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Kevin Frazier, Nischelle Turner, Chef Rodney Scott, Nwaka Onwusa & Dr. George Fraser · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to money Making Conversations. It's the show that she
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  Speaker 1: we come. Awesome, Welcome to money making Conversation. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions
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  Speaker 1: of success. My next guest, Kevin Fraser and the shall
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  Speaker 1: turn her back on entertainment tonight. After being away six
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  Speaker 1: months remotely, I've been watching y'all on that small screen.
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  Speaker 1: Is the number one entertainment news magazine or television really
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  Speaker 1: the world four million viewers daily and the show won
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  Speaker 1: his fifth Emmy Award this year. Kevin to Share on
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  Speaker 1: the show discussed being on the fortieth season milestone. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: please working money Making Conversations. My man Kevin Fraser, my girl,
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  Speaker 1: the Shell Turn. What's going on? Well, you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's really cool because you know, I'm originally from Houston, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: so I can remember when entertainment came on and Mary
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  Speaker 1: Heart it was just it was it was like it
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  Speaker 1: was something new. Now everybody is doing some form, especially
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  Speaker 1: with social media, some form of entertainment. And then to see,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's be honest to African American leads on
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  Speaker 1: this show that plays a significant role on how we
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  Speaker 1: look at television and say you're telling people of color
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  Speaker 1: talk about that, Well, I was gonna say that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: each and every day it is kind of a privilege
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  Speaker 1: to you look across and you look at that person
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  Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, we get it. And as you
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  Speaker 1: can see, like we're spending an ordinate amount of time
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  Speaker 1: together even when we're not on camera. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is right next do ourselves through the wall. And Michelle
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  Speaker 1: is also a crazy amazing cook, so she usually brings
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  Speaker 1: in food. But you know it is I feel so
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  Speaker 1: blessed and lucky to be able to look over and
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  Speaker 1: see someone who I can identify with so much, and
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  Speaker 1: also someone who has no problem keep me in check.
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  Speaker 1: Same here, same here, because we battle, we battle behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, but it's all like to lift one another
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  Speaker 1: up and to have each other raise our games. Because
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  Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, Rashana, I mean you do
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  Speaker 1: see two people of color, you know, on this show,
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  Speaker 1: and as you said, like the leads of this show,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin officially is the host. I just kind
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  Speaker 1: of try to ride his coattails sometimes, but but make
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  Speaker 1: no mistake about it, like we get the weight that
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  Speaker 1: that is and as blessed as we are to be
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  Speaker 1: doing it, I mean, there's a weight to represent um.
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  Speaker 1: Because you know, like people always say, if if a
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  Speaker 1: kid can't see it, they can't believe it. So the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it's Kevin and myself every single day a
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  Speaker 1: showing these young folks, these young brown and black folks,
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  Speaker 1: like what they can be and what they can aspire to,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it means the world to me. The world Kevin.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin just got to see. Kevin has an assistant, Michelle
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  Speaker 1: goes and walks to the smoothie shop herself, you shape
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  Speaker 1: that way, so it's all good and smolks bringing him
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  Speaker 1: a whole sandwich that's toasted, this is warm, this is
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  Speaker 1: he is the host as you say it. You said
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  Speaker 1: that earlier, so he's representing and she got jokes around here.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get after Kevin Fraser like that woman right there,
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  Speaker 1: that is true. Get you know it's serious, Rashan when
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  Speaker 1: he says, can I just tell you something? So if
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  Speaker 1: he says that within this interview, you know you're about
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  Speaker 1: to get some kind of man's playing craziness going on there.
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  Speaker 1: It is there, It is what with the pandemic, ya
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  Speaker 1: changing the whole landscape because nobody was ready for that.
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  Speaker 1: I thought maybe a month. You know, I'm an entrepreneur,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I said, my staff, they we've been zooming
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  Speaker 1: still and I purchased the building in Atlanta, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting the COVID safe, so i bring my staff
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  Speaker 1: back in. So it's that whole mentality. How you look
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  Speaker 1: at it. Even though you guys wore a studio show,
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  Speaker 1: how did it really Because when you went to the
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  Speaker 1: small screen trying to make it interesting, trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the celebrities to come on with you, Kevin, how did
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  Speaker 1: that work with you? What was the most uncomfortable part
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  Speaker 1: of that? It was a lot because you're at home
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  Speaker 1: and you're shooting the show, and you're shooting the show,
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  Speaker 1: of course with your family walking around. Like my children
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  Speaker 1: at first were like, oh, Daddy's doing the show, and
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  Speaker 1: then they were just like, man, I gotta leave the
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  Speaker 1: room again. And so it became a whole thing of
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  Speaker 1: kind of shooting and dodging them and yelling everybody be quiet.
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  Speaker 1: But it was kind of cool because I think with celebrities,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean with the shell too, because here's the
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  Speaker 1: crazy she had a home. It was just about saying
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  Speaker 1: Michelle was homeless when this first happened because her home
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  Speaker 1: was being finished. She just built the new house, so
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  Speaker 1: she was homeless. I was living in a hotel for
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  Speaker 1: the first two months and then finally moved into her house.
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  Speaker 1: But it was a new house so it wasn't really
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  Speaker 1: all set up, so getting it all set up and
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  Speaker 1: everything ready was a real challenge for her. I carry
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  Speaker 1: around in a crazy amount of technology with me at
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  Speaker 1: all times, so I had cameras and stuff that I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't wait to use and justify using. But I think
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  Speaker 1: it was also cool because you gotta look inside our lives.
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  Speaker 1: I think you gotta look inside in the shells lives life,
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  Speaker 1: like oh, you're at home, oh you're Oh, that's what's
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  Speaker 1: behind you. Oh, that's what your living room, that's what's
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  Speaker 1: in your office. Yeah. I think that it actually UM
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  Speaker 1: let celebrities guards down a little bit being at home.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that we've done some of the best work,
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  Speaker 1: best interviews that we've ever done during this pandemic because
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  Speaker 1: I felt like it was easier for me to just
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  Speaker 1: be calm, sational, just like we're all. It kind of
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  Speaker 1: levels the playing field a little bit because like we're
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  Speaker 1: all sitting in our living room on a bad you know,
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  Speaker 1: WiFi connection, UM just all trying to make it work,
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  Speaker 1: and so it kind of levels the playing field. So
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  Speaker 1: you come into it a little bit differently than you
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  Speaker 1: do when you're you know, going into a hotel sitting
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  Speaker 1: down together or fancy and right fancy, like I'm wearing
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  Speaker 1: my slippers, honey, and the FedEx man might come knock
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  Speaker 1: on the door, so I'm just warning you ahead of right,
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  Speaker 1: And that happened lots of times. So I thought I
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  Speaker 1: think that it actually um was a help to us,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that it helped my interviewing style a
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  Speaker 1: lot because I just became much more I think that
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  Speaker 1: that's who you are naturally, you're it shows are very
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  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna talk to you, and I'm gonna talk
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  Speaker 1: to you very straight. I'm not cutting anything like I'm
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  Speaker 1: a massager, and she's like a get right to the fact.
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  Speaker 1: Part of that is, you know her news that she
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  Speaker 1: still works for CNN, so Michelle is still like cutting
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  Speaker 1: edge journalists, so you sill see her on CNN and
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  Speaker 1: Entertainment tonight. But I feel like, you know, Kevin, Kevin
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  Speaker 1: is like I always tell him there, um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know anybody in this world whose hustle is harder than
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  Speaker 1: this one right here, And like when he's on his game,
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  Speaker 1: he's unmatched. He's the best entertainment host in the business.
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  Speaker 1: And don't ever tell anybody I said that one moment
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  Speaker 1: thing she's just saying that never got here. It again,
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  Speaker 1: he's the best entertainment host in this business. We know.
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  Speaker 1: He's an interesting thing about it because this whole year
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  Speaker 1: has been so crazy with entertainment. You had the pandemic
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  Speaker 1: and then you had the civil unrest, and and that's
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  Speaker 1: why that's why the interview was interesting for me to
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  Speaker 1: be a part of and talk to you about, because
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  Speaker 1: you guys played it out right in front of us.
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  Speaker 1: You saw the pandemic hit, and then you all the
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  Speaker 1: civil unrest hit, and then you're seeing actors, Broadway shut down,
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  Speaker 1: you're seeing movie things. California still shut down, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of ways to shut down. How but you remain calm
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  Speaker 1: like Chell, You have a brilliant smile, your eyes are active,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And you guys play your
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  Speaker 1: roles correctly because because because of Kevin, your stoic you're
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  Speaker 1: that professional guy you know, lead your personality. So but still,
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  Speaker 1: how did when when the walkway through these steps, the
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  Speaker 1: pandemic hit, then George Floyd and where were you guys
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  Speaker 1: that emotionally, I was still doing your job. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even gonna lie. I was broken. It was, it was,
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  Speaker 1: it was and still is tough. I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're we're taught and I don't know if you felt
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  Speaker 1: this way keV Um because he is unflappable in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ways. But we are taught, you know, as journalists,
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  Speaker 1: and we're both journalists to be right down the middle.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to be You want to
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  Speaker 1: appear unbiased, you want to just give the facts. But
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  Speaker 1: when a situation like what happened this summer with the
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  Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter movement and the murder of George I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna just gonna call it what it was, the murder
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  Speaker 1: of George Floyd and everything that was surrounded that in
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  Speaker 1: mo are very you know, the rise up again with
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  Speaker 1: Brianna Taylor, so many things. UM, if we acted like
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  Speaker 1: that didn't affect us, we were being we'd be liars.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we are black folks first and foremost. And
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  Speaker 1: I know I've had experiences, um, you know with racism
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  Speaker 1: and then and and and inequality also in the workplace.
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  Speaker 1: That it gave me UM an opportunity to have a
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  Speaker 1: voice that I probably wouldn't have spoken up and spoken
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  Speaker 1: out about things. So for me, I did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of healing. I remember I was doing an interview with
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  Speaker 1: UM with Porsha Williams. This was right in the beginning
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  Speaker 1: of things. I was doing an interview about her decision
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  Speaker 1: to step up and start uh oro testing and start
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  Speaker 1: really using her voice in her platform. And I broke
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  Speaker 1: down crying in the middle of the interview. And it
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  Speaker 1: just because I couldn't, you know, it was I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do it anymore because I couldn't keep it together, and
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  Speaker 1: here's what you have to understand about the whole situation.
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  Speaker 1: Months before that, a few months before that, Michelle went
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  Speaker 1: to do an interview UM with Oprah and Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 1: and Michael B. Jordan's the Netflix building and as she
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  Speaker 1: came out, UM, she had this beautiful convertible and these
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  Speaker 1: guys cut her off, and you know, she honked at him,
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  Speaker 1: and when they came to stop, like one of the
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  Speaker 1: guys got out, called her and word spit on her
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  Speaker 1: and then drove off. And so tensions were already high
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  Speaker 1: here because when she came back, we was like, let's
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  Speaker 1: go find these you know, your first reaction is like, well,
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  Speaker 1: let's go out that night. So what happened and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, where are you? Let's go find these dudes
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  Speaker 1: and let's go get them, you know, because that's your
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  Speaker 1: natural reaction. But then you know you have to calm down.
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  Speaker 1: But what settles in on you is the heaviness of
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  Speaker 1: what happened and what occurred because you have someone who
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  Speaker 1: is at the highest point of her career, someone who
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  Speaker 1: is a professional, who is beautiful, who has done all
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  Speaker 1: these things and all these accomplishments, and you still can't
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  Speaker 1: escape the fact that you get into your car, you're
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  Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollar car, and someone gets down and
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  Speaker 1: spits on you and calls you to m worst and
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  Speaker 1: didn't try and you know, it reduces you to a
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  Speaker 1: certain place that you never want to think it can,
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  Speaker 1: but it does. And so like through that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people look at both Kevin and myself and
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  Speaker 1: what level of success we have achieved, and it's wonderful
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  Speaker 1: and we're both blessed for it. But we also do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like fighting and crusading and behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes of really trying to make a difference in our
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  Speaker 1: little point, you know, corner of the world, to make
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  Speaker 1: you know, change in our what our newsrooms look like,
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  Speaker 1: the coverage that we do, the content that you see
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  Speaker 1: on TV, those are you know, things that we work
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  Speaker 1: on every single day. So it's an ongoing effort. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's on and people don't see that. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: times I had some people saying to me, well, what
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  Speaker 1: have you ever done for your community? Well, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: don't ever please, don't please. I'm good. But you know
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  Speaker 1: I said that to Kevin today. I want my respect.
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  Speaker 1: It was my lebron moment. But um, but no, like
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  Speaker 1: so it's still every day, you know, Rashawna. It's a
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  Speaker 1: it's a battle. It's a battle, but it's a battle
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  Speaker 1: that both of us and talking to each other say
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  Speaker 1: we're ready for this. We've got the shoulders for it.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, Kevin is the leader of us here,
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  Speaker 1: so we kind of all take direction for him. And
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  Speaker 1: he's a fighter for folks of color. I mean he
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  Speaker 1: just did you know, is we talk each other off
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  Speaker 1: the edge. So that's good. That's good, I will tell you.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the heaviness of what had happened before when
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  Speaker 1: this happened, when the Georgia Floyd thing happened, we were
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  Speaker 1: just like, whoa, this is crazy because it's just it
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  Speaker 1: was so much and we were at home and so
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  Speaker 1: we were separated, so we didn't have each other to
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  Speaker 1: kind of sit down and talk to each other. And
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  Speaker 1: my wife is from Minnesota, so it happened where she's from.
