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E35: Beauty, Marriage and Overcorrection with Zuby · The Lila Rose Show

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  Both divorces and happy, successful marriages have a
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  contagion factor. Why do you think so many young
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  men and even a lot of young women, are afraid of marriage?
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  It's because they saw it fail for their parents.
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  The thing that makes me most crave and desire being with a
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  woman for life and having a bunch of kids and living that
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  happy life is seeing other people doing it.
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  Zooby, thanks for coming on the podcast.
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  Good to see you. All right, so we talked about
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  some other stuff over at the Live Action exclusive Space and,
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  but just for people listening who don't know who you are,
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  you're a very interesting person.
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  You've got a lot of background here.
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  But for people who don't, who may not know you yet, who's
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  Zubi? Sure, So and.
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  What's your last name? You are like Zubi, but what is
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  the? Last name.
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  I love the fact that people know me just by the one.
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  My last name is Udeswe. But yeah, I'm a rapper.
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  Author, podcast host, public speaker and coach.
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  Born in England, raised in Saudi Arabia, family background from
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  Nigeria and international traveler.
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  A lot of people know me for a lot of different things.
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  Some people know me through my music, other people through
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  social media, Twitter in particular, others through my
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  stuff I do with like health and fitness.
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  Suffered into health and fitness books.
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  One for adults called Strong Advice.
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  One for children called The Candy Calamity.
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  So a lot of people all over the world know me for a lot of
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  different things. But ultimately I'm someone who
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  uses my voice to communicate messages of common sense,
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  positivity, independence, self improvement in all aspects.
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  My goal is to positively inspire and impact over 10 million
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  people. I'll probably ramp that up to
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  100 million people. So yeah.
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  Was that your original goal when you started?
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  The original goal was to positively impact and inspire
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  1,000,000 people, and given I have more followers than that
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  just on Twitter now, I would like to think I've achieved that
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  first one. Nice, I like this.
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  Use the Twitter for good. It's like it can be done, right?
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  It's tempting sometimes not to like sometimes I want to go at
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  people, but I I resist. I try to be Christ like.
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  That's good, OK, You try to be Christ like.
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  So it sounds like faith is a motivation here.
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  Yeah, one of many. Tell me about.
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  Tell me about that. I think it would.
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  Be Christ like. What does it mean to be Christ
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  like I think it means to try to behave and treat other people in
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  in the way that Jesus would. It's sort of sort of what it
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  says on the tin and. We're gonna get one of those
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  tins. Yeah.
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  So that's a. Good little business idea right
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  there. So I think, you know, a
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  combination of stoicism, patience, trying to, you know,
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  obviously being loving and being kind towards people, generosity,
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  trying to be helpful. I live my life honestly trying
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  to be in service of other people.
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  And it's funny because people who don't know me or don't
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  really pay attention or just see little bits or whatever here,
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  you know, I've had people, this is random people on the
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  Internet, not people who know me in the real life, but you know,
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  people who think, oh, you know, Zooby is arrogant or selfish or
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  self-centered or whatever, or, you know, lacks humility.
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  It's like if I were actually those things, I wouldn't be able
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  to do the things that I do and I wouldn't have chosen to because
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  in many ways, yes, I love my life, but I've made my life a
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  lot harder than it sort of needed to be.
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  Through many of the decisions that I've made and all this
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  adventure I'm going on. If I didn't have a genuine love
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  and passion for my fellow human beings, no matter how much they
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  annoy me sometimes, I wouldn't be able to travel the way that I
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  do and connect with all these people and do all these
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  interviews and podcasts and live events and make all this music
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  and write books. All of that stuff to me is
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  trying to nudge humanity in a positive direction.
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  It's why I'm so into health and fitness.
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  It's not just about having big biceps or you know, having a six
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  pack or whatever. It's like, I want people to be
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  healthier, right? I want people to be healthier
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  physically, mentally. I want people to have better
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  relationships with themselves and with other people.
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  I want people to maximize their own potential and skills and use
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  their voices and their skills and their talents and their
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  experiences for good. I want people of all different
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  sorts of walks of life to be able to coexist peacefully and
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  not be at each other's throats all the time, not be trying to
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  hurt, kill, maim one another, all all of that stuff.
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  And it's challenging because, you know, we've got 8 billion
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  people in the world. Human beings are extremely
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  complex. And there's never been any time
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  or place in human history where you have some sort of like,
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  perfect peace and it's all kumbaya.
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  And by definition, it's impossible for even two people
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  to agree, agree on absolutely everything, let alone 8 billion
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  people with all these different perspectives and cultures and
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  languages and barriers. But I do think that we can, I do
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  think we can always do better and we can encourage people to
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  think about various issues and situations, try to see things
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  from different perspectives, try to empathize with one another,
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  and ultimately try to treat people, try to try to treat
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  people well. And I think if you, you know, if
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  you can do a lot of these things, then you'll not only
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  will you be of service to others, but I think you'll also
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  be be, you'll be happy. You'll have purpose and meaning
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  in your life and you'll be content.
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  And I think there's, I think we need more of that.
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  I I love what you're saying. I feel like there are other
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  voices who profess similar things like, oh, I want the
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  world to be in harmony. I want to serve other people.
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  I want to do good. Like I think Bill Gates and his
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  best moments would probably say similar things, right.
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  But I what I like about you and you know, one of the reasons
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  I've actually had you over and we were talking about like the
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  pro-life fight is because you're not just toeing the party line
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  when it comes to sort of the global philanthropist or
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  humanitarian is trying to do good for the world.
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  But they live by a certain of liberal, let's say liberal, but
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  political ideals. And at large, usually they're
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  pro abortion, you know, they're pro population control.
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  So you have this sort of, you know, you're speaking a language
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  that I think resonates with most people, but you're holding fast
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  to certain moral realities that you are willing to clearly say
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  this is a moral reality, You know, strong to kill a baby in
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  the womb. You know, you talk about
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  marriage, you talk about abstinence.
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  Like we don't, you know, going around and sleeping with a bunch
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  of women is not the way to go. I mean, you're, you're sharing
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  these messages. So what shapes that?
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  I mean, you mentioned Jesus Christ.
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  So you know, the, the number one influence.
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  But where did you get that more unique voice?
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  Because it is, it is pretty unique on today's scene.
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  I would I feel like it is. I don't see it a lot.
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  I. Mean, like Tony Robbins, you
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  know, we'll profess some of your ideals maybe in some of the
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  stuff he says, but he's never going to be brave and say
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  abortion's wrong. And like, go out and be
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  courageous, A courageous voice for that kind of a moral truth
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  in a, in a world where, you know, 60 million children have
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  been killed in the US alone, right?
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  So this isn't just some tiny social problem.
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  It's like the greatest one. Yeah, well, I think the the
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  reality is that we live in a time and in a society, and
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  perhaps we always have, where people don't want to rock the
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  cart, people don't want to rock the boat.
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  People don't want to risk offending other people stepping
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  on other people's toes, being criticized, being called names,
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  being called any type of, you know, bigot or phobe or ISM or
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  schism. But do.
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  They do they not want to rock certain votes because like Bill
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  Gates, I think some people hate him for the vaccines or they
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  hate, you know, vaccinating malnourished populations and
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  everything, or that's just for your big pharma or they hate him
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  for pro abortion stuff. But so he doesn't care about
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  some people's opinions, but there's other opinions he cares
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  about. So it's like, whose opinions do
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  you care about? Yeah, well.
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  Yeah. And also like you're saying that
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  large is this sense of people don't want to get in trouble for
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  what they say. Yeah.
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  I on a, on a deep level, if you want, if you want the deep
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  answer, I would say that I fear God, then I don't fear humans,
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  right? I'm not afraid of being.
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  I'd rather be cancelled by man than cancelled by God, right?
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  And I, I mean that on a deep level, right?
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  Not just saying it as a as a cool sound bite, but I do not
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  have this fear that most other people do of Oh my gosh, if I
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  say the wrong thing or I tweet the wrong thing, I'm going to be
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  cancelled or I'm going to lose my job or they're going to come
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  on my sponsors or this or that. And, you know, I have also put
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  myself in a position in terms of my career and my finances and
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  how I've set out my life that I'm largely autonomous and
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  independent. I mean, we all rely on other
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  people to some degree, but I'm not someone who's just got an
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  employer who people can like ring up and, you know, complain
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  to my manager and, you know, get me to lose something.
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  I'm isn't even as a musician, I'm independent.
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  I run and control my own label. And, you know, I distribute my
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  music independently. My podcast is totally
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  independent. Everything I do is independent.
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  I don't have a lot of these attack vectors where if I'm
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  courageous but I've got cowards behind me, then they throw me
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  under the bus. So I position myself in a strong
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  position. But even outside of that, I
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  don't if I'm saying something that I know is true or I simply
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  believe to be correct. I mean, what's the point of
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  having freedom of speech if you are terrified to use it, right?
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  In our countries, in the UK, in the USA and all these nations,
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  people, you know, freedom of speech, freedom versus liberty,
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  you know, fight, fight for the fight.
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  People say all this stuff, but then they're absolutely
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  terrified to say what they actually believe, right?
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  How many people in this country were afraid to say that they
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  voted for Trump? How many of those people in this
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  country are afraid to openly, publicly tell people that
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  they're Christians? I'm.
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  Afraid to say I didn't vote for Trump.
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  Cancel Cancel. No, but you'll get, you know
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  what I'm saying. But it depends who you're
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  talking to. To some degree, yeah.
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  Right, but So what? I'm not I.
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  Have shared that publicly, but but the point is I get more
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  Flack in the world that I'm in. I get more Flack 1000% for
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  saying yeah I didn't vote for Trump, then for saying that I
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  do. So it depends on your Yeah.
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  So it. Depends on what the present
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  company you're in is or who your tribe online is or whatever,
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  right? Because people want you to fit
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  very cleanly into a box. And then every assumption they
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  have about that box, they just apply to you and everyone else
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  who they've thrown into it. And that means you don't need to
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  get to know a person, right? There's no nuance there.
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  It's just, OK, you fit this box. So I just expect you to adopt
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  all these other things and to have done all these other
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  things, believe all these other things.
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  Cool, nice, clean. And it's, it's a very sort of
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  binary view. I, I joked on I, I, I said it
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  jokingly, but I think it was maybe one of my more profound
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  comments the first time I was ever on Joe Rogan.
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  And I said, we're living in a day and age where politics is
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  binary, but gender is a spectrum, right?
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  So it's like people want to fit people in very clean boxes.
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  You know, you're on the left, you're on the right, you know,
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  you're a red, you're a blue and you're all these things or
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  you're all these things. And there's no nuance.
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  There's no middle ground. Well, they.
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  It's funny because the the the left does pick their black and
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  white moral issues, but they're just like the inverse.
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  Like, you know, even like with abortion.
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  Oh, absolutely you should have the right to have an abortion.
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  It's like it's a black and white for that.
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  But then another moral issues, they're going to say it's all
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  nuance and Gray. Yeah, I mean.
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  There's the same people who saying you know that, you know,
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  a man can be a woman or a woman can be a man, or you can be
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  neither or you can make up your own whatever.
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  And then 2 seconds later, it's, you know, follow the science,
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  listen to the, you know, and it's like, you know, make up,
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  make up your mind. But I guess all human beings are
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  critical to some degree. Nobody's, nobody's perfect with
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  it. Yeah.
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  So for you, when you're on this journey to influence millions of
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  people, what do you and you want them to be healthier.
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  I think you talked about their physical health and you want
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  there to be more peace. But what is, you know, you've
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  lived a really interesting life. You've been in Saudi, you know,
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  spent years growing up in Saudi Arabia, UK, you've travelled the
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  world. How many countries have you been
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  to? 37, I think 30.
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  Seven countries. What's your favorite country, by
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  the way? I have different ones for
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  different reasons. Nuance.
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  Yeah. Nuance, nuance, different thing.
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  You know, there's places I like to visit, but I maybe wouldn't
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  want to live there so. USA would be Is that USA?
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  The USA is my favorite country in certain aspects.
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  It's the best country for I It's the one that I have the most
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  fans and supporters in. It's the one that most majority
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  of my business comes from. It's got incredible diversity.
