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WNBA’s Brittney Griner’s 9-Year Prison Sentence Upheld In Russian Appeals Court as Biden's foreign policy disaster continues · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: W NBA star Britney Griner has now become a State
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Department and the President's nightmare. Why because a nine year
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  Speaker 1: prison sentence has just been upheld in a Russian appeals court.
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  Speaker 1: This is no longer about NBA or the w NBA
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  Speaker 1: or her as a player. This is now a big
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  Speaker 1: problem for the State Department and our president. How do
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  Speaker 1: we get her back? I agree with many who have
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  Speaker 1: said the only way to get her back is a
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  Speaker 1: prisoner swap. Bill Richardson said this on CNN, as you
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  Speaker 1: have with other Americans detained abroad, you are currently talking
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  Speaker 1: with the Russians to try and help the US government
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  Speaker 1: secure Britney Griner's release. The Russians confirmed for the first
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  Speaker 1: time today that they are negotiating. For what that's worth.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think a prisoner swap is the only way
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  Speaker 1: to get this done? Yes? I do think so, because
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  Speaker 1: this is an issue that this is how the Russians negotiate.
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  Speaker 1: Now that the court system is over with Brittany Griner
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  Speaker 1: and has been over with Paul Wheeland, let's not forget him.
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  Speaker 1: The American Marine, then the Russians and other countries that
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  Speaker 1: I've dealt with, say, okay, the court process is over,
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  Speaker 1: we're ready to negotiate. I think the President and his
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  Speaker 1: team have been very upfront and good and said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we want to get in return. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't do it directly with the boot, but it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: obvious for Griner and for Wheeling. So now the real
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  Speaker 1: negotiating through the government channel starts. I mean, I'm helping,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not the official government channel. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 1: to replace anybody, but I too talked to both sides.
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of the Russians. I do talk
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  Speaker 1: to the administration, to the White House. I try to
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  Speaker 1: push the process along. But my foundation works for the families.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, the families asked us to get involved,
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  Speaker 1: Brittany Griner's family, Paul Wheeland's family, and we were involved
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  Speaker 1: in Trevor Read the American marine who two months ago
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  Speaker 1: got out for Russia named Yerushenko. The President had to
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  Speaker 1: approve that, and I'm giving him the credit for that.
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  Speaker 1: But we did help with a trip to Russia right
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  Speaker 1: before it happened. So we are involved in this. But
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  Speaker 1: I think the prospects are reasonably good. Non instantaneous that
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  Speaker 1: a swap WO happened, but yes, I don't see how
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  Speaker 1: El said anything will happen other than a prisoners swap.
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  Speaker 1: They're unseemly, they don't look good, but we have to
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  Speaker 1: do them to bring our American hostages back. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not just Reiner and Wheeland that are in Russia. There's
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  Speaker 1: a POW in Ukraine. There's three other detainees. The families
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  Speaker 1: have contacted us. So this is not over. But yes,
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  Speaker 1: it is going to be a prisoner swap. I think
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  Speaker 1: it'll be two for two. That's my prediction. I think
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  Speaker 1: it'll be two for two now, Bill Richardson, I don't
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  Speaker 1: disagree with pretty much anything he said here. The question
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  Speaker 1: is do you swap for Brittany Grinder. Now, before I
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  Speaker 1: background of Brittany so you understand how we even got
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  Speaker 1: to this point of this being such a such a
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  Speaker 1: diplomatic nightmare for this presidency. Number one, Brittany Griner is
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  Speaker 1: an individual that is not a big fan of the
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  Speaker 1: United States of America. She's a individual that said the
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  Speaker 1: national anthem should not be played before w NBA game.
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  Speaker 1: She was a Black Lives Matter advocate, the kneeling and
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  Speaker 1: all that, and ashamed of the United States of America.
