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E241: Can Islam and Christianity Coexist in America? w/Martin and Millicent Sedra | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  I grew up in Egypt, a Muslim country, and if you dare speak
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  the name of Jesus, you will either die or your church will
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  get bombed. Do you remember fearing for your
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  life? Do you remember knowing people
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  who were killed? It's like a normal story.
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  Every week Islam now is coming in America saying we're a
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  religion of peace. I'm like, brother, you are not a
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  religion of peace. I know who you are.
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  And my dad didn't know that the specific woman he preached to
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  her husband was a leader of a Muslim terrorist group.
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  He goes to my dad's house, knocks on the door.
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  He shares the story. That's how we know what
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  happened. And he says I tried to kill your
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  children but. No way.
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  That is absolutely amazing. And he said the way Islam is
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  going to take over America is three ways.
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  He said #1 we're going to. He was raised as a Christian in
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  Egypt, and his family endured great religious persecution
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  because of their faith. Martin even had a cross tattooed
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  on his forearm as a baby in order to protect him in the
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  event that he might get kidnapped by Islamic militants.
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  Years later, his family would flee Egypt to Australia.
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  And now Martin and his wife Millie travel the world to
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  preach their faith and tell their story.
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  Welcome back to the Lila Roche show.
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  Today, we are talking with Millie and Martin Sedra about
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  the tensions between Islam and Christianity.
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  And we also discussed the moral issues that many Christians,
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  especially preachers, don't want to touch.
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  Thank you so much to everyone who has been listening to and
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  grow. Martin and Millie Sedra thanks
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  so much for joining the podcast. Thank you, It's an honour to be.
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  Here to the USA, we appreciate it.
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  Have any of your listeners had to suffer through the Australian
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  accent? Yeah.
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  Australian accents are the best. It's not suffering.
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  We, not Australians. We don't like it.
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  I feel so self-conscious of it when I'm in the US.
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  Like because I hear it. We love.
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  The American accents. We love your accent.
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  You guys love Arabs. I know people are listening and
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  going to keep listening right now just because of the accent,
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  and then they're going to learn about you and love it.
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  But your accents are amazing. What are you talking about?
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  Cool, that's that's I didn't know.
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  Australian accents might be the best accent.
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  Ohh yes. No way we love the American
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  accent. When I preach, I try to sound
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  American just for that reason. That is, that is.
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  Yeah, we say what all Yeah. You guys say trash can, we say
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  rubbish? Rubbish.
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  I think Americans love Australians.
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  Oh cool. Yeah, that's good to know.
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  They're. The best so with that and and
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  when did you guys get here? How long have you been here now?
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  We've been here a month, so we've been in the last four
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  weeks preaching different conferences, churches around the
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  United States, and it's been awesome.
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  God has been moving. Welcome, I'm so glad you're
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  here. I've been admiring you guys from
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  afar, literally from a 15 hour flight afar in California, my
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  Australian friends, because of how passionately pro-life you
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  are and willing to speak up for marriage, for life.
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  Australia is a tough place. Yes, yes.
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  Yeah, preachers. They are very work and weak.
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  Yeah, I mean, we obviously we honour what you you are doing
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  and live action and speaking up and being a voice to the
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  voiceless. And the truth is like you are
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  doing something that a lot of preachers are not willing to do.
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  Like especially true in Australia.
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  Nobody wants to speak up for babies.
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  I'm like, have you read the Bible?
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  It says let those who love the Lord hate what is evil.
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  Proverbs 6, the Lord hates the shedding of innocent blood.
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  I don't know how you can get up and preach about whatever we
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  preach about peace. Like how can you preach about
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  this, this, these nice things when there are millions of
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  babies being butchered every day?
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  I, I don't understand. I I can't understand it.
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  Where did you all get your passion?
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  Because you have a view on life that unfortunately too few
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  American and Australian and Western pastors have now.
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  I think that's changing by the way.
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  I get to see it happen where pastors are getting put on, you
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  know, on on fire for for life. They're speaking out boldly.
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  I think about the Baptist Church.
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  I think about Al Mohler and he speaks out boldly against things
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  like IVF, which again, very controversial Christian circles.
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  There's more people rejecting contraception and that by the
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  way, as of 100 years ago, all Christians, Protestant,
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  Orthodox, Catholic, anybody who said they followed Christ,
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  virtually everyone was opposed to contraception.
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  Now in the last 100 years, everyone's like went 180 or
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  contraception is great. It's so fine in the church, no
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  problem. And now I see that changing too.
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  You know, thankful. As you guys know, I'm Catholic.
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  The Catholic Church hasn't changed on that.
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  But I've seen a lot of Protestants come around and say,
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  yes, this is not God's design. You know, sex is designed for
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  intimacy and procreation. So we shouldn't be severing the
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  two. This opens the all of these
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  other problems. But I'm curious for both of you.
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  And I want to get into your story because your stories are
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  incredible. But I'm curious where you how
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  you developed your own theological understanding of
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  these moral issues and if there are more people that you see
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  coming to embrace this, these truths about marriage and about
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  sex and about life. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I, I, I grew up in Egypt, a Muslim country where
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  Christianity is a minority, and if you dare speak the name of
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  Jesus, you will either die or your church will get bombed.
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  Like in Egypt right now, Christians are getting killed
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  all the time. Last week there was a mother who
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  went to the front of the church and found out three kids
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  literally chopped up in pieces by the Muslim Brotherhood last
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  week. This is all in Egypt.
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  So this is literally in a Christian Church on Easter
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  Sunday. You literally go to church and
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  you know that like while in America, we go to church on
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  Easter and it's production and, and even Christians don't even
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  want to go to church on a Sunday in Egypt.
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  Christians know that my church can be bombed one Sunday and
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  they still rock up the church. So we grew up in a in a country
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  where if you want to. I've got to pause you real
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  quick. I'm sorry.
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  I didn't see any headline news. And I and I follow pretty
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  carefully. Persecution of Christians
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  globally because I care and. And you know you, if you know
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  who to follow, you can kind of get a sense of it.
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  These were children, the children of a Christian mother,
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  Yeah. Were kidnapped by jihadists or
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  who were? Slaughtered and cut in pieces
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  and left in front of the church. Were they kidnapped?
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  How did they? Were just chilling in front of
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  the church and the mother came out and the the Muslim brother
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  was just there and killed them. And this is normal by the way.
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  How old were these kids? Probably 15 teenagers.
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  They all were teenagers. Devastating.
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  And by the way, you'll never hear about it because what the
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  what, what was the is? There any reporting at all
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  there's. No reporting.
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  There's no reporting. You know about it because.
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  I know about it because I'm following so many Arabic and
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  Christian churches in Egypt. Wow, family, we have family
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  there. We have friends that are there.
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  But you will never hear about that on the news.
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  You will never hear about that in Nigeria on Palm Sunday that
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  there was a church that was slaughtered.
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  You will never hear that in Syria, Christians are getting
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  slaughtered. You'll never hear that there are
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  so many people and Christians dying for their faith.
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  But you're going to hear about George Floyd.
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  You're going to hear about, you know, this happened to that guy,
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  Palestine kids. You're never going to hear about
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  the Christians that are getting persecuted all around the world.
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  And we are the most persecuted people around the world,
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  Christians, we are the most hated.
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  We are the most persecuted. And it is mainly by Muslims.
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  It is mainly by Muslims. And the reason by the way, you
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  don't get on the news is because Islamophobia.
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  They're going to say, oh, you guys hate the Muslims.
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  They don't talk about Islam like that.
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  Islam is a religion of peace. The moment you see what real
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  Islam is and what Muslims are doing to Christians around the
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  world, you will kick every Muslim out of their mosque and
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  say, do you believe that Christians should be killed?
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  The reason that we don't want to put on the news, If they put it
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  on the news, America will wake up and be like, we don't want
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  Islam anymore. And that's why Islam now is
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  coming in America saying we're a religion of peace.
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  I'm like, brother, you are not a religion of peace.
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  I know who you are. You know that friend that you
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  have and you know their real face, but in front of people
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  they act all nice and you look at them and you're like, I know
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  who you are. That's us.
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  We came from Egypt. We grew up in Egypt, a Muslim
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  country. So were.
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  You raised Muslim? No, we were raised Christian, so
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  Christian minority in Egypt. We're raised in a Christian
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  family. And in Egypt it's very hard to
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  start a church because it's a Muslim country.
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  Muslims don't want new churches. So my dad decided I'm going to
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  preach to Muslims. So my dad's ministry in Egypt
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  was I'm going to preach as many Muslims as possible and get them
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  to convert to Christ. Sounds dangerous.
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  Very. Dangerous under under Sharia
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  law. That illegal?
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  Yeah, under Muslim, in a Muslim country, you're not allowed to
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  critique Muhammad. If you critique Muhammad, you
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  would die. So how did your dad survive?
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  So my dad had to do it in small buildings and rooms and houses,
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  breaching prison and Oh yeah, my dad.
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  My dad saw hundreds of Muslims, thousands of Muslims come to
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  Christ, get baptized. And then what happened was when
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  the government found out, they took him to prison a few times,
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  multiple times. They told him stop preaching
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  Jesus. And my dad would sign a paper
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  saying, all right, I'm going to stop preaching and go back and
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  preach. So he kept on going.
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  He kept on going. My dad was like Elijah, you
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  know, the troubler of Israel, Jezebel and Ahab kept telling
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  him stop. And he didn't stop.
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  That was my. Dad and you hire one of how many
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  kids? 4 kids. 4 kids.
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  So there's four of us. Because your brother's also a
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  pastor. Brother, so I have an amazing
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  family, all God fearing, all in ministry, we're all married, all
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  building a Kingdom of God. But my dad and mom raised us
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  believers in Egypt, but it wasn't this, you know, come to
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  church on Sunday like in Egypt, if you're either a real
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  Christian or you're not, there's no, if you're in this
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  Christianity for what God can give you, you should leave
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  Christianity in Egypt because you don't get anything.
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  You're either going to get killed or bombed.
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  So in Egypt, if you really want God, lay down your whole life.
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  So as you were a kid growing up in Egypt, did you see people who
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  are other Christians face persecution?
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  I mean, you saw your dad, I guess, go to jail.
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  That's significant right there. But were you, did you, do you
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  remember fearing for your life? Do you remember knowing people
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  who were, you know, hurt or killed?
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  Yeah, yeah, lots of stories, lots like it's endless.
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  It's like, it's like a normal story every week.
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  You know, it's a normal story every week that there was a
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  knife attack or there was an explosion or a terrorist.
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  That's like the normal media against Christian, against
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  Christianity, by Muslims. In the like, say how your names
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  were in a newspaper, like a hit list of this is the family and
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  this is the their address. Go and get this family because
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  they're preaching Jesus. Exactly.
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  So what happened as my dad was preaching to Muslims?
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  Preaching is illegal to Muslims. You can preach all the
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  Christians. You can't preach to Muslims.
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  My dad preach. And my dad converted a specific
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  woman. She was a Muslim, and my dad
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  didn't know that the specific woman he preached to her husband
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  was a leader of a Muslim terrorist group.
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  So my dad was preaching to this group of women and men and the
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  lady in the crowd listening in a hijab.
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  Her husband was a leader of a Muslim terrorist group.
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  So my dad was preaching. My dad was preaching.
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  That Muslim lady happens to convert to Christianity.
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  She becomes a Christian. She gets baptized.
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  Her husband finds out. Her husband is a Muslim
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  terrorist group leader. He finds out and he's furious.
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  He's like, how dare you preach to my wife?
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  How dare you convert my wife to Christianity?
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  How dare you baptize my wife? Was she in danger with him?
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  She, I think he let her go. He just wanted to teach
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  everybody else a lesson. Don't do this again.
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  And what the Muslims do is they'll kill one guy, one guy
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  publicly and make a lesson out of him.
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  That's why they killed the 21 Christians in Egypt.
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  You know, the men in the orange suits on the beach, They, they
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  literally beheaded them and killed them on the beach live.
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  They want to terrorize people. So this man decided I'm going to
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  kill these guys children. And at the time my brothers were
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  five years old and nine years old.
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  And that man made a plan. I'm going to kidnap these two,
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  his two sons, my dad's two sons. I'm going to kidnap them, behead
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  them, put him in a bag and send it to my dad's front door to
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  teach him a lesson. Don't preach Jesus again.
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  All my dad needed to do what for us to be safe was to stop
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  preaching. That's all he needed to do stop
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  preaching. Jesus would have been safe,
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  would have had money, would have had houses, would have been
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  fine. My dad said no, I'm going to
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  keep preaching. That Muslim Brotherhood leader
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  sends two men in a van at 7:00 to the bus stop on my brothers.
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  Catch the school bus. He studied us.
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  He strategized. He knows our moves.
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  These two Muslim Brotherhood men in the van, they go.
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  They see my brothers. They try to get out of the van
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  to kidnap my brothers. They feel frozen.
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  They don't know they're not moving, these two men.
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  Speaking of miracles, these two men couldn't get out.
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  They want to kidnap my brothers, behead them.
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  They're frozen in the van. My brothers get on the school
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  bus. The school bus leaves.
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  They're confused. They're like, what's going on?
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  They unfreeze again. Once the school bus leaves, they
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  unfreeze again. They look at each other and
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  they're like you're a coward, You're a coward.
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  They think it was fear. They think these guys have
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  killed preachers, politicians, and here's a 5 and a nine year
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  old. They can't kill.
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  The next day, the boss is angry. She sends two big men to the bus
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  stop. These two big men are now in the
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  van. They see my brothers.
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  They get out of the van. This time they're right behind
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  my brothers. And as my brothers, 5 and 9 year
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  old, are about to go in the bus stop, these two Muslim
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  Brotherhood leaders are standing behind them.
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  And they go to kidnap them, to behead them.
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  And as they go to grab them, they feel a supernatural hand
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  tie their hands behind their back.
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  There's two Muslim Brotherhood leaders.
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  They can't see who it is. They don't know who it is, but
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  they feel a supernatural Angel tie their hands behind their
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  back. My brothers get on a school bus.
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  The school bus leaves, and they unfreeze again.
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  Now this Muslim Brotherhood leader is confused.
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  He's like, I don't know what's going on.
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  And now something shifted in his heart.
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  He knows the God of the Bible. He's real.
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  He goes to my dad's house, knocks on the door.
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  My dad like, what's his guy doing here?
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  He gets him in. He shares a story.
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  That's how we know what happened.
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  And he says, I tried to kill your children, but your God
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  protected them. No way.
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  And this Muslim Brotherhood leader becomes a Christian, is
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  baptized and is born again and the whole family.
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  And this is what was so. So the the, the lesson out of
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  this is number one, we serve the God of miracles.
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  We serve the God who is moving. God is moving and you might not.
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  See he was bapt, he was he converted after that voted, he
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  became a Christian. Did he have issues with his
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  terrorist friends? Yeah, and he moved to America.
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  He's living in America now. So if he's.
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  Listening to reconnect. Can he come on the podcast?
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  I don't know him. We.
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  We. You.
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  You gotta find him what's right. Is he?
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  Is he practicing his Christian? Yeah, he's a Christian now, but
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  we don't know where he is. Having if.
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  You can hear us, please. Yeah, we would love to to talk
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  to you. That is absolutely amazing.
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  I mean, it is God does things like that and it is alive and
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  he's working and we need to be willing to ask for help from
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  him, ask to be used by him and then also notice the work he's
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  doing. But that's amazing.
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  That's. Amazing.
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  So when he asks, where do we get our passion and our courage
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  from? We get our courage from a
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  country where if you believed in Jesus, you'll die.
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  So we escaped Egypt in 2007. We moved from Egypt to to
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  Australia as refugees. Were things getting
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  particularly? Getting very bad.
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  So we, we would walk out of our house and there's people waiting
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  on buses and you know, vans and motorbikes.
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  It got too dangerous. And my dad was in Australia 1
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  day and he realized that our address was published on a
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  wanted newspaper list. There's like a newspaper of
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  wanted preachers and you publish their address in there.
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  So the Muslim Brotherhood, you kill them.
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  So my our address was there. This family needs to go.
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  And my mom, my dad found out that our address was published.
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  He calls my mum from Australia and says, hey, you need to, he's
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  preaching in Australia. He's just preaching at a, you
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  know, a few churches. Here and you guys are in Egypt
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  where? In Egypt with my mum.
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  Did you have guns in the house? No, guns did not have no way to
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  protect yourself. And how old were you guys?
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  So, so I was, I was 9, my brothers would have been 1519
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  and my twin sister. So there's four of us with my
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  mum. Your mum.
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  And by the way, no guns. No, no.
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  Guns. No.
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  My mum is a hero. Yeah, my mum is a bold and
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  courageous woman. Like when you speak about, you
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  know, woman, woman having courage and boldness.
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  My mom really did because we didn't have any protection.
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  No security guards, no nothing. Only God.
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  The only thing I was protecting us was God.
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  And while my dad was preaching the gospel, God was protecting
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  us. My dad didn't even know that
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  this was happening, let alone God was really covering us.
