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Harmony Within: A Holistic Journey Of Healing, Meditation, And Mindful Empowerment With Karina Cury · Mindful You

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Alan Carroll: Welcome back, everybody, to the mindful, new
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podcast, where we go to the gymnasium of mindfulness. And we
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hear the various practices and exercises and wisdom from people
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who are journeying down the mindfulness path. And today our
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guest is Karina curry. Karina emigrated from Brazil when she
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was 18 years old, came to the United States to discover the
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magic and the splendor and the wonders of this great America
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that she envisioned in our mind. And when she arrived, she
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discovered that it wasn't quite the way that she thought it was
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going to be. So she experienced over the years bouts of
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depression, not well being, which she got involved in
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holistic studies, and began to spend more time in the holistic
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world and began through holistic practices, beginning to heal and
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balance the energies in her body. She describes herself as
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an holistic life coach. And she gets into a definition of whole
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holistic, what it means she wrote a great book. And the
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title of it is awakening the, the journey from medication, to
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meditation, thinking about the pharmaceutical companies and how
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they want to solve problems with pharmaceutical products, as well
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as the holistic approach, where you use the more natural kind of
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solutions in order to stabilize the energy. So she had lots of
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wonderful things to share. Lots of great energy, lots of
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enthusiasm, lots of authenticity. Just very
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comfortable having a conversation with Karina and I
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know that you will enjoy listening to her, sing her song,
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sing her song of mindfulness. So please welcome Karina curry, to
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the mindful you podcast. Well, please welcome Karina to the
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mindful you podcast. Thank you very much for being with us
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today. Karina,
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Karina Cury: thank you for having me, Ellen.
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Alan Carroll: I was reading about your background, your
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journey that you've been on your entire life that's led you
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definitely down a spiritual path. And one of the words that
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you use a lot in terms of your description is the holistic
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conversation. And I think it's important for our audience to
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have someone like yourself, let's go into the holistic, the
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meaning of holistic, so at least we understand what the meaning
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of a holistic is. And then for fun, also just your journey that
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got you into that holistic tillow Whoa, that can't quite
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say what I want to say, into that holistic conversation. So
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let's just go for a little bit of the history and then a little
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understanding of the holistic conversation which tising
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clearly to mindfulness, okay,
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Unknown: holistic, the word mean means whole rate. And the whole
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means Madi, baton, body, mind, body, and spirit connection.
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Because we're not just this matter, this matter is the
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vessel that carries your soul. So
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Alan Carroll: the physical body is, is the vessel that carries
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the spirit or the soul. And so there's the physical component
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of our reality. And
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Unknown: we need it we need this matter. And when you were
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talking about the ego earlier, you need that ego you need all
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these things to be here in this earth, you know, to have this
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human experience because our soul our spirit is energy and it
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doesn't and has no beginning or no end, it'll continue on. It
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will take a different form when we leave this earth but it's
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it's there's no end to it, right? So we're here to
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experience this life, pain, sorrow, happiness, everything
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that it comes with humanity. So for you on your journey, you
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know, it's it's a learning experience here in this earth.
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And you go through trials and tribulations right and to learn
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the word the mind comes on is to learn to deal with the things
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that we You have to do in this human body, you know, diseases,
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pains, losing people, you know, the pain of sorrow. So, if
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they're, if you're not in connection with everything is in
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connection, whatever goes on in your mind, it retaliates into
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your body, and that's when the body gets sick, right? Because I
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believe that all sickness has to do with trauma, childhood, PTSD,
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anything that we endure in life, we don't if you don't heal, and
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that's when diseases appear in the body. So if you're not
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connected mind, body, and spirit. And that's when those
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things start to happening. I immigrated here from Brazil, I
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was 18 years old, I wanted to be a horse trainer. And I had, you
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know, a tough childhood. I wanted to escape Brazil. And so
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I came here with all these dreams of, you know, having a
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better life, being able to do what a woman and be into
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whatever I want to be a horse trainer for one, two. That's
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Alan Carroll: right, this is America.
