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Biden Path to the DNC - Analysis w Sen Ted Cruz · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome.
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  Speaker 2: It is Verdict with center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson with
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  Speaker 2: you live from the Republican National Convention, and we've got
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  Speaker 2: an audience out there.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Senator, this is the first morning I have ever woken
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  Speaker 2: up truly believing that Joe Biden is going to drop
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  Speaker 2: out of this presidential race. I've never believed it was
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  Speaker 2: possible before this morning. I want to get your initial
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  Speaker 2: reaction to that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, listen, if only someone could have predicted that before
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  Speaker 3: this week, I know, right. So, for regular Verdict listeners,
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  Speaker 3: you will recall that this podcast ten months ago, ten
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  Speaker 3: months ago, we predicted that Joe Biden would drop out
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  Speaker 3: of this race, that the Democrats would throw him out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And we predicted ten months ago that he'd be replaced
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  Speaker 3: by Michelle Obama.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time, the corporate media treated that prediction
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  Speaker 3: as utter moon bat insanity, insanity that like complete deltely nuts.
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  Speaker 2: Do we want a prize for ten months ago? By
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  Speaker 2: the way, I got to give you the brainchild of
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  Speaker 2: it ten months ago, I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Give you full credit. Did we get a prize for that?
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  Speaker 3: I think we certainly should get a prize. But look,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to happen. I think it is
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  Speaker 3: going to happen within the next week. And we have
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  Speaker 3: seen we've seen the momentum building and building and building.
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  Speaker 3: And look, I got to tell you, and you and
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  Speaker 3: I have talked about this. I have mixed sentiments at
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  Speaker 3: this convention. On one side, I am thrilled. I'm excited
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  Speaker 3: because the party is unified. It's unified at a level
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  Speaker 3: I've never seen. I've been to a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of conveen a lot of conventions. What was your first one?
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  Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two. I was at nineteen ninety two. I
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  Speaker 3: had just graduated from college. I was twenty one years old.
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  Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two, was in Houston.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: And it was actually it was the last public speech
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  Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan ever gave. And actually just after the convention
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  Speaker 3: they announced he had alzheimer, so it was his last
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  Speaker 3: public address.
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  Speaker 1: And so for his speech, it was very cool.
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  Speaker 3: Texas Delation was in front because it was in Houston,
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  Speaker 3: and they decided they wanted all the college kids down front.
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  Speaker 3: They wanted to show that the Republican Party is young
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  Speaker 3: and vibrant. So all the college kids we were in
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  Speaker 3: that we were put up front. So I was in
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  Speaker 3: the front row for Reagan's last public address.
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  Speaker 1: I'm jealous.
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  Speaker 3: And here's something really cool. At the time, Heidi was
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  Speaker 3: in college. She was at Claremont McKenna. She was the
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  Speaker 3: president of the College Republicans at Claremont McKenna out in California.
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  Speaker 3: She was at the convention and she was in the
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  Speaker 3: front row with the Texas delegation.
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  Speaker 1: And we didn't meet. I said, did you meet? No,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't meet until eight years later. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: But every time I see photographs of that convention, I
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  Speaker 3: like scan them to see if someone somehow got a
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  Speaker 3: picture of Heidie and me standing near each other, because
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  Speaker 3: we were very close to each other. So the point is,
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  Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of these I have never
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  Speaker 3: seen unity like this last couple of days. As you know,
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  Speaker 3: I've done a ton of media interviews and you listen
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  Speaker 3: to the reporters.
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  Speaker 1: They're losing their minds. They're so unhappy.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, you guys are soifide yea, and they're furious.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: We know how to screw things up well in the
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  Speaker 2: Republican Party when it comes to unity, this does feel
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  Speaker 2: very different.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone is on the same page. Everyone is united. Everyone
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  Speaker 3: wants Trump to win in November. Everyone wants to win
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  Speaker 3: the Senate, everyone wants to win the House. But you
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  Speaker 3: and I have also talked about this. I'll tell you
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  Speaker 3: what I'm scared about. I'm scared about overconfidence.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
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  Speaker 3: Look, there is an aspect of this convention that feels
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  Speaker 3: like a celebration, and I get that. But my message
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  Speaker 3: to everyone at this convention is it is not time
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  Speaker 3: to celebrate. We'll celebrate after election day. We need work
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  Speaker 3: to do. We have a job in front of us,
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  Speaker 3: and listen, I think we're going to come out of
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  Speaker 3: this convention. I think we'll see a bounce in the polls,
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  Speaker 3: and then I think within days or even hours, the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats are going to announce Joe Biden is no longer
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  Speaker 3: our nominee. They're going to pull them off, and the
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  Speaker 3: media is going to reset the entire race. They're going
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  Speaker 3: to do everything they can to take away the momentum
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  Speaker 3: from this convention, and so nobody here should get over
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  Speaker 3: confident because this becomes very, very dangerous, and the media
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  Speaker 3: is going to do everything they can to say, well,
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  Speaker 3: Joe was old, but now we're going to replace them
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  Speaker 3: with someone young.
