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E219: Ex-Psychic Speaks Out: The Dark Reality of New Age Practices w/Jenn Nizza | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  Psychic readings are very addictive, Lila.
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  We were doing multiple readings a day, every day, but I wanted
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  to do it myself. This woman can tell me things.
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  Why can't I know these things? What's your first memory of
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  seeing a demon? It was a very evil, cold,
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  disgusting feeling. What?
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  Was the most shocking experience you had as a medium psychic.
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  He's the master of illusion, smoke and mirrors, the enemy.
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  I was so oppressed and I called on the name of Jesus Christ.
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  I had no idea why I did that. I had no idea why I did that.
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  Hey everyone, welcome back to the Lila Rose Show.
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  Today I'm sitting down with Jennifer Nizza who is an ex
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  psychic. She worked professionally as a
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  psychic for a decade in New York and she sits down with me today
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  to share the underworld of what it is like to be a psychic.
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  She talks about her dramatic conversion out of that space,
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  how the occult is heavily influencing that world and the
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  demonic. She shares experiences that are
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  absolutely mind blowing that I think everybody should know
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  about because many people today are using psychics.
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  They think that it's harmless or fun or interesting and they
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  don't understand the dangerous doors that it may open.
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  Jen is also the author of two books with one on the way and
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  she is the host of Ex Psychic Saved.
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  on YouTube or make sure you're subscribed on your favorite
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  podcast app. Jen Nizza, thanks so much for
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  joining the show. Hi Lila, thank you for having
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  me. I love meeting you.
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  I love meeting another Italian. You're talking about our You
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  were saying you're Sicilian. Yes, I'm Sicilian, so you will
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  see some talking with my hands. I love it.
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  Welcome on this show. I'm I'm a half Italian quarter
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  Sicilian. So oh cool.
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  We love that here. We're spicy.
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  Yes, in a good way. And then New York.
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  Are you born and raised in New York?
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  Born in Queens and raised on Long Island and I'm still there.
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  Beautiful. I saw your story from afar over
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  a year ago and I thought it's just incredible what this woman
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  is doing, what she's been through, what the life that
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  she's lived and the life you're living now.
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  They're so different. And this issue of psychics,
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  mediums, the occult, it's just so prevalent.
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  Many people dabble in this. They think it's harmless.
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  I was just listening to a podcast the other day and
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  they're talking about how many of my friends, they go to
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  psychics. You know, that's it's a, it's
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  seen as a normal or harmless things to, to most people.
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  You were a psychic. Yeah.
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  And to your point, it's becoming unfortunately glamorized,
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  trendy. You're seeing people at
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  Bachelorette parties doing it, baby showers, and the sad thing
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  about that is that it's seen as entertainment in those circles,
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  and it's real. I was a psychic and it's very,
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  very real. It's really demonic and really
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  demonic communication. Let's go back from the beginning
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  because your story is incredible and you can detail your actual
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  experiences of doing real communication with the spiritual
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  realm. Of course, the implications are
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  different than what most people might realize, and that's why
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  this conversation is so incredibly important for really
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  everyone hearing it. I think everyone needs to hear
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  Jen story, so let's start with your background.
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  Give us a little bit about your background and then how you got
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  introduced to the occult. Yeah, raised with mom and dad.
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  I have a sister and we used to talk about paranormal activity
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  in my home. My great aunt was a psychic and
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  my mom felt comfortable talking about these things in our home.
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  And I always say this, Lila, we don't throw mom under the bus.
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  She was deceived. And that's the point.
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  And we were talking about things in the home like Ouija boards.
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  We didn't use a Ouija board, but my sister's friends were using a
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  Ouija board. And we heard stories about that.
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  We saw this activity, what you would call paranormal activity
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  or demonic activity in the home, You know, lights going on and
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  off, things moving around, so on and so forth.
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  But it truly was at the age of 13 when I had a tarot card
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  reading. That was the gateway. 13 years
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  old. Thirteen years.
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  Old, yes, mom was a hairdresser and the beauty supply that she
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  used to go to, the woman that worked there, she read tarot on
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  the side, I guess. And she's suggested having a
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  psychic party, kind of like what we were just talking about a
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  psychic party, like get all your customers together and see if
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  they'd be interested for these private personal readings, 15
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  minute readings. And of course they were like,
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  yes, we're in because the supernatural is intriguing,
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  very, very intriguing. And that's what happened.
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  We had this little party at my house, mom's little shop, She
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  had a little beauty parlor in our house and she allowed my
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  sister and I to have a reading, a 15 minute tarot card reading.
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  And it blew my mind. It really blew my mind.
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  I, I always say, you know, I didn't have a frame of reference
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  for this. It was way above me, it's way
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  above all of us because we're talking about the spiritual.
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  When I was 13 and I had this tarot card reading and I was
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  like, how does this woman know anything about me?
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  How does she, how do these cards know anything that has happened
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  already? You know, not profound things,
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  praise the Lord, because I was 13, but I hadn't gone through
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  much at that point. But things that had just
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  happened. So she knew she did.
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  Yeah. And so this this psychic doing
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  the tarot card reading with you, what can you walk us through
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  what she told you about yourself and what you were surprised by
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  at age 13, while this person seems to know things about me.
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  One specific thing that comes to mind is that she told me that I
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  received a piece of jewelry from a friend who had gone overseas.
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  That may sound generic, although I mean, I'm 13.
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  How many of your friends ago and I live, I mean, low to middle
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  class. It's not as though I had jet
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  setting friends. And sure enough, that is exactly
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  what happened. My very best friend at the time,
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  she had gone to Ireland and she brought me back a beautiful
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  bracelet and I was like, what? How does she know about like how
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  do they know this situ? You know, how do they know this
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  fact? It's a fact that did happen.
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  Was there anything that the psychic told you at age 13 that
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  was just flat out not true or not applicable to you?
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  Not that I can remember. I mean, we're going back many
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  years. But it seemed real to you.
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  It seemed real. And so, you know, that's a
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  that's a great point because it only takes one fact to hook you.
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  So if she did say something that didn't resonate with me or
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  wasn't true, it wouldn't have mattered because she said that
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  one thing and that's the hook. And that's what I always say.
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  The enemy will give you a there's got to be a hook.
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  Otherwise why would you believe into it?
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  Why would you continue doing it? Why would you be so fascinated
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  by it? So what happened after that
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  first encounter with Tara Reading and with the psychic at
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  13? My sister was equally impressed
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  by her reading and we decided that we were going to go out and
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  get our own tarot cards because that is what led me down the
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  rabbit hole. I wanted more.
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  I wanted more of whatever just happened, but I wanted to do it
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  myself. I mean, this woman can tell me
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  things. Why can't I do that?
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  Why shouldn't I get my own tarot cards and delve into the
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  unknown? Why can't I know these things?
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  And it really makes you think about Eve in the Garden, right?
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  You can have that knowledge, hidden knowledge, the desire for
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  hidden knowledge, what's going to happen in the future.
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  And at that time period as teenagers, you're dealing with
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  issues kind of more, you know, with school and friends and boys
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  and things like that. But it didn't matter.
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  I wanted to know, I wanted to know.
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  So my sister and I got our own tarot cards and we started doing
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  readings. And psychic readings are very
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  addictive. Lila which makes sense because
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  it's demonic. We started doing these readings
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  and then we had to do more and more readings.
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  We were doing multiple readings a day, every day until we
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  started getting into the next thing and the next thing and the
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  next thing because it's like a drug.
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  It's not enough. It comes to a point where it's
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  just not enough. You have to do more.
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  And I started breaking into numerology, astrology.
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  My sister was was all in on it. She would get the books.
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  I was a little bit more lazy. I would go to the readers and
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  get readings and get charts done and then, oh gosh, coffee, grime
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  readings, any kind of reading, basically, I did it.
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  I went and any single thing that was ever on my mind, any issue
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  on my heart, I would go to divination to to get wisdom,
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  counterfeit wisdom, right. I didn't know what the time
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  though. Wisdom, hope, healing,
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  Counterfeit. All counterfeit because of
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  course they can't provide it. Did you have any sort of sense
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  of a relationship with God growing up?
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  Or, you know, did you have any sense of who Jesus was?
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  Or was this really your way to try to connect with God?
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  I wouldn't have said that. It was my way to try and connect
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  with God. My mom talked about Jesus.
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  My mom. I really.
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  Yeah. And I really do believe.
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  Even to this day, I really do believe.
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  My mom loves Jesus. She was just deceived by
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  divination. So I knew the Jesus that was in
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  the movie at Easter time on the cross.
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  And I would cry a river seeing that.
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  And I would know about praying. And I I was raised culturally
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  Catholic, so I was told about Jesus.
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  But did I know Jesus? No.
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  Well, it sounds like your mother though wasn't practicing if
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  So you're you're getting you're dabbling more into this as a
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  teenager. Your sister's involved in it.
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  Does your mother know that this is happening?
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  Yes. OK.
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  She's like, OK. And then what Point tell me.
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  You said you had to do more and more and more.
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  Yeah. Tell me how this eventually
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  leads to you actually taking up a profession as a psychic.
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  Yeah. So as I go into more and more
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  readings, I'm doing readings, I'm getting readings.
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  Of course, the demonic entities around me were escalating.
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  That's what happens. Every door you open, you're
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  inviting more and more in. And I started to see them
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  manifest. I started to see demons
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  manifesting as animals, as people, and I started getting
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  touched by them and. How old were you?
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  That was closer to my early 20s, yeah, Early 20s, I would say.
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  What's your first memory of seeing a demon?
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  Oh God, what happened? Was it the animal first?
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  I think it was the animal. At first it looked like an owl
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  and I was scared. I was scared because I could
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  tell that it wasn't wouldn't be 3 dimensional like us.
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  It wouldn't have the physicality it more.
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  It's hard to describe. Like you see it but it's empty
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  or like a hologram, something like that.
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  If that makes sense to you. You would see it, but you it
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  wouldn't be material. Who wouldn't have material so?
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  Were you like doing a tarot card reading and then you would see
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  this satanic image or how would? That no, I was just walking
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  around in my home. I think I was just like in the
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  living room or kitchen and I saw that thing and I was scared and
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  it just looked like a Gray scary thing owl, whatever, and then
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  poof, gone. And then I remember seeing I was
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  in my kitchen and I was laying my head down on my arms, you
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  know, and I I picked my head up and I looked to the left and to
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  the left was the hallway that led to my room.
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  And I looked over there and I saw what looked like a man
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  standing right there in the doorway.
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  And it shocked me. And again, looked like a, like a
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  professor type guy, very lean, very tall.
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  I, I remember his features and, and everything but this dead
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  look in the eye like this dead stare staring at me.
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  And that just lasted for a couple of seconds or whatever,
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  then poof, gone. And I really didn't know what to
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  make of that other than I knew I was seeing something.
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  I knew I really was seeing something.
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  I knew I didn't have any sort of condition, if you know what I
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  mean, because that's another place people take this.
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  Well, maybe you were dealing with, you know, some sort of
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  schizophrenia or something. It doesn't operate that way.
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  And they were just making themselves more known to me.
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  And then it ended up that I had this dream with a boy who was
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  around 17 or I should say demon masquerading as a boy who was
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  around 17 and showed me how he died, what he looked like, and
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  that he was connected to my ex. So now at this time now I'm
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  getting a little bit closer to my, well, still my early 20s.
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  I was a single mom, and so I was broken up with my daughter's
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  dad, and I knew this situation was connected to him because he
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  was in the dream. And this girlfriend who I'd
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  never met, never seen, I didn't have a description of her, but I
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  just knew. So I share this with him when he
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  comes to see the baby and he's like, oh, I don't know, because
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  I thought it was weird. So he's like, yeah, I don't
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  know. I'll go ask her about it.
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  He comes back the next week to visit the baby.
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  And he's like, Jen, I have to talk to you.
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  He's like that dream. I, I told so and so.
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  I don't want to mention names. I told so and so and she said
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  that's exactly the description of her friend.
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  I always get this mixed up because it's been years.
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  Friend's brother or brother's friend who recently passed away.
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  He was that age. That's what he looked like.
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  That's how the whole thing happened.
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  So then what is his name? And he wasn't trying to play a
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  parlor game with me. We're both just honestly like,
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  what's going on? And I instantly got the name
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  downloaded. His name was Michael.
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  And he looked at me in shock. And that's how I knew that that
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  was correct because he was amazed.
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  And I was like, oh, what's happening?
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  Were you a psychic at this point?
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  I was a psychic at that point. Professionally.
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  No. OK, so you had just been
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  dabbling in the occult now for so many years.
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  You were doing stuff and so you were kind of getting secret
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  knowledge. Yes.
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  And I was doing, I was doing readings.
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  I just, they were just free readings.
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  And I was actually an aesthetician for a while.
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  And I'd be doing facials and, you know, playing Enya in the
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  background with my candle. It was very meditative.
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  The lights were off. You just got the music.
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  And I'm already into all that stuff to start, right?
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  And I would start receiving information about the clients
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  that were sitting there. And I would say, hey, listen,
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  you know, I, I do psychic readings and stuff.
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  I'm getting some information. Is it OK to share it with you?
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  And I would say, Lila, it's like 10 times out of 10, the answer
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  was yes. Wow.
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  The answer was yes. So yeah, I was definitely
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  receiving a lot of information. This was just a different step
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  because I didn't believe that I was communicating with deceased
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  people prior to this spirit guide.
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  Yes. Spirits, yes.
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  But I wouldn't have said deceased people until this,
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  which is what the transition into mediumship is, because
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  that's what mediumship is. OK, I have so many questions to
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  unpack this as you can imagine. So you are practicing as a as a
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  decision. You have a little child.