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Unknown: Exactly. So, um, things didn't turn out the way you
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know, I envision I, you know, you go through life, you meet a
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lot of different people. And they're all have their own path,
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their own journey they're on. And I'm not necessarily saying
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that people that I met were bad, they were going through their
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own learning experiences, right. And I think sometimes we feel
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we're not connected, we also hurt people. Because we are
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hurting hurt people hurt people. So going through these things,
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and then to the fact that I was not myself, I didn't have the
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knowledge that I have today. So I went through a lot of
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suffering. That suffering down led me to the path of
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depression. And I was I went through a really tough divorce,
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I had two children, two small children, no money, no
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connections, no family, and I felt really lost. And I, my
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friends were like, Okay, you got to do something. So at the time,
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they're like, Okay, I know the psychiatrists, you're gonna go
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blah, blah, blah. My, I have a huge problem now, with the
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knowledge that I have with pharmaceutical companies. I
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believe that they like to enslave people into, you know,
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into medication. So you go in, and you meet with your
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psychiatrist to give you 30 minutes of her time, and, you
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know, $300 a consult and you're, you tell her what's going on in
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her life. She's like, Okay, you're depressed. So I'm going
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to prescribe you medication. Well, then come back in two
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weeks, we'll talk about more well, then you come over there.
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And you know, she spends 15 minutes here listening to what
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you have to say she's like, Okay, well guess is, we're going
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to up your dose, and then they up your dose. And now I have, I
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can't sleep, I'm taking this medication, the highest dose of
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this medication, I can sleep, okay, we're gonna give you a
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different medication now that you take before you go to bed.
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So you can sleep. Well, now I'm having these anxiety attacks,
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right, every time I have to go to work. So let's let me put you
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on another medication. Sure. Yeah, so and pharmaceutical
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companies, they want that they want you to stay on all these
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medications for the rest of your life. And those doctors are not
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telling people what the side effects are to this medications
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they are they're just like solving that problem. Right now.
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They're masking that they're not solving the problem. They're
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masking the problem, right? Because I need healing. I need
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like deep rooted healing. And so for 10 years, I'm on this
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medication until my mother passed away and I was really and
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she always talked about just like how you you know, you need
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to do more holistic stuff, and you know, I don't believe in
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medication, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, when she passed
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away, you know, the synchronicities of the universe.
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This coach, this holistic life coach, kinda like that I've been
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following for a while, I decided to give her a call and set up an
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appointment. And so I've been on this path of healing now for
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four years and I was able to get off medication. My doctor didn't
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want me to get off but I was able to get off medication using
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my own protocol, like my own research and everything. You
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know, people really need to realize they need to take charge
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of their health, their life, you know, you are in charge of your
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life and your happiness and you know, you only you can change
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things and make things better for yourself. So, I took charge
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and i She changed my life. I was so impressed with with the work
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she was doing with me and everybody else and I started
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going through all these retreats for To retreats, and I decided
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to become a coach myself because I wanted to do that for people I
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wanted to pay forward. I wrote a book. And I tell people, my, my,
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my journey and how I was able to get off medication.
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Alan Carroll: I love the title of the book, go tell tell the
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audience the title, it was a great title.
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Unknown: Yeah, awakening a journey from medication to
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meditation.
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Alan Carroll: Yeah, that's a that's a sweet way of you know,
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it's almost the same word. Yeah, exactly, almost the same word.
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Unknown: So go on. So through meditation and a lot of reading
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and researching and deep diving into spirituality, I, in some
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plant medicine as well, I was able to change my life, and I'm
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the happiest I've ever been, I take zero medication. I only
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take supplements, I am and I meditate every day, sometimes
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two hours a day, I live a very holistic life, I also take care
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of my vessel and on my body, I eat healthy exercise, because
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it's not just meditating, right is the whole process of things,
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you have to take care of everything, mind, body, and
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spirit. Because there's a connection there. And if one
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part is not working well, then everything is out of balance.
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Alan Carroll: The I find that the the you mentioned the
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sources of disease. I'm currently thinking that based on
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the people that I hear and talk to on YouTube 99% of the
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physical issues that are happening in the physical body
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are caused by imbalances, and the or the inability, not even
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the imbalances, the inability to balance the thoughts that you
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are thinking inside your head. And, and the ability to meditate
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is a a vehicle that you can use to become better management of
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the thoughts that you that are that are blowing up all the time
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and in your consciousness. So let's, let's talk a little bit
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about the meditation piece and the value of meditation in the
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as a as a tool to use in the holistic path.
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Unknown: So change your thoughts change your life, right? Your
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thoughts are very powerful. Matter of fact, if I sit here
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and talk to you about a lemon, and I said, Imagine the lemon
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you put in the lemon, your mouth, you start salivating.
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Right? That's how powerful your mind is. There's no lemon around
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here. I've been just talking to you. I've started salivating.
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Right? Right? Imagine being able to being able to do that with
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your with everything. But we are so because we are so programmed
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from childhood, to think a certain way to do a certain way
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by our parents, by our teachers, I mean education here, you know,
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they're not teaching us anything, and our education is
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terrible. I mean, we need to go back 1000s of years to take from
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the you need to teach the children to think for themselves
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to be in charge, the teachers shouldn't have a reverse whole
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row with the kid. And they shouldn't be teaching the
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teacher. That's how they shouldn't be playing around.
