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Erica Ash, Shomari Wills, Laura Foos & Zach Thomas · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: today on money making Conversation Erica ash Farmer Coach Star
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Speaker 1: let you guys know that it's not That's why I
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Speaker 1: got on the show the day to talk about that
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Speaker 1: financial planning, things like that, how to set aside of things.
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Speaker 1: Shamari Wills more House grad Arthur Black four is the
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Speaker 1: story of the first six African Americans who escaped slavery
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Speaker 1: and became millionaires. That to me is such an unbelievable
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Speaker 1: story so let's that I want to hear from the truth,
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Speaker 1: and I got the truth here my next. He has
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Speaker 1: received his undergraduate degree from more House College and Atlanta, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: He's a journalist, writer, and Emmy winning TV producer. He's
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Speaker 1: worked for CNN and Good Morning America. He's the author
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Speaker 1: of Black Fortunes. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation, Samari Wheels. Hey,
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I'm so happy he's happy to be
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Speaker 1: on your show with Honor Hey. But I hope, I hope.
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Speaker 1: I'm the I know your show. But your book been
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Speaker 1: getting out, they've been getting great reviews, and you broadcasting
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Speaker 1: live in Atlanta. Of course you'll be heard on our
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Speaker 1: heart radio podcasts and uh serious X in one for
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Speaker 1: the one and one for the two HBCU campus because
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Speaker 1: I really, I really want to make sure that HBC
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Speaker 1: hbc U campuses get this message because it really is
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Speaker 1: uh it's something about because it's about entrepreneurship, and that's
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Speaker 1: that millennial generation is talking about. That's what they want
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Speaker 1: to be and to hear about people who can talk
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Speaker 1: about overcoming the odds, overcoming a slavery, overcoming racism. I'm
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Speaker 1: overcoming Jim crow Laws, how did you when you started
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Speaker 1: getting to this? Let's give everybody your backstory on what
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Speaker 1: got you started and saying this is a book I
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Speaker 1: should be engaged with. So you know, not to be
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Speaker 1: too long winded, but I started your story and turn
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Speaker 1: your story. I started out in journalism in New York
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Speaker 1: at the New York carab News, which is like the
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Speaker 1: newspaper for the Caribbean community in New York. And I
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Speaker 1: was in Jamaica for for a little while doing some reporting,
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Speaker 1: and I happened to visit this place called Devin House,
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Speaker 1: which you know is a this mansion. It's incredible mansion
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Speaker 1: that has a restaurant and ice cream shot at it,
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Speaker 1: and you know, everybody's like, you gotta go to the the
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Speaker 1: ice cream is really good. You know, I went there,
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's also the house of the first
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Speaker 1: black millionaire uh in Jamaica that they've kind of repurposed
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Speaker 1: as an ice cream shot and all this other stuff.
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Speaker 1: So I just I just went on the tour of
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Speaker 1: the mention. They told me this guy's story. You know,
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Speaker 1: he was a carpenter on a ship, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the eighteen forties shipwrecked. He uh, you know this is
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Speaker 1: right off the coast of Venezuela. He swam to the
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Speaker 1: coast and found a gold mine, uh and became a millionaire.
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Speaker 1: So after you know, you know, find out about him
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Speaker 1: and this is incredible story and all the things he
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Speaker 1: did was as well. I actually thought about writing a
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Speaker 1: book about him, you know, you know, like like like
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Speaker 1: Zara had to come back to the States, so unfortunately
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Speaker 1: I couldn't today in Jamaica forever. So um, what I
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Speaker 1: what I did is I I kind of adapted that
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Speaker 1: idea and I started looking at African American millionaires here
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Speaker 1: and I really wanted to tell the stories of the
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Speaker 1: very first because most folks don't even know, you know,
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Speaker 1: who they are. Well, I definitely on the one I
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Speaker 1: knew was Madam C. J. Walker that you that you
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Speaker 1: cover in this book because you know Black History Month
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Speaker 1: they always bring up. You know, she started basically hair
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Speaker 1: care products and she made her wealth through that. And
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Speaker 1: so when you when you when you talk about her,
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that you said she was the
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Speaker 1: only one that really you know, flaunted her wealth. You know,
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Speaker 1: she bought the car, she bought the ring, she bought
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Speaker 1: the house, and she wore the clothes. You know, So
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Speaker 1: why do you think that she chose that path of saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm making this money and I'm gonna live the lifestyle
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Speaker 1: of what I what I'm making. Um, you know, I
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Speaker 1: think that was always her claim. The thing you know
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Speaker 1: that you know, she kind of lived, you know, a
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Speaker 1: really ostentatious lifestyle. She wasn't the first, you know person
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Speaker 1: you know, she wasn't really the black hair pioneer a
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Speaker 1: lot of folks think she she was. There's another uh
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Speaker 1: woman named Annie Malone who also was a black millionaire
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Speaker 1: who she worked for, and you know, you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: they kind of had a competition thing. It's very controversial, um,
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Speaker 1: you know because her products were basically the same as
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Speaker 1: Annie Malone's when she went out on her own. Um,
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Speaker 1: but you know, she you know just was you know,
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Speaker 1: coming out of the gym crow era, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds and you know, black folks were
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Speaker 1: starting to, uh you know, feel like maybe it's okay
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Speaker 1: to show off some of what we had, and she
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Speaker 1: just kind of took it to the next level. She
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Speaker 1: spent a lot of money. Uh, you know, she shocked
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Speaker 1: or Fifth Avenue. Um. You know, so everybody knew about
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Speaker 1: her wealth, as opposed to the folks who came before her,
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Speaker 1: who had to worry about lynching things, and you know,
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Speaker 1: I had to worry about all sorts of you know,
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Speaker 1: bad things happening to them. So they were a little
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Speaker 1: bit more in the Cutlet was such a stage here
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Speaker 1: because I want people to understand exactly what we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Because we read about today's black billion there as Oprah Winfrey,
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Speaker 1: Michael Jordan, Tyler, Perry, Kevin Harden, many more in their
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Speaker 1: sports and entertainment industry. But your book tells the story
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Speaker 1: about this country's first black millionaires, some of them born
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Speaker 1: in the first half of the n eighteenth century, decades
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Speaker 1: before the Emancipation Proclamation. I think that that's important that
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Speaker 1: people to understand that these people were out there being
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Speaker 1: um industrious in an era where you know, you were
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Speaker 1: supposed to stay in your place, lynching was just a norm. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about you. You talked about six
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Speaker 1: people in the book, Well you talked about more, but
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Speaker 1: six people really were identified to Mary Ellen Pleasant, Robert
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Speaker 1: read Church, Hannah Elias, uh Any Turnbow, Turnbow Malone. Then
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Speaker 1: we had O. W. Gurley, and we had a Madame C. J. Walker.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about each one of them a
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Speaker 1: little bit. I'm not I don't want to give way
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Speaker 1: the book, but I thought it's important that you put
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Speaker 1: your spin on while each one was significant and why
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Speaker 1: you chose to follow their story. And let's start with
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Speaker 1: Mary Ellen Pleasant, you know, who contribute a lot, a
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Speaker 1: lot of money and almost went broke when you tried
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Speaker 1: to further the cause of abolitionist John Brown. Yeah. So,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she actually did end up going broke.
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Speaker 1: I mean, had an incredible story story because she was
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Speaker 1: born free in Massachusetts. I started in Philadelphia. She grew
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Speaker 1: up in Massachusetts on the island of Nantucket, which was white.