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  It is still, I think, the country with the greatest
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  opportunity overall, regardless of who you are or what sector
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  you are in this. You know, there's a reason that
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  the American Dream is an existing term.
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  There's no such thing as the French dream or the British
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  dream or the Australian Dream. The American Dream is a real
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  thing. It's why so many immigrants can
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  come over to this country and just, you know, crush it 'cause
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  they can take advantage. They can see number one, and
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  then take advantage and feel grateful for all these
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  opportunities that perhaps a lot of native people themselves
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  don't even see 'cause they're just used to it and it's their
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  default and they haven't really seen outside of it, so they take
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  it for granted. So the USA is great in many
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  regards. You know, I, I, I, I like the
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  UK, but I wouldn't want to live there again.
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  Obviously I'm drawn to, you know, I grew up in Saudi Arabia.
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  I do like Saudi. I'm drawn to the middle, the,
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  the Middle East in general. I like the UAEI like a lot of
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  European countries. I've been to, you know, Czech
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  Republic many times. I liked it over there.
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  I've been to Hungary. I liked it over there.
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  I like Central and Eastern Europe in general because I
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  think they've got a good balance between, for lack of better
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  terms, conservatism and liberalism.
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  They're still kind of like, they're just saying you kind of
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  have all the rights and freedoms that you would in somewhere like
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  the UK. But they haven't gone, they
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  haven't gone woke. They haven't gone into all the
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  nonsense. They've maintained some of their
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  traditions and things like that. But there's so many beautiful
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  parts of the world. I I've been to a lot of
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  countries, but I genuinely feel like I've barely scratched the
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  surface. There's, I haven't even set foot
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  in South America. Oh.
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  Wow, That's going to be a big one.
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  Yeah. How many countries do we have,
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  right? We were talking about this
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  earlier, so you said one. 95 depends on exactly how they're
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  counted. 5 yeah, most most people would say 195 or 196.
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  I think you've got, it can go up to like 205 I think if you
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  include like not, you know, you have these kind of like
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  independent territories and things like that.
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  It depends on how you count it. OK.
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  But you're already at 37. I think I'm only at like 15 or
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  something. So you're, but you're, you're,
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  you're getting there. I mean, so when you go to Latin
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  America, I mean, I'm curious what your thoughts are going to
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  be. But going back to like, so
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  you've been all these places. What do you think is the most
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  important thing missing today in public discourse?
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  That is basically that people, because they're, they don't
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  understand it. This thing, these things,
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  they're miserable. They're hurting each other,
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  they're hurting themselves. I would say perspective and
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  gratitude. And this is one of the reasons
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  why I'm a big advocate for travel and an advocate for free
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  flow of conversations, because we all have a default, right?
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  If you are born and raised in Los Angeles and you barely leave
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  California and you've never left the USA, your default is a
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  certain mindset and way of seeing the world.
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  And you're surrounded by people who also are going to see the
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  world the same way. And you've, you know, yeah,
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  there, yeah, there'll be some diversity there intellectually
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  and in other ways. But it's a very limited
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  perspective. If somebody is born and raised
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  in, I don't know, in Jeddah, in Saudi Arabia, and they've never
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  left the country. They've never been to the West
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  at all. They haven't even been to other
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  Arab countries that like, that's just what they see and what they
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  know or, you know, someone raised in a village in China or
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  wherever it is, it doesn't matter.
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  That's, that's everyone. That's your baseline, that's
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  your default. But if that's all you have, then
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  sure, you can meet people from other places and, you know, you
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  can read Wikipedia articles and you can go on Google and learn
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  and read books about other places.
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  But until you actually go somewhere and you meet people
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  and you experience the culture and the way of life and the
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  climate and just the way things look and all of that, you won't
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  have a, you won't have a great baseline 'cause you have nothing
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  to compare to, right? So I think it's good to just
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  even have different reference points to compare things to.
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  So the the way even you being able to ask me the question,
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  like, what is your favorite country?
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  If I'd only been to 1, I I'd just be like, well, you know,
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  England, right? That's where I was born.
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  It's the best, right? And it's like, well, how do you
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  know? Like you haven't been anywhere
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  else. You might think England is the
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  best. And who knows, maybe it could be
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  out of the one of or you. Or you idealize a country you've
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  never been to or don't really understand.
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  Yeah. And, and I find that travelling
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  absolutely gives people a a wider perspective.
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  And with that perspective comes a sense of gratitude and that
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  and that goes in all directions. It gives you a better
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  perspective and gratitude for your own home country.
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  You can actually see the things you know, as an American who's
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  traveled to 14 or 15 other countries and you have those
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  reference points. You can go, hey, look, these are
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  the things the USA actually is doing really well at.
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  These are the things that are great that we should be proud
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  of, that we and then you can also be, you know, these are
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  also things we can improve on, right?
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  I went to this country and that country and you know, I was in
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  Europe and like, actually the food quality was a lot better,
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  right? The food wasn't full of garbage
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  ingredients. Not everything was full of soy
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  and vegetable oil and high fructose corn syrup.
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  And I could eat the wheat and I didn't feel bloated and this and
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  that. So, oh, maybe we could learn
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  some things from Europe. Oh, you know what?
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  I went to that place. And the way that they manage
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  this aspect or their architecture or whatever, it's
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  actually way better than it is over here.
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  Like, yeah, I mean. That you can't debate with
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  architecture in. Europe, yeah.
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  So yeah, 'cause it's just. Old and beautiful.
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  Exactly. Most of modern architecture is
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  just such a it's horrible, an unbelievable nightmare.
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  There's a few bright spots, but it's just like, what were we
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  thinking? I think this is, I think it's
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  because, you know, the the truth is the most beautiful buildings
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  and the most beautiful art in the world is created to honor
• 18:07
  God. If you think about it right, the
• 18:09
  most beautiful buildings in the world, the cathedrals, you know,
• 18:12
  like churches, you know, some of these mosques, some of the
• 18:14
  paintings and the statues and all this stuff.
• 18:16
  Typically these were designed and built by religious people to
• 18:21
  hire honor the the highest thing.
• 18:23
  Architecture today is just about functionality or.
• 18:26
  Not even it's. Some of it's not even function
• 18:29
  anymore. But but that, but that's all it
• 18:30
  is. It's just functional.
• 18:31
  It's like, well, why should I, you know, I've, I've actually
• 18:33
  had this debate with people because, you know, I was talking
• 18:36
  to some, some of my Christian American friends and I was
• 18:38
  talking about how like when I'm in some parts of the USAI can't
• 18:41
  tell if something is a bank or a church or a gym or a Walmart.
• 18:45
  Like it's the same building, right?
• 18:47
  Like there's, there's churches that look like Pizza Hut.
• 18:50
  And I'm like, you know, it's good to have a church, but why
• 18:53
  not make it beautiful, right? Like.
• 18:55
  They kind of floss the sense of what is beauty.
• 18:59
  And part of that's arrogance maybe, and part of that's
• 19:01
  ignorance, arrogance because we see kind of beauty like you go
• 19:05
  out and see like Saint Peter's, you know, in Italy and you're
• 19:08
  like in Vatican City, you're like, Oh my gosh, this is
• 19:11
  beautiful. But if you're ignorant of it,
• 19:14
  it's hard to it's hard to do it yourself, right?
• 19:17
  And then if you're arrogant about it, like I can do
• 19:18
  something, I'm gonna do something more like inventive.
• 19:21
  And then you go and create Pizza Hut.
• 19:22
  But. That's what because you, you
• 19:23
  have that perspective, right? A couple weeks ago I was at the
• 19:26
  the Duomo in Milan. Unbelievable, unbelievable.
• 19:31
  Just I was in awe outside, inside, just looking at.
• 19:34
  I was like this. I was like you.
• 19:35
  No one makes stuff like this anymore.
• 19:37
  Like this does not exist with all our.
• 19:39
  Technology, yeah. It's crazy.
• 19:41
  You think this was built 100. It made hundreds of years ago
• 19:44
  and the intricacy and the detail, I'm like, gosh, like the
• 19:45
  amount of thousands of years of man time that was just put into
• 19:50
  this to honor God and to create this, you know, building of
• 19:55
  worship, even even just in terms of the art, in terms of music,
• 19:58
  paintings, all these things, you know, they've all they've all
• 20:01
  gone downhill. And again, I think that's kind
• 20:02
  of that's kind of inevitable if you know, it's just come.
• 20:07
  And I think people have also forgotten that beauty in itself
• 20:09
  is a function. There is value in something
• 20:13
  being beautiful. What?
• 20:14
  Is beautiful. How do you define beauty?
• 20:17
  Wow. It's a combination of objective
• 20:20
  and subjective standards. Are we talking about?
• 20:25
  Are we talking about buildings? Are we talking about women?
• 20:28
  Are we talking about? Well, there's a sort of like
• 20:31
  there's a sort of, you know, all perfect beauty is going to be
• 20:34
  true and it's going to be good and there's harmony to it,
• 20:40
  proportionality to it. And I think there's principles
• 20:43
  that cross from a woman to a building to a, you know, meaning
• 20:47
  like in in the human person. Like there's, if you see
• 20:50
  goodness and truth in someone, usually they're seem beautiful
• 20:53
  to you, like overall. And then obviously with their
• 20:56
  face and their features and stuff.
• 20:57
  Beauty often includes symmetry. Yeah.
• 21:00
  It's hard to describe, but you know when you see it, right?
• 21:03
  You know when you see it. Even someone who doesn't really
• 21:05
  think about these things, if you show, OK, here's an ugly
• 21:07
  building, here's a beautiful building.
• 21:08
  Like everyone can tell, Everyone can tell the difference.
• 21:11
  You know, you know when it comes to people, when it comes to
• 21:15
  anything, right, a beautiful table versus an ugly table,
• 21:18
  people can tell the difference. So exactly how to verbalize
• 21:22
  that? I'm not sure why are.
• 21:23
  People creating such ugly stuff now though, because I think
• 21:26
  you're right. I think when you see it, you
• 21:27
  know it. You're kind of captivated by it.
• 21:29
  That's the power of beauty. But we're producing such ugly
• 21:33
  stuff. I have two perspectives on this
• 21:35
  actually. I've never even thought of this,
• 21:37
  but as soon as you asked it, I, I, I think one part is just like
• 21:41
  I said, just the, the, the laziness and the and just
• 21:45
  something just being functional, right?
• 21:47
  As long as it functions, it doesn't need to.
• 21:49
  We don't need to go beyond functionality, right?
• 21:51
  You can just have a grey box ugly building and you know, as
• 21:54
  long as it does its function and it doesn't fall over and even.
• 21:56
  The functionality is often really limited, Yeah.
• 21:58
  Because it's like, what funk to what end function like so I can
• 22:01
  go eat my KFC. Yeah.
• 22:03
  As opposed to I can have a beautiful meal with my family
• 22:05
  and like, honor my family with this beautiful space or.
• 22:07
  Yeah. And.
• 22:08
  The lower the ideal, the lower the standard for the beauty,
• 22:10
  right? Yes.
• 22:11
  So that is why. That is why the most beautiful
• 22:13
  buildings are things like cathedrals, right?
• 22:16
  Because that is to ultimate, that is to honor the ultimate
• 22:19
  good, right? And then if you have a a place,
• 22:22
  you know, the room in your where you eat your family meals is
• 22:25
  probably going to be more beautiful and you will make it
• 22:27
  more beautiful than the room where you eat your snacks with
• 22:31
  your coworkers. Or park your car.
• 22:33
  Or park your yeah, exactly right.
• 22:35
  Because they're they're different levels and standards.
• 22:38
  So I think the reason why there's not as much beauty being
• 22:40
  created in the world right now is because that ultimate highest
• 22:44
  power, fewer and fewer people are believing in that and
• 22:48
  creating things in honor for that.
• 22:50
  So that's why you just kind of fall back into the
• 22:52
  functionality. I do think that there is also a
• 22:55
  bit of a cynical thing that's going on with some elements of
• 22:58
  society where things are being uglified intentionally.