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Because we're, we're just training people here. And so
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we're trained their mind not to be free. And so we're always
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worrying about the past or worrying about the future. We're
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not living the present. And that's a problem. If you're not
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because the past doesn't belong to you anymore. Everything that
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you've done back there is like a foreign country. You don't live
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there. You know, in the future. I remember
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Alan Carroll: I remember all those things that happened to me
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in the past, you better believe and I'm not going to forgive
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those people either. For all the things they've done for me, I
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got to keep my past there. I'm not going to let it go. Oh, no,
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no, no. Exactly.
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Unknown: And people like that can never free themselves. And
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that's anger turns your starts turning to disease. Right
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Alan Carroll: anger the anger right the resentment and the
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anger you have towards things in the past. Eat away at you. Yes.
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Suck up your your lifeforce, you're using your your resources
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to fight a battle that is a bunch of windmills. It's not
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real, but you spend your life defending and arguing and things
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that happen in the past. And
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Unknown: that's why I no longer watch TV. I don't longer watch
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movies that are not uplifting or anything like that, or podcasts
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or and uplifting everything that I do because the mind is so
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subjective. And even those people have been thought those
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thoughts are not yours or not theirs has been given to them.
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Okay, bye dog by the the system that was created created to to
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this empower people. So the all these thoughts and things that
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we're giving are very disempowering. And when people
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realize that they're very powerful and everything they
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need within, then the we can change the world, but we lost
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the connection, right? We lost that spiritual connection with
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mother nature with everything that's with God, because what is
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God God is every living thing that is here on Earth is not
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like being in heaven, you know, judging people, or that people
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should be fearful of it. No, you are God, God's within you. So,
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you. So when people realize that, that you are all powerful,
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they can change, but it takes work. And meditation is a really
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good way to do it. And I tell my clients, I'm like, start slow.
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And people have this idea that meditation is something you
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have, you cannot think of anything, you just have to sit
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there and your mind has to be blank. No, it's not. Because
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your mind is never going to be blank, right? It's always going
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on, you just the thoughts will come. And you acknowledge them,
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and you move on, right? Acknowledge the thought, and you
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move on. And I always tell people start slow. Everything is
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practice. I mean, Jimi Hendrix did not was not born with a
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bullish guitar, you know, or any map anybody to master anything
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is because they practice. So everything takes practice. And I
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ended the power of small steps, five minutes a day. That's how I
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started my coach inspired and empowered me to write my book,
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because I always talked about writing a book, and she goes,
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open your computer, 10 minutes a day, write one phrase, whatever,
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one paragraph, and then that one paragraph every day turn into,
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you know, a chapter every day. So it's the power of small
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steps, and people don't realize that take five minutes, instead
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of like, staring at this black hole, that's your phone, you
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know, or watch how people are living their lives. Why don't
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you think about how you can live your life better. And just five
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minutes, start with a guided meditation, you know, do deep
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breath work, you know, there's tons of videos on YouTube, of
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guided meditations and breath work, and start your day like
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that. Were like, the powerful of gratitude. And I remember when
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my coach used to tell me that, and I was like, Man, I can't
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think of one thing that I'm grateful for. But then as you
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start thinking, it was like, wait, I have everything that I
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need. But it took me a while to realize that, but it's like I
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would, I would say three things that I was grateful every day
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that I would just dig down deep. You know, I'm grateful that I
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woke up this morning, you know, I grateful that I can go to my
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kitchen I have food to eat, you know, and just like small
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things, and now it's part of my daily routine. You know, I wake
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up I do my gratitude, my affirmations I do my meditation
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and if I like I just went on a little vacation and you know I
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was with was a girl strip and you were like always busy and
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added man, it was so weird non be able to have my routine every
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day, you know, I felt totally discombobulated. Not being able
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to that to do that, you know, but it's very powerful. And it's
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just you do it all you need 30 days, 30 days to to create a
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good habit.
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Alan Carroll: I'm I believe everything you're saying is
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absolutely the truth. The two there's something about
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meditation, or something about mindfulness, any any vehicle
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that you can use, to taste to taste the, the nectar, of the
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space of mind of mindfulness of I often use the word, stillness,
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pockets of stillness. Meditation is closing the eyes. And
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immediately if you close your eyes, you've eliminated a huge
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amount of, of chaos, which is causing the the leaves to stir
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up in your mind. Those leaves the thoughts. And so what I
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thought it'd be fun, if you would, is take us on a little
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guided meditation, using breath work or whatever technique you'd
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like to use for a couple of minutes so we can we can try to
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taste the nectar of Your wisdom with our physical body.