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Speaker 1: All the big whaling boom was going on, all the
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Speaker 1: mobile dicks sort of stuff. Would a habit kind of
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Speaker 1: catch whales and become rich that way. She grew up
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Speaker 1: in that and so Nantucket was a boomtown because Welling
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Speaker 1: was really, really, really profitable. Um, when she reached the womanhood,
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Speaker 1: she ended up going to San Francisco during the Gold Rush. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, his folks were making a lot of money
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Speaker 1: out there, and you know, she kind of, you know, miraculously,
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Speaker 1: she kind of knew what to do when she got
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Speaker 1: there because she had grown up in a boomtown. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because it was just booming. So you know, whale oil,
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Speaker 1: you know, which is like the you know, petroleum was
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Speaker 1: like the gasoline of the era. Was its like the
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Speaker 1: second and third most profitable business in America at the time.
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Speaker 1: So you know, she knew what it was like to
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Speaker 1: be in a booming area and you know, how to
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Speaker 1: make money. And so what she did is she went
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Speaker 1: about providing services to the miners. She didn't try to,
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Speaker 1: of course, go mind gold herself. She opened uh you know,
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Speaker 1: boarding houses, She became a money lender. Uh, she traded
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Speaker 1: in silver. She just had her things, her hands and
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Speaker 1: everything in California. And say, but she stayed behind she
10:02
Speaker 1: stayed behind the scene. She stayed behind the scenes. You know,
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Speaker 1: she she she was active. But you know she always
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Speaker 1: you know, worked with men, you know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: times worked with you know, Caucasians. Um. So a lot
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Speaker 1: of folks did not know that she was necessarily the one,
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Speaker 1: you know, sort of with the money, uh and you know,
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Speaker 1: with the insights. So she made a lot of money,
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Speaker 1: and you know, she ended up in eighteen fifty eight.
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Speaker 1: You know, having a meeting with John Brown, you know,
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Speaker 1: the revolutionary started trying to do trying to start a
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Speaker 1: slavery fault in America, and she gave him forty five
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars um, you know, so he he started his
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Speaker 1: slave regard at Harvest Ferry, which failed, of course, and uh,
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Speaker 1: after that happened, you know, folks started trying to track
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Speaker 1: down everybody who was associated with her. So she went
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Speaker 1: into uh, you know, she went into hiding. Uh. You know,
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Speaker 1: she's basically you know, broke or didn't have a to
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Speaker 1: to any of her money at that point. And she
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Speaker 1: had a comeback though, Yes, she made a comeback. They
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Speaker 1: were always visionaries. They were all forward thinking people. They're
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Speaker 1: all people who saw an opportunity and they jumped on it.
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Speaker 1: They didn't then and capitalize on it. And I think
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Speaker 1: that is the story that that I feel that if
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Speaker 1: you're an entrepreneur, and this book is about entrepreneurship, and
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Speaker 1: I feel people should read it if you're thinking about
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Speaker 1: if you're end if your small business owner or or
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Speaker 1: a fortunate company, I feel you should read this book
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Speaker 1: because of the fact that it allows you to understand
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Speaker 1: how you can win against all odds. That's the biggest
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Speaker 1: takeaway I got from your book, Wills. I appreciate that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean, and I think people always ask
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Speaker 1: me like, what did you know? This book takes place
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Speaker 1: so long in the past, you know how to apply
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Speaker 1: to business people now. And I think the trade that
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Speaker 1: these folks had is that they were visionaries, like you said,
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Speaker 1: and they weren't necessarily looking to go into traditional businesses
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Speaker 1: or you know businesses and black people had gone too before,
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Speaker 1: you know, like restaurant owning or grocery stores or catering,
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Speaker 1: which were the biggest businesses for black people at the time. Um,
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Speaker 1: they were looking at high growth, you know, high risk,
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Speaker 1: high reward industries, you know the gold rush, you know,
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Speaker 1: becoming a real estate owner in a rebuilding, you know,
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Speaker 1: southern city building a town. One of the characters in
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Speaker 1: mind Annie Malone, she built the black hair business when
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Speaker 1: there was no such thing. And so they were not
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Speaker 1: looking at, you know, what's the traditional business for people
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Speaker 1: to go into. They were looking at for big opportunities.
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Speaker 1: They were trying to They were really on the cutting
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Speaker 1: edge for their time. And you know, I think that
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Speaker 1: something that applies today with tech and artificial intelligence, and
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Speaker 1: you know, biotechnology. Uh, you know, it would be great
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Speaker 1: to see more black folks trying to be on you know,
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Speaker 1: the cutting edge and taking inspiration you know, from these folks,
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Speaker 1: cause were really underrepresented in a lot of those areas well.
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Speaker 1: I had the same conversation with Lania Richardson, he's the
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Speaker 1: over the Rutgers School of Business. He was saying the
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Speaker 1: same thing, you know, and the drones, um auto you know,
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Speaker 1: automatic cars are just not going to the traditional restaurant,
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Speaker 1: car wash, the services that we tend to fall into
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Speaker 1: on the regular basis. There's so many uh you know,
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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence, there's so many levels of the STEM programs
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Speaker 1: that we need to be rushing into because of the
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Speaker 1: fact that technology is not going anywhere. But I want
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Speaker 1: to just let you know that your book Black Fortunes,
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Speaker 1: the story of the first six African Americans who escaped
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Speaker 1: slavery and became millionaires, is an amazing book. It is
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Speaker 1: a must read book. I've enjoyed. It also has pictures.
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Speaker 1: The thing I loved about the book is just how
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Speaker 1: you allowed the stories to be told. You just didn't
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Speaker 1: do a chapter completely about the story. You showed how
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Speaker 1: they kind of like they kind of cross Paths, and
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Speaker 1: I thought that was really impressive. Mr Wills, I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you so much. If you want
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Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and I say, hey, I
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Speaker 1: want to have you on my show. And he's showing
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Speaker 1: up looking really snazzy with his Chick fil A butt
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Speaker 1: known and that Chick fil A red, which I know
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Speaker 1: very familiar or very familiar, because guess what, I have
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Speaker 1: the app But next days beginnings leadership journey as a
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Speaker 1: chicken farmer, attended the U. S Military Academy at West Point,
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Speaker 1: served as an Army ranger instructor, and a college pastor,
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Speaker 1: but none of this adequately prepared him for the challenge
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Speaker 1: of leading a team of one hundred young adults when
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Speaker 1: he became a Chick fil A franchise in two thousand eight.
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Speaker 1: Please working to Money Making Conversation. The author of Leader Farming,
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Speaker 1: Zach Thomas. It's an honored pleasure. I appreciate it. I
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Speaker 1: wanted everybody to hear your background because I thought it
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Speaker 1: was important when I read the book for people to
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Speaker 1: know while you were a certain way and while you
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Speaker 1: realize you had to change because you know when you
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Speaker 1: go into Chick fil A, and I go on a lot, yes,
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Speaker 1: and it's it's always crowded, and that's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: That means you're you're you're into a franchise that generate traffic.
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Speaker 1: But it also means that what happens behind the counter
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Speaker 1: also is a major reason for the success story behind
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Speaker 1: the Chick fil A. Before we get started to detail,
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Speaker 1: I want everybody to know this that this book What
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Speaker 1: I Like is really a book about employing millennials and centennials.
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Speaker 1: And if you don't know whether millennials, as a person
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Speaker 1: born between eighteen seven and nine in eighteen six, my
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Speaker 1: daughter she's a centennial because she's born in eighteen eighty seven.
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Speaker 1: So so you're writing a life you're talking to my
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Speaker 1: daughter right now and so and you're gen X, which
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Speaker 1: is born six and nine and seventy eight. So I
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Speaker 1: wanted to put all that in because that's that's important
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Speaker 1: to the book to know that here's a guy you was.