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  Speaker 1: That was you know, there's that other thing like badass
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  Speaker 1: So I know Kevin was here and I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: know the beauty of Like I said earlier, I started
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  Speaker 1: the show Mary Hard John Tesh, I think Bob going.
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  Speaker 1: And then then Kevin Frazier started seeing his face started
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  Speaker 1: dropping in periodically, you know, and then it became a regular.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know he was a regular kind of regular,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw him a lot. And then I guess
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you guys about entertainment that is so important,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: that iconic music when he started do you know? You know?
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  Speaker 1: And Kevin, I gotta tell you man a lot of times.
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  Speaker 1: You just being a representative of us is so just
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: seeing you it's important to my daughter, to me. And
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: then the share when you came on for entertainment tonight
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  Speaker 1: that allowed me to see two you guys attractive boss
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  Speaker 1: for articulate and still the show's ratings maintained status still
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  Speaker 1: as a global presence. I just want to let you
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  Speaker 1: know that just keep doing your job, because your job
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  Speaker 1: enables me to do my job, and that is all
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  Speaker 1: we wanna do. Is I've been when the George Floord
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  Speaker 1: thing happened. A lot of my white friends called me
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  Speaker 1: and they said, is it really like that? I said yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I always said I had never heard from so many
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  Speaker 1: of my white friends that's me. Is it really like that?
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  Speaker 1: I said yeah. It said, how do you do it?
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  Speaker 1: I said, That's just part of the process, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I said, you you get up, you deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not comfortable when the policeman stops me. I'm not,
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  Speaker 1: I said, but that's part of life. And when I
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  Speaker 1: see the Black lives matters and I see white people
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  Speaker 1: walking that and that's important to me, And that's important.
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  Speaker 1: When I see you guys interviewing and doing your job
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  Speaker 1: and interviewing white people is important to me. This is
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  Speaker 1: not BT. I'm seeing you guys on, This is not
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  Speaker 1: this is not TV one. You guys owned the global presence,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: and when you're distributing in information and then I see
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: the Emmies this year being played out and seeing all
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  Speaker 1: these African American talent being talk about that reaction to
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the Emmys and the way it was done. It was
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  Speaker 1: produced by my man, Original Hudling. You know what was
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  Speaker 1: interesting about it is your your home, and it's it's
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: you know, it's Emmy's that are virtual. And so we're like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, and so you're sitting there and you're looking.
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  Speaker 1: We had a zoom with everybody that we work with,
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  Speaker 1: and we're looking at what we want are I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at all the people and so as you look
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  Speaker 1: at all the people, you think about their families, their kids,
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  Speaker 1: their houses, what they are doing, and and what it
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  Speaker 1: takes for them just to survive, and how important this
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  Speaker 1: moment is because us, this is something for everybody. So
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  Speaker 1: when we want our Emmy, it was like it was
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  Speaker 1: incredible because I felt so proud for those people, those
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  Speaker 1: people that never you never see. I thought it was
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: an important moment. Yeah, and Gail King got to, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: give us our Emmy. So that was that was really
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: really great. But John, I think you you were also
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: talking about and this is important. This is these are
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: conversations that Kevin and I have often about having to
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: be the most well rounded people in the building. Um,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: we have to be you know, there's the saying you
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: gotta work twice as hard to be considered half as good.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: But we have to be so well rounded because you
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you can't just be focused on quote unquote the black
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: celebrities or the black people or whatever like we do,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: and you have to build relationships with everybody, which can
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be tough. It can be tough, like Kevin always teases me,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: because people don't know all the times I'm I'm as
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: country as country can be. Like I grew up on putry.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Are you turner? What do you say? How country are you? So?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I grew up on a pig farm, honey in y'all
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: don't understand. Like she could probably drive a tractor, she
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: could drive her car. Love driving a tractor. Knows country music,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So it always cracks me up when you walk down
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: on the set and she'll play some old school country
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: music on the it's just and it catches people by surprise.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I love watching people's reaction when she starts singing old
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: school country music and they're like, you know that George
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: straight now by the way he stopped loving her Today
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: is one of the best songs ever. It's so beautiful.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I wish some man would love me to day die
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: like that shot. I listen to you quote sad sad,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, it's like, um, it just goes
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: to show you. And I think that we've been a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: good representation of that because Kevin's like this techy, weirdo guy,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: you know. I this black girl who loves country music,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: who like you know, and and and hair bands like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: from the eighties. I love bon Jovi, that kind of stuff.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: But I love you know, I just love it all.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But I think that we're a good representation of how
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: black folks are not a monolith, you know what I'm saying,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and how Um, I think that we've gone a long
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: way to teach the people here that you can't judge
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a book by its cover, because for a lot of
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: times you did like oh you, which sometimes feel like
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: my black people go into the black stories or whatever.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: But now there's much more of a broad thinking because
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Michelle has a relationship with Tricia Yearwood
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: because that's what she likes, or you know, Kevin Fraser
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Melissa McCarthy, that's his girl, Like you know what I'm saying.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So those things, I think you go a long way,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: um to changing stereotypes and you know what I'm saying,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and just showing people that we can do all things
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and we can be all things. And um, it's just
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the same as if I was a blondhaired white woman.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, people can take to me the same way,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: so and and and as advice because I want people
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: to hear what she's saying. We can do insecure. I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: can go see Kevin Hart. You just sat with Kevin Hart,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: so that The Crown is actually my favorite show. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: The Crown, you know what I mean. And so you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: can't you can't come up in here thinking well, I'm
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: gonna do what I know what. Everybody knows everything, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: so you have to be well. And that's why I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to say. That's why it was important that you
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: heard me when I said, I'm not watching B E T.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I'm not watching TV on. I'm watching iconic individuals who
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: are carrying us to the next century. Being relatable, that's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the key. Relatable. But we look at this industry, you know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: we thought Tenant would draw people back into the movie
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: theaters under the domestic market. Didn't happen. Now the I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was interviewed to be from Last Game, they're nervous. They
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: don't know if the movies are gonna be ready and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Christmas. So you guys got your ear to the ground.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: What are we looking at? I think television. Tyler Perry
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: has shown us he can shoot a movie. He can
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: shoot Twitter by episodes in two weeks man on the planet.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: People stop sleeping on Tyler Perry. He is the smartest
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: man on the planet. You know. It's um, I'm not
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: gonna like like what I miss most. I'm a movie head.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I miss going to the movies more than anything like
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that was my I would go Saturday morning the very
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: first movie at Being there by myself just is the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: best feeling ever to watch a movie on the big screen.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And I miss it so much. And if I'm being honest,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what we're gonna get. I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: just I don't know. I'd love to be optimistic, but
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: every time I am, I feel like, damn, what are
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we gonna get next? But I'll tell you this, I
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: think that this time for movie makers is going to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: be the greatest time ever because by going video on demand,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: they get cut of what they're doing, so you will
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: see these people are making movies and stuff like that.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt the theaters, but it doesn't hurt them
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: because they're the people are making the movies. Are studios
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: still green lighting these amount of movies? I mean, there's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: a studio really gonna invest two hundred four hundred million
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: into a blockbuster if it's not Tom Cruise or Will Smith,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: no doubt. But if if you are Will Smith, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: now you can make a movie like, for instance, the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: movie that he's making right now about um uh little
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the name, but anyway, he's making a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: movie right now. They just left to make a movie
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: now and Netflix paid them an insane amount of money
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: for an insane amount of money. So you're taking out
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: the the kind of equation where you have to hope
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: people go to the movies. These people are paying a
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: lot of money up front, or you can make your
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: money on video demand and people will sit at home.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I watched Annabellum the second it hit Video of the Man.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: It probably would have taken me a week or two
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to get there. Yeah. You interesting is that what Netflix
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: has done for me as far as black product is
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: that it premieres internationally. You know, when he premieres on Netflix,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it's in China, it's in Europe. Is in amazing because
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you know, the rubbin Hollywood has always been black doesn't
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: sell globally, right, thank you, my son. It's selling like crazy.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: They're like, whoa, y'all. Go back to Tyler Perry in
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: January or Fall from Grace twenty seven million views, shocked
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: the world. And then we went into the Pandemic and
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: it opened up, and the Five Bloods and all these
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Jamie Fox movie they just came out was incredible. Can
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just say, Delroy Lindo handed himself the Oscar? Come on,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: come on, where he's cutting down the banana leaves? He
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: handed himself the Oscar. And if he does not get it,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: y'all about to see me out here protesting beated. He
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: gotta get nominated. He gotta get nominate. I told dar Roy,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I said he's got he will be nominated. I mean,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: he gotta get nominated. I know you don't the same
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: page with dear Orlando. He should get an Oscar nomination.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: He should win an Oscar for that, solely based on
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that one scene. They ripped him off from Malcolm X.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: He never got his due with Malcolm. They owe him
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: one from Malcolm X. But this is not even a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: makeup because he's brilliant. Movie. But I'm saying, well, I
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: get you, I get you. But he this isn't a makeup.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: This isn't like the Denzel makeup because he should have
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: won the Hurricane and anyone training you know, this isn't
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a makeup, Delroyd. There has not been a better performance
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: this year by a male in a movie, yes the movie, right, okay, okay,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: has not a male in a movie than him in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: The Five Bloods. What interesting thing about it is that
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Mulan it went straight to Disney Busness and I told
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: us how much money they've made so far, at least
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I've been looking. They've not told anybody how many millions
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: they made, charging people thirty dollars. It's been rumored that
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: if they get ten percent of their of their um
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: eighty million subscribers, then they can considerately go anywhere from
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars up. Like you said, Kevin, that's profit.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Oh they made They made the money because everybody watch
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it on the first week it finally opened in China,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: which is their market that they needed to open in. Right,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Bulan is showing you that like if you keep it
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: inside your streaming service and it makes it worth it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Now for these streaming services to spend that kind of money,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: they looked at and they said, oh, so we can
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: spend this kind of money. You have a blockbuster and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: people will pay for it. I guarantee you very very soon,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and Marvel will start releasing everything straight to a stream. Well,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, Disney is gonna try again with that with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Soul on Christmas. And by the way, Soul is going
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to explode. It's going to explode. I predict Soul will
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: explode and Jingle Jangle will also be amazing. The only
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: thing I worry about, especially with Soul, is there are
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: there is a large community, a large part of the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: community who isn't who doesn't have access to the Internet
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and the streaming services that would flock to the theaters
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to see that movie. But I will say this that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: if you remember when there was a Motown explosion, it
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't black folks driving it. We had lived with Motown
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: our whole life, and then all of a sudden, you
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: watch the big chill and and they're everybody's like, everybody's like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: oh my god, we love we need some Motown music
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of life, y'all. This is what my parents are playing
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: every weekend at my house. That's what I've been listening
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to all my life. So I think that it will
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: once again bring that music that you love so much,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and you'll give the kids something to watch and people
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: will watch it over and over again. If you have
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: a young kid as a parent, you already own Disney
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Plus because you're like, I can't have you sitting by
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the TV enough right now. I think it'll go now, Michelle,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you said that your favorite show was Crown, Yes, right now.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: In season four, I got a sneak peek. My favorite
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: show is Yellowstone. Okay, you know you know I'll be
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: telling telling my black friends, come on board, Come on board.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: This is the show. Yellowstone is like a Western. Kevin
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Costner is brilliant, the whole cast is crazy. The season
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: finale was a monster. I can't wait till next summer.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I'm mad. I don't get us, I don't get a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: sneak preview and Kevin, I'm gonna tell you something. Kevin Costner,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: even though he is a superstar, I still think he's underrated.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I think people give him the love he deserves with
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: you underrated series is it's it's incredible to see. That's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: where I love streaming services because it provides those unique
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: level of programming that we would normally get. And that
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: is a jewel, That is a gym. Is that sitting
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: out there to wait? So any other shows before we
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: wrap that up? You feel a flying under the radar
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that people need to know about, did you guys? Let
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: me let me just say this. Let me just say
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: it's okay. My problem is reality television and I like
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: trashy reality fiance nine other way. I don't do that.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I don't do those is crazy. Oh my god, it's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: a great show on the planet. I can't get it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can sit down and they'll get me
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: caught in a loop and then I host Married at
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: First Sight all that because I love that. I mean,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: I can't. I just it's the whole experiment of it all.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I can't get enough. But I think that if if
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I had to say a scripted series that I love
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: the most, it's Insecure because that's the neighborhood I live in,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: So it's the area where I live. She's a freaking genius.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: She's a genius, and it's just it. Yeah she does
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: and what she does though, it just it doesn't me
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: off because she know just how much to give us
