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Allegations Rock Daystar Christian TV: Child Abuse Claims, Power Struggles, and Investigations · The Lila Rose Show

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Hello guys. Hello, welcome back to the Lila
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Rose show. We are going live on YouTube
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today to talk about some big stories that are out today and
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just in the last few days. First of all, allegations that
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are rocking one of the biggest religious broadcasting groups in
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the world, day star Christian TV, allegations of sexual abuse
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cover up and more. There's a lot to unpack here.
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I have been following the story over the last week closely and
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I'll explain why I think it matters and unpack some of that
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today. Also, there are oral arguments
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that were heard today in the landmark Supreme Court case
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United States V. Scarametti, which is a pending
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US Supreme Court case on whether bans on gender affirming care is
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what the media is reporting it As for transgender minors
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violate the equal protection cause of the 14th Amendment.
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Basically, the debate is about whether or not it should be
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legal. It's OK for young people to be
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given things like double mastectomies and other forms of
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bodily mutilation, puberty blockers because they suffer
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from gender dysphoria, and whether it is OK for states to
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ban doctors from doing this. Of course, you know where I
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stand on that. We've covered this on the show
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before, but a lot to talk about. All very important stuff and
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obviously heavy topics, but these things matter.
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That's where we are covering them.
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I'm also going to be keeping an eye on the chat over here on
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YouTube. Hello, John Henry, thanks for
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joining. Thanks for being on the show
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here. Hello, Light of Faith, she's
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saying. I'm so sad for Susie.
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Susie is one of the people caught up in the Daystar scandal
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that's has erupted and we're going to talk about that in a
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few minutes. Hi, Debbie, thanks for joining.
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OK, so I will keep keep an eye on the chat as we go.
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Let's start with the Supreme Court and just talk about this
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briefly because oral arguments were heard.
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Here's the headline from CNN says takeaways from the historic
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transgender care arguments. Now I just have to say this
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because it's insane. The media loves to talk about
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double mastectomies, removing healthy breasts from children,
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and literal castration of minors as transgender care.
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This is what the media does. This is a case in point right
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here from CNN of how the media likes to talk about doing very
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harmful things to children in the name of healthcare.
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Of course, I am no stranger to this.
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We criticize abortion all the time in the the show being
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called healthcare by the mainstream media.
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Here they are doing it again on these transgender treatments.
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As they say, really what it is is bodily mutilation of young
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children. Here is the Fox News headline.
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It's a little more, I think, closer to the truth.
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But again, it has its issues. It says Sotomayor compares trans
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medical treatments to aspirin in question about side effects
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during oral arguments. So as you know, Justice
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Sotomayor is very far left in support of transing children if
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that's what the parents want. And they say the kid decides.
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And even here Fox News is calling it trans medical
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treatments, at least it puts it in parentheses here as if it
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might not be the actual medical treatment.
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But Sotomayor is saying that this is just like giving your
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kid an aspirin, that if you give your child puberty blockers,
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which by the way, could lead to lifelong infertility, mood
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disorders, other problems for the child, it's just like giving
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the child an aspirin. So I hope that the Supreme Court
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does the right thing here. I think the read my read on it
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is as the some of the more conservative justices made very
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good arguments about the health risks to children of these
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supposed transgender treatments. And I think absolutely not only
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should states have the right to ban doing this to young
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children, to minors, but that states should be banning this
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treatment of minors. And what we need to be doing is
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addressing the underlying condition that a kid may have
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with gender dysphoria and addressing that as opposed to
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harming their bodies bodies because they're suffering with
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this mentally. All right, that being said,
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let's go next to the scandal over at Daystar.
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This caught my eye last week, guys, because I am, first of
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all, very in the world of media, as you guys know, I am paying
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attention to what's happening in the media world.
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I care about the media world. I think that people in with face
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with a faith need to be out there in media doing stuff.