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  Speaker 1: Does that mean we shouldn't fight to get her back. No,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't. I want to make that clear because when
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  Speaker 1: you're an American citizen and you are being used for
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  Speaker 1: leverage by Russians, because you're an American, we should fight,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of what you have said, in my opinion, to
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  Speaker 1: get you back. Do I think that we should trade
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  Speaker 1: a high level rush for her? Let me also say no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. Is it if it's somebody to put our
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  Speaker 1: national security at risk, should we give them that person? No,
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  Speaker 1: because then he gives an incentive for more Americans to
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  Speaker 1: be held hostage in Russia. Now w NBA star Britney Grinder,
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  Speaker 1: I also want to make this clear. I do feel
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  Speaker 1: sorry for the nine year prison sentence that was upheld
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  Speaker 1: in this Moscow Regional Court hearing. We all know it's
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  Speaker 1: kangaroo court. We all know it's a joke. This Phoenix
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  Speaker 1: Mercury w NBA Center and her legal team had hope
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  Speaker 1: for an acquittal or reduction sentence that they believe was
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  Speaker 1: too severe and quote politically motivated. Of course it was
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  Speaker 1: politically motivated. Of course it was too severe. That's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what the Russians did because they want to hold her hostage,
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  Speaker 1: which is exactly what Bill Richson said a moment ago,
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  Speaker 1: no Judge Hannah Heart will honestly say that Grinder's nine
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  Speaker 1: year sentence is in line with Russian criminal law. That's
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  Speaker 1: what one of Grinder's lawyers said, according to Reuters. He added,
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  Speaker 1: if the court wants to punish her, it should give
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  Speaker 1: her a new fair verdict and mitigate the punishment. The
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  Speaker 1: severity and cruel the other sentence applied to shocks people
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  Speaker 1: around the world. By the way, the Russians don't give
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  Speaker 1: a crap about shocking people around the world. Her arrest
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  Speaker 1: again occurred just four days before Russian invaded Ukraine in February,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that this would give them leverage. She has now
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  Speaker 1: been held for eight months. I hate that for her
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  Speaker 1: in general. The six foot nine in center was sentence
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  Speaker 1: in August, receiving just under the tenure maximum sentence for
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  Speaker 1: the drugs. She said at the time quote, I never
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  Speaker 1: meant to hurt anybody. I never meant to put in
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  Speaker 1: jeopardy the Russian population. I never meant to break any
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  Speaker 1: laws here, Grinder said ahead of the verdict, I made
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  Speaker 1: an honest mistake and I hope that in your ruling
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  Speaker 1: that it doesn't end my life here. I know everybody
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  Speaker 1: keeps talking about political pawn and politics. My hope that
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  Speaker 1: that is far from this courtroom. Now, a growing number
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  Speaker 1: of Americans have now called on the Biden administration to
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  Speaker 1: get their act together to do more to secure Grinder's release.
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  Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets NBA star Kyrie Irving took to the microphone
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  Speaker 1: at the mid court before his team's season opener to
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  Speaker 1: call and present Joe Biden to bring Brittany Grinder home.
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  Speaker 1: Just so you know, these types of things do not help.
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  Speaker 1: They only make her value go up like a stock
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  Speaker 1: in Russia's prison system. That's one of the things I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand about many on the left who have been
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  Speaker 1: trying to bring more attention to Grinder, and all it
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  Speaker 1: does is make her more valuable to the Russians. This
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  Speaker 1: stuff is going to be done behind closed doors in quiet.
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  Speaker 1: The faster we act like we're moving on with our lives,
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  Speaker 1: the better off we're going to be. That's one thing
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  Speaker 1: I actually agree with the State Department on. But a
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  Speaker 1: growing number of American lefties have called for the Biden
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  Speaker 1: administration to do more. I appreciate, appreciate us being able
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  Speaker 1: to share this floor together, all of us as brothers.
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  Speaker 1: But the big picture that's going on in the world
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  Speaker 1: is free our sister, Britney Grinder. Please, Irving shared with
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  Speaker 1: the home crowd potus do your job, everybody, do your job.