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  Speaker 2: MSNBC they're so ready to be done with him. They said,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden obviously as COVID and they said he is
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  Speaker 2: quote self isolating, both medically.
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  Speaker 1: And politically.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, get up the dat though with what's happened happening
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  Speaker 4: in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 1: Also what you're hearing from the Biden campaign.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll start with the Biden campaign, Joe, and exactly
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  Speaker 4: right about the sequencing. So on your air, I talked
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  Speaker 4: about the fact three weeks ago that there was an
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  Speaker 4: effort among top Democrats to give President Biden the chance
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  Speaker 4: to walk off the stage. They said, he is proud,
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  Speaker 4: he's stubborn, we love him, we appreciate him, we want
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  Speaker 4: to give him the chance to walk off the stage.
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  Speaker 4: President Biden, in the view of these top Democrats, did
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  Speaker 4: not take the hint and the way that one top Democrat,
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  Speaker 4: someone very close to the West wing, put it to
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  Speaker 4: me Sunday as I sat here on the floor of
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  Speaker 4: this hall with my laptop doing reporting at the Republican
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  Speaker 4: Convention about what was happening in the Democratic Party. They said,
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  Speaker 4: we don't want to humiliate him. That was the effort.
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  Speaker 4: Then we saw this sequence yesterday and is my brilliant
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  Speaker 4: colleague Zach Bossu puts it at the top of Axios
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  Speaker 4: this morning. President Biden is now self isolating, both medically
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  Speaker 4: and politically.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's an obituary to his entire career.
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  Speaker 2: And he says, what we've seen, Let's talk about what
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  Speaker 2: we've seen. Every aspect of the Democratic Party has now
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  Speaker 2: run him entirely, turn on him completely. Yep, you've got
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  Speaker 2: the Clintons. They're saying you're done, the Obama's saying you're done,
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  Speaker 2: Schumer saying you're done, Pelosi saying you're done, Jeffreys saying
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  Speaker 2: you're done, Holly media saying you're done, the donors saying
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  Speaker 2: you're done, Hollywood saying you're done.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone, How the hell does this guy? He won't survive this,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: And look, you and I we predicted this ten months ago,
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  Speaker 3: and then the night of the debate. You and I
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  Speaker 3: did a podcast the night of the debate, immediately after
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  Speaker 3: the debate, and I said that night, Biden's done.
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  Speaker 1: He is no longer the nominee. He will be chased out.
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  Speaker 3: It'll take a few weeks for it to happen, but
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  Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen. Why, because the Democrats
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  Speaker 3: are terrified they're going to lose. Now, it's worth noting
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  Speaker 3: none of them care that we have a commander in
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  Speaker 3: chief right now with dementia. Has a single Democrat said, well, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: if he's so mentally diminished, he needs to resign as president.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody said that, not a single Democrat. Apparently they're fine
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  Speaker 3: with him having his finger on the button. Now, mind you,
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  Speaker 3: there comes a point where you take the keys away
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  Speaker 3: from grandpa.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but it's even.
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  Speaker 3: Scary if the keys are attached to ICBMs. Yes, but
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  Speaker 3: the Democrats aren't doing that. The only reason they're bailing
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  Speaker 3: on Biden is because the American people in the debate
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  Speaker 3: saw that and said, holy crap, that man can't tie
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  Speaker 3: his shoes and we're gonna lose. And they're suddenly protecting
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  Speaker 3: their rear end. Now, when you and I have been
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  Speaker 3: predicting it, people have asked, how does this happen?
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  Speaker 1: And you go back, go back to Richard Nixon.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, when Richard Nixon stepped down, listen, he didn't do
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  Speaker 3: so because he just said, well, gosh, I want to leave.