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and then take it away and was sitting here like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: killing me, killing me. This last season was brilliant, like yes,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I mean Insecure is like one in the Crown, maybe
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: one a for me right now? I mean, And because
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the season of the Crown is Charles and Diana and
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: all that drama. Just I can't I can't wait for that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about Early and I can't wait for the Crown.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: It's just it's so amazing. Um, there was a show
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: ex on Hulu. Did this show Mrs America that you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: can go find on streaming? That is great. Banana is good.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Banana is good, and it's all about the women's liberation
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: movement and all the power players within that movement. It,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, it blew me away. And I came to
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the party late. Um, I came to Watchman later, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I forgot about That's what I mean. People got about
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Shirley Chisholm and Watchman. I mean Regina, Regina is can
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: we say, yeah, I'm doing my team, So I apologize,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: but I want to say this and the other thing
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that I have been telling everybody to watch is go
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: back and watch Reconstruction. Um it is a PBS Yes,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: I did. And you need to understand what happened in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the United States because as we look at this moment
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: right now, a lot of people don't understand that there
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: was an opportunity to make this right and that we
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: as a nation said no and instead went down a
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: very different course pat us to Jim Crow and segregation
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: instead of going down a course where we could have
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: shared power. And there was shared power for a couple
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of years and then everything went away. So I think
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: everybody needs to see Reconstruction so they can understand what
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: they took from people. And you can watch that PBS
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: documentary is I just recently watched it, like a couple
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: of months ago. It's so, so very good. But I'm like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a cooking show person. Oh my gosh, she cool.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Let me just say this one. I want to say
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: this right now, that it is offered to give me
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: money to cook for him every day, I have her cook.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I just said, Michelle, will you cook every day and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: bring in the food and I'll just eat it. Here.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Her gumbo and her at to fe is off the chain.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: She can make keto healthy candy and desserts. I'm just saying,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: what if. Here's what I was gonna say. I'm talking about,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: is the best show on television? Well it's on streaming
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: right now, but is the Great British Bake Off? It's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: on Netflix and it is the best show on television.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Chef's Table? Yeah, incredible. Yeah that Rodney Scott interview and
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: TUTSI interview. Can I go? Can I go? Find? I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: just want to sit at Totis table and you and like,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: please please please eight team. It's been thirty minutes and
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: we're still talking. It's been thirty minutes and uh, the
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: great part about this Who relationship. We could continue talking,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but I I I can't let you go, ras Sean.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure. And by the way, I know
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: what you and Steve and A are doing. Y'all doing
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: big things behind the scenes. You know stuff coming, it's coming,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: it's coming, and I'm going to recognize that. It was
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: a lot to be able to recognize game. I know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I know what's happening behind the scenes. I know what
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you're doing. I know what you're doing. Well you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: just aside, no man, my life is in such an
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: amazing place. And uh, I've just purchased a building in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Atlanta and just uh you know, my staff, and just
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: be talking to you guys and just talk about life
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: and from a black perspective on a major environment like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: in ertainment tonight, which is an iconic I'm just telling you,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: when I seriously say this, I'm proud of you guys,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: and you guys make a huge that because America and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here right now, you know. And I
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: see why because like you, you guys have a virtatial
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: palette of how you receive information, how you live your life.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: So when I see you talking to different people, it's
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: not even out of the norm because you guys consume information,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: crown outrageous reality shows. Then then I bring up Yellowstone,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: You know about that. Then I know about the chef table.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: You know about that. I've not bring up brought up
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: anything you didn't know about it. You know. I tell
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: everybody though, I treat entertainment because we are journalists. I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: treat entertainment news like a beat. It doesn't matter if
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: we're talking about you know, um Azerbaijan. If we're talking
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: about um, you know, Kim Kardashian. If we're talking whatever
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, like that is your beat. So I
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: treat it like politics, sports, whatever, like you get up
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: every day. I read all of the trade, understand I
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: consume all the information, and you treat it. I will
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: walk in and she'll break some stuff down to me,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: and I'll be like what I mean, like, break it down? Well,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I'm a nut like that too, And so you guys
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: have not I and I interview a lot of people,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: and so you guys are what you do, your experts
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of what you do, your beautiful people. And guess what
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: my goal now is to be interviewed on entertainment to night.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Come on all this stuff we're about to drop in
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the fourth course, Kevin Kevin stuff happening with them. I
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: know about it. I know about it. You guys be safe.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on, both of you guys, and
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: keep representing. I can't wait to see what McDonald and
• 35:53
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• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and some organs can even be donated by a living donor.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: August is National Minority Donor Awareness Months. So let's check
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: in with Dr Denay Simpson Assistant Professor of surgery at
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• 36:10
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  Speaker 1: Pit Master Rodney Scott has been cooking whole hog barbecue
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  Speaker 1: over with Coles since the age of eleven. Rodney is
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  Speaker 1: featured in netflix acclaimed Chef Table series. It is barbecue
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  Speaker 1: theme this season. In twenty nineteen, Rodney Scott opened his
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: second location in Birmingham, Alabama, The Ham. That's right, the Ham,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: bringing the Whole Hall South Carolina style barbecue and his
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: fame famous vinegar based Rodney sauce to another part of
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  Speaker 1: the South. Rodney Scott's Barbecue, Pitts, rib Cooks, Ribs, chicken, turkey,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and other classics like Cola Greens, cod slaw Ella's Banana,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: putting honor Rodney's mother. In another outpost of Rodney Scott,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Whole Hall Barbecue is set the opening historic West End
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: of Atlanta, Georgia. You know, I can't wait. That's where
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I'm based, with another in Birmanham. He's going back to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the Ham. He just loved the Ham. It is due
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: open later that year. He is all about the Whole
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Hog Barbecue. Please working the money making conversations, my man,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Rodney Scott, Hello, Hello, about lots to say about you,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: man and my son. So you know, I'm a fan
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of just food. I'm a foodie. I'm blessed to become
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: proclaimed that's an award winning baker. So and every time
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I look at food or desserts, especially cooking, and I'm
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: born and raised in Houston, Texas. So I know Bobby
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: que Bob in fact, my nephew. He has a he
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: has an award winning barbecue stand in Houston, Texas. He
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: cooks for the for the Houston Texas on the weekend.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He wanted the top box in the Houston, Texas. So
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: so you know when when he comes to barbecue, makes
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: his own sausage and everything. So so he's a military
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: veteran from the Army, So I'm so proud of what
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: he's accomlient. In fact, he called me like a few
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: minutes before this interview starting, and I felt that it
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: was it was it was ironic. He called me right
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: before I was about to start this interview with you.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: So I saw the the Netflix special that's where That's
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: why I became in love with the brand of Rodney Scott.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: So what is the brand of Rodney Scott before we
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: get started from your point of view? Uh, first of all, hello,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: everybody out there, every day is a good day regardless
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of where you are. Um, you know Rodney Scott brand.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: It started. It's basically whole hog cooking, which is over
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: hot coals and it's and it's where we burn our
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: wood down, we turned in the hot coals. We take
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the hot coals and put it under the hog and
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: we cook it for anywhere from eight to twelve hours,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: usually around twelve hours. And uh, it's it's the whole
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: brand is about bringing people together, the inspiring people, you know,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: through food and music. Music lover, I gotta admit, love
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: me some music. Now. With that being said, when I
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: when I watched these different barbecue shows, you know, it
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: seems like you guys don't do much to the meat
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: for to be great. You know, because I was talking
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: about the house man bibecure seems so complicated at my house.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But when I watch your TV, Rottney, just put that child,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Just put put the rub on it, put the vinegar
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: on it. Uh, smoke it and you're done. And then
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: everybody and then it just falls apart. Maybe because I'm
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: not doing the eight to twelve hours sessions. I'm trying
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to cook mine in two hours is what's causing the
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: difficult problems. Obviously, create a little problem on the side
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: of the proteins. Depending on the side, you definitely want
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to cook it a little while. Um, you know, you
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: run the different things. Uh, the way that we do
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: it at home. We we do sprinkle our rub on
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: and and and put put our ribs on for example.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: But you know we don't go as hot and we're
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: trying not to go as fast. About three and a
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: half four hours on those ribs, just an example. You know,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: some of the mistakes that people tend to make when
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: when they sometimes are cooking, you know, at home. Right then,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: talk to me, Talk to me, Rodney, you're talking to me.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Come on, you can personalize that. Rous this is your problem.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: So so here's what you do. You have fun with it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: You keep that confidence that you start out with, and
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: you have fun with it. You know, don't be afraid
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: to make that mistake. So don't don't brush it, enjoy it,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: smell of flowers while you're moving along, you know, don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: have a drink or to enjoy yourself while you're doing it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: That'll make it a lot easier than having a pressure
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: on what it's gonna taste like when it's done. Now,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: this isn't a big difference because I'm just uh, let's
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: talk about the Netflix series what I saw you on? Now,
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: how did that happen? And how were you chosen? Wow?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we're chosen by word of mouth. UM.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: One of one of my co workers that was with
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: us the day that I met the guys, I was exhausted.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: I was out in California cooking. I was exhausted, didn't
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: really remember a lot. And uh, we spoke to some
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: guys and you know, I'm my usual self talking and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: and later on she mentioned to me, she said, you
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: know that those guys are connected with Netflix. I'm like, oh, wow, man,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear that. And uh, I think it
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: was word of mouth that said that I was easy
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to work with and they wanted to do something. I'm like,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: really sure, And before you know what, I got the
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: call Netflix was coming in and like, yeah, how long
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: did they follow you? How long? What was the time
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: When it was just several days a day, A couple
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: of weeks to do that whole special, put it all
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: together that they could gather, to shoot the content and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the back story to pull that pull that episode off.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: To pull that episode off, it took us a total
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of two weeks. UM. It was two weeks hard work.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. Oh man, those guys
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: were so much fun to work with. UM. It was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: interesting to tell the story of barbecue, something that's so
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: important to the South. It was it felt good for
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: me to be able to tell that story through chef's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: table and and to let the world see that barbecue
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: is is something more than just things some people do
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: in their backyard, you know, to be to be on
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the same level it's fine dining. To be mentioned on
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: that same level, man, that is huge, huge, And it
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: felt good taping with these guys to tell that story.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: What you're doing, and I can tell it's one thing
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: about me I would like I said earlier. I'm born
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and raised in Houston, Texas, where you know, I grew
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: up in a black neighborhood. So barbecue is kind of
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like a writer passage. You know, barbecue. When you're good barbecue,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you really are the king of the neighborhood, you king
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: of the family. You know, you you you have a
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: certain honor. You know, you know he can cook because
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: everybody cannot cook barbecue because they you know. So tell
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: me this, Rodney, what what makes a good because you
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: kind of talk about a little bit earlier, what makes
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: a good barbecue person? And what makes a person like me,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: who shouldn't be even near barbecue because I'm impatient. I
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: wanted I want to I want to cook it like
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: a burger. You know, I want my ribs down like
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a burger. Yeah, I know that impatience. So what what
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: what makes a good barbecue person is? First of all,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: like I said, have fun with it. Try to enjoy it,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you know, trying not to carry any pressure is going in.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: And you definitely want to make sure that your timing
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: is right. You gotta have some patience when you're doing
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: it as well. When you tend to rush it, it's
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: gonna either be undercooked or it's gonna just be tough
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and you won't enjoy it. So you want to you
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: want to have some patience and have some fun and
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and and make sure you got a flavor that fits
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: your palette that you really really like, and and just
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: show it. Man, take your time and do it, because
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you know you're in the story. You're going and you've
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: got the little cold, a little black holes you can
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: get and then I see the wool, you know, talking
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: about the hickory, and and a different different flavors that
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: come if you want to smoke it, because I got
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: it all. I got the egg, you know, I got
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: that because my dad when he was growing up, he
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: get the barrel and cut it out and then cut
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: in half. You know that was my dad. Then you
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: know I'm fast. I got a little money, so I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: got the egg and all that good stuff. So I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: got the twols, the bibe que. I just don't have
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: the patience the bibe que. And so so does it
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: make a different, big difference. Like when I watched watching
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: your TV. It's just it's just so dramatic that you
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: know you're in this room with all these pits and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: all these hogs. How many? How many others? Can I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: call them ovens? Uh? What do you call those things
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that you cook? The whole hogs? And what do they call?
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I call them pits? You know some people call them smokers.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody has a different terminology. But I call
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: them pits. And uh, in in our in our Charleston restaurant,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: we have five of them that we use. And how
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: much does how many hogs go on each pit? And
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and uh, two hogs can fit in our Charleston restaurant
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: right now on each pit? And in our Birmingham restaurants
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: are our pits are not quite as big as two hogs?