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  Speaker 1: Bring home, Please bring our sister home. We wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: doing our jobs to the best our ability if we
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  Speaker 1: didn't stand for what we believe in, he added. Many
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  Speaker 1: across the w NBA have also expressed support for Grinder
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  Speaker 1: last Tuesday, on our thirty second birthday, many of them
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  Speaker 1: posting birthday messages saying Happy birthday, Britney Grinder. We will
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  Speaker 1: not forget about you, and we will not stop fighting
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  Speaker 1: for you. The w referring to the w NBA won't
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  Speaker 1: be the same until your home. That's where the league's
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  Speaker 1: Twitter account posted again, this is not necessarily a smart
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  Speaker 1: move because all it does is raise the value Britney
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  Speaker 1: Grinder's life. This is what I don't understand. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: by these local lefties right, the same people that we're
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  Speaker 1: saying they want to get rid of the national anthem
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  Speaker 1: are now demanding that the country that they were ashamed
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  Speaker 1: of step up and save their friend. Wake up, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we are the greatest country in the world. And that's
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  Speaker 1: part of the reason why they took Grinder, because they
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  Speaker 1: knew we'd become weak under the woke liberal lefties, including
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  Speaker 1: the President Knit States America that you're now demanding that
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  Speaker 1: he'd do his job. The Biden administration had previously attempted
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  Speaker 1: a prisoner swap involving the Merchant of Death arms dealer
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  Speaker 1: Victor Bout for Grinder an American Paul Wheland. The attempts
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  Speaker 1: have so far proven unsuccessful. Now the Merchant of Death,
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  Speaker 1: and this is my problem, is not the equivalent of
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  Speaker 1: Brittany Grinder. They have not responded to our offer. We
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  Speaker 1: have made a serious offer to get Britney Grinder and
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  Speaker 1: Paul Wheeland back home. The Russians have not responded to
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  Speaker 1: that offer. But that doesn't mean that we're not still
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  Speaker 1: in negotiations and we're not still trying, is what the
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  Speaker 1: White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby said in
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  Speaker 1: a statement. Now, if there's anything we should learn from
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  Speaker 1: all of this, it's this number one, don't go to
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  Speaker 1: countries like Russia. And there's some people saying, well, she
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  Speaker 1: had no choice, that's a lie. They say, well, the
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  Speaker 1: w NBA doesn't pay players enough so Britney Grinder was
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  Speaker 1: forced to play in Russia to make enough money to survive.
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  Speaker 1: That's also lie. She has great endorsement deals and she
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  Speaker 1: was doing just fine financially. The problem when you take
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  Speaker 1: money from the devil, which in this case is Russia,
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  Speaker 1: you play by the devil's rules. Britney Grinder knew because
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  Speaker 1: they'd all been briefed on what two and what not
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  Speaker 1: to do in Russia, including that screwing around with stuff
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  Speaker 1: like this drugs, the oil right, the THHC. These are
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  Speaker 1: the things that she should have never have even thought
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  Speaker 1: about taking with her or using in Russia. The Russians
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  Speaker 1: are going to watch you the entire time you're there.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to bug your phones, they're going to break
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  Speaker 1: into your hotel room. They're going to put cameras in
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  Speaker 1: your hotel room. They are going to monitor you twenty
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  Speaker 1: four seven. That's what they do in Russia. It's very normal.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they tell you to take an airlock computer
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  Speaker 1: and take a different cell phone the one you want
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  Speaker 1: to use and get back to America because it will
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  Speaker 1: be hacked and they will be watching and following you
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  Speaker 1: the entire time that you are there. They will never
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  Speaker 1: stop watching you. Now, Kirby said, We've made a serious proposal,
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  Speaker 1: and the question is are we giving up too much
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  Speaker 1: for an American that made a mistake. I would argue
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  Speaker 1: by even going to Russia to play and putting herself
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  Speaker 1: ahead of her country in that decision, finance is ahead
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  Speaker 1: of her safety and also breaking the rules while there.
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  Speaker 1: what Kirby had to say about all of this, because
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  Speaker 1: this is all obviously being done under the shadow of
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  Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine. We have the mass graves that
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: have just been found the last forty eight hours. We
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  Speaker 1: have the torture chambers that they have found in the
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  Speaker 1: last forty eight hours that were being used by Russian
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  Speaker 1: troops and the Ukrainian people. And if you put that
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  Speaker 1: into perspective of what's happening over there compared to Britney Grinder,
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  Speaker 1: part of you has to say, well, at least she's
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  Speaker 1: safe in these jails in a sense, and we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: pictures of her often take a listen to what Kirby
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  Speaker 1: had to say on Grinder's possible return and a prisoner swap.
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  Speaker 1: And with respect to Brittany Grinder, I mean, we have
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  Speaker 1: laid down a serious proposal weeks ago and we are
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  Speaker 1: still waiting on the Russia Russians to act on that.