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  Speaker 3: He did so because a half dozen old bulls from
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  Speaker 3: the Senate, old Republican senators, went to the Oval office
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  Speaker 3: and they said, mister president, you're done, and he resisted.
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  Speaker 3: And let's be clear, they didn't just rely on persuasion.
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  Speaker 3: They said, if you don't resign, the House is going
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  Speaker 3: to impeach you and we're going to convict you. So
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  Speaker 3: you will be removed. And your only choice is do
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  Speaker 3: you want to do it? Volunteers earlier, do you want
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  Speaker 3: us to throw yet of office? And that ultimately led
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  Speaker 3: to the president presidentigning. Now, in this situation, we've seen
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  Speaker 3: the equivalent of the old bulls, the gray beards of
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  Speaker 3: the Democrat Party. All of the constituent groups, one after
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  Speaker 3: the other after the other, go to Biden say get
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  Speaker 3: out and get out, get out. They initially did so quietly.
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  Speaker 3: Quietly didn't work. They then have done so more and
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  Speaker 3: more publicly. And by the way, if Biden were to
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  Speaker 3: dig in, if he were to say I don't care,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not going, they have a hammer. Twenty fifth the
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  Speaker 3: twenty fifth Amendment. I understand how the twenty fifth Amendment works.
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  Speaker 3: All it takes is the vice president and a majority
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  Speaker 3: of the cabinet, and the vice president of the majority
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  Speaker 3: of the cabinet if they sign a letter declaring that
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  Speaker 3: the president is unfit for office.
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  Speaker 1: He is removed from office instantly. Instantly.
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  Speaker 3: Now he can file a letter saying no, I am
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  Speaker 3: fit for office. And then it goes to Congress and
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  Speaker 3: it takes two thirds of both houses. But you know what,
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  Speaker 3: Pelosi's turned on him, Schumer's turned on him. The Democrats
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  Speaker 3: are terrified.
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  Speaker 2: But accept it is what you're saying. Yes, So let
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  Speaker 2: me ask you this. If he doesn't drop out, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Not going to come to that.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to I don't think it's going to come
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  Speaker 3: to that. But that's the hammer that they don't want
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  Speaker 3: to threaten that. And and look the whole line about
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  Speaker 3: about dignity. They don't want to have to threaten that.
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  Speaker 3: But he is gone, and and so and and in
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  Speaker 3: my view, there's lots of speculation about about who the
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  Speaker 3: replacement will be. I believe the replacement will be one
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  Speaker 3: of two human beings. It will either be Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 3: or it will be Michelle Obama. Those are the only
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  Speaker 3: two human beings I believe that will be at the
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  Speaker 3: top of the take.
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  Speaker 2: And if Kamala gets it, it's only because of logistics.
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  Speaker 3: So actually, I think the logistics argument is completely overstated.
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  Speaker 2: So explain that. Let's let's explain the people the logistics argument,
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  Speaker 2: the argument that the argument.
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  Speaker 1: Is well, hold hold on.
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  Speaker 3: Before we do that, let me explain why it's Kamala
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  Speaker 3: or Michelle Kamala is next in line. Now, a lot
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  Speaker 3: of Democrats recognize that Kamala has imitations as a candidate,
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  Speaker 3: and so there's some Democrats that are like, oh, what
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  Speaker 3: are we doing? So you people hear people talking about
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  Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom. I think the chances that Gavin Newsom is
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the ticket are zero point zero
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  Speaker 3: zero percent. And the reason why it's not complicated the
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  Speaker 3: Democrat Party is com structurally unable to push aside an
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  Speaker 3: African American woman and replace her with a white guy
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  Speaker 3: like their party would implode.
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  Speaker 1: They would.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you talk about civil wars, they would have
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  Speaker 3: a civil war with Muskets, like a literal civil war.