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So Daystar TVI, Full disclosure, I've been out to Texas where
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their headquarters are. This was a few years ago when I
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was going on my book tour for Fighting for Life and I went to
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Daystar. I met Joni, I met Jonathan and
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Susie, which is the son of and daughter-in-law of Joni that is
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at odds now with Joni. They all seem like very kind
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people and I was, I remember really being surprised at the
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incredible infrastructure that Daystar had built up.
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There are some reports that this is a hundreds of millions of
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dollar worth company now that is broadcasting.
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I mean, it's an older media model, but it's broadcasting to
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many, many people. As you all know, EW 10 help
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sponsor the Lila Rose Show. EW 10 is the largest religious
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broadcaster in the world. So I understand the value of
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these companies and these nonprofits to do this kind of
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work to reach people with media content that they believe in,
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the gospel, other things. So of course, it's all the more
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heartbreaking when there is a scandal and when that scandal
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involves something as horrific as child sexual abuse,
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allegedly, as well as a family feud, which is looking like what
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is going on here. One other thing I need to say
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too, though, is I came into learning about this via, you
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know, news reports that kind of started circulating late last
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week, but with the eye of an investigative reporter because I
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spent a decade investigating Planned Parenthood for child
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sexual abuse cover up. I care a lot about the evil and
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exposing the evil of child sexual abuse cover up.
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So when I saw this story, it caught my eye and I wanted to
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deep dive it because it had it was this cross section of things
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that I care about faith-based media, family working in faith
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face media together, people that I've met before.
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And then of course, the horrific allegations of child sexual
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abuse and the fact that it may have been covered up by an
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entity and groups that should have been protecting those
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OK so let's break down the story that is emerging from Daystar
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and from those that are. There was recently something
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called the Roy's Report which is a investigative reporter who
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tries to look at the corruption that may exist in faith-based
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the faith-based world and try to expose different evils.
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And apparently Susie and Jonathan Lamb who worked for
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Daystar. Jonathan Lamb is the son of Joni
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Lamb, went to the Roy's Report with this story that the Roy's
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report, did their due diligence on it and decided that this was
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something that they wanted to cover.
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Julie Roy's is the reporter and launched this bombshell report.
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I think it was just last week. Since then there has been a lot
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of back and forth responses from Daystar from Joni Lamb, from
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those that defend her, and then more videos and responses to
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that from Jonathan and Susie Lamb.
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So what I want to start here with is a video from Joni Lamb
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that just came out last night. Some of the latest comments that
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she has about the case. Now a little bit more background
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on Joni. Joni serves right now as the
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president of Daystar. Her late husband Marcus Lamb
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died during COVID and since then she has remarried and she now Co
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hosts one of their flagship shows with her new husband.
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One of the allegations against Joni is that she married someone
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who had a divorce in their past and that was supposedly the
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reason for some of the rift that Jonathan, Susie is saying,
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started to happen between themselves and the network.
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Jonathan not approving of the marriage.
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There's a lot of back and forth on that.
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But the core disagreement it seems, is that Jonathan and
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Susie are saying that their daughter, their young daughter,
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was allegedly molested by a closely associated employee of
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Daystar TV as well as a family member, and they are accusing
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Joni of covering up this molestation.
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They're also claiming that there is a culture of spiritual
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bullying and intimidation at Daystar.
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And they are also saying that they were demoted from their
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jobs. Jonathan specifically was
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demoted from his job as a host at Daystar and instead he was
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ultimately fired because he refused to sign an NDA.
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Now Joni is saying that this is a totally false smear campaign
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against her and the network and saying that Jonathan is
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inventing some of these charges because he was disappointed by
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the fact that he was not chosen to be the head and the president
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of Daystar after his father passed away during COVID.
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And that Joni says that Jonathan is also disappointed about the
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marriage, her marriage to Doug, her new husband.
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So this is their fundamental, some other fundamental
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disagreements. Let's take a listen to Joni's
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statement about why her son was fired from the network.
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Let's start there. Was another incident written
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about? That was an incident that
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happened at our family retreat. This was in 2021.