• 23:04
  Yeah. I think there there is a bit of
• 23:07
  an attack on beauty and an attack on aesthetics and you,
• 23:12
  you, you see it, right? Like there's even I don't know
• 23:16
  when it comes to to modeling, right, If you female models
• 23:19
  right there was OK, Like we want them to be beautiful.
• 23:22
  We want to have a certain standard that's aspirational,
• 23:26
  right? It's not just about looking like
• 23:27
  the complete average person. It's like it's aspirational on a
• 23:30
  Men's Fitness magazine, right? You don't just want the average,
• 23:34
  average American or British man on the front cover.
• 23:36
  No, you want the guy who's like super Jack fitness model with
• 23:39
  like amazing proportions and shoulders and pecs.
• 23:41
  And it's it's an aspirational figure.
• 23:43
  You look at superheroes, Superman, Batman, spider man,
• 23:46
  cyclops, like they're all jacked.
• 23:48
  You know, you can see their ABS through there.
• 23:50
  You can see their ABS through their outfits, everything like
• 23:52
  that. And it's, it's an ideal, right?
• 23:53
  It's it's something that, you know, a young boy or a young man
• 23:56
  is like, oh, cool. You know, I want, I want to look
• 23:58
  like Arnold, I want to look like Sylvester Stallone.
• 24:00
  I want to look like Batman, I want to look like Superman,
• 24:02
  whatever. And I think there's something
• 24:04
  cool about that aspirational thing.
• 24:07
  Whereas now it's like, oh, no, that's an unrealistic body
• 24:10
  standard, right? You know, we're going to harm
• 24:12
  people's mental health and this and this let's let's make I
• 24:14
  mean, if you go in the stores now, some of the mannequins are
• 24:16
  fat, right? Like the mannequins that they
• 24:18
  hang the clothes on. And you know, there's on the
• 24:21
  cover of women's magazines in particular, like they'll might
• 24:24
  just put a morbidly obese woman on there.
• 24:27
  But do you? Think the extreme can go in both
• 24:28
  directions? Oh.
• 24:29
  Oh, absolutely. Because.
• 24:30
  I think the kind of the, the, the, you know, the oversized
• 24:34
  mannequin or the plus size mannequin in some ways is a
• 24:38
  response to another extreme, which is like a hypersexual
• 24:41
  synthetic version of women. And so I think, I think that the
• 24:46
  intentions are mixed, right? I do think there's intentions,
• 24:49
  I'm sure from some that ideologues are like, we're just
• 24:52
  going to like suppress beauty as, as it like true beauty and
• 24:56
  just kind of create, I don't know, sameness or in their
• 25:00
  pursuit of diversity. Basically to say, well,
• 25:02
  everything is equal, right, in terms of its beauty.
• 25:05
  So you're not allowed to say one thing is more beautiful than
• 25:06
  another. But at the same time, like there
• 25:09
  are like true beauty is not a, a, you know, a thin, a super
• 25:14
  skinny model, right? I don't I, I, I mean, you can
• 25:17
  make that argument of course, but I think there's a there's a
• 25:21
  thread here that can be positive.
• 25:24
  There, there can be. Look, I think, I think we, I've,
• 25:27
  I've, I say this often that we live in the age of
• 25:30
  overcorrection, right? If you think about it, this,
• 25:33
  This is why I think so many, This is why I think so many
• 25:36
  people liked the 1990s and the 2000, the, the, the 1990s and
• 25:40
  the 2000s I think were, that's why it's, it's a factor.
• 25:43
  But I think that's when most Western countries achieved the
• 25:48
  harmony and optimal balance, right?
• 25:52
  Stuff was just balanced. It was like, OK, cool, we've
• 25:54
  overcome the the racism and the sexism and the vicious
• 26:00
  homophobia and the segregation and all these other things
• 26:04
  throughout these decades, previous decades and centuries
• 26:06
  that right, that people got wrong and that people were just,
• 26:09
  you know, way too much hostility and division and mistreatment of
• 26:13
  people, right? We've overcome that level of
• 26:15
  genuine bigotry and we just have this moment, this 20 year
• 26:21
  period, let's say where cool. Like we've we've just got the
• 26:25
  balance. People are not at each other's
• 26:27
  throats. The political climate isn't
• 26:28
  crazy. Yeah, sure, you've got
• 26:30
  conservatives and liberals, but they're not like at each other's
• 26:32
  throats. There's not a major, they
• 26:34
  weren't major culture war like not not like it is now.
• 26:36
  We're having major culture wars going on and things are so
• 26:39
  polarized that, you know, even if you say that, you know, a man
• 26:44
  doesn't get pregnant, that that was not a conservative statement
• 26:47
  just, you know, 10 years ago or 20, let alone 20 years ago.
• 26:51
  So I think that what's happened is everything has overcorrected,
• 26:55
  right? So this is now where you get the
• 26:57
  quote UN quote anti racist movement has become racist,
• 27:00
  right? The quote UN quote feminists
• 27:03
  have become, you know, in some cases man hating, you know,
• 27:07
  almost female supremacist types or you've got the other branch
• 27:10
  of it where they don't even know what a woman is anymore.
• 27:12
  And they've actually adopted switched into becoming a not
• 27:16
  even a men's rights movement, but like confused men's
• 27:21
  supremacy movement that dominates women and even
• 27:23
  threatens them if they don't get on board.
• 27:25
  You had the people who even do support abortion go from safe,
• 27:29
  legal and rare. It's a necessary evil.
• 27:31
  Don't don't really like it, But maybe, you know, we need this
• 27:33
  thing to, you know, shout your abortion and abortion is good
• 27:37
  and abortion is pro social and, you know, people making tik toks
• 27:40
  of them going to whoa, like massive overcorrection.
• 27:43
  You see it in the political discourse, right?
• 27:45
  The way that you can go on social media now and you'll
• 27:48
  you'll see old people who should know better, people who are 70
• 27:51
  plus throwing insults and vicious barbs at each other on
• 27:55
  social media like their children on a playground, right?
• 27:59
  In the past, yeah, there was always put political discourse
• 28:01
  that could debate, it could get spicy.
• 28:03
  But the level of personal attacks and pettiness and just
• 28:07
  childlike behavior, like it's all, it's all just
• 28:10
  overcorrected. It's just, you know, it's it's
• 28:12
  gone, all right? We've we overshot the mark on
• 28:15
  all these things happening simultaneously.
• 28:17
  You could argue that absolutely, you know, if you go back to the
• 28:20
  to the 80s or 90s or maybe even before that, you know, this
• 28:25
  female ideal of, you know, the ultra skinny size 0 anorexic
• 28:29
  type looking model that is being kind of put in everyone's face.
• 28:34
  OK, that's encouraging. Even in some cases eating
• 28:37
  disorders and body dysmorphias and stuff like that for young
• 28:40
  girls. OK, maybe we want something
• 28:42
  that's a little more in line with, you know, a health, an
• 28:46
  actual healthy body and what a woman most one more of what
• 28:49
  women look like. But Nope, we overshot.
• 28:52
  Now you're putting morbidly obese people on magazine covers
• 28:56
  and telling people, telling women they can be healthy at any
• 28:58
  size. Fat is beautiful, big is
• 29:00
  beautiful. You know, anyone who even has a
• 29:02
  problem with that, it's because they're a bigot or because men
• 29:05
  are sexist or actually, if you don't like obese women, it's
• 29:07
  'cause you're racist. I've seen that argument and it's
• 29:09
  just like, what are we, what are we doing here?
• 29:11
  Right? So I think all of these things
• 29:13
  are examples of overcorrection and it's causing a lot of
• 29:17
  problems. I I've said before something
• 29:19
  I've quoted a few times, it's a quote of mine, I'm quoting
• 29:22
  myself, but I've said that any, any social movement without a
• 29:26
  clearly defined finish line will end up becoming what it
• 29:30
  initially sought to fight against, right.
• 29:32
  So if you start out wanting to combat this thing, but you, you,
• 29:37
  you, you achieve the goal or you achieve the balance and you just
• 29:40
  keep on going, eventually the people pushing that become the
• 29:44
  actual bigots and the genuinely intolerant and well, that's.
• 29:47
  So true. I mean feminism is case in point
• 29:49
  there. And I I've gotten criticism for
• 29:51
  daring to say that the original feminists got it right when it
• 29:54
  came to yes, women are equal to men in dignity and they should
• 29:58
  be treated equally under the law and yes, they should be able to
• 30:01
  vote and work. But then we took the power that
• 30:03
  we had and we weaponized it against men and we weaponized it
• 30:08
  even the worst against children. And now to be a feminist is to
• 30:11
  be pro abortion. It's absolutely disgusting.
• 30:15
  And that that was part of the problem in the 90s too.
• 30:17
  So there was I'm here. I mean, how old were we in the
• 30:20
  90s? I think you're just a few years
• 30:21
  older than me. But like, how?
• 30:23
  I mean, yeah. I mean, so it's hard to, you
• 30:26
  know, I think we always look back.
• 30:28
  I think this is older generations too.
• 30:30
  And you look back at your childhood with Rosie colored,
• 30:32
  rose colored glasses, like it was good in the old days.
• 30:34
  You know, now the kids are crazy.
• 30:37
  But you know, we had horrible abortion rates, even higher
• 30:39
  actually in the 90s than we have now.
• 30:42
  But it's because feminism is like, OK, we won these things,
• 30:45
  but now we want what we need to keep.
• 30:47
  We're just going to keep fighting.
• 30:48
  You know, it wasn't just we. We got the right to vote.
• 30:50
  We got the right to work, the right to not be fired if we're
• 30:52
  pregnant. And now it's like, we're going
• 30:54
  to go kill babies. Yeah.
• 30:55
  And and what, and what's funny is you know, the other elements,
• 30:59
  Oh gosh, I didn't even bring over the oh, the biggest
• 31:01
  overcorrection, the whole LGBTQ plus 2A APXYZ movement, right?
• 31:07
  I mean, you started literally as LGB, LGB, like every couple of
• 31:11
  years they're literally adding letters to the thing.
• 31:13
  The LGB is not even relevant anymore.
• 31:14
  It's all about the T now and the T's and the Q's and it's again,
• 31:19
  it's, it's overshot its mark. It went from it went from hey,
• 31:22
  hey, you know what? Let's stop like, let's stop gay
• 31:27
  bashing. Let's stop like being viciously
• 31:30
  discriminatory and calling people the F word.
• 31:33
  And you know, doing this and doing that, Let's be let's have
• 31:36
  genuine tolerance in society and not mistreat people based on
• 31:41
  these various things, right? That was the original thing,
• 31:45
  right? Actual cool.
• 31:46
  Like, hey, we want, we want equal rights.
• 31:48
  We want fair treatment. We don't want to be bullied and
• 31:50
  beaten up and harassed on the street.
• 31:51
  Well, it's one thing to not get like, you know, obviously if you
• 31:53
  have same sex attract, same sex attraction, you should not be
• 31:56
  bullied, you should not be fired.
• 31:58
  You shouldn't. I mean, you, you have equal
• 32:00
  dignity and I think equal rights to anyone else.
• 32:02
  But that's different than saying now I'm going to redefine
• 32:05
  marriage and say I should have the same marriage rights and I
• 32:09
  should be able to adopt children and do all of these things.
• 32:11
  Like that's another step. So like the tolerance means
• 32:14
  different things to different people.
• 32:16
  It does. It does for.
• 32:17
  Tolerance for, you know, LGBT movement today.
• 32:19
  It's like we should be able to, you know, have the same rights
• 32:22
  as a man woman marriage. We should be able to get adopt
• 32:25
  children, create children via surrogacy and IVF.
• 32:27
  Like there's no basically a child doesn't deserve a mother
• 32:30
  and a father. That's not even a consideration
• 32:33
  anymore. Well, you know, I'll tell you a
• 32:36
  a a rights movement that I think our societies probably need as a
• 32:40
  children's rights movement. Why does that not exist?
• 32:43
  I think let's do it in in many I'm working.
• 32:46
  On it a little bit over here yeah, I.