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  You are at this time personally doing numerology tarot card
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  readings for your own personal benefit as you see it, right?
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  And your sister's involved of course.
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  As you shared, you also were explaining that you saw these
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  starting to see these demonic images that were scary to you.
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  Did you connect at any point that dabbling with this occult
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  numerology readings things like this was bringing in these scary
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  figures or spirits? Did that connect at all for you?
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  No, no, it didn't connect that it was bringing them in.
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  What I thought about it was that this was the spiritual realm,
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  and there's good and there's bad or light and dark, and so this
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  is the darkness of it. Yet I can find a way to protect
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  myself, and I need to find out how to do that.
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  And then, you know, cueing crystals, smudging, and the rest
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  of the false tools of protection that I ended up getting.
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  Candles, lighting, very ritualistic things like that.
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  I learned more about that after the mediumship started, though,
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  because when that happened, like I said, whenever something
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  happened in my life, I was going for a reading to find out.
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  So of course, I make an appointment with the psychic
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  medium. And she said, Jen, you're,
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  you're a medium too. You have a gift from God.
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  That hurts. You know, even saying it,
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  repeating it now, Lila is so heartbreaking to me.
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  It's so blasphemous and disgusting.
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  It's not a gift from God, but that's what the New Age believes
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  and that's what the occult believes.
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  And she told me that that's what's happening and you need to
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  go to this divination group. She didn't say divination, but
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  that's what it is. You need to go to this spiritual
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  group. OK.
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  Now we see a lot of spiritual centers.
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  This happened to be in this woman's home.
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  And she gave me the business card.
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  I called. This woman had two classes, 1 on
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  a Monday night, one on a Wednesday night.
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  So 1 was like a beginner group. So I got, you know, she.
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  Was a psychic this woman? She was a Reiki master, she was
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  a Reiki master and she was somebody that helped.
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  If it's OK to use the word I feel but but groom groom
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  psychics and mediums. Did she get paid for that work?
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  Yes, she got paid for. So just to unpack this further,
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  so and, and I want to get into obviously your, your work, as
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  they say, as a psychic or, and as a medium.
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  But so there's, there's multiple things you've mentioned, there's
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  numerology you've mentioned, you know, tarot cards reading, of
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  course there's psychic A Reiki master was another thing you
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  just said too. What was?
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  What are the differences between these things?
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  OK, so they're all too well Reiki and you mentioned?
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  Crystals, candles and some of these other tools that are used
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  to kind of cultivate the good spirits or the good the good,
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  the light, as opposed to that you perceive of the darkness.
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  So we have tools of divination. So your tarot cards, your Angel
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  cards, a Ouija board, numerology, astrology, that's a
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  tool of divination. So it's taking something that's
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  created and using it to try to extract knowledge, communicate
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  with the dead, such as psychics, of course, or psychic mediums I
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  should say. But even sometimes psychics, I
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  guess they might think I just didn't when I was a psychic.
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  But so it's, they're tools of divination.
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  Tarot cards, for example, are just cards that actually were
• 20:01
  created for a card game in Italy called Taroki back in the mid to
• 20:05
  late 15th century. Yeah, 14 hundreds.
• 20:09
  And it didn't become a tool of divination until it got into the
• 20:12
  hands of a French occultist. And you know, the thing with
• 20:16
  that is what happened when the cards got into the hands of the
• 20:20
  occultist. He started channeling
• 20:22
  interpretations for these cards. Then you have your Tarot deck,
• 20:26
  which comes along with the pamphlet with interpretations,
• 20:30
  which was channelled from demonic entities because that's
• 20:32
  the only, that's the only thing you're communicating with
• 20:36
  through psychic tools, through psychic communication of demons.
• 20:40
  So he made these interpretations, Angel cards,
• 20:44
  etcetera. Numbers numerology is that
• 20:46
  you're going to a number and a lot of people believe in Angel
• 20:50
  numbers. They believe that angels are
• 20:53
  sending numbers that have a hidden message or meaning
• 20:57
  numbers could gosh, we used to think that if we added up
• 21:02
  numbers like our birthday and then we come up with this one
• 21:06
  number which would be our number for the year.
• 21:08
  Boy, oh boy, let me tell you some of those numbers because
• 21:11
  you know it's very subjective so the interpretations will be
• 21:13
  different from psychic to psychic, new Ager to new ager.
• 21:17
  Some of them can be rather daunting.
• 21:18
  And then when you get the daunting number, it's like, Oh
• 21:22
  no, what can I do now to either raise my vibration, get more
• 21:27
  positivity coming my way, prevent something from
• 21:29
  happening? Do I need more crystals?
• 21:32
  Do I need more sage? Do I need more candles?
• 21:34
  What can I do? Because it always comes back to
• 21:36
  control, power and pride. And what else did you bring up?
• 21:40
  OK, so Reiki is a energy, a pseudoscience, New age energy,
• 21:47
  counterfeit healing modality where the Reiki practitioner
• 21:53
  believes that by putting their hands over somebody that the
• 21:56
  energy will heal organs, heal them.
• 22:00
  But. They're not calling on the name
• 22:01
  of Jesus Christ. Oh no.
• 22:03
  No, what do they call? Nothing to do with Reiki.
• 22:05
  What are they calling on? Themselves, themselves love and
• 22:09
  light. I'm sending you love, I'm
• 22:12
  sending you light. I'm sending light remotely even
• 22:15
  they would even do Reiki on people remotely by just sending.
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• 23:39
  seeing a lot of the law of attraction.
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  The law of attraction crystals and astrology Zodiac signs are
• 23:46
  the go to Lila. You can't even sign up.
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  I share this all the time, but somebody wanted me to sign up on
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  Snapchat to use use it for video editing or something, and I had
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  to punch in my birthday. I'm like, why do I have to do
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  this? Because it wanted to give me my
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  Zodiac sign and that would be a part of my profile.
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  You're a Capricorn ex. Psychic and her Zodiac sign.
• 24:06
  You're like, not right. Yeah, no thank you.
• 24:08
  And no, I'm not a Capricorn. Because you want to know why
• 24:11
  stars know nothing about us. God created the stars, the sun,
• 24:15
  the moon and the planets. But we don't go to God, we go to
• 24:20
  his creation. That's looking for meaning from
• 24:23
  something that is meaningless, doesn't have, doesn't know if
• 24:27
  you're quirky, doesn't know if you're going to get the job or
• 24:29
  not, doesn't know, but who does? And I, I wouldn't say, know the
• 24:34
  future because we know demons don't.
• 24:36
  But where are you getting any of this information from?
• 24:38
  Right? So you're going into divination.
• 24:41
  God condemns it from the beginning of His Word to the
• 24:43
  end. I want to, though, see it
• 24:45
  through your eyes at the time, before you had a conversion
• 24:48
  because when you saw these things, you weren't thinking,
• 24:50
  oh, God condemns this. Oh, this is evil.
• 24:52
  This is demonic. You thought that this is love
• 24:54
  and light, right? So when you were getting
• 24:57
  involved with or you went to this Reiki master, you thought
• 25:03
  you were just going to get training for how to help other
• 25:06
  people. I mean, what was kind of your
• 25:07
  motivation at the time? Yeah.
• 25:08
  Help other people hone, hone this gift so that I could get
• 25:14
  people messages from the departed loved ones because I
• 25:16
  thought that's what I was supposed to do.
• 25:18
  Like it was a burden on me that it was a special gift that could
• 25:23
  help people heal from their grief.
• 25:25
  They wanted to know if their loved ones were OK.
• 25:28
  And that's how it and I really do.
• 25:29
  My heart breaks, Lila, for everybody that seeks psychics
• 25:32
  out mediums and stuff, because you're right.
• 25:34
  Thinking back on when I was in it, I really truly believe not
• 25:38
  only that I was helping people, but I believed that these things
• 25:41
  had the answers. That these things knew stuff
• 25:44
  about me and could offer me knowledge that I craved.
• 25:49
  There is, in my limited experience with this, an
• 25:53
  impression I think a lot of people have that psychics are
• 25:55
  pretty friendly and sweet. You know, I, I, I remember being
• 26:00
  approached on the street probably, I don't know, a decade
• 26:03
  and a half ago. This has maybe happened to me a
• 26:05
  couple times, but a very sweet, soft spoken lady.
• 26:09
  I have something gives you a card.
• 26:11
  I have something to share with you if you would like me to say
• 26:13
  it. I don't remember the exact
• 26:14
  phrasing she used, but basically saying like I have information
• 26:16
  on you for it to help you if you want to hear it.
• 26:19
  Very sweet, no pressure. Again, like like like a like a
• 26:23
  nice lady trying to give you advice about your life, you
• 26:25
  know, or give you some information to help you.
• 26:28
  And I think most people see it that way.
• 26:30
  Was that your experience at the time, that the people involved
• 26:33
  in this were just like nice ladies like yourself who's just
• 26:36
  trying to help other people, and that's kind of the impression
• 26:38
  that other people had of you? Yes, 1,000,000% I was the single
• 26:43
  mom shopping at the Gap. Totally didn't look like
• 26:47
  anything scary compassionate. I mean, I would cry with my
• 26:51
  clients. I I loved them, I cared about
• 26:54
  them. I mean, of course, when I first
• 26:55
  met them, I didn't know them from a hole in the wool, but
• 26:59
  they would always come back. I mean, my whole business was
• 27:01
  word of mouth, but I drew to care about these people and the
• 27:05
  circle that I was in. We all seem the same.
• 27:09
  We all seem that way. There was no, which is why I'm
• 27:12
  so I'm so thankful that we're having this conversation because
• 27:15
  I think a lot of people you have your, your people that see this
• 27:18
  as just, OK, this is just innocent or unfortunately
• 27:23
  sometimes just entertainment. But it's the same thing as what
• 27:29
  you may think of when you think of a witch.
• 27:32
  You, you might see it differently.
• 27:34
  You may see somebody who's maybe gothicy garbed or pointy black
• 27:40
  hats. I mean, the entertainment
• 27:41
  business has done a real number with what witchcraft is, right?
• 27:45
  So, hey, if, if I look like I'm in a pointy Black Hat and I'm,
• 27:50
  you know, with the cauldron and I'm coming out of this coven and
• 27:53
  whatever you may think that that is something to mark and avoid.
• 27:57
  Most people would right? But you see me coming your way.
• 28:00
  This is OK. This is even you know, hey
• 28:03
  listen and talking about. And she's going to give me a
• 28:05
  facial. And you?
• 28:06
  Know it's just like. You know, people can say like,
• 28:08
  look at this lady, she's so sweet.
• 28:10
  You know, she's my best friend. I mean, I think a lot of
• 28:13
  clients, I'm going to guess really bonded with you and went
• 28:16
  to you for your for your help. 100% and we're talking about
• 28:20
  people. This is a very sensitive
• 28:22
  situation. People that have lost their
• 28:24
  children, people that have lost their spouses, people that have
• 28:27
  lost their moms and dads and just didn't know how to move on,
• 28:32
  didn't know what to do. I mean, I always say grief is
• 28:35
  arguably the hardest human emotion.
• 28:38
  That's my opinion. And it leaves us very
• 28:42
  vulnerable. And let's be honest about it.
• 28:44
  If you are that person on the street and you just lost your
• 28:46
  mom and a psychic medium came over to you and said, hey,
• 28:48
  listen, your mom's with your mom's with me.
• 28:52
  She has a message for you that's going to be extremely tempting
• 28:56
  to say yes, right? To say yes to.
• 28:58
  Yeah. I mean, you're in grief.
• 29:00
  You're you're heartbroken. And it's something that's very
• 29:05
  alluring. It's something that's very
• 29:06
  seductive as well. However, like I, like I said
• 29:10
  that no matter what it looks like, you have to look beyond
• 29:13
  that because the person in the coven is the same as the Long
• 29:17
  Island medium, which I was one myself.
• 29:20
  Same thing. We're going to get into the
• 29:23
  stories that you have, which are absolutely incredible about
• 29:26
  actually working, you could say working as a psychic.
• 29:30
  There was a news story not too long ago.
• 29:33
  There's lots of news stories obviously about the royal
• 29:34
  family, you know, British royal family.
• 29:37
  Prince Harry contacted the Princess Diana through psychic
• 29:40
  who claimed to have powers and this was a famous story.
• 29:44
  I think it came out in the Oprah interview that Prince Harry and
• 29:47
  Meghan Markle did but just talked about how the psychic
• 29:50
  told him that Diana feels your confusion Understood.
• 29:55
  He has so many questions. The answers would come in time
• 29:58
  and then there was something about a Christmas ornament.
• 30:01
  Harry recounts being told that this was in the book that Prince
• 30:04
  Harry published about his life, Perrier Crowns, being told that
• 30:07
  his mother's spirit had witnessed his son Prince Archie
• 30:10
  breaking a Christmas tree ornament shaped like the late
• 30:13
  Queen Elizabeth. The psychic reportedly
• 30:15
  questioned the Duke about the broken ornament, to which he
• 30:17
  confessed his son was trying to repair.
• 30:20
  The medium then suggested that Diana had found amusement in the
• 30:22
  incident as she watched her ground Soon, whom she had never
• 30:25
  met, reports the Daily Record. That is so demonic.
• 30:30
  Obviously it's demonic, but let me explain what happened there.
• 30:33
  Tell me what happened. So as a professional former
• 30:35
  psychic. You got it.
• 30:36
  So of course what you're doing is you're channeling.
• 30:38
  You've entered into divination already, so now you've got
• 30:40
  demonic communication. Demons can only report
• 30:43
  accurately what they've seen already.
• 30:45
  The rest of it, the future stuff, is just prediction.