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: So you can get about a hog, maybe a hog
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: and a half if you're lucky on the ones in Birmingham,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: and we have four down there. So and how many
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: pounds are we looking at a hog? Hundred seventy hundred,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: fifty hundred seventy pounds average. Every now and again we
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: may get something around two hundred pounds, you know. Yeah,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: well that's a lot of protein cooking at one. So
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you gotta have patients and enjoy the ride. That's where
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the music comes in. Absolutely. And I tell you so
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: that our country I was. My dad man used to
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: take me the country and we you know, shoot a hog,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you know, and we come back and you know, we
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: bring it back with hog head cheese. We got the
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: children's you know, we got the ham. You know that
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: hog when he came, we pig feet. We did everything
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: on that hall right at that that that hog didn't
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: walk out that house. You know what I'm saying. He
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: walked in my house. He was. The knuckles were gone,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the tails were gone, the feet, the ham, Like I said,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the chidlings. And if anybody who's ever done chillings at
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: their house know what I'm talking about. That house ain't
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: nothing right to go into okay, it's not right okay,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: because you gotta go in there and clean out them
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: in tests. And the testings are for rape for real,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: as they say, Hey, come on, my man, right there?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Do you do your chidings with white white rice? What
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: do you need your hot sauce? Oh? Man, we had
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the lady that used to make it for us, miss Margaret.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: He used to throw down and presh chent links with
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit of gravy and onions and hot man down.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: See that's that's that's the country talk. See Rody. And
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• 48:25
  Speaker 1: we're cleaning the hogs in the bath tub. He didn't blink,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: say because you know exactly that the intestines. He knew
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: exactly what I'm talking about. That's what you gotta do.
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• 48:35
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• 48:36
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• 48:40
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  Speaker 1: I'm your host, Sean McDonald right there. Now, here's the
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  Speaker 1: deal about this man. You know, you know, you're the
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  Speaker 1: first black chef to win the James Beard Award for
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Best Chef in the Southeast and only the second barbecue
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: pit master to any chef award from the Foundation. And
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: that's what you were talking about earlier when you're saying
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  Speaker 1: that you know, the elevation of barbecue to that as
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  Speaker 1: a fine dyning couisine. It's what you're talking about as
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  Speaker 1: far as the pride factor. So let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: whole James Beard and how that works and how you
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: brought into the opportunity to the win Best Chef Southeast.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Well Man, that the James Beard Award is prestigious award.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I mean for years. And the first time I went,
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  Speaker 1: I was I went as a guest, and uh, I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was the most amazing thing to see so
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  Speaker 1: many people around food and and when I came back
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  Speaker 1: home to the country, the next thing that I thought
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  Speaker 1: about was I would love to get up there one day.
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  Speaker 1: But me being in a rural area at the time,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: the only thought I had was I'm I'm gonna create
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: a mental James Beard Award if I get a guest
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  Speaker 1: that comes too, and three times that will be my
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: can walk across that stage. So it was always a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: dream like that, you know, for me. And then it
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: got to the point where we opened the restaurant here
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  Speaker 1: in Charleston in in two thousand and seventeen, and and
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  Speaker 1: and then the next thing, you know, we had a
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  Speaker 1: nomination and I'm like, wow, how do you get nominated? Well,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to get nominated, somebody has to mention it and and
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: it goes before a committee of people that you don't know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and you don't know who's watching you. So from the
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: first nomination, I felt not only proud, but I felt
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: the the obligation to deliver great food, to deliver consistent
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: food across the board every day until this announcement comes.
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  Speaker 1: Then we made the finals and I'm like, wow, we're
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: we're up here walking with us, walking with the big folks,
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  Speaker 1: you know, do this thing on the higher. Let's dress
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  Speaker 1: up phone. So now it's time to go to Chicago
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  Speaker 1: for the finals. And and you gotta get your tuch cedo,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you gotta get yourself together, and um, you know, I was, man.
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  Speaker 1: I was just happy to go and to hear your
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: name called with all of these great, great, great chefs
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: throughout the country, you know, and to be in a
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: rare group of one of the few minorities that's been
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: announced that year. It felt so amazing. Man, it was surreal.
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  Speaker 1: I still can't believe it. And that was two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eighteen. That's yeah, I'll never forget man. Wow, May
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, and uh, I remember when they called
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  Speaker 1: our category and they called my name. I didn't hear it.
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  Speaker 1: And everybody on my road had to tell me to
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  Speaker 1: get up. You know, my wife's my my my business partner,
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  Speaker 1: my brother Nick, Paul and Nicholas, all these guys they
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  Speaker 1: always travel with me. That's my family. And they had
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  Speaker 1: to tell me, get up, man, get up, you want
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  Speaker 1: and you want what what? So that walked to the
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  Speaker 1: stage was one of the most longest walks I've ever taken.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I was. It was unbelievable. I was like, oh, please,
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  Speaker 1: don't wake up before you get to the stage, because
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was dreaming mm hmm. But man, to
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  Speaker 1: around your neck, to be mentioned with like I said,
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  Speaker 1: some of the best chefs in the in the United States,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: in the world. Just to be mentioned on that level,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Man was unbelievable. Well, first of all, you look good,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and you look good and tucked. Man, you look at
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you dressed up nice man from that apron and that
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: T shirt. You look good. Billy Reid when they look
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: at really good, well, you know that. The thing about
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I've been fortunate Rodney didn't live in Houston, Atlanta, New York, uh,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, and Chicago. Chicago is a food lover's town.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: It is that city right there is you walk in
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that city if you want to get a good meal,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I don't care if barbecue, Mexican food, Italian food. Of course,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: pizza that's what it's known for. Hot dog, that's what
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it's known for. But that's a food lover's town. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: to the honor and a food lover's town is even
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: even more great and they get win a award like that.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: So what did that win in that award in teen
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: do for your brand? Man? Winning that award in twenty
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: eighteen got my brand not only more recognition, but it
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: brought us a lot more opportunity to to to go
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: and spread our love all over the place. You know,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: we traveled throughout the United States doing different events because
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: people heard of us through the award. We got a
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: chance to let people see whole hog cooking, even down
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: in Houston. You know, we we we cook. I remember
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: cooking in Houston a couple of hogs and one guy
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: came up and asked me, was it dear because they
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: were so used to be but you know, yeah, so
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: just the Beard Award got us recognized to the point
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: where we were able to do our things in different
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: parts of the United States and be recognized and people
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: knew what to expect and to be so respected through
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: our food. When it's barbecue. You know, a lot of
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: people look at barbecue is a simple backyard thing. But man,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the Beard Award changed that whole outlook for us because
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: it struck a lot of people's curiosity to say, this
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: is Beard Award winning barbecue. I have to go and
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: taste it. My man, I'm gonna tell you something. You know,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Uh now, how did the you know, when the middle
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: of the pandemic and COVID ninteen and over the divertly
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: affect African America, But more importantly, the country shut down
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: for almost two months and nobody saw that coming. So
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: how did it effect how you are doing business today
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and what's the recovery process for you in the future.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: First of all, you know the pandemic is. It was
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: pretty pretty scary, man, it still is. And and the
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: first thing we did was we we tried to protect
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: our staff, our families, um and and we we we
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: started to communicate every day my PRG Restaurant group. We
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: communicated every day on the phone with all the CDC
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: rules and everything that we can do to adjust how
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: do we keep the public fed without putting them at risk?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And we we kept in communication following CDC rules. We
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: we created sanitation lists and rules. We held all of
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: our managers and everything obligated to making sure sanitation is
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: done hourly throughout the rest run. And we we had
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: a drive through at our Charleston restaurants, so when dining
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: rooms got shut down, we were able to serve food
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: through our through our drive through to still feed people
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: that were still able to come out. And then and
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: the frontline workers and emergency workers that were out there,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: they were still able to eat. So not only that
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: barbecue travels well, so you get us, you get an
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: opportunity to reheat a little bit without destroying the quality
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: of the food. So that helped a lot of families
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: and and and first responders. You know, we offered discounts
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: to to them so they can feed their families. Our
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: staff members that we weren't able to keep on staff,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: we offered them a couple of hours a day to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: come get food. So we just continue to work. We
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: we we we thought about our staff. We weren't out
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: to make money. We're out to just maintain the best
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: we can to protect our people well. And and and
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy to I just wanted you to share
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that story because that's part of you know, when you're entrepreneur,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: a lot of people forget that you're human being too.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: And then you have people who count on you, and
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: then when they're in the moment of distress, you know
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: your or stressed, you have to be there for them
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: and then but not leave them out there. And also
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: your community, like you said, all for discounts and things
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: like that. And but that's what that's what heard a
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: lot of black businesses. And you know, because you're the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: lead entrepreneur in this business, we were not set up
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: for the technology. We are not generally set up for
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the drive throughs. And so when the pandemic hit, it
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: really affected uh minority business is overall because they were
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: not They did such business, you know, dying in business.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: That's how they made their money. Wasn't ready for the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: curb fide when ready for those elements of of change.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: But the thing that really affects me is that when
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I saw your special on Netflix, it was so human.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Now we saw how the James Beard affected your business.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: That that Netflix series The Chef Table had to be
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: on fire for your brand. Now I'm tasting man. When
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: you when you when you did that story about it,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: you know, you were celebrating, uh, your high school graduation,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: and that girl came over you said, I don't know
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: why you celebrating. All you're gonna do is go down
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the street and chop a hall for a living. And
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: then your dad woke you up at midnight. He told
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: me right after that told me, I walked away from
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: her over to him and he said, you gotta be
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: at the pit that left it and I'm like, what,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: so you know it it's all very very true, And
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: it was it was it was it was heartbreaking to
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: a teenager coming out of high school. You know what,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I can't have fun tonight. But you know, I never
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I never forgot the moment I can take you to
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the very spot. I stood what that girl said, what
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: she said to me, and I never let that escape
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: my mind because I knew that I'm gonna stay determined.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna prove her wrong. And and and every day,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: not one day goes by. I think back to that
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: moment when she said, I don't know why you ain't
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: going nowhere, And I'm gonna go right on down the
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: street and chop up me for living. That's all you
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: ever gonna be at meat chopping. That's all you were saying.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: And then but when when you but but that was
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: one of the moments. That was several moments, and that
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: when you was out there with your son, it was
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: just several great emotional moments. When I because you know,
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: because they give you an option. You know what happens
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: is on Netflix they do a trailer and I'm sitting
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: up there with my wife and because another person that
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: told me about the chef tables, you gotta wat chef
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: that was really good. That's okay, cool, so the trailer
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: came on, I watched. Now they went through everybody and
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: I went riding this God, I said, man, I gotta
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: this looks pretty. So you was the first one I watched,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and I was like, my mom was dropped, my mouth dropped.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I went, wow, Wow, I love this dude. I love him.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: He's he's on. You know. It was just it was
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: just your story was compelling, your the family aspect, your
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: relationship with your dad, your mom coming up, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: getting news story. In no words, you didn't This is
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: what I like about you, right, You didn't ask for
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: any of this, but when the opportunity presented itself, you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: went forward. Man, you were not intimidated by an opportunity.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: And a lot of people are like that. And that's
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: why I always tell people on this the show, because
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: the fact that a lot of you have to walk
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: through a lot of unknown to be successful. When I
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: say that, I mean that they're no guarantees, and your
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: story is walking through a lot of unknowns to be
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: where we are today talking about your success. Correct correct, correct, correct?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: You know a closed doll, don't get fed. I'm someone
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: finding that all the time. Tell Nick that all the time.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: A closed mouth, don't get fed. If you don't open
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: up your mouth and say what you want, that opportunity
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: is not gonna be there for you. You know, you're
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: just gonna let it pass you by if you don't,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: if you're not gonna, you're not willing to step out
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: on faith and do your thing and stay stay consistent
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: and persistent. You you know you can. It can clip
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: right by past you, and I refuse to let anything
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: slip past me. You don't. Now you're about to comment,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: because I want to get to comment on people's reaction
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: to the Chef Table specialist Aaron on Netflix after they
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: saw it. What has been the reaction? Out of this world?
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: The reaction, let me tell you the It released at
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: three am Eastern Standard Time on September second, for thirty
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: I think I had messages on my phone. I had
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: messages from Australia. I had messages from uh Russia, Rue, Germany, Switzerland,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: the UK, and and and everything on Instagram. The message
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: requests they've they've been out of this world. And and
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not ignoring your request. I'm trying
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: to get to him. I'm trying, but it's been out
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: of this world. Sales at the restaurant line out the door.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: People have been people have shown so much love, they
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: have been grown men and women approached me with tears
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: in their eyes. Old my story, you told my story.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: We're gonna do the same thing. Uh. Weird, weird calls
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: at times, and you don't know me, but I got
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: your number from such and such and I They would
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: say the first name, but they would just say how
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: much the story touched their lives. It's it's been unbelievable
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: all the way around, you know, business wise, personal wise,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: and and it inspired so many people to come out
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and say that they're having tough relationships with their families
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: and they want to do something about it. So it's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it's been. It's been over over the top, man, it's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: been absolutely great. I'm enjoying every second of being able
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: to see somebody and say that you helped me, you
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: change my life. I'm gonna tell you, man, my father
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: was a truck driver, kind of like your father. You know,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: this way it's gonna be. This is why I've been,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: this is the way we've been doing. This way it's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: gonna be. And this is why it's gonna be. After
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I leave this Earth because that's where he set the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: rules in place. And so I just I'm gonna tell you, man,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I watching the show, and it's just speaking honest, is that? Uh?