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  There's a hedge of protection around us.
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  But I got to a point where when our address was published, my
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  dad called my mom from Australia and said, hey, you need to leave
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  the country now. He felt the Holy Spirit tell
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  him, it's time to leave. You've fought enough.
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  You've converted enough Muslims, it's time to leave.
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  My dad calls my mom. We sell the house.
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  We pack our bags. My mom didn't tell her parents.
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  She couldn't. We didn't know you know where
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  we're going. My mom told us we're going on a
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  holiday to Thailand because she knew if if we if if the work we
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  were young was. Stupid if.
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  If at the airport we said yeah, we're going to Australia to
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  escape, they would have sent us straight back in jail.
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  They would have put us in jail and said you got to try and
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  escape. So at the at the, at the border
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  of Egypt, when they check your passport, your passport's not
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  like the American passport. Your passport says your
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  religion. If you're a Christian or Muslim,
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  it's in your passport. So if you're a Christian,
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  especially if you're a pastor and they know you, they're going
• 15:24
  to want to figure out why you're leaving Egypt.
• 15:26
  Are you trying to escape? So the plan was.
• 15:28
  What? Because was it the government
• 15:29
  that was trying to? Kill.
• 15:30
  There was a Muslim Brotherhood. There was a government.
• 15:32
  All of them, all of them hate Christians.
• 15:34
  The Muslim government it. Was your dad's particular fear
• 15:37
  it was these kind of rogue Muslim Brotherhood guys, or has
• 15:40
  it gotten just like cranked it up government?
• 15:42
  Cranked up to the. Government, maybe.
• 15:43
  I'm going to go back to jail when I get home.
• 15:44
  They're going to allow something bad to happen to my family, OK?
• 15:47
  And you're allowed, by the way, to kill Christians.
• 15:48
  Like you can kill a Christian. There's no drama.
• 15:50
  If you kill a Christian, there's.
• 15:51
  Like Islamic terror against Christians in Egypt, they, they
• 15:55
  kind of look the other way. They're they're not going to
• 15:57
  because they believe. That's obedience to the Koran.
• 15:59
  So they're like good job. You're you're, you're, you're
• 16:01
  following, you're getting rid. Of these rats, Hitler called the
• 16:05
  the the Jews rats, right. His propaganda, the way he he
• 16:08
  got convinced people to kill the Jews was to dehumanize the Jews
• 16:13
  in their eyes. So you put propaganda up that
• 16:15
  the Jews are not humans, but they're rats.
• 16:17
  So all of a sudden the psychology of the nation began
• 16:19
  to change. When you look at a Jew, you
• 16:21
  don't see a Jew, you see a rat. So it's easier to kill a rat
• 16:24
  than to kill a human. So he he dehumanized the nation
• 16:27
  to be able to be able to gas the Jews kill them, whatever you
• 16:29
  want to do. And that's what, and when I
• 16:31
  think about it, I'm like, Hitler got his this idea and it's
• 16:34
  worldview from Muhammad because Muhammad came before Hitler and
• 16:37
  Muhammad 600 in, in the sixth, you know, century, he writes the
• 16:40
  Quran and he calls, he's a bit nicer than Hitler.
• 16:43
  Muhammad and Islam calls any person who's not a Muslim a rat,
• 16:46
  not a rat, sorry, he calls us ape or pigs.
• 16:49
  So Hitler called the Jews rats. Muhammad calls Christians and
• 16:52
  anyone who's not a Muslim. Jews as well.
• 16:54
  Jews. He he, he calls us, he calls us
• 16:56
  apes or pigs. So now when a Muslim looks at
• 16:59
  you as a Christian, they don't see a man and they don't see a
• 17:02
  woman. They see either an ape or a pig
• 17:04
  that must be killed. And I think I want to ask you
• 17:06
  about this possible distinction here because I know, I know
• 17:09
  Muslims, right, who are very, they are themselves very
• 17:12
  peaceful. They're Westernized, They're not
• 17:14
  fundamentalist, they're not jihadists, obviously.
• 17:17
  And I think there is this certainly when you look at the
• 17:22
  life of Muhammad, which was really conquest, violence.
• 17:28
  Exactly. It's not like conversion.
• 17:30
  Yeah, via the, you know, the heart.
• 17:32
  It's the sword. It's a very different trajectory
• 17:35
  than Christianity. Like the martyrs died for, you
• 17:38
  know, Jesus in Christianity. You kill for Jesus or for
• 17:42
  Muhammad in Islam. They kill for their faith.
• 17:45
  For their faith, right? Right.
• 17:46
  So anyways, I say all that to say, I agree that the origins
• 17:49
  and the foundation of it is. But there are nice religions,
• 17:53
  there are nice loving. Muslims, of course.
• 17:55
  And I always like to say all Muslims are violent, but all
• 17:58
  Islam is violent. It's the same as Christianity.
• 18:00
  Not all Christians are holy, but Christianity is holy.
• 18:03
  So when you see a Christian in the street get drunk, beat his
• 18:06
  wife up and smoke weed, you're like, that's not a Christian,
• 18:09
  right? Because Christianity by
• 18:10
  definition and by by the foundation of Christianity is
• 18:13
  holiness. But Islam in general, when you
• 18:15
  see a nice Muslim in the street, a kind Muslim, I have a neighbor
• 18:18
  who's a Muslim and they're very kind.
• 18:19
  They're very, we're friends with them.
• 18:21
  But just because that Muslim is nice, it does not mean that's
• 18:24
  Islam. Islam is a violent religion.
• 18:26
  Muhammad was a warlord who went around killing Christians, Jews,
• 18:30
  anyone that got in his way. Christianity, as you said,
• 18:32
  Christianity spread through the blood of the martyrs.
• 18:34
  Islam spread through the blood of its enemies.
• 18:37
  Christianity was spread through the blood of Jesus Christ, our
• 18:39
  Lord and savior. Islam was spread through the
• 18:42
  people that were surrounding them.
• 18:44
  And anyone listening to me, the nice Muslims in your world, and
• 18:46
  I hope Muslims are listening to me.
• 18:48
  If you're a kind, loving, caring Muslim, you're not a Muslim
• 18:51
  because you're not following the Quran.
• 18:53
  The Quran commands you to kill me.
• 18:54
  The Quran commands you to kill the infidels.
• 18:57
  Mohammed literally says kill the infidels wherever you find them.
• 19:00
  So if you're really following the Quran, you should kill me.
• 19:02
  If you're really a Muslim and you love Mohammed, you must
• 19:06
  follow your Quran. I think a Muslim would say,
• 19:08
  well, yes, but you it's interpretation of those verses.
• 19:11
  And then they'll say there are verses in the Quran which are
• 19:15
  ultimately they're, they're, they match elements of
• 19:17
  Christianity in terms of justice, in terms of mercy, in
• 19:20
  terms of caring for the vulnerable.
• 19:23
  So there there are elements like that in the Quran.
• 19:25
  Which is a great point. You have to look at the fruit.
• 19:27
  The fact is Christians don't read the Bible, the whole Bible,
• 19:31
  including the Old Testament and decide for themselves, OK, my
• 19:34
  interpretation of the Bible, the Bible means I should go and blow
• 19:37
  myself up in public at the detriment of hundreds of people
• 19:40
  around me. No Christian interprets the
• 19:42
  Bible today and does that and yet hundreds of Muslims do that.
• 19:45
  So I think you have to look at the fruits and see how many
• 19:49
  people are interpreting the Quran to mean let's destroy
• 19:52
  people's lives and how many are interpreting the Bible to mean
• 19:55
  let's be terrorist. The fruit speaks for itself.
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  you're misinterpreting like okay, let's just look at the
• 22:36
  founder Mohammed Jesus. Mohammed said kill the infidel.
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  Jesus said love your enemies. Mohammed said before he died
• 22:42
  Mohammed said may Allah curse the Jews and the Christians.
• 22:45
  Jesus before he died said father forgive them for they don't know
• 22:47
  what they do. Mohammed own slaves and raped
• 22:50
  them. Jesus honored woman and covered
• 22:52
  them. Muhammad the woman caught on
• 22:54
  adultery stoned her to death. Jesus, the woman caught on
• 22:56
  adultery said neither do I condemn you go and see no more.
• 23:00
  Muhammad literally commands men that they can beat their wives
• 23:03
  up. Jesus commands men to love their
• 23:05
  wives. So when you compare the
• 23:06
  founders, I know you're like you know interpretation and stuff.
• 23:09
  Forget the Quran, forget the Bible.
• 23:10
  Let's compare the founders of the religion.
• 23:12
  You're Muhammad in a span of 10 years started 73 wars and raids,
• 23:17
  my Jesus in a span of 33 years, his whole life, not one war was
• 23:21
  started. In fact, when his disciples
• 23:23
  wanted to destroy a city for rejected him, Jesus rebuked
• 23:26
  them. When, when when Peter picked up
• 23:28
  the sword, Jesus said those who live by the sword would die by
• 23:31
  the sword. So let's compare founders for a
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  moment. Your founder is not my founder.
• 23:34
  My founder is a God of love, peace, prosperity.
• 23:38
  We're not the same. OK.
• 23:39
  And then? Yeah, when your dad would
• 23:41
  convert or would help with the conversion of these Muslims in
• 23:45
  Egypt, do you did you were you able to follow what happened
• 23:49
  with them? Because my understanding is if
• 23:51
  you convert. I mean, we just had a a
• 23:52
  beautiful woman, Nikki Kingston on the podcast and she's afraid
• 23:56
  to even share social media where she lives because she's a
• 23:58
  convert from Islam to Christianity.
• 24:01
  And when she her life could be at risk because she's in now.
• 24:06
  And I think worse than an infidel is my.
• 24:08
  Understanding. She's a, she's a, she's a yeah,
• 24:11
  she's committed apostasy. Which under Sharia law, for all
• 24:14
  my Americans that, you know, Sharia law wants to come to
• 24:17
  Texas and the New York mayor, you know, Zamran Mandani and all
• 24:21
  these Muslim guys that are coming, if Islam takes over any
• 24:24
  state, Sharia law will be established.
• 24:26
  What Sharia law? Sharia law is the divine Islamic
• 24:29
  law. It's like our 10 commandments,
• 24:31
  but for the Muslims. And under Sharia law, apostates
• 24:34
  must be killed. Under Sharia law, gamblers and
• 24:37
  drinkers must be stoned. Under Sharia law, if you
• 24:39
  critique Mohammed, you should be killed.
• 24:41
  So any Muslim who converts to Christianity, they're considered
• 24:43
  an apostate. And you're right, they're worse
• 24:45
  than an infidel. They must be killed.
• 24:47
  There is no forgiveness. There is no negotiation.
• 24:49
  If your wife converts to Christianity, kill her.
• 24:51
  If your kid converts to Christianity, kill them.
• 24:54
  And it happens, by the way, there's dishonor.
• 24:56
  There's, you know, honor killing with a father and mother.
• 24:58
  Literally kill their 15 year old kid.
• 25:00
  It's the amount of stories is infinite.
• 25:03
  Yeah. About how many Muslims kill
• 25:04
  them. Yeah.
• 25:05
  So these apostle laws are very real in Christianity.
• 25:07
  If you leave Christianity, we're going to be praying for you.
• 25:09
  Yeah. We're going to be loving you.
• 25:10
  We're going to be calling you and checking up on you.
• 25:12
  Yeah. You better.
• 25:13
  We're not going to come and kill you.
• 25:14
  Yeah. We want you to come to Christ.
• 25:16
  We don't. This is not a mafia.
• 25:18
  Islam, by the way, is not a religion.
• 25:19
  It's a mafia. It's like you leave.
• 25:21
  You leave. This is 1.
• 25:23
  I mean, if you search for honor killings and these pop up
• 25:25
  because I see these stories and I, I, I, I think I'm looking for
• 25:28
  them. I pay attention to them because
• 25:29
  I know how underreported these things are.
• 25:31
  But this is Pakistan, you know, an honor killing of a couple
• 25:34
  that converted or not converted. Excuse me, this is an honor
• 25:38
  killing of a couple. I don't know what their
• 25:40
  professed crime was there. I think maybe even just being
• 25:44
  together, a moral relationship is the claim and they were
• 25:46
  slaughtered for it. Another story, and this was in
• 25:50
  Europe, a woman who was killed by her brothers because Islamic
• 25:55
  woman killed by her brothers because she was accused of
• 25:58
  having a boyfriend, you know. Yeah, I mean, so Sharia lore is
• 26:02
  trying to come into the West. I don't know if in Australia
• 26:05
  right now. A few days ago there was a
• 26:07
  massive protest on the Harbour Bridge, huge protest where
• 26:12
  jihadists are waving the jihad flag.
• 26:14
  They were riding Abolish Australia on the on the roads.
• 26:18
  They were burning the Australian flag and so so this is a very
• 26:21
  real thing. And I think what the message for
• 26:23
  Christians today is, I think a lot of Christians get the first
• 26:26
  part of the verse right where it says be innocent as doves.
• 26:29
  But a lot of Christians lack the second-half which is be shrewd
• 26:32
  of snakes. And that is the call.
• 26:34
  This was our call to be innocent as doves but shrewd of snakes.
• 26:37
  And I think a lot of Christians, they have the heart of Jesus,
• 26:41
  which is a merciful heart, but they lack the discernment When
• 26:45
  Jesus, when many people were seeing his miracles and were
• 26:48
  coming to follow him. The Bible tells us that Jesus
• 26:50
  did not trust them because he saw what was in their heart.
• 26:53
  He knew that they were just amazed by the sign and not the
• 26:56
  one that was producing the sign. And so there is an element of
• 26:59
  God expects us as Christians to have discernment.
• 27:02
  We're not supposed to be naive and we're not supposed to be
• 27:05
  skeptical and cynical. We're supposed to have
• 27:06
  discernment. And my response to what's
• 27:09
  happening in the West, where people are burning the flag, I
• 27:12
  can't believe this is a controversial take, but if
• 27:14
  someone wants to burn the flag of the country that they are
• 27:17
  seeking refuge in, they should be sent back to whatever country
• 27:20
  that of the flag that they wanna.
• 27:22
  So you're saying these were refugees in Australia?
• 27:25
  They're not Australian citizens. They were.
• 27:27
  Immigrants. It was a mixture, but a lot of
• 27:29
  them were immigrants. And they were and they want,
• 27:31
  you're saying they want Sharia a lot in this case.
• 27:33
  They're burning, they're berating in the street, burning
• 27:35
  the Australian flag. But is it out of hatred for like
• 27:39
  as they perceive western values and they want Sharia law or what
• 27:41
  were? They want Sharia law.
• 27:43
  The Muslims want Sharia law. That's the Muslims wanting
• 27:45
  Sharia law to reign in the West. Yeah.
• 27:47
  And you can listen to. Is it called imams?
• 27:50
  Yeah. You can listen to the leaders of
• 27:51
  Brotherhood's saying that we will not stop until Islam is in
• 27:55
  every home and every child. They I've heard imams say we
• 27:59
  don't care about the parents but we are coming for the children
• 28:02
  and children will become Muslim. We're immigrants.
• 28:05
  Like I'm a refugee. I literally, we came legally,
• 28:09
  obviously, but I love immigration in the right way.
• 28:12
  When I moved from Egypt to Australia, I was so grateful for
• 28:15
  my country. I love my country.
• 28:16
  We have an Australian flag in our office.
• 28:19
  Why we're telling people the country that accepted me and
• 28:21
  took me and I love it. I'm grateful for it.
• 28:24
  I'm blessing it and I'm bringing my skill here.
• 28:26
  But what a lot of Muslims do when they move to America is
• 28:29
  they don't love the country, they hate the country.
• 28:31
  I was literally in an Uber on the way here and the Uber was a
• 28:35
  Muslim man. His name is Muhammad, and he was
• 28:36
  complaining to me how bad it is to live in America.
• 28:38
  I'm like, what you from? He's like Pakistan.
• 28:40
  I'm like, why are you here? Like, why are you complaining
• 28:44
  about the country that you're in?
• 28:45
  Like, well, well, this is the thing.
• 28:47
  I was like to him why you're here.
• 28:49
  He was like, oh, I'm moving with my family for a better future.
• 28:51
  I'm like, so, so you're telling me you left Pakistan because you
• 28:53
  don't like the way you live there?
• 28:55
  You don't like Islam there and you're moving to America only to
• 28:57
  hate America? And this is the problem.
• 28:59
  I love immigration, but if you're going to migrate to a
• 29:01
  country, you better love your country.
• 29:03
  You better bless your country. You better wave the American
• 29:05
  flag here. Don't go around burning the
• 29:07
  flag. And that's the difference
• 29:09
  between an immigrant and an enemy, right?
• 29:11
  An immigrant seeks refuge. An enemy wants to destroy the
• 29:13
  country. Here's a Here's a controversial
• 29:16
  question which I think gets to the root of many of the things
• 29:21
  we're talking about and caring about at this table.
• 29:24
  Australia and the United States in in parts of Australia and
• 29:27
  parts of the United States, or I think it's most of Australia,
• 29:29
  abortion is legal till nine months of pregnancy.