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  Speaker 1: We have made very clear and publicly so, which is
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  Speaker 1: an unusual step. How much you're interested in furthering negotiations?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry interrupted, I just want to pick on the pick
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  Speaker 1: up on the Grinder thread. Do you still feel like
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: you're operating from a position of strength there now so
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: many you said, this deal's been on the table for
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  Speaker 1: multiple weeks and still nothing's come to fruition. Well, the
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  Speaker 1: fact that nothing's come to fruition is on the Russians,
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  Speaker 1: it's not on the American side. We have made a
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  Speaker 1: serious proposal. We're working on this very very hard, and
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  Speaker 1: as far as we're concerned, negotiations will continue. We've made
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  Speaker 1: it clear that we have an offer that we want
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  Speaker 1: the Russians to take seriously. We want Brittany and Paul
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  Speaker 1: home and again we're willing to keep talking to the
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  Speaker 1: Russians about that. How do you assess the chances of
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  Speaker 1: success there. It's hard. It's really hard to say here
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  Speaker 1: as you and I are talking, Jillian, to give you
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  Speaker 1: a percentage. What I can tell you is we're absolutely
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  Speaker 1: devoted and dedicated to the task of finding a way
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  Speaker 1: to being Brittany and Paul home back to their families,
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  Speaker 1: their friends, her teammates, and we're willing to keep in
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  Speaker 1: this discussion with the Russians, but it's got to be
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  Speaker 1: a two way street. They got to be willing to
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  Speaker 1: sit down and talk as well, and we hope that
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  Speaker 1: given Minister Lavrov's comments today out in the Pacific region
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  Speaker 1: where he said he was open to furthering these discussions,
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  Speaker 1: we take that as a positive sign. We hope they're
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  Speaker 1: sincere about that so we can actually affect this outcome.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of a bummer though, right that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they waited to respond to the State Department's offer until
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  Speaker 1: after Griner had already been sentenced to near about the
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: maximum prison time she was facing. Right Well, nobody wanted
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  Speaker 1: to see that trial proceed, and certainly nobody wanted to
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  Speaker 1: see her sentenced for the crime she didn't deserve to
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  Speaker 1: be convicted of. I'll let the Russians speak for their
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: timeline and their actions. As I said, we made this
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  Speaker 1: proposal weeks ago, well before her trial began, because we
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: want to get her home now. Now, If this trial,
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  Speaker 1: as I said yesterday, if this trial and this sentencing
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  Speaker 1: somehow and some form of their logic freeze them up
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  Speaker 1: to negotiate more sincerely than so be it. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get down to the table and let's figure this out.
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  Speaker 1: Let's figure this out. This is part of the delusion
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  Speaker 1: aspect of all this by I think this White House.
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  Speaker 1: The Russians have no reason to want to figure this out.
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  Speaker 1: The more we become obsessed, the more the media becomes obsessed,
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  Speaker 1: the more the liberals become obsessed with this, with this
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  Speaker 1: story with Britney Griner, the more valuable she is. And it's,
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  Speaker 1: if nothing else, just the middle finger to the United
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  Speaker 1: States of America from a country that loves giving the
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  Speaker 1: finger to the United States of America. That's what this
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  Speaker 1: is for them. And if we're smart, we just shut
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  Speaker 1: up about Britney Griner. That's why I haven't talked about
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  Speaker 1: her much. With this new sentence. Everybody's talking about her today,
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  Speaker 1: and that's fine, we'll talk about her today. But that's it.
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  Speaker 1: And if the Left wants to help Britney Grinder, don't
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  Speaker 1: go to center court in an NBA game and demand
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  Speaker 1: that Britney Grinder b let go. You may think that
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: you can fix this problem on a keyboard on Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Instagram, right on Facebook, and you cannot. This
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  Speaker 1: is not going to be fixed through some hashtag Brittany campaign. Okay,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that will not happen. And the sooner that they understand
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  Speaker 1: this and realize that we have to at least act
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  Speaker 1: like we've moved on past Brittany, the better the chances
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  Speaker 1: are that they will then say, all right, find screw it,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: let's do the prisoner squad because this arms dealer that
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: is very close to Russia. We want to get him
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  Speaker 1: back at some point too. But right now the deal
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  Speaker 1: is just too good. NBC News Big headline, Right now.