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  Speaker 3: They can't do that, which means all of the names
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  Speaker 3: bannied about, none of them. You could have a primary
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  Speaker 3: and someone defeats her, but if it's anointing in a successor,
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe their party can do that, which means
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  Speaker 3: the only human being on planet Earth who could push
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  Speaker 3: kamalocide is Michelle Obama. Michelle Obama is obviously also an
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  Speaker 3: African American woman, but an African American woman with much
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  Speaker 3: higher approval ratings. And I think a much more dangerous
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  Speaker 3: candidate ten months ago, I said, and I still say
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  Speaker 3: it today. If I were a Democrat, I would be
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  Speaker 3: all in. I would be begging Michelle because I got
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  Speaker 3: to tell you, look, sitting here as a Republican who
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  Speaker 3: desperately wants us to win in November. That scares the
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  Speaker 3: living daylights out of me. If Michelle is the nominee,
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  Speaker 3: it is dangerous and everyone here better understand we're in
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  Speaker 3: for the fight of our life if it's her. Now,
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  Speaker 3: what is interesting is how much the Democrat Party is
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  Speaker 3: circling the wagons behind Kamala.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Kamala has risen.
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  Speaker 2: Is that because it's easier logistically, That's where I asked
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  Speaker 2: that question, because the money's there, the campaign's there, it's seamless.
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  Speaker 1: It's just multedash, complete nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: So people are saying, oh, well, Kamala is the only
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  Speaker 3: one who can access the money Biden Harris's raise, and
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  Speaker 3: so that's why they'll do it.
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  Speaker 1: What uttered look, imagine because that's what everybody's saying.
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  Speaker 3: But everyone's saying it, anyone's meaning true. It doesn't actually
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  Speaker 3: hasn't run a presidential campaign. It doesn't know how things operate.
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  Speaker 3: It's true Michelle Obama can't access the money, and the
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  Speaker 3: Biden calls. What happens the day Michelle Obamas announces the nominee.
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  Speaker 1: I'm assuming they would start the campaign, start raising money.
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  Speaker 3: And every Democrat, every grassroots Democrat, every activist, every donor
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  Speaker 3: is suddenly goes from despondency, depression, despair, their resigned crap,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna lose, crap's Trump's gonna be president. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: lose the Senate, We're gonna lose the House. They're in misery,
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  Speaker 3: and they wake up and hallelujah, hallelujah. Michelle Obama is
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  Speaker 3: riding in to save the day.
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  Speaker 1: And a billion dollars of free press.
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  Speaker 3: And they would raise a billion dollars within three weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Every Democrat billionaire goes, holy crap, we've saved the world.
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  Speaker 3: Get me my checkbook, and we're talking. Michelle would raise
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  Speaker 3: it in one hundred million dollar chunks.
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  Speaker 1: There is no money problem. Plus all the free media.
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  Speaker 3: And the free media, so it is massive. The only
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  Speaker 3: thing that can save us from that is if Michelle
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  Speaker 3: says no, and I am praying. Look, Michelle, you and
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  Speaker 3: I are not close. To put it mildly, but I
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  Speaker 3: just want to say, man, you got a good life.
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  Speaker 3: You're kicking back. Martha's vineyard is really nice in the summertime.
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  Speaker 3: I'm told I don't. I've never been there, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: told it's nice. Like you're kicking back, You're sipping charnay,
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  Speaker 3: You're on a yacht, you're on a private jet, You're
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  Speaker 3: paling around with movie stars.
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  Speaker 1: People loves you. You don't want to deal with the pesky.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to deal with us. You don't want
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  Speaker 1: to deal with politicians. You can't stand us.
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  Speaker 3: So just live your life as a movie star at
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  Speaker 3: a celebrity and don't bother with the gritty mess.
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  Speaker 1: Now. I don't know if that's persuasive to her or not.
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard people say confidently, Michelle doesn't want it.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe, And here's why I say maybe.
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  Speaker 3: When they say Michelle doesn't want if they say, well,
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  Speaker 3: she said she didn't want it, Okay, Well, you know politicians,
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  Speaker 3: you could always believe what they say, Like when they
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  Speaker 3: say they don't want something, it's always telling the truth.
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  Speaker 1: But they don't want it. I don't want it, but
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  Speaker 1: I do get to be on Air Force one when
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  Speaker 1: I want it.
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  Speaker 3: So they base it on the fact that Michelle did
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  Speaker 3: not run in twenty twenty. Well, that's true, but it
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  Speaker 3: is a very different decision to say, do I want
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  Speaker 3: to run for president? Do I want to spend two
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  Speaker 3: years going through the muck? Do I want to go
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: to mary Do I want to go through every county
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  Speaker 3: in Iowa? Do I want to go all over New Hampshire?
