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We are in the trenches this week · Boxing B-Sides

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The B -Side and Boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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B -Side. And the B -Side. You got a B -Side.
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The B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. B -Side. The B
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-Side thing. This is the B -Sides Boxing Podcast.
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Alright. Boxing. Fucking. B -Sides. Back up in
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your ears. I'm joined by the one and only Saul.
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What's up, guys? And Josh. What's up, dude? Hello.
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How was your Thanksgiving? Good. Yummy. What
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was the standout dish of the event? I am a broke
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student, so I only make one nice dish. I did
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write it down when talking to Shanada yesterday.
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It was like a nice... Where is it? Plank steak
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in a mustard marinade. Oven baked with onions
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and asparagus with an aged gouda melted over
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it. And some gnocchi with a garlic butter in
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a steel pan. That sounds fantastic. Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, we're back to ice soup for the next...
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Ice soup? Yeah. Ice cubes and water. That's that's
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food protein ice soup I Don't know I always think
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of the meme I always take this meme about bi
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-weekly pay, where it's like week one you're
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buying shit like the gorilla couch. What? Oh
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yeah, the gorilla couch. Yeah, that's what I
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mean. First week of bi -weekly pay, you're buying
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a gorilla couch. Second week, it's ice soup.
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This is a fucking couch? Here, let me send it.
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I found the original tweet, bro. Okay, because
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I'm just looking at Google Images and these all
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look wild. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's what I'm looking
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at. First week of bi -weekly pay, gorilla couch.
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Second week, ice soup. That's what I mean. So
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it's an ice soup week. Oh, a lot of these are
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AI because they look stupid. Yeah, no, the real
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gorilla couches are stupider, though. Boy, you
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wouldn't want to own one? I kind of do. Since
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we don't have all that much to talk about, I
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do have a little bit of MMA to throw into the
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mix. Reference to our homies over at Ultimate
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F 'n Casuals. UFC 320 took place on October 4th.
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Fucking... There was quite a few... Fun fights.
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Let's see. Yeah, the Jiri fight was actually
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crazy. Yeah. That was an interesting case. The
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way I described it was that Proska, the way that
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he fights, he does not fight on a 10 -point must.
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No. He just fights the fight as a whole, and
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he just decides to turn it up in round three
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and just fucking annihilates Khalil Roundtree.
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It was interesting. I watched the fight after
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it happened. Someone just posted the entire fight
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on TikTok with the Rocky soundtrack over it.
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I'm like, this is probably the best way to experience
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it. Yeah, that's a good way to watch it. Fucking
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Rocky soundtrack playing over this fight. Crazy.
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What a good fight. Proska's a fucking character.
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He'll put his hand over anthills and just let
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himself be bitten to numb his hands or something.
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I don't know if he's trying to absorb the power
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of the ant. True, ants are extremely powerful.
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Yeah, they are. You know what? Through osmosis,
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he could be trying to absorb that power. Through
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osmosis is crazy. Or he's trying to be like Spider
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-Man, dude. Yeah, that could be it. That's something
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that Stephen Poland should do. The radioactive
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ant. What are some other good fights that were
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on here? One that was fun was there was this
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dude. His name is Yakub Weaklax. His name is
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Yakub. Straight up Yakub. We're not saying that.
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He came in signed fresh. from outside of UFC,
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signed for a fight with Patchy Mix, who was a
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champion at the previous organization, Bellator.
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They folded, right? So Patchy Mix was a free
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agent. He signs with UFC. And he loses his first
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fight in UFC, whatever. I guess you can kind
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of look past it. And then they signed this guy,
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Yacoub, who ends up beating Patchy Mix as well.
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I think it looks like Patchy Mix. Who calls their
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kid Patchy Mix, dude? I don't know. Yeah, Yakub
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versus Patchy Mix. Like, come on. It's a movie.
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It's a movie. It's like when you watch It's Always
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Sunny, this is the fight that's playing over
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the TV at the bar. Hey, who's fighting? It's
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Yakub. Yakub. Yakub. And you can't be saying
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that now, dude. It's his fucking name, dude.
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It's his name. No, I'm saying that's what they'd
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be saying. Oh, yeah. They'd be telling Frank,
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you can't fucking say that anymore. What's his
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name? To cap off the 320, the two title fights,
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Marab Dwalishvili gets a UD over Corey Sanhagen.
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Marab continues to prove himself to be a very
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special MMA fighter. The dude has a gas tank
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that just does not quit. It is unreal. Actually,
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Isaac posed a good question that I would like
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to ask both of you. It's hard because I don't
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know if you guys know just how good this guy's
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gas tank is. But who can you think of that has
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the absolute best cardio in boxing? Honestly,
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cardio. Best cardio guy who just keep... Fuck.