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Speaker 1: You was a individual who had this military chaining conservative
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Speaker 1: type tones in your lifestyle. Coming in these these young
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Speaker 1: people that said you're hired, but they always think they
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Speaker 1: could take your job. Absolutely, telling focus through those steps, yes, sir. Well,
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Speaker 1: so again, like you mentioned, I came from a military background,
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Speaker 1: and um, my leadership I was, you know, you just
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Speaker 1: make people do push ups until their arms fall off
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Speaker 1: or cry for their mother, you know, and and so
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Speaker 1: just creating that that fear in them. Um. And and
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Speaker 1: unfortunately that that didn't work very well with millennials and something. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know why. Let's why, well you know, so, so
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you about a little bit about the transition.
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Speaker 1: So I explained it like a pendulum effect. You know.
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Speaker 1: I was all the way over to the far left,
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Speaker 1: you know, with my leadership style and uh and fear based,
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Speaker 1: fear based leadership. And then when I came off active
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Speaker 1: duty into the army, Um, I was playing on going
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Speaker 1: back in the army as a chaplain when in the
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Speaker 1: pastor as a college and singles pastor, and I shifted
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Speaker 1: all the way over to the far right. And I
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Speaker 1: became this somewhat passive leader. And then when I came
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Speaker 1: on board, because I was I was just I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to be that guy anymore. I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be that person that just you know, put the fear
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Speaker 1: of God figuratively in people, and uh and so I
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Speaker 1: shifted a hard, hard right and UM and I began
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Speaker 1: to um to just really adopt the philosophy if you
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Speaker 1: just love everybody enough, they'll do the right thing. Well,
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Speaker 1: when I came on board Chick fil A, that didn't
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Speaker 1: go over very well either. What do you mean you
18:14
Speaker 1: didn't go over? There's nothing negative. We're talking about management
18:17
Speaker 1: styles and talking about motivating young minds that dominate their
18:21
Speaker 1: workforce and also dominating the workforce moving forward. And so
18:25
Speaker 1: with that being said, we're talking about millennials and we're
18:28
Speaker 1: talking to centennials, and we're talking millennials really get bashed
18:31
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot of negative. You know, they
18:34
Speaker 1: how do you motivate their minds? You know, they have
18:36
Speaker 1: this entrepreneurship spirit. They want to run the company before
18:40
Speaker 1: they work for the company. They don't even foresee the
18:42
Speaker 1: whole aspect of retirement is not even part of the mantra.
18:45
Speaker 1: They definitely because you mentioned that the idea of working
18:49
Speaker 1: for a company for thirty years is a is a
18:52
Speaker 1: thing the past, thinking of the past, because they're willing
18:55
Speaker 1: to move around with that type approach. What was the lightbulb?
18:58
Speaker 1: What was the lightbulp? Zach Honestly, I got hit by
19:01
Speaker 1: a car walking across the street, did h so and
19:05
Speaker 1: and not that you know, everybody has to get hit
19:07
Speaker 1: by a car, but I was pretty stubborn. I don't so.
19:11
Speaker 1: I was theestrian walk cross street hit by a car
19:13
Speaker 1: and and um, it's spent a lot of time just
19:15
Speaker 1: thinking about my leadership style and how I was leading people.
19:18
Speaker 1: And you know, for me, again, I've been on both
19:21
Speaker 1: ends of the extreme and I found that neither one
19:24
Speaker 1: was working very well. And you know, some days I
19:27
Speaker 1: would come in and I would be, you know, like
19:29
Speaker 1: Dr Jackal Mr. Hyde. They didn't know which Zack they
19:32
Speaker 1: were gonna get today, And I was just knee jerking
19:36
Speaker 1: in my leadership style back and forth. And I had
19:39
Speaker 1: to be consistent. And I think that's one of the
19:41
Speaker 1: things that you know, millennials are really looking for someone
19:44
Speaker 1: that's authentic, someone that's consistent, someone that is who they
19:48
Speaker 1: say they are and they'll do what they say they're
19:49
Speaker 1: gonna do. Um, not leading out of fear, but also
19:53
Speaker 1: giving them some structure, because I think that what we're
19:56
Speaker 1: dealing with millennials is a lot of failed parenting strategy.
19:59
Speaker 1: Something Fortunately, you know, they've been coddled um and and
20:03
Speaker 1: get a trophy for helicopter parents. Helicopter parent you know,
20:06
Speaker 1: now it's more like the Apache helicopter pairing right now,
20:09
Speaker 1: swooping and take them away. So so yeah, so just
20:14
Speaker 1: just that learning how to to really help them grow
20:19
Speaker 1: up in some of the places where their parents failed
20:22
Speaker 1: to help them grow up. The thing about it is
20:24
Speaker 1: that I when I was reading the book that you
20:26
Speaker 1: wrote called Leader Farming as a Body, Zach Thomas h
20:30
Speaker 1: you a chick rel a Franchi franchise e, and uh,
20:33
Speaker 1: you built that model while you were there. You basically
20:36
Speaker 1: you built on a successful model by the fact that
20:39
Speaker 1: you said, look, if you're gonna hire these entreprenees, entreprenees,
20:42
Speaker 1: young people with this entrepreneurship mentality with your centennials and millennials,
20:46
Speaker 1: how do you communicate Because you talked about you went
20:49
Speaker 1: into that with your traditional wave. You know, if somebody
20:50
Speaker 1: didn't work out, you fired and you hired somebody else.
20:53
Speaker 1: But then your work staff saw that's how you treated
20:56
Speaker 1: people that didn't didn't match your mentality, didn't match your
21:01
Speaker 1: work plan, and that was important for you to have that.
21:04
Speaker 1: You saw that the light that these are the light
21:06
Speaker 1: bulbs I'm talking about because I was that type of guy,
21:09
Speaker 1: and I would tell you this is that when when
21:11
Speaker 1: when I made that shift, it was when I when
21:14
Speaker 1: my life became comfortable. A lot of times you you
21:17
Speaker 1: operate out of fear or that control and command philosophy
21:21
Speaker 1: that you talked about, when you don't trust the environment
21:24
Speaker 1: that you and and my correct and what did you trust?
21:29
Speaker 1: Which is about you or the environment? Well, you know,
21:31
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what the reason why people
21:35
Speaker 1: lead a certain way is one it is for their
21:36
Speaker 1: own insecurities. Um and I think also they want to
21:41
Speaker 1: try to control things. But it's really kind of a
21:43
Speaker 1: myth of control. And so what I realized somewhere along
21:46
Speaker 1: the way was that, like you said, the millennials are
21:50
Speaker 1: very entrepreneurial in their in their spirit. And so if
21:53
Speaker 1: I create this kind of a brand within a brand
21:56
Speaker 1: that says I'm about helping you grow and come the
22:00
Speaker 1: best version of yourself. And so, you know, the small
22:03
Speaker 1: statement that I used to just kind of describe my
22:06
Speaker 1: my leadership philosophy, now as I say, some people grow potatoes,
22:09
Speaker 1: some farmers grow corn. I grow leaders That's what I do.
22:12
Speaker 1: And so it attracts talent. And you know, we're we're
22:16
Speaker 1: an incredible what we call war for talent right now,
22:19
Speaker 1: and we're all competing for for great talent uh and
22:22
Speaker 1: trying to get millennials to to stick around and and
22:25
Speaker 1: um and actually serve in our organizations. But I think
22:29
Speaker 1: it's very counterintuitive. But what I've decided to do is
22:32
Speaker 1: embrace this idea of turnover. Just say, you know, I
22:36
Speaker 1: want to help you for a season, you know, and
22:39
Speaker 1: if that's six months or two years or whatever, I'm
22:42
Speaker 1: gonna embrace this, and I'm gonna help you get to
22:44
Speaker 1: where you want to be in life. And then they
22:46
Speaker 1: in turn actually leave a trail of high performance in
22:49
Speaker 1: my organization. And we know it's really interesting you say that,
22:52
Speaker 1: because I've always had that philosophy. I will always tell people,
22:56
Speaker 1: don't expect to get rich with me. I want to
22:58
Speaker 1: prepare you for your next career. You take the tools,
23:01
Speaker 1: and a lot of times they didn't get it. They
23:03
Speaker 1: didn't see the value of what I was putting in place.