• 29:32
  A million abortions here in the United States.
• 29:34
  What's your number? You're in the Are You Australia
• 29:36
  around 100,000. Yeah, we're in 100.
• 29:38
  Thousand OK yeah, and our. Population is very small
• 29:41
  27,000,000, you guys are 300 million.
• 29:43
  It's devastating. So you are.
• 29:45
  We are in the middle of extreme injustice that we are working to
• 29:49
  do our best to respond to, right, with all of our own flaws
• 29:52
  and, and faults and everything else.
• 29:54
  And so I'm very proud to be American.
• 29:57
  I'm proud of this country and grateful for it.
• 30:00
  But there's a lot of things that I am not proud of that we do and
• 30:04
  that are shameful and that we need to call out.
• 30:07
  And so how do you approach that with, you know, balancing
• 30:11
  patriotism, which I think we owe a sense of duty to our country.
• 30:16
  Of course we have a civic duty. Yeah.
• 30:18
  We owe something to our neighbors.
• 30:19
  It's because of this project that we care about of, of our
• 30:21
  neighbors. We care about our neighbors.
• 30:23
  But at the same time, we we owe also to call them higher and to
• 30:27
  call out the evil. Yes.
• 30:28
  Yeah, and and and I'll go. My goal is never to destroy the
• 30:31
  country I'm in. I want them to repent.
• 30:33
  My goal is for the country to repent.
• 30:35
  It's it's and by the way, every prophet in the Bible went up to
• 30:38
  the king and told them to repent.
• 30:40
  When people tell me to stay out of politics, I'm like, man,
• 30:42
  Elijah went to King Ahab. I've been told them to repent
• 30:44
  loving. And that's.
• 30:46
  Yeah. And that's, that's a part of
• 30:47
  loving our nation, by the way. So there's a tension.
• 30:49
  I don't hate my nation, but I'm not tolerating what they're
• 30:51
  doing. Yeah, I'm not hating enough to
• 30:53
  burn a flag, but I'm not tolerating their sin that I'm
• 30:56
  going to let them butcher babies and say nothing about it.
• 30:58
  What I can do in this country is speak against the sin.
• 31:01
  I will speak about it. And if you don't like something
• 31:03
  the country is doing you, you have freedom of speech here.
• 31:06
  You actually, you get the honor in this country.
• 31:08
  In Muslim countries, you don't have freedom of speech, by the
• 31:10
  way. But in this country, you get
• 31:11
  freedom of speech. If you don't like what you what
• 31:13
  you see, vote against it, talk about it, post about it.
• 31:16
  But burning the American flag, now you're going an extreme
• 31:20
  where you're no longer telling your country to repent from an
• 31:23
  idea or a worldview or a policy. Now you're saying I want to
• 31:26
  destroy this country. Yeah.
• 31:28
  Which you can't do that, right? You can't come in the country
• 31:30
  and want to destroy it. So it sounds like this happened
• 31:32
  recently, this burning of the flag?
• 31:33
  Yeah. And And was the protest about
• 31:36
  Islam or no? Was that OK?
• 31:38
  No. So it was a mixed up.
• 31:39
  So you have the, you have the, the white Australians who have
• 31:42
  lacked discernment. They're pro Palestine and, you
• 31:46
  know, pro. Palestine was around.
• 31:47
  Israel. Israel, Yeah, so.
• 31:49
  So, so they're, so they're burning the Australian flag
• 31:52
  because Australia supports Israel.
• 31:54
  Yeah, so, so it was a mixture. You have the white Australians
• 31:56
  who lacked discernment and they're burning the flag.
• 31:59
  They're saying, you know, they're.
• 32:01
  Saying the same way Australians colonized from with Indigenous
• 32:04
  people, that's what Israel's doing.
• 32:06
  That's what they're trying to link that comparison, yeah.
• 32:08
  That's why they're saying, they're saying we are the
• 32:11
  aggressors ourselves, yes. So therefore we're going to, so
• 32:14
  are they, are they, are they going to deport themselves?
• 32:18
  We have a free day, day in Australia where we say sorry to
• 32:22
  the Indigenous people, like Australians just have this thing
• 32:25
  of hating themselves rather than like let's at some point move on
• 32:28
  from the past, look at the past and say this was good, this was
• 32:31
  bad. Forgive.
• 32:33
  Like we just want to stay in the past as Australians.
• 32:35
  Like at some point it's not sorry day, like it's forgive
• 32:38
  day. Let's move on and let's
• 32:39
  celebrate. Because I think with that I see
• 32:42
  there is such high value in seeing what we've done wrong in
• 32:45
  the past and being sorry for it in the sense that I'm sorry that
• 32:48
  my country did this right. But in terms of a personal sin
• 32:53
  for that, obviously people today are, they're not responsible for
• 32:55
  what their ancestors did, but there is a collective, there is
• 32:57
  a level of collective responsibility that does that
• 32:59
  does exist. But what to do with that, right.
• 33:02
  And, and I, I do think there is, I, I find it less about the self
• 33:08
  flagellation is less of the issue for me as much as the
• 33:11
  hypocrisy where they're saying that we care so much about, you
• 33:15
  know, how we treated people in the past, but you're, you're
• 33:18
  boarding babies up till nine months or whatever, whatever it
• 33:20
  might be. And by the way, when it comes
• 33:22
  with anything with hypocrisy, this is where like constant
• 33:25
  examinations of consciousness for us as Christians and us
• 33:28
  getting on our knees before God and like confessing our sins.
• 33:30
  And because we can all suffer from that, we can all suffer
• 33:33
  from pride. And if we are called to speak
• 33:35
  moral truth into the unclarity, we need to obviously be checking
• 33:38
  our hearts constantly. Virtue signalling.
• 33:41
  It's a lot of it's virtue signalling.
• 33:42
  When there's a million babies dying and you don't speak for
• 33:44
  them, but you speak for the Palestinian kids, you're virtue
• 33:47
  signalling. I'm not saying don't stand up
• 33:48
  for for whatever injustice. You believe?
• 33:50
  In I'm not saying don't stand up, but I'm saying you better
• 33:53
  stand up for abortion. Don't don't be going around the
• 33:55
  street speaking against, you know, murdering animals and cows
• 33:58
  and that and not speak about the murder of babies.
• 34:01
  So I think it's virtuous signaling a lot of them.
• 34:03
  They just want to get, you know, they, they, they want to get the
• 34:06
  collapse. And I'm like, well, as we spoke
• 34:07
  about before, you're not speaking like the Christians
• 34:09
  dying. You're not.
• 34:10
  And by the way, Christians, I think we need to be focused on
• 34:14
  the Christians that are dying around the world because they
• 34:16
  are brothers and sisters in Christ.
• 34:18
  My brothers, by the way, are not my Egyptian friends.
• 34:20
  I think we have this with loyalty to our culture.
• 34:23
  My brothers and sisters are those who do the will of the
• 34:26
  Father, which is what Jesus did. So if in Nigeria, Christians are
• 34:29
  dying, sometimes as I'm scrolling through, I see and,
• 34:32
  and you know, I just keep scrolling and, and the Holy
• 34:35
  Spirit convicts me. It's like, no, if that was your
• 34:36
  real brother dying, what would you do?
• 34:38
  That's my real brother. What do you think we should do
• 34:40
  for the persecuted church? And what is there something that
• 34:42
  we can do for the persecuted church in Egypt?
• 34:44
  I mean, yeah, what's the connection like now that you
• 34:46
  guys have moved to Australia and you built a life there?
• 34:49
  Yeah, I think every church needs to be praying for the persecuted
• 34:53
  church as though it was their own church.
• 34:55
  Like, how would you respond if there was a mother in your
• 34:58
  church who somebody came and shot that mother's kids in front
• 35:02
  of the church building? How would you respond?
• 35:04
  I think most churches would gather together, would pray over
• 35:07
  that mother. And I believe that's what we
• 35:08
  should do for our brothers and sisters all across the world.
• 35:11
  Like as soon as we hear about this, the church needs to get
• 35:13
  together and and stop praying for our brothers and sisters.
• 35:16
  I think prayer is our greatest weapon and we need to just get
• 35:19
  the get the word out and spread awareness that this is really
• 35:21
  happening so people understand what is going on in the world.
• 35:25
  And I want to be careful, by the way, to make sure people know
• 35:27
  that when I talk about terrorism and and the killing of
• 35:30
  Christians and persecution, I talk about it as if it's
• 35:32
  happening just in the Middle East.
• 35:33
  I'm warning the West that it is coming into the West.
• 35:36
  In Australia, where we are 20 minutes from our church.
• 35:39
  You guys saw it here, went viral, Bishop Mara Murray, you
• 35:41
  know Bishop Mara Murray, the one who got stabbed in the face,
• 35:43
  that video went viral here a few months ago.
• 35:45
  That church was 20 minutes away from us, a Muslim kid, a 16 year
• 35:49
  old Muslim kid. This is not Middle East, this is
• 35:51
  Australia. This is an immigrant.
• 35:53
  Or a native. No, he's an, he's a Muslim
• 35:56
  immigrant who came here. I don't know what country is,
• 35:58
  but he's a Muslim Arabic man, 16 year old, 16 year old kid.
• 36:02
  He traveled, he traveled 90 minutes to that church Wednesday
• 36:06
  night when he had service. He walked with a knife through
• 36:09
  the whole way of the church to the pulpit, went to stab Bishop
• 36:12
  Maramar in the face. And you guys can see that video.
• 36:14
  Check it out if you haven't. So the the the terrorism and the
• 36:17
  knife attacks is moving into the West.
• 36:19
  I have friends in France, pastors who say now there's a
• 36:22
  knife attack in my city every week.
• 36:25
  Why? Because of Muslims.
• 36:26
  The Muslims and again, some Muslims are nice, but when you
• 36:29
  invite the Muslim ideologies in and world views, this is what
• 36:33
  you get. You get terrorism and you get
• 36:34
  knife attacks. Incredible because Bishop Mari
• 36:36
  Mari, like you just talked about who was stabbed in the face by
• 36:40
  a, you know, as a kid who was brainwashed by jihadi.
• 36:44
  Yeah, rhetoric, basically. He publicly forgave his
• 36:48
  attacker. Yes, and that's, and that's.
• 36:50
  Beautiful. So I got 2 responses.
• 36:52
  I want I, I love, I love the Muslims, I love the Muslims and
• 36:55
  I want them to come to Christ. I want the Muslim ladies who are
• 36:58
  oppressed by their husbands and getting beat up.
• 37:00
  I feel sorry for them. I pray for them.
• 37:02
  I pray that this this covering and I believe that the burqa
• 37:05
  that they cover their face with one time God really showed me
• 37:08
  this wasn't just a physical covering.
• 37:10
  This is a spiritual demonic covering over them that is
• 37:12
  blinding them from seeing Jesus Christ as Lord.
• 37:15
  I believe the men, the woman, the woman of Islam are the most
• 37:18
  oppressed, the children are the most oppressed and I'm praying
• 37:20
  that they come to Christ. I'm praying of any Muslim lady
• 37:23
  listening to me as she hears the difference between Mohammed and
• 37:25
  Jesus. I pray that you would turn to
• 37:27
  Christ and I pray that you would repent of your sin and see Jesus
• 37:30
  not as your prophet, but as your Lord.
• 37:32
  And I'm praying for revival. But on the other hand, I'm also
• 37:34
  warning America. I'm warning America, you have to
• 37:37
  be careful. You cannot allow a Muslim city
• 37:39
  like they want to build epic city in Texas.
• 37:42
  This is a new thing with the Muslims want to build a whole
• 37:44
  city that is ran by Sharia law, that is ran by Muslims.
• 37:47
  Only Muslims are allowed to live there.
• 37:49
  Muslim lawyers, Muslim doctors. I'm like, wait a second, you're
• 37:52
  bringing a Muslim country in the middle of a Christian country
• 37:54
  that's not accepted here. You can come and pray.
• 37:56
  There's freedom of religion. You can build a mosque if you
• 37:58
  want, but don't, don't be trying to bring Sharia law and Sharia
• 38:02
  law is what destroyed your country.
• 38:03
  Like this is what I find fascinating, the status.
• 38:05
  Of that, do we know? Does that no the bill the Texas
• 38:08
  are fighting I was. Just fighting.
• 38:10
  Oh yeah, we will speak because it represented not, she said.
• 38:12
  There's no way it's going. To Yeah, that's against the.
• 38:14
  State law. Wrong.
• 38:16
  I mean, they can have a certain level of self governance in
• 38:18
  terms of obviously things that are constitutional rights, but
• 38:21
  they can't say if you enter this physical space, you have to live
• 38:25
  by our laws and not the laws of Texas. 100%.
• 38:28
  But you we got to be very. But if there are parts of,
• 38:30
  excuse me, there are parts of Europe now, they're actually
• 38:33
  allowing the Sharia law to be, I don't know how that works.
• 38:37
  What what is the superior law? Is it the UK law or the French
• 38:42
  law? Or is it the Sharia law in those
• 38:44
  cases? So as a Muslim, when you commit
• 38:47
  a crime, you can decide what under what justice system do you
• 38:50
  want to get judged by? So as a Muslim guy, if I, you
• 38:53
  know, rape a woman, OK, don't want to be judged under the, you
• 38:57
  know, the the law of the country or Sharia law and you get to
• 38:59
  decide. And it's an awesome because
• 39:00
  under Sharia law you can rape and.
• 39:03
  That's why we see those in crazy short prison sentences like the
• 39:07
  21 year old who the 13 year old girl and then she he's
• 39:12
  completely let off the hook because of cultural differences
• 39:14
  or something. Exactly, that's crazy.
• 39:16
  Europe is Europe is gone. London is gone with they lost it
• 39:20
  like England where John Wesley saw a revival in the 1700s, now
• 39:24
  is literally ran by Muslims and, and, and, and it really shows
• 39:28
  you that that if America does not wake up, America will become
• 39:31
  London. New York will become London.
• 39:34
  If New York elects that Zamran Mamdani guy, it will become
• 39:37
  London. It will become friends.
• 39:38
  He seems such like, such a walking contradiction to him
• 39:41
  exactly because he talks the language of the far left when it
• 39:45
  comes to things like, yeah, abortion, homosexuality,
• 39:48
  homosexuality, which are anathema to most Muslims, but
• 39:51
  certainly fundamentalist Islam. Like, that's not you.
• 39:54
  You don't support those things. You know that you're very roof.
• 39:57
  You could. Yeah.
• 39:58
  There's a tremendous persecution of anybody who even is perceived
• 40:01
  to be. Homosexual in, in very, I would
• 40:04
  say fundamentalist if we want to use that word, Muslim country.
• 40:07
  So he's doing that and at the same time, exactly is he a
• 40:10
  practicing Muslim? Yeah.
• 40:11
  Zomran Mendani is a very interesting guy.
• 40:14
  This guy, when I look at him, I can see right through him.
• 40:17
  In Islam, they have a they have a teaching called takea.
• 40:21
  Takea is where you're allowed to lie for the sake of spreading
• 40:24
  Islam. And this is when I look at
• 40:26
  Zamran Mamdani going the street, acting like an American kind of
• 40:29
  one day and then acting like a Muslim one day, Acting like, you
• 40:32
  know, eating with his hand one day and then acting in a wearing
• 40:34
  a suit like his Western eyes. I look at this guy and I, I look
• 40:38
  at him and I'm like, I think he's practicing Takea.
• 40:40
  Takea is where you're allowed to lie.
• 40:42
  Muhammad commands you, you can lie for the sake of spreading
• 40:45
  Islam. And Zamran Mandani is either
• 40:48
  practicing Takea right now when he says, I love the trans
• 40:51
  community. I want to, I want to build, you
• 40:52
  know, fund them and, and, and, and give them funding and, and
• 40:55
  money and all that. He's either practicing Takea
• 40:57
  because under Islam, transgenders and homosexuals
• 41:00
  must be executed or he's not a Muslim one of them.
• 41:04
  And I would love for him to be very clear.
• 41:07
  Or he is, is he a cafeteria Muslim?
• 41:09
  They talk about like cafeteria Catholics where they say I'm a
• 41:12
  Catholic, I'm a Catholic. And it's like when you go to
• 41:14
  Mass, but you don't, you don't live the teachings of the of the
• 41:16
  faith. And you might even be receiving
• 41:18
  it unholy, like receiving the sacrament, because you're,
• 41:21
  you're not, you're not, you're living in mortal sin or you're
• 41:25
  not actually keeping the Sabbath holy and going to Mass or the.
• 41:27
  Term like Christian atheist You call yourself a Christian, but
• 41:29
  you live like an. Atheism.
• 41:30
  But you think that your your suspicion, based on your
• 41:33
  experience living in Egypt and growing up in Egypt, is that
• 41:36
  it's something more minister than that.
• 41:37
  He's not a cafeteria Muslim. You think that there might be
• 41:39
  something more sinister going on with?