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Like, right now or historically? Whatever. Historically,
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oh, that's crazy. No, because historically, like,
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you can say Chavez Sr. would not stop coming
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at you. James Toney rarely gassed. Gil Lewis
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didn't really gas to the end of his career. Rocky
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Marciano never gassed. Not the rock either, man.
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I'll take these back to Isaac, see what his comparisons
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are. These are good ones. For modern day cardio,
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Bivel will slow down but not gas. Usyk only speeds
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up. Which is, that's the scary one. Usyk only
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ever gets faster with time. Anyway. anyway hasn't
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really needed to he doesn't have to step on he
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doesn't have to that's the thing he doesn't have
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to he's pretty good though yeah but also like
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come on that that was a that was a steven butler
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type performance from mj yeah but he still went
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to 12 you could see that he wasn't tired at the
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end you know no no um shakur too shakur i can
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give benavidez that because like this guy can
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keep keep uh the volume going forever Stephen
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Fulton? I would disagree with Fulton. Nah, Fulton
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having two 12 -round wars with B -Fig gives him
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the cardio. Without gassing, gives him the cardio.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Give him the
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cardio nod. Getting blasted out is not the same
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as having bad cardio. Inu beating his ass Inu
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beating his ass isn't his gas tank. It's his
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Everything else. It's his chin, his defense,
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his offense, but not his gas tank. Is Carlos
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Castro or not Carlos Castro? I was thinking about
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Mark Castro or Carlos Castro. I think it's Carlos
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Castro, right? Carlos. Yeah, Carlos, okay. Carlos
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Castro. And the Castro fight, he was kind of
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slowing down past round eight. But that might
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just be because I think that was when the weight
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jump, maybe? Yeah. And his last beefing fight
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wasn't... It wasn't really a word. It was more
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just... No, I'm thinking the first one. No, that
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first one, yeah, 100%. But that second one, he
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just kind of... He cruised. Yeah, he cruised
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the whole time. So, at least for me, it seems
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like he slowed down a little bit. But I could
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also agree that he probably does have a good...
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Weirdly, I'll say Crawford never... Crawford
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doesn't really go fast, but he doesn't slow down
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dramatically either. Yeah. Like, with the Majumov
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fight. Yeah, like, he doesn't go fast, but he
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also doesn't slow down dramatically, which is
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good. Honorable mention for, like, a really bad,
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like, probably worst gas tank in boxing has got
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to be Caleb Plant. Oh, especially now in his
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advanced age. Caleb Plant, like, he never had
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a good gas tank. Like, against Uz Katsagati,
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like, he looked like the best boxer. Like, ever
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to live for four rounds. And then, seriously,
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he looked like the best guy to ever live. Like,
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drops him and everything. Like, looks like the
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best guy to ever live for four rounds. And then,
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oh, my God. Is his gas tank woeful? You know,
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I will say another one, too, that kind of underrated
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as well. You can disagree with me on this one,
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but I think that Better Beef, his gas tank, Until
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at least the second B -Volt fight was pretty
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right. Be good. I'll give him credit for the
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gas tank. He doesn't slow down. But again, it's
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a Crawford case where he also doesn't... He never
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steps into that fifth year. Yeah, I guess I see
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what you're saying. But I can see that in the
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first B -Volt fight, he had a pretty good gas
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tank. It's not a criticism. It's just a stylistic
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thing. I find it more impressive in regards to
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the gas tank if you're like Usyk, who will dramatically
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speed up later in a fight compared to like a
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single output type of person. I will say one
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of the most more overrated gas tanks in the sport,
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I would say probably would have to go to Tepeda.
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Oh, shit. That's a good one. It's a good one.
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It's a good one, but I feel like he's overrated
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regarding his casting because a lot of people
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say his casting is the best in sport. Yeah, bottomless.
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I'm not saying it's bad at all. Again, I'm just
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saying it's overrated. Yeah. These are all good
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shouts, though. I'm going to have Isaac listen
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to these and see what he thinks. We'll talk about
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it on the next Ultimate FN Casuals. Yeah. And
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rounding it off, Alex Pereira reclaims the light
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heavyweight title by a first round stoppage.
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First round stoppage. Shout out the guy on SP
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Discord who believes in black magic. What? There
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was a guy after this fight going like, Pereira
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is like a black wizard doing rituals for this
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shit. He is indigenous Brazilian. This is so
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funny. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe it's
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actually... You know what? Fair enough, man.
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If all your favorite fighters get obliterated
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by this guy, you might as well believe in black
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magic. That's a good reason to start believing
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in it. If he fights Usyk and beats him, I will
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genuinely believe that it's black magic helping
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him. If he beats Usyk, I'll start believing in
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God, dude. Like... This guy's not going to...
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It