23:06
Speaker 1: And now I get phone calls thank you. I understand.
23:09
Speaker 1: Now I see what you're trying to accomplish in my life.
23:13
Speaker 1: So you're saying that you work for Chick fil A.
23:15
Speaker 1: But you look at that, that's not the goal in
23:17
Speaker 1: our relationship. Our relationship to take the values that I'm
23:20
Speaker 1: teaching you here and use them someplacels. If you happen
23:22
Speaker 1: to become a franchise, which has happened on your leadership,
23:26
Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's a that's the double blessing. But if
23:29
Speaker 1: you don't take these tools, what are some of the
23:32
Speaker 1: usa some of the tools that you say they they
23:34
Speaker 1: that you give them the walk away with, what are
23:36
Speaker 1: some of the tools? So one is really helping them
23:39
Speaker 1: adopt a similar leadership philosophy, that helping them see that
23:43
Speaker 1: you don't have to lead out of fear um, but
23:46
Speaker 1: you actually have to hold people accountable. You can't just
23:49
Speaker 1: be a passive leader either. And so helping them find,
23:52
Speaker 1: you know, the the actual middle ground of leadership to
23:56
Speaker 1: where they can actually love people. But sometimes you may
23:59
Speaker 1: just have to put your arm around him saying I
24:01
Speaker 1: love you, I care about you, but you can't work
24:02
Speaker 1: here anymore easily. About the door, we love absolutely because
24:10
Speaker 1: a lot of people do just job for the check,
24:13
Speaker 1: and that's the worst employee to have. It's just coming
24:15
Speaker 1: to work to pay for the rent. You have to
24:17
Speaker 1: have employees of people who believe in your brands, people
24:20
Speaker 1: who champion your calls. And that's where I took away
24:22
Speaker 1: from your book. You're about creating people when they walk
24:25
Speaker 1: to work, when they come to work, they're thinking about
24:27
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do to make their day, their employer better,
24:31
Speaker 1: to make the environment better. And that's the philosophy I
24:33
Speaker 1: took away from your book. You encouraging genuine enthusiasm for
24:39
Speaker 1: the work environment, and that's really important. That was and
24:42
Speaker 1: I want the people to understand that when I read
24:43
Speaker 1: the book, you know, I want to definitely bring out
24:46
Speaker 1: the young man that wrote the book with you. He's
24:48
Speaker 1: a millennial. Mr stop, Mr Stop. So why did you
24:52
Speaker 1: choose him? So? Jared was a publisher, um, and so
24:57
Speaker 1: we were in the process of negotiating the book contract
25:00
Speaker 1: and there's you know, one price if if he helps
25:02
Speaker 1: you write the book, and then there's one price. And
25:05
Speaker 1: so that's really kind of how it started. But then
25:06
Speaker 1: we realized along the way, like he's a millennial and
25:09
Speaker 1: he thinks this way, and so we were able to
25:12
Speaker 1: really kind of go back and forth a little bit
25:15
Speaker 1: through the content and you know, I'm I'm actually hiring
25:17
Speaker 1: these folks, um and and now really you know, hiring centennials.
25:21
Speaker 1: But we're just on the on the beginning of that.
25:23
Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's just a great mix for him
25:26
Speaker 1: to actually add value into the book. So you took
25:29
Speaker 1: some away from him, and he took some away from you.
25:31
Speaker 1: And the middle ground and the number one goal was
25:34
Speaker 1: to give us a a learning a tool to be
25:37
Speaker 1: able to communicate with a what A what A what
25:39
Speaker 1: A group out there that says that's misunderstood. I have
25:42
Speaker 1: to say it because you know, I always tell people.
25:44
Speaker 1: You know, when I was growing up, I'm pretty sure
25:47
Speaker 1: people thought I was misunderstood. I was too aggressive. But
25:50
Speaker 1: each generation has their own. But you have to admit
25:53
Speaker 1: that you can only be successful if you change. And
25:56
Speaker 1: that's what this book is about. Leadership has to see
26:00
Speaker 1: there's necessary change for different people that you're working with,
26:03
Speaker 1: and though where you shape the opportunity individually, not as
26:06
Speaker 1: a group, correct sir, absolutely, So breaking it down. You know,
26:10
Speaker 1: we talked about farming in the book F A r M.
26:13
Speaker 1: So freedom leading is just that that middle ground of
26:16
Speaker 1: leadership not being command and control and not being passive. Uh.
26:19
Speaker 1: The A is for uh, acknowledging the seasons and embracing turnover.
26:24
Speaker 1: You know, this's this idea of embracing turnover, acknowledging that
26:27
Speaker 1: some people will be with me for a season and
26:29
Speaker 1: some people will will stay with me longer, and but
26:32
Speaker 1: just acknowledging that and accepting that um taking risks. You know,
26:38
Speaker 1: hiring millennials is actually taking a risk sometimes, you know,
26:41
Speaker 1: you're actually sticking your neck out there and saying, I
26:44
Speaker 1: think that it's just hiring anybody, you know, I think,
26:46
Speaker 1: but I think that because of the fact that you've
26:48
Speaker 1: chosen and understood that these are different thinkers. It's very important.
26:53
Speaker 1: I know, if we only have you for one break today,
26:55
Speaker 1: I want to bring you back next month for two
26:58
Speaker 1: breaks because I really feel as important because our broadcast
27:01
Speaker 1: on HBCU Campuses it's Art the country on Sirius Channel
27:04
Speaker 1: one for the two they need to hear and understand
27:06
Speaker 1: that there's a plan and the more people to understand
27:09
Speaker 1: that the Leader Farming what you can get on Amazon
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Speaker 1: type in Leader Farming Zach Thomas. You're amazing and you
27:15
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27:17
Speaker 1: next month? Would love to two breaks, sir, Thank you
27:20
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Speaker 1: services for individuals and small businesses small businesses all year long.
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Speaker 1: He is a host of a show that she said
28:42
Speaker 1: I inspired her to do a weekly tax tip twosday,
28:46
Speaker 1: where she shares tax tips and other financial education tips
28:49
Speaker 1: to live viewers on her Facebook and Instagram pages, as
28:52
Speaker 1: well as answers questions from viewers. The show is called
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Speaker 1: Asked Foods. That's f o S Please work with the
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Speaker 1: money making conferences Asians Laura Foods, Good morning, Good morning,
29:05
Speaker 1: how are you? How's the family? How's mom doing? I
29:13
Speaker 1: gotta saying how to mom because she believes in me. Yes, yes,
29:17
Speaker 1: Mom is doing great. Yes, thank you for asking, Thank
29:20
Speaker 1: you for keeping her in your prayers. She's doing very well.
29:22
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, Now that the young one who's going
29:25
Speaker 1: to college, we're getting ready for college graduations a couple
29:28
Speaker 1: of weeks away. I'm surviving great. Now, let's start that
29:32
Speaker 1: right there. Let's talk about it now. Well, a child
29:34
Speaker 1: going to college. Are there any tax opportunities that one
29:38
Speaker 1: could take advantage of when you have a child going
29:40
Speaker 1: to college? Yes, so there are tax advantages even when
29:45
Speaker 1: your babies are younger. There are a lot of saving
29:48
Speaker 1: college savings plans that you can write off on your
29:52
Speaker 1: taxes every year for when you are saving for them
29:56
Speaker 1: to actually go to college. So that's the first thing
29:59
Speaker 1: that can saying. There are three different educational credits that
30:03
Speaker 1: you can claim on your taxes once your children are
30:06
Speaker 1: in college, and they normally send you a ten which
30:11
Speaker 1: will tell you the numbers that you can claim on
30:13
Speaker 1: your taxes. So education, yes, does give you right off
30:16
Speaker 1: on your taxes. Now, that's important for people to understand that.