• 41:40
  One of them, I'm not sure which one it is, it's either he's a
• 41:43
  very lukewarm or not a Muslim at all, or he's practicing Takea.
• 41:48
  I hope he's just not a real Muslim because if he is
• 41:50
  practicing Takea and New York NY votes this guy in, good luck.
• 41:55
  New York will be turned into a mosque.
• 41:57
  People will be praying in the street.
• 41:58
  And it's happening right now. By the way, New York is already
• 42:00
  the Muslims are praying loud and proud on the streets, you know,
• 42:03
  saying Allah Akbar and all that stuff.
• 42:05
  So I hope he's just Muslim, but if he is practicing to Kia, good
• 42:09
  luck to New York. You need to vote this guy out.
• 42:12
  What do you see in terms of you saw conversions happening in
• 42:16
  Egypt through your father's ministry?
• 42:20
  You're both now in Australia. We were talking before we
• 42:23
  started the podcast about conversions happening in the
• 42:26
  Muslim world. I'm curious what you see
• 42:28
  happening now and then also what you see just happening in
• 42:31
  Australia with people waking up to the truth about the humanity
• 42:36
  of the baby, the dignity of the person, Christianity.
• 42:40
  How are things looking? I will speak about, as long as
• 42:42
  you can speak about the preachers, what God is doing
• 42:44
  there. God is definitely moving like I
• 42:46
  never want to. I know sometimes we sound very
• 42:48
  negative. You know, all this happening, No
• 42:50
  Christ is victorious, God wins. God is God is on the throne in,
• 42:55
  in, in Muslim countries. Although Islam might be moving
• 42:58
  to the West and taking over, God is moving in the Muslim
• 43:00
  countries. God never loses in Indonesia
• 43:03
  1,000,000 Muslims come to Christ every single year in Indonesia.
• 43:07
  Last month we were preaching in Indonesia, and during my sermon,
• 43:09
  I look at the back and there's Muslim ladies in a hijab writing
• 43:13
  notes and reading their Bible. And the reason they're in a
• 43:15
  hijab is not because they're Muslim, is because they're
• 43:17
  scared of someone taking a photo and their parents finding out.
• 43:19
  So God is moving. In fact, in Gaza, being they're
• 43:22
  undercover, they're undercover Christians because they're
• 43:25
  Christians, they'll get killed. They'll get killed if their
• 43:27
  parents find out about it. So they're wearing hijab
• 43:29
  interests. So God is moving in.
• 43:31
  In Gaza, a few months ago, 200 Gazans saw a vision of Jesus the
• 43:35
  same night and became Christians.
• 43:36
  In Iran, they have 75,000 mosques.
• 43:40
  In 2023, the Muslim leader got up worried and fearful.
• 43:44
  He said there are 50,000 mosques shutting down across Iran.
• 43:48
  Why defunding young people don't want to go, Lots of reasons.
• 43:51
  But what I'm saying is God is moving in the Middle East.
• 43:54
  God is moving there is revival happening while the Christians
• 43:56
  are getting killed in Egypt. Last week, when that mother, the
• 43:59
  Christian mother came out of the church and three of her boys
• 44:01
  were chopped up in pieces, guess what the church did?
• 44:04
  The church decided we're going to March through the street
• 44:06
  praying the Lord's Prayer. They're going to March through
• 44:09
  the streets of Egypt. Not scared, not terrified,
• 44:12
  declaring the name of Jesus. Christians are waking up.
• 44:15
  God is moving. There is revival happening.
• 44:17
  The question is, is God gonna bring revival in your nation?
• 44:20
  So God is moving and with the preachers.
• 44:22
  Yeah, well, even just to add on to that, this is not the time
• 44:25
  where Christians can act like God is not still the God of
• 44:28
  miracles. Like we can't be in that, that,
• 44:30
  that zone anymore because the truth is, as we're kind of
• 44:33
  getting to before, we're not wrestling against flesh and
• 44:36
  blood, but against powers and principalities of evil.
• 44:39
  So this whole thing we see, as you've mentioned, you're seeing
• 44:42
  so many Muslims having dreams in, in the middle of the night
• 44:45
  and God is moving through a supernatural way because these
• 44:50
  people, the truth is it's a, it's a demonic thing.
• 44:52
  There is a demonic stronghold, I believe.
• 44:54
  Well, his dad has so many stories of just walking through,
• 44:57
  you know, prison cells and just people are manifesting and and
• 45:00
  are being cost out just by human we.
• 45:02
  Welcome. Plenty of demons ourselves as
• 45:04
  cultures just because of playing with witchcraft.
• 45:06
  And yes. Oh yeah, you know, Yeah.
• 45:09
  What? They did how they fought for
• 45:13
  their country. Yeah, so, so in Panama they were
• 45:15
  by. The way I do think you're on to
• 45:16
  something there because when I look at jihadists like what it
• 45:20
  took for these men to crash planes into airplanes, what it
• 45:23
  took for those men to butcher those boys outside of the
• 45:25
  church. I believe it's more than.
• 45:27
  Of course there's demonic presence there.
• 45:29
  I mean, of course, who did Muhammad claims he heard from An
• 45:32
  Angel, a God's Angel. Who is that?
• 45:34
  Like that is Satan, clearly, because he's not telling the
• 45:36
  God's truth to them, to him. So 100%.
• 45:39
  Clearly there's a demonic origin there.
• 45:40
  Yeah, and it would be foolish for us to think that there isn't
• 45:43
  demonic activity today, especially with regard to these
• 45:47
  like horrific treatment of children of women.
• 45:51
  Terrorism. Yeah.
• 45:52
  I mean, people, people. I think sometimes Christians
• 45:54
  forget that demons don't die. They're acting like all of these
• 45:57
  stories we see in the Bible, like just like, you know, we see
• 46:00
  in mocked up to five, a man who is filled with the legion of
• 46:03
  demons and Jesus comes up to this man.
• 46:05
  And the saddest reality for me, like going not even just talking
• 46:08
  about Muslims, just talking about the West in general.
• 46:11
  The saddest reality for me is the fact that if that man who
• 46:14
  was cutting himself, it says he was cutting himself with stones.
• 46:18
  It says he was crying out day and night that chains weren't
• 46:20
  even able to subdue him. And so he was living out
• 46:24
  residing in the cemetery. The saddest reality for me today
• 46:27
  is the fact that this man filled with the legion of demons, if he
• 46:30
  was around today, the Christians wouldn't be like, let's pray for
• 46:34
  this man, intercede for this man.
• 46:35
  Many Christians would believe the false lie that oh, this man
• 46:38
  is is wrestling with mental health.
• 46:40
  Let's just put him in like a group home.
• 46:42
  Let's just put him on medication to numb his brain.
• 46:44
  That's why we need a lot of exorcists.
• 46:46
  Yeah. We, we have a lot of them on the
• 46:48
  show because there is a process, a formal process that the
• 46:50
  Catholic Church uses, which is you, you do a mental health
• 46:53
  evaluation. You do do that because sometimes
• 46:55
  there is a mental health element or it could be a mental health
• 46:57
  issue, but a lot of the times it isn't.
• 46:59
  Yeah. And then you go through a
• 47:02
  process because you are dealing with demonic, demonic run.
• 47:07
  You don't want to. You don't want to pretend like,
• 47:09
  oh, I'm, I know everything. I can deal with this.
• 47:11
  I mean, in the name of Jesus, obviously we have power and his
• 47:15
  name is powerful, but we, I think the word discernment that
• 47:20
  you used earlier merely is such an important word for any of
• 47:23
  this when it has to do with understanding.
• 47:26
  And I also think when we're talking about Muslims, again,
• 47:29
  yes, I do think there's largely A demonic presence there in
• 47:32
  Islam that was a source of Islam.
• 47:35
  The individual motivations and issues, the mindsets of, you
• 47:39
  know, a terror like a Muslim terrorist.
• 47:41
  What is that? We could probably have a whole.
• 47:44
  Yeah, you. Know there's a tremendous amount
• 47:45
  of research that could be done on that spiritual perspective.
• 47:48
  I'm sure every case has its differences, but I think your
• 47:50
  point is that Christians can't be sleepy anymore about this.
• 47:54
  We don't have anything on anything, but we certainly with
• 47:57
  regard to our Muslim brothers and sisters that we love, we
• 48:00
  want them to come to Christ. But the foundations of Islam
• 48:03
  being so antithetical to the teachings of Jesus.
• 48:06
  Yeah, we, we Christians can't be sleepy.
• 48:08
  And I believe like this goes right back to what we were
• 48:10
  saying at the beginning of where does our boldness come from?
• 48:12
  Christians, we don't have an option anymore to just be
• 48:16
  playing church and playing, you know, I'll just tick off the box
• 48:19
  and I'll go whatever. No, we need to be wrestling in
• 48:23
  our rooms, going in, shutting the door of reading scripture
• 48:26
  and getting very close to the heart of God because boldness to
• 48:29
  be able to stand up to whatever is going in society, it only
• 48:33
  comes in the presence of God. You know, a lot of people ask
• 48:36
  like, where does this boldness come from?
• 48:38
  And they assume that we just have these like loud
• 48:40
  personalities, Like it's a personality trait.
• 48:42
  Maybe you're charismatic. It's just the way that you hold
• 48:45
  yourself. That couldn't be more more of a
• 48:47
  lie for me. Like I am the total opposite of
• 48:50
  I was extremely shy growing up. Extremely.
• 48:54
  Like my testimony is at the age of 8, I feel the presence of
• 48:58
  God. I'm just attending kids church.
• 48:59
  Nobody's praying over me, but I just feel the power of God at
• 49:03
  the age of 8 and I, I just fall into his presence.
• 49:06
  And from the age of 8 onwards, I knew that the call of God in my
• 49:10
  life was to speak whatever word God gave me.
• 49:13
  From the age of eight, I knew I was placed on this earth to be a
• 49:16
  mouthpiece for God. And I'm like, that's interesting
• 49:19
  because God, that couldn't be more antithetical to me as a
• 49:21
  person. I'm the most shy, quiet,
• 49:24
  insecure young girl and you want to use my mouth like I was the
• 49:27
  type of girl that let alone like speaking in front of an
• 49:31
  audience, I would hide in the bathroom at church after the
• 49:33
  service because I didn't want to have a conversation.
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  Like I was like social anxiety to the Max.
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  And I'm like, God, OK, you are calling me to something that is
• 49:41
  completely opposite to what I am gifted or skilled at.
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  Why is that? And I now know in in retrospect,
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  it's so that he gets all the glory.
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  He calls people to things that they are not naturally skilled
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  at so that he gets the glory. So that I can say this, this is
• 49:54
  not by my own doing or my own personality or my own giftings.
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  It is only by the Spirit of God. And then people ask us a lot.
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  So where do you get your boldness from?
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  And it's simply in Acts chapter 4.
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  I love how the Bible tells us that the people were amazed at
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  the boldness of Peter and John. It says they're amazed at their
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  boldness. And it says the very next verse
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  is so they perceived that these men had been with Jesus.
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  So these men were bold and it made people understand that they
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  must have spent time with Jesus. And the truth is, if you lack
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  boldness to speak up against abortion, to speak about all of
• 50:30
  these topics in society today, If you lack boldness, the very
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  simple answer is get in the presence of God, be with the
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  one, the spirit that gives you the power to speak and he will
• 50:41
  give you boldness. And that is my story.
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  When I was, you know, years back when I was spending time, as I
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  said before, spending time in his presence.
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  All of a sudden this boldness came over me when I realized it
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  is the absolute truth that we must speak up for those who
• 50:55
  cannot speak for themselves. And all of a sudden, it wasn't
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  by might nor by power, but it was the Spirit of God inside of
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  me that bubbled up and made me say, I cannot stay silent about
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  this. And so I don't believe in there
• 51:08
  being such a thing as Christians who are just quiet.
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  I don't believe in that. I believe in different
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  personality types. I am quiet by nature, but I
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  don't believe in silent Christians.
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  I don't believe that's a thing because I believe.
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  And it's interesting, this word for boldness when it says that
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  they saw the boldness of Peter and John.
• 51:25
  This word for boldness in the Greek is the word parasia, which
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  means unreserved speech or it means not speaking with
• 51:32
  ambiguity or trying to cover. You know, there's preachers now,
• 51:35
  but you're like, I don't really know what these preacher belief.
• 51:38
  There are a lot of preachers now where you're like, I don't know
• 51:40
  if you believe abortion is wrong because they speak in this like,
• 51:43
  you know this like metaphorical language vague like they'll say
• 51:46
  don't sin, but they won't call what is a sin.
• 51:49
  They won't they. Don't want to get practical out
• 51:50
  of fear of offense. Yeah, like preachers need to be
• 51:53
  more dogmatic. Like, tell me what is wrong.
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  Like, we hear people all the time say people know that, you
• 51:59
  know, sin is bad. They already know what's wrong.
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  I'm like, do they like, do people know that homosexuality,
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  sin doesn't look like it? We got pride parades, people
• 52:06
  celebrating the sin of pride. I'm like, I don't think people
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  know what is a sin and I love that.
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  Boldness, according to this Greek parasia, means not
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  speaking in a roundabout way, covering it up.
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  No, just plainly say abortion is an evil of our time and we must
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  speak up for the unborn and it comes from the presence of God.
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  That boldness comes in the presence of God do.
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  You feel like that is through your preaching and other people
• 52:31
  having boldness. I think about someone like
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  Joanne, Anna Howe who is amazing doing work in Australia and
• 52:38
  others. Do you think that there is a
• 52:40
  tide that's beginning to turn in Australia?
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  Yes. God is moving people, getting
• 52:44
  yeah awakened. Boldness.
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  Boldness is contagious. I mean, it says that they had
• 52:49
  been with Jesus. That's where their bonus came
• 52:51
  from. So the bonus of Jesus, it, it
• 52:54
  flew, it moved on to them. It's a contagious thing and
• 52:57
  we're seeing that. And Gen.
• 52:58
  Z, by the way, are finished with lukewarm spirits.
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  They're finished. So I think the reason, the
• 53:04
  reason a lot of preachers now are starting to speak the truth.
• 53:06
  There's a part of it that's spiritual, a part of it is just
• 53:09
  progressive Christianity is not in business anymore.
• 53:12
  It's not working like 15 years ago if you got.
• 53:14
  Seeing that in Australia first hand.
• 53:16
  Australia. America.
• 53:17
  Like, well, it looks. Indistinguishable.
• 53:18
  The problem is it looks indistinguishable from the
• 53:20
  culture. Yeah, it's just like extra nice
• 53:23
  culture. I think you're a better Ted talk
• 53:25
  than a preacher. Like if that's what I'm here
• 53:26
  for, a Ted talk. Or well, people told us when we
• 53:29
  preach the truth, your church is going to be empty.
• 53:32
  We're seeing the opposite. Our church is full.
• 53:34
  God is moving. Gen.
• 53:35
  Z are flocking to our church because Gen.
• 53:37
  Z are not progressive like the Gen.
• 53:39
  Z. What I love about Gen.
• 53:40
  Z is they're they're on fire and they'll either be on fire for
• 53:43
  the world or fight for God. They're not in the middle
• 53:45
  anymore. They're very passionate people
• 53:48
  and they're looking for, they're looking for something to back
• 53:50
  with their whole life. And that's what we're seeing in
• 53:52
  our church. We're seeing, we're seeing young
• 53:54
  men come in our church with a dress on and I hear our sermon
• 53:57
  for six months. They hate us.
• 53:58
  We tell them, don't come to church in a dress.
• 54:00
  And we told them you can't come to church.
• 54:01
  You can come, we love you, but you can't wear a dress when you
• 54:03
  come here. And he looks at us angry.
• 54:05
  He doesn't want to say hi to us. He's looking down.
• 54:07
  We try to shake his hand. He doesn't want to Gen.
• 54:10
  Z. And six months later, he's on
• 54:11
  the floor, on his knees, repenting.
• 54:13
  Now he's in the House of God building church.
• 54:15
  He doesn't identify as homosexual anymore.
• 54:17
  So God is really moving in Gen. Z and the older generation, I
• 54:20
  think they're looking. The older preachers are looking
• 54:23
  and they're like, man, our strategy is not working anymore.
• 54:25
  We need to start preaching. Truth.
• 54:27
  Yeah, so. And I'm starting to notice a
• 54:28
  shift. Got it.
• 54:29
  It's it's preachers are starting to realize what we always should
• 54:32
  have realized and it's that the truth does set people free.
• 54:35
  Covering up the truth and avoiding conversations.
• 54:38
  It doesn't actually set people free.
• 54:39
  It keeps them in chains. The amount of women that have
• 54:42
  come to our church having had many abortions in their past,
• 54:46
  coming to our church saying thank you for fight.
• 54:48
  Like finally someone tells me this was wrong.
• 54:51
  Like you, you'd say it how it is it it's murder and you tell me
• 54:54
  it was wrong. Now I can finally repent because
• 54:57
  I know it's wrong and I can be set free.