• 32:48
  I think, I think in a lot of ways, so true the the solipsism
• 32:52
  and selfishness of adults is being put over the younger
• 32:59
  generation, right? So there's so many situations
• 33:02
  where children are not even being considered right in, in a,
• 33:06
  in a healthy society, adults are willing to sacrifice themselves
• 33:09
  for children, at least at a minimum, sacrifice their comfort
• 33:12
  or satisfy their, you know, sacrifice their random selfish
• 33:15
  wants and desires and feelings and emotions, right?
• 33:19
  That's how it should be. Children are the future.
• 33:21
  So you should be willing to, you know, make massive compromises
• 33:24
  for them. But that's actually become
• 33:26
  inverted in many ways where, I mean, we saw a grand example of
• 33:29
  this from 2020 to 2022, even with the whole pandemic
• 33:32
  response, right? Children were not affected by
• 33:35
  this virus. That's be real like but.
• 33:37
  They were right. The response, yeah, but the but
• 33:41
  the response it was like, you know what, screw the kids like
• 33:44
  who cares about the kids? Let's shut down all the schools,
• 33:45
  let's shove masks on 2 year olds, 2 year old 3 year olds.
• 33:48
  Who cares if like they can't learn to speak?
• 33:50
  Who cares if like they're getting weirded out by this
• 33:52
  stuff and and the. Suicide rate is spiking for our
• 33:54
  teen. And it would none, none of none
• 33:56
  of the socialized none of that mattered, right?
• 33:58
  You know, protect grandma, not even that grandma didn't even
• 34:00
  want this, but that was the that was the notion.
• 34:03
  So you saw that look, because some adults are scared we are
• 34:07
  going to sort of sacrifice this much younger generation with the
• 34:11
  hope, fingers crossed that, you know, by magic, they won't be so
• 34:16
  affected by this thing. Right.
• 34:17
  When you're having situations where you're having.
• 34:21
  Here's something else I've noticed.
• 34:22
  And you know, these are these are a few small examples, but
• 34:24
  I'm sure there are some wider ones.
• 34:26
  But you, you've had some recent prominent examples in the last
• 34:29
  few years of, you know, married men who have children deciding
• 34:35
  they want to be women. What is the mainstream society's
• 34:39
  response to that? Yay, stunning, brave, amazing.
• 34:42
  You live your truth the most. Popular YouTube in the world Mr.
• 34:45
  Beast his one of his sort of characters in his films
• 34:50
  basically I I don't remember his name.
• 34:51
  Do you remember his name? His name?
• 34:52
  'S Chris. Chris.
• 34:53
  I think married man has a beautiful little boy, I think.
• 34:56
  And now he's out dressing as a woman, saying I'm I'm a, I'm a
• 34:59
  woman now. And.
• 35:00
  What's no one talking about? What about your wife and kid?
• 35:04
  Like it's just. Wasn't there a video he put up
• 35:07
  he he was putting high heels on his son, his three-year old son.
• 35:10
  He's now cross dressing his three-year old but.
• 35:12
  The first person, the whole. Internet said yeah, that's what.
• 35:14
  I'm saying, right, the response, there's no thought of like,
• 35:16
  wait, what about what about the kid?
• 35:18
  What about what about people impacted by this thing?
• 35:20
  It's just no, you live your truth, you be you be selfish.
• 35:23
  You like, look, if you're gonna go do that, like at least be at
• 35:25
  least have the decency to be be single and not be involving
• 35:28
  other people and your children and whatever.
• 35:31
  You know, the same thing happened with the whole, you
• 35:33
  know, Bruce to Caitlyn Jenner situation, right?
• 35:35
  It was just Oh my gosh, stunning, brave women of the
• 35:37
  year. Amazing.
• 35:37
  Like no one is like, wait, doesn't this person have like a
• 35:39
  whole family? And well, what's?
• 35:41
  So sad about that. They made reality TV out of the
• 35:43
  distress of his at the time. I think the the Jenner girls are
• 35:47
  pretty young, you know, and I think the whole car Jenner, you
• 35:51
  know, conglomerate is so toxic overall to society.
• 35:55
  That's another topic, right, But you look at that like that, like
• 35:58
  is he my dad still? Do I get to call him?
• 36:00
  Is it I can't say him. You know my my own father.
• 36:03
  I don't you you lose your father, but now you have to call
• 36:06
  your father a mother. I mean it's.
• 36:09
  The whole thing is is weird, but but this is what I mean.
• 36:11
  I mean, with it, with that whole movement, all these stuff like
• 36:13
  people do not like there's no one's like all right, What's
• 36:16
  actually best insane for children.
• 36:19
  It's just like, no, we've got these ideologies and we want to
• 36:22
  push this and we want to push this.
• 36:23
  It's all coming from the adults, right?
• 36:24
  It's the adults in the room not being adults in the room.
• 36:27
  And but what do you? Think about these adults that
• 36:29
  are saying, well my 3 year old wants to be a girl, my boy wants
• 36:32
  to be. I think it is.
• 36:33
  That's where it gets really freaky, I think.
• 36:35
  It is. Have you noticed it's mostly
• 36:37
  women doing that? I have, and I've noticed it.
• 36:40
  And as a mother of young kids, I see boys and girls and friends
• 36:45
  with young kids, they're not like super into gender
• 36:47
  stereotypes. They will sort of like put on
• 36:50
  mom's high heels or the little girl will like be interested in
• 36:54
  what makes a, you know, they, they might not match your
• 36:56
  stereotypical female or male activities.
• 36:58
  That doesn't mean their biology is wrong And they're not,
• 37:01
  they're born in the wrong body. It just means they're a little
• 37:03
  kid. Oh no.
• 37:04
  I mean, you know, remember tomboys.
• 37:06
  I remember those. You're not allowed to be.
• 37:09
  Like now, now they're like, I was a boy.
• 37:10
  That was like, all right, we. Interviewed Chloe Cole, and she
• 37:14
  was just saying no one told me. I mean, this is a girl who at 12
• 37:17
  years old, didn't know. She was maybe a little bit on
• 37:19
  the spectrum. She wasn't sure, like, her
• 37:21
  identity. All the girls are really sexual
• 37:23
  looking, you know, and feminine. And she was more of a tomboy.
• 37:26
  And she's like, OK, I guess maybe I'm a boy.
• 37:29
  She's into like the social media transgender world where they're
• 37:32
  all these artistic transgender ideology stuff and she's like,
• 37:35
  maybe that's me. So she they give her a double
• 37:37
  mastectomy at 15. Insane.
• 37:40
  Unreal. And then after she's like, what
• 37:41
  did you do to me? It's.
• 37:43
  Crazy do the amount of lawsuit I, I, I.
• 37:45
  Here's one of my predictions. I think that in the next one to
• 37:48
  two decades you are going to have millions of people who are
• 37:52
  now young people who are going to harbor incredible animosity,
• 37:58
  resentment, if not outright hatred for their own parents and
• 38:01
  for the establishments that allowed this to happen.
• 38:06
  What's going to happen then? I think.
• 38:07
  There's going to be giant lawsuits, 10 to let's say 10 to
• 38:12
  15 years from now. I think there's going to be some
• 38:13
  huge like cataclysmic lawsuits that are going to be coming down
• 38:17
  the pipeline. I think that you're going to
• 38:20
  have a generation, not, not a whole, not not like everybody,
• 38:24
  but like a significant numbers of people who are going to
• 38:27
  harbour a lot of perhaps arguably well deserved animosity
• 38:32
  and resentment towards the, you know, quote UN quote, grown-ups
• 38:35
  who did not guide them properly and who just let them to, you
• 38:40
  know, you could, you could think of, think about the consequences
• 38:42
  of this. You're going to have, I don't
• 38:44
  know the, I don't know the numbers, but you're gonna have
• 38:46
  potentially hundreds of thousands or low millions of
• 38:48
  people, young people in this country and other Western
• 38:52
  countries who by the time they're 25 or 30 years old, will
• 38:57
  be infertile. It'll be sterile.
• 38:59
  They literally will not even be able to.
• 39:01
  They won't be properly functioning biologically because
• 39:03
  of the stuff that has been done to them, things that have been
• 39:06
  added. Yeah.
• 39:06
  The. #2 service at Planned Parenthood, now that's grown the
• 39:09
  fastest besides abortion, is giving out hormone treatment and
• 39:12
  puberty blockers. Yeah.
• 39:13
  And giving out hormone treatment, I should.
• 39:14
  Not puberty blockers, but hormone treatments, yeah.
• 39:16
  And. As we all know which.
• 39:17
  Which can be. Sterilized and if you're a 15
• 39:19
  year old and you've been sterilized or you're on the path
• 39:22
  to being 15 year olds aren't really thinking very far ahead
• 39:25
  of the line, especially why you don't let them consent because
• 39:27
  their brains haven't properly developed to think about long
• 39:29
  term consequences. That's why a 12 year old can't
• 39:31
  go get a tattoo, right? We understand this with many
• 39:34
  other things, but people have lost their minds on all these
• 39:37
  other ones. So I do think that the fallout
• 39:39
  from this is going to be severe. I think that the the weird quote
• 39:44
  UN quote, progressive ideologues who are, we know, pushing this
• 39:47
  or pushing it on their kids are trying to be trendy and, you
• 39:49
  know, whatever, it's trendy to have a trans child, whatever it
• 39:52
  is. I think some of those kids are
• 39:53
  going to hate their parents. I genuinely think that some of
• 39:56
  them are going to hate their parents, are going to hate what
• 39:58
  they've done to them, especially the ones who have been like
• 39:59
  paraded around and, you know, done all this stuff and.
• 40:04
  A lot of it is going to be justified, but they're going to
• 40:06
  be the medical establishment, the therapists and the people
• 40:09
  who are like pushing them all down.
• 40:10
  What do, what do they call it affirming?
• 40:12
  You know this whole like affirmation in.
• 40:14
  California, it's illegal to not affirm.
• 40:17
  That's insane. Meaning you can't actually treat
• 40:19
  gender dysphoria. You have to send them down the
• 40:21
  track of hating their bodies. Yeah, it's.
• 40:23
  It's, it's utter insanity. This is never, I don't think
• 40:25
  this has ever happened in human history and I do not think the
• 40:29
  consequences are going to be positive for for for anybody.
• 40:34
  But there's a little something hopeful, I think, of what you're
• 40:36
  saying, which is that in order for them to hate what was done
• 40:38
  to them, these potentially hundreds of thousands or even
• 40:41
  millions of people and the lies that they were told, they would
• 40:44
  have had to woken up to the truth.
• 40:46
  And that means they could use the pain and, like Chloe, turn
• 40:51
  it into purpose. Like she's going off and
• 40:52
  campaigning to save children. But she shouldn't.
• 40:56
  She shouldn't have had to go through that.
• 40:58
  For that to. Happen, right it's like I, I
• 40:59
  would like to stop the car crash before the car crash happens
• 41:05
  rather than OK, let's let the car crash and then, you know,
• 41:07
  people walk out injured and have learned from the lesson It's
• 41:11
  like that's a very severe lesson for people to have to learn,
• 41:15
  especially when it's so predictable like you can see you
• 41:19
  can see where it's going you can see the car heading towards the
• 41:22
  wall or heading towards the Cliff and I'm not a bigot for
• 41:25
  yelling out stop I'm just saying like look this is this is crazy
• 41:29
  like think think about what you're doing what you're saying
• 41:31
  is not even making sense you're they're also opening other very
• 41:34
  extraordinarily dangerous portals.
• 41:36
  I, I mentioned this one, I had a conversation with Matt Walsh,
• 41:38
  which is that they are eliminating the concept of
• 41:41
  minors not being able to consent.
• 41:43
  It's so. Scary, and that is.
• 41:44
  Again, very dark. I I, I tend to think 2nd, 3rd,
• 41:47
  4th order consequences. So if something happens up here,
• 41:50
  I like to think, OK, what are, what's the natural, what's the
• 41:53
  logical progression of these ideas?
• 41:56
  If you say that this is OK, well, what about this, what
• 41:59
  about that? What about that, right?
• 42:01
  If you do this thing here, if you push that domino, what's the
• 42:04
  effect up by the time you get to the third or the 4th or 5th or
• 42:06
  the 5th domino? And sometimes it's, it's very
• 42:09
  predictable. It's not that I have a crystal
• 42:10
  ball. It's just that I can detach my
• 42:12
  emotions and logically think through some of these arguments.