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: I just Rodney Scott brand. I fell in love with
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the family man, I fell in love with the son.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: I fell in love with the entrepreneur. I fell in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the the I don't give up spirit. I'm not afraid
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: to try something new. I'm not afraid to travel. I'm
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: not afraid to understand that God has something in store
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: from me. And when it comes to me, I'm gonna
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: be waiting and I'm gonna put the work in to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: make sure it happens. That's what people saw in that story, man,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: And it's just one of the great great um individual
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: moments of watching something on television. You're going, this is
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: great storytelling because they told your story, right, they really did. Yeah.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: That that story of my life, man, And and I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: just hope that everybody that watches it learn from it
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: and stay inspired by it. You know, don't don't feel
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: don't feel down because things are not happening to you
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: the way that you wanted to. You know, your turn
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: coming just sits now. My turn is coming because you're
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: supposed to be coming to Atlanta here with some boby
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: que My brother tell us about the expansion talk and uh,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: how's everything going down in the ham and uh? And
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: why is there a desire to expand the brand? Man?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: The desire to expand the brand has been a childhood dream. Um.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I heard I heard T. D. Jake say the Colonel
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: have chicken and he got so blessed and it spread
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: all over the world and I said, we got hugs,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: and Uh. To expand the brand man was was the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: personal dream. And Uh, me and Nick, we we talked
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: a lot about expansion and he asked me and I
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: told him, and Atlanta was one of the stops. And
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to come to Atlanta. I remember reading about
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Atlanta in the eighties and Everny magazine that city was
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: growing so fast and I was like, wow, man, Atlanta,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: where is that? You know? And finally got an opportunity
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: to be a part of it. And I'm excited about Atlanta.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Birmingham as well. We're coming into Birmingham expanding that the
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: That place is just one of the most beautiful cities
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. It's it's a city, but it feels
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: like a small town. You know, you still receive a
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: lot of love. You can feel a love in that area.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: And and and I just I drive to Birmingham all
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: the time and not just for work, and I just
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: loved the area. Well, I gotta get your more boar
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: Ricky smile. That's Rickie smiling country there, Burma. That's big Hey.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: I gotta put him on the radio show. But we
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: get smiling man. He probably don't know you in the hand.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta hook this up, man, because my
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: own thing is that is that is as a brand
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: and watching you grow as a as a business year
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: James Beard Award winner, you know your your barbecue's outstanding.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: You're expanding that. Tell us a little bit about your partner.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: You mentioned his name several times because he was really
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: key until you becoming the brand that you are today.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: And how did that relationship come about? That relationship relationship
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: with my partner, my brother came about in two thousand,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: I think it was ten nine or ten. We met
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: and uh, we're introduced by mutual friends and and we
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: we did an event together called the Smoke Downer here
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: in Charleston for Charleston Wine and food. And that night
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: we talked and I said, this, dude's really funny. Man,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: you know the great conversation. Seems to be a smart businessman.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: And we just we we formed a relationship from the
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: first night that I did this event up into the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: current day. You know you're talking about this is my
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: best man at at my wedding. You know, this is
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: the guy if I need to talk to somebody, I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: can call him up. And he mentioned these opportunities to
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: me and I'm like, yeah, you know, dude, I know you.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: I've seen your hard work, I've seen your efforts. I've
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: seen your success, and yeah, I guide me showby tell
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: me what you know and I'll tell you what I know.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: And together, man, we we we learned from each other constantly.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: We listened to each other constantly. He shows me things,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: I showed him things, and we're constantly talking and communicating.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: And he's been a very very big part on me
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: opening the first Ridingey Scott here in Charleston, right right
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: down the street. Well, you know, my whole thing is that, um,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you're a pit master. You're a keen pitt master. If
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: you haven't seen the special on Netflix, it's called the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Chef's Table. Um, they have a trailer, they have a
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: number of other really good episodes, but I'm only here
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to talk about Rodney Scott. That's the episode change my
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: my take on what it means to bobbecue. And I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: know a lot of great bobbycue My boy Kevin Blood,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: so he's my boy out of l A less bobbecue
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: you got, but nephew down in Houston, Texas, he's a
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: bad bobecue. But Rode this guy. Neither one of them
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: are James Beard Award winning pit Masters. Okay, congratulations my brother,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know when you come to Atlanta, you
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: know we're gonna keep this relationship going and all that
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and everything. But again, I just wanted to bring you
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: on my show, My Money Making Conversation, tell your story.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: We're gonna promote this a lot and get the word out.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Do you have do you do you ship your meat
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: or do you shipping your food or it's everything just
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: at the stores. We're not shipping right now. Everything is
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: at the stores. We're shipping our retail products. Were um,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: we're shipping our sauces, our t shirts, has our rubs,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: we're shipping those right now. And Uh, we're we have
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: a book coming out spring one, Um, Rodney Scott's World
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: of Barbecue. Every Day is a good day. Uh, that's due.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: You can pre order that on Amazon and uh we
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: we we were excited to share what we got with
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the world. Right now, you have to come and see us.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: But hey, we're working on You're trying to put one
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: in your back. You know you and you in Australia,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: man in Russia, they won't want something besides a little
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: T shirt there by friend, But again, but get you
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: always got me excited about that songs because you know
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: your boy don't know nothing about no Bob ques. So
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: at least I can start with that song and that
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: rub that you're selling down there and get that right
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: on my meat and we can get rollers and dude,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: at least get that egg working right and then then
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: take my time, take my time, take my time. Yeah,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: take your time on that egg, take your time back
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: the top about halfway and get that baby at about two.
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  Speaker 1: speak to and Walker. That's a big to him. She's
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  Speaker 1: She is the vice president and chief creator at the
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Walker as a
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  Speaker 1: music level, a contemporary bohemian with an old soul. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: young pie coming room and go. Maybe she teamed, but
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  Speaker 1: she talked like she forty. That's that's but you know,
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk to her. We're talking like she like she
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  Speaker 1: Secily Tyson on the show The Day. That's our soul,
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  Speaker 1: that's our spirited and she is in the nanties at
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  Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And Walker develops
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  Speaker 1: informative immersive exhibits celebrates the diversity of musical oppression during
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  Speaker 1: this period of civil unrest. Music has this role, especially
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  Speaker 1: from a historical specter. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations
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  Speaker 1: and Walk Up and woosaw is that right? Up? Once
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Oh my gosh, I'm honored to me. This
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: is crazy. Just listening to the intro, I'm like, damn, alright.
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  Speaker 1: But I have been like you know, and I've interviewed.
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  Speaker 1: I've been fortunate and blessed with the show because I've
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: been doing it and interviewed a lot of great people.
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  Speaker 1: And when the name starts popping up, if you didn't
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: interview and walk up, man, she on fire. I said, okay, cool, okay,
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  Speaker 1: But then everybody kept you know know she you know
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  Speaker 1: she got that old spirit, you know she you know
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  Speaker 1: she's young, but she talked like about you know, she
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  Speaker 1: tells about that old who soul and this young body
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  Speaker 1: and talk about that and why people why people are
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  Speaker 1: are so engaged with your person. Now, I know that's
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: that's a lot to say, because you know, your your
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: spirit wasn't was designed to just talk about yourself. But
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: when people talk about you, you have to be delivering
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: something to them that made them excited and made them
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: respectful to make you a recommendation. That's all you wanted.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: If you want people to recommend you, to that's like
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: a good that's like a credit reference, right, So credit
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  Speaker 1: reference right, So talk about it being the vice president
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  Speaker 1: chief curator because I'm that's a big word, curator. We're
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: gonna get to that word in a minute. But just
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  Speaker 1: tell me why people think so much of in Waka.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, I again honored m to be
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  Speaker 1: on this call and to be speaking with you. UM,
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  Speaker 1: I you know what, I'm just gonna leave it as
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: UM it's a guiding me. I'm just gonna leave it
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  Speaker 1: at that because I don't have the full answer for that.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: But UM, I know I'm passionate about my work. And
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: I can definitely blame that on my parents. UM, both
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: my mom and dad hard workers, entrepreneurs, UM, very strong
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  Speaker 1: work ethic, and that is what powers me. That's what
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: feels me. So you know, I'm all about the work
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: and let's just get it done. And UM having an
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to create and put out different, um, a number
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: of different exhibits with different varying topics. UM, you know,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: probably that's what people are feeling. But definitely the passion.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: So I'm sure that that's what folks are feeling. And
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: music really is about passion. I know that I didn't.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't I couldn't read, but I knew that I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: knew my mom's favorite music. That's boy he can't read.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: But you know about Johnny Taylor because I knew that
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I could just see the words that get put on that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: So I didn't know that said Johnny Taylor, but I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: knew those are the words you put together. That was
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: my mom and dad's favorite music. And so because music
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: plays that role and it means so much to us,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: what does it mean to you? Gosh, music is definitely
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: a lifeline. Mus what you said, you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: speak the same language, you don't need to read. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Music is just one of those things where you know
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: you are, you are moved the power of music. We
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: hear these slogans, um, and it can sound cheesy at times,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: but to truly feel the power of music, I'm gonna
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: makes you cry, dance, laugh, I want to hit somebody.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you got you got all kinds of range
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: of emotions. But music is just so powerful and I
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: love that. That is truly the universal language. It really
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: is what connects us. It doesn't matter where you from,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: what walk you're walking. Um, that's what I love about music.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: I mean the messages that are just in the in
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: the music. That's what this is inspiring to me. Even
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it's really interesting that, you know, because I look at
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: my life, you know, and uh, you know, I look
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: at how music has played a role and degrees in mathematics,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: and I can always remember a radio is important to me.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: And and then as I was too on the road
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  Speaker 1: and stand up comic, are certain song who just keep
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: me awake, you know, keep me Bruce Hornsby's at that
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: first album he put out, the Grace Land by Paul Simon,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: you know those those songs, uh, you know. And and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: now I got my Pandora, and I've just got if
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: you listen to my Pandora. I got from Kim to
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin to h to uh to uh Bruce Springsteen,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: you know, to you know that that to me. And
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: then I got you know, flow ride of my House.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I got you know, I rise,
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  Speaker 1: you know all your damn you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: So and so that's to me. When I listened to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: my when I when I go through that whole realm,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: I got Patty on there and and I just go
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: and I got I got Willie Hut show there. You know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just, it's just, it's just it's so important.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you create a creator the rock and
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame, that's like the mecca where every everybody,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: every artist who's gun music wants to get there, like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the Basketball Hall of Fame, like the they want to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: get there, right and you want to get airp and curator.
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  Speaker 1: Explain that, Explain that role, and then explain if there
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: are pressure, what is the pressure being that person? You know,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I I'm still pinching myself. So this is a recent
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: promotion that happens for me as the rock hall. And again,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: just to be a curator to your point, withere Sean,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: as you were saying, just to even work at the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and um be a
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: curator there, really, I mean it was a dream. I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: didn't even know. I had to be quite honest, you know,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: So to be there, I mean we are running the narratives.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: Were as curators what curators do. We're writing the stories.