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  Speaker 1: Russian court denies Britney Griner's appeal of nine year prison
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  Speaker 1: sentence the w NBA Star War sentence after rush An
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  Speaker 1: authority said she had vape cannisters with cannabis oil in
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  Speaker 1: her luggage. A Russian court denied her appeal and upheld
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  Speaker 1: that that charged nine year sentence on drug charges. Grinder
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  Speaker 1: thirty two, looked sponded as she appeared at the hearing
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  Speaker 1: in the Moscow Regional Court via video conference from the
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  Speaker 1: detention center where she's been held since her rest in February.
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  Speaker 1: The athlete is now expected to be moved to a
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  Speaker 1: penal colony. Grinder's conviction in August was decried by the
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  Speaker 1: United States, which is said the athletes is being wrong
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  Speaker 1: fleet detained. I agree with that the denial of her
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: appeal was we'll see hopes of Grinder's release shift to
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the potential for a high profile prisoner swap. And no
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: one should be shocked by what just happened, and that
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  Speaker 1: maybe is the most important part of the show today.
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  Speaker 1: Understand that this is exactly what you should have expected,
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  Speaker 1: and this administration should have expected, and the Left needs
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  Speaker 1: to get their heads out of the eard and understand
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  Speaker 1: how Russia works. In a statement right out in court, Grinder,
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  Speaker 1: a two time Olympic gold medalist who plays for the
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  Speaker 1: Phoenix Mercury, said she did not intend to do this.
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  Speaker 1: How do you and this is part of what I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand. How do you claim that you don't intend
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  Speaker 1: to do something when clearly you did intend to do
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  Speaker 1: something right, I didn't intend to do it. Well, you're
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  Speaker 1: the one that brought this with you, and you were
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  Speaker 1: warned not to screw with Russia, not to give them
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  Speaker 1: a reason, not to give them a single reason to say, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: I'll do this. Right. That was the whole point here.
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  Speaker 1: Don't give them a reason to stop you, don't give
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  Speaker 1: them a reason to arrest you. And every athlete that
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  Speaker 1: goes to Russia who takes this risk knows that. Folks,
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  Speaker 1: they all know it. They're not stupid. Yet here we
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  Speaker 1: are having this exact conversation right now, which drives me
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  Speaker 1: totally insane. Wake up and understand how the world works.
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  Speaker 1: She said she hoped it would be taken into account
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  Speaker 1: that she did plead guilty in the case. The athlete
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: said she hope the court would adjust her sentence. The
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  Speaker 1: w NBA star had been quite pessimistic about the outcome
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  Speaker 1: of the appeal ahead of the hearing of One of
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  Speaker 1: her attorneys said Grinder had held hope that there would
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  Speaker 1: be a reduction to her sentence, but did not believe
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: the verdict would be overruled. Everybody's like, well, she's a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: two time Olympic gold medalist who plays for the Phoenix Mercury.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: She's famous. We should go get her. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: we should treat her any differently than any other American
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  Speaker 1: that did something this dumb in Russia. And does that
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  Speaker 1: mean that we give up a guy who has done
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more damage and destruction to
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the world and she's done. I mean, let's let's just
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  Speaker 1: be real honest. I don't think that you go over
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: there and do a bad deal and this administration is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: sitting there and they're like, oh my gosh, what do
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: we do? I don't know what to do. What do
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: we do right? How do we how do we do this?
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I think what we do now is shut up. The
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  Speaker 1: deal's on the table. Leave it alone. Joe Biden, he
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  Speaker 1: did say this about Britney Griner at the White House.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hopeful we're working hard. Can you give us a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: comment on Britney Griner. I'm hopeful we're working hard. I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't even say that that doesn't help. I would just
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  Speaker 1: say the State Department is doing what they need to do.
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  Speaker 1: Leave it alone. Don't say I'm hopeful, because in the
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Russians laugh in your face. Anything that they can say
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  Speaker 1: to take away a victory from this White House and
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to embarrass this White House. And part of this goes
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: down to an issue of weakness. They're embarrassing this present
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  Speaker 1: and they're doing something they never would have done if
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump was still in office. Brittany Grinder would not
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: have been taken if Donald Trump was still the present
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: because they would have known that Donald Trump would have
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: actually responded. That's the problem. We have a weak present
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: that's getting screwed with. He gets lost on stage and
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: has to have the Easter Bunny bring him back to reality.