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We were all staying in this in this house together.
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And again, we do that once a year.
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And my two older grandchildren were staying in an upstairs
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bedroom and it was a long room and there was a bunk bed on one
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side and there was another bunk bed on the other side.
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And so my grandson was talking about that.
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He had the city view and he was saying his sister had the beach
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view. And so one afternoon he was
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talking about that and who they call Pete was in the room
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holding a one year old baby boy. OK.
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And so Pete says, oh, so you've got the city view.
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And everybody was talking about, well, I'd rather have the beach
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view and, and, and my grandson saying, no, I like the city
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view. And Pete said, well, I like the
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city view too. And so and he said, I want to
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see your city view. So they went up the stairs.
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The grandson, let's pause it really quick.
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I want to properly contextualize this.
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I'm sorry. So I said we were talking about
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why she fired Jonathan. This is actually more core.
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And so we're starting with this. We're playing the clip about
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Joni Lamb is explaining the core accusation that was made against
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this associated employees. That's family member that
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they're calling Pete is that he was alone at the beach house in
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the room with the young daughter of Susie and John Jonathan.
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So they're claiming that this was part of what was covered up
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by Joni Lamb. Joni Lamb is here now explaining
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what actually happened in her view.
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This is what she's saying happened instead and she's
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saying that this associated employee family member again
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called Pete actually went up into this bedroom at the beach
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house that the whole family was at the extended family was at
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and that Pete was holding an infant in his arms and was there
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with a another one of the cousins and that he was in no
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way harming or molesting the the young girl.
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In fact, that it was a misunderstanding and that's her
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explanation of what took place. Now, this is a different story
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from what Jonathan and Susie are saying.
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So let's go now to what Jonathan and Susie have to say about what
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happened at the beach house. When I walked up there and I saw
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Pete up there with my daughter, I was horrified.
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The first thing I started doing was screaming.
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What are you doing? Like obviously, since he his
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hands weren't on my daughter, he wasn't in the act, He was just
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in the room with her. I wasn't at that time about to
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like put hands on him or beat him up.
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But obviously I was horrified and I was just shouting him
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down. And that led to him multiple
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times, probably 50 times saying, Oh, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry,
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I'm so sorry. So again, it felt like I caught
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him red handed and doing something that he shouldn't have
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done. And as evidenced by the fact
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that Susie saw him follow up my daughter after she had told her
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to change it to her swimsuit. Well.
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So there's intent. Well, I'll add this to complete
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your answer first. If that man's hands were on our
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child's body, that man would have been leaving that house in
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handcuffs. The police would have been
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called when I saw Jonathan, because Jonathan and this man,
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they came down the stairs from my children's room.
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I guess Jonathan made him come downstairs.
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When I saw Jonathan, we've been married at that point.
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How many years? 10 years, 10 years.
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I had never in my 10 years ever seen Jonathan look like this.
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It was honestly terrifying. His eyes were bloody red.
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His face was blood red. He was screaming so
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aggressively. And that man who is, you know,
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taller than Jonathan and and much more smooth.
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He was shaking like a leaf. Part of my anger, which I've
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expressed to other journalists, is that that man was so
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vulnerable. I felt like he was.
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On the verge of confessing. If he had not been protected, he
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couldn't speak up for himself. I I'm going to leave that there.
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It seemed that way to me, that's how.
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It all right so we can pause it here.
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They go on to obviously continue to share their side of the story
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but if you go back now to Jonny Lam's clip, she's saying that
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the circumstances of what happened at this beach house,
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the date was August 2021. They have different versions of
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what happened, both Jonny Lam and Jonathan and then Susie.
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I think we'll probably be hearing from Jonathan.
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Susie, I'm going to guess in the coming days about a response to
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what Joni Lamb had to say just yesterday, claiming that there
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were other people in the room, that the man that was supposedly
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the molester was holding a baby, his own child, as well as up
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there with another cousin. Again, it's hard to know because
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the the story is evolving right now.