30:20
Speaker 1: My daughter, she's in college now, and I get that
30:23
Speaker 1: form and I'm happy when I see it because guess what,
30:26
Speaker 1: no matter how much money you make, you need right off.
30:28
Speaker 1: Always always remember that, always look for an opportunity to
30:31
Speaker 1: write something off. Now, now, now you know people are
30:35
Speaker 1: are being organized. Receipts Okay, you have you have these
30:41
Speaker 1: end of your summaries. You have these monthly summaries. Is
30:44
Speaker 1: if you use your credit card for your business, is
30:48
Speaker 1: it still important to keep the receipts? Yes, I mean
30:53
Speaker 1: your bank statements credit card statements certainly help keep you
30:57
Speaker 1: organized and help you create the summaris if you are
31:00
Speaker 1: ever audited by the I r S, they are going
31:03
Speaker 1: to be looking for the actual receipts um and and
31:06
Speaker 1: they can even go back there. So you're supposed to
31:09
Speaker 1: keep those receipts up to seven years. Which is why
31:12
Speaker 1: I have started recommending to clients online apps that when
31:16
Speaker 1: you make the purchase for your business, you can take
31:19
Speaker 1: a picture of the receipt right then and there and
31:22
Speaker 1: store it, you know, in the clouds with online because
31:25
Speaker 1: a lot of times, after several years, your receipts will
31:27
Speaker 1: you know, begin to disappear as well. So I have
31:30
Speaker 1: been encouraging people to be organized with using these online
31:34
Speaker 1: apps that us right on your phone. You could be
31:37
Speaker 1: organized your receipted there if you're ever audited um but yes,
31:42
Speaker 1: credit cars and bank statements hell, because you should not.
31:45
Speaker 1: You should not be mixing the I r S. Will
31:47
Speaker 1: does not want to see mixing personal and business items anyway.
31:51
Speaker 1: They need to be completely separate. Now I'm on the
31:55
Speaker 1: phone with Foods Financial Services. She provides tax in preparation
31:59
Speaker 1: service with individuals and small businesses all year long. She
32:03
Speaker 1: has a show that she does on her Instagram and
32:05
Speaker 1: Facebook page called Ask Foods as f o S tell
32:10
Speaker 1: us about that and why did you start it? Yes,
32:13
Speaker 1: well I think I really started it, okay, because you
32:16
Speaker 1: kept going after me that we have to tell people
32:18
Speaker 1: and educate people. And I have been enjoying this show.
32:22
Speaker 1: I mean, we do have a good time or tax
32:24
Speaker 1: Tips Tuesday, a p m. Easter standard time. We have
32:27
Speaker 1: a great time because a lot of questions come up.
32:30
Speaker 1: But unfortunately taxes is you know, people are so afraid
32:34
Speaker 1: of it because we don't talk about it. We don't
32:36
Speaker 1: educate people about it. And I can't believe that people
32:39
Speaker 1: are grown people with children and houses and businesses and
32:42
Speaker 1: they really do not know how taxes work or where
32:45
Speaker 1: does the refund come from? Or why did I owe?
32:48
Speaker 1: So I really started it because I have the knowledge
32:51
Speaker 1: and I like to share the knowledge. And then in
32:54
Speaker 1: in return, I think by continuing to add value to
32:57
Speaker 1: people the same way you do with money making conversation,
33:01
Speaker 1: then then that helps my business grow because then people
33:05
Speaker 1: can see, Okay, I kind of know a little bit
33:07
Speaker 1: about what I'm talking about. So instead of me from
33:10
Speaker 1: software is trying to do it on my own, let
33:12
Speaker 1: me ask to help me with my taxes. Yes, so
33:16
Speaker 1: we did so when you because you brought up money
33:18
Speaker 1: making conversations. You know, I have man making conversations Facebook
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Speaker 1: and Instagram. Can I share your broadcast on my Money
33:25
Speaker 1: Making Conversation Facebook page? Yes, yes, because I do want
33:31
Speaker 1: to share, Yes, so we can figure out how to
33:35
Speaker 1: share them. I haven't figured out because Facebook Life has
33:37
Speaker 1: now changed their logarithms. Can't figure out how to get
33:41
Speaker 1: it from Facebook lives to you to my YouTube channel. Um,
33:44
Speaker 1: is what I would prefer to always go back there,
33:47
Speaker 1: just on my page YouTube channel. I remember she was
33:51
Speaker 1: just just just there, just by that she got YouTube
33:54
Speaker 1: channels Instagram. I've been We talked this up to when
34:00
Speaker 1: I just had to tell you how special you are
34:02
Speaker 1: and your vision and your ability to communicate has to
34:06
Speaker 1: be taken to Now are you are you sent me
34:08
Speaker 1: a video of your own appearing on one of the
34:10
Speaker 1: local TV shows. How how is that part of your
34:14
Speaker 1: life growing and that part of public speaking, you being
34:16
Speaker 1: able to talk about your you know the world of Laurel.
34:20
Speaker 1: Tell me about that, okay, Um, yeah, so I just
34:23
Speaker 1: did recently Channel nine news, so I shared tax tips
34:27
Speaker 1: on our local DC news. Um. And so certainly, of
34:30
Speaker 1: course all of these things that you know make me
34:33
Speaker 1: very nervous and I get anxious, even though I enjoy
34:35
Speaker 1: talking to you and I love it, but of course
34:37
Speaker 1: I always have anxiety and you know, the talking and
34:40
Speaker 1: are you gonna say the right thing? Um? But I
34:43
Speaker 1: think as as you continue to want to go to
34:46
Speaker 1: that next level, you have to force yourself to be
34:49
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. So I think over the past six months
34:52
Speaker 1: or even probably the past year working with you, I
34:55
Speaker 1: have continued to try to put myself in uncomfortable situations
34:59
Speaker 1: or in rooms that I would normally not go in
35:02
Speaker 1: because I was uncomfortable to be with those people. You
35:06
Speaker 1: always wanted to be the star of the room, and
35:08
Speaker 1: now I've learned for me to grow and do better
35:11
Speaker 1: and be better, maybe I need to be in rooms
35:13
Speaker 1: where there's a lot of stars there and I want
35:15
Speaker 1: to grow to their level. Um. So if your encouragement,
35:19
Speaker 1: I am continuing to make myself being fearful positions so
35:23
Speaker 1: that I'm overcoming those fears. So I think the more
35:26
Speaker 1: you do it, the better you get, the more comfortable
35:29
Speaker 1: you get, and realizing that everybody is human. So sometimes
35:33
Speaker 1: I am gonna say, um, too many times, I'm gonna
35:36
Speaker 1: stumble sometimes, and that's okay. Because you don't say, you
35:39
Speaker 1: know a bunch of time, we're good. You say, oh,
35:42
Speaker 1: but you know, you know you can't be in the
35:44
Speaker 1: tax business and say you know that's true, because I
35:48
Speaker 1: know you don't know. That's why you need to call
35:51
Speaker 1: as up. Let's talk about some of the some of
35:55
Speaker 1: the tax file on the stakes that people make on
35:57
Speaker 1: a on a regular basis that you encounter. Like you said,
35:59
Speaker 1: you are shocked that people aren't aware you and it
36:02
Speaker 1: feels that should be common sense. What are some of
36:04
Speaker 1: the tax filing mistakes? Well, the biggest mistakes is that
36:09
Speaker 1: the tax season deadline is tomorrow tomorrow? Is it tomorrow?