• 42:16
  Because if you're saying OK, this is OK, then by extension
• 42:21
  that next thing is also OK. And it seems like there are so
• 42:25
  many decisions that are being made and things people are doing
• 42:28
  and pushing and being activists for and getting caught up in the
• 42:30
  hype for where they're really not thinking past the 1st order
• 42:33
  consequences, right? Again, it's not so different to
• 42:36
  me. I hate talking about the, the
• 42:37
  pandemic because I despise the entire response to it.
• 42:40
  But it's the same where, you know, if you, you do certain
• 42:43
  things there. So right now people are
• 42:44
  complaining about inflation and the cost of living and this and
• 42:47
  this. And it's like, well, it's, you
• 42:49
  know, I and many other people knew that in 2020, if you stop
• 42:53
  people from working and you shut down businesses and then you
• 42:55
  pump trillions and trillions into the economy and you give
• 42:57
  people money for doing nothing, you will get inflation.
• 43:00
  If you stop children from going to school for a year plus and
• 43:05
  they're not seeing human faces and whatever, they're going to
• 43:08
  have some developmental issues. Now you've got tons of children
• 43:11
  now going to speech therapy and you know, some of them are
• 43:14
  dealing with sort of weird mental issues.
• 43:17
  And inside 'cause you know, if, if you were a, you know, you've
• 43:23
  got young children, right? Maybe they're like young enough
• 43:25
  that they almost like kind of missed the worst of it.
• 43:27
  But if you have like, I don't know, a, a A5 year old or a four
• 43:30
  year old and you know, or a child who was four or five at
• 43:33
  the beginning of say 2020. And then for like, I don't know,
• 43:39
  1/2 of their life, they're surrounded by all this madness.
• 43:43
  And you know, they're seeing everyone panicking and they're
• 43:45
  not seeing human faces and they're not in school.
• 43:47
  They're not being social. I mean, they're not being
• 43:49
  socialized. School over Zoom when you're 5
• 43:50
  years old I. Like, I don't, I don't know
• 43:52
  exactly all the long term consequences of that, but there
• 43:55
  will be some because that's not normal, right?
• 43:57
  We're we're social beings. Like we have to be out there
• 43:59
  socializing and meeting other people.
• 44:03
  And and then when you tell, then when you also drill into them
• 44:06
  that you, hey, you need to stay away from your don't, don't
• 44:08
  touch your friends, don't touch your family members.
• 44:11
  Hugs are dangerous. You could kill someone by
• 44:13
  hugging them. Like that's a really horrible.
• 44:16
  Even if someone thinks the intention behind it is good, I
• 44:18
  would say it's absolutely not. But the consequences of that are
• 44:22
  are real. Like that's not how we we
• 44:25
  didn't, we didn't grow up like that, right.
• 44:26
  Well, I. Mean I've been among my friends
• 44:27
  who have young children because I have a group now we have these
• 44:30
  like 1-2 three-year olds for having babies and like the the
• 44:33
  kids that were 1-2 years old newborns during the pandemic.
• 44:37
  I we all talk about their pandemic babies because they
• 44:41
  grew up seeing, yes, their parents faces and maybe their
• 44:44
  grandparents and maybe like a close friend, but they weren't
• 44:47
  seeing place faces at large, right?
• 44:50
  There were masks everywhere and there were few social
• 44:52
  activities. And so like, I think, you know,
• 44:54
  I do think that children who are two or three today are different
• 44:58
  than children who are younger because the younger, like even I
• 45:01
  think about my kids, like there's my youngest son.
• 45:04
  He didn't grow up with masks. You know, he's he's a one year
• 45:06
  old. He's just enjoying the world.
• 45:07
  He smiles at everyone. It's a different experience than
• 45:10
  my older child had. Yes, it is and it has an impact.
• 45:13
  It is. And, you know, people forget
• 45:15
  very basic things. Like one of the ways we learn
• 45:17
  how to speak is by seeing in people's mouths moving as they
• 45:20
  speak. So if you cover that up, you
• 45:22
  know, people are like, oh, there's no downside to masks,
• 45:24
  whatever. Like even if it doesn't work,
• 45:25
  there's no downside. I'm like, what do you mean
• 45:26
  there's no downside? Right?
• 45:28
  But this is also what happens when people think you need like
• 45:30
  an extensive peer reviewed study for making obvious, making
• 45:34
  obvious points, right? I don't have studies for all
• 45:36
  these things. I know that there.
• 45:38
  Are. Studies I'm sure there must I'm
• 45:40
  sure there there will be now, but some of it is just is just
• 45:42
  common sense, right? I know that if someone is
• 45:44
  already in prison and they really, really want to punish
• 45:47
  them, what do they do? They put them in solitary
• 45:49
  confinement, right? If you're, you've already
• 45:51
  committed a crime, you, we've already institutionalized you.
• 45:53
  We really want to punish you. We're putting you in solitary,
• 45:56
  right? Putting, leaving people, people
• 45:59
  being isolated and not being able to go outside or interact
• 46:02
  with other human beings. It drives people mad.
• 46:04
  It's, it's horrible. We, we've known that for a long
• 46:06
  time. So all these governments around
• 46:08
  the world, when they're telling people, you know, just you do
• 46:11
  that, you know, just stay in this place for, for weeks on
• 46:14
  end, for months on end. Don't go out, see other people
• 46:17
  because you're gonna harm them, you're gonna kill them.
• 46:19
  Then you're hammering them with all these messages of fear.
• 46:21
  Like it's, it's, it drove a lot of people crazy.
• 46:23
  And, you know, now people are acting like none of it ever
• 46:25
  happened, which is very strange. Like, that's one of the weirdest
• 46:28
  parts. Like, it's kind of like.
• 46:29
  PTSD it's like. You just blank.
• 46:30
  Out. You're not gonna.
• 46:32
  Yeah. And then you maybe recall it in
• 46:33
  your nightmare, but you don't want to think about it.
• 46:35
  It's affected. Me.
• 46:36
  It's affected me permanently and I'm less neurotic than 99% of
• 46:41
  the population. So if it's affected me, then it
• 46:43
  certainly affected it certainly affected everybody else.
• 46:47
  So, yeah, I don't know. I, I just coming back to the
• 46:49
  original point, though, I think, you know, we need to, I don't
• 46:55
  know. I, I do, I am, I do worry
• 46:58
  despite not being a father yet myself.
• 47:01
  I do, I do worry quite a bit sometimes about like the the
• 47:04
  younger generation and all these things that have kind of already
• 47:07
  been hitting them in their relatively short lives.
• 47:09
  And some of the stuff that people are promoting or pushing
• 47:12
  or just like not not thinking through.
• 47:15
  I think there's a lot of people just wanting to, I don't know,
• 47:20
  have or use children kind of as like props for their.
• 47:24
  Yeah. And it's weird and it's kind of
• 47:26
  gross. This goes back a few years ago.
• 47:28
  But one of the things that also I found something that I kind of
• 47:33
  I found weird. Do you remember, like, when
• 47:35
  Greta Thunberg first came onto the scene, and maybe she was
• 47:38
  like, 14 or 15? And, you know, they were kind of
• 47:42
  like using this little autistic girl as, like, the battering ram
• 47:48
  for this whole climate ideology thing.
• 47:51
  And of course, you know, you can't, no one wants to, like,
• 47:53
  criticize, let alone, like, attack a child, right, Who
• 47:57
  you're kind of using as the mouthpiece.
• 47:58
  But there was something just, like, really weird and
• 48:00
  disturbing about it all. I was like, shouldn't this go be
• 48:01
  in school, right. If you want to push this thing
• 48:04
  like getting a get a grown up to do it, don't be like hiding
• 48:06
  behind a child and having this like child like you're putting
• 48:09
  them there and taking them across the world there and using
• 48:12
  the whole thing was just I don't, I don't know, Yeah, I
• 48:15
  don't like it, but. That that is like, so even that
• 48:18
  example is like nothing compared to some of the things you were
• 48:21
  talking about earlier or abortion.
• 48:23
  You just slaughter the child if the child's inconvenient.
• 48:26
  I love what you said earlier about children's rights because
• 48:28
  I think that is that is the fight that few adults are
• 48:31
  willing to have because it's it's honestly talking this
• 48:33
  earlier. I think it's just really dark
• 48:35
  stuff when you look at the way children are being treated and
• 48:37
  exploited today. And there's so many ideologies
• 48:40
  that try to make it okay to deprive children of their
• 48:43
  parents of, you know, say that they're, you know, totally fine
• 48:46
  if they have no mother or father.
• 48:47
  And again, caveat here, if you are a parent and you know you,
• 48:51
  you die, you know, the child loses the mother or father
• 48:54
  because of a death or an accident or there's severe abuse
• 48:56
  or addiction. So the parent can't parent,
• 48:59
  right? Or abandonment, right?
• 49:00
  You're a single mom because the guy abandoned you.
• 49:03
  You are a hero actually, right? But if it's by design, you're
• 49:07
  designing your life so that the child won't have a father or
• 49:10
  mother, you know, you're like, well, two dads are just as good.
• 49:13
  Or, you know, there's the famous San Diego Treble.
• 49:15
  I don't know if you've heard of this three men who want to
• 49:17
  create children and they all want to be on the birth
• 49:19
  certificate so you get all this crazy stuff.
• 49:22
  But I was talking with Jennifer Roback Morse of the Ruse
• 49:24
  Institute. She's this PhD in economics, but
• 49:26
  she does all this work on social studying of these different
• 49:29
  ideologies. And she talks about, you were
• 49:31
  talking early about actions of consequences and these ideas of
• 49:34
  consequences. And she talks about 3
• 49:36
  ideologies. I want to hear your thoughts on
• 49:38
  this. Number one, she talks about
• 49:39
  contraceptive ideology, which is, you know, predates the
• 49:43
  gender ideology stuff today. And then she also talks about
• 49:45
  divorce ideology. But contraceptive ideology says
• 49:49
  people can should have sex and not expect to have children.
• 49:51
  So it's like your mindset is contraceptions my fail proof.
• 49:55
  I'm just going to have sex. Sexual libertinism, right?
• 49:58
  Shouldn't have to be a parent if I don't want to.
• 50:00
  Oh, shoot, I'm pregnant, OK, I'm going to have an abortion,
• 50:02
  right. So that kind of ideology seized,
• 50:04
  I think the modern world, kind of mid 20th century, early 20th
• 50:08
  century, actually, with the birth control league.
• 50:09
  Margaret Sanger, You know, you shouldn't, you should be able to
• 50:12
  have sex and never get pregnant #2 divorce ideology.
• 50:17
  OK. You shouldn't be able to you,
• 50:18
  You don't need to get married if you want a child, you shouldn't
• 50:21
  need to be married. And marriage can be whatever you
• 50:23
  want it to be if you do get married.
• 50:24
  And then the last one is gender ideology, but it roots with
• 50:28
  meaning you're not even you can choose to be a man if you're a
• 50:30
  woman or a woman if you're a man, but it all starts with
• 50:32
  misunderstanding sex, an identity like being human to
• 50:38
  what what it means to be human. What are your what are your
• 50:40
  thoughts on that? Yeah, that, that's so
• 50:42
  interesting. I, I've never heard those first
• 50:46
  two terms. I'd never heard the term of, you
• 50:49
  know, diverse divorce ideology or contraceptive ideology.
• 50:51
  Although I've, you know, I've never heard, I've never thought
• 50:54
  of them as ideologies. But these things are on a, on a
• 51:00
  social and a cultural level and perhaps even a political level.
• 51:03
  These are like atom bomb level level events, right?
• 51:08
  And the impacts of them are so far reaching.
• 51:12
  It's something I've been thinking a lot about recently.