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  Speaker 1: We are the storytellers. You know, you have filmmakers who
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: are sharing stories, you have novelists who are sharing stories.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Will curators tell that story in the physical space, regardless
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: of it's an art museum to a music museum, And
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: so I'm happy to be there to shift UM the
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: narratives to UM provide even more inclusion about amazing musicians
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: and you know, and just to do that work. So
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: it really is my citadel. I watched the Game of
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Thrones and I just really I'm honored, like it's my
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a mister in the citadel. Like
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: it's just such an honor. The collection UM is just
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: beyond dope. I mean, going over jeez, over thirty thou
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: forty thousand different artifacts collected UM. They're so impactful of
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: musical history UM, to the fabric of who we are.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's you know, I'm kind of going all
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: over the place. I'm just excited about the thing about
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: it is that no you're not because you were. You
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: walk in and you and heaven. You know, it's like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: it's actor no different than I'm sure when they put
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: the African American Museum together. There's so many writings and
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: its cry so made you emotional, song made you. I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: can't believe this. I didn't know. And that's why I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: started our conversation just talking about music in general, because
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: you can't have this job being a singular thought person.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I just like country, I just like a rock,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I just like rap. You have to have a palette
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: of music. That's like I was talking about, you know,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm a toothpod guy. You know what
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, but I listened to Snoop too,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: you know, I know, like I said, a great selt
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: the album. You know, you can call me al. I
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: can just remember that video or Chevy Chase and Paul Simon,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: like is playing on TV right now today. You know,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: you gotta be born in the USA, you know, you know,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: you got to be able to understand that's just some
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: of the songs, but it's even deeper than that. And
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: so that's what you're being, you know, a person of color.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: People can question whether you should be in that position, absolutely,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I will. I mean a number of experiences, UM,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: but one of them rings out so potently for me.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I've started my career, my curating career, UM, a museum
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: career for that fact, at the Grammy Museum in Los Angeles,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: and UM, you know, there was an exhibit specifically. I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: remember it right now, what's called the Sounds of Laurel Canyon,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: California Dreaming and that you know, you're talking about Buffalo
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Springfield and Joni Mitchell, and I mean you're hitting on
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: all of these really phenomenal bands, um, predominantly white bands, um.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And you know, doing my research knowing the photographers who
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: were the key players with this movement. But I remember,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: I will not forget there was a writer who came
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: in and like, you know, number one, they were looking
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: for Waka. My name is kind of ambiguous, so like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: who is Waka? Where is she? I'm never looking for
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: a Japanese woman. One that was already that was like okay,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: now I'd be black, um, and why not know him
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: as Japanese? Got to be Japanese. That's so hey, we
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: all connected from the continent. So they're looking for a
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: Japanese woman, um, and they find out that I'm black,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: and so the feedback was just like damn um while
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: and so even to your intro, like, wa, so you've
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: curated this Laurel k And exhibit and you're black. And
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: I was about thirty or twenty nine or something at
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: that point, Okay, there we go fifty in spirit and
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: that's when that came out, and that's how that was manifested.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's just you know, I like,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: I like I like having an ambiguous name. I like
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: if people can't tell if I'm a male or female
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: or you know, like, I love that. Um, just lets
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: the work speak for itself. So they aim not knowing,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: oh I was a black woman. Um. They came because hey,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: this is a dope topic and it's timely for that time,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: you know, for that period. Um, but let's just check
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: it out. But yeah, yeah, let's just check it out
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: because this is interesting. It's really amazing when I you know,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: when I say that, I find so much fun. You know,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: first of all your energy and you came so you know,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: so I know the people I talked to that they
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: have personalities and they're very opinionated people. When they say, man,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: you need to talk to she's your fire. So we
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: just stocked. Can we can interviewing you? I gotta hit
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: it all that out, Okay. So yeah, so when when
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I look at when I look at you, you said
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: you started at the Grammy Museum. Okay, tell us about
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: your you know, because the people want to know how
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: you get these gigs? You know, what did you? Can
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: you sing? Can your your spoken word? Artists? Can you
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: play an instrument? Once you agree? When did you go
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to college major in music or art? What are those
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: key things that got you in this position after the
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Grammy Museum and now at the Rock and Roll Hall
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: of Fame as the vice president and curate. Chief's a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: c C at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Just keep people just see her? Who's that the chief curator? Okay,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: oh my god? Well the longest short um is essentially
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: I just will say is my title thing is just
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: stepite out of your comfort zone. Um. I had no idea. Again,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: I'm a daughter of an immigrant mother from the South,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: like I had no idea what a curator was. So
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: that was not my initial aspiration. Nor did I truly
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: understand the the impact of museums, you know, at a
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: younger age for someone to say, hey, you know, I'm
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: going in as a back you know, as an undergrad
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: with museum studies, it was not. That was not me. Um.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: So again my passion just for music in general, not
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: having access to it because I grew up in a
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: very Pentecostal home where we were only listening to gospel music.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe some maybe some James Brown, you know
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: some obviously, some supremes, a lot of motown um in general.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: So I was able to at least be introduced to
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: these foundational musicians in our music. Come on, you know
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: my dad look cute my dad being Nigerian, we got
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: to Bob Marley of course and say line all of these,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: you know, because we're gonna do it like a name
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: that tune in a minute that you know what I'm saying.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: I might hurt you, I might don't get yourself hurt.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Don't don't hurt read um. But you know, I'm just
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: truly stepping out of my comfort zone. Is is how
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: I got started at the Grammy Museum, from you know,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: stepping up to volunteering myself to curate my first exhibit,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: which is called hip Hop a Cultural Odyssey, and just
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: to really launch out and reach and connect different artists
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: and UH managers and publicist. This is a whole business.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: When you're working in a music museum, it's interesting because
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: you know your foot is in the music industry to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: an extent, in your foot in the museum world. Um.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: So so I love that that makes things so interesting. Um.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: So to grow in that and just learn and working
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: with such a prominent organization like they're Recording Academy, Um, definitely,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: you know now looking at it, I mean because I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: did not write this script, um, but looking at it now,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: to be at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: is such an honorable UM progression in my career. And
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just look. I started out in the box office,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: working part time, okay, um I okay, so that's the
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: real you know, the real deal. And I was like, damn, okay,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: so I can I do this and love music as
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: much as I do? Like so yes, I do think
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: play a mean old tambourine. Don't have any come on
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: on your show and do that you have to ruing
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: me onside that a thing. But you know, starting out
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: just taking chances. I I had no idea what the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Grammy Museum had to offer, but again put it in
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: the work, starting from the bottom, hustling and growing and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: seeing how how the institution works, how it's built, um
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: and seeing that from the doors. Um, I think I
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: had the best of you in that institution from um
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: from being a ticket taker so that was really interesting.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Like I had the ticketmaster background and knew how to
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: build shows and all of that. So again just utilizing
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: all of my talents then my passion for the music,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: passion for education, UM, all of those things were able
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: to be UM used in one place. And that's why
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, this is this is the thing,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: This is it for me. All of the other ideas
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: that I thought I had for myself UM kind of
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: went up the windows. You know. I wanted to be
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: an attorney. I wanted to be an entertainment lawyer. And
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I still get to deal with um lawyers
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and attorneys all the time, with the states and dealing
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: with contracts, so I get to you know, scratch that itch,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: you know. UM. The music part again that's daily UM.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: But there's just so much that I get to do
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: in this role and I'm honored and really in the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: education component of it. Was excited to share my path
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: and my journey with youth to know that, you know,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: you don't have to know everything, you don't know need
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: to know what you want to be leaving college, leaving
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: right out of high school or whatever it is, and
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: especially in today's climate, but to know that you can
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: find a career in a museum or um. You know,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: in these odd odd places, in these unique jobs. There's
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  Speaker 1: when I interview people, are I look at my life,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because it starts someplace why these people forces
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: need to be heard. And my minor in college and
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: my degree is in mathematics, My miner was in sociology,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: sociology and that Dee and I always tell people that
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: sociology changed my life, you know, because of the fact
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  Speaker 1: that it made me realize what why we're all fighting
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: right now? That so much was denied educationally in my
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: high school career, in my middle school with it just stopped,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: you know. They know when they brought us over a slave,
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: they freed us and then they swung forward to Brown
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: versus a board of education. Then they went to mar
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Luther King. He got assassinated. That was it. That was
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: our black his t and that's how that was our
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  Speaker 1: black participation in this country according to the people who
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: allowed that information to y'all because they didn't want to
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: let anybody know how we were mistreated like and that's
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: what the that's why I respect about the Jewish community.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: They got their story told the Jewish people. They're telling
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: their story that they're letting everybody know what the Germans did.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And with the Holocaust world, don't you don't you try
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: to bask this. Y'all did this to us? And so
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: what's happening with the blacks in America? And when you
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: when I took that, it brought me the tears. I
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: realized I didn't know. I didn't know because nobody allowed
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: that information to be shared with me. Come and so
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: whenever I meet a fellow sociology major minor person, it's
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: a certain kindship because guess what, you know what I know,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: You know the pain that I'm talking about, you know
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: the anger. Then I'm talking about the disappointment I have
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: to say in the American educational system denying information. Come
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: on now, and that's true. And then and then when
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: you look at it, too. I'm like, the role that
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: we play and what we do in society is really
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: to just be truth tellers, to really break the truth
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: and whatever it is. I mean, that's mean us the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: most to be to be a reflection of the times.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: And that's why I love her. We can break it.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: Let's do it. You can't have the wine with it,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: but you know, and and it's and it's so true.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, whatever your career path is, be be an
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: activist in that. And that's where it's like, hey, we
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: can change the theretor we can share stories that have
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: never been told, or highlight musicians whose stories aren't out there,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: the Laverne Bakers of the world. I mean, let's share
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: those stories. Let's talk about those stories. And to be
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: able to do that like you're doing through your show,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: to do that in a museum like the Rock and
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: Roll Hall of Fame or the Grammy Museum or whoever,
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: the Smithsonian, it's it's an honor to write that history
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: that people can then go back and have another and
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  Speaker 1: a fresh perspective based on something that you were able
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: to introduce. I think that's powerful. Well, it's talking to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: you is powerful. We're talking to you know why why
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: I started this show. Every interview I go, I get
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: more relaxed, I get more honest about because you know,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: you start an idea. Everything starts with an idea. You
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: don't know if people are buying too and and people
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, I remember I first started the show.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: You know, I didn't know if they was calling me
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: because they know I knew famous people like Steve Harvey.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: I was managing them or the calling because rus Sean McDonald.
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  Speaker 1: They wanted to hear, they wanted to buy into what
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  Speaker 1: that people are understanding my message is about them. You know,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: you're the star, you know, but you know, but it's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: a start in different lane because everybody used to the
• 1:30:46
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• 1:30:49
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• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: that the people who we call the movies and the
• 1:30:55
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• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: and the people who consider the star still on first class,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: you know, And that's how business is. I'm talking to
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  Speaker 1: Reset to Stay, I'm talking to the vice president and
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  Speaker 1: chief career curator I called r c C at the
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Cleveland. You know, see,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: I will just tell you all this. I'm just catching
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  Speaker 1: a few days ago after she said, yes, you're right.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: How you know all that stuff? How you know? Because
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: I said, I know we can see you all. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the person proclaiming you as the next big
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  Speaker 1: star in this, in this, in this when I say
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  Speaker 1: you know the next step is president? You president? You
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  Speaker 1: no more. You know what I'm saying. And I like
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: it because she got two titles, you know what I'm saying,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: just because she get bored of being a VP. Just
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: be a chief creator? Right? Que what doing over him?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Chief creators in the room. So so let's let's tell
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: everybody what her chief creating. It's not some some some
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  Speaker 1: contraption in your kitchen to make break Okay, it's not
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: a blacker if you can buy on late night TV. Okay,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: what is a it's not a vital mix, uh juicer?
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: What is it? Creator? Oh my god, get yourself. Yes,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: But essentially the Webster Dictionary term for a curator is
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: truly just the keeper of the collect and or the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: custodian of the museum. So I'm overseeing the entire territorial
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: Affairs division and so that's from our library and archives UM,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: into our collections, into our curators and preparators. And I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: mean it's a it's a team that makes all of
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: this move and work. So UM, I advantaging that team,
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: overseer of that UM and making sure that you know
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: the narratives and the stories, the artifacts that we collect
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: UM are relevant, are powerful, UM, and are making sure
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  Speaker 1: that we're keeping the museum UM moving forward, keeping the
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  Speaker 1: community moving forward, keeping our perspectives moving forward. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: again honored to be in this role, like to be
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: a gate keeper even is just an honor. So so yeah,
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: that's that's my job as as chief curators. How I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: would define it, how I would define it now that
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: I don't came down. You got me tackling over here.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: I need for water, water, Okay, Uh, your latest exhibit
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: has been said, all alone has been said along with
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: voices of rage, hope, and empowerment. Share with us you
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: know what that is about and why it's important because
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: when we started out talking about the importance of music
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: and and he was like you said, walking in, how
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: do you get the information? How do you how does
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: information come to you? Our records come to you, or
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: guitars coming to you or jackets coming to you. Because
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: all this is a part of the process of what
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: should be in the in the museum and why it's
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: important to putting the museum because aren't you kind of
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: like limited on your space because the building is a
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: certain size. And then you say, okay, I'm stuck. What
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: do I what? I put it? I just put it
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: on video? Now how do you continue to grow your brand? Right? Um?
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: You're completely what thousand percent correct that we have a
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: finite space of what we can you know, exhibit in
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: the museum. UM, A finite number of galleries in the
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: museum and a growing collection, UM, which is absolutely beautiful
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: to have a you know, a solid permanent collection that
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: can help to tell tell a story like it's been
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: set all along. Um, I was really grateful to be
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: able to just pull artifacts from our collection that have
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: either never been on display before UM or to you know,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: go out and look for new artifacts to help UM
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: further the conversation with newer artists who are making music
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: now and who are are new UM crooners and culture
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: shifters of today UM and to continue to tell that story. So,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: you know, in this world, in this co curating through COVID,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: as I call it UM, which is something that we're
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: all doing. UM is recurating how we people so to
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: do things virtually now. Virtual exhibits, you know, was something
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: that museums played with, but it's now something that we're
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: having to rely more heavily on just because you know,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: tourism is down, museums are closed UM permanently or you know, temporarily,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: So we have to find new ways of reaching our audience.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: So to go beyond the gallery states, to go beyond
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: ten thousand square feet or seven thousand square feet UM
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: and make it virtual where the globe can see the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: work and and learn from it and be inspired and
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: moved by it. That's really powerful. So we are shipped
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: into a more digital UM experience that we create for
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: our visitors. UM, but you did ask me about it's
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: been set all along voices of rage, hope, and empowerment,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: and that really was birth out of I'm calling it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: is our civil rights of this new millennium, you know,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: with the civil rights movement of UM, where you know,
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: the killing, the murders of you know, black bodies. Let's
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: just call it what is UM, you know, the murders
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: of black bodies. The musicians who have risen to the
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: occasion to lend their voice and put their bodies on
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: the line UM, musically, UM, putting their careers on the
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: line by speaking up and speaking out during such a
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: critical time, UM, and to continue to pass on those
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: messages and narratives that inspired this new generation. Because when
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: you look at it historically, in every war, going back
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: to civil wars, revolutionary the musicians, the bands always went
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: out first. Those trumpets and those horns were facing the soldiers,
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: those people who are on the front line. The music
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: was always a part of the narrative. It is a
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: part of our cultural ships. Like every revolution has a soundtrack.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: So from Martin Luther King having marching arm and are
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: with Navid Staples or the Staples singers or you know
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Isaac haves being in the mix or whoever I mean
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: from the music, Come on, I mean the whole thing. Um.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: Music has always played a curs So to anyone who
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: I say, who wants to diminish that, Um, you gotta
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: be blind and disillusions. I mean. So that's why this
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: exhibit is called It's been dead all along, highlighting black
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: voices who have been speaking out about injustice and inequality
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: and for equal rights. One of the things that I
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: love about managing our collection and being so new to
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: Cleveland into the rock Hall, is that I'm discovering things
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: maybe that um, the staff may have forgotten about or
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: you know, they may have seen it, so it's fresh
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: to me. UM. So that's really nice to pull out
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: these things that are in our vault. Um. We have
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: these beautiful lyrics written by James Brown. We always typically hear,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: you know, say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: We don't hear the other ants. Um don't open up
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: the door for me, or you know, I don't need
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: nobody to open up the door. I don't just get
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: it myself. You know, we have the lyrics we have,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: I don't need nobody to I don't need you even
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: do this for me. So, I mean we have those
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: lyrics that those are affirmations, those are messages of of um, strength,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: of rage, of hope, empowerment, and so that's where I
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: wanted us to, you know, we go through these transitions
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: of rage, hope, and empowerment and still come out resilient. UM.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: The photos that are even on display in this exhibit
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: are primarily from black photographers UM, some who people may know,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: some who they may not, including Chuck Stewart UM who
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: is phenomenal UM who shot the album cover for Gil
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: Scott Hearing and for that single The Revolution will not
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: be televised. I mean they're uh, girls, don't come on now,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you some just you make me mad, girl,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: I wanted just following your riding, won't be like, oh,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: you're a little bit black man on your show, just
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: walking up h and mark a turn right? Turn right? Girl? Girl?