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But here are some other facts that have emerged in the last
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week to be aware of. So there is also competing
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accounts of Jonathan's firing from Daystar.
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So as I said earlier, Jonathan had been working as a host at
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Daystar. His father passed away, Joni
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Lam's husband, he was then Co hosting with Joni.
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She remarries, she gets a new Co host, Doug, her new husband.
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And now Jonathan ends up getting demoted.
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And one of the reasons that Jonathan was demoted was because
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he didn't like Joni's new arrangement with her new husband
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as as the Co host and didn't want to be reading positive
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comments on air about this new husband.
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So let's take a listen to Joni's statement about why her son was
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fired, and then Jonathan's statement about why he was
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fired. Let's start with Joni's.
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Hello everyone, I wanted to take a few minutes today to speak
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from my heart. To the Daystar.
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Family and friends. Recently Daystar made the
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decision to terminate my son Jonathan Lamb's employment.
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That decision was not taken lightly.
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It followed a 15 month review of Jonathan's performance and his
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refusal to take any steps to satisfy a detailed performance
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improvement plan put in place. He also refused my offer to
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participate in a formal mediation to resolve grievances
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in a biblical and professional manner rather than take any
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steps to improve his performance at Daystar.
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It seems clear now that Jonathan was focused on fabricating A
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smear campaign. You see, Jonathan was extremely
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disappointed that he was not named the future president of
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Daystar following the death of his father and my husband,
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Marcus Lamb, despite the fact that Marcus had given a clear
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directive to the family and to the board that I would succeed
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him as president. Jonathan's disappointment in not
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getting his way only deepened when I married Doctor Doug
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Weiss, who has been such a blessing to me, the rest of my
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family and Day Star. I can tell you that as a mother,
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as a grandmother, the situation saddens me deeply and it grieves
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my heart because I love my family.
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I love all my children, I love my grandchildren, I love the
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work we've done together for so many years.
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And I had hoped that we could have resolved the situation in
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private, but now Jonathan has given me no choice except to
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speak out. OK, we can pause and care.
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And she's referring to the Roy's report that came out, the
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investigative report saying that she was covering up abuse and
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also weaponizing that against Jonathan.
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Let's listen to Jonathan's explanation here about why he
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was fired from Daystar, and then we'll unpack more of these abuse
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allegations. But we've given over all of our
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evidence over to multiple reporters, including the Police
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Department. Daystar was contacted for a
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comment by the journalist Friday, November 15th.
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And then I was subsequently fired the following day,
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November 16th. Some scary things happened,
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being followed, private investigators, intimidation,
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threats. Even through all of that, things
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don't stop. So we started.
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We felt like we had no other option but to reach out to a
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journalist. When you bring things to the
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light, things you know, get better.
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So. That's what we did.
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Absolutely, and you know I really thought from the Lord
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that even though a lot of wrong had been done to me, that I was
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to stand firm in the position that God had called me to and to
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not walk away. Right now Susie and I are at a
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undisclosed location because we simply do not feel safe at our
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home. Now please know that not only
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has Julie Royce been given all of the evidence and is writing a
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story that will be out soon, multiple national reporters have
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been given all of the evidence as of this afternoon.
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Should be reporting some stories that will be out in the news
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very shortly. We can posit here.
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So they're saying there's more that's going to come.
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And again, my, my goal with this report right now on what is
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happening in the scandal brewing at Daystar is not necessarily to
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say we know what happened because there's a lot of
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allegations, there's investigation that's ongoing,
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but to follow the story because I do think it matters.
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This is again, one of the largest religious broadcasting
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networks in the world. These are the top talent, the
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top leadership and sexual abuse cover up sexual abuse is
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horrific and it matters. This is something that is
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plagued parts of the Catholic Church.
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It is plagued parts of the Protestant evangelical world.