• 51:14
  And I made a post online to to this regard, which is that we
• 51:20
  all know that parenting is important, but I think it is
• 51:24
  massively underrated and understated just how important
• 51:29
  and impactful it is. And the reason why I say this is
• 51:31
  because I think when people think about like family dynamics
• 51:34
  and raising children or whatever, most people think of
• 51:37
  it within the realm of that family and perhaps like a very
• 51:41
  small community, right? So people just think like, oh,
• 51:46
  OK, if you got this family dynamic and there's a divorce or
• 51:51
  the kids are raised well or they're raised badly or they're
• 51:54
  not raised at all or whatever, this impact stays within this
• 51:58
  little cluster. And that's absolutely wrong,
• 52:01
  right 'cause if you, the greatest act of service someone
• 52:06
  can do is raising great children and the greatest disservice you
• 52:10
  can do to the world is raising horrible children, right?
• 52:14
  Because you. Children become adults.
• 52:17
  And we all go on and we impact at a minimum thousands of other
• 52:21
  people, everybody we interact with throughout our lifetime,
• 52:25
  everything we go on to do or not do or whatever, this all has
• 52:29
  repercussions and ripples throughout society.
• 52:32
  And then most people are also going to have children.
• 52:34
  And then it impacts future generations in various ways,
• 52:37
  right, 'cause most, you know, we, we learn from our parents,
• 52:42
  our environments, our family dynamics, all these sort of
• 52:44
  things. And this is a bit of a harsh
• 52:46
  message because you don't choose those, right?
• 52:49
  You don't choose your parents. You don't choose what family
• 52:51
  you're born into. If someone was born to horrible
• 52:53
  or abusive parents, that's not their fault.
• 52:55
  If someone was born in this dynamic, whatever.
• 52:57
  It doesn't, It doesn't. But it does affect other people,
• 53:01
  right? If, if you, if my parents had
• 53:04
  not raised me well, right. My parents raised me
• 53:07
  extraordinarily well. I've came from a great family,
• 53:09
  all these things. And that's made me be a certain
• 53:13
  type of adult with certain types of morals and values and
• 53:16
  education and ways of seeing things and talking about things
• 53:19
  and ways of relating to people that has ripple effects
• 53:23
  literally on millions of people, right?
• 53:25
  If I had been raised in a totally different way, if I'd
• 53:28
  been raised in the opposite way and I myself wasn't able to kind
• 53:31
  of break out of that in some way.
• 53:32
  And I went out there and I start, you know, inflicting my,
• 53:36
  I don't even, you know, the word is overused by inflicting my
• 53:38
  traumas on other people and treating people this way and
• 53:41
  that way because, oh, well, you know, my, my dad did that to my
• 53:44
  mom or this or this or this. And I'm just going around like
• 53:47
  as a broken person and I'm out there like breaking other
• 53:49
  people. It ripples all the way through.
• 53:51
  Then perhaps I have kids and I go on and I perpetuate this.
• 53:54
  You know, they go on and perpetuate disturbance cycle and
• 53:56
  it literally ripples all the way down generations.
• 53:58
  And most people don't think of it that way, right?
• 54:01
  Another thing that's interesting is, you know, talking about
• 54:03
  divorce. Let me, you know, bring up
• 54:05
  something that no one talks about, right, is that both
• 54:09
  divorces and happy, successful marriages have a contagion
• 54:14
  factor, right? Because people tend to model
• 54:19
  things that are around them and things that are normalized or
• 54:22
  things that are deemed acceptable or unacceptable or
• 54:24
  whatever. We get our social cues from
• 54:27
  those things around us, right? If someone grows up in a society
• 54:30
  or in a community or in a neighborhood where, you know,
• 54:33
  it's almost all single mothers, deadbeat dads, absent fathers is
• 54:37
  the norm. Them, their friends, other, you
• 54:40
  know, everyone they know doesn't have a father in the picture or
• 54:42
  whatever. And that is the norm to them.
• 54:45
  It's not going to be a surprise that a lot of those men and
• 54:48
  women are going to go on and they're also going to repeat
• 54:51
  certain cycles and patterns. Whereas if you have communities
• 54:54
  where it's, you know, the norm is being married and staying
• 54:57
  married and having those in tech units.
• 54:59
  And that's what you see around you and that's your friends and
• 55:01
  whatever, then that becomes the thing you aspire to.
• 55:04
  It becomes the things you name and you know, marriages don't
• 55:06
  exist in isolation. They exist in a society and in a
• 55:09
  community and it's glued together.
• 55:11
  And I think people understood that a lot better in the past
• 55:13
  than they do now, right? People are so individualistic.
• 55:16
  They think, oh, it's just this, but there is this, there is this
• 55:19
  contagion effect that can happen.
• 55:22
  And something else I've noticed, just anecdotally but I'm sure
• 55:25
  everyone has experienced this, is that happily married people
• 55:29
  encourage and want other people to be happily married, right?
• 55:33
  And divorced. People, yes, and divorced and
• 55:35
  divorced people. Like it's true, right?
• 55:38
  Like they like they go out there and they want other people to
• 55:40
  kind of have the thing or do the thing that they did.
• 55:43
  Are they justified? They're in justifying their.
• 55:46
  Divorces and I'm not talking about severe abuse cases, I'm
• 55:48
  talking about like we just don't irreconcilable differences.
• 55:52
  It's like, well, if he wasn't helping you live your dream or
• 55:55
  you know, you guys weren't compatible anymore, it's better
• 55:57
  for the kids. They're very, very frivolous,
• 56:00
  the kids that you know they're. Although if you ask your kids
• 56:02
  that you. Know they just want want to
• 56:03
  connect with you so they're probably afraid and how do you
• 56:05
  expect an 8 year old to understand how something's
• 56:07
  traumatizing them? You know, where are the talking?
• 56:10
  Also with Jennifer Robeck Morse. But where are the voices of
• 56:13
  children who are back to children's rights, who get to
• 56:16
  share about how painful it is that the whole security of their
• 56:20
  world, the love of their parents, you know, that's sort
• 56:22
  of their whole world, their whole psychological foundation
• 56:26
  is now severed so dramatically that they have separate homes to
• 56:29
  go home and sleep in. But no one talks about that,
• 56:32
  right? Because divorce is like, oh,
• 56:33
  it's it's going to be better for the kids.
• 56:35
  Yeah. And it's also because so many
• 56:36
  millions of people at. This point have been been
• 56:39
  through that and raised in the situations or are part of those
• 56:42
  things that it feels like a condemnation for them to even
• 56:45
  recognize it. And there's another contagion
• 56:47
  factor here as well, which no one talks about, right?
• 56:50
  So, and this is where, you know, I know in private conversations
• 56:54
  you mentioned to me that you're interested in, you know, some of
• 56:57
  the quote, you know, what people call the red pill stuff that's
• 57:00
  kind of been going on out there, right?
• 57:02
  But. Why do you?
• 57:03
  Think so many young men and even a lot of young women are afraid
• 57:10
  of marriage because they saw it fail for their parents.
• 57:15
  They saw it fail for their they saw it fail for their parents
• 57:17
  friends. They saw these big prominent
• 57:19
  situations where this happened. Oh wow, like that super
• 57:21
  successful guy got even he could even he couldn't make it work,
• 57:25
  you know, and he's done this and he's got that.
• 57:27
  I was literally going to say it's like the daddy and the.
• 57:29
  Mommy and the divorce wounds because we were talking offline
• 57:33
  about some of these kind of leaders in this red pillar
• 57:37
  adjacent red pill worlds and I hear you know like Andrew Tate
• 57:41
  as an example is very public about it.
• 57:42
  You hear him talking about his childhood and you're like, whoa,
• 57:46
  it's pretty rough. And the.
• 57:48
  Dynamics. Between like his parents, it
• 57:50
  just sounds like it's super dysfunctional.
• 57:53
  Yeah, but I mean in I know he's he's.
• 57:56
  Framed it in a way that it, I know it motivates and drives him
• 58:01
  a lot, but I'm sure you know it. It, it, it, Yeah, but it, but
• 58:04
  it, it, it this is the thing, right?
• 58:05
  Whether or not someone wants to admit it or can sense them.
• 58:10
  Like there's people who you can very obviously tell how their
• 58:13
  childhood has affected them as an adult, right?
• 58:17
  There's people where it's, it's more subtle and you know,
• 58:19
  they've gone on and they've been, you know, they've, they've
• 58:21
  been successful and they've healed from certain problems and
• 58:24
  whatever. But on some level it's still it,
• 58:27
  it can't not affect you. How, how can your parents
• 58:29
  relationship and your family dynamics and your child, how can
• 58:32
  it not affect you, right? That that doesn't even make
• 58:35
  sense. It can affect you in positive
• 58:36
  ways and negative ways. Like, you know, most people,
• 58:39
  it's going to be some type of combination of these things, but
• 58:41
  it's gonna impact how you see the world.
• 58:43
  It's gonna impact how you see relationships.
• 58:45
  It's gonna even impact what you may aspire to, right?
• 58:48
  Because if you're from a, you know, a big healthy family with
• 58:51
  lots of intact marriages and what cool.
• 58:54
  Like this is a great dynamic. I wanna do the same thing.
• 58:56
  That's my situation. I'm blessed.
• 58:59
  But I'm also, my family has become something a bit of an
• 59:02
  anomaly, which is a massive shame, right?
• 59:04
  Like, if I tell people about my parents, like, one of the most
• 59:06
  common questions I get is, you know, oh, are your parents still
• 59:08
  together? And I'm like, it's isn't it sad
• 59:11
  that we live in a society where it's almost assumed that your
• 59:14
  parents are probably not together anymore?
• 59:17
  Like, it is such a privilege. My parents are still together,
• 59:20
  too. Yeah, but.
• 59:21
  We are privileged to be that. Used to be the.
• 59:23
  Norm, not so long ago, that's what's.
• 59:25
  Sad. That's what I'm saying is, is
• 59:26
  that's what's sad, right when I say that I'm like people, you
• 59:29
  know, I'm like, Oh no, my parents have been together
• 59:30
  almost 50 years. People are like, wow, that's
• 59:32
  amazing. You're so lucky.
• 59:33
  You're so fortunate. You're so privileged.
• 59:35
  I'm like, yeah, but should that be the case?
• 59:38
  Like, isn't, shouldn't, isn't that the point of marriage?
• 59:41
  Like, isn't it meant to be? You stay together and stuff like
• 59:44
  that? So this has a massive impact on
• 59:47
  the psyche of younger generations.
• 59:48
  And I think this is a part that is rarely brought into these
• 59:52
  conversations because, you know, conservative people especially,
• 59:56
  obviously, you know, very, very, you know, pro, pro marriage, pro
• 59:59
  family, they want, you know, well, these young men just man
• 1:00:02
  up and marry, marry women. And just like you don't
• 1:00:04
  understand, like these guys are scared.
• 1:00:06
  They are scared of signing a contract with the government,
• 1:00:10
  with a woman that there is when you have especially when you
• 1:00:13
  have these no fault divorce laws.
• 1:00:14
  And they've heard all these horror stories because 70% of a
• 1:00:17
  divorces are initiated by women, I think.
• 1:00:19
  That's the number, yeah, the majority.
• 1:00:20
  And that's the whole message, right of of some of.
• 1:00:22
  The red pill. Adjacent folks who are saying,
• 1:00:25
  you know, don't get married, she's just going to divorce you
• 1:00:28
  and take your kids and so sleep with different women and but
• 1:00:30
  still be successful. So in a way their their hatred
• 1:00:34
  of monogamy stems from betrayal. It's not even it's yeah, I
• 1:00:38
  would. It's not even hatred of.
• 1:00:39
  Monogamy, it's just like, OK, if you were say, say if you could
• 1:00:43
  say if you removed, if you removed the love element, if you
• 1:00:46
  removed the the love element, right?
• 1:00:47
  And this is just a, this is a contract you're signing and you
• 1:00:51
  know that statistically in your country, 45th, 40 to 50% of
• 1:00:57
  these contracts fail and the other party initiates the break
• 1:01:03
  up 70 to 80% of the time. You'll hear these stats a lot in
• 1:01:06
  red pill circles. Would you sign that contract?
• 1:01:11
  Right. Well, if it it's just, it's
• 1:01:13
  funny 'cause it's like. Did you know that X amount of
• 1:01:15
  people die from heart disease? Why don't you just end yourself
• 1:01:18
  now 'cause you might die? Because it's kind of like a self
• 1:01:20
  fulfilling prophecy? No, it's not because you,
• 1:01:22
  because in this you have. The there's so many
• 1:01:25
  alternatives, right? So there's the alternative is
• 1:01:29
  like. Mate.