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Do I want to go all over South Carolina? Do
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: I want to raise money? Nonstuff? Do I want to
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: spend two years of my life? It is all consuming
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: And by the way, Michelle knows it. Yeah, she's witnessed
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: trist She went side by side with Barox, so she
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: knows exactly what's entitled entailed in that. That is a
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: very different decision than a three months, two and a
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: half months coornation. Michelle, we will have a coronation, everyone
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: will sing your hosannas, we will hand you the nomination.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: You'd give one speech, you'd.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Do a debate, you do a couple of rallies, and
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: suddenly you're President of the United States. That there are
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: very few people on planet Earth that if you walked
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: up and said, Okay, we'll make you president right now.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: All right, we got a studio audience here. How many
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: of you would say yes if we offered you would
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: you like to be president? Would you say yes? If
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: they were okay? Right now, we're getting nods, there's like okay,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: one guy said no, One guy said no, One guy
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: said no. Out everyone here.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: He lives at Martha's vineyard. By the way, I guarantee
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: a guarantee.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It's an unusual cat that would say no to being
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: offered the coronation. So Michelle scares me. But I want
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: to say something else to Republicans at this convention and
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: across the country. Don't get over confident with Kamala everything
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: that you just went through. The Democratic Party is in disarray.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: They're depressed, the donors are depressed. They feel like they're
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: about to lose.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: I think anybody that gets this opportunity that could be
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, will reinvigorate the checkbooks, or reinvigorate the party,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: or reinvigorate every candidate that's down ballot, because it's a
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it's a reset button. I think the bump that we
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: get out of this convention could have instantly disappear with
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Kamala Harris because of all of the news you're talking about,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and I think the amount of money she'll raise, but
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: I also think the thing is what Kamla is. She
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: will also get a billion dollars of free media. The
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: media will obsess over her. It changes the race completely.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Do you agree?
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I absolutely do, and I will say, look, Republicans, people
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: at this convention think rightly that Kamala is a train wreck,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: that she's been an absolute disaster. She's the borders are
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: except she only went to the border once as vice president.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: She and act even go to the Rio Grand Valley.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Everything she's touched had been a disaster. She got clobber
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: in the Democratic primary. There are lots of reasons to
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: say Kamala is not very good at this, but you
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: made the exact right point. Imagine it with a billion
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: dollars of free media, with every media outlet hyperventilating saying, oh,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: she's a combination of Mother Teresa, Oprah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And Gandhi all combined.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Like you will see reporters running after her, throwing their
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: panties at her.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: And by the way, that's just the men that those
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: identifies men. Let's be clear about that. Those are identify
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: as men, right, You never know and nowadays and it
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: is a dangerous thing.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: So listen, I think we beat Kamala, but everyone here
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: needs to be aware. We're not just going against Kamala.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: We're going against every corporate media outlet. We're going against
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: all of Hollywood. We're going against big tech, which will
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: elevate everything. They will do everything they can, and their
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: narrative will be you know what, they'll say, Biden was
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: a great historic president, but he got too old.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: We all get too old, and we fixed that problem. Now.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Now Kamalas is young and vigorous. She smiles a lot,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: she laughs and it drives us crazy. Yes, get ready
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: to hear that last so often. You're going you're gonna
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: wake up at nights screaming and hearing the cackle.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: They also believe that she's going to bring women together
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: for two reasons. One, they're going to make Roe v.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Wade an issue again and try to really bring feminists
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and women out on that. That'll be a core point
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of her campaign. But two, just the overall history of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: women and breaking the glass ceiling. She also is a minority. Yeah,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: so you would have a minority female who would make
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: history while in re engaging women voters in the Democratic
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Party and women that maybe are swing voters.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's actually very, very dangerous.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: It is exceptionally dangerous. And let's complicate it a little more.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: If it is Michelle, if it is Kamala, who's the VP.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: It's a great question. I honestly have not thought about
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it much. I say that Here's why. I'm like, do
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: you pick a man? Do you pick another woman? Do
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you pick someone that's young? Do you pick someone that's
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: older that's not a threat to you if you don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: do well in four years? I mean, I've been so
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: focused on Joe Biden, and I'm going who's on the
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: short list?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I don't know if they would even know who they're
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: short yet. Who do you have? Yeah, so I have
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: One possibility that is a real possibility is Gavin Newsom.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I don't believe Gavin Newsom could be at the top