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Unknown: You want me to guide you in a medication? Yeah, I'd
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Alan Carroll: like that. Okay, yeah. I'm gonna close my eyes.
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Because I want to you know, get the chaos stuff gone. So that's
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so
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Unknown: yeah, close your eyes if you feel like in Yeah. And
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take a deep breath. In and fill your belly like a baby you know
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when a baby breathe, and you see his, the belly gets really full
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and hold it there for a couple seconds and release it and take
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a deep breath in. Again, fill your belly
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hold it and release. Now imagine a light and very white bright
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light coming from above.
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And is going in into your head and is coming down through your
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neck, it's engulfing your heart. Your belly is going through you
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all the way through Mother Earth, all the way to the center
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of Earth. This white bright light has been cleansed. Mother
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Earth is taking everything that does not serve you anymore. And
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is transmuting into unconditional love. Now imagine
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the light coming back through you again. Going up your spine
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through your heart, and your throat and your brain and all
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the way up the sky. And this light is just bring you love
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forgiveness, acceptance, self love, self care and you feel in
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the cells of your body the healing power of this white,
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bright light and now feel the light expanding out of your body
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creating a bright white bubble and you're inside this bubble
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and this light and makes you safe. It makes you warm. Makes
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you feel the love of the universe and makes you know that
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everything in this earth is for you. It makes you feel powerful.
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Makes you feel like you can conquer anything. You feel brave
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take a deep breath in and soak all the love into the cells of
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your body. Feel your body being healed by the powerful bright
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love that this light is bringing into your life
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and when you're ready you can gently open your eyes
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Alan Carroll: that's a guided meditation. Powerful, so people
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who want to meditate well you just experienced meditation. And
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what were some of the experiences that you experience
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when you do meditation.
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Unknown: Like my body feels like it's like everything that you
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heard I feel in my body I feel the cells of my body connecting
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to this powerful love light that that the Creator gives us you
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know that everything we have, we need everything we need we have.
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And I feel all powerful and I feel like I'm enough. And I feel
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I feel cared for, you know, I feel the oneness with the
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universe. You know, because we're all part I call it we are
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God equals we're all particles of God.
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Alan Carroll: Gotta goals you call them.
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Unknown: Yeah, we're all particles, yes for God because
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we're particles of particles of God. And that's what we are we
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just need to know how to connect and feel where we are, you know,
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because like I said, we lost the connection, we lost the
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connection with everything with nature, we're so caught up in
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this materialistic world, you know, let's watch when you watch
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TV, they're all offering a new thing and you feel like you're
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needed and here if you feel sad, take this drug and it'll make
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you feel better you know, and like I said, our minds so
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subjective, that we we think we need all these things. These are
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things that are out there in the world to feel better we don't
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everything we we need to feel better. It's the love and
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connection of the universe, with God with creator with source
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with spirit, whatever you want to call you know.
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Alan Carroll: I when we're talking about the God we all are
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sons and daughters of God, the mind is going to say Karina,
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what are you smoking some smoky to wacky tobacco? Come on,
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you're not a God, your your, your lady from Brazil, come wake
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wake up, wake up your God is that you got you got some big
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ego, I tell you. And so then to navigate through that, is if
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it's like doing research, I don't know, oh, my God or not
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God, been if I am a God, what would God do? What would God
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say? If I was a god? What would God do? Well, God would be a lot
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nicer. Yes, God would be a lot more compassionate.
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Unknown: And God said, When you see someone that's doing
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something that may make, may may make you feel not as happy, have
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compassion over the person, you don't know what the person is
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going through why they're acting like that. Because you don't
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know what you don't know. And when you gain this knowledge
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that you are God, you start seeing people with a lot more
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compassion. And that's when I understood that was all that
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when I start seeing people with different eyes, now I see people
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I have compassion over them. And I think, wow, you know, that
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person must have a tough time. And you know, and but I would
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like to go to towards that person and offer them some love,
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but everybody has to find in their, their own path and their
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own time, you know, and it took me I'm 48 now it took me 44
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years to find. So I think everybody is born with the
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knowledge but we lose it somehow. Right? But somehow in
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sometimes you have to hit in my case, hit rock bottom at to
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realize I got to do something, I got to do things differently.