• 30:48
  They saw that ornament break that had already happened.
• 30:51
  That's past information, so they can report that with 100%
• 30:55
  accuracy and you need that information in that reading,
• 30:58
  Lila, because I mentioned the hook, there has to be a hook.
• 31:02
  There has to be something that now 99% of the reading could be
• 31:06
  completely something that you don't understand, but that part
• 31:09
  was true. How could you have known that?
• 31:11
  How could you have known that? How could you have reported
• 31:14
  this? There has to be that accurate
• 31:17
  piece of information and there will be when you're when you're
• 31:21
  dealing with somebody who, when you're dealing with somebody
• 31:23
  who's not a charlatan, when you're dealing with somebody
• 31:24
  who's a true psychic. And that sounds exactly like
• 31:27
  what happened there. So, but in this case, what
• 31:30
  you're saying is the demon knew that the ornament had broken,
• 31:32
  they saw it. Cause demons have access to the
• 31:33
  physical realm. They can see things.
• 31:35
  They don't have eternal knowledge, you know, they're not
• 31:37
  omniscient or omnipresent, but they can roam around and see
• 31:40
  stuff. And they got access to that
• 31:42
  piece of information. And then did they lie to the
• 31:44
  psychic and tell the psychic? Yeah, Princess Diana is saying
• 31:47
  she saw it too. And they invent a story.
• 31:50
  They invent a story that then the psychic tells, whether they
• 31:53
  believe it sincerely or not, they tell the story.
• 31:55
  Maybe they sincerely believe it. Yeah, this is sincerely what's
• 31:57
  happening. Psychic is deceived too.
• 31:59
  And the psychic passes on the information. 1,000,000% That's
• 32:02
  how the enemy operates in half truths.
• 32:05
  So you've got that one thing that I hate even calling it
• 32:07
  true, but is accurate. You have that one piece of
• 32:09
  information and then the rest is a lie because the dead do not
• 32:13
  communicate with the living Wasn't even happening.
• 32:17
  It wasn't even happening and I totally understand that.
• 32:19
  I used to believe I was getting information about what so and
• 32:23
  so's dad was doing in heaven, also known as the other side
• 32:27
  playing golf or doing this or doing that.
• 32:29
  And it would always be something that well and I think.
• 32:32
  For Christians, if they, if God wants to give us peace that a
• 32:34
  loved 1 is in heaven as an example, he can give us peace
• 32:38
  through different means, but that's very different than going
• 32:41
  to a psychic who is not under the authority of Jesus Christ,
• 32:44
  Amen. Right.
• 32:45
  I mean, they're, they're doing this outside of God's authority.
• 32:47
  They're doing this in their own authority and they're working
• 32:50
  with, you know, powers and principalities outside of the
• 32:53
  authority of God who are trying to do it their own way.
• 32:56
  Even if they might look gentle in the, in the, in the short
• 32:59
  term, they might seem harmless in the short term.
• 33:01
  That's part of the deception, right?
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• 33:06
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  I'm really curious about your first.
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  The first time you did a intentional psychic reading as a
• 34:16
  medium to communicate with the dead.
• 34:17
  You mentioned the the dream you had, so you're given knowledge
• 34:20
  in this dream. What?
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  What happens next? So my first intentional and I'm
• 34:25
  going to say professional psychic reading was with a woman
• 34:29
  who actually had lost her son to cancer.
• 34:33
  And I don't remember if we met in a Starbucks or if we met
• 34:36
  because I used to do the readings in my mom's basement,
• 34:38
  the actual the same place where I had my first reading.
• 34:42
  Some of these things hit me later on.
• 34:43
  Lila, when I look back and it's like, Oh my goodness.
• 34:47
  But his name, how he died, his age, details about their life,
• 34:53
  details about her, details about dad.
• 34:58
  And the ultimate main message is really pointing to the fact that
• 35:04
  this means it's him. OK, so here's again, the lie,
• 35:08
  right? That it's him.
• 35:09
  It's not him. Sorry.
• 35:10
  So what you're saying is a woman comes to you?
• 35:13
  Yeah. She wants to heal her broken
• 35:16
  heart somehow. Get information on her son who's
• 35:18
  passed that He's still. He's OK.
• 35:20
  Maybe. You say you have a son.
• 35:23
  He was this old. He died in this way.
• 35:25
  Oh, yes. Yes, yes.
• 35:26
  OK. I can hear him.
• 35:27
  Is that how that works? Pretty much this was his name or
• 35:31
  his name started with what Sometimes the names were given
• 35:34
  exactly as they were, and sometimes it's, you know, the
• 35:37
  initial, I know people go to town on that one, but it's true.
• 35:40
  It's just the way it worked. But then you you have all those
• 35:43
  other pieces that just all tie together.
• 35:45
  And it's kind of like if I said to you, hey, this woman, her
• 35:48
  name starts with an L and she has a podcast and she does all
• 35:52
  this work for XY and Z and she but you're right, it would kind
• 35:55
  of make sense and point to you. So it would make sense.
• 35:58
  So yeah, I, I so are you. Hearing these things audibly,
• 36:02
  how are you as a psychic getting that psychic medium getting this
• 36:04
  information? It's so most of it is downloaded
• 36:07
  information and what I mean by that is you know when you think
• 36:10
  and you can hear like I'm. Going through like the inner
• 36:12
  monologue. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:14
  So that's what it sounds like, except that it's not your
• 36:16
  thoughts. They're instant downloads,
• 36:18
  right? So if I'm just sitting here,
• 36:19
  it's instantly, you know, Dave and died of cancer or when like
• 36:24
  instantly. I also did a lot of automatic
• 36:26
  writing when I was channeling. So I would have a notebook and a
• 36:28
  pen and I would start very, you know, drawing the symbols and,
• 36:34
  and writing things down and, and things of that nature.
• 36:37
  So I would also sometimes see the familiar spirit or the demon
• 36:42
  masquerading as a mom or a dad, a grandma, and I would say so
• 36:47
  and so is here and she looks like this.
• 36:49
  It was a great way for me to get a description.
• 36:52
  Like a hologram. Yeah.
• 36:53
  That's exactly like the evil spirits you'd seen.
• 36:56
  Yes, as well. But you thought they were a good
• 36:58
  spirit because this was like the mother or the grandmother of
• 37:01
  this person coming to you for help.
• 37:02
  Yes. And so.
• 37:04
  So they would be talking to you. It would be like at the inner
• 37:06
  monologue voice in your head, except it wasn't your thoughts.
• 37:08
  They were coming from some other spirit.
• 37:10
  You thought it was a good spirit.
• 37:10
  Of course, you're doing this because you're, you know, you're
• 37:13
  doing, trying to help. You think you're helping this
• 37:14
  person. What happened in that the first
• 37:17
  professional psychic medium reading where it was the mother
• 37:20
  with the son who passed away from cancer?
• 37:21
  What did he, the devil posing as him, say to the mother?
• 37:25
  Yeah. Gave details about what was
• 37:27
  going on in their life at the current time, what Dad was
• 37:31
  doing, what she was doing. She ended up starting, Gosh,
• 37:35
  would you like a charity type of thing in honor of him and what
• 37:41
  was going on with people there and so on and so forth.
• 37:44
  And even her personal private moments, I think there was
• 37:48
  something with when she was in the car.
• 37:50
  And again, I just want to say, you know, we're, we're going
• 37:52
  back many, many years. I'm 48, We're going back over to
• 37:56
  20 years at this point. And this personal private
• 38:00
  moment. And whenever I would start
• 38:02
  speaking about who was there in the reading, when she heard it
• 38:05
  was her son or believed it to be her son, the tears were
• 38:11
  instantaneous. Of course they would be.
• 38:14
  Of course they would be. And then I'm thinking, praise
• 38:18
  the Lord. Well, I can't say praise the
• 38:20
  Lord. See, it's now you.
• 38:21
  Didn't know a Christian for. A long time.
• 38:22
  Yeah, but you're like, this is great and doing and helping, but
• 38:25
  was there a message of comfort or was it just a message of he?
• 38:30
  Was not in pain. What do you say I'm in heaven?
• 38:32
  What would he say? That it's well, I believed that
• 38:34
  it was heaven, so both the other side.
• 38:37
  But I'm curious, with the devil parading as the the son or the
• 38:42
  family member who's assuring their living family member
• 38:46
  because they're deceased that they're OK, would they say I'm
• 38:49
  in heaven or would they say sometimes OK?
• 38:51
  I just don't think he specifically said I seen that
• 38:54
  reading. I see.
• 38:55
  But So what you're saying though, is like the spirit
• 38:58
  who's, you know, the demonic spirit ultimately who's doing
• 39:00
  this is not afraid to say, to lie and say.
• 39:03
  And, and, and also what's so crazy about this, right, Jen, is
• 39:05
  that maybe the person is in heaven, right?
• 39:08
  Because the Saint Satan sometimes does tell the truth.
• 39:10
  He says you are the Son of God. Like Satan tells the truth and
• 39:13
  he lies and he told. So it's, it's not like, but he's
• 39:15
  evil, right? He's obviously disobedient to
• 39:18
  God. So that's the crazy thing about
• 39:19
  this is that he could be telling the truth.
• 39:21
  This person could be in heaven. They could be completely all
• 39:24
  right, but they're they're still pretending in order to make this
• 39:29
  person trust them. Absolutely, 100% believe the lie
• 39:33
  that they're communicating with the dead and put their faith and
• 39:36
  trust in the medium, in the medium and not to not in Jesus,
• 39:41
  not in God, and lead people further and further away from
• 39:44
  the Lord Jesus, from the truth and just to keep them ensnared.
• 39:49
  What was the most shocking experience you had as a medium
• 39:54
  psychic and and having access to information that you thought
• 39:58
  this this is just impossible? I have a couple.
• 40:02
  I have a couple. One which I do share is I went
• 40:07
  to do a group reading. I don't remember I I think it
• 40:10
  was a Halloween group reading. Halloween is the time of year
• 40:13
  for psychics. Let me tell you, I got hired to
• 40:16
  do a lot of these parties and such and I would give people a
• 40:19
  choice anyway for group readings.
• 40:21
  So you could either all sit together for a reading or you
• 40:24
  can have those mini private readings just like I had back in
• 40:27
  the day, right? And they chose to have these
• 40:29
  mini private readings. So it's me sitting there with my
• 40:31
  candle, my sage, and I've already smudged and done my
• 40:35
  whole thing and then 1 by 1 is. Sorry, what is smudged?
• 40:39
  Oh, you take white sage? Don't take it and don't do this,
• 40:43
  obviously. But the practice of taking white
• 40:45
  sage, burning it and believing that this would rid you of any
• 40:49
  negative negative deem see I'm a Christian for so long now I
• 40:53
  can't negative spirits, negative vibes, negative entities,
• 40:57
  anything. It's a cultural practice and I
• 41:01
  was taught in that divination group to to do that got it to
• 41:04
  protect myself. So I would do that mite my
• 41:06
  candle, go into that meditative state, which is almost like a
• 41:10
  trance like state. So then I could start to
• 41:12
  channel. So one by one they start coming
• 41:15
  in and this woman comes in and she sits across from me with it
• 41:17
  just like this. This is exactly how far apart we
• 41:20
  were. And I start channelling and
• 41:23
  instantly it was not something I was very used to in a psychic
• 41:28
  medium. Reading it was a very evil
• 41:31
  feeling, cold, disgusting situation.
• 41:36
  And I start getting these pieces of information and as they start
• 41:39
  coming together I tell this woman that she was shot.
• 41:43
  This was her uncle coming through.
• 41:46
  He shot her and he shot her brother.
• 41:50
  And I start to see these newspaper articles and all the
• 41:53
  all this information she was shot.
• 41:55
  She's looking at me with daggers and as if I'm the uncle, as if
• 42:01
  I'm no longer the medium, but I'm him.
• 42:05
  She had hatred, which, listen, that really happened.
• 42:10
  Her uncle shot her. I don't know what she expected
• 42:13
  to happen when she came in. I don't know why this bold and
• 42:17
  blatant demon. You know, there's ranks of
• 42:19
  demons and this one decided to be really bold.
• 42:24
  That's what I have to say. Bold, I mean, because you want
• 42:27
  to talk about a, a devil telling the truth.
• 42:29
  Well, he told it and it was a very bad ugly truth and it just
• 42:35
  increased her feelings of hatred.
• 42:37
  Scared me out of my mind because I really thought she was going
• 42:40
  to attack me or something. I don't because the way she was
• 42:43
  looking at me, I felt sick. After this reading, I felt sick.
• 42:47
  Like when I went home I felt sick for a while.
• 42:50
  What was the message that this dead uncle via the demon?
• 42:53
  It was actually a demon who knew that this has happened.
• 42:55
  But what message did the demon give this woman posing as the
• 42:59
  dead uncle? Remember, if it was that he
• 43:02
  wanted forgiveness or something like that, I don't know, kind of
• 43:05
  putting her in a position where, wait a minute, this is not an
• 43:08
  over thing for me, like a closure thing for me or
• 43:11
  whatever. But again, we're going back so
• 43:13
  many years. So I don't want to.
• 43:14
  I don't want to speak exactly to it because I don't remember and
• 43:16
  I don't want to. Did she leave relieved to your
• 43:18
  memory? No.
• 43:20
  She was, he left very upset. Looking very upset and I just
• 43:23
  wanted to get out of there. Did you have an experience?
• 43:27
  As you said, there was one other story.
• 43:28
  Actually, I don't want to. Actually, I would.
• 43:30
  Like to share this one because it looking back on it in
• 43:33
  retrospect, I looking back on all these in retrospect, I can
• 43:38
  see how evil and we're probably only seeing a fraction of it of
• 43:41
  how evil the devil is and his minions.