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: of the ticket, but I believe he would be a
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: very credible fundraiser VP choice for either either Michelle or
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Commo that that that is a VP choice, and mostly
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: Newsome comes with with with just a crap ton of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: California monds. And he's a good looking guy. He's smooth,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: he's slick. Gavin Newsom reminds me of the comment about
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton. He's an unusually good liar, and in Democrat
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: politics that is a really good tribute. He is a
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: gifted and talented liar. Now I've also pointed out I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: consider Gavin Newsom.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I I want to actually name him.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Texas Realator of the Year because nobody has sold more
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: homes in the state of tams than Gavin Newso, I
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: mean he could sell homes everywhere in Texas. But I'll
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: also point out, all right, so Politico Playbook, which is
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: every political junkie reads the playbook.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Combination of news and gossip from politics. So Playbook right
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: now writes about a polling memo circulating among Democratic Party
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: officials that argues the best chance to defeat Trump is
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: with a new nominee independent of the administration, in other words,
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: not Kamala Harris. And look, we get that Kamala in
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: an open field is not the most attractive political candidate
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: for the Democrats, but I think they're locked into her
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: unless Michelle is doing it. But what's interesting is what
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: this memo argues, and it says, based on polling of
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: who does well against Trump, it says the strongest candidates,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: So this is polling for their presidential nominee, but it
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: says the strongest potential candidates are, in alphabetical order, Arizona
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Senator Mark kellyp Maryland Governor Wes Moore, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: and Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: That's the one that keeps coming in my mind. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: double women woman ticket.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Look, that is certainly a possibility. And they're different philosophies
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: on vps. Sometimes a president picks a VP that is different,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: that that is markedly different.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Think JFK picking LBJ.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: You picked kind of totally different branches of the party
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: to unififi them. Think Reagan picking Bush That that that
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: is one.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Way to do it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Other times a nominee reinforces the strength of a candidate,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: and think Bill Clinton picking Al Gore. We're both young,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: relatively conservative Southern Democrats, kind of doubling down.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: This is our message. I think there is a chance
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: they do that.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: But my guess is I think the Democrats are less
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: likely to pick two women. I don't know this, but
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: but I think as I look at it, I would say.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: You got to bet tonight you go with Gavin Newsom.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Or Josh Shapiro and Josh Shapiro is a they don't know,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Okay Shapiro, Josh Shapiro.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Audience has been Shapiro, not Josh Shapiro.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: They will not pick Shapiro, although, boy, that would be fun.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Can Shapiro? Now that's that's a unity ticket right there, right.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro is the governor of Pennsylvania. He used to
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: be the Attorney General of Pennsylvania. He is widely perceived
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: as a moderate Democrat.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: He's not very moderate, but he's widely perceived as such.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: He's what passes for a moderate in today's Democrat party. Now, look,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Pennsylvania is a state both sides view as very close
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: to must win. There are paths to getting to two
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy electoral votes without Pennsylvania, but not many.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Pennsylvania is probably the single most contested UH swing state
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: in this election. Josh Shapiro is a popular governor, yep.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: And a popular governor, and governors you will in that position.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Look it, I think Shapiro would be dangerous. I'd be
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: surprised if she picked him. But I'll tell you Mark
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Kelly would be a very dangerous candidate. I know Mark well.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Mark is Look, he's a Navy veteran, he's a former astronaut.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: He's a short, muscular, bald guy. And look, it's very
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: hard to call Mark Kelly a wuss. Yeah, Like he
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: seems that there's a reason that he has won decisively
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: at Arizona. He's also an affable guy, so he seems likable, moderate,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: he seems reasonable. His voting record is terrible, but he
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: comes across as very He comes across like it could
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: be a Republican, So I could see. I doubt Mark
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Kelly would be the nominee, but I could see him
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: being in the mix.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: So I would.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Probably say Michelle slash Kamala, and I'd probably give Kamala
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the edge right now.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Part of that may be just wishful thinking. I wanted
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to be Kamala, not Michelle. And in terms of the VPS,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I would say Shapiro, Newsome, Kelly, Whitmer.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Two final questions A do they delay the convention? Number
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: one and two if they delay the convention, will he
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: step down at the convention and then have that be
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the media or does it come out before the convention.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: All right, so the appellate lawyer and maybe has has
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: to say, I love that you asked A and two.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like like that's that. That's just kind of a
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: fun outline. You're welcome.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Just want just want to mess with you every once,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: want to see if you're selling your game?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Right? A and B?