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  Speaker 1: another really important story, and this could be for the
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  Speaker 1: control of the United States Senate, whether it goes to
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Republicans of the Democrats. There is a race that I'm
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: very concerned about in Utah and it's a race that
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: could decide if Democrats control the Senate or not. There
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is a guy who ran for president by the name
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  Speaker 1: of Evan McMullan. He is the candidate from the deep state,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: from the swamp, from the corruption, from the Peter Struck
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: error who is running to beat Mike Lee, and he's
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: running on behalf of the deep state and the powerful
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: interest to do that. Now what they're doing, and Mike
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Lean needs our help. So if you have family or
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: friends in Utah, you need to tell them what's going on.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Number one, and number two, if you can help Mike
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Lee with fundraising. He desperately needs our support because this
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: could be literally the control of the Senate and the
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: race that this comes down to. Now, Evan McMullan and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: the Democrats were very smart. They know that a Democrat
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: was not going to get elected and Utah. Evan McMullan
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is a guy that can say, hey, I was once
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a Republican and now I'm quoting independent and that's how
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they're running him. Now, Utah elections are different than the
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: rest of the country. They have state a convention and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: all this other stuff they do on the front end.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It's very different than the traditional way that we get
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: elect people in this country. But they've figured out how
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: to basically exist in a state and give a guy
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a chance to win by claiming as an independent when
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: in reality he's clearly a Democrat. There's an article that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: was written by Ben Dominich, who has put together kind
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: of the history of this guy, and I want to
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: read part of it for you. Many Republican observers of
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: the Utah Senate race haven't noted that Evan mcmullan's obviously
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: false claims at anything approaching ideological conservatism. But it strikes
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: me that this is the wrong understanding of the bald
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Mormon CIA agent who seeks to unseat constitutional conservative center
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Mike Lee. McMullan is more properly understood as a deep
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: state plant who represent the in interests of the likes
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of Peter Struck if elected by voters, apparently unaware of
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: his completely fictionalized position. Matrix I interviewed McMullan when he
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was running against Donald Trump as a quote principled conservative
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: hoping to twist Utah into the Democratic column and drive
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen presidential stakes into the Congress. Bill Crystal
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: had a lot of crazy ideas about this. Back in
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: the day, people deal with grief and loss in different ways,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the author writes in parentheses. Now, at the time, McMullan
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: claimed to be a tried and true conservative on abortion,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: on guns, federalism, taxes, you name it. He took the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: position of eighty to ninety percent of conservative voters on
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: every question. It was well rehearsed, but it was obviously rehearsed.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Dig any deeper and you can tell the man was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: reciting lines instead of telling the truth. Mcmolan ultimately failed
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in his endeavor. He still owes more than half a
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: million in debt for that extremely silly campaign for president.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: But he didn't stop there. He then tried to integrate
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: himself to the American resistance quote unquote the resistance right
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: hashtag resistance. In every aspect, he now spews the talking
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: points of Crystal's Bulwark publication, creating a veneer of cliche
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Republicanism that seems more at home on the broadcast TV dramas.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: What is mcmollan lying about that he's a Straussian or
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: that he's any good at it? Since his embarrassing, costly
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and fanciful attempt to block Donald Trump in twenty sixteen,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: the libertarian Kennet did six times better. McMullan has since
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  Speaker 1: found fit to do what is necessary to achieve a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: shot at a Senate seat in Utah. This includes rejiggering
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  Speaker 1: his poll tested talking points, literally marrying a woman with
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: kids from a prior marriage, and sucking up to the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: mit Romney machine, which mit once Mike Lee gone, but
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: without their fingerprints on any of it, because they can't
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: stand him. And as you know, Mitt Romney's the other
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: center from Utah. Just to remind you of that, there
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is something deeply odd about the way in which the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: least serious members of the media seemed so eager to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: embrace the hairless men with obviously false slogans as champions
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: against Trump and Trump is m whether Michael Avanati or
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Evan McMullan, such men can never be trusted. But what's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: perhaps more disturbing about a Utah voter even considering a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: vote from Mullin Overlea, is that the former's entire history
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: is of loyalty to the deep State and all its work.