• 43:43
  But a woman came to me for a reading and as I start
• 43:46
  channeling now this was a little bit different.
• 43:49
  This was about her husband having an affair.
• 43:51
  And I could see like all the emails and all the and I knew
• 43:55
  that this woman knew, you know, I knew.
• 43:58
  And I start talking about and I just want to mention that when
• 44:02
  somebody would come to me for a reading that I only had a name.
• 44:06
  Don't tell me anything, don't say anything.
• 44:08
  We're going to channel. Let the spirits do all the
• 44:10
  talking. Say yes or no, say I understand
• 44:13
  or I don't understand. Period.
• 44:15
  OK, so as I'm channeling, these pieces of information are coming
• 44:18
  through and this person is yes, yes, yes, right.
• 44:22
  So we go through this whole reading so you might follow up
• 44:25
  and say, well, what was the point of that?
• 44:27
  Well, one, to show that these devils had some accurate
• 44:31
  information. So report that again, to keep
• 44:34
  the person away from Jesus and coming to a psychic, coming to a
• 44:37
  medium. Next, the next part comes
• 44:41
  afterwards. She left my house and called me
• 44:46
  that night. Now at night time, I would
• 44:47
  usually not take phone calls because that was it.
• 44:49
  I, I was a single mom. I had my little girl.
• 44:52
  We were watching American Idol and I get this call and I
• 44:55
  normally would not have answered it but for some reason I did.
• 44:57
  I don't know if it was just a number I thought I knew or
• 45:00
  whatever. It was her and she asked me on
• 45:03
  the spot if I would channel for her the woman's address that her
• 45:07
  husband was cheating with Lila. Thinking back on this, what
• 45:12
  would she have done with that address?
• 45:14
  What was she going to do it? I tremble at the thought of what
• 45:20
  would the would they have been on a dateline address?
• 45:23
  But. Why can I hung up basically on
• 45:25
  her? But you could have given her the
• 45:27
  address. I could have channelled and
• 45:29
  attempted to giving, giving her that address.
• 45:32
  The devil is interesting, right? So again, remember, you're going
• 45:35
  to demons for readings. So they'll give some things.
• 45:39
  They won't give other things. Maybe they would have liked to
• 45:41
  have kept her in a state of chaos and anger and rage or what
• 45:45
  have you. Maybe they would have given the
• 45:47
  address so that she could have gone and beat the bloody, you
• 45:49
  know, business out of her. I don't know.
• 45:52
  Or something worse. That's where my mind goes.
• 45:54
  What would she plan? People get unhinged and they
• 45:57
  snap. So what was the sinister plan
• 46:00
  there, right? Do you think you mentioned
• 46:02
  earlier that it could just be that God is keeping the trying
• 46:05
  to not God? Excuse me?
• 46:06
  The devil is trying to keep the person away from God.
• 46:09
  So there's not like a, which is the most sinister thing the
• 46:12
  devil can do, of course, but it, it might look just like a
• 46:16
  lethargy where they're just not interested in the, the true God.
• 46:21
  They because they already think they know the true God or pieces
• 46:24
  of the true God and they're sort of comfortable or getting enough
• 46:27
  support, spiritual consolation as they perceive it in their
• 46:30
  daily life. So they're kind of thinking I
• 46:31
  don't need to go figure out this whole Christianity thing.
• 46:34
  Yeah, but if you're in that position, you're not all in.
• 46:39
  You've got 1 foot over, you know, you're drinking from the
• 46:41
  cup of the moon and the cup of demons, and that's extremely
• 46:44
  dangerous. And if you stay away from the
• 46:46
  word of God, why wouldn't you go to a psychic?
• 46:49
  You don't even know. You don't even know because you
• 46:51
  haven't read your word. You don't even know.
• 46:53
  You don't know. And there are churches,
• 46:55
  unfortunately, that we're seeing adopting practices like yoga or
• 46:58
  the Enneagram or New Age mindfulness or things like that.
• 47:03
  Oh, I've got to ask you about those things that those are
• 47:05
  those are obviously that is an interesting point because
• 47:08
  there's certainly things that have been used for the new age
• 47:10
  that there are Christians who think are are harmless.
• 47:12
  So I want to put a pin in that and come back to you because
• 47:15
  it's very interesting topic for you for your time practicing as
• 47:19
  a psychic. What at what point did you start
• 47:22
  to have any doubts about what you were doing?
• 47:24
  You mentioned you were scared at that one reading where the
• 47:27
  uncle, you know, the demon was pretending to be the uncle and
• 47:30
  the, you know, and shot the shot the the niece.
• 47:33
  But was there another moment where you felt afraid about what
• 47:37
  you were doing and who you were kind of giving access yourself
• 47:41
  access to? It's so interesting because I, I
• 47:45
  didn't get doubts at all actually.
• 47:47
  I just saw it as there was dark and there was light and that if
• 47:52
  I was seeing the darkness, if I was seeing the evil, if I was
• 47:56
  afraid, which I was a lot, I was afraid a lot.
• 48:00
  But I believed that I just needed to do more to protect
• 48:03
  myself. There was always a justification
• 48:05
  or a solution, a new age solution to it that I believed.
• 48:08
  And of course it was never a solution because it kept
• 48:10
  happening. And then I believed when I was
• 48:12
  doing the readings and it was like you mentioned before,
• 48:15
  grandma or grandpa, that that seemed good to me, that seemed
• 48:20
  right and that seemed helpful. So it just seemed to me that
• 48:23
  there were good spirits and bad spirits.
• 48:25
  So I actually didn't end up having doubts.
• 48:28
  I mean, this, this to this day blows my mind about my own
• 48:32
  testimony because I wasn't looking for Jesus.
• 48:34
  I wasn't looking for a new worldview.
• 48:36
  I wasn't looking for a change of philosophy or a change in my
• 48:40
  life. I was perfectly content with
• 48:42
  what I was doing. I wasn't content with the fear.
• 48:45
  I wasn't content with the anxiety.
• 48:47
  And that's another point, Lila, if you think about it, why the
• 48:50
  enemy tricks people through divination, love and light and
• 48:56
  all these other things, it's to get your soul away from Jesus
• 49:00
  Christ, get you away from the truth and taunt you and keep you
• 49:04
  in this hamster wheel and be demonically oppressed,
• 49:09
  demonically oppressed. There's your anxieties, there's
• 49:12
  your doubts, there's your sleep paralysis, there's your
• 49:14
  nightmares, there's your depressions that I'm not talking
• 49:17
  about, you know that people don't have illnesses.
• 49:19
  I'm talking about when it's demonically because there is a
• 49:22
  spiritual battle going on and these demons are influencing
• 49:26
  people, right? So that's the problem.
• 49:29
  And so when we talk about the church having some of these
• 49:31
  things, realize that when you go into these practices, you are
• 49:36
  opening a door. That's a phrase I use a lot.
• 49:41
  You know, when you think about Satan prowls around like an
• 49:44
  Angel of light. So what do you think about when
• 49:47
  you think about a prowler? I think about, I'm probably like
• 49:49
  so much older than you, but I think about like these old shows
• 49:53
  or movies in the 80s or 70s or whatever where the prowler comes
• 49:57
  around at night and he's coming around the home, right?
• 50:00
  And what's he looking for? He's looking for an entrance.
• 50:03
  He's looking for an entrance. He's looking for an unlocked
• 50:05
  door or a crack in the window, right?
• 50:08
  So when you practice yoga, when you go for a tarot card reading,
• 50:12
  even if you think it's entertainment, even if you think
• 50:14
  it's exercise, you're opening a door for the prowler.
• 50:18
  That's what you're doing. When you were practicing as a
• 50:20
  psychic, what was the Was there a moment where you got it wrong,
• 50:26
  Where you had the information wrong about your client and the
• 50:31
  devil didn't show up? Well, the devil always showed
• 50:36
  up, I have to say. So as far as getting something
• 50:38
  wrong, I don't remember. And all I can say is that my my
• 50:42
  whole business was word of mouth.
• 50:45
  Another thing is I don't operate well with technology.
• 50:48
  I'm extremely challenged. And at that time we didn't have
• 50:51
  social media. So there was no TikTok,
• 50:53
  Instagram, YouTube, There was none of that.
• 50:56
  Here's my card. You have your reading, you go
• 50:59
  tell your friend. They call me up, they tell their
• 51:01
  friend. So there was a decent amount of
• 51:05
  accuracy, I would say a very high rate of accuracy in those
• 51:08
  readings for people to keep coming.
• 51:10
  So if there was something that could have been off, it wouldn't
• 51:13
  have mattered. Did the demonic images like the
• 51:17
  holograms that you saw that were scary to you, Did those increase
• 51:20
  as you started to do more psychic medium readings?
• 51:23
  Yes, they they absolutely did and it was terrifying.
• 51:26
  I had a night where I sat up and I saw this.
• 51:31
  He looked like kind of this grim Reaper type of entity, right.
• 51:38
  He, you know what you would think of like the grim, like the
• 51:40
  black Hood and all this stuff and just looking at me.
• 51:44
  I'm looking at him. And then I just went back to
• 51:48
  bed. I laid back down.
• 51:49
  He went away, poof, gone. And I, I was afraid, but for
• 51:57
  some reason you would have thought that would have moved me
• 52:00
  to be like, why is this happening?
• 52:04
  Well, the the question, I'd rather the answer would always
• 52:08
  in my mind come back to me. OK, I just need to smudge this
• 52:12
  room tomorrow or I need to get, you know, some.
• 52:15
  What was it Tourmalina? Remember the whatever crystal I
• 52:19
  believed would protect me? Maybe I needed to go to a
• 52:23
  reading, maybe I needed to go for a healing, maybe I needed to
• 52:25
  go. Who knows?
• 52:26
  But the answer would always or the solution would always be
• 52:31
  reliant on myself. How many?
• 52:33
  Psychic readings do you think you've done in your life?
• 52:36
  Oh man, Oh gosh, so many. I don't know how to put a
• 52:41
  number. How many, roughly how many
• 52:43
  clients do you think you had, maybe maybe per year for the
• 52:46
  decade you were doing professional readings?
• 52:49
  I I mean it had to be hundreds if not thousands.
• 52:51
  I mean, it was so. Multiple a day.
• 52:54
  Multiple, multiple a day. Repeat.
• 52:58
  Not just repeat. Clients, phone sessions,
• 53:02
  automatic writings. I offered that as a service too.
• 53:05
  Like, hey, you don't have to come for a full reading if you
• 53:08
  don't want to. I do these automatic writings
• 53:10
  and, and listen, I wasn't a grifter.
• 53:12
  I wasn't a grifter. I mean, the thing was like 20
• 53:14
  bucks or whatever, but I was told that you have to charge
• 53:17
  money because it's an exchange of energy.
• 53:19
  So the, the currency, the money was the energy that they were
• 53:22
  giving me for me tapping into and using my energy.
• 53:26
  But let's say it was 20 bucks for the automatic writing.
• 53:28
  I just need your name. That's it.
• 53:30
  Or if you had a specific question, I could write the
• 53:31
  question down and then just start channelling same process.
• 53:34
  It's a reading on a piece of paper.
• 53:36
  So it, it was constant. And then, yeah, when you're
• 53:39
  thinking about the group readings, I had many, many
• 53:41
  groups with many people that would sit around the room.
• 53:43
  Whoever signed up for the group, it could be 1520 people at a
• 53:47
  clip. So it was lot.
• 53:49
  And then of course, the readings that I did for, you know, I
• 53:52
  ended up kind of like Avip in, in my little circle there and I
• 53:59
  hung out with the, you know, the Creme de la Creme of mediums on
• 54:03
  Long Island. We would read each other.
• 54:06
  We would have, we would be called in to do readings, you
• 54:09
  know, by the woman who led that group.
• 54:11
  So I did psychic fairs. I did one of those psychic
• 54:15
  fairs, which maybe some people laugh off, but you really
• 54:18
  shouldn't because it's real. It's real and people are
• 54:22
  sincerely going for help. Isn't that sad?
• 54:27
  Breaks my heart when I talk about this so.
• 54:29
  Thousands of people over over those years, you, you, you
• 54:33
  professionally, and I say professional, meaning you were,
• 54:35
  you know, it's a, it's a job. You know, you're like you said,
• 54:38
  exchanging energy, getting money from them, doing this in
• 54:39
  response. And so you're doing that for
• 54:41
  thousands and thousands of people.
• 54:43
  You mentioned sometimes it was scary, sometimes it wasn't
• 54:46
  scary. Was there a moment where you
• 54:50
  were surprised by what you encountered in that decade of
• 54:54
  doing these readings? Gosh, I don't think that I was
• 54:59
  really surprised. I was going to say maybe when I
• 55:02
  did the groups and I used to leave the groups and then I
• 55:04
  would see these demons manifest in the road.
• 55:09
  And I would say I go back to this because I could have been
• 55:12
  killed. I could have been killed because
• 55:13
  they really look like people. Like you think you see somebody
• 55:16
  in the road and you're driving down the highway 60 mph.
• 55:19
  If I had stopped because I thought I was going to hit a
• 55:22
  person, if somebody could have hit me, if they were behind me,
• 55:25
  right, and then I could have died, I would see them in the
• 55:27
  car with me. So, but I don't know that I
• 55:29
  still would have said surprised. And as far as information is
• 55:33
  concerned, I wouldn't have said that I was surprised by
• 55:35
  information because I got so used to when people would say
• 55:39
  yes, they understood the information coming through.