36:14
Speaker 1: April seventeen? Tomorrow, Tuesday, April seventeen at midnight? That is it?
36:22
Speaker 1: So that is the biggest mistake because they charge you
36:26
Speaker 1: a five percent penalty up to a twenty percent penalty
36:30
Speaker 1: every month that you file late. So if you are
36:33
Speaker 1: not ready, I know you're trying to avoid it. If
36:35
Speaker 1: taxes is not going to go away, so you might
36:38
Speaker 1: as well get over that part. It's not gonna disappear.
36:40
Speaker 1: But if you cannot do it by tomorrow, you have
36:42
Speaker 1: got to file an extension which shall give you an
36:45
Speaker 1: automatic extension until April fifteen, so we can avoid that
36:49
Speaker 1: late filing penalty. Do you? Oh, it does not. Um,
36:54
Speaker 1: you're not pushing back that you know the amount of
36:57
Speaker 1: money that you owe. You say you said an extension,
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Speaker 1: com on the phone with as a as a star.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell her she's a star because I admire
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Speaker 1: her talents. She can do dramedy, she can do comedy,
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Speaker 1: and I cannot do either. I've tried that acting thing.
40:07
Speaker 1: I realized that I could tell jokes, but I can't act.
40:10
Speaker 1: My next kiss was a serious regular one of my
40:12
Speaker 1: favorite shows on Stars Survivors Remorse as the infamous m
40:16
Speaker 1: Chuck and betrayed Kevin Hart's ex wife on bt s
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Speaker 1: fake reality series The Real Husbands of Hollywood. She is
40:24
Speaker 1: now starting in a new series on BT which I
40:27
Speaker 1: saw the pilot called in Contempt. Please welcome the money
40:31
Speaker 1: making conversations, Erica Ash, thank you so much. Well, I
40:36
Speaker 1: try to get it all out there, Erica. I try
40:38
Speaker 1: to get it all out there that well, you know,
40:42
Speaker 1: the thing about it is that you have a body
40:43
Speaker 1: of work, and I feel that that's that's important. And
40:46
Speaker 1: uh and you're still young. And I tell people all
40:50
Speaker 1: the time and when I see a talent like you,
40:53
Speaker 1: did you ever do stand up comedy? You know, it's interesting.
40:57
Speaker 1: I tried it and realized that it wasn't for me.
40:59
Speaker 1: It was a little it to um, it was a
41:03
Speaker 1: little I just I just I didn't feel connected to
41:05
Speaker 1: the work, and so I thought, you know, I I
41:09
Speaker 1: there are so many other things that I feel far
41:11
Speaker 1: more connected to, like writing and okay, okay, Erica, Okay,
41:15
Speaker 1: let's let's go and be a real here now. Was
41:17
Speaker 1: it the silence in the audience that they made the
41:20
Speaker 1: disconnect because I'm a stand up coming? Actually, you know,
41:23
Speaker 1: I was actually challenged to my very first stand up experience,
41:28
Speaker 1: and I was I was told don't go to the
41:30
Speaker 1: j spot because the chance of the prow spot. I
41:35
Speaker 1: sure did. I sure did, and I told it so funny.
41:38
Speaker 1: I was on Steve Harvey the other day and I
41:40
Speaker 1: told him that I went, and he was like, yeah,
41:41
Speaker 1: I heard about you. So I went there because I
41:44
Speaker 1: was you know, I stopped, well, that sounds like a dare.
41:46
Speaker 1: Don't dare me? And I actually got a standing ovation
41:50
Speaker 1: my first time. Okay, okay, okay, Yeah, so it wasn't
41:53
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily that. And then you know I got
41:56
Speaker 1: I think I maybe got one boo in all the
41:58
Speaker 1: times that I tried one boom. That's good, that's good
42:03
Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, and I and I tried all the
42:06
Speaker 1: tough ones. I didn't. I didn't go the easy round,
42:08
Speaker 1: like I was like, let me just dive straight in.
42:10
Speaker 1: But it was just I don't know, It's just it
42:12
Speaker 1: was a little like I found. I found the environment
42:15
Speaker 1: amongst the comedians backstage just a little bit too heavy.
42:19
Speaker 1: It is. It is very competitive and it's very um
42:23
Speaker 1: jail house like, you know, because they peered through the bars,
42:26
Speaker 1: you know, looking at you and not really supporting you.
42:29
Speaker 1: It's really an environment where, especially for females. And I
42:33
Speaker 1: gotta just say this because you know I've been doing
42:36
Speaker 1: stand up commed is one Steve Harvey now and jail
42:40
Speaker 1: but we're all we're all good friends. So you you
42:42
Speaker 1: you're throwing out names that I'm very familiar with in
42:44
Speaker 1: the stand up comedy industry and also legends in the
42:47
Speaker 1: constant up comedy industry is that the female, if you're
42:51
Speaker 1: back there, you you're not gonna be respected. If you're
42:53
Speaker 1: an attractive female like you, they you're gonna want to
42:56
Speaker 1: get hit on. They're gonna want to hit on you.
42:58
Speaker 1: And it's just so much as you have to deal in.
43:00
Speaker 1: All you just want to do there is just work
43:02
Speaker 1: when your craft. Could I just be funny? Yah? Can
43:04
Speaker 1: I just be funny? I got I got that. I
43:08
Speaker 1: think the final straw for me was when someone came
43:10
Speaker 1: and told me, if you want people to laugh at
43:13
Speaker 1: you joke, you can't be pretty. You need to, you know,
43:16
Speaker 1: dumb it down. And I was like, I don't know,
43:18
Speaker 1: you have to let me be great. You gotta come
43:21
Speaker 1: out there with your hair scattered. You know what I'm saying.
43:23
Speaker 1: Your hair got to be scattered. It looks like a
43:25
Speaker 1: crackho its rhys the you know. Because but I'll tell
43:32
Speaker 1: you what. I'll tell you what. There are people who
43:33
Speaker 1: have done it and done it successfully, like you know,
43:36
Speaker 1: it tips me hattish of course, the more you know,
43:39
Speaker 1: just like like beautiful women who have who have, and
43:42
Speaker 1: there's several others. I'm just you know, top my head.
43:45
Speaker 1: But no, it's no problem when you say that because
43:48
Speaker 1: I know which exactly what you're dealing with in that world.
43:50
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about you know, let's talk about you.
43:53
Speaker 1: What I thought was it was the role of a
43:56
Speaker 1: lifetime for you at that point. You've done a lot
43:59
Speaker 1: of different things. M chuck on the on the show
44:03
Speaker 1: Stars survivor More. Because I just want everybody know because
44:05
Speaker 1: a lot of people may not recognize that name, but
44:07
Speaker 1: they need to know they recognized you from those commercials
44:10
Speaker 1: because you were very physically active. Use the aggressive character,
44:14
Speaker 1: use an independent character. Tell me what you loved about
44:17
Speaker 1: that character before we move on to your next projects.
44:20
Speaker 1: I just loved how how comfortable she was with who
44:23
Speaker 1: she was and how free she was to speak on
44:26
Speaker 1: all the things that she thought. You know, a lot
44:28
Speaker 1: of people are sort of restricted by their by their class.
44:31
Speaker 1: You know, I'm one of them. I grew up very um,
44:35
Speaker 1: sort of in a strict household with a mother who
44:39
Speaker 1: was very conservative, and um, you know, I'm a double
44:42
Speaker 1: p k to to pre prepare what I said, watch
44:47
Speaker 1: what I did. And you know, I was always told,
44:50
Speaker 1: like the world was watching you, you better be careful.