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: Who are you talking? Nobody's nobody. I can't let you
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: in here. They find out you on my shoulder, They're
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: gonna knock you off because every time you talk, I'm
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: just oh that song, I'm just dropping the word a
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: lyric oh year because girl that that's that is a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: beautiful thing to be part of history, living history and
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: being able to right. No, it's it's absolutely beautiful. So
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: it is it is, you know, a celebration of the past.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: But while we are also looking at the musicians, the songwriters,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: the creators of the future UM to you know, be
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: inspired by their work as well. So that's you know
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: essentially what that exhibit is. But it was it was
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: such a powerful thing to do, UM, you know, during
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: that time. And it's a great way again to to
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: make sure that these artists are continued to be talked
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: about in these institutions, in in the Rock and Roll
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, UM again, holding holding voices and holding
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: leaders accountable. I mean, these stories and narratives should always exist, um,
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: within our institutions. So I'm doing my due diligence as
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: as c C show people who don't know, the people
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: who don't know, but to make sure that these stories
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: are are always in the narratives. Because the important thing
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: that you said, like as you said, not knowing about
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: UM these important moments in our history and learning about
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: them at school and your undergrading your sociology and your
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: acro studies and from you know what we're talking about.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: When you started you go for real, it was it
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: was like it was, it was, it was. It was
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: tragic information for me because I was one of these
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: guys who were read smart, know at all guys, And
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you kidding me, You got to be kidding.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: You just gotta be allowed. This can't be so. It
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: is so much information that is denied of everybody, White people,
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: his fantics, Blacks, especially then when you're here being told
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: to you go or this some black stuff, some some
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: faith news. Ain't know way black people did all this,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: and they go, we did, we did, we did, And
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: to see that I have a beautiful, as they said,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: black queen up there. The Vice President a K. A c. C.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Creator at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: I know you've been to Slimmers. I gotta go to Slimmers.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Get you some sandwiches up there. That's why I mean,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get low. See what I'm saying, That's what
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: I mean. As soon as this pandemic, I'm gonna get on.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: I ain't apply Cleveland too much together to do with that,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get up there. The Cleveland but now
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: now the weather, now the weather is taking a turn.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, I love cold weather. I
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: lived in Chicago five years. I got closed that I can't.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I'm in Atlanta now I got closed. They just sit,
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: they just sitting like they just sit in my closet
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: because I have no reason to put them on right
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: now because the weather. Oh yeah, but Cleveland, I step
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: on the plane, people look at me like, I'm oh,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: he's just he ready, he ready, he ready for everything,
• 1:43:37
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  Speaker 1: Making Conversation. Dr George C. Fraser. Oh God, bless you.
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  Speaker 1: Good to hear you. I love the I've always I've
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  Speaker 1: Sean mcdonalth. I just thought myself to be a little
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• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: even Lebron. But you, Michael Jordan, John Fraser, understand that
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  Speaker 1: we all respected in this business of entrepreneurship because you
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: all know, like now entrepreneurs are some almost become a fad,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: just like the worry branding has become a fad. But
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: you know, you started this whole networking in a relationship
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  Speaker 1: before it was even vogue. Talk about the high wars
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: when we started the Fraser Networking and now how it
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: is now, especially with social media being so prevalent in
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: the process of networking. Yeah, that's that's an excellent point
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: where sean. Social media has helped all of us to
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  Speaker 1: stay connected, to get connected, uh and to leverage more
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: effectively our collective resources and intellectual capital. And uh so
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  Speaker 1: I love it. It has really helped to spread the
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  Speaker 1: word about economic development and wealth creation. That's helped us,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, to understand the rules for for financial success.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, actually, there are three basic rules. There are
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  Speaker 1: three basic rules, uh that will if you're looking for
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  Speaker 1: financial freedom, if you follow these three basic rules, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that you can go wrong. Rule Number one,
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  Speaker 1: your rent or mortgage should be less than what you
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  Speaker 1: make in a week. I cannot tell you how many
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: black people are house for your rent or mortgage should
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: be no more than you make in a week. So
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: if you have a two household income, you combine the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: income for a week, and your rent or mortgage should
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: be no more than that. That's number one. Number two,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: only borrow money to make money. So yes, you can
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: borrow money to buy a house, because if you keep
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: your house, it is going to make money. There's nothing
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. If you're borrowing money to buy a car,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: unless you're turning that car into a useful and utilitary
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  Speaker 1: and tool to help you make money, get back and
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  Speaker 1: forth to work, or do whatever you need to do. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's a good thing, but it's a depreciating asset, Rashan,
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  Speaker 1: because the moment you buy that car, if you turn
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  Speaker 1: that car around and try to take it back to
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  Speaker 1: the dealer to get what you paid for, you would
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  Speaker 1: not get it on the floor. That's right, exactly the
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  Speaker 1: same thing with diamonds, Rushan. You can buy you a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful diamond bracelet if you turned around and try to
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  Speaker 1: sell it back to the jewel, but what you just
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  Speaker 1: paid for it, you will not get it. So borrow
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: money to make more money and figure out whatever you're
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: borrowing money for. How are you going to get something
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  Speaker 1: in return for your investment. And that's what you expect.
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  Speaker 1: You expect a return on your investment. That's that's number
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  Speaker 1: two and number three. This is d As your income increases,
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  Speaker 1: your cost of living should decrease. Was stay the same.
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  Speaker 1: Stop living brothers and sisters above your means. Stop living
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: which means you're spending more than your earn. Stop believing
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: even within your means, which means you're spending everything you
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: earn um and live below your means and invest the rest. Right,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: so as your income increases, your cost of living should
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: either decrease or stay the same. Do not raise your
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: costs of living because you've got to raise. Take that
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: difference between what you were earning and what you're now earning,
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  Speaker 1: and invested. Don't spend it. And the first person you
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  Speaker 1: invest in is you. Ties to you first. Take the
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: money off the top, don't spend what you have to
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: spend to pay your bills, and then invest what you
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: got left. No no, no, no no no no, invest
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  Speaker 1: in you first, and then uh. If you follow these
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  Speaker 1: three rules, there's no way that you cannot land on
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  Speaker 1: financial freedom. So that's that's that's what we are talking
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: about financial freedom because we really, we really found out
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: how free we were not doing this covid NT especially,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: we're showing the six habits that will keep us broke.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: There's six habits that will keep you broke. Right, not
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: talking about money right not We don't talk about it
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  Speaker 1: in school, We generally don't talking about it around the
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: family table. That will keep you broken. You've got to
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: talk about money, Understand capitalism, understand money. So Talking about
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: money will help prevent you from keeping broke. Talking about
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: it around the family table, talking about it among your friends.
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  Speaker 1: It's more important than what what's happening on Real Housewives
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  Speaker 1: of Atlanta. Okay. Number two failing to build and emergency fund. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we've all been taught that we need to save some
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: money for a rainy day. Well, this is going to
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: be a rainy two years. This pandemic, now, how everybody
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: can relate to this? This pandemic has changed our whole
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: financial mindset in terms of what we needed to have
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: put back for a long rainy day and what we
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: actually had put back. So failing to build an emergency
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: fund for more than six months, I would look at
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: it now, for at least a year. What does it
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: take for you to live to and maintain your standard
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: of living for at least twelve months? Right, and make
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  Speaker 1: sure that you have that as cash available to you.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Number three making impulse purchases. Let me say it in in
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: a different way. I would rather carry a plastic bag
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: with five thousand dollars in it and to carry a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollar Louis Vie tom bag with a hundred
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: dollars in it. Stop making impulse purchases, right, because that's
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: gonna drain you of your cash available. Number four buying
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: items you don't need. Of course they on sale. Now
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: I have to chastise my wife often about this, Dob,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: why do you was on to sale? I said, but
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: you already got three of them, right, So buying stuff
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: that you don't need. Manage your impulse buying. And number five,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: pay bills late because of the exorbitant interest rates. When
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: you pay your bills late, especially those credit cards. Man,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: you look at the annual interest rate on these credit cards,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: and if you're paying the minimum that you have to
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: pay each month under you will never pay that credit
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: card off interest the minimum. Guy's right, Absolutely, you'll never
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: pay at off right. So don't pay your bills late.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: Don't pay the minimums. Always pay more. I try to
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: pay double to triple the minimum. Pay a monk. I'm might,
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: I might pay of what I owe. So that's number five.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Don't pay bills late and don't pay minimums, as is
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: the beautiful point you made. And number six and the
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  Speaker 1: improper use of credit cards. The improper use of credit cards.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago, I cut up all of my I
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: have no credit cards. What I have are debit cards
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: that are attached to my bank account for Sean, and
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: I cannot spend any more than I have in my
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: damn checking account. So you know, I'm thinking about every
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: time I use my debit card, and I got I
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: got three or four of them because I have various banks,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: various needs, but I can never spend any more than
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: I have available right now right, so improper use of
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: So these are habits that keep us broke. And we
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: are also the is financially illiterate people in America. We
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: are at the bottom of every single statistic that matters
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: in this country economically, and so we need to educate ourselves,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: educate our children. This is related to talking about money
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: and as a result of that, as a responsible leader
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: UH in this country as you are, we started our
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: Winds Wealth Building Centers UM to address financial illiteracy in
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: Black America because if the business of America is business,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: it is dangerous, rashan, and self defeating to be financially illiterately. Therefore,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: education is the answer. The key to a well round
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: as financial education is to align people's mindsets, their habits,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: their values and solutions with the importance of the overall
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: goals of Black America, or according to numerous analytical statistics
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: and studies and actions, we will ultimately if we don't
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: fix our financial badass habits right, we will be relegated
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: to permanent second class citizenry and we will end up
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: in a second slavery. So we develop UH twenty eighteen
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  Speaker 1: the Wins Wealth Building Centers and curriculum to address, among
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: other things, the psychology, the emotions, and our relationship with
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: money in both the secular and non secular Black organizations,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: both the Church and other Black organizations. And we're sarftly
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: focusing on our deep seat of struggle with instant versus
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: delayed gratifications, one of the very bad habits that we have,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: and we're struggling with the basics of financial growth. UH
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: to include, but is not limited to, the four pillars
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: for the intergenerational transport of wealth. That is the essence
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: of our Winds financial centers, and we've gotten over twenty
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: Church is already involved with our curriculum and with our program,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: and those four pillars for the intergenerational don't have time
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: to unpack them. This is what people are gonna learn
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: at the Virtual Power Networking Conference October through But the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: fourth pillars very simply of the proper management of accumulated wealth,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: so that we can stop reading about entertainers and athletes
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: that earn a hundred million dollars in their career and
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: within five years or either broker and bankruptcy. The second
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: pillar is real estate ownership, both residential and commercial real
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: ESTATEUS horner Stone for the intergenerational transfer of wealth. The
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: fourth with his business development, we are the consumption class
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: in this country, uh White books. The merchant class. They
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: make stuff and we buy. Stop doing that, brothers and sisters.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: If you sell something, sell something. In America, two things
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: are going seven. Somebody's buying and somebody selling. Right, we're
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: doing all today. I'm buying. So if you make cookies,
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: so you know, put him in a box with your
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: name on it and sell it to somebody. Right. If
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: you live on a farm, take the manua, put it
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: in a bag, put your name on it, and sell
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: it to somebody. You can become an entree manure. Okay,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: stop doing all the day an buying and sell something.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: This is extremely important. On this I'll give one final
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: little quote by Bishop Tudor, Bishop Tudor Bismark. He wrote
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: a wonderful book called Kingdom Economics, and I'm going to
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: quote him, and he says, as black people, we have
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: embarked upon a new millennium. And this millennium brings momentous change,
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: receive differences in every fassett of society, cultural shifts, economic upheavals,
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: political changes, and more. As believers, it is imperative not
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: only must we be spiritually sound, but we must also
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: establish a firm kingdom economic foundation. Must now unlock the
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  Speaker 1: keys to economic empowerment well. And to quote, I conclude
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  Speaker 1: with that, And so I'm recommending that the brothers and
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  Speaker 1: sisters out there, if you belong to a church family,
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  Speaker 1: talk to your pastor get in touch with us and
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: put a Winds wealth building center. It's a little license agreement,
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• 2:00:26
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• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: financial free congregation. There will be better at times, there
• 2:00:33
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• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: big and important idea that must be sustained over at
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: least three or the next three or four generations. That's
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  Speaker 1: And this is about the future. Now. The interesting thing
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  Speaker 1: about it, I was just involved in something with ESPN
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  Speaker 1: and HBCU Week and tween I had. It was a
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  Speaker 1: live event, George and I had thirty students attended live
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  Speaker 1: event College Fair. This year it was virtual and uh
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  Speaker 1: and I was concerned about the response last year with
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  Speaker 1: thirty dred attend HBCUE College Fair in eighteen. This year
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  Speaker 1: six thousand, one hundred and twenty five pre registered and
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  Speaker 1: four thousand, eight hundred and twenty three attended. I say
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  Speaker 1: that because if now I went from like a regional
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  Speaker 1: event a city event in Wilmington, Delaware too, I like
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  Speaker 1: to believe a global event and I feel that we
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  Speaker 1: can look at the negative side of what covid is
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  Speaker 1: doing to brick and mortar conferences. But I feel it's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a scene for your power networking that
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  Speaker 1: it is now virtual. Correct If I was, if I
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  Speaker 1: was in front of you, Rashaun, I want to hug you, uh,
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  Speaker 1: because you just snatched the thought and the words right
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  Speaker 1: out of my mind. Yes, there's downsize and there's upside
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  Speaker 1: to everything. And the pandemic has changed us a bit
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  Speaker 1: prematurely into a virtual world. There's no question about it.