• 55:43
  For the psych from the psychic friends that you had, you said
• 55:46
  you were friends with the cream of the crop, other psychics in
• 55:49
  New York City. Did you guys swap stories?
• 55:53
  Did you have a particular, you know, kind of battle approach to
• 55:58
  this? Like we're in the trenches
• 55:59
  together to help the people of New York?
• 56:00
  What was your kind of relationship like with those
• 56:03
  other psychics? Yeah, really interesting.
• 56:04
  So not only would we read each other, but in particular, in
• 56:10
  particular this one, which I don't want to mention names, but
• 56:13
  I really, I really still love this person and pray that they
• 56:16
  would come to the Lord. I would call her in on things
• 56:21
  that were very disturbing for me just to see what her assessment
• 56:25
  was. I was.
• 56:26
  Like what's an example? So like I I was reading this
• 56:30
  woman and she wanted to bring her husband in on the readings
• 56:34
  and do some sort of spiritual, spiritual psychic, which is a
• 56:40
  thing. Counseling.
• 56:42
  I just made a video about this. Like, don't ever go to those
• 56:44
  people. It's not it's not don't do it.
• 56:46
  It's demonic intuitive counseling, this type of thing.
• 56:49
  OK, so where you're reading, you're meditating, leading them
• 56:51
  through guided meditation, channeling and seeing what the
• 56:55
  other side has to say about their situation.
• 56:59
  So this couple came and something seemed very and I know
• 57:02
  this sounds. How could this seem off to you,
• 57:04
  Jen? You were practicing evil.
• 57:05
  OK, I didn't know. But so something seems really
• 57:09
  off putting, specifically about the husband and when I would be
• 57:12
  leading them through guided meditation.
• 57:14
  I mean, sometimes I would be reading something, I print
• 57:17
  something out and I would look over and his eyes were open and
• 57:20
  he was looking at me and he actually proposed doing
• 57:24
  something so disgusting and perverted involving me and his
• 57:30
  wife. That's where I'm going to leave
• 57:32
  that. So I called my friend and I said
• 57:36
  I really don't feel comfortable being in the situation anymore,
• 57:39
  but I would like to get your assessment.
• 57:41
  Kind of like, what vibes are you going to pick up?
• 57:44
  So she came, she came and she assessed the situation, you
• 57:48
  know, psychically. And she said, Jen, I'm with you
• 57:50
  100%. Get rid of him.
• 57:53
  He's a creep. Creep and also, of course, which
• 57:57
  is again, it's so weird because it's so subjective.
• 58:00
  We really thought that we you were the boss of the spiritual
• 58:04
  realm, right That he. Was a bad spirit.
• 58:06
  Yeah, how interesting. That was bad, so we don't do
• 58:09
  that anymore. But I'm just going to put this
• 58:11
  out there, you know, perhaps he has tried things like that with
• 58:14
  other women and they went for it.
• 58:16
  Oh yeah, that. Was that couple involved and?
• 58:20
  I don't know. I mean because.
• 58:21
  That's a whole thing today, right?
• 58:22
  Polyamory is a whole thing. Swinger culture is a whole thing
• 58:27
  having, you know, in the queer world, having different these,
• 58:29
  you know, these different relationships, as they call
• 58:31
  them. And, you know, the people think
• 58:34
  that that's fun or, you know, life giving or part of their
• 58:36
  identity. And so, you know, I, I, I, I'm
• 58:40
  going to guess that, you know, Satan loves that, you know.
• 58:42
  Satan does love that. And there might be a, a
• 58:45
  spiritual, a layer that is put on it to kind of make it seem
• 58:49
  like this part of the divine, part of the supernatural.
• 58:53
  Yeah, I mean, that could have been his thing.
• 58:55
  But his wife wanted spiritual help.
• 58:58
  She was horrified, that whole situation, so I don't know what
• 59:03
  his end game really was with it, but he needed to go.
• 59:08
  And that wasn't so much love and light, was it?
• 59:10
  That was really disturbing, but it wasn't just that I was
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  already disturbed, it was all those other things.
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  It was, there was definitely, I would have said a bad vibe going
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  on there so. But it's so interesting.
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  You're saying there there was a bad vibe.
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  I mean, if it's Satan, it's Satan whether you feel it as a
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  bad vibe or not. Yeah.
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  And so what's curious to me is that in some of those cases,
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  Satan seemed to like allow the bad vibe to to he couldn't help
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  himself. It's like the bad vibe just
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  showed up as a bad vibe. And other times the bad it was
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  like they were more deceptive or sneaky about the vibe to make it
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  seem like a good vibe. 100% Well, he masquerades as an Angel
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  of light, so we need to remember that.
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  And like I said before, those different ranks of demons.
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  So sometimes, yeah, he's going to present as this helpful,
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  loving grandma who, you know, just adored you and knitted and
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  all these things. And other times some of his
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  demons are going to be bolder and more blatant.
• 1:00:05
  And I wonder also if it. Depends upon how depraved a
• 1:00:10
  person is. How many demons are they coming
• 1:00:12
  with? Is it possible that some of
• 1:00:15
  those people were even possessed people?
• 1:00:17
  I I don't know. All I know is that you're
• 1:00:19
  absolutely right. The half truths.
• 1:00:21
  And remember that he's the master of illusion.
• 1:00:26
  Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors the enemy.
• 1:00:30
  So he knows how to work something to his favor and
• 1:00:34
  manipulate. Was there a common theme that
• 1:00:37
  you saw in the people that were coming to over those thousands
• 1:00:40
  of people over the over that decade practicing as a psychic
• 1:00:43
  medium? You mentioned grief earlier.
• 1:00:45
  Yeah. What were some of the themes
• 1:00:47
  that you saw that drove people to want to come to see you?
• 1:00:50
  Yeah, other than grief. Wondering about when they were
• 1:00:53
  going to meet the love of their life, wondering if they would
• 1:00:55
  ever have children, wondering what job to take or what's going
• 1:01:00
  to happen to them. Decisions that were before them,
• 1:01:03
  future decisions that were before them that they didn't
• 1:01:06
  know what to do, but also wanted to know what the best thing to
• 1:01:11
  do. They didn't know what to do.
• 1:01:12
  They want the best outcome, What would be best for them.
• 1:01:15
  Will they be happy? Oh man, happy as a hamster
• 1:01:21
  wheel. They need joy.
• 1:01:23
  We need joy in Jesus. But who knew?
• 1:01:26
  You don't know until you know you're chasing happiness.
• 1:01:29
  You're always going to chase happiness unless or until you
• 1:01:32
  come to Christ. You said during this time you
• 1:01:35
  were a single mom and you had a little girl.
• 1:01:38
  What was that like raising a very young child?
• 1:01:40
  While you're actively seeing demons, you're seeing scary
• 1:01:43
  things. You're doing psychic greetings
• 1:01:44
  in your own home. Unfortunately, it prompted a lot
• 1:01:48
  of demonic oppression for my own child and also an opening to
• 1:01:54
  psychic communication for her as well.
• 1:01:56
  She shared things with me when she was five that she could
• 1:01:59
  never have known. I let her have something.
• 1:02:02
  Oh, the chakra colors. So chakras are a doctrine of
• 1:02:07
  demons. And what a chakra is in Sanskrit
• 1:02:11
  it means wheel. So the belief is that it's an
• 1:02:14
  energy wheel and that you have 7 primary chakras from the top of
• 1:02:17
  your head to the base of your spine and they have correlating
• 1:02:21
  colors. And one day Cara looked at me
• 1:02:23
  and said, Mommy, why do you have green?
• 1:02:26
  And she was like, point up my body and why do you have blue
• 1:02:29
  here? And why do you have you know
• 1:02:30
  what I and I was like, what, what?
• 1:02:33
  Wow, she's gifted. She's gifted.
• 1:02:38
  And yet all the other times that she was, she was loaded with
• 1:02:41
  anxiety, nightmares. And this was because of what I
• 1:02:45
  was doing in the home. I, I, like I said to you
• 1:02:49
  earlier, I raised her in a House of demons.
• 1:02:51
  I let her at some point have an Angel card, pull an Angel card
• 1:02:54
  for the day her and her little friend they wanted to do because
• 1:02:57
  her friend's mom was very much into this and we'd always be
• 1:03:00
  talking about it. We would even do some spells
• 1:03:02
  together. I would never have called myself
• 1:03:04
  a witch, of course, but I did very witchy things and the girls
• 1:03:10
  were wrapped up in this. I believed that I could heal my
• 1:03:12
  daughter with Reiki. I wouldn't have called myself, I
• 1:03:15
  never did any training for it, Reiki Master, but I just
• 1:03:18
  believed through energy and positive belief that I could
• 1:03:22
  heal my daughter when she was sick with sinus infections or
• 1:03:26
  stomach aches or nausea. And she was exposed to all of
• 1:03:33
  these ideas and beliefs and it made a lot of problems for her
• 1:03:36
  for a really long time. What, when you say she had
• 1:03:39
  nightmares, did she experience seeing demons, things like that?
• 1:03:42
  She's heard things all the time. She's she was afraid of Windows.
• 1:03:47
  She was. So the sense, if I may, is that
• 1:03:52
  there is something there watching you, but you can't put
• 1:03:54
  your finger on it. It's a sense that there's
• 1:03:57
  something around you, something watching you and you can't put
• 1:04:00
  your finger on. I know it's, it's not easy to
• 1:04:03
  talk about this, you know, because there are a lot of
• 1:04:05
  people that think it's fanatical or crazy.
• 1:04:08
  And I can assure you that it's not.
• 1:04:11
  I was truly like, there were moments when I was alone and I
• 1:04:14
  was truly afraid. And I say that I thought maybe I
• 1:04:17
  was afraid of something physical like a break in or something
• 1:04:20
  like that, but I wasn't looking, but I wasn't.
• 1:04:23
  I was always surrounded. I was surrounded by a multitude
• 1:04:27
  of demons. That's why I could give random
• 1:04:29
  readings when I was out and about.
• 1:04:30
  That's what they were always with me.
• 1:04:32
  They will always with me ready to go, ready to go, hovering.
• 1:04:37
  So you sense that, you feel that when you're in it.
• 1:04:41
  And that is what would happen with her as well.
• 1:04:44
  How did you leave the world of psychic mediumship, if you can
• 1:04:48
  call it that, and become a Christian?
• 1:04:50
  There was a moment that I I was so oppressed and I called on the
• 1:04:56
  name of Jesus Christ. I had no idea why I did that.
• 1:05:00
  I had no idea why I did that. I just.
• 1:05:02
  Had a rock bottom moment. It was a moment, yes.
• 1:05:07
  It was a moment of truly near destruction, truly near and, and
• 1:05:11
  right prior to that remind you, I was leading my own divination
• 1:05:15
  class, doing my readings, happy as ever with that, with that
• 1:05:19
  part, doing those things, being a part of those groups.
• 1:05:23
  And then you have this other part of it that I was exposed
• 1:05:26
  to, of course, that the truth of it in a sense, right, which I do
• 1:05:29
  believe at that time was God's common grace to reveal to me the
• 1:05:33
  truth of the evil, that there was evil, that there was
• 1:05:35
  darkness, because some New Agers don't even believe that.
• 1:05:39
  I digress. So I have this moment of near
• 1:05:42
  destruction and I call and cry on the name of Jesus Christ and
• 1:05:47
  had no idea why I did it, but this peace came over me
• 1:05:52
  instantaneously. So you take from one second in
• 1:05:56
  extreme anguish and the next second in a piece that I never
• 1:06:01
  felt in my entire life. I knew that day something
• 1:06:05
  happened. I knew something happened, and
• 1:06:09
  this Jesus was a part of it. All right, don't start me.
• 1:06:12
  Where's the Kleenex? But I didn't know the gospel.
• 1:06:17
  I didn't know I was a Sinner who needed a savior.
• 1:06:20
  I didn't know that Jesus died for my sin, that he was buried
• 1:06:24
  and raised the third day, and I needed to put my faith and trust
• 1:06:27
  in Him. I didn't know that.
• 1:06:30
  So I call myself at that time spiritually vulnerable because
• 1:06:35
  something big just put a shift in the situation.
• 1:06:40
  I didn't want to be a psychic anymore.
• 1:06:42
  Now I'm like taking you to the next week, let's say over the
• 1:06:45
  course of the next few days. Why?
• 1:06:47
  Why? Because I think some psychics
• 1:06:49
  and and that new age world, they think, Oh, Jesus is great too.
• 1:06:53
  They do that. They do they kind of make it all
• 1:06:55
  the same. So, but you had this, this
• 1:06:57
  moment of spiritual clarity as a gift from God.
• 1:07:00
  You call it God's common grace. Yeah.
• 1:07:02
  To know that you know Jesus is God and I can't do this anymore.
• 1:07:07
  Yeah, I, well, no, not even that.
• 1:07:10
  I just didn't want. This was God moving, and it's an
• 1:07:13
  interesting revelation. Later on, I I'll share how it
• 1:07:16
  kind of comes together. I just didn't want to do it, but
• 1:07:20
  I didn't know why. No idea.
• 1:07:22
  Full stop. No, don't do it.
• 1:07:25
  OK, but. I don't know what desire for.
• 1:07:27
  It I lost the desire for it, didn't know why, didn't know
• 1:07:30
  what was happening. Who am I?
• 1:07:33
  What do I do now? What is all of this all about?
• 1:07:36
  I don't know what to do. So I went to the library and I
• 1:07:39
  started looking for books to explain the spiritual phenomenon
• 1:07:43
  that I was going through. OK, and this is where it's kind
• 1:07:47
  of like the devil didn't want to lose his grip on me.