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It plagues our public and private school system in many
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ways right now. This matters how we treat
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children and how we deal with the failure to treat children
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properly. Whether we hold people
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accountable or we cover it up, these things all matter.
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Here's the timeline as far as I know it from Julie Royce's
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investigative report, as well as some of the statements made from
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Joni Lamb and Daystar. And I think this is really where
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some of the details are still emerging.
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But some of the disagreements appear to be had between
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Daystar, Joni Lamb and Susie and Jonathan Lamb.
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So according to Susie and according to things that Susie
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and her husband have said, Jonathan have said in 2020, Pete
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again, this is the pseudonym that's being used for this
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family member and employee of Daystar who is being accused of
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abusing the daughter of Jonathan and Susie.
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Pete claimed that he told this the parents of this young girl
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that she had walked in on him in the bathroom.
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So that already kind of flagged something for the mother at the
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point because it's a little bit weird, OK, My daughter saw this
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grown man who was undressed. This is a.
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Again, Susie's recounting. Then just a few months later,
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the young girl reports to her mother.
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And again, just a a very young girl reports to her mother
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effectively that she's being molested.
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And so the mother shares that at that point, she immediately
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thought it was the school. She didn't have a reason to
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think it was the family or or anyone at Daystar.
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And so she immediately tries to go to the preschool, figure out
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what's going on after that. There are other concerning
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episodes that Susie reports about the daughter not feeling
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safe at going to Daystar. She would always take her
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children to the green room. They would be around the family
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and and suddenly this child became very terrified of Daystar
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according to Susie. Susie also goes on to share that
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when this Pete, Pete supposedly again the pseudonym was with her
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children in the Daystar's green room.
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He had a lot of access to the children.
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So this is Susie starting to put two and two together in her
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words. And apparently Susie says that
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she started to find Pete creepy because he had a lot of access
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to the children. He would want to be around the
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children a lot. And this concerted to concern
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Susie later on, she says. Susie says that the brother and
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sister-in-law of of Jonathan and her sister-in-law and her be her
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brother-in-law warned them. She uses the words Jonathan and
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her says that they were warned about Pete.
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Pete claimed they claimed that they saw Pete inappropriately
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being affectionate with a child, being overly affectionate with a
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child. And then later on, Susie says
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that Pete and his wife had their young daughter and her brother,
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their two young children for a sleepover over at the house.
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She says after that sleepover, her daughter's behavior
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dramatically changed. So this was Susie's timeline.
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And then the beach house incident happens in August of
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2021. And at that point, the family is
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alerted. Jonathan and Susie go to Joni
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Lamb and her husband Marcus at the time and say we believe Pete
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is harming our child. And Joni, as the head of Daystar
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and the head of the family, along with Marcus, say that they
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the heads, I mean, she wasn't the president, her husband was
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at the time. So that they will do a forensic
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physic investigation to determine if Pete is an abuser
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because these are very serious allegations.
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And then they tell Susie and Jonathan a few months later that
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they have already completed the investigation and they have
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discovered that Pete is innocent.
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And at this point, Susie and Jonathan take them at their
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word. And still to keep the daughter
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away from Daystar, they get it at home, Nanny Susie says.
22:41
But the next summer they apparently go on another beach
22:44
visit with the family, including the alleged abuser.
22:48
I guess they were assuming maybe he's not the abuser.
22:51
And this is where Joni Lamb in the latest video from last night
22:54
says, well, they had the they were fine with the children
22:57
sleeping on bunk beds outside the alleged abusers room.
22:59
Why would they be fine with that if they really thought he was an
23:01
abuser? And we have not heard yet from
23:04
Susie and Jonathan response to that.
23:06
But my understanding is they thought that the case was closed
23:09
because Joni and Marcus had hired A forensic investigator to
23:12
determine whether or not Pete was actually an abuser.