• 54:59
  And they're saying now finally the people think that, you know,
• 55:03
  don't speak about abortion in church because it's going to
• 55:05
  lead to shame. I'm like the women are already
• 55:07
  feeling that shame and it's actually not speaking about it
• 55:11
  that causes someone to feel ashamed.
• 55:12
  It's not speaking about it that keeps them in their shame.
• 55:16
  I think about David, King David. It's the unrepentant sin of him
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  with Bathsheba that was causing him to feel the heavy hand of
• 55:23
  God on him. And it wasn't until he repented
• 55:26
  and therefore experienced the forgiveness of God that that
• 55:28
  weight comes off his shoulders. And that's what we're seeing.
• 55:31
  If we just preach the truth, then that truth comes to
• 55:36
  people's minds, then they can actually change their mind,
• 55:38
  repent metanoia and experience the forgiveness of God.
• 55:42
  And so a lot of people, you know, they, they cover up the
• 55:45
  Bible. Let's not talk about the stuff
• 55:46
  that's going to hurt or offend anybody.
• 55:48
  They're covering it up. They're removing scriptures.
• 55:49
  They won't talk about certain things acting as though the word
• 55:52
  of God is like a pillow here to comfort you in your sleep and in
• 55:56
  your sin. The word of God is not a pillow.
• 55:58
  The word of God is described as a double edged sword in Hebrews
• 56:00
  412. And by covering it up and
• 56:02
  putting pillows and wrapping around the Scripture now, no,
• 56:05
  it's actually not able to peace people's hearts anymore, leading
• 56:08
  them to repentance. I think about Peter when he
• 56:10
  preached on the day of Pentecost, it says that the
• 56:12
  people were cut to the heart. So the Word of God is actually
• 56:14
  supposed to offend you, sometimes cut you, lead you to a
• 56:18
  place of conviction, ultimately to lead you to a place of
• 56:20
  repentance, then to lead you to a place of forgiveness.
• 56:24
  And so by covering up the Word of God, the sword of the Spirit,
• 56:26
  we're actually making the gospel ineffective.
• 56:29
  And I think preachers are starting to realize that because
• 56:31
  they're hearing of all of these stories in our Church of people
• 56:33
  being set free, people finding forgiveness for their abortions,
• 56:37
  people being set free from homosexuality and gender
• 56:40
  dysphoria, simply because we choose to believe that it is the
• 56:43
  truth that sets people free. If we just speak it, then God
• 56:46
  and his Spirit can change any heart.
• 56:48
  Yes, when we speak it. Charles No.
• 56:51
  Who was it? It was Charles Spurgeon who said
• 56:54
  the word of God is a lion. I think a lot of people today,
• 56:57
  they think the word of God is like a dog on a leash.
• 56:59
  You know, we got to keep it. And if the preachers are like,
• 57:01
  I'm not going to preach about this thing and they're
• 57:03
  controlling the word of God, they're they're keeping the word
• 57:06
  of God on a leash. I don't want to preach it.
• 57:07
  I don't want to offend people. Charles Spurgeon said the word
• 57:09
  of God is a lion and you don't tame a lion, you release it.
• 57:13
  The word of God is not something to tame.
• 57:14
  I'm going to, you know, put a leash on it and I'm going to
• 57:16
  make sure people don't get offended.
• 57:18
  It's a line you release. And that's what we do every time
• 57:20
  we step on the pulpit, wherever we go, I tell people, I'm not
• 57:22
  here to please you. I'm going to release the word of
• 57:24
  God. Whatever the word of God is, I'm
• 57:26
  going to say it and it can do whatever it wants.
• 57:28
  The lion might repeater shreds in in conviction.
• 57:32
  The line might come for you. I don't know what the water God
• 57:34
  is going to do, but I'm not here to tell the water God what to
• 57:36
  do. I'm just releasing.
• 57:37
  It yeah. What structure do you all use
• 57:39
  for protecting that voice that you're speaking with, where
• 57:44
  you're trying to speak what God would want you to speak, right?
• 57:47
  We are his human vessels that have our own brokenness, our own
• 57:51
  imperfections, our own sin. But God can use us incredibly
• 57:54
  because that's his he's our father.
• 57:56
  He wants to use us, our the spirit moves.
• 57:58
  So when you are preaching, I mean, I think you're so solid on
• 58:02
  life, right? That has been an incredible
• 58:04
  prophetic word that I've seen you speak and I think it's so
• 58:07
  desperately needed on marriage. Again, most churches won't touch
• 58:10
  it. So you're clearly on to
• 58:12
  something because it's very unusual, I think, for people,
• 58:16
  unfortunately, in mainstream Christianity to be talking so
• 58:19
  boldly on these issues. That being said, how do you, I,
• 58:23
  I guess with the question, we form your consciences on these
• 58:25
  issues and also discern when you're speaking that yes, I, I
• 58:30
  believe, I'm confident I'm speaking with the Spirit as
• 58:33
  opposed to, oh, this is my own invention, my imagination and
• 58:36
  all the imperfections that come with it.
• 58:37
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, my, the verse that
• 58:40
  always comes to mind is how what God said to the prophet
• 58:43
  Jeremiah, he said, Jeremiah, stand in the courtyard of your
• 58:46
  God, speak everything I've commanded you to speak and do
• 58:50
  not omit a word. I don't believe our job as
• 58:53
  preachers is to decide for ourselves.
• 58:56
  Let's put the Bible on a scale and decide what should we say
• 59:00
  and what shouldn't we say. Charles Spurgeon, he actually
• 59:02
  spoke about these kind of preachers who wouldn't speak
• 59:04
  about certain things in the Bible.
• 59:06
  And Charles Spurgeon said, he says, I see it as sheer
• 59:09
  arrogance for any man to decide not to speak about what the all
• 59:14
  wise gods saw fit to reveal in his word.
• 59:17
  It's sheer arrogance for me to put the Bible on a scale as if
• 59:20
  to say, I can say this, but maybe this might offend people,
• 59:24
  as though we wouldn't want the Bible to end up in the hands of
• 59:27
  anybody. I hope the Bible gets in the
• 59:29
  hands of everybody. So for us, it's very simple.
• 59:31
  We will speak whatever the Bible says, full stop.
• 59:34
  If it's in the Bible, we're speaking about it.
• 59:36
  We're not omitting a word, cursed as anyone who adds or
• 59:39
  takes away from the Word of God. And so that's our stance.
• 59:41
  If it's in the Bible, we will speak.
• 59:43
  And, and I think in the West American churches, a lot of them
• 59:46
  have focused a lot on the fire of the Holy Spirit.
• 59:48
  You know, there's a lot of, you know, very Pentecostal churches.
• 59:51
  And, and I believe in the move of the Holy Spirit.
• 59:53
  I believe in speaking in tongues.
• 59:54
  I believe in miracles. But we've emphasized so much on
• 59:57
  the fire of the Holy Spirit, but we forgot about the fire of the
• 59:59
  word of God. There's two types of fires in
• 1:00:01
  the Bible. The fire of the Holy Spirit that
• 1:00:03
  came on a day of Pentecost. But there is also fire of the
• 1:00:05
  Word of God. Where Jeremiah said his word is
• 1:00:08
  in my heart like a fire. A fire shut up in my bones.
• 1:00:11
  And Jeremiah said if I try to keep silent, Jeremiah even said
• 1:00:14
  I tried to keep silent. He said I didn't want to speak
• 1:00:16
  in his name, I didn't want to mention his word.
• 1:00:18
  But he said his word is in my heart like a fire, a fire shut
• 1:00:21
  up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in.
• 1:00:23
  And that's what I tell people. I tell people I'm not trying to
• 1:00:27
  be passionate, right? I'm not trying to yell.
• 1:00:30
  I'm not trying to to be extreme. I'm not trying to tell you stop
• 1:00:34
  about. I'm not trying to push.
• 1:00:35
  I'm just the word of God has filled me with fire.
• 1:00:38
  I can't sleep at night. Yeah, sometimes I can't sleep
• 1:00:40
  till 2:00 in the morning because God's speaking to me.
• 1:00:42
  And every time I get up on that pulpit, I do what John Wesley
• 1:00:45
  said. John Wesley said I light myself
• 1:00:47
  on fire and I let the world watch me burn.
• 1:00:48
  So is your process like I'm just going to read Holy Scripture and
• 1:00:51
  read and read and pray and pray and just like sit with it and
• 1:00:53
  then it just comes You get when when you preach, how do you
• 1:00:57
  prepare for your sermon? Yeah, I, I, I like to say what?
• 1:01:00
  Billy Graham. Billy Graham has an awesome
• 1:01:01
  quote. Billy Graham said I hold the
• 1:01:03
  newspaper on one hand and a Bible on one hand.
• 1:01:05
  Yeah, a lot of people are just holding a newspaper.
• 1:01:07
  They're focused on culture. They're like, oh, this is what's
• 1:01:10
  wrong and it's so negative. But a lot of people are holding
• 1:01:12
  just the Bible in their hand. What does that mean?
• 1:01:14
  Those are the preachers who, you know, expository preaching.
• 1:01:16
  And I love expository preaching or drama, but they go verse by
• 1:01:19
  verse and they preach the Bible, but they never related to the
• 1:01:21
  culture and the issues we're in. Billy Graham said, I hold the
• 1:01:24
  newspaper on one hand and the Bible on one hand.
• 1:01:25
  What we do when we prepare our sermon.
• 1:01:27
  I always thought about what's happening in the world.
• 1:01:30
  Pride parades. There is pride, there is
• 1:01:32
  selfishness, there is aborting our babies.
• 1:01:34
  What is happening on the newspaper.
• 1:01:36
  But then I don't end there. Then I'll pick up the word of
• 1:01:38
  God and I tell them, now let me tell you what the word of God
• 1:01:40
  says. We get what we're not preparing
• 1:01:42
  our sermon. I get my idea from, you know, a
• 1:01:44
  few texts in the Bible that say my worldview of preparation.
• 1:01:47
  The first one, when Jesus said Jesus never said do this, this,
• 1:01:50
  this. He says you have heard it said,
• 1:01:52
  but I say to you, you have heard it said that do not commit
• 1:01:56
  adultery. But I say to you, if you look at
• 1:01:58
  a woman's lust, you've committed adultery already.
• 1:02:00
  So that's what we get to do. We say you have heard it.
• 1:02:02
  Said. This is what culture is telling
• 1:02:04
  you. Culture is telling you that, you
• 1:02:06
  know, a man can sleep with a man and a woman can sleep with a
• 1:02:08
  woman. But now let me tell you what the
• 1:02:10
  word of God has to say. It's kind of like Elijah on
• 1:02:12
  Mount Carmel. I always think about that story.
• 1:02:14
  Why did Elijah not just go up with the prophets of Baal?
• 1:02:17
  You know that with that battle with the prophets of Baal, why
• 1:02:20
  didn't he just get up and just call on God to bring fire from
• 1:02:23
  heaven and just finish the show in 5 minutes?
• 1:02:25
  Why didn't he not just get glory to God in 5 minutes?
• 1:02:28
  He allowed them for about 8 hours to mock their God.
• 1:02:32
  Elijah said you talk to your God.
• 1:02:33
  Maybe your God's in the toilet, maybe your God is sleeping.
• 1:02:36
  Maybe you got and Elijah just sat there watching what culture
• 1:02:39
  is doing, watching what they're doing.
• 1:02:40
  And he allowed all of Israel to watch this.
• 1:02:42
  Why? He wanted to mock their God
• 1:02:44
  first. And then Elijah, the last 10
• 1:02:46
  minutes, he gets up, Let me show you my God.
• 1:02:49
  And every point I preach, I'm always saying this.
• 1:02:51
  I'm saying the world has told you this, but now let me tell
• 1:02:53
  you what God is telling you. Most preachers are saying Jesus
• 1:02:56
  is king. I'm saying he's king of kings.
• 1:02:59
  Most preachers are just saying Jesus is good, he's God.
• 1:03:01
  I'm saying no, he's the king of kings.
• 1:03:03
  He is God over Muhammad. He is God over Jehovah's
• 1:03:05
  Witnesses, over Mormonism. He is the king of kings.
• 1:03:08
  So when we're preaching, we're not just showing our God, we're
• 1:03:10
  showing the false God. And now we'll show you our God.
• 1:03:13
  Yeah, that's kind of the way I prepare.
• 1:03:14
  And that is the point of the church.
• 1:03:15
  I think sometimes we forget part of our role as described in the
• 1:03:19
  Bible is that the church is meant to be a pillar of truth in
• 1:03:22
  society. So our job as the church is not
• 1:03:25
  just to edify the believers and equip the Saints.
• 1:03:28
  It's to be in the middle of society, in the middle of
• 1:03:31
  culture pillars. In that time when Paul is
• 1:03:34
  speaking, they were put up, placed in the very center of a
• 1:03:37
  city. And at the top of the pillar it
• 1:03:40
  would be placed what was going on with the king, what the king
• 1:03:43
  believes. This is what the king is saying.
• 1:03:45
  This is what the king. This is the edict of the king.
• 1:03:48
  And so that's what the which is meant to be.
• 1:03:49
  We're not supposed to be just within the four walls staying.
• 1:03:52
  This is what we believe about this.
• 1:03:53
  Many Christians say, you know, I believe abortion is wrong, but
• 1:03:56
  who are we to tell the world let's just keep it to ourselves.
• 1:03:59
  No, we're supposed to be a pillar of truth in society,
• 1:04:01
  meaning we're supposed to be the moral compass of the world.
• 1:04:04
  Yeah, we have the word of God. We have the morality that God
• 1:04:08
  has given us. We're supposed to get that out
• 1:04:10
  in society and culture and say society is saying abort your
• 1:04:14
  babies. No, God is saying that life is
• 1:04:16
  sacred. So we're supposed to be out in
• 1:04:18
  the middle as a the pillar saying this is what King Jesus
• 1:04:21
  says to the society right now. That's what Christianity is
• 1:04:24
  meant to be. That's the church.
• 1:04:25
  What do you think is next for you both as a couple?
• 1:04:28
  So you're both pastoring right now in Australia.
• 1:04:30
  You sounds like you're travelling and speaking,
• 1:04:32
  preaching. You're very passionate about
• 1:04:35
  what's happening with Islam and the persecuted church.
• 1:04:38
  Yeah, yeah. We're, we're so we're, we're,
• 1:04:41
  we're posturing, you know, Echo Church next step, we're Echo
• 1:04:44
  Church is planting in Florida. So we're going to be planting in
• 1:04:46
  a church in, in USA 2026. So it's going to be a lot of
• 1:04:50
  travelling. We're going to be in a two
• 1:04:51
  months here, two months there. It looks like travelling.
• 1:04:54
  I think next month we're in Brazil preaching, next year in
• 1:04:57
  Europe preaching. We're just declaring the word of
• 1:04:59
  God and, and our goal, our heart is really to see a revival.
• 1:05:02
  We want to see an awakening. I'm not OK with, I'm not OK with
• 1:05:06
  Australia going to hell. I'm not OK with America going to
• 1:05:08
  hell. I'm not OK with pride parades
• 1:05:11
  filling the streets. I want Jesus Christ to fill the
• 1:05:14
  American streets that I want to see a revival.
• 1:05:17
  I don't want to see a few salvations.
• 1:05:18
  Although heaven rejoices, ever one Sinner repents.
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  I'm not happy with that. Yeah, I'm not happy with that.
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  The Kingdom of God will advance and it will win.
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  So we want to see a revival. Yeah, and we believe God is
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  sending us to different nations and what we saw in one
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  particular nation, Panama and Central America, that's what we
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  want to see in every nation we go to.
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  You know, in Panama, just quickly the story in Panama,
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  they were trying to pause. They were trying to pass through
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  in the legislation abortion laws where it's legal to abort your
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  baby up until nine months. They were trying to bring in gay
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  marriage. And whilst most countries say
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  Christians should stay out of politics, let people do whatever
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  they want, the Christians of Panama, we were there last year
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  in the biggest church in Panama. And the Christians there said,
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  no, we are the watch keepers of a nation and what we are the the
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  moral gatekeepers. We are here to be the moral
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  compass of this nation. And so the Christians did two
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  things. They decided we're going to go
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  out. Thousands of Christians,
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  hundreds of thousands of Christians went out into the
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  street to protest saying no, abortion will not be legal in
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  this nation. Gay marriage will not be legal
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  in this nation. And the other thing they did was
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  the church decided, they hired helicopters.
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  They went to all the corners of of the country of Panama with
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  anointing oil pouring out oil over the nation of the city of
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  Panama. And to this day, abortion is not
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  legal in Panama. Gay marriage.
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  That recently. We were preaching there.
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  We're preaching there next. That all happened within the
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  last few. Years in 2023, yeah.
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  Yeah. So abortion is not legal.
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  Gay marriage is not legal. And would you believe that in
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  June, when the rest of the world is celebrating pride and
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  homosexuality in Panama, it is a national holiday.
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  In June, family month, they are celebrating family month.
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  September, they celebrate Bible month, they won.
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  And that is what we want to see. We want to remind the
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  Christians, you are not here just to be saved and go to
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  heaven. If your job on this earth was
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  just to be saved and get out of here, then why did God keep you
• 1:07:11
  on this earth? You're here for a reason.