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  Speaker 1: And it ain't going away when the pandemic is over
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  Speaker 1: because this is so convenient and and and it's so easy.
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  Speaker 1: You can learn, you can connect with people and your
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  Speaker 1: bunny slippers and bathrobe, okay, virtually. So this is why
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't give our live virtual conference in Houston, Texas
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  Speaker 1: back in July. I mean I would be stoned if
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  Speaker 1: I took to a hundred people to Houston, Texas. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and they were, you know, in the red on the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: So we had to tune it into a virtual conference
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  Speaker 1: and down We are promoting it in sixty six countries
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  Speaker 1: around the world, and we have already already three thousand
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  Speaker 1: people that have signed up for it. Okay, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's how awesome this is. And you can we reach
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  Speaker 1: more people, we can connect with more people, we can
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  Speaker 1: educate more people, we can encourage more people, we can
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  Speaker 1: inspire more people. It is awesome and an ain't going away.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I love it is because last year
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  Speaker 1: we launched at our conference the first virtual nation called
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  Speaker 1: Fraser Nation. It was a virtual that this is before
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  Speaker 1: the pandemic. So I'm not you know, I'm not a soothsayer.
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  Speaker 1: I can't predict the future. I was not predicting a
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  Speaker 1: pandemic that would make everything go virtual. But I said,
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  Speaker 1: I think we can have a virtual nation, right, and
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  Speaker 1: so what is this going to do. It's very is simply, um,
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  Speaker 1: We're going to provide access uh through overall training and
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  Speaker 1: coaching and modeling that is needed by our citizens and
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  Speaker 1: therefore help improve the recycling of black dollars and intellectual
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  Speaker 1: capital among our citizens and allies. It's going to be
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  Speaker 1: this massive database of pop black professionals, business owners, and
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  Speaker 1: community leaders right that they will be able to access
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  Speaker 1: the intellectual capital. There will be access of the products
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  Speaker 1: and services that black people fell around the world, right,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: and the entire Pan African diaspora when you look at
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  Speaker 1: the businesses that we own and and and and we're
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 1: not supporting like we should support. So this will help
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  Speaker 1: the connectivity of that. And it's going to provide this
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  Speaker 1: kind of database and virtual meetings and virtual conferences and
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  Speaker 1: virtual uh uh summits and virtual workshops right because virtual
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  Speaker 1: ain't going away. That's what that's I love it. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's why I just said because a lot of people
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: don't understand that is that you can't look at it
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  Speaker 1: as being naked and being negative because there's a brick
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: and mortar and the goals of Fraser that are simple,
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  Speaker 1: help black people build wealth that can be transferred into
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: generational wealth opportunity for the future, helped black people become
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  Speaker 1: the number one employer black people in the century, to
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 1: facility building their global network of Africans throughout the diaspora
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  Speaker 1: who is personal and business excellent and using it to
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: build partnerships too, adventures and strategic alliances. That's very key
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 1: right there. Networking, and now the whole virtual thing has
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: been normalized normally. That's George, I'm a was so excited.
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  Speaker 1: I am so excited for your brand because you know,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: we stumbled up on because of the cod the team,
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: the real purpose because you know, not that we didn't write,
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  Speaker 1: We didn't know, you know, we were just doing what
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  Speaker 1: everybody to do. You know, IBM does it. All the
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: big corporations do these brick and mortar. But you had
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: to be trained in the pandemic, trained people to look
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: at TV to zoom, Instagram, live, Facebook, last, So everybody's
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: kind of like there now and so now your brand
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: becomes what it's supposed to be, a global brand. Joy
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 1: there you go, there you go, there you go, no
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  Speaker 1: question about it and what brothers like you promoting it.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is very inportant what you're doing,
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, your reach or your credibility, the way
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 1: people trust you. I mean, this is, this is, this
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  Speaker 1: is this is the goal standard of how we get
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 1: this out and used by our people. We've got to
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: have people like you talking about it. And you talk
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 1: about it better than I do. I mean you know
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: why because you see it, see it, you see it
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 1: your avictionary, you see it. You know what the possibilities are.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: You know that we have to do this. We don't
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: have any choice. Yeah, what we have to do is
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: create the instruments of vessels and two tools for us
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  Speaker 1: to do it, and then move it through UH, the
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 1: UH marketing and advertising, radio, television, social media system that
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: is so targeted and so effectively utilized by black people.
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: And it will it will work, There's no question about it.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: It's really interesting because you know, sometimes you you know
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: in God, this is all. This is about God and
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: vision and then building on it because first it was
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: in July brick and mortar, right, brick and mortar, because
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: we talked about a year in advance. You said, I'm
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: kind of Houston. I said, you know, and you gotta
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: be there for your joy. COVID hit in March. Then
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: we moved into October fourteen through this seventeen, still in
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: Houston at the Hilton America's okay now, okay, we are
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 1: virtual October twenty six through. That means that we went
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: from a Houston event to a global ban. I want
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: everybody to understand that that means that you can be
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: in Africa, you can be in England, you can be
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: in France, you can be in Mexico, you can be
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: in Canada, and now you can participate in this conference.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: And that it is so important that we tell everybody this.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: I want you to take off your little narrow hats
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: about how can I participate. You don't have to get
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: on the plane. This has been conceptionalized to be very
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: network friendly for all the things that he's always talking about,
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: meet millionaires, potential partners, investors, and build your network, workshop speaks,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: all these thing registration, student registrations, a v IP registration,
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: ultra v IP registrations, all these things, seminars, all these
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 1: things are available now virtually. That's amazing easy to me.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 1: That's you know, you know, I'm fired up. I'm gonna
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 1: tell you something because I got three Wednesdays and any thousand,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: I'm promoting every wins every two weeks. I'm promoting this.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: You better sign up, you better sign up, better sign up,
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: because we want to get dead nover with ten thousand.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, just think about that. I mean,
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: when's the last time ten thousand black people from all
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: over the diaspora were able to come together around a
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: common vision right with instruction motivation. Some of the best
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: and baddest speakers and preachers on the planet, the Reverend
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: Reverendever Freddie Haynes, clostest Our talk every year. Jamal Bryant
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: opens the talk every year, and I mean we can
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: just voice Watkins will be it will be there. The doctor.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: I just finished recording the interview with Dr Julius Scary,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: the son of Marcus Scarffy, right, incredible interviews that I
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: did with him. So you can go down the list.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: It's just incredible. If you want to know more about
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 1: the virtual power Networking comperence, just go to uh www
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: Power Networking Conference dot com. Www Power Networking Conference dot com.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 1: It's uh it's in fact, you can't find a link
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: or something that just email me. You just email you
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 1: very simply A G. Fraser, f R A S and
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Samy are at fraser net dot com. G. Fraser at
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: fraser net dot com and I'll make sure you get
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: everything you need to know to In fact, Dr George C. Fraser,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: he's a renowned networking Gurgle chairman. And see not emailing
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 1: just anybody not in the system. Dr George C. Fraser,
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: that's what you internet. Renowned networking Google chairman and CEO
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 1: Fraser Net, a company he found it over thirty two
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: years ago to lead global networking economic development movement. For
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: people of African descent. That's Frasier. That a belief that
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 1: we should be in the game, not as buyers, but
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: as sellers people product. Put your name on something, to
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: become an entrepreneur, telling you how you can become an entrepreneurs,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: putting a plan in place so you can win, not
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: only just short term, long term, because that's what this
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: is all about. Because everybody go out there, they want
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: to do something, they have a plan in place that's
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: short term success. We're trying to create long term success.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: And Frazier that that's why it's virtual. That's why October
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: twenty six, That's why he's always on my show. It's
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: when I feel blessed I'm able to bring somebody of
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: his caliber on my show. He always be hyping me up.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: I'll be hyped because he's one of the few people
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: I just I just let him talk. I just terrupt periodically,
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: just drop some dimes. Remind everybody how gifted it is
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: to even hear him talk like this. I put three
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: of his life change and quotes on my Monday Motivation
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  Speaker 1: with his picture. It was the highest life post of
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: the year on my Monday Motivation. Yes sir, Yes, Sir,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: I told you I was gonna do that. Remember I
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 1: told us I am going to promote you. I'm going
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: it was the most like post. It was incredible, incredible
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: because your belief and your values mean something to people.
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: What I like to always say is that that's why
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: I'm excited about the virtual UH event. Frasier that this year,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: because you're just a hidden gym your networks, not saying
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: that you're not NOTKNN, I don't want was something like that.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: But this virtual platform allows more people to participate. And
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: just like I said earlier about the HBCU week, we
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: did with ESPN Disney and thirty undred students attended live
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 1: last year, six thousand, one hundred and twenty five pre
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: registered virtually four thousand, eight hundred twenty three came to
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: the Virtual experience. People are ready for the change. You
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: are going to have an incredible experience. Mr Fraser. Such
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: a such a blessing, such a God bless you, Shaan,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: God bless you, and God bless all that you mean
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: to us. And you're serving leadership because you are a servant.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you just are incredible. And how you manage
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: that and how you've focused on that emphasize that it's
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: all in your voice and in your spirit. And so
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: I'm going to close with giving the brothers instance out
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: here a little tip on how to build your passive
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: income to build your pack position. Not be a black
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: person in America with a single stream of income, right
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 1: like all of us should have multiple streams of income
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 1: and code what we call a passive income. So take
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: your nine to five income, if you've got a job,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: of us, have a job, take your nine to five
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: income and use that to fuel your side us okay,
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: whatever that may be. Sell something that's your side hustle,
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: and then use your side hustle to fuel the money
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 1: you get from that to fuel your investments. Because you're
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: gonna get extra money and you're going to invest that money.
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 1: I don't care if the scripto currency, stock spawns or
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. Whatever, vote your boat, invest your side
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: hustle money, and then take your investments, and over time
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: your investments will replace your nine That's the goal. That's
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: the goals. I want to appreciate you again. My newsletter
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: goes out this Wednesday. You will have a band internet.
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: I got two more winsdays before October twenty six through
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: to eight. That's the Virtual phraser Net conference originally was
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: held in Houston, Nashill for the world to participate. I
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 1: love saying that is now being held for the world
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: to be a participant. Like I said, Dr Cee, it's
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 1: a blessing. Come on die but again, thank you, come
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: on the show, and I I gotta do my job now, Jack.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: See you always give me instructions, but you don't even
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 1: know it. See when you come on myself, Dr Rason,
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 1: you put me to work in a positive manner because
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: I said okay, I said okay. You know it's like
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you're the pope of entrepreneurship. To me,
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 1: you're the pope. Now you know the popeman came the town,
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 1: he didn't blessed everybody with information. And now I guess
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: what we I get busy and spread the word. So
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: that my mission right now is to spread the word
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: A fraser that coming October twenty six through twenty eight.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: People doing thirty October. Well, I apologize, I've been trading
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 1: that out and I've said that a couple of times
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 1: from October through the thirties. October through the thirties is
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: the date that we're gonna do Frasier that virtual worldwide.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: My friend, we talked soon. Okay, I love you, Let
• 2:16:42
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