• 1:01:29
  Selection because I when you. Shake it out.
• 1:01:32
  You look at people that go to church weekly.
• 1:01:35
  You look at people that didn't cohabitate before marriage, that
• 1:01:38
  didn't sleep around before marriage.
• 1:01:40
  High success rate, high success rate.
• 1:01:42
  So what? Percentage of people is that.
• 1:01:44
  It's a small percentage because. Few people are willing to.
• 1:01:47
  Few people have that vision. I don't even think it's a
• 1:01:50
  self-control thing because I think people can apply
• 1:01:51
  self-control where they where they choose.
• 1:01:53
  I think it's a vision that this is a vision worth fighting for
• 1:01:56
  and applying myself control to. But the problem is they are not
• 1:01:59
  educated. Like most people don't even know
• 1:02:02
  that that you are more likely to divorce if you cohabitate.
• 1:02:04
  Most people do. They think by cohabitating
• 1:02:07
  they're actually staving off test test run and, you know,
• 1:02:10
  make sure it all. That's exactly the.
• 1:02:11
  The argument and. You know, from logical
• 1:02:14
  perspective it. Sounds right.
• 1:02:15
  You know it sounds like it was, but you.
• 1:02:18
  You think it's not an obvious statistic perhaps.
• 1:02:21
  Yeah, especially in today's culture.
• 1:02:22
  Yeah, it's not an obvious statistic that.
• 1:02:23
  If you cohabitate. Prior then statistically the you
• 1:02:27
  know, but I but I was going to say that that vision and that
• 1:02:30
  desire and so so much of that. This is my point.
• 1:02:33
  So much of that comes from your family, your family seeing it
• 1:02:38
  living it. You're one of eight, right?
• 1:02:40
  Your parent. How long have your parents been
• 1:02:42
  together? We just celebrated 40 years. 40
• 1:02:44
  years. And the family, the whole family
• 1:02:46
  got. Together.
• 1:02:47
  All the grandkids, all eight kids and spouses and one
• 1:02:50
  boyfriend, I think was there for one and married sibling, but all
• 1:02:53
  to celebrate by the way they slept in separate room like
• 1:02:57
  traditional. It's like, you know, like.
• 1:02:59
  We're not. We're it's but.
• 1:03:00
  It's you live a certain way and you see this fruit like and you
• 1:03:03
  want to replicate that and you, you, you now you.
• 1:03:06
  See the dysfunction? You know, no family is perfect.
• 1:03:08
  My family is not perfect. My marriage is not perfect.
• 1:03:11
  We're figuring things out, but towards a certain end.
• 1:03:13
  So we're we know we're working to get Better Together.
• 1:03:16
  So you have to keep in mind that in this country.
• 1:03:18
  Alone, you know, hundreds of millions of people.
• 1:03:24
  That's not their experience. So this is where the sort of red
• 1:03:30
  pill stuff comes from. So what's the real answer,
• 1:03:34
  right? Wow.
• 1:03:38
  I mean, the Christian answer is pick up your Bible and, you
• 1:03:41
  know, follow everything in there.
• 1:03:44
  It's it's hard. You know, Lila, I'd love to have
• 1:03:47
  a clean answer on this one. I would I would be lying if I
• 1:03:49
  said I have AI have a totally clean answer.
• 1:03:52
  I I think that I think we marriage needs to be I do think
• 1:03:57
  marriage laws need to be changed.
• 1:03:59
  I think meaning make it more difficult to divorce for no
• 1:04:02
  fault. The truth is, the truth is OK
• 1:04:04
  if. You are a young, successful man
• 1:04:06
  or a man who's going to be young and successful, and you do not
• 1:04:11
  have a religious or traditional upbringing and outlook in life.
• 1:04:16
  The incentive structure for state sanctioned marriage in the
• 1:04:22
  USA and many other countries is poor.
• 1:04:27
  The incentive struck the the there's not an incentive.
• 1:04:29
  So when people are there, you know, yelling at these young men
• 1:04:32
  to hey, just get married, just get married.
• 1:04:34
  They're like who's yelling at them?
• 1:04:36
  By the no, no, no, let me I mean let.
• 1:04:38
  Me not don't get married well let.
• 1:04:39
  Me not say people are yelling at them.
• 1:04:40
  Let let's say, OK, the traditional conservative types
• 1:04:42
  who are telling these young men, why are you following Andrew
• 1:04:44
  Tate? Why are you listening to all
• 1:04:45
  these guys? Why are you all with this red
• 1:04:47
  pill? Whatever.
• 1:04:48
  You know, I don't like this. I'm fine if they don't get
• 1:04:50
  married, provided they're not sleeping around with women.
• 1:04:52
  Like if you choose celibacy because of some sort of noble
• 1:04:54
  purpose, yeah, it's not realistic.
• 1:04:56
  It's not. It's not realistic to be.
• 1:04:57
  Celibate for someone? With no.
• 1:05:01
  Religious or traditional inclination?
• 1:05:02
  No noble 'cause they're fighting for it.
• 1:05:04
  Yeah, I see that. They need a purpose.
• 1:05:06
  Yes, exactly. So.
• 1:05:08
  I think part of the. Problem is that there's this,
• 1:05:11
  there's this void here. I think that a lot of the
• 1:05:14
  traditional conservative types are not.
• 1:05:17
  I think, I think often times are genuinely not even aware of just
• 1:05:21
  how much the game has changed in the last few decades.
• 1:05:24
  Right. Someone who's for men
• 1:05:25
  especially, you're saying men. Yeah, like the.
• 1:05:27
  Disaffected man this this social culture has this society.
• 1:05:31
  Has changed, the culture has changed, the norms have changed,
• 1:05:33
  the technology has changed, some of the laws have changed, Right.
• 1:05:36
  We're not living in the same world as our grandparents or our
• 1:05:38
  great grandparents. We're actually, it was, yeah,
• 1:05:40
  sure, that also had its own problems, but it was sort of, it
• 1:05:43
  was, it was cleaner and it was simpler and it was just like,
• 1:05:47
  look, this is what you do. You, you, you know, you get to
• 1:05:49
  this age, you men, men get married.
• 1:05:51
  Women get married. Cool.
• 1:05:52
  Like that's it, it, it just functioned.
• 1:05:55
  Whereas now we're, we're at this weird point where you've still
• 1:05:59
  got the, the traditional part and you've got some of the
• 1:06:02
  religion and some of the ideals, but you're also in a society and
• 1:06:05
  a culture and a legal system which is quite hostile towards
• 1:06:08
  that. So many people don't even treat
• 1:06:10
  marriage. People don't, a lot of people
• 1:06:13
  don't even treat marriage seriously, right?
• 1:06:15
  Like part of the reason I'm not married yet 'cause I got people,
• 1:06:18
  again, I got people assume you should be married.
• 1:06:19
  Like you're, you know, whatever. And I'm like, part of the reason
• 1:06:22
  I'm not married is because I take it so seriously.
• 1:06:24
  To me, this isn't something like, oh, you know what, let me
• 1:06:26
  just marry this girl I like. And if it doesn't work out,
• 1:06:29
  like, we'll just, there's people who I think that's a good thing.
• 1:06:31
  I I, I, yeah, I think it's good, but there's people.
• 1:06:33
  Who get married and. They're going into it like,
• 1:06:35
  well, if it doesn't work out or one of us isn't happy, like we
• 1:06:38
  just, we just go and I'm like, well, what's the point of to me?
• 1:06:41
  I'm, I'm also like, I'm like, well, what's the point of
• 1:06:43
  getting married if it's not permanent, right?
• 1:06:46
  If this drive is not that, look, this is a lifelong union, then
• 1:06:51
  what's the point? All your then it's just extended
• 1:06:53
  dating with a lot of potential negative ramifications if the
• 1:06:58
  thing doesn't if it doesn't work out, financial ramifications,
• 1:07:01
  impact on the children once again, impact on your own
• 1:07:04
  well-being and mental health, impact on your career, all these
• 1:07:07
  other things. And that's why again, there are
• 1:07:09
  millions of young men, whether or not people like it there.
• 1:07:11
  I know for a fact there are millions of young men out there
• 1:07:14
  in the West who are terrified of the concept of marriage.
• 1:07:18
  And I don't think that there is. And you think the top reason for
• 1:07:21
  that? There's a lot of only.
• 1:07:22
  People who are addressing this are the red.
• 1:07:25
  Pill people well, you're addressing it I I am we're.
• 1:07:28
  Doing that right now, yeah, yeah, I, I, I think, I think
• 1:07:34
  this is a place where there is. Massive room for more
• 1:07:38
  conservative, especially, you know, pro marriage, pro family
• 1:07:40
  people to speak on this and to offer some genuine solutions.
• 1:07:45
  Because the incentive structure, as I've just said, it's it's so
• 1:07:49
  it's so broken and so many and it's not just it's not just on
• 1:07:52
  paper. Again, there are millions of
• 1:07:54
  people who have been through this grinder and have been spat
• 1:07:58
  out the other side. Well, the grinder is the
• 1:08:00
  contraception of ideology. The divorce ideology and now the
• 1:08:03
  gender ideology, and all three make up what we call the sexual
• 1:08:06
  revolution and postmodern ideologies kind of swimming all
• 1:08:10
  together. They're all kind of like
• 1:08:11
  bleeding into each other, but it is a grinder.
• 1:08:13
  I like that. I mean, it's a horrible idea,
• 1:08:16
  but it's true. Like all of these people are
• 1:08:19
  victims in a way of the sexual revolution and ideologies that
• 1:08:23
  broke their families, that broke their spirits, that distorted
• 1:08:27
  their sense of purpose and really their whole understanding
• 1:08:29
  of what it means to be human. And so now there's just like
• 1:08:33
  chaos yes and and this has massive impact.
• 1:08:36
  So I've. I've mostly spoken from the male
• 1:08:37
  angle, but this is also OK. What What are some of the
• 1:08:42
  impacts of this on females? Why are there so many young
• 1:08:46
  women who again, you know, we talked about the male fear that
• 1:08:49
  a lot of people don't talk about, you know, men are afraid
• 1:08:51
  of like, you know, Oh my gosh, I marry a woman and she leaves me
• 1:08:55
  and I lose half my stuff and I lose access to my children and
• 1:08:57
  this and this like that. That's the male fear that people
• 1:09:00
  are hesitant to discuss, right? So, you know, a lot of the red
• 1:09:04
  pill solution is just guys don't get married, right?
• 1:09:06
  That's their solution. What is the, what is a massive
• 1:09:10
  fear that a lot of women have outside of, you know, there's
• 1:09:12
  the obvious things that have always existed like, you know, a
• 1:09:15
  man who is abusive or violent or something like that.
• 1:09:17
  But a lot of women, again, due to their own parents dynamics or
• 1:09:21
  what they saw growing up around them, they are terrified of
• 1:09:27
  relying on a man independence, right?
• 1:09:30
  They've been taught to value. Independence above all else,
• 1:09:33
  which is why the abortion ideology is so strong, because
• 1:09:36
  these things are all tied together, right?
• 1:09:38
  Because. Perhaps, again, even in their
• 1:09:40
  own family, maybe they saw their mom relied on their dad and
• 1:09:45
  their dad ended up leaving or becoming a junkie or doing this
• 1:09:49
  or doing that, or they saw it happen to their parents friend.
• 1:09:51
  They're seeing it happening in society.
• 1:09:53
  And they're like, you know what? I cannot, I can't put myself in
• 1:09:55
  a position where I just fully trust and rely on a man.
• 1:09:59
  Maybe ideologically they would like to right?
• 1:10:01
  And they'd, they'd like to have that, but they're like, no, I
• 1:10:04
  need to go out there. I need to get my degrees, I need
• 1:10:06
  to make my money. I need to start my business.
• 1:10:08
  I need to do all these things. I need to compete with men very
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  directly. And that also has the downstream
• 1:10:14
  consequences. So you have both men and women,
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  especially on the younger end, who are people don't like the
• 1:10:19
  word fear, but they're they're fearful, they're fearful of one
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  another. The, the women are fearful of
• 1:10:24
  men in a way. The men are fearful of women in
• 1:10:26
  a way. And this leads to all of the
• 1:10:29
  dysfunction that you're seeing in relationships because neither
• 1:10:33
  party feels like they can truly trust the other sex, right?