23:15
Now, the part that is at the the core of this that I haven't
23:18
shared yet is is this according to the Roy's report, Julie Roy's
23:22
this forensic investigation that Daystar supposedly conducted
23:26
that Joni and Marcus Lamb conducted didn't actually get
23:29
completed. And one of the core people at
23:32
the heart of that investigation who was supposed to be doing
23:34
some of the interviews with Pete never actually completed those
23:37
interviews. Nonetheless, Marcus went to
23:39
Jonathan and Susie and, and, and Joni allegedly and said this is
23:42
completed and Pete is innocent. And so that is one of the
23:45
reasons that Susie and and Jonathan is saying we stayed
23:49
around, we continue to socialize to some degree with the family,
23:52
but because we thought that he was cleared via this
23:55
investigation. Now I'm sure you guys are
23:57
listening to this and you have a ton of questions yourself and a
23:59
lot of concerns. There's one other core thing I
24:01
want to mention, which is that there is a audio recording right
24:05
now online has hundreds of thousands of views of a
24:08
conversation that Joni Lamb is having with her son Jonathan and
24:13
her daughter-in-law, Susie, about their supposed performance
24:16
and their disagreements at Daystar.
24:18
And as part of the conversation, they had this third party there
24:21
who's kind of supposed to be a mediator.
24:23
And a lot of people who have listened to this conversation
24:26
are saying, well, this sounds like spiritual abuse.
24:27
This sounds like bullying. We're not going to listen to the
24:30
whole conversation. It's pretty long.
24:31
I think it's an hour and a half on the show today.
24:33
But I did want to share a couple observations about that
24:36
conversation because I think it provides a little bit of the
24:38
psychological insight of what I think might be going on here.
24:42
I think in the in this tape, you hear Joni saying you're being
24:45
insubordinate basically to her son.
24:47
You need to read this comment on air that's positive about Doug.
24:50
Why aren't you doing this? Why are you so disgruntled?
24:52
And they're not talking about sexual abuse at all in this
24:54
conversation. They're just talking about
24:56
Jonathan not wanting to read positive comments on air about
24:59
his stepdad and Joni saying, well, that's your job, in part
25:03
as a host. If you don't like that job, then
25:04
you can quit. And on its face, if this was any
25:07
other job, not a ministry, not family working together, you can
25:09
kind of see the employer's point of view of, yeah, if you're not
25:12
doing what your job is, whether it's reading viewer comments or
25:15
not, then why are you still at your job?
25:17
Why are you still here? If you don't like your job, you
25:19
should just quit. But of course, with all these
25:22
dynamics of this being their stepdad that they are now
25:25
disapproving of apparently Jonathan being upset that he
25:28
hasn't assumed the presidency and instead his mother has with
25:32
his father's passing. And then under the under, you
25:36
know, below ground, not on the conversation.
25:38
All of this about sexual abuse allegations, I can understand
25:41
why really anything that Joni might say in this conversation
25:45
that is in disagreement with Jonathan would be seen by your
25:49
average person listening as problematic because of the
25:53
bigger story that is underpinning this whole
25:55
conversation. Of course, we're going to wait
25:58
to hear more about what happens. Apparently the police
26:01
investigation has been reopened now at Jonathan and Susie's
26:04
request into Pete. So we do not have the results of
26:08
that. There will be, I'm sure, more
26:10
responses coming out from Susie and Jonathan, and there will
26:15
probably be more statements coming out from Joni and Daystar
26:18
in the aftermath. Susie and Jonathan are saying
26:20
that they're being followed, that they're, you know,
26:23
concerned of their own physical safety, that a man and an armed
26:26
agent with a bulletproof vest came to their door to deliver
26:29
the firing news to Jonathan. Of course, this was after
26:32
Jonathan had leaked secretly recorded conversations to the
26:37
Press of his mother. So she responds by firing him.
26:41
All of this, again, horrible, sad, tragic family feuding, but
26:44
we will see what happens. Here's my bottom line on all of
26:47
this. I think it is always good to
26:49
expose abuse. I think abuse, sexual abuse,
26:54
especially of minors, is something that is far too
26:56
frequent in our society. And far too I think there's
27:02
there's, there needs to be much more accountability.