• 1:07:50
  I end up getting a book that was like Betty eating, embracing the
• 1:07:55
  light or something like that, where it's about this near death
• 1:07:58
  experience and she was mixing all this stuff up and it sounded
• 1:08:04
  kind of good. It sounded like there is a
• 1:08:06
  heaven and there is always A and I'm reading that.
• 1:08:09
  I'm like, OK, but really it turns out unfortunately, and
• 1:08:12
  don't quote me please, but I'm pretty sure even to today that
• 1:08:15
  that that Lady believed in reincarnation and some other
• 1:08:18
  things. So it wasn't, you know, it
• 1:08:20
  wasn't legit. It wasn't where we needed to be
• 1:08:23
  and I actually even went back into the beauty business.
• 1:08:27
  I would not do the readings. I went back.
• 1:08:29
  I took a job doing nails or something.
• 1:08:32
  I'm so sorry to interrupt, but did you think that the readings
• 1:08:34
  were immoral at this time or you just didn't desire to do them?
• 1:08:37
  I didn't desire to do them and after that feeling I I this is
• 1:08:43
  one thing I did think to myself. I had a reading with a famous
• 1:08:50
  medium there on Long Island. We, we were in the same circle
• 1:08:55
  with the same people. And I'm and I remembered that
• 1:08:58
  she told me something that I don't want to share, but that
• 1:09:01
  she told me something that would never come to pass, that I
• 1:09:07
  believed in and I was holding on to and that would never come to
• 1:09:11
  pass. Prophecy, right?
• 1:09:13
  Counterfeit prophecy. And that just for, as you were
• 1:09:16
  saying earlier, the devil can't prophecies because he does not
• 1:09:18
  know the future. That's right.
• 1:09:19
  Which is such a relief. Yes, it's just thank.
• 1:09:22
  God. That God is God.
• 1:09:23
  Yeah, yeah. And it was, yeah, counterfeit
• 1:09:26
  prophecy. But there was no way it could
• 1:09:30
  have happened. There was no way it could have
• 1:09:32
  happened. And that stopped me in my
• 1:09:34
  tracks. But again, it was kind of like,
• 1:09:37
  well, but then what? And I was just filled with
• 1:09:40
  questions. So it sounds like Satan kind of
• 1:09:42
  showed his hand too much. Yeah, he made a mistake.
• 1:09:44
  Yeah. God allowed you to see the
• 1:09:46
  mistake that wait, that doesn't make sense anymore, right?
• 1:09:50
  This other stuff made sense. There was so clearly something
• 1:09:52
  supernatural or preternatural going around there, but this
• 1:09:56
  part doesn't make sense, right? And and and was you calling on
• 1:10:00
  the name of Jesus at that moment of, you know, that low, low
• 1:10:03
  point for you? Are you saying you lost the
• 1:10:05
  desire for the, you know, continuing as a as a medium
• 1:10:11
  after you called in the name of Jesus?
• 1:10:12
  It's like you. It's like you profess the name
• 1:10:14
  of Jesus in your heart as best you could.
• 1:10:17
  Didn't foolish understand what it meant, But you just wanted
• 1:10:19
  you needed help. Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  And then you started to see the events of your life change.
• 1:10:24
  I did and it's, but it's interesting because I didn't
• 1:10:27
  know. It wasn't as if I was looking
• 1:10:30
  for I should say I wasn't calling out to Jesus in that
• 1:10:36
  moment because I had that because it was a quick, it was a
• 1:10:39
  second. So it wasn't like, Gee, who can
• 1:10:41
  I call on? Who can, who can help me?
• 1:10:44
  What's the right answer? What would like the world say?
• 1:10:48
  What would a religious person say?
• 1:10:49
  Like who do I call upon now? No, it just God just moved me to
• 1:10:54
  do it. So it was in such a quick.
• 1:10:56
  It was a second. So it wasn't even there was no
• 1:10:59
  contemplation is what where I'm what I'm trying to say.
• 1:11:03
  Life events absolutely started to change after I called on his
• 1:11:07
  name. I went back to the readings.
• 1:11:11
  I fell into the did I fall into the temptation?
• 1:11:15
  Or was it just that the devil just he just didn't want to let
• 1:11:18
  me go? And why not?
• 1:11:20
  I was his pawn for so many years.
• 1:11:21
  That's what it is. He was using me only to throw me
• 1:11:24
  in the garbage eventually, right?
• 1:11:26
  So I was his pawn. Now I'm starting to go in this
• 1:11:29
  different. It's getting like, where's she
• 1:11:32
  going? And I did, I went back to the
• 1:11:34
  readings, but I changed things and I mentioned the I mentioned
• 1:11:37
  God and I said, I started doing these readings again and I would
• 1:11:41
  do my little intro for the client, right?
• 1:11:44
  So in the intro it would just be kind of how the process went
• 1:11:47
  again, don't say anything. And then I said, I just want to
• 1:11:51
  let you know though, I'm not God.
• 1:11:54
  Wow, why was I talking about God all of a sudden?
• 1:11:57
  Why was I? Why was I putting him in the
• 1:12:00
  right place too? That he's above all.
• 1:12:03
  It was just like a grace, yeah, that you received, it sounds
• 1:12:06
  like. It yeah, it was.
• 1:12:08
  It was just, yeah, the grace again.
• 1:12:10
  But thank the Lord that didn't go on for much longer.
• 1:12:14
  I mean, Jesus wasn't going to leave me there.
• 1:12:16
  Jesus already knew that I would be his child.
• 1:12:19
  You know, he wasn't going to leave me there.
• 1:12:20
  But it had to be in such a way, I guess, because maybe I'm a
• 1:12:25
  stubborn Italian weirdo, but God knows our hearts and I, I was
• 1:12:31
  doing the readings. You didn't even ask me this.
• 1:12:33
  I don't know if you want me to go down this road yet, but.
• 1:12:37
  Please, I'd love to hear, yeah, how you went from the the sort
• 1:12:41
  of rock bottom to calling it to Jesus.
• 1:12:44
  Now your life. I mean, here you are in a whole
• 1:12:46
  ministry exposing this, this world of ultimately that it's
• 1:12:50
  dark, that is, that Satan is leading.
• 1:12:52
  So I'd love to hear how did that happen.
• 1:12:55
  Yeah, And I really pray this encourages your listeners and
• 1:12:58
  your audience because no matter what you've done and no matter
• 1:13:01
  where you've been, our Lord Jesus, oh, man, it's hard, can
• 1:13:05
  rescue you. And a woman that I hadn't seen,
• 1:13:10
  her name is Beth. I met her in the divination
• 1:13:12
  group. We became very, very good
• 1:13:14
  friends. Very.
• 1:13:15
  We were friends for years, became friends from that group.
• 1:13:18
  But we we were very close. I hadn't seen her in a long
• 1:13:21
  time. It's like one of those friends
• 1:13:22
  where maybe you don't talk that often.
• 1:13:25
  Life happens, but you pick up the phone.
• 1:13:26
  It's like just yesterday that you spoke and we had a dinner
• 1:13:30
  date and trust me, I could have canceled that date for a million
• 1:13:36
  reasons, but I knew I had to keep that date.
• 1:13:40
  And she came and she starts telling me about Jesus Christ
• 1:13:44
  death. Like wait a minute, in between
• 1:13:47
  the last time I had seen her and this time she had been saved.
• 1:13:50
  She had been saved. She is now a Christian.
• 1:13:53
  She is no longer a new Ager. She is no longer any of that.
• 1:13:56
  I had no idea. So she starts talking to me
• 1:13:59
  about Jesus and about this church that she started
• 1:14:02
  intending on Long Island and hey, Jen, why don't you come
• 1:14:05
  with me this Sunday? I looked her square in the face
• 1:14:07
  and I said no thank you, I'm good.
• 1:14:12
  Can't explain it. Was this like just this
• 1:14:15
  spiritual? I don't even want just tension
• 1:14:19
  like this push and pull. I don't know what was going on,
• 1:14:22
  Lila, but I said no. But a month later I woke up on
• 1:14:26
  Sunday and I said I want to go to that church today, but I I
• 1:14:33
  don't know why. Just like I didn't want to do
• 1:14:36
  the readings anymore, but I didn't know why.
• 1:14:38
  I told God that was the day I truly accepted Jesus Christ as
• 1:14:42
  my Lord and Savior because I went to that church and I sang
• 1:14:48
  with the congregation and the lyric Jesus saved me and I sang
• 1:14:53
  it out loud and I flashed back to that moment months prior.
• 1:14:57
  This was a 10 month at least process to when I called on his
• 1:15:01
  name and it was as if he was standing right there saying,
• 1:15:04
  Jen, that was me, I love you and you're free.
• 1:15:10
  And I believed in him in my heart and I confessed with my
• 1:15:13
  mouth that he is Lord and that he is my Lord and my Savior.
• 1:15:18
  I need him, I want him. He died for me.
• 1:15:21
  And that the tears started flowing and it was like, if you
• 1:15:25
  could imagine, like these shackles just falling off my
• 1:15:28
  ankles. I'm sorry I'm such a crybaby.
• 1:15:31
  And the freedom is almost undescribable and the gravity of
• 1:15:39
  my salvation because I was hell bound.
• 1:15:43
  I was hell bound and had I died. I've been through a lot of weird
• 1:15:47
  near deathy things in my life was died from a chestnut when I
• 1:15:51
  was 16. I had anorexia.
• 1:15:54
  I I've had a lot of those moments.
• 1:15:56
  Lila had I died any of those times I was going to hell in my
• 1:16:01
  sin, but the Lord Jesus in his grace and compassion chose to
• 1:16:05
  rescue me and save me. Mind blown.
• 1:16:09
  Gratitude, tears, freedom, and you know how the Holy Spirit
• 1:16:14
  does it. I went home from that church and
• 1:16:16
  the first thing the Holy Spirit prompted me to do was go to the
• 1:16:21
  Word of God that I never cared about and find out what He says
• 1:16:27
  about my job. What does He say about psychic
• 1:16:30
  mediums? And that was the day, the true
• 1:16:33
  light of the world, Jesus Christ, not the fake light
• 1:16:36
  anymore, not the love and light, not the new way.
• 1:16:38
  The true light illuminated the truth for me and when I read
• 1:16:43
  Deuteronomy, I just googled it. I didn't have a Bible on how he
• 1:16:46
  googled it. What does the Bible say about
• 1:16:48
  psychic mediums and that Deuteronomy 18, which with all
• 1:16:53
  that you do, I know this will hit home for you as well.
• 1:16:55
  Deuteronomy 18-9 to 13. When you enter the land the Lord
• 1:16:58
  your God has given you, do not imitate the practices of the
• 1:17:01
  people there. Do not offer your son or your
• 1:17:03
  daughter as a sacrifice. What people do today, it's the
• 1:17:06
  same that's been going on for ages.
• 1:17:09
  Do not see mediums, spiritists, practice necromancy, go to
• 1:17:14
  fortune tellers, Do not consult or practice.
• 1:17:16
  It is an abomination and detestable to the Lord, and the
• 1:17:20
  person doing it is detestable to the Lord.
• 1:17:23
  And I read that and I felt so sorry because that was me.
• 1:17:30
  He was talking to me. I didn't know how that works.
• 1:17:32
  You know, Of course it's God speaking to us through his word,
• 1:17:35
  but he's talking to me. OK?
• 1:17:39
  It was like open bibleinfo.com. They were like 100 verses and
• 1:17:43
  I'm saying, Oh my goodness, look at verse after verse after verse
• 1:17:47
  and all of this, all of a sudden this had meaning to me through
• 1:17:50
  the Holy Spirit. I couldn't have explained a lick
• 1:17:52
  of this to you an hour prior to to going right and being saved
• 1:17:57
  and pick up your cross and follow me.
• 1:18:01
  Jesus says, and I knew that day that's exactly what I was going
• 1:18:05
  to do when I needed to quit my job and I was going to take
• 1:18:07
  whatever I had to take for the rest of my life because I have
• 1:18:10
  life eternal now with our Lord Jesus.
• 1:18:14
  And I knew I had to quit my job. And this was, you know, week 1.
• 1:18:19
  It's like, yay, quit my job, made an appointment with the
• 1:18:23
  pastor of the church. I told him, I said, hey, listen,
• 1:18:26
  this is what I've been doing. And he said to me very kindly,
• 1:18:30
  with a lot of love, Well, I'm not, I don't pay your bills.
• 1:18:36
  Would I be a horrible pastor if I told you to continue what you
• 1:18:40
  were doing? I said, the decision's already
• 1:18:42
  been made. What?
• 1:18:43
  Now, you know, and I came to that part where I know the enemy
• 1:18:49
  definitely wanted to stir some anxiety, like, hey, Jen, you're
• 1:18:53
  the breadwinner. This is your job.
• 1:18:54
  Like this was now what? No, I've got the Lord.
• 1:18:59
  I'm not going to say it wasn't, you know, hard, hard.
• 1:19:04
  And I always say the people that are on the cusp of that, there
• 1:19:07
  are many people that have had an encounter, but they're afraid
• 1:19:11
  because it was their livelihood. They're afraid.
• 1:19:14
  There's nothing to fear when you come to Christ Jesus.
• 1:19:17
  Our Lord is the provider of providers.
• 1:19:20
  We just have to place our faith and trust in Him.
• 1:19:23
  And that is exactly what I did. OK, I'm trusting in you, Lord.
• 1:19:26
  What next? Well, you know what was next.
• 1:19:27
  Our God is a God of order. What next was working on my
• 1:19:31
  daughter's heart. I thought it was me and a job.
• 1:19:34
  Oh, it wasn't that because I called Liberty University,
• 1:19:36
  because I'm thinking, hey, what can I do now?