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  And it's to change the nation that God placed you in.
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  And so we're going from nation to nation telling the Christians
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  rise up, fight for justice, fight for morality, fight for
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  truth, and believe that you actually can change the outcome
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  of your nation. Yeah.
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  And in regards to our marriage where we've been married eight
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  years now, we're going to have lots of babies.
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  We were saying before, yes, you can count on me.
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  I'm going to have five at least babies.
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  We will adopt as many as we have to, if we have to.
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  Very passionate about babies because, you know, Islam is the
• 1:07:43
  fastest growing religion right now.
• 1:07:45
  Islam's not the biggest religion, but they're the
• 1:07:47
  fastest growing religion. We're at 2.7 billion Christians
• 1:07:51
  around the world. Islam's at 1.8 billion Muslims.
• 1:07:54
  But they're saying by 2050, Islam will outgrow Christianity,
• 1:07:57
  and not by conversion, but by procreation.
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  So meanwhile, in the West, while we're aborting our babies, in
• 1:08:03
  America while we're aborting our babies, a million babies are
• 1:08:06
  getting killed every year while the feminist movement is selling
• 1:08:08
  woman, you're too busy to have a kid or the entrepreneur spirit
• 1:08:12
  of the woman. You know, I only have one baby
• 1:08:14
  because I can't afford them. I can't have time for them.
• 1:08:16
  The Muslims are having at least four babies each each.
• 1:08:19
  So in Muslim families, while we're aborting our babies, while
• 1:08:21
  we're killing our babies, while the feminists are only having
• 1:08:23
  one or two babies because they're too busy, the Muslim
• 1:08:25
  families are having four babies each at least.
• 1:08:27
  And not only that, Muhammad commands the Muslims to the
• 1:08:30
  Muslim men are allowed to marry 4 wives.
• 1:08:33
  So now you do the mathematics. Muhammad had 11 wives.
• 1:08:35
  He doesn't allow his men to have 11.
• 1:08:37
  He tells him to have four wives. So now you go to a Muslim
• 1:08:39
  country, and even in Europe there's a lot of men with four
• 1:08:41
  wives. So they're having now 4 babies
• 1:08:45
  with one wife, and you do the math, 4 * 4.
• 1:08:48
  Each Muslim family is having at least 16 babies.
• 1:08:51
  So meanwhile we're aborting our babies and killing them, they're
• 1:08:53
  having 16. So this is the thing that people
• 1:08:56
  need to understand. That's why we're very passionate
• 1:08:58
  about people having children and married couples having babies.
• 1:09:02
  It's it's Christianity does not just grow by conversion.
• 1:09:04
  We grow by multiplication. The first commandment given to
• 1:09:07
  mankind was not going to convert someone.
• 1:09:09
  It was go and multiply. Pharaoh did not Pharaoh in Old
• 1:09:13
  Testament, he didn't feed the Hebrews because of conversions.
• 1:09:16
  He feed the Hebrews who were having so much babies.
• 1:09:18
  There was so much. He got terrified.
• 1:09:20
  And I believe one of the biggest things the church is lacking in
• 1:09:23
  the West today is we're not having babies.
• 1:09:25
  We're not having babies. We believe both babies are a
• 1:09:27
  burden. While Hannah said Lord bless me
• 1:09:29
  with a baby, the feminists are saying, Lord, take my baby.
• 1:09:32
  We serve the God as I said before that God of Abraham,
• 1:09:35
  Isaac and Jacob. But Abraham said they don't have
• 1:09:37
  an Isaac. Acts 2 says in the last days I
• 1:09:39
  will pour out my spirit on your sons and daughters.
• 1:09:42
  The devil is threatened by the next generation and you wonder
• 1:09:45
  why abortion, abortion is so big.
• 1:09:47
  This is a demonic strategy. The devil knows Acts 2 Peter
• 1:09:50
  prophesized in the last days, I will pour out my spirit on your
• 1:09:53
  sons and daughters at a young age.
• 1:09:55
  So the devil knows I don't want children to come in this world.
• 1:09:58
  In fact, you know, interesting, when I was listening to an imam,
• 1:10:02
  a Muslim imam, he's a the Muslim preacher in a mosque, and he
• 1:10:05
  said the way Islam is going to take over America is three ways.
• 1:10:08
  He said #1 we're going to the Muslims are going to take over
• 1:10:11
  America through the womb of the woman.
• 1:10:12
  He said the first way we're going to take over America is
• 1:10:15
  through the womb of the woman. He said the womb of a Muslim
• 1:10:18
  woman versus the womb of an American woman.
• 1:10:20
  He said watch who wins. He said our woman, their womb
• 1:10:23
  will be filled with 456 babies. Your women are killing the
• 1:10:26
  babies in the womb. So #1 he's going to beat,
• 1:10:29
  they're going to overtake America.
• 1:10:30
  The Muslims through the womb of the woman, their woman will have
• 1:10:33
  4 babies. We can abort our babies #2 he
• 1:10:36
  said. He said through immigration.
• 1:10:37
  Immigration is our number 2 strategy.
• 1:10:39
  We're going to migrate. We're going to leave our
• 1:10:41
  countries that already Muslim, move to London, move to Europe,
• 1:10:44
  move to Australia, America to make it Muslim.
• 1:10:46
  And #3 through the week, the weak pulpits and weak preachers.
• 1:10:50
  He loves seeing weak churches. Muslims love seeing weak
• 1:10:53
  churches. They love seeing churches
• 1:10:55
  approve of homosexuality because that is their that is their tool
• 1:10:59
  to get in America, Yeah. And bring their strong religion.
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  Yeah. Have you all always had this
• 1:11:03
  view about fertility and about it's not common openness to life
• 1:11:07
  or not in Australia? It's not a common view, but I
• 1:11:10
  just You can't escape it when you're.
• 1:11:11
  But it just cares for you personally.
• 1:11:13
  Has this been something? Have you always felt this
• 1:11:15
  passion? Like we need to be open to life,
• 1:11:16
  we need to be open to children. I did because my my parents had
• 1:11:19
  four kids and if they could, they have had a lot more.
• 1:11:22
  Every Christian family in Egypt has at least 4 kids.
• 1:11:25
  It's very normal. It's it's normal, like for you,
• 1:11:27
  if you tell someone, have one kid and obviously understand
• 1:11:30
  some women have health issues and different problems.
• 1:11:33
  But if because you're a feminist should not only have one kid,
• 1:11:35
  people looking like, what's like, what's wrong today?
• 1:11:37
  If you see a woman with five kids, you think she's weird?
• 1:11:39
  Yeah, that's not weird in Egypt. That's good.
• 1:11:42
  But that's praised in Egypt. Yeah.
• 1:11:43
  So I grew up with that. Mentality and my perspective
• 1:11:46
  truly was always I do want to have as many children as I can
• 1:11:49
  because it's up to me and my husband to pass on Christianity
• 1:11:54
  to the next generation. It says train up a child in the
• 1:11:56
  ways of the Lord. So for me, the idea that I have
• 1:11:59
  the honour of training up children in the truth of of God
• 1:12:04
  in Christianity, that to me is the greatest honour.
• 1:12:06
  Like I've always wanted to pass on with that legacy.
• 1:12:09
  And you know, the truth is in the West.
• 1:12:12
  The reason, as you were saying, a lot of women have been sold
• 1:12:15
  the lie that children are burdened and children are
• 1:12:16
  slavery and don't have children. It's going to ruin your plans
• 1:12:19
  and ruin your ambitions. I believe that's why you're
• 1:12:21
  seeing the rise of dog mums in the West because the truth is
• 1:12:25
  women. I believe women according to the
• 1:12:27
  fact that Eve, she was literally called the mother of all living
• 1:12:30
  things. I believe it's a biological
• 1:12:31
  reality seen in Scripture that God designed women as nurturers.
• 1:12:35
  You can't escape that reality. That's just the truth.
• 1:12:37
  God made us to be nurturers, just like God made men to be the
• 1:12:40
  stronger vessels. You could see that it's a
• 1:12:42
  biological reality. And so God created women to be
• 1:12:45
  nurturers. And so the fact is, feminists,
• 1:12:47
  the feminist movement has been telling women for a long time
• 1:12:49
  the children. Having children is a burden and
• 1:12:52
  it's slavery. But women want to nurture life.
• 1:12:54
  I would. Actually, I mean, it's
• 1:12:56
  definitely self-proclaimed feminists, but it's really the
• 1:12:58
  sexual revolution, Yeah. Because the feminists before the
• 1:13:00
  sexual revolution were all like, we love baby, like, right.
• 1:13:02
  So, yeah, it's really business like revolution, like it's like
• 1:13:05
  the sexologist and like the. And like the contraceptive.
• 1:13:08
  Contraceptive. Yeah.
• 1:13:10
  I mean, all of that because this idea that women are equal to men
• 1:13:13
  and should be treated equally under law, Great.
• 1:13:15
  Some thumbs up. Great.
• 1:13:16
  Right. Right.
• 1:13:17
  But this idea that to be empowered as both a woman and a
• 1:13:20
  man, you need to be able to do what you want on your timeline
• 1:13:23
  and you're entitled to sex without responsibility, love,
• 1:13:26
  openness to life. That is really the.
• 1:13:28
  Reason I'm proud of their body count.
• 1:13:30
  Now it's like my body count's 50.
• 1:13:32
  Oh, he's so proud of right? There, Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  And when they asked Margaret Sanger, the the founder of the
• 1:13:36
  contraceptive pill, do you believe in sin, she said, no, I
• 1:13:40
  believe what is a sin is for women to have babies.
• 1:13:42
  So Margaret Sanger worldview is that it's a sin to have too many
• 1:13:46
  babies. And so the, the truth what we're
• 1:13:48
  seeing now is we're seeing mums with, have you seen like mothers
• 1:13:52
  with these fake baby dolls and mothers walking down the street
• 1:13:55
  with strollers with their, with their dogs?
• 1:13:58
  I think there's more pets now in Washington than children.
• 1:14:01
  Yeah. We I, I.
• 1:14:03
  In an airport. I think, yeah, I flew through at
• 1:14:04
  Washington Airport over the weekend and there were dogs
• 1:14:08
  everywhere. And also like, like instead of
• 1:14:10
  like places for babies, there's places for pets.
• 1:14:15
  And there's, there's, there's the, you know, vending machines
• 1:14:19
  with dogs. Treats aren't even vending
• 1:14:21
  machines with kids, You know, treats that are better for kids,
• 1:14:24
  but they're for dogs. I'm.
• 1:14:26
  Definitely in. Washington right now like this,
• 1:14:28
  but it's devastating too, because the reorientation of the
• 1:14:31
  human person instead of for fruitfulness.
• 1:14:34
  And and by the way, we talk about married couples should be
• 1:14:37
  have children. They should be open to life.
• 1:14:39
  Some married couples, I don't know about you guys, but have
• 1:14:41
  had fertility issues and yeah, that's a real struggle.
• 1:14:44
  And but be open to fruitfulness, whether that's spiritual or God
• 1:14:48
  blesses you with children physically.
• 1:14:50
  But we're all called for other people.
• 1:14:52
  Animals take good care of our animals like God created them.
• 1:14:55
  They're beautiful. But we are called to serve
• 1:14:57
  people and love people and grow and nurture people.
• 1:15:00
  That is well, she was called the mother of all living things, and
• 1:15:03
  she hadn't had. Children yet, so I always tell
• 1:15:06
  women that are struggling with infertility or they're not able
• 1:15:09
  to have children. I'm like, you can still, you
• 1:15:11
  still have the mandate of this mothering or you can be a
• 1:15:15
  spiritual mother. Many, there are so many children
• 1:15:18
  in the foster care system, children needing to be adopted.
• 1:15:21
  So God has called us to nurture life as women.
• 1:15:24
  Whether you can have babies or not, God still has created you
• 1:15:27
  to nurture life. And the sad thing for me is that
• 1:15:30
  that the reason I believe we're seeing so many dog mums and the
• 1:15:34
  love of animals is because women cannot escape their nurturing
• 1:15:38
  spirit. And so they're choosing it to do
• 1:15:40
  it with animals. So true.
• 1:15:41
  It's so sad because they were created for me to be, They were
• 1:15:45
  created to nurture life. And so because they've been told
• 1:15:48
  the lie, let's not do it. They're doing it with animals.
• 1:15:50
  And that is AI can see why that's a tempting thing for a
• 1:15:54
  lot of women because raising up a dog is much easier than
• 1:15:57
  raising up a child. There's no commitment, no
• 1:16:00
  commitment. They're not going to talk back
• 1:16:01
  to you. They're not going.
• 1:16:02
  To dishonor. You, they don't have an eternal
• 1:16:03
  soul, so you don't have to worry about their eternal state and
• 1:16:06
  whether or not they're going to heaven.
• 1:16:07
  So it's much easier. And I believe that the great one
• 1:16:11
  of the greatest indicators of whether a society is moral or
• 1:16:14
  not is when a society loves and and and cares more about animal
• 1:16:21
  rights than human rights. This to me is the greatest sign
• 1:16:25
  that our society is failing. It's that the same women who
• 1:16:28
  treat their dogs like literal babies in a in a stroller think
• 1:16:32
  it's OK to murder their own babies in the womb.
• 1:16:33
  That to me is the greatest sign of moral depravity in a society
• 1:16:37
  that we worship animals. You have vegan protesters on the
• 1:16:40
  street caring about not eating cows for food, cows that are not
• 1:16:43
  made in the image of God. They care more about animal
• 1:16:45
  rights than human rights. I believe that is the greatest
• 1:16:48
  sign of moral depravity. And GK Chesterton, the
• 1:16:51
  philosopher, he said it like this.
• 1:16:53
  He said where there is animal worship, there will be human
• 1:16:55
  sacrifice. Wherever there is a society that
• 1:16:58
  worships animals and worships animal rights, you will see
• 1:17:01
  human sacrifice in that nation. So we have always loved life,
• 1:17:05
  and the devil, by the way, hates.
• 1:17:06
  Children like I have, I'm not sure the camera can see I have a
• 1:17:09
  cross tattoo on my. I have a cross tattoo on my
• 1:17:12
  wrist. Can you see that?
• 1:17:13
  Yeah, I have a cross tattoo on my wrist.
• 1:17:16
  And how to know that? How do you know that the devil
• 1:17:18
  you know hates the young generation at the age of 1 in
• 1:17:21
  Egypt, if you're a Christian, your parents take you to the
• 1:17:24
  church at the age of 1 when you're a baby to get this cross
• 1:17:27
  tattooed, you're on your wrist. And the reason is is because the
• 1:17:30
  Muslim Brotherhood again understand the value of children
• 1:17:33
  and raising them up in the ways of your God.
• 1:17:35
  So what happened as a kid is the Muslim Brotherhood used to
• 1:17:38
  kidnap Christian babies. So he used to kidnap you.
• 1:17:41
  Well, you're in asleep wherever if you're in church, if they
• 1:17:44
  don't kill you, they'll kidnap the kids as a baby very young
• 1:17:47
  and raise them up in a Muslim family.
• 1:17:48
  So Christians kids used to wake up and they don't know.
• 1:17:52
  Maybe that is my a real dad. I'm a Muslim.
• 1:17:54
  So the Christians made a strategy and a plan.
• 1:17:55
  We're going to tattoo our babies with a cross.
• 1:17:57
  So the Muslim Brotherhood kidnaps them.
• 1:18:00
  That's all right. They're going to grow up.
• 1:18:01
  At the age of 10 or 15, they're going to look at their wrist and
• 1:18:04
  say, oh, I'm a Christian. Wow.
• 1:18:06
  My parents are Christian and a Muslim Brotherhood used to when
• 1:18:09
  they see this cross at the age of 1, they would burn it off.
• 1:18:12
  So you'd have a bunch of little kids with burn marks on them
• 1:18:15
  because they don't want this cross.
• 1:18:16
  And why am I saying this is, you see the demonic agenda that the
• 1:18:20
  devil, every religion and all hell knows the value of the next
• 1:18:24
  generation. They want to rob the next
• 1:18:26
  generation. They want to steal the next
• 1:18:27
  generation. Whether they want to kill them
• 1:18:28
  in the womb. And if they don't kill them in
• 1:18:30
  the womb, if the mother didn't abort them, they'll transition
• 1:18:33
  them at the age of 15. They'll cut their body parts.
• 1:18:35
  They just hate the young Shadrach, Mesh and Abednego's.
• 1:18:39
  I think sometimes we, we think Genzi, you know, the next
• 1:18:42
  generation, the older generation, look at them like
• 1:18:44
  you idiots or whatever. I'm like, no man, young
• 1:18:46
  generation, God has his hands on young people.
• 1:18:49
  You know, Joseph literally was 17 when he sold into slavery.
• 1:18:54
  All the disciples were in their 20s.
• 1:18:55
  So the devil knows that young generation are the future
• 1:18:58
  preachers, the future prophets, they're the future politicians
• 1:19:01
  and businessmen. So he just wants to rob them.