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  Speaker 1: He will be immediately distrusted if sent to the Senate
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: sideline from conferences. Incapable of working for committees or moving legislation,
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  Speaker 1: he exists merely to remove Mike Lee, which is apparently
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: something certain people want. Obviously, Ben is referring to the
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: deep State. He goes on to say Utah might as
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: well elect Peter Struck to the Senate and cut out
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the middleman. If you're going to be a demonstration of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: failure of the American deep state, you should own it
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to the hilt. Now, this article is one I would
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: tell you, and I put it out on Twitter, that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you need to share on social media. It's an article
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: that every person in Utah needs to read, especially if
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you're trying to side between this scumbag on the left
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: who's acting like a Republican, Evan McMullen, and Mike Lee.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Mike Lee is this is a way tighter race than
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it should ever have been. Now, I hope that some
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of the pollsters are just flat out wrong. Their concerned
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: that Mike Lee genuinely could lose this race. And part
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: of this, now I wouldn't say part of it, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: would say all of it comes down to Mitt Romney.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Mitt Romney's team has had their hands all up in
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the McMullan race. They wanted McMullan, they've helped McMullan, they
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: recruited McMullan, they redesigned McMullan, and they did it because
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: they couldn't stand that Mike Lee was a principal conservative
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: who supported defended him back to Donald Trump. They can't
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: stand that he's dear friends with someone like, for example,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Ted Cruz. They can't stand the fact that he actually
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: will do the right thing and that he hasn't gone
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: along with Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney also believes that he
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: is the dictator and the tyrant of the state of Utah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And when you have a guy like Mike Lee that
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't stand behind you but goes out and does his
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: own thing, well, then that's obviously a threat to Mitt Romney.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And Mitt Romney is now wanting him to pay. Mitt
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Romney has got his hands in all of this. Now,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: if you like Mitt Romney, then please vote for McMullen.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But if you can't stand Mit Romney, because it's a
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: hardcore lefty now, and that's what he is. So let's
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: not act like he's anything but that he is a
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: hard core lefty. Okay, I'm gonna say it again. He's
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a hardcore lefty. He's an anti Trump person. He hates
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: every person that voted for Donald Trump. He was in
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: favor of impeaching the president of the United States America,
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and he's in favor of allowing Hunter and James and
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden to get away with all of their corruption.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That is exactly why now he has decided to do this,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to go after somebody in his own party to get
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: rid of them. Now. This also, and again, the reason
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: why Romney's campaign doesn't want you to know what they've
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: been doing, right or his team, is because they can't
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: publicly come out and say, Hey, as a Republican, I'm
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: going to back a guy that's a liberal Democrat at
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: masquerading as an independent. But that's exactly what they have
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: been doing behind the scenes. This is their entire objective.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: We also know one other thing. mLAN has said he
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: will not caucus with the Republicans or the Democrats, meaning
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that if it comes down to basically the equivalent of
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a tie, he will not support the Republicans, and that
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: means by default he will support the Democrats retaining control
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: of the Senate. Do I believe that it could come
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: down to this race? Yes, That's why I'm putting it
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: on everybody's radar screen. People ask me all the time, like, hey,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: who needs my help? Where can I help? Well, this
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: race in Utah is a place and a race that
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you need to get involved in if you can give money.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And I mean rarely have I said give money to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: a certain candidate, but I will one hundred percent say this.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: If you can get to Muckley's campaign, do it. But
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: even if you can't, then at least take the article
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that I just shared and I just read to you
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and put it out there on every social media account
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: that you have and address it to the people of Utah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Tell people, if you know anybody in Utah, send them
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: this article. The other thing is you can grab the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: podcast and you can share it. If you have family
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: or friends in Utah, share it with them. Because if
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: we lose the Senate because of this race, because of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: this deep Stater, and make no mistake, he will not
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: serve on these committees. He will be an outsider because
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: everybody knows he's a spy for the deep State. And
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that's exactly, by the way, why I met Romney wants
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: him there. Okay, I'm just telling you right now, this
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: is a hundred percent why this is happening. All right,
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• 33:59
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