• 1:19:39
  And I heard that they had an Academy for kids, you know, and
• 1:19:43
  we're going back. Or was your daughter at this
• 1:19:46
  point? She was in 7th grade, so around
• 1:19:48
  13. She was still little.
• 1:19:49
  She was still little and now having a lot of problems, a lot
• 1:19:54
  of problems, a lot of anxiety. And I hear this thing about
• 1:19:59
  Liberty Academy. I'm like, OK, well, now I know
• 1:20:02
  how to pray too. I'm praying, right?
• 1:20:03
  Praying about this situation. Lila.
• 1:20:06
  I had the exact amount of money to the dime.
• 1:20:08
  That was all I had in the savings for Liberty for, for
• 1:20:12
  that term or whatever it was. It was like the second-half of
• 1:20:14
  the year. So it was just the right amount
• 1:20:17
  of money. Just that timing.
• 1:20:19
  I got her out of public school at that time because she was in
• 1:20:22
  a bad way. And it is no doubt in my mind
• 1:20:25
  because of all the demonic oppression.
• 1:20:28
  And I put her in there, but because now she's got mom who
• 1:20:31
  loves Jesus, mom the Christian, it's not mom the psychic
• 1:20:34
  anymore. There's no more spirit guide to
• 1:20:35
  talk about. There's no more cards.
• 1:20:37
  There's none of that. I got rid of it.
• 1:20:38
  I Acts 1919, all that stuff she was struggling to understand and
• 1:20:44
  deal and, and all the things. And so here was liberty and she
• 1:20:48
  went on and they had to take a Bible class.
• 1:20:52
  It was mandatory, like Bible one O 1 or whatever it was.
• 1:20:56
  And she loved it. She absolutely loved it.
• 1:20:59
  And she would start having conversations with me and I left
• 1:21:02
  that, I left that there. She stayed there until like 11th
• 1:21:06
  grade, ended up going into public school, met one of her
• 1:21:09
  closest friends now who is now going to church, and my daughter
• 1:21:13
  recently has started a full walk with the Lord.
• 1:21:16
  Beautiful. Yeah, How beautiful.
• 1:21:18
  Amazing What? What has the Lord's provision
• 1:21:21
  looked like in your life? And I am asking this too,
• 1:21:23
  because we've had on the show already, like just so many
• 1:21:26
  incredible stories. Yours is so beautiful and so
• 1:21:30
  inspiring. And I hear this common theme of
• 1:21:33
  people who are leaving behind anything about Nala Ray as an
• 1:21:36
  example, or Brittany de la Mora. And, you know, different stories
• 1:21:39
  than yours, obviously, but they left behind work in the porn
• 1:21:43
  industry ultimately. And they talked about really it
• 1:21:45
  was tough because financially this supported them that this is
• 1:21:49
  how they made their money, right?
• 1:21:50
  So when you quit, that money stops.
• 1:21:52
  And you know, you had this, you know, profession as a psychic
• 1:21:55
  medium. This is how you supported
• 1:21:57
  yourself and your very young daughter.
• 1:21:59
  And So what did the Lord's provision look like in your
• 1:22:01
  life? Financially, of course,
• 1:22:04
  emotionally and spiritually. After you said no more I, I
• 1:22:08
  reject Satan and all his works and now I want to follow Jesus.
• 1:22:11
  Yeah, this was huge for me, especially emotionally and
• 1:22:14
  spiritually because after I was saved, I ended up going through
• 1:22:19
  some tough losses, some very traumatic situations, and going
• 1:22:24
  to the Lord in prayer. Lila was game changer for me,
• 1:22:28
  game changer for me, knowing that I could come to the Lord
• 1:22:32
  and that I didn't have to try and control anything.
• 1:22:35
  I never had control anyway, but I didn't have to take that upon
• 1:22:39
  myself, that I could bring this to the Lord and wait on Him for
• 1:22:44
  guidance and for peace. But peace was there all the time
• 1:22:48
  anyway. No matter what I was going
• 1:22:51
  through, the Lord would pick me up and I could go out there and
• 1:22:54
  you could see me smiling despite what was going on.
• 1:22:57
  I couldn't do that in the past. So I had the peace of the Lord.
• 1:23:01
  I had rejoicing. He brought me into ministry in
• 1:23:06
  2020 and I wrote my first book at all around the same time.
• 1:23:10
  I hate technology. I'm not good with it.
• 1:23:12
  I already mentioned that I'm extremely challenged and yet the
• 1:23:14
  Lord with his sense of humor, he like I think it, I think because
• 1:23:18
  it points that much more to who he is when he takes people that
• 1:23:22
  are ill equipped and then he equips us to do something.
• 1:23:26
  And the weak to shame the strong.
• 1:23:27
  Yeah, And so he brought me to TikTok of all places in 2020.
• 1:23:32
  And I was making like these cutesy little pet videos because
• 1:23:35
  I thought it was cute and other people.
• 1:23:37
  And then one day it's like, no, no, no, we're done with that.
• 1:23:40
  You're dungeon. Start reading the Bible, start
• 1:23:43
  praying for people and share your testimony.
• 1:23:47
  And that's what I started to do. And then I started to do these
• 1:23:49
  lives as you, you probably know everybody in social media knows
• 1:23:52
  doing like a TikTok live and things.
• 1:23:54
  And I started to do it consistently.
• 1:23:58
  And people had so many questions and there were so many people
• 1:24:03
  that didn't know what these things were or why they were
• 1:24:06
  unbiblical or why they were unholy.
• 1:24:09
  And then there were people that were dealing with a lot of
• 1:24:11
  spiritual oppression, demonic oppression and saying, hey, what
• 1:24:15
  can I do? And all this.
• 1:24:17
  And I was in there. I was in there and TikTok AKA
• 1:24:21
  witch talk is, is the trenches. It's really the trenches.
• 1:24:26
  And I went through a lot. I was my first account, ended up
• 1:24:30
  something like I got to like 33,000 Subs, got shadow banned
• 1:24:35
  because I posted a Ben Shapiro, a couple of Ben Shapiro's talks
• 1:24:38
  about transgenderism and I got the boot in a very big way.
• 1:24:43
  And I said, God, I'm tired. That took a lot to get to this
• 1:24:48
  point. I took a little break.
• 1:24:50
  God gave me a month off. You know, you're coming back.
• 1:24:53
  We're going back in there. I said, Lord, this is your page,
• 1:24:56
  this is your ministry. This is all yours.
• 1:25:00
  You lead it, you guide it and I'll follow.
• 1:25:03
  That's it. I always say yes to God and let
• 1:25:05
  me tell you something, he did, they did, he led me.
• 1:25:08
  He, he gave me compassion towards a bigger compassion
• 1:25:15
  towards the lost. And so even when I was doing the
• 1:25:18
  lives because listen, pride month, they just saw I was a
• 1:25:21
  Christian. I was already like 400 people
• 1:25:23
  would come in. Hey, hey, listen, I'm talking
• 1:25:26
  about divination over here, you know, but you go through a lot
• 1:25:30
  when you put yourself out there and it's easy to be impulsive
• 1:25:36
  and react on the flesh. And we can't do that because we
• 1:25:38
  have the love of Christ. And the Lord grew me in so many
• 1:25:41
  ways that I just, hey, I was once lost to man.
• 1:25:44
  Like I get it, you know, I get it.
• 1:25:47
  But let's just talk about truth and then whatever it is.
• 1:25:50
  And I just pray plants a seed and I pray you listen.
• 1:25:53
  And I did the first book from psychic to Saved in 2020.
• 1:25:58
  Then I did the next book out of the new age and into the truth.
• 1:26:01
  I'm so excited about the next book.
• 1:26:03
  So before I get there, I ended up doing some interviews.
• 1:26:08
  I ended up going over to Instagram, YouTube, these places
• 1:26:13
  and I still hardly knew what I was doing, but just little by
• 1:26:17
  little, I'm kind of like, what is the turtle?
• 1:26:18
  I'm the turtle. And the thing I'm I go slow like
• 1:26:21
  these little things, but God just keeps opening doors, making
• 1:26:25
  it happening. Bring he's the connector of
• 1:26:28
  connectors, bringing brothers and sisters in Christ to lean
• 1:26:32
  lean on and ask questions and help and support and and all of
• 1:26:36
  our ministries exposing divination.
• 1:26:40
  God's just been bringing all because this is for the people.
• 1:26:44
  This is to win souls. Have you had people who maybe
• 1:26:48
  even used to go to you as a psychic?
• 1:26:52
  Has anyone come to you or people that used to know you and and
• 1:26:55
  been moved by your conversion? Well, OK, I have two quick
• 1:27:00
  stories about that I had like this VIP client, I call her that
• 1:27:05
  because she was constantly what constant and she was like
• 1:27:09
  special and it could be on the drop of a dime if she called.
• 1:27:12
  I gave her a reading whatever. She gave me the opportunity
• 1:27:16
  after I was saved to come spend the day with her, share the
• 1:27:19
  truth, share the gospel, even talk about the Bible to you know
• 1:27:24
  the whole thing, right? She unfortunately is still in
• 1:27:30
  divination. However, there was another
• 1:27:33
  woman. This was very recent actually.
• 1:27:35
  I get a text message and the message is something like, is
• 1:27:39
  this Jennifer's phone number? And I'm like, and I'm like, yes.
• 1:27:43
  And she goes, oh, hey, listen, I just found the paper because
• 1:27:45
  whenever I did the channeling on the paper, when I did a reading,
• 1:27:48
  I would give that paper to the client that was theirs.
• 1:27:50
  So if they could remember maybe what was said or what have you.
• 1:27:54
  And she said my name is so and so I had a reading with you X
• 1:27:58
  amount of years ago. I just found the paper.
• 1:27:59
  I was wondering if I could come in and I'm like, Oh my goodness.
• 1:28:05
  OK, thank you, Lord Jesus. I said, do you have a moment to
• 1:28:08
  talk on the phone? Yes, absolutely.
• 1:28:11
  OK, I'm running up the stairs. I'm so excited I get to share
• 1:28:15
  the truth with this person and I'm just overjoyed, right.
• 1:28:19
  And so I do. I start telling her and she's
• 1:28:23
  she was kind of, you know, in between, you know, talking about
• 1:28:27
  reincarnation, but Jesus and we can't we can't mix those things
• 1:28:32
  together. It doesn't work that way.
• 1:28:35
  And again, this was somebody who lost her daughter and her
• 1:28:37
  daughter was a grown up when she died.
• 1:28:39
  And so it was very hard for her. And I understand that She let me
• 1:28:44
  talk and talk and talk and we shared and every and I listened
• 1:28:48
  to her. I listened to her with a heart
• 1:28:52
  filled with love and grace. Yet I would come back.
• 1:28:55
  You know, I think about Jesus in the desert with the devil.
• 1:28:58
  What did Jesus do? He kept going back to the word
• 1:29:00
  of God. It is written so she would give
• 1:29:02
  me her reincarnation, you know, belief and I would come back.
• 1:29:09
  But the Lord says in his word were appointed to die once and
• 1:29:11
  then be judged. But God says this because and I
• 1:29:14
  would just let the word of God because that's such.
• 1:29:16
  It's not Jen's opinion. This is not, you know, people
• 1:29:20
  don't have an issue with us, They have an issue with the
• 1:29:24
  Lord. The world hates, the world is
• 1:29:27
  run by the devil, right? And so that's the spiritual.
• 1:29:30
  But we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against
• 1:29:33
  principalities, authorities, cosmic powers and darkness in
• 1:29:36
  the heavenly places. So that's all I can say on that.
• 1:29:40
  It would be awesome if there was anybody who I read that, you
• 1:29:44
  know, that'd be great. You've had a lot of people
• 1:29:45
  though, reach out to you that are learning about the dangers
• 1:29:50
  of this for the first time, or realizing it, and you're giving
• 1:29:52
  them the moral clarity they need as a gift from God to reject it.
• 1:29:57
  Yes, I have. I have received many, many
• 1:29:59
  encouraging messages that are just, they just blow my mind and
• 1:30:04
  I'm so happy to be a part of God's Kingdom now.
• 1:30:08
  What's your favorite One of your favorite messages you've
• 1:30:11
  received about how your ministry exec saved your podcast, all of
• 1:30:15
  your social media, your books has helped people?
• 1:30:17
  You know what some of my favorite messages are the people
• 1:30:20
  that actually were disgruntled to start.
• 1:30:23
  I was very mad at you. I I was very nasty to you.
• 1:30:26
  I was very mean to you a year ago.
• 1:30:28
  I won't, I don't even remember. And, and it's not because
• 1:30:31
  they're not memorable. It's just of, you know, talking
• 1:30:34
  to so many people and everything, but but now I
• 1:30:38
  realize that I'm watching your videos and I and I burned the
• 1:30:41
  tarot cards. I left the new age I and I'm,
• 1:30:44
  I'm just in awe and so many people saying to me, I didn't
• 1:30:48
  realize that was it. Now I do.
• 1:30:50
  Thank you, Jen, thank you for and my answer to all glory to
• 1:30:53
  God, all glory to God and people just talking about their
• 1:30:58
  children and what they're into and they're and they're writing
• 1:31:00
  just for Hey, how can I, what can I do?
• 1:31:04
  My daughter just did this or my son just did that and I'm like,
• 1:31:07
  don't give up hope. I was 37 years old.
• 1:31:11
  Don't give up hope ever. But yeah, I get I those are some
• 1:31:15
  great, really great. There's, there's, there's a lot
• 1:31:20
  you know. So to to remember them verbatim
• 1:31:22
  is difficult, but that's the general.