• 1:19:03
  Yeah. And the battles are always after
• 1:19:05
  the own people. And when we got married, we
• 1:19:07
  said, hey, the Bible says. Blessed is the man, Children are
• 1:19:10
  a blessing, they're a gift from the Lord.
• 1:19:11
  And blessed is the man who has a quibble.
• 1:19:14
  And we looked at each other, we're like, we don't know what a
• 1:19:15
  quibble fool is. I don't know how many that is,
• 1:19:17
  but it definitely sounds like more than one or two, at least
• 1:19:19
  three. I mean, do you, are you guys
• 1:19:21
  opposed to? Contraception or what's your
• 1:19:22
  church? 'S teaching on that well, a few
• 1:19:24
  years ago when I when I learnt. That the contraceptive pill is
• 1:19:28
  actually in a mortificin. When I learnt that we we stand
• 1:19:33
  hard on the line that life begins at conception.
• 1:19:36
  So when I learnt that, you know that the way contraception is
• 1:19:40
  working is through thin the lining of the uterus so that
• 1:19:42
  even if there is fertilization, it thins it to the point where
• 1:19:45
  it weren't implant. I was like as soon as I learned
• 1:19:48
  that, I'd never been taught that.
• 1:19:49
  But as soon as I learned that. So I mean, I remember being put
• 1:19:52
  on contraceptive. Pill.
• 1:19:53
  When I was like 13, not because I was sexually active.
• 1:19:56
  I can't even remember why they put me on it for acne.
• 1:19:59
  That's what they do. That's what they do, probably.
• 1:20:01
  Period. Yeah, to, to control your
• 1:20:03
  hormones, whatever. I'm like I was.
• 1:20:05
  Going through puberty, of course I'm going to be like hormonal
• 1:20:07
  and crazy. Like that's just what it means
• 1:20:09
  to be a, to be 13. And so they put me on and now
• 1:20:13
  that now I look back and I see, I believe it's such a demonic
• 1:20:17
  scheme from the enemy causing all this infertility.
• 1:20:19
  I believe that it's a demonic scheme because he seeks to still
• 1:20:22
  kill and destroy. And Jesus came to bring life.
• 1:20:25
  So I believe it's a demonic scheme to destroy life.
• 1:20:28
  So as soon as I learnt the reality of what contraception is
• 1:20:30
  actually doing, I, I had to come off, yeah, even though I was
• 1:20:34
  lied to about it when I was 13, I had to come off when I learnt.
• 1:20:37
  Yeah, yeah. And if you can't have babies, by
• 1:20:39
  the way, if anyone listening to us can't have.
• 1:20:40
  Babies adopt A baby. Like seriously, go, go, go raise
• 1:20:45
  up a child. I told Millie, I'll pray we can.
• 1:20:47
  We want 5-6 babies. But if we can't, we're gonna
• 1:20:50
  adopt A baby. I'm going to raise the young
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  generation. I will get someone under me and
• 1:20:54
  I will multiply my anointing. I will multiply my voice.
• 1:20:57
  I wouldn't be here if my dad if it wasn't for my dad.
• 1:20:59
  My dad passed to me his courage, his bold, he's anointing, his
• 1:21:04
  teachings, his wisdom, and I'm not going to let it die with me.
• 1:21:07
  I'm going to pass it on. So I think every couple
• 1:21:11
  listening to us, if you are married, have kids, multiply, be
• 1:21:15
  fruitful and multiply, don't add, multiply.
• 1:21:19
  Have you guys heard of NFP Natural?
• 1:21:21
  Family Planning, that's a fertility awareness based
• 1:21:24
  methods to sort of understand the woman's fertility so that
• 1:21:28
  they can hopefully if they're, you know, in the season they
• 1:21:32
  want to get pregnant, let's try to get pregnant.
• 1:21:34
  And it can be used to space children if there's health
• 1:21:37
  difficulties. But it's a different posture
• 1:21:40
  than I agree with you on contraception.
• 1:21:41
  I mean, birth control today, hormonal birth control can be an
• 1:21:43
  abortifacion. So that's like no go zone.
• 1:21:45
  But then some, I know Christians are saying, Oh, well, barrier
• 1:21:48
  methods, contraception's OK, because as long as it's not the
• 1:21:52
  abortion kind, then you're, it's fine to use.
• 1:21:55
  And I think again, 100 years ago in Christianity, everyone was
• 1:21:59
  saying anything that would separate the procrit from the
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  unitive and frustrate the sexual act.
• 1:22:04
  Anything is against God's design.
• 1:22:07
  So I'm curious if you guys have explored that yet or if that's
• 1:22:09
  something that, you know, you're kind of, it sounds like you're
• 1:22:11
  in the process with even learning about the birth control
• 1:22:13
  pill. Again, a lot of people were.
• 1:22:14
  They lied to young, they lied to young girls.
• 1:22:17
  I think the amount of girls that are on it and then later on they
• 1:22:20
  have problems with giving birth. It's crazy.
• 1:22:23
  But yeah, I think they just like, yeah, Millie was on it
• 1:22:25
  since she was literally 13. Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  And we eight years, you're on it and then you just found out.
• 1:22:31
  Yeah. And that might be a reason why.
• 1:22:33
  I mean, we don't we struggle. We wouldn't have a baby yet.
• 1:22:36
  Who knows if that was a reason. I believe God will have his will
• 1:22:38
  anyway. Yeah.
• 1:22:39
  I I. Definitely think that
• 1:22:41
  contributes. There's so much, so much
• 1:22:42
  research. Our stance would be that the
• 1:22:45
  idea should never be viewing children as a burden or a
• 1:22:49
  hindrance. So for at the beginning of our
• 1:22:51
  marriage, we used natural family planning because for the sake,
• 1:22:56
  not for us or our career or our ambitions, because we didn't
• 1:22:59
  believe at that time we would be able to be faithful to what God
• 1:23:02
  had caught us to and to raise up to do it in a way that wouldn't
• 1:23:07
  neglect the children that got God brought into our life.
• 1:23:10
  But the purpose and the mindset behind it was always, how are we
• 1:23:13
  going to serve these children the best?
• 1:23:15
  Because children are never a burden.
• 1:23:17
  They're always a blessing. And so that's always been you
• 1:23:20
  never view children as a burden. Do you regret that at all?
• 1:23:22
  That? Maybe if if you.
• 1:23:24
  Had known better? No, It sounds like you didn't
• 1:23:26
  know. And you know what I know now?
• 1:23:28
  I think. All the orders like people.
• 1:23:30
  Say to young married couple you know.
• 1:23:31
  Wait till you're ready, wait till the right time.
• 1:23:33
  And it's like there's never a right time or I know of, I know
• 1:23:35
  of a generation of Christian couples, my dad.
• 1:23:37
  Dated a woman in Bible school, yeah, who wanted him to get a
• 1:23:41
  best so that they could go preach the gospel in Africa.
• 1:23:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
• 1:23:45
  That's a big thing now. By the way, it's a thing of
• 1:23:47
  like, well, we're not going to have our.
• 1:23:48
  Kids because we're. Going to have spiritual kids as
• 1:23:50
  a married couple, we're going to still have sex and begin to,
• 1:23:52
  we're going to like say no to the potential for life using
• 1:23:55
  condoms or using vasectomies or. And I, I think it's, it's a very
• 1:23:59
  much I I actually did a debate recently with a woman who's a
• 1:24:01
  DINK, dual income, no kids. Yeah, about that.
• 1:24:04
  And she was saying, well, I do really beautiful.
• 1:24:06
  Things for the community. That aren't children, but my my
• 1:24:10
  husband had a vasectomy. But we do this other stuff and I
• 1:24:12
  say, well, the design of sex is for life.
• 1:24:15
  And if we frustrate the design, yeah, we're saying no to those
• 1:24:18
  kids. Yeah, if we were to go back in.
• 1:24:19
  Time we'd definitely have babies a lot earlier for sure because
• 1:24:23
  we're 28 now we want to have 5-6 kids.
• 1:24:25
  So which means one kid every two years you're going to be what,
• 1:24:28
  38? Yeah, by the time So definitely
• 1:24:31
  would have had kids earlier, I think, I think everyone
• 1:24:34
  listening, you gotta the goal is get married to a godly woman,
• 1:24:37
  get married to a godly man, build a strong family, multiply,
• 1:24:40
  go to church. Don't listen to these secular
• 1:24:43
  ideas and progressive ideas. Whatever Christians did across
• 1:24:46
  history, most of it is not wrong.
• 1:24:48
  We can't keep progressing. That's a generally good, good
• 1:24:51
  instinct. Yeah, look at what?
• 1:24:52
  The Christians were doing 5. You know, usually it's pretty
• 1:24:55
  good. And if we believed it for 2.
• 1:24:58
  1000 years like yeah don't be. Don't be narcissist and be like
• 1:25:01
  oh actually. Well then you can look at the
• 1:25:03
  why behind it, which I love. So like I.
• 1:25:05
  Was raised evangelical and became Catholic after studying
• 1:25:08
  these things about contraception.
• 1:25:09
  I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah, until literally 19, like
• 1:25:13
  20 or whatever, even the Anglicans, the everybody was
• 1:25:16
  against contraception. And I was like, I was like, that
• 1:25:19
  was not the way. Why?
• 1:25:20
  What is the teaching, the why behind it?
• 1:25:22
  And you look at Scripture and you look at tradition, OK, this
• 1:25:24
  is the why behind it. This is God.
• 1:25:26
  And it doesn't mean like you just have to like, you know,
• 1:25:28
  breed like rabbits or like, you know, have a baby every single
• 1:25:30
  minute. But it's like, be open to life,
• 1:25:32
  have that posture and then don't, don't frustrate the
• 1:25:34
  sexual act. You can be abstinent.
• 1:25:36
  And that's where he comes in. If there's a serious reason to
• 1:25:38
  avoid children, God can use that very beautifully in your
• 1:25:40
  marriage and intimacy. But then you look at other
• 1:25:43
  teachings too, and you just see the power of, of tradition in
• 1:25:47
  how other Christians from the time of Christ have lived out
• 1:25:52
  the faith in different cultures and different eras.
• 1:25:54
  And there's so much to learn that I think sometimes we forget
• 1:25:57
  about because we're all like just modern, modern, modern.
• 1:25:59
  Well, Christians are not studying history anymore.
• 1:26:01
  We're we're just looking. At Culture there is, I like to
• 1:26:03
  tell people you got to study the culture.
• 1:26:05
  As I said, the newspaper on one hand, the Bible, but you also
• 1:26:08
  got to read history books because you got to read history.
• 1:26:10
  You can't be so arrogant to think that what the church did
• 1:26:13
  for thousands of years, you know, we're kind of progressive
• 1:26:15
  and what we're young people don't know history.
• 1:26:17
  They're just moving forward and they think the Bible history.
• 1:26:20
  They're not taught history. You're right, they're not.
• 1:26:21
  And they taught even the wrong or they taught the wrong
• 1:26:23
  history. I guess whatever the media wants
• 1:26:26
  them to know about definitely study scripture Yeah, the Bible,
• 1:26:28
  history and the news. So long as the history never
• 1:26:30
  contradicted the scripture if. We've always believed that and
• 1:26:33
  it doesn't contradict the Bible. Yeah, I'm going to go with, I'm
• 1:26:36
  going to say that's probably. Yeah, that's the way we should
• 1:26:38
  be. You guys should you guys should
• 1:26:39
  join me over at math. Because the mass is 2000 years,
• 1:26:44
  you know, Eucharist, the local Catholic Church would bless it.
• 1:26:46
  It's the Blessed Sacrament. I mean, I love your passion and
• 1:26:49
  zeal and I hear the Holy Spirit in your hearts and I know that
• 1:26:52
  God is working through you. I see that.
• 1:26:54
  So I, but I think it's very beautiful Jesus in the
• 1:26:57
  Eucharist. I mean, he is here with us, of
• 1:27:00
  course, but he's here in a very special way.
• 1:27:02
  He said, I will not leave you. And he says when you eat my
• 1:27:07
  body, drink my blood, and he asks us to do it.
• 1:27:09
  And there is Jesus Christ, body, blood, soul and divinity in the
• 1:27:12
  Eucharist. That's the main reason I became
• 1:27:14
  Catholic. I'm like, Oh my gosh, here it
• 1:27:15
  is. You know, I want to receive Holy
• 1:27:17
  Communion. When did you become Catholic?
• 1:27:19
  College How? Many years ago is that?
• 1:27:21
  Oh gosh, how many years? Ago I just celebrated 16 years
• 1:27:24
  of being Catholic. 30, I'm 37. I just turned 37.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah, yeah, sorry. I'm just curious.
• 1:27:30
  I'm I'm. The I'm the matriarch here, but
• 1:27:32
  yeah. 37 OK so in college yeah, cool yeah we honestly we.
• 1:27:36
  Have lots of amazing friends from every denomination.
• 1:27:41
  I just tell the man, if you believe Jesus Christ is Lord,
• 1:27:44
  Yeah. And you're not going off that
• 1:27:45
  man. We're brothers and sisters in
• 1:27:46
  Christ. Jesus Christ is Lord.
• 1:27:48
  He's the way the truth and lies want us to unite even more.
• 1:27:50
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:27:51
  Because you're right, I think. About like the culture battles.
• 1:27:53
  Yeah, and. I think about like you
• 1:27:55
  mentioned, Panama and I'm like, we need, we need Jesus, the
• 1:27:58
  source, but I think mother church wants us to be 1.
• 1:28:02
  I don't think it's meant to be a 50,000 denominations Orthodox
• 1:28:05
  here, Catholic, like we're all like scattered.
• 1:28:07
  We're all like contraception. Like I, I think we're meant to
• 1:28:09
  have one and one and one teaching authority, which is
• 1:28:12
  obviously through Holy Scripture, but it's also through
• 1:28:15
  a, a hierarchy that he gave us. And I think you even practice it
• 1:28:18
  in your own way in your church, right?
• 1:28:19
  You are the pastor. You are a pastor and you're here
• 1:28:22
  to like help people understand what God's word says.
• 1:28:25
  And so, you know, my prayer is and I, I just kind of get into
• 1:28:28
  it somewhere on the podcast, I kind of stumble into it.
• 1:28:30
  I just need to start talking about it is Christian unity, but
• 1:28:33
  not like a unity of like, well, we just will agree to disagree
• 1:28:36
  and like, let's agree on what matters.
• 1:28:39
  And there's some things like certain kinds of prayer
• 1:28:40
  practices or spirituality. Yes, we have our in unique
• 1:28:43
  personality differences, but like Eucharist, the breaking of
• 1:28:46
  the bread, confession, obviously baptism, the sacraments, you
• 1:28:49
  know, these moral teachings, these matters of faith and
• 1:28:52
  morals, these things do matter. Yeah, and we should be united.
• 1:28:55
  The problem the churches today, denominations, is they're
• 1:28:58
  arguing. About secondary issues, like
• 1:29:00
  we're too busy arguing, you know, LED screen lights should
• 1:29:02
  have smoke machines. We don't have that issue in the
• 1:29:05
  Catholic Church. That one we don't have.
• 1:29:06
  You are. Usually see what's happening,
• 1:29:08
  yeah, no the. Denominations.
• 1:29:10
  Are so divided. And we're not setting a good
• 1:29:12
  example to the world. Jesus literally on the night of
• 1:29:15
  his betrayal, he the one prayer he prayed his Lord.
• 1:29:17
  Make them united as you and I are one.
• 1:29:20
  Let them be united. So I'm really praying, and
• 1:29:22
  that's what I'm doing. I love talking to.
• 1:29:23
  You're a Catholic. I love talking to different
• 1:29:25
  people because we are not here to fight each other and argue
• 1:29:28
  with each other. We have a Kingdom to build.
• 1:29:30
  Yeah. We have a Christ to preach.
• 1:29:31
  We have a God to serve, a church to build.
• 1:29:34
  And I think, yeah, we definitely need unity.
• 1:29:36
  You nailed it. We need unity in the church,
• 1:29:37
  unity with the believers. Yeah, exactly what I was saying
• 1:29:40
  before. I can't believe Christians see,
• 1:29:42
  you know, people getting persecuted in Egypt and they
• 1:29:45
  might be from a different denomination than me.
• 1:29:46
  Yeah, there might be different denomination, all different.
• 1:29:50
  I never, when I see a Christian get persecuted, ask what
• 1:29:52
  denomination are they? Yeah, ask are they Christian?
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, they're Christian, man. We're brothers.
• 1:29:56
  Are they being persecuted for the name of Christ?
• 1:29:58
  Yeah, well, Jesus, when? He looked when they said your
• 1:30:00
  mother. And brother outside, he said,
• 1:30:02
  who are my mother and who are my brothers?
• 1:30:04
  And literally like Mary's literally outside.
• 1:30:07
  And he's and his and his brothers and he says who are my
• 1:30:11
  mother and who are my brothers? And he says these are my mother
• 1:30:14
  and brothers. He says those who do the will of
• 1:30:16
  my father. Well, and that was also a huge
• 1:30:18
  compliment to Mary, yes, because she.