27:04
There is an incredible amount of abuse that goes uncovered of
27:09
abuse that is not abusers that are not held accountable.
27:13
People that are abusers often get sentences I think are way
27:16
too short. All of this is a state of
27:18
American Society and in religious institutions in
27:21
particular, and this is so tragic.
27:23
You guys know I'm a passionate Catholic and religious
27:25
institutions in particular because they're made-up of mere
27:28
mortals. There can be this desire to
27:31
protect power to protect reputation in the name of the
27:35
Ministry and in in doing so to cover up the sexual abuse or the
27:40
abuse otherwise abuse of those that are innocent and and those
27:43
that are vulnerable. And that is why it is so
27:45
important in my view to expose this so well.
27:49
I can't make a judgement on this case.
27:52
We are still getting information.
27:53
And I will say, I think if there is sexual abuse here, it is good
27:57
that it is being exposed. And if there was a cover up of
27:59
sexual abuse here, it is absolutely good that that is
28:03
being exposed and the truth as it always does, will eventually
28:08
come out. So I'm eager to hear your
28:10
thoughts of the chat is going here.
28:11
I'm going to take a look at what folks are saying because I know
28:13
a lot of people are following this right now.
28:16
Someone is saying why not wait till we know more before we
28:18
speak. I am sharing what we do know.
28:20
I agree we can't make judgements at this time because there is a
28:23
lot of question marks. But I think it is important to
28:26
follow the story. Someone else gay is saying the
28:29
Gay Royale is saying the entire story seems to have a lot of
28:32
tentacles. I have a feeling there's a lot
28:33
more is going to come out. I agree.
28:35
And different family members on both sides from what I
28:37
understand are saying on social media more will come out.
28:39
So again, it is not. I think it's the time to make a
28:42
judgement, except to say, let's look at the evidence that
28:45
continues to come out. Nubin says you submit or you
28:48
leave. I think Newbin is referring to
28:51
the secretly recorded audio that Jonathan recorded of his mother
28:54
in this business meeting. And the mother is saying, if you
28:57
don't submit to my leadership in this company, in this nonprofit,
29:00
in this ministry, then you need to leave.
29:02
And there's some truth to that. But of course, what's the
29:04
context, right? Was she just in her behavior?
29:07
Was she just in what she was doing or was she being unjust?
29:10
Was she being deceptive? Again, these are all the
29:11
questions that are flying around right now.
29:15
Another comment here is who does this to their son and his
29:17
family. I agree if if sexual abuse was
29:19
covered up and if the investigation that they claimed
29:22
was complete actually wasn't and they knew that to exonerate this
29:25
so-called family member Pete. Absolutely horrible.
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Recorded meetings are all that I needed to hear.
30:33
This is from a Macau. Regardless of what the police
30:36
uncover regarding the abuse, the alleged abuse, it's clear that
30:39
this woman, I think he's referring to Joni here.
30:42
They're referring to Joni is not who she appears to be.
30:45
And you know, there was another comment made from Joni Lamb last
30:48
night on her YouTube video saying that she does not regret
30:51
anything that she said in the recorded conversation, the
30:54
conversation that was secretly recorded by her son Jonathan
30:56
from their business meeting and that she stands by what she
30:58
said. And again, this is all public.
31:00
Anybody can listen to this content.
31:02
And of course, you can see both sides of the stories that are
31:05
emerging here. But as I said earlier, I do
31:08
think it is important to talk about this.
31:10
I think it's uncomfortable to talk about sexual abuse and
31:13
sexual abuse cover up, especially in ministries and the
31:16
church, but I think it is very important and I'm going to be
31:19
following the story and reporting on it as the days go
31:22
by. I want to say one other thing
31:24
before we close out here. Shelley, Shelley Terry saying
31:28
boycott day star, don't give to them.
31:30
That may end up being the right action.