• 1:10:37
  Women don't feel like they can trust men.
• 1:10:39
  Men don't feel like they can trust women.
• 1:10:40
  On this end, you've got, you know, third and fourth way
• 1:10:43
  feminism. On this end, you've got, you
• 1:10:44
  know, the rising sort of red pill and MRA movements, even
• 1:10:47
  men, men, men going their own way, which is literally men who
• 1:10:51
  have just sort of signed off of women.
• 1:10:53
  And maybe they'll casually date here and there, but they're
• 1:10:55
  absolutely not getting married. They won't even get into a long
• 1:10:57
  term serious relationship. And this is this is going to be
• 1:11:00
  LGBT, right? That's OK.
• 1:11:02
  Or just the third. Identity or you completely
• 1:11:04
  switch over. Right, and and I can under.
• 1:11:07
  Understand. And I can empathize with all
• 1:11:10
  these different positions, right?
• 1:11:11
  If there's a young woman who's grown up in a certain way and
• 1:11:13
  she wants to get her money and she wants to run her business
• 1:11:16
  and she wants to do this and do this and not have to rely on a
• 1:11:19
  man that's not just coming from you watch some feminist
• 1:11:22
  programming in the media and it's like, it's like, no,
• 1:11:25
  there's a logical reason why that young woman thinks like
• 1:11:28
  that and why she has that. I don't need a man.
• 1:11:30
  I don't want a man attitude. And there's also a logical
• 1:11:34
  reason why you have these young men who are out there.
• 1:11:36
  Like actually, you know what, I'm just going to be like live a
• 1:11:39
  Playboy lifestyle and I'll have relationships with women, but I
• 1:11:42
  won't get in too deep. So I won't get my heart broken.
• 1:11:44
  I won't get my, you know, finances.
• 1:11:47
  I want to, I want to have to take the risk, right?
• 1:11:49
  I'm not going to be flipping this coin that I've seen doesn't
• 1:11:53
  have a great statistical success rate, even though again,
• 1:11:57
  oftentimes statistics are not contextualized properly.
• 1:11:59
  You did this earlier where you actually, if you look in, if
• 1:12:03
  you, if you are in certain communities and you do certain
• 1:12:06
  things, you know, the divorce rate is not going to be 40 to
• 1:12:09
  50%. It's going to be, it's going to
• 1:12:11
  be miniscule. It's all about how you live and
• 1:12:14
  what's motivating. How you live and why you live.
• 1:12:16
  And you know, one of the passions behind this podcast,
• 1:12:19
  and I know it's a passion behind everything that you're doing is
• 1:12:22
  to help people see the, the, the goodness of who they're meant to
• 1:12:27
  be. And, you know, to help
• 1:12:29
  reharmonize these relationships and help people find the truth.
• 1:12:32
  And the good news is like when you have a one example, you
• 1:12:36
  know, that one beautiful marriage that's 50-60 years
• 1:12:39
  strong. And you have, you know, you have
• 1:12:41
  the, the two good parents who are married, who are raising the
• 1:12:45
  five good children or the six or the seven good, or even the one
• 1:12:48
  good child. You know, maybe you're not
• 1:12:49
  blessed with more than that or you adopt A child, right?
• 1:12:51
  Because everyone, you know, has their own thing.
• 1:12:53
  But you are already changing the world by that example, changing
• 1:12:58
  the world in a massive way. Because as I said.
• 1:13:00
  We children grow up, people become adults and then those
• 1:13:04
  adults go out and they interact with thousands or millions of
• 1:13:06
  people. Especially now in the Internet
• 1:13:09
  age, you interact with more people than ever before.
• 1:13:11
  And if you are dysfunctional and you spray that and put it upon
• 1:13:15
  all these other people, you know, you go out there and you
• 1:13:17
  can cause all sorts of untold and unnoticed damage in the
• 1:13:21
  world, right? But if you do the opposite and
• 1:13:23
  you can live a more virtuous life and encourage people to do
• 1:13:26
  the same. It's not about anyone being
• 1:13:27
  perfect, but you know you can do your best to uplift and inspire
• 1:13:31
  and be an example to other people.
• 1:13:32
  Then again, it it, it all, it all ripples outwards.
• 1:13:36
  We, we all affect one another. And I, I would like, you know, I
• 1:13:40
  think these, these conversations are extremely important because
• 1:13:43
  there are, I think there are so many issues we have in our
• 1:13:45
  society and culture, which number one, people are afraid to
• 1:13:49
  talk about, as we've discussed before.
• 1:13:51
  But also it's not just that people are afraid to talk about
• 1:13:57
  them. It's also that people are afraid
• 1:13:59
  to be truly honest, right? Be what, what do you know?
• 1:14:05
  Let let's have an honest conversation about what what do
• 1:14:07
  what do what do women, you know, everyone's an individual.
• 1:14:10
  What, what do women, what do women really want?
• 1:14:12
  What do women want from a relationship, from a marriage,
• 1:14:15
  from, you know, from the father of their children, from the you
• 1:14:20
  know what, what, what, what do women really want?
• 1:14:22
  What are their fears? How do we address these
• 1:14:26
  concerns? What do men really like?
• 1:14:28
  A conversation that doesn't happen?
• 1:14:29
  What do men actually want? If men start talking about what
• 1:14:32
  they want in women, When you start being called sexist, you
• 1:14:34
  talking called misogynistic, you start being called this and
• 1:14:37
  this. It's like, can men not have
• 1:14:39
  preferences or we're not allowed to talk about the things that
• 1:14:41
  are concerning us, right. If a guy comes out there
• 1:14:44
  publicly and is, you know, concerned about some of the
• 1:14:46
  things that I've brought up, they're concerned about the
• 1:14:48
  divorce statistics, they're concerned about the way modern
• 1:14:50
  women are behaving. They're concerned about this and
• 1:14:52
  this and this, right? They just, instead of like
• 1:14:55
  taking it seriously, oftentimes it's just like, Oh well, he's an
• 1:14:58
  insell or he's just like a, he's a red pill loser or he's like
• 1:15:01
  this or he's that. And it's like, no, some of those
• 1:15:03
  things are genuine concerns. Like these are societal
• 1:15:07
  concerns. These are legal concerns.
• 1:15:09
  These are things that he's experienced or thought about.
• 1:15:12
  Some of it might be overblown, some of the numbers might be
• 1:15:14
  off, whatever it is. But it's like the thing can't be
• 1:15:17
  like, I'll just just do it anyway.
• 1:15:20
  It's like, well, no, he's done a calculation and this is his
• 1:15:24
  current position if you want to. Another thing I wish more people
• 1:15:28
  would do, Here's another thing I think is is kind of an issue is
• 1:15:31
  that we all know that in the media and in social media,
• 1:15:34
  negative travels a lot further and faster than positive.
• 1:15:38
  And so for the people who do have like horror stories or like
• 1:15:42
  bad things that have happened or whatever, you see a
• 1:15:45
  disproportionate amount of that online and in the media.
• 1:15:49
  You don't see so many examples of happy, healthy, functioning
• 1:15:55
  human beings and relationships and families and all that stuff,
• 1:15:58
  even in in movies and in TV shows and whatever.
• 1:16:01
  It's all it's, it's dysfunction, dysfunction, dysfunction.
• 1:16:03
  It's kind of what people see. And I think that the truth is
• 1:16:07
  most people who are in like happy, healthy, long term
• 1:16:10
  marriages and whatever these, these don't tend to be the
• 1:16:13
  people who are like online and who are posting a lot of stuff.
• 1:16:17
  No, no, no, yes, exactly. They're they're living.
• 1:16:20
  It and also there's there's. Privacy, right, you've you've
• 1:16:22
  got children you don't want to like be posting your family on
• 1:16:25
  social media all the time despite you being a public
• 1:16:27
  figure. And so I think often times
• 1:16:30
  people also just don't see enough examples of it right.
• 1:16:34
  People are not like I I can, I can speak for myself as as an
• 1:16:38
  unmarried man, the thing that makes me most crave and desire
• 1:16:45
  being with a woman for life and having a bunch of kids and
• 1:16:48
  living that happy life is seeing other people doing it.
• 1:16:51
  When I see it within my family, with my friends, with other
• 1:16:55
  people, I know and I see it and I'm like, man, that's that's
• 1:16:57
  dope. Like that's you have the
• 1:16:59
  experience. Yeah, like, like you, you, you
• 1:17:01
  see it Or even just being an uncle, right?
• 1:17:02
  Like I see that and I'm like, that's awesome.
• 1:17:04
  And then I, but then I recognize for so many other young men out
• 1:17:08
  there, they're not seeing that. They're hearing the horror
• 1:17:12
  stories. They're listening to certain
• 1:17:13
  podcasts and watching certain YouTube channels and where they,
• 1:17:16
  they know the numbers, they know the statistics, they're hearing
• 1:17:18
  this. And but they themselves are not
• 1:17:19
  seeing, oh, actually, this is, here's the incentive.
• 1:17:23
  This is, this is what you could have, right?
• 1:17:26
  Like they're, they're just not seeing that.
• 1:17:28
  And so it leads them down a certain line of thinking where
• 1:17:32
  ultimately they often just kind of check out or even worse, they
• 1:17:36
  kind of go completely the other way.
• 1:17:38
  And they just fall into absolute nihilism and hedonism and just,
• 1:17:42
  OK, you know what? I'm just going to just get as
• 1:17:46
  many chicks as I can. And I'm just going to live this
• 1:17:48
  very promiscuous lifestyle. And it's going to be very
• 1:17:50
  sterile and whatever. And I'm going to dodge.
• 1:17:53
  I'm going to dodge the risks by taking all these other risks and
• 1:17:57
  living that, living this other life.
• 1:17:58
  And I don't think that is the correct.
• 1:18:00
  I think that's the correct conclusion, but I can see how
• 1:18:02
  people get there. That's why if someone's
• 1:18:04
  listening and they're blessed with.
• 1:18:06
  This family, they have a they're married already or you're a
• 1:18:10
  grandparent listening and you're married or you have a connection
• 1:18:13
  to or you are living that family beautiful life with all of its
• 1:18:17
  imperfections and chaoses. Because again, these are not
• 1:18:19
  perfect. No one, no perfect family, but
• 1:18:21
  generosity and hospitality is so important.
• 1:18:24
  You know how invite people in, especially that, you know,
• 1:18:26
  single disaffected person or that single lonely person
• 1:18:30
  because people need to experience it to understand how
• 1:18:33
  good it is and how beautiful it is.
• 1:18:35
  OK, we got to do a whole other episode.
• 1:18:37
  You got to come back, Zubi next time you're covering it because
• 1:18:39
  there's a lot more here. But thank you so much for taking
• 1:18:43
  the time. And where can people find your
• 1:18:44
  stuff? Sure thing.
• 1:18:46
  You can find me on all social media.
• 1:18:48
  At Zubi Music, you can find all of my music
• 1:18:52
  books.merchandiseeverything@teamzubi.com. That is ZUBY and Lila.
• 1:18:58
  You're awesome. No, honestly, what you're doing
• 1:19:00
  is fantastic. I've followed you online for
• 1:19:03
  years. You're an incredibly brave
• 1:19:05
  woman, courageous, wonderful example for all these things
• 1:19:09
  that we're discussing. More women were like you.
• 1:19:13
  These men would be, you know, lining up in droves to try to
• 1:19:16
  get married and whatever. So no, I just want to give you
• 1:19:19
  give you your props because I think what you're doing is
• 1:19:20
  fantastic and it's extremely important.
• 1:19:21
  Thank you. Well, you also seriously, I
• 1:19:23
  think the the. The message that you're sharing
• 1:19:26
  and what you're inspiring men and women to is just what's
• 1:19:29
  needed. So keep it up and let's keep
• 1:19:31
  these conversations going. No doubt.
• 1:19:32
  On to 100 million. Thank you.
• 1:19:35
  Thanks, Sueby.