• 1:31:25
  Do you feel that, you know, God pulling you out of this and now
• 1:31:28
  the ministry that you're in, you're writing your third book
• 1:31:30
  now. What's the name of your third
• 1:31:32
  book? Do you have it yet?
• 1:31:32
  So no, my main title is Tentative, but yeah, it's a next
• 1:31:37
  psychics journey will be like the bottom the subtitle.
• 1:31:40
  OK, but it's about your yeah journey as your first two books
• 1:31:44
  were but a different aspect of your journey.
• 1:31:46
  It's totally different because the beginning of each chapter is
• 1:31:49
  going to be a is a vignette or an experience.
• 1:31:52
  So let's take the when I was 13 with the tarot cards.
• 1:31:55
  And then second part of the chapter is going to be exactly
• 1:31:57
  what my ministry does, explaining, teaching, educating
• 1:32:00
  and warning about that tool of divination about tarot cards and
• 1:32:06
  giving biblical basis for my arguments on that.
• 1:32:10
  So I pray that it would help to explain for the person reading
• 1:32:14
  it. And I pray that and it's
• 1:32:16
  directed at believers and unbelievers, a very helpful
• 1:32:19
  tool. I pray for the church as well
• 1:32:22
  that is unsure about what these things are.
• 1:32:25
  So I am very, I am very super excited about that.
• 1:32:28
  The official release date is October 1st.
• 1:32:31
  It's already on pre-order on Amazon.
• 1:32:33
  Beautiful, but I'm excited. What do you think looking at the
• 1:32:37
  larger culture today and just the rise and I would say people
• 1:32:41
  dabbling in the occult, you know, like you said, even on
• 1:32:43
  Snapchat, you get to pick your, you know, your, your sign.
• 1:32:47
  And then, you know, I was looking at, I downloaded an app
• 1:32:49
  the other day for moms just to kind of see what's out there.
• 1:32:53
  And you get to pick, oh, are you interested in other moms who
• 1:32:55
  like crystals or, you know, just like whatever, just crazy stuff
• 1:32:59
  or into your Zodiac signs, whatever.
• 1:33:01
  It's just so it's everywhere, right?
• 1:33:02
  You walk into a cute little boutique and you're going to see
• 1:33:04
  the like, you know, the Angel cards, you're going to see the
• 1:33:07
  tarot cards, you're going to see the stuff.
• 1:33:08
  It's everywhere. At the same time, there's
• 1:33:12
  reports that especially Gen. Z is increasingly becoming
• 1:33:15
  Christian. More people than ever are coming
• 1:33:17
  back into the faith. I mean, you're seeing also this
• 1:33:20
  other counter movement. Do you see that yourself, that
• 1:33:24
  there's a obviously a war going on, but that there are more
• 1:33:27
  people now rejecting the new age because they're learning the
• 1:33:29
  truth? Interesting.
• 1:33:31
  I mean, I think there is that kind of in a sense that tug of
• 1:33:34
  war, like we are seeing an explosion of conversion, yet we
• 1:33:37
  are also seeing an explosion in the demonic many people that are
• 1:33:41
  holding on tightly to it. And especially in that range.
• 1:33:45
  You know, your social media age range between TikTok, Instagram,
• 1:33:50
  YouTube, Netflix is, you know, a huge promoter of the new age and
• 1:33:57
  you're seeing it in the things that they watch the movies that
• 1:34:00
  they watch. You're seeing it in regular
• 1:34:02
  shows. I, I did a podcast episode about
• 1:34:05
  Cobra Kai and I mean, listen, 80s kid here, Karate Kid loved
• 1:34:10
  it. Why do you have to bring the
• 1:34:11
  Ouija board into it? Why do you have to bring tarot
• 1:34:13
  cards and crystals into it? So now it's just like, I love
• 1:34:17
  this show. I'm watching this show.
• 1:34:18
  Oh, here, let me expose you to some divination and make it look
• 1:34:22
  OK. And blind date, which is just a
• 1:34:27
  repeat offender of so many things.
• 1:34:29
  You know, as nice as I can be about this, but astrology is
• 1:34:35
  huge in that entire show and this last season, whatever it
• 1:34:40
  was season 8, it was really blatant.
• 1:34:42
  And they're always talking about their Zodiac signs.
• 1:34:44
  And so you're just on here, you're thinking these are some
• 1:34:46
  people, you know, just trendy. Then you take the people that
• 1:34:50
  have a lot of nostalgia, especially for girls and guys my
• 1:34:54
  daughter's age, you know, 2425, whatever.
• 1:34:57
  And you go back to the day like Raven Simone.
• 1:34:59
  What about Raven? And she's talking about psychic
• 1:35:02
  stuff. Vanessa Hutchins from High
• 1:35:04
  School Music, Musical, Oh my goodness.
• 1:35:06
  She made a big transition into legit witchcraft and the
• 1:35:11
  paranormal and ghost hunting, so on and so forth.
• 1:35:14
  She had like a documentary out in Salem.
• 1:35:18
  I believe it was then the music industry, Lila, I mean, I, I,
• 1:35:24
  people don't like it, but I'm sorry, Taylor Swift and I am
• 1:35:28
  outspoken about Taylor Swift praying for her salvation.
• 1:35:32
  And that's what we have to remember when we talk about
• 1:35:33
  this. We're praying, right?
• 1:35:35
  We're praying for these people. They're lost, but they are able
• 1:35:38
  to influence masses of people. So again, when we're talking
• 1:35:42
  about the promotion of the new age, you have to look at these
• 1:35:46
  things. Our culture is booming with it.
• 1:35:48
  Taylor Swift, Katy Perry recently with the divine
• 1:35:51
  feminine in her space space trip talking about the divine
• 1:35:56
  feminine. And she also touched on
• 1:35:57
  manifesting in her little clip on TikTok about if you just
• 1:36:01
  believe in your dream and you, you know, you believe in it and
• 1:36:04
  it will come to pass. So you believe you coming up
• 1:36:07
  with the thing that you want, then you believing into it,
• 1:36:10
  being positive, visualizing it that then those things will come
• 1:36:14
  to pass. The law of attraction, the
• 1:36:16
  divine feminine. I mean this is pointing to
• 1:36:19
  Goddess worship, that you have this feminine power and again go
• 1:36:24
  back to the garden. You could be like God.
• 1:36:27
  It's just things outside of the, the, the Kingdom of God, right,
• 1:36:31
  because there is an order. I mean, God created the, the
• 1:36:35
  feminine, right? He created to be beautiful.
• 1:36:36
  He created to be made in his image.
• 1:36:38
  So in that sense, there's this element of truth that we're made
• 1:36:40
  in his image. There's something divine about
• 1:36:42
  us as children of God are creatures of God made in his
• 1:36:45
  image. But then there's this poison
• 1:36:47
  that gets mixed in, taking it out of the dominion of the
• 1:36:51
  Lordship of Jesus Christ. And I think that's where it can
• 1:36:54
  go sideways so quickly. But people think it's innocent.
• 1:36:57
  They think it's not a big deal. What do you think is important
• 1:36:59
  for Christians to know about the world of entertainment and some
• 1:37:06
  of this occult influence that it kind of has its fingerprints all
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  over the entertainment world. Right, Don't think that it's
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  just entertainment. Do your due diligence and look
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  into it because I'm not somebody who sits here and and say, OK,
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  don't listen to this, Don't watch this.
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  Don't and go down and, you know, hold checklist of things.
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  But when you see something as blatant as Lady Gaga at
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  Coachella or you see what Taylor Swift is doing, that should
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  cause you to stop in your tracks.
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  Go to the Word of God. Test the spirits first, John 41.
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  Go test the spirits and see what God has to say about that.
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  And think for yourself, especially Christian parents.
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  Do you want your children watching that?
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  Is that the role model that you want for your kids?
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  And what doors will that open for them?
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  Are they going actually to the concert and watching these
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  rituals and hearing lyrics that are about karma and demonic
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  things? I mean, Oh my goodness, it's so
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  horrible. So I would say Christian
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  community, really think about what you're looking at, what
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  you're seeing. And again, go test it by the
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  word of God and see what he says about it.
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  And don't be more, don't concern yourself more with keeping up
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  with the Joneses. We have to fear God, not man.
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  Fear God, not man and say, hey, less of me, more of you, Jesus,
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  but how are you going to do that if you still have a step here in
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  in that demonic and that is and and the consequences are
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  extreme. So I I do warn people about
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  those things while praying for those people and praying for the
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  lost. Imagine using those platforms
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  for Lord Jesus. Wow, wow.
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  Amen. You said something earlier
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  about, you know, you've had the the fruits of the Spirit, right?
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  You've had the joy of the Lord. You've had this peace that
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  surpasses understanding. And you know, we were talking
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  earlier about the Lord just providing.
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  And I do think that some people maybe are scared of saying going
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  all in and following Jesus Christ because of the of the
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  cost of what it might cost them. And you know, you did say like
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  life has been difficult for you. There have been big challenges
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  you've had to overcome post yourself, you know, becoming a
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  Christian. And So what would be your
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  encouragement to other people who maybe they already are a
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  Christian or they feel a sense of calling to say yes to God,
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  but they are afraid of leaving behind.
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  They're they're afraid of what it might cost them.
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  Yeah, no, don't, because you have already gained the world in
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  Christ Jesus. There's nothing that you're
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  missing. There's nothing that you're.
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  There's nothing really that could amount to what the Lord
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  Jesus gives us. There's nothing that can amount
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  to it at all. So what are you, what are you
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  risking? What are you losing?
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  You're losing. Gosh, was it the Apostle Paul
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  who said, you know, I consider all these things now as rubbish,
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  as garbage, the things that he used to do, being the Jew of
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  Jews, the Pharisee, all these now I see all those things as
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  rubbish because they can't save you.
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  So you holding on to your job, you holding on to.
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  What so and so thinks of you because you're going to speak
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  the truth about Lord Jesus? No, that's all rubbish.
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  You come to. God's got you.
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  That's the whole thing. When you say yes to the Lord,
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  we're putting our faith and trust in Him that He is our
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  protector, He is our Father, He is our provider, He is our
• 1:40:23
  comforter, He is our encourager. And we already have everything.
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  That's the freedom. We have everything.
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  And that is a certain promise that when you're a child of God,
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  his promises are for us. And he says he works all things
• 1:40:40
  together for our good. So all those traumas, all those
• 1:40:44
  trials, all those times that you fell short, all those things
• 1:40:47
  that you think you ruined, forget it, forget it.
• 1:40:51
  He'll work it all together for your good and for his glory.
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  And I know, and my heart goes out, Lila, I know these things.
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  And I went on Michael Knowles show me the next morning wanting
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  to hide under the bed. Did I say this?
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  Did I say and it's just but. God uses it for so much good.
• 1:41:08
  He's used already. I've just watched from again, a
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  little bit of a distance now, but I'm so grateful I get to
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  talk to you in person about how God is using you.
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  It's so beautiful, Jen. He's bringing me out, Lila now
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  to speak also. And these were all again nerve
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  wracking, would have been extremely nerve wracking things
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  with him. So to your point a little
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  earlier, let this be an encouragement to people that
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  again, we are given a spirit of strength, not fear, but even
• 1:41:33
  when we're uncomfortable with something, God is still, God is
• 1:41:36
  going to use us. That's what he wants to do.
• 1:41:38
  I say he's, he saves us and then he sends us, right?
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  And we go out and we are the light of Jesus Christ in the
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  darkness of this world. So I get on it where I have to
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  go. You know, I went to Canada,
• 1:41:51
  spoke to people over, I don't know, almost 400 people for 45
• 1:41:56
  minutes. Thank you, Lord Jesus, thank you
• 1:41:58
  God. And the people that came up to
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  me like a lot of young people after that with questions about
• 1:42:03
  witchcraft in their school, manifesting all these questions,
• 1:42:06
  seeing the the youth wanting to have the truth, wanting to know
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  the truth is beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
• 1:42:13
  So I'm super excited to be doing that and coming into churches so
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  that congregations can be aware. So I'm excited about that as
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  well. But that's the whole thing.
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  I didn't know where God. I didn't know what God was going
• 1:42:26
  to do with me. He saved me.
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  That was everything. That's everything.
• 1:42:30
  That is everything. So I didn't know what to expect.
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  I just knew He was going to have me every step of the way.
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  Amen. So beautiful.
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  Jen. Thank you for X Psychic Saved,
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  Thank you for your books, thank you for your willingness to
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  share your testimony, and just for the love that you allow God
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  to shine through. It's so beautiful.
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  Thank you Lila, God bless you too.
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  Thank you. Where can people find your work?
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  Xpsychicsaved.www.xpsychicsaved.com All my links are there for
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  everything and, and yeah, and, and people can reach out to me
• 1:43:02
  as well. Give me a little grace on
• 1:43:04
  response time. It gets difficult.
• 1:43:07
  My mom has dementia. I'm very open about that on
• 1:43:09
  social media too. And that's a big thing that the
• 1:43:11
  Lord has just been there with me through and my whole family.
• 1:43:15
  So, but you know, you have a personal life too.
• 1:43:19
  But I'm happy to hear from anybody.
• 1:43:21
  And if they need prayer, if you need prayer, there's a spot on
• 1:43:24
  my website that you can contact me and I'll, I know that I, I
• 1:43:27
  pray for my, the, I pray for the ministry because it's God's
• 1:43:31
  every single day, my YouTube family, Lord, my Instagram
• 1:43:35
  family, and I pray for all you guys out there.
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  Beautiful. Thank you so much, Jen.
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  Thank you, Lila. God bless you, sister.
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  God bless you too. Thanks so much for listening to
• 1:43:43
  this episode with ex psychic save Jennifer Nizza.
• 1:43:46
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