44:52
Speaker 1: And you know, m Chuck is just he was a
44:54
Speaker 1: different energy. She was so fresh and free and like
44:57
Speaker 1: she would say things and then she think about it,
44:59
Speaker 1: you know, And I was like, I like this, and
45:02
Speaker 1: so I would I would embody that fully when I
45:06
Speaker 1: played her, and sometimes when I didn't, you know, she
45:11
Speaker 1: freed she freed me up a little bit. It's just
45:14
Speaker 1: kind of be a bit more, you know, Mouthie. And
45:17
Speaker 1: and you know, well, you know when you went to
45:19
Speaker 1: when you went to that graveyard, you know, when your
45:21
Speaker 1: graveyard say, you know that was the That was a
45:24
Speaker 1: moment for me, you know, oh, thank you, thank you.
45:28
Speaker 1: That was that was a moment for me too. It
45:29
Speaker 1: was out there, it was cold. I was like, wait,
45:33
Speaker 1: you really want me to actually like pull my pants
45:35
Speaker 1: down and go to the bathroom my ear. Let me
45:38
Speaker 1: tell you something. We're gonna do it together as a group.
45:41
Speaker 1: So when y'all say take another, take another, take, y'all
45:44
Speaker 1: realized I love you did that. I love you did that.
45:47
Speaker 1: I love you. That's a ch everybody pulling their pants
45:50
Speaker 1: down today. That's m Chuck moved. That's that's I love that.
45:54
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the fact that you know, we want,
45:57
Speaker 1: you know, we will talk about your experience and working
46:00
Speaker 1: with Kevin Hart, you know, basically an improvisational show, and
46:04
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we want to go back a
46:06
Speaker 1: little bit because Matt TV was your I want to
46:08
Speaker 1: see your entry into television and your first big break.
46:11
Speaker 1: Could I say that Matt TV? Yeah? Yeah, okay, Now
46:15
Speaker 1: so you Matt TV. You know scripted, he was a writer.
46:19
Speaker 1: Uh did you go to Now you have this amazing
46:21
Speaker 1: opportunity with Kevin Hart on a basically show where improv
46:25
Speaker 1: plays a lot. Were there any fears or you just say, hey,
46:29
Speaker 1: I'm going forward. What were your thoughts? Because I mean comedy,
46:33
Speaker 1: comedy is my default as a person like Erica, Like
46:36
Speaker 1: you know, I love making jokes and being funny and
46:39
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm very quick with it. I am. I'm
46:41
Speaker 1: always you know, clapping back and popping off when they
46:46
Speaker 1: get with somebody like Kevin. That's just like, let's go
46:48
Speaker 1: play in the sandbox, you know, so we we. It
46:51
Speaker 1: was a fully scripted show. It was not meant to
46:55
Speaker 1: be improv but you know, you get all those funny
46:58
Speaker 1: guys together, That's what I'm saying. You know, Erica, it's
47:02
Speaker 1: not going to not happen. There you go, there you go.
47:04
Speaker 1: And then you had to be ready going that line
47:06
Speaker 1: what you were supposed to say. You couldn't just look
47:08
Speaker 1: at it like that. You a script. No, you have
47:11
Speaker 1: to roll with it. And that's why I enjoyed competitive. Yeah,
47:14
Speaker 1: and I'm competitive. I'm not gonna let y'all. I'm not
47:16
Speaker 1: gonna let y'alla flap flap, flap flap. And I don't back,
47:22
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I was like cool, Yeah,
47:25
Speaker 1: Iron Sharper's Iron And that was the best best comedy
47:28
Speaker 1: chopcast ever. Now let's talk about the new show in Contempt.
47:32
Speaker 1: That's gonna take us into the next break. But I
47:35
Speaker 1: just want to set a stage for how great you
47:37
Speaker 1: are as a comedian, the greats that you work with,
47:40
Speaker 1: your dariness and it comes is. I don't have to
47:42
Speaker 1: ask this question. Is in Contempt? Is that a drama?
47:46
Speaker 1: T or drama? You know, we have we have yet
47:50
Speaker 1: to officially categorize it, but I've heard I've heard draw
47:57
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I've heard drama the most. And that's just
48:00
Speaker 1: because people, Um, you know, I can't do anything and
48:03
Speaker 1: not bring some time to it. So if it's if
48:09
Speaker 1: it's if it's something super serious, there has to be
48:12
Speaker 1: moments of levity because you know, I'm I just don't
48:15
Speaker 1: believe that life is that. I don't believe that life
48:18
Speaker 1: is all serious and you know, heavy and sad, and
48:22
Speaker 1: you know, we got to work, We got you know
48:26
Speaker 1: what I mean, We have to really we have to
48:28
Speaker 1: find those moments of levity in order to keep our sanity.
48:31
Speaker 1: And I'm happy to be the one to bring it.
48:33
Speaker 1: But the interesting thing about it, because I know they're
48:34
Speaker 1: not writing there's a drama that's That's why they asked
48:37
Speaker 1: you that, because I know you know when you when
48:39
Speaker 1: when when it was pitched, you know it was pitched
48:42
Speaker 1: as a drama. But you just so naturally and your
48:46
Speaker 1: co stars are just aligning themselves right with your with
48:49
Speaker 1: your actions, which is really really dude, which really really entertaining.
48:53
Speaker 1: So before we leave for this break, quickly tell every
48:55
Speaker 1: about exactly what INCA tip is. Well in attempt is
49:00
Speaker 1: a one hour law procedure. It's the first of its
49:03
Speaker 1: kind on b ET. So I'm glad that they're you know,
49:06
Speaker 1: they're taking such huge risks, um, but it's from the
49:09
Speaker 1: perspective of the public defender, whereas most that you will see,
49:12
Speaker 1: like Law and Order, from the perspective of the district attorney.
49:15
Speaker 1: So my character, Gwen Sullivan is you know, very headstrong,
49:21
Speaker 1: very very determined and passionate public defender who is willing
49:24
Speaker 1: to do anything to get her clients fair shake. Let's
49:27
Speaker 1: break down some of your character so that are rarely
49:29
Speaker 1: rather emotionally charged. Sing you have with your father in
49:33
Speaker 1: the restaurant, played by the amazing Richard Lawson. You have
49:36
Speaker 1: a relationship really made me and Beyonce sisters absolutely which
49:41
Speaker 1: is awesome. You know, just uh Coachella was she headlined,
49:45
Speaker 1: first black woman ever to headline Coachella. So she's amazing.
49:49
Speaker 1: You know. The great things about you is that in
49:52
Speaker 1: this in this show, like I said, the one hour
49:55
Speaker 1: drama is on BT in contempt, it's a drama, but
49:59
Speaker 1: your natural look seems to be the pool comedy moments.
50:03
Speaker 1: Tell tell us about the characters on the show and
50:05
Speaker 1: what excites you about the series. Well, the thing that
50:09
Speaker 1: I'm most excited about is it's something that you haven't
50:12
Speaker 1: seen before. And you know, we've got a great, great task.
50:16
Speaker 1: I mean, Richard Lawson that you just mentioned plays my father.
50:20
Speaker 1: Um we have Christine Keith making Hutchins moving to Treyo
50:23
Speaker 1: a Ronnie Road Jr. Um And everyone is really really
50:27
Speaker 1: committed to making sure this story gets told authentically. Um Our.
50:32
Speaker 1: So Runner was a public defender in New York for
50:34
Speaker 1: a number of years and so she lends that to
50:36
Speaker 1: the script. When I read the script, it was a
50:39
Speaker 1: total page turner. So that's the first thing that attracted me.