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Is that better that that is? I like Roman numerals
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: and outline and and Z. But I'm not going to
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: tell you I love ven diagrams. I'm gonna leave that
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: to say ven diagrams make make my my cold cruel
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: heart go pitter pat. Look uh that I don't think
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: they delay the convention. They might, but I doubt it,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: and they don't. Wait, I think this happens within the
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: next week. I think this could easily happen this weekend.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And and frankly, look, the Democrats are small by delaying
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: till after this convention.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: This convention got happen and then kill them. A minute
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: has been phenomenal.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: And the media will treat whoever parachutes in the media
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: will treat it as a brand new race, ignore anything
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: that happened before. We're brand new, starting over, and so
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I think they want to get on with that quickly.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: So my prediction, by the way, if you want to
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: think about momentous and historic weeks in politics. On Saturday,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the former president of the United States was shot, the
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: first presidential assassination attempts since nineteen eighty one. Immediately thereafter,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: we've had an incredibly successful convention, We've had a vice
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: presidential nominee named, and it could be within a week
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: of that, because I could easily see it being this weekend.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Joe Biden is off the ballot, and we have a
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: new Democrat nominee, and there's chatter, there's some of the
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: pundits that are saying, oh, we ought to have it
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: been primary wat to have Democrats fighting are gonna happen.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I don't believe that will happen. They will coroinate and
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I think it'll be one.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Of the two ben My bonus question is either three
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: or c depending on how you want to enlist these.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: How many times will Kamala Harris or Michelle Obama debate
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump?
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Once?
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: It will have one debate, just one debate we will
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: have one demand.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Could they get away with saying I'm not going to
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: debate now, No, even if it's Michelle.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I think they will do one debate. I think they
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: will feel like it's not credible if you don't do
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: a debate, particularly because.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: If you're Trump, do you push for two? I would, yeah,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: but I say it's a reset. We're doing two of
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: these suckers before November.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: But I don't think they'll end up doing it. Look,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: I think Trump may well push for two. Part of
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the reason if you're a Democrat, everyone concedes. Trump mopped
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: the floor with Biden. I think it's a Democrat. You
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: don't want that to be the only debate. If you're
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: putting someone new, you'd need something credible. I will tell
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you I just came from a meeting that the Jade
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Vance met with all the senators. We're congratulating him, and
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: he did have a very funny thing he shared with us.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: He said, you know, he was talking to to Trump about, well, okay,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: who are we going to face? Is it going to
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: be someone new? Is it going to be Kamala? And
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: and and and Jad said well, well, look, mister President,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I said, yes, assuming I got to debate Tambala. If
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: they actually bring in someone that's a really good debater,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I may have to rethink this. And Trump said, no
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: backing out. You accepted the thing. You're stuck.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: You're going anywhere. But look that.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I I think they'll do it fast. By the way,
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I will point out the night of the debate, when
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: you and I did a podcast immediately thereafter, we said
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: that night, this is the most consequential presidential debate in
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: American history. And the reason we said that is because
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: we said, I believe this will change the names on
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the ballot in November. And that has never happened. There's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: never been a debate that changed the names on the ballot.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what that debate did. It took a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: few weeks to play out. But I think it is imminent.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I think it is within days.
• 30:01
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• 30:04
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• 30:07
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• 30:09
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• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump's speech tonight, any any prediction last minute?
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Will he needle Joe Biden?
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Look, I think it is going to be substantially tamped down.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I think Saturday changed the speech. In fact, I know
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Saturday changed the speech that I think prior to Saturday
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the speech was going to be quite combative. And I
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: expect to see a lot of unity, a lot more language.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Seeking to bring people together. And look, we've seen this
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: throughout the convention.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: We talked about we did it, did a live podcast
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: at the convention yesterday. I talked about when I visited
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: with President Trump yesterday, and I think Saturday really had
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: an impact on him, had an impact. I mean, he
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: kind of pulled me aside and said, really quietly, just
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: said God saved me. And it was it was quiet
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: and serious in a way that I think is really consequential.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: And and and listen, I think it's you can't go
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: through what he went through Saturday, having been shot and
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: having been within a half inch of being killed. Amen,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: without really thinking about God Almighty turning his head, because
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I believe that happened. I believe it was divine providence
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: that turned his head. And had it been slightly one
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: way or the other, we would be having a dramatically
• 33:09
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• 33:10
  Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Always a pleasure at the convention.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks everybody that are here. We will see you back
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: here in a couple of days.