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And then you start to look for deeper connections, you know,
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deeper things in life, and realize that material things
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don't bring you happiness, they never did. I mean, I see so many
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people that are so abundance financially, but they lack
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abundance and everything else. Right? So it's finding that
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abundance, realizing that abundance is if you have what
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you need, you have abundance and being happy, I mean are saying
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you can want things of course you can, you know, we're humans,
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but realizing that what do you do with that abundance? You
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know, how, how do you use that abundance. And that's, I love
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when I see people who were naturally generous with their
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abundance, and it's amazing. So you know, it takes time and it
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takes practice but if I can do it, anybody can do it. Believe
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me, if you saw me 10 years ago, I was a holy mass. So and when
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you when you when your energy is not aligned, you know you you
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attract people that are in the same energy as you are. So as
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attracting people like me at the time, so everybody that I had in
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my life was a holy mess. Once you're change that then you
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start attracting people that are in alignment with you. And it's,
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it's great. Although I love my friends now, I always loved my
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friends. But now we're connecting on a deeper level,
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you know, we have so much understanding and love and
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compassion for each other and for the world, there's no
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judgment. And that is a powerful thing to become non judgmental.
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And it's like I said, it took me a long time, but there's hope
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for everyone.
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Alan Carroll: non judgmental, is has to be one of the pillars of
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mindfulness to define voice mindfulness. Well, mindfulness
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is a space in consciousness in which you watch the show, but
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you don't judge the show. And, and that's a that's a everybody,
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everybody has to has a show. They watch in the outer world,
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they wake up, they plug their five senses into the world, and
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boom, I'm in the movie. But everybody is judging everything
31:06
they're seeing coming from I know. You don't need to tell me.
31:10
I know, I know. Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I
31:13
know. I Weiwei shutter. Let me tell you I know, I know,
31:16
everybody has this immediate I know, into the world, which,
31:21
which keeps things pretty much solidified. There's no There's
31:25
no fluidity to I know, there's no opportunity to create
31:30
something new if I, if I know. So. So you mentioned earlier
31:35
about? Well, the opposite to I know, would be? I don't know.
31:42
And so talk a little bit about the power of I don't know.
31:46
Unknown: So I think that a lot of people act like that, because
31:50
one of the things that really hold us back, I think one of the
31:54
biggest problems we have in that has been an input in our, in our
31:59
brains, you know, there was not, it didn't, I didn't think it was
32:04
given to me. It's fear. Fear is what holds people back. And
32:11
fear. When people don't know they, they, they they act like
32:20
that. Because the fear of something, whatever it is,
32:23
right? The fear of being judged, the fear of being laughed at the
32:28
fear of
32:30
Alan Carroll: making a mistake, I want to make a mistake.
32:33
Exactly. Don't make mistake, don't do anything. You don't
32:36
want to make a mistake. Exactly.
32:38
Unknown: But that is what I'm talking about. When I talked
32:41
about how we teach kids, you know, you got to teach them that
32:46
failure is okay. And that's how you learn. You know, there's
32:52
power, there's power, and I don't even like to say use the
32:56
word failure because it's never is failure, but the power of
32:59
making mistakes, that's how you learn. You have to make mistakes
33:04
to learn. So people should not fear those things, but how to
33:08
get rid of fear, right? Because every now and then fear pops up
33:11
and, and is the ego, right? The ego, the biggest his biggest
33:15
fear is to die. And so there's always that, you know, you have
33:22
to learn to control the ego. And sometimes I have a full
33:26
conversation with him, you know, it was my ego, I go, Dude,
33:30
you're not dying, calm down. It's okay, we're gonna live you
33:36
know, or fear. One of the biggest fears that people have
33:39
is fear of lack of abundance, they people are scared of being
33:43
poor, people are scared of not having things that's why people
33:48
don't take chances, don't go try a new job, they stay unhappy on
33:54
that job that they're at, because their fear of not having
33:57
money. And all these thoughts were given to us by our parents,
34:01
by church by, you know, religious institutions by the
34:05
government, you know, all these things that you watch on TV or
34:09
your parent, you know, like, think about the our parents, you
34:12
know, they came from that generation of posts. We're we're
34:17
we're to eat everything on your plate because we don't know when
34:20
we're gonna have food and you know, again, well that messes
34:23
with people's head stays. For example, I had this thought that
34:29
I was not smart. And it was given to me by my mother for
34:33
things she didn't know judgment here. She didn't know what she
34:36
was doing. She got married at 18 years old and you know, whole
34:39
story there. But I remember sitting down and doing some math
34:44
work and I you know, there was like, okay, little Johnny has
34:48
two apples in any gives one apple two, you know, and I just
34:53
could not get that. Understand that problem. And she said, My
34:58
gosh, you're just nuts. Mario Are you that until I was able to
35:07
heal that heart, seven year old that was not smart. I couldn't,
35:12
that that's why this book is so it was so powerful to write this
35:16
book because I used to think I was not smart enough to write a
35:18
book. And so to overcome that, that thoughts, you know, and
35:23
that fear and all these childhood traumas. And so all
35:27
these thoughts were given to us, and we got to get rid of them,
35:30
you know. And there's, it, like I said, is not simple. It takes
35:37
work, but it's doable, because if I, like I said, I can do it,
35:40
anybody can do it. But just sometimes you just have to have
35:43
a conversation. Is this really true? Am I not smart? No, that's
35:48
not true. I'm smart. You know, look, all the things that
35:52
overcome in my life, you know, so I have, you know, I have
35:57
several conversations a day sometimes with the, with my ego
36:01
is this is this true? What's not true, be quiet. I'm smart,
36:08
dammit.