50:42
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that our characters are real
50:44
Speaker 1: and they're relatable. You know, they do this awesome job,
50:47
Speaker 1: but they have the same issues that everybody else has
50:49
Speaker 1: and in their jobs and in their lives, you know,
50:52
Speaker 1: like when has a shopping addiction. She's also addicted to
50:55
Speaker 1: flame bolts, and she's a gee. She's got two lovers
50:58
Speaker 1: like you know, you know what I mean, like notice
51:04
Speaker 1: and something I would love to adopt from Gwen because
51:08
Speaker 1: my game is like blatlining um. And then you've got
51:13
Speaker 1: you know, she likes the box and they have their
51:17
Speaker 1: inner office situation. Your office is in the closet. Your
51:21
Speaker 1: office is in the closet. That's where you're operating out of.
51:24
Speaker 1: Well actually technically my office is not in the closet,
51:29
Speaker 1: but which you'll you'll probably see UM episodes, but that's
51:33
Speaker 1: kind of my that's my war room. Okay, cool, good Now.
51:37
Speaker 1: One character I do like it. I don't know her
51:39
Speaker 1: name was the young lady who was at this large
51:43
Speaker 1: firm and now she's coming over here. I really liked
51:46
Speaker 1: her character. Really is she is, She's she's going to
51:49
Speaker 1: be a serious regular that that character. Yes, love her
51:53
Speaker 1: character because because it's a it's a very honest character
51:56
Speaker 1: where she has chosen to come into a field that
51:59
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same h tools that can help you win,
52:03
Speaker 1: and so you write basically like basically, uh, put in
52:07
Speaker 1: the position just to get to the next case or
52:10
Speaker 1: to get these people in the position to be able
52:13
Speaker 1: to sustain some type of life and uh and and
52:16
Speaker 1: win with And I feel that that's the that's the
52:18
Speaker 1: biggest thing that came out of the public defenders, that
52:21
Speaker 1: these people are walking into situations where they cannot win,
52:25
Speaker 1: right or it's like walking into a battle royale with
52:28
Speaker 1: like one hand tied behind your back. It's like go.
52:31
Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's not it's not a great situation.
52:34
Speaker 1: And it makes you realize how underappreciated public defenders are.
52:38
Speaker 1: I think next to teachers, they're one of the most
52:39
Speaker 1: underappreciated in the country. You know, career choices and um,
52:44
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's important that we support them because
52:46
Speaker 1: they don't get their under resource. They're understaffed, they're underfunded,
52:51
Speaker 1: and even information wise, they're not even required by law
52:53
Speaker 1: to get the information. At the same time as the
52:55
Speaker 1: district attorneys. You know, the police work with the district attorneys,
52:59
Speaker 1: and so I viously it behooves them to give the
53:04
Speaker 1: district attorney as much of a leg up as possible
53:06
Speaker 1: so they can justify it when a crooked cop makes
53:09
Speaker 1: a bad arrest or someone makes a bad idea, and
53:12
Speaker 1: you know, because which was in the pilot episode was
53:15
Speaker 1: a bad idea about that young man who when you
53:18
Speaker 1: walk to him, you said, plead out, plead out, and
53:20
Speaker 1: he refused to plead out. And yeah, you know, the
53:23
Speaker 1: thing about it that I like about the show is that,
53:26
Speaker 1: you know, it has lawyers as the lawyers for you
53:29
Speaker 1: as a woman, and has lawyers for you emotionally dealing
53:32
Speaker 1: with cases that you're passionate about. In a case, in
53:34
Speaker 1: that situation, you're about to walk away and just say
53:37
Speaker 1: plead out, and you look at this young man, Okay, look,
53:40
Speaker 1: let's go forward. Let's go forward. And yeah, and a
53:43
Speaker 1: lot of times that's what happens because they're they're they're
53:46
Speaker 1: so backlogged in the court system, you know. Um. These
53:49
Speaker 1: new laws to try to expedite things even more just
53:52
Speaker 1: restracate me to no end, because I'm like, the court
53:55
Speaker 1: systems already backloged. That's the reason why the jail cells
53:58
Speaker 1: are so full. People can't afford these elf you know, um,
54:01
Speaker 1: And so they you know, they have to await their
54:03
Speaker 1: trials there for you know, days, weeks, years, even police brother,
54:08
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then they end up
54:10
Speaker 1: serving time, doing time for the crimes they haven't even
54:14
Speaker 1: been convicted of you when you do a show like this,
54:17
Speaker 1: you do a show like this in contempt, you know,
54:19
Speaker 1: because I felt that the character you play, M Chuck,
54:21
Speaker 1: what's an emotionally charged character? And I feel that the
54:24
Speaker 1: character you played on this show is an emotionally charged character.
54:27
Speaker 1: And what is your biggest walk away when you when
54:30
Speaker 1: you when you accept the role or are you are
54:33
Speaker 1: your audition for a role? What are you trying to
54:35
Speaker 1: accomplish on the screen or film? Right? Well, first of all,
54:40
Speaker 1: I want my characters to have some sort of growth,
54:42
Speaker 1: some sort of um um evolution, right, And if I
54:48
Speaker 1: can see them going there, it doesn't have to be
54:51
Speaker 1: fully you know, in the first season or the first
54:54
Speaker 1: you know, a few episodes, but I need to know
54:56
Speaker 1: that they're on the path to something like us being
54:59
Speaker 1: better somehow, because I like to use every character in
55:02
Speaker 1: some way to motivate someone. Right. I love to speak
55:05
Speaker 1: to people. I love to speak to young girls. I
55:07
Speaker 1: love to speak to young men um and and and
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Speaker 1: talk about you know, their life and their choices. And
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Speaker 1: so when I have a character that I can kind
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Speaker 1: of use to support that and back that up. That's
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Speaker 1: you know, I find that that's a win. That's a
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Speaker 1: win for everybody. They're entertained, but they're learning something. You know,
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Speaker 1: It's something that I can be proud of. When I
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Speaker 1: have kids one day, I can you know, I'll have
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Speaker 1: a body of work that I'll be able to share
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Speaker 1: with them and not be like, but don't look at
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Speaker 1: this because mommy was in a bad space. What you did?
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Let's talk about the situation that.
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Speaker 1: What I want to talk about is this next upcoming movie,
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Speaker 1: this coming out this summer, that's right in your comedy lane.
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Speaker 1: That's writ in your comedy lane. You know, I can't
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Speaker 1: throw it all away now, I got to I got
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Speaker 1: to keep some of it. I got to keep that comedy,
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Speaker 1: that comedy leg going. Now. I got my boy a
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Speaker 1: little real in it. That's one of the stars from
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Speaker 1: get Out. If you don't know who Wheels, he played
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Speaker 1: the security the t S a agent and get Out,
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Speaker 1: very funny young man. Who's really who's rising? Tell us
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Speaker 1: a little bit about your character before we get out
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Speaker 1: of here. And also, everybody in contempt it's on b ET.
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Speaker 1: She's starting it and I'm talking to Erica ashe So
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Speaker 1: Uncle Drew is a story of uh little rel who
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Speaker 1: wants to uh be at the Rutger You know. He
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Speaker 1: basically takes the last bit of money that he has
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Speaker 1: and wants to wants to be a coach at the
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Speaker 1: Rutger Park because he just knows he can win. Um,
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Speaker 1: his team ends up falling apart and he's got to
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Speaker 1: put together a new team and it's kind of last many.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have a lot of time. He hears about
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Speaker 1: Uncle Drew, who was like this you know legend at
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Speaker 1: first tall tale he thinks, and then he makes him
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Speaker 1: in person and realizes, Wow, this guy is really good.
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Speaker 1: So you know, we road trip and travel around to
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Speaker 1: try to get the whole team together. Yeah, Erica, thank you.
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Speaker 1: I hope it was amazing. It was amazing interview for me.
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Speaker 1: Keep winning. I'm a fan. You can see are BT
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