• 1:30:20
  Said she wasn't Jesus's mother because God just gave her, God
• 1:30:23
  just gave her the baby. She said yes.
• 1:30:25
  And she did the word of the word.
• 1:30:26
  Yeah. And so he was actually elevating
• 1:30:28
  her even more in that moment to say like, she is my mother
• 1:30:31
  because she's my mother biologically, yes, but she said
• 1:30:33
  yes to to me spiritually too. And I think that's like why
• 1:30:37
  she's such a a huge role model. But to your point, we can all
• 1:30:40
  say yes, like she said, yes, yeah, no, exactly.
• 1:30:43
  And be able to. Be his brothers.
• 1:30:44
  And sisters and his and the. Children of God, yeah.
• 1:30:46
  I do it those who do the will of my father.
• 1:30:49
  If you're, if you're doing the will of God, if you're obeying
• 1:30:51
  God and you know, you know, going out, getting drunk and
• 1:30:53
  sleeping outside of marriage and doing all these secular
• 1:30:55
  progressive, yeah, godless things, you're my brother.
• 1:30:58
  Yeah. And when I see them where it's
• 1:31:00
  so different to Islam, by the way.
• 1:31:01
  Yeah, we literally Christians, we are meant to love each other
• 1:31:04
  as Christ loves us. When I see you, I don't see a
• 1:31:07
  random that I just met today. Like we literally just met
• 1:31:09
  today. You are a sister in Christ.
• 1:31:11
  Literally you are a sister in Christ.
• 1:31:13
  I love you guys. I'm a brother.
• 1:31:14
  We we love you honestly. Like we've literally just.
• 1:31:16
  Met. And I feel the Spirit of God
• 1:31:19
  uniting us. So.
• 1:31:20
  Much obviously we have our differences and disagreements,
• 1:31:23
  but that doesn't mean we can't talk and and that doesn't mean
• 1:31:25
  we can't talk and and fight the demons of our culture that are
• 1:31:28
  so big, like abortion, like pride parades, like
• 1:31:31
  transgenderism, like hookup culture.
• 1:31:34
  We need to unite. We're fighting the wrong enemy.
• 1:31:36
  When I became Catholic, it wasn't because I was rejecting.
• 1:31:39
  What I had my my encounter with Jesus or the baptism I had had
• 1:31:43
  when I was a kid in my Bible based, you know, Protestant, you
• 1:31:46
  know, evangelical church. It was because it was getting a
• 1:31:49
  getting closer, right, even getting closer.
• 1:31:51
  And so I think we're all united in baptism and professing the
• 1:31:54
  name of Jesus and in the moral clarity that God may allow us to
• 1:31:59
  have things to God right. But then I think we should all
• 1:32:01
  together be on the journey of getting deeper and, and that
• 1:32:05
  unity is building the Kingdom and that unity will help.
• 1:32:09
  I also think the teaching clarity is going to be key
• 1:32:11
  because I think you, you're gifted with a teaching clarity,
• 1:32:13
  you know, on, on some of these things, which I think is a
• 1:32:15
  blessing to the people you are serving.
• 1:32:17
  It's bringing them freedom like you were describing beautifully
• 1:32:20
  earlier. And one of the reasons I became
• 1:32:22
  Catholic is the teaching authority of Rome for 2000
• 1:32:25
  years. They haven't wavered on things
• 1:32:27
  like abortion, homosexuality, all of these issues.
• 1:32:30
  There has been a true 4th and and it part of it is
• 1:32:33
  interpreting sacred scripture depending on the culture, the
• 1:32:36
  era, like people, people say, well, this interpretation means
• 1:32:38
  it's like, no, there is one interpretation that is true.
• 1:32:41
  You know, there's some personalizations that you can
• 1:32:43
  use, but like when it comes to moral issues, theological
• 1:32:45
  issues, there is one big T truth.
• 1:32:47
  It's not like my opinion, your opinion.
• 1:32:49
  We're all gonna have our have our own opinion.
• 1:32:50
  Yeah, My biggest can I, can I ask you a question?
• 1:32:53
  This could be my biggest. Like my biggest question, Robot,
• 1:32:56
  I love that we're going. Yeah, I know.
• 1:32:58
  I I was like, should we go here? I don't even know.
• 1:33:03
  You're already Christian. OK, but that's.
• 1:33:06
  The thing if you're. Baptized in the name of Father,
• 1:33:08
  Son, Holy Spirit with water. You're baptized.
• 1:33:10
  You are, you are baptized into the family of God.
• 1:33:12
  So we're brothers and sisters. So there's no like convert to
• 1:33:16
  like you can convert to. Catholicism.
• 1:33:18
  If you're like an atheist, you've never been baptized, but
• 1:33:20
  you're, if you were to become Catholic, that wouldn't be, oh,
• 1:33:22
  I'm converting now. In a sense you can maybe use it,
• 1:33:25
  but you're really just getting deeper into your Christian
• 1:33:28
  faith. In my view.
• 1:33:29
  That's what I would say. So look, I've met you're clearly
• 1:33:32
  Christians, right? Yeah.
• 1:33:33
  You're converted. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:33:35
  Yeah, I've look. I've met people from every
• 1:33:37
  denomination that are very. Godly and very godless.
• 1:33:40
  It's it's I've met. I agree there are.
• 1:33:42
  There are sodas, rocks and hell and.
• 1:33:45
  Catholics of. Course there are Catholics going
• 1:33:47
  to hell. And Catholics.
• 1:33:48
  Going to heaven is Protestant. Going to heaven and Protestant.
• 1:33:50
  Going to hell. Anglicans and when I meet
• 1:33:52
  people, I'm like, what, you know, do you believe about the
• 1:33:55
  blood of Jesus? It's not my you know, the blood,
• 1:33:57
  my bloodline. It's the.
• 1:33:57
  Blood of Christ. It's not the spirit of our
• 1:34:00
  ancestors. Our ancestors is the Spirit of
• 1:34:01
  God that unites us all. One God, one faith, one body.
• 1:34:05
  We're united. We are literally called the body
• 1:34:07
  of Christ. It's not this denomination being
• 1:34:09
  the hand and I got the toe cutting himself off.
• 1:34:11
  We are literally united and what unites us is Jesus Christ.
• 1:34:14
  So and that's why I love these conversations.
• 1:34:17
  We talk to people from every denomination and I was feeling
• 1:34:20
  prompted to go here in the college.
• 1:34:22
  I was like, I was like internal dialogue.
• 1:34:23
  Like, 'cause we're talking on our, you know, life and marriage
• 1:34:26
  and that's what I want conscious of.
• 1:34:27
  It was like, yeah, I was like, I felt like villers just like
• 1:34:30
  Eucharist. Yeah, like church, like, like,
• 1:34:32
  you know, the, the teaching authority, like, let's talk
• 1:34:35
  about it. So you were gonna say So I
• 1:34:36
  believe, like wrestling with ideas is how you end up with the
• 1:34:39
  truth. I I think a lot of Christians
• 1:34:42
  try to avoid asking questions and trying to get to we're
• 1:34:44
  afraid of a few truth. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:46
  And and like, it's by wrestling. Going back and.
• 1:34:49
  Forth the way I see it every idea I have, I try to poke as
• 1:34:53
  many holes as it in it as I can and if it still stands then then
• 1:34:57
  I believe it's true. And so I believe this is very
• 1:34:59
  important in wrestling. So my biggest roadblock has been
• 1:35:02
  what would be like the Catholic because I've never heard it from
• 1:35:04
  probably from the mouth of like a really devoted Catholic.
• 1:35:06
  What would be your response to what happens like when the OR
• 1:35:11
  the Pope has a belief about something that is clearly like
• 1:35:15
  antithetical to scripture? How does the like, what does the
• 1:35:18
  Catholic believe and respond to that?
• 1:35:20
  Like things like what we saw with Pope Francis, like last
• 1:35:23
  year. He he last year I think there
• 1:35:25
  was a few comments. Don't quote me on this spot
• 1:35:27
  about homosexuality. Maybe you can correct me if I'm
• 1:35:30
  wrong. Marriage was between a man and a
• 1:35:32
  woman. Then you Pope is a lot better.
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  Yeah, I'll. I'll.
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  So here's the thing. Pope Francis has not changed any
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  of the. Catholic Church's teaching, what
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  does that mean by change? So when he has said and so
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  there. Have been some and I would.
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  Want to know exactly the comment you're friends but I get a gas
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  money and also in I think it was Singapore I.
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  Heard a comment where he said there was a Sheikh, a Muslim, a
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  Muslim Sheikh, A Hindu. And he says all pathways are yes
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  lead to the same God. Very confusing for people.
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  Yeah, it's very confusing because he said, he said we're
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  all like. Different languages, different.
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  Dialects, but we all landed the same God, he said.
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  Some are Hindu. So I think the key with.
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  First of all, it's very important to note when.
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  It when we talk about the teaching authority of the
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  Church, when there are certain statements made on faith and
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  morals for all people in a certain format that's considered
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  infallible. When Pope Francis is giving a
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  speech or any Pope might be giving a speech to a group of he
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  might mess up and some popes have messed up.
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  So this is not so when we. So I would say it was imprecise
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  like I. Don't I think.
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  What he was trying to say, and you look at the full context of
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  his remarks and you look at the context of his remarks
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  throughout his papacy, he's definitely like Jesus is the way
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  to the Father. Of course, you know he's not
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  trying to change. You know what the Bible
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  certainly says and the church has said for 2000 years about
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  salvation. So he's not not, he didn't try
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  to change that. He didn't change that.
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  He couldn't change that even if he had wanted to In those
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  statements. When you take that like clip,
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  yeah, that sounds wrong. Like, because you know, like,
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  well, you, you get through Jesus, you get to God through
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  the Father, through the Son, and you know, you can't get to God
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  through Islam or Buddhism. I think what he was getting at
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  there imperfectly. And I think when you look at the
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  rest of the things he said, this seems clear to me, very clear,
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  is that there are elements of truth everywhere.
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  And you can seek after God with a pure heart, even as a Muslim
• 1:37:21
  or a Buddhist, and God can meet you there.
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  God does meet. We know these stories as long as
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  people say Jesus, the way, the truth, and 100.
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  Percent if you say that you are my brother and sister, 100.
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  Percent. So I didn't know that so.
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  So some things that like the Pope would.
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  Say is not considered like, infallible.
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  Not every word the Pope speaks is infallible.
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  Yep, he's a human. Being that's good to you because
• 1:37:44
  you're right, because some people look him the like, kind
• 1:37:46
  of like you're I. Mean think about yourselves too.
• 1:37:47
  Like if you're giving a sermon, right you?
• 1:37:49
  May be like, I'm going to work really hard that this is this is
• 1:37:51
  right and correct what I'm saying.
• 1:37:52
  But you might be in an interview one day and you might say
• 1:37:55
  something that's not accurate or even on the birth control issue,
• 1:37:58
  you're like, well, I didn't know this about it.
• 1:37:59
  Whatever, right. Yeah.
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  Similarly, Pope's bishops, they can get things wrong in terms
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  of, you know, an offhand remark or something.
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  But when they're when they're in there teaching authority from
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  the seed of Peter and it's considered this is part of the
• 1:38:12
  Magisterium. So it's this could be encyclical
• 1:38:15
  that is considered a higher level of teaching that which is
• 1:38:18
  your should listen to infallible is even a higher level than that
• 1:38:22
  because you can have a level of the magisterium that is
• 1:38:24
  considered this is this is true, but it's like can we really 100%
• 1:38:29
  trust us and all Christians are bound to this.
• 1:38:31
  That's a super level and the Bible is a certainly cause.
• 1:38:33
  Like what if the magisterium at that level gets something
• 1:38:36
  that's. It's never happened in 2000
• 1:38:39
  years and that's where and that's where the.
• 1:38:41
  Promise of that's where the promise of Jesus to Saint Peter.
• 1:38:43
  We we rely on that promise. The gates of hell will not
• 1:38:45
  prevail against the church. The Church will storm hell and
• 1:38:48
  the church will the church will have many sinners.
• 1:38:51
  The church will have make mistakes in terms of our human,
• 1:38:54
  human humanity. But for 2000 years, the teaching
• 1:38:56
  of the church has not faltered. The moral teaching of the
• 1:38:59
  church, the Catholic Church has not faltered.
• 1:39:02
  And you look at length, you look at abortion, this is true.
• 1:39:04
  You look at sex and marriage, this is true.
• 1:39:05
  You look at sexuality, this is true.
• 1:39:07
  And that gave me tremendous confidence when I became
• 1:39:09
  Catholic. I'm like, this is with all of
• 1:39:11
  our imperfections. Well, as long as as long as
• 1:39:14
  Catholics tell me if. If the Pope goes against the
• 1:39:17
  word of God, I pick the word of God.
• 1:39:20
  That's it. If Catholics, if Catholics
• 1:39:22
  understand the from the seat of Peter, the Pope cannot go
• 1:39:24
  against. Okay, whatever.
• 1:39:26
  Like the interpretation is, but it's kind of like saying can.
• 1:39:28
  God create a rock so big he can't lift, No.
• 1:39:31
  Whatever, whatever the technicality is, but as long as
• 1:39:33
  as long as. If I ask a Catholic is Jesus the
• 1:39:36
  way, the truth and life and they say yes, done.
• 1:39:38
  Is marriage between a man and a woman?
• 1:39:40
  Yes, done. Can a man and man get married?
• 1:39:42
  No, they can't. If someone agrees with that, I'm
• 1:39:44
  good. I'm I'm very easy.
• 1:39:46
  I'm not here to say, you know I'm the one exactly.
• 1:39:51
  That's why I love these. Conversations and a lot.
• 1:39:54
  Of the stuff. As you said.
• 1:39:54
  What I say is wrong. Like I might, I might.
• 1:39:57
  Make a mistake, I might say an accident, but I will come back
• 1:39:59
  and correct myself and I believe which is very important that I
• 1:40:02
  come back and. If I lead, If I lead.
• 1:40:05
  People astray, which I'm not talking about what happened last
• 1:40:08
  year or whatever, but if I do, I will make sure I come back
• 1:40:11
  anybody and correct myself because there are literally
• 1:40:13
  millions of people listening for me.
• 1:40:15
  It's not billions of people, obviously maybe I think we reach
• 1:40:18
  like 10 million people every 30 days.
• 1:40:20
  Yeah, 10 million people are listening to our sermons every
• 1:40:22
  single 30 days and I want to make sure that every word is
• 1:40:25
  accurate. Yeah, but this is Yeah, I'm, I'm
• 1:40:27
  glad you went there. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm glad for
• 1:40:32
  letting. Me know check out the yeah yeah
• 1:40:33
  I wanted to hear from you food for us right like.
• 1:40:36
  Jesus is, he wants to. Be He is our.
• 1:40:37
  Everything. And he gives us the food for
• 1:40:39
  everything that we do. He gives us the, the guidance.
• 1:40:42
  He gives us the graces. It gives us the teaching.
• 1:40:44
  And that's the thing. We're not meant to do this
• 1:40:45
  alone. Like the, the, the, the
• 1:40:48
  adventure, certainly the mission that you're on.
• 1:40:50
  Yeah. You're meant to have all the
• 1:40:51
  support. Yeah.
• 1:40:53
  And, and the Lord wants that for you.
• 1:40:54
  So, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's good.
• 1:40:56
  I'm glad you brought it up. We'll keep talking about it, but
• 1:40:58
  I appreciate it. That's maybe I'm going to do.
• 1:41:01
  From Islam to Catholic well GK chestern.
• 1:41:04
  'S a great guy. Because you mentioned him.
• 1:41:05
  But he so. He actually was part of my
• 1:41:09
  journey into the church because he was Catholic and he's so deep
• 1:41:12
  and rich and understand, understood like the fullness of
• 1:41:15
  the picture. And so whenever I had a question
• 1:41:18
  like, well, what about papal authority?
• 1:41:20
  You know, what about Mary? What about these doctrines?
• 1:41:22
  I would just start to do more of the research and be like, OK,
• 1:41:24
  this it's like you said, you kind of like test, test, test
• 1:41:26
  it. So I think I'm curious if you do
• 1:41:29
  go down the route and you start to test things, let me know.
• 1:41:32
  You'll be the first one. I want to know what you think.
• 1:41:34
  I because I respect I. Respect you guys.
• 1:41:37
  As people that clearly are listening for God, Yeah.
• 1:41:39
  And I think that's very beautiful.
• 1:41:41
  So we're here to search for truth.
• 1:41:42
  That's all our heart. Truth, Truth, truth.
• 1:41:44
  Amen. All right, you guys are awesome.
• 1:41:46
  Thank God bless you. Thank.
• 1:41:48
  You and God keep you in your fight for especially life and
• 1:41:51
  for souls and onwards. Appreciate it.
• 1:41:54
  Thank you so much. God bless you my brother.
• 1:41:56
  God bless you. Thanks.
• 1:41:57
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• 1:41:59
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