36:11
Alan Carroll: That's really true. The the the, there's a
36:13
psychological philosophy called psycho synthesis, where they say
36:20
that you have to use the metaphor of the orchestra, and
36:24
the conductor. And the individual instruments are not
36:27
playing together. They're each playing their own tune, the
36:31
radical, the liberal, the aggressive, the non aggressive,
36:34
the Mother, the Father, the daughter, that he played
36:36
different roles, depending on the situation. And so the
36:39
radical argues with the liberal, the liberal with the Republican
36:42
or whatever it is, these battles that go on. And they say that
36:46
what you do is you imagine yourself in the movie theater,
36:49
sitting in the movie theater with a bag of popcorn and your
36:52
favorite drink, and you're watching The you create an image
36:57
for the character of Karina the, the the radical? And what's the
37:03
radical gonna look like? What are the needs of the radical
37:06
part of you, the the hippie, or whatever that radical part is.
37:10
And then you have the conservative part, what does
37:13
that part look like, then you have them up on stage, and then
37:16
they start to talk to each other. And as they begin to talk
37:20
about the needs, I have this need, I have this need, I have
37:22
this need, I have that. And pretty soon they begin to
37:25
synthesize, and they call a synthesis. And so then the now
37:29
there's two instruments to play together, then you get two more,
37:32
then pretty soon the conductor, which is the higher self, is
37:35
able to get all the instruments to play the music together. And
37:39
so when you talk about talking to each other, that that already
37:44
means that you have dis identified from something, and
37:48
that you're able to have a conversation with something
37:50
inside of you that before was you. Now you have a friend
37:54
called your ego, it pops up and says hi and talks to you. And
37:58
then you got another part of you, which I'll call the
38:00
observer, observing the ego, the high that the like the higher
38:04
self, or the conductor of the orchestra says, Hey, ego, how
38:07
are you doing today? What do you want? Well, I just gave up here
38:09
some ice cream, okay, good, then go and go over there. And so now
38:12
conducting the conversations, but I have to be able to see the
38:17
different conversations inside of me. When When mindfulness and
38:21
meditation allows you to create a space. Yes, that allows you to
38:26
see, and then you no longer react. Yes, you now respond. And
38:33
there's a world of difference between impulsive controls, and
38:38
non impulsive controls, reactive and most people without
38:42
mindfulness and meditation and holistic healing are more
38:50
reactive. Why no? Wrong? Yes. I immediately will paint the
38:56
interpretation of what they say me immediately without No, no,
38:59
no. This is it's like, you got to recognize that the paint is
39:06
from the past what your mom told you. It's your programming, you
39:10
got to realize that maybe it's not true mom. Yes,
39:13
Unknown: exactly. And you have in there's a thought and you
39:16
attach a feeling to it. What is the thought? What is it that
39:20
thought cause me and what kind of feeling right? Yeah. And so
39:24
that's when you when you work on manifestation, you have to have
39:28
a thought and you have to think about the feeling of their
39:32
thoughts. So like, for example, you want to heal your body,
39:41
right? So you think about healing. You have a headache,
39:45
let's say and you think about that headache is gone and you
39:48
think about not just the headache is gone, but how would
39:51
you feel when the headache is gone? So you attach that thought
39:54
to the feeling and that is very powerful
39:59
Alan Carroll: knowledge We talked about the feeling and we
40:01
talked about the lemon in the mouth. Exactly the feeling of
40:06
anger, righteous anger, that I have about something that
40:12
happened in the past that I hold on to now that that thoughts
40:19
that I have, have with have the emotion attacked, attacked
40:23
attached to it, which then causes me to behave in a certain
40:27
way based on my thoughts and my emotions, which even know will
40:31
cause damage.
40:33
Unknown: There's those called triggers, triggers or triggers.
40:36
Yes. And so when you have that, that thought and that feeling,
40:40
and then you're like, if some, somebody says to you something,
40:43
you know, let's say, somebody said to me, Well, you're stupid.
40:46
Alan Carroll: Well, they're not stupid, you know?
40:49
Unknown: You know exactly what take me back to that feeling.
40:52
When my mother told me, you know, I'm like, stupid, wait,
40:56
who cares? What that person saying that person does not pay
40:59
my bills. Like, that's what I tell my children is that person
41:01
pays your bills, who cares what they're saying. But most
41:04
Alan Carroll: people can't do that. Most people can't. If I if
41:07
I say, Karina, you're stupid. What do you mean, I'm stupid. So
41:11
immediately, there's the automatic defense of the
41:15
identity. And the fact that you're not able to be sucked
41:19
into it means that you have transcended to a place of
41:24
observing that that trigger that you talked about got triggered.
41:30
And most people get triggered, but they'll know they're
41:32
triggered. I just know that you're wrong. And I'm right.
41:34
Yes. But
41:35
Unknown: is that that powerful that I told you? And that
41:39
download came to me on a spiritual retreat? Of like
41:43
seeing people and thinking, Oh, that person's hurt. Yes. Because
41:51
hurt people hurt people. And nobody is in the right mind. I'm
41:55
not, we never call somebody stupid or anything, you know. So
42:00
but maybe back then, when I was really reactive, because I was,
42:04
so I told you the 10 years ago, 1213 years ago, I was a holy
42:08
mess. And I was going through a divorce, my ex husband would set
42:13
me on fire, like anything, he would say, I would just go
42:18
insane. Like these feelings, you know, take over me and I would
42:22
be so angry that I made my and that's you know, like, cause it
42:27
became so became so. So over overcame everything in me that I
42:35
became the press that I like, no longer. Like I had to get out of
42:40
bed and put on a happy face for my children. And then I'll take
42:42
them school and and go back to bed crawl might cry myself to
42:45
sleep, you know, and it's just like I couldn't, like I I'm a
42:49
person that I'm like a doer, right, I get things I couldn't
42:51
figure out how to do things like my brain was just this fog to go
42:56
over. You know, I just couldn't figure out how to get things
42:58
done. I would look at things and I would see the dishes and I'm
43:01
like, I couldn't figure out how to do the dishes like my brain
43:06
couldn't. It was the most horrifying. It was the most
43:09
horrific feeling thinking about now like thinking about myself
43:12
back then. Right? But it was because I was so in such pain,
43:18
such anger and, and fear, you know, fear and Yoda says fear
43:24
leads to anger. Anger leads to hate and hate leads to
43:27
suffering.
43:29
Alan Carroll: You're just pretty smart. Say that say that again.
43:32
I like Yoda stuff.
43:34
Unknown: I did do fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate
43:39
leads to suffering. So basically, suffering comes from
43:47
fear.
43:50
Alan Carroll: Then you ask yourself, fear, fear are things
43:54
that are a threat to your identity. And if you can begin
43:57
to disassociate yourself from your identity, then the things
44:00
that we're fearful are no longer no longer bother you. But in
44:04
order to do that, you have to forgive that which you have said
44:07
is bad that you're afraid of and most people can't forgive. And
44:11
that ties in we do gratefulness, conversation for great
44:15
gratefulness as a shift of complaining about everything to
44:19
you know what there's, I could spend my time complaining. And I
44:23
can spend my time looking at being grateful for being alive
44:27
or being grateful to be in Americans to be grateful for
44:29
being having food and a family for being all of a sudden you
44:33
live in a world of gratitude and gratefulness. And you I like
44:38
what Eckhart Tolle talks about is what you focus on you give
44:41
life support to and so not not focus on gratefulness and give
44:46
life support to gratefulness rather than than get life
44:49
support to complaints.
44:51
Unknown: Your your energy goes where your thoughts go. So
44:55
whatever you think your thoughts go to it, so if it's negative
45:00
You know, then your energy goes towards negativity. And that's
45:03
what you have to focus on positivity, you know, always and
45:06
the unit in when you complain, what is complaining, claiming,
45:11
you're claiming again. So you when you're saying I, universe,
45:16
I'm just using this as an example, I hate my body, the
45:19
universe to say, Oh, she hates her body when she wants to hate
45:22
her body. So I'm just gonna give her more reasons for her to hate
45:25
her body. So it continues to give you what you're claiming.
45:30
So that's why I never ever say anything negative anymore. And
45:35
when I hear people saying things negative, like, I went to visit
45:38
a friend, and she's like, Oh, my God, you gain so much weight,
45:40
and she's talking about her body. And I'm like, going, I'm
45:43
going, you're beautiful. Oh, my gosh, what are you talking
45:45
about? But it's like this so hard, because I had one friend,
45:51
that I would go stop complaining, just You're so
45:54
beautiful, while you keep saying that. And she said to me, who do
45:58
you think you are Jesus or something. So I like I need
46:02
sometimes, you know, you need to be careful how you say to
46:04
people, because you don't want to come across as Oh, you know,
46:07
your hair dries green. So, um, it's just to like, plant the
46:12
seed in the person's mind that just, the more positive in the
46:18
US, the more you will attract to your life positive things. And
46:22
so when I see people saying negative things about
46:25
themselves, it hurts me. And I'm like, No, say that ways, you
46:28
know, because I used to be that person. And just, and you say so
46:33
much that you, your brain doesn't know what you're saying
46:36
is a joke, or you're just saying that you know, it thinks is
46:40
true. So start believing all the things that you're saying. So
46:44
whatever you say your brain believes the universe gives to
46:47
you, you know, it's like it's so don't say it be positive,
46:51
please. And
46:53
Alan Carroll: that's under your control. Exactly. But you have
46:56
to be awake enough to notice that you're you are about to say
47:00
something and you realize, you know, what, is that what I'm
47:04
going to say? Is that going to make the flowers grow in the
47:07
greenhouse, or that can make the flowers die in the greenhouse.
47:10
And usually, attack thoughts are defending of the ego thoughts
47:16
cause the flowers to die, whereas loving thoughts and
47:19
gratitude thoughts make the flowers grow.
47:22
Unknown: So it actually actually there was a scientific, I read a
47:26
whole article about that they put different flowers and they
47:30
would talk to the flowers, different ways, same flower,
47:34
they plant three seeds, okay, and then one and it was saying
47:36
You're beautiful, you're growing so beautiful, you're so
47:39
powerful. And actually the flower grew faster better
47:42
already. And more beautiful. And it's true if you can do that the
47:47
powerful word the the power of words with the flower what can
47:52
you imagine what you can do with your own life
47:55
Alan Carroll: and your own body
47:56
Unknown: and your own body? Yeah,
47:58
Alan Carroll: it was gone
48:01
Unknown: no every day I said thank you for this beautiful
48:04
healthy body. Yep, who only wants to eat healthy foods only
48:11
wants to exercise
48:16
Alan Carroll: thank you for this healthy body that exercise and
48:20
my diets probably not as good as yours my my wife each cycle
48:24
rabbit food she has diets Yes, he is probably the best food and
48:29
so healthy diet is definitely part of the part of the game. If
48:33
people wanted to reach out to you Corinne Karina what would be
48:38
ways that they could reach out and connect with you? So
48:41
Unknown: my websites the best way because you can book a call
48:44
with me on my website is www dot Carina dot life is Ka ri na dot
48:51
life L I F E and we can book a free call and we can see if you
48:58
know whatever you're going through through life, changing
49:01
jobs, relationships, or just wanting to be healthier,
49:07
happier, you know, and I have great ways to help you do it.
49:13
Reach out and we can talk and see for good fit for each other,
49:16
you know.
49:18
Alan Carroll: Perfect, perfect. Yes, it Karina I just really
49:22
enjoyed our conversation. I enjoyed the insights that you
49:28
shared I, I take I take notes as I say it's like going to school
49:32
podcasts like I'm going to school. Yes. And I'm going to
49:36
I'm going to learn things I just didn't know. And you are able to
49:40
take your your experiences moving towards a similar target
49:46
that I'm moving towards in my consciousness and you were
49:49
sharing your experiences intuitively I can get it I can
49:53
get different form to the experiences, but your ability to
49:58
with authenticity. no clarity of thought and enthusiasm and No,
50:04
no, no blockage to the flow of energy was really a pleasure to
50:08
have you on as a guest on the mind for your podcast. And
50:12
there's
50:12
Unknown: Alan, there's no wrong or right way to do it, you know,
50:15
you do what works for you. If it's two hours of meditation, or
50:20
if it's five minutes of meditation, whatever works for
50:22
you, you know, but we'll all gonna get there we will, because
50:26
we're all working towards the same goal is to move out of 3d
50:32
to five D. That's my goal. I want out of 3d I want to get to
50:37
five D. Okay, so let's do it. Chapter. All
50:40
Alan Carroll: right. And I'll salute that banner. Thank Thank
50:44
you very much.
50:45
Unknown: Thank you. Thank you, gratitude. Gratitude
50:50
Alan Carroll: to you. Bye bye Karina curry.
50:53
Unknown: I think sellin