31:31
Again, I think more information is emerging and we need to be
31:34
looking at the facts as as they emerge.
31:36
But yeah, this is all very, very troubling.
31:39
That is that is coming out. All of this information is very,
31:42
very troubling. But I want to say one last thing
31:44
here. And this is connected to what I
31:46
was saying at the beginning, but I think that anytime there is a
31:51
dynamic of power where there is somebody that has the power to
31:54
cover up abuse, commit abuse, basically, you know, fire or
31:59
hire people, that they have that position of authority and they
32:03
have the power to do good or bad things.
32:05
It is important for there to be accountability.
32:07
It is important for there to be high standards.
32:10
And I do want to connect this back to our larger cultural
32:13
moment right now that we are in because we did a live last week,
32:16
as you guys know, talking about some of Trump's appointments for
32:20
his cabinet and some of the appointments for his
32:22
administration. And I do think that it's
32:26
connected both the political world to the ministry world to
32:28
the business world. All of this is connected that it
32:31
is important for us to hold our leaders to a high standard, that
32:34
it is important that if someone has a position of leadership and
32:37
authority, that they are above reproach in what they do
32:40
publicly and privately. And that's where I do have
32:43
respect, even though I understand sometimes people have
32:46
chips on their shoulders or maybe they just hate authority.
32:49
But I do have respect for the investigative journalists who
32:51
are going out there and exposing terrible abuses often.
32:55
And that all being said, it is important to acknowledge that
32:59
sometimes allegations of abuse are made when against somebody
33:02
who was innocent. Sometimes somebody is accused of
33:06
horrible, heinous things and they didn't commit those things.
33:09
And there can be a campaign against them because of jealousy
33:12
or because of the hatred for what they stand for, any other
33:15
number of reasons to try to take them down.
33:18
And so the big question with what's unfolding right now with
33:20
Daystar is, which is it, right? Is this a campaign because
33:23
Jonathan is mad that he didn't get the job and now he is
33:26
bringing up this allegation and he's, you know, attacking the
33:30
network because of that and his mother.
33:32
Or is this that, yes, his precious daughter, human being
33:36
and a child that deserves protection didn't get the
33:38
protection that she deserved. And it was covered up by the
33:41
people who should have protected her, who then weaponized it in
33:44
the end against the people that they should have cared for their
33:47
own family. And we're going to keep
33:49
following this. But there's also the, the, the
33:52
final thing here is those two things could be happening.
33:55
We're not sure which. And there also is the third, the
33:57
third thing, which is there could be pieces of both.
34:00
It could be the case that there was abuse, as has been alleged,
34:04
that there was abuse cover up that has been alleged.
34:06
Maybe that wasn't outed when it should have been by Susie and
34:11
Pete, we or Susie and Jonathan, we don't know, because they
34:14
wanted to keep their jobs. And then later on they ended up,
34:17
you know, losing their jobs because they were defiant
34:20
against a star leadership about something else entirely.
34:23
We don't know. So I'm going to keep following
34:25
the story. Let's close with a call to pray
34:30
for everybody involved in this story.
34:33
Let's pray for Jonathan and for his wife Susie and their kids
34:37
for protection on them. Let's pray for Joni and Daystar
34:40
and for God's justice to be done and for God's will to be done.
34:45
And let's also just move with humility because anybody in a
34:49
position of leadership, I think there's a lot of responsibility
34:52
that they care that they carry. So we need to pray for leaders
34:56
and we also need to pray for justice for those that are weak
35:00
and be advocates for justice for those that are weak.
35:03
All right, thank you guys so much for listening to this
35:05
episode of the Lila Rose Podcast this live.
35:07
We'll continue to follow this story and I look forward to
35:11
getting your thoughts. So feel free to leave a comment
35:14
here. Let me know what else you think
35:16
I should be covering too. On the lives, we're going to
35:18
continue to follow this one on Daystar as well as the Supreme
35:20
Court case, and we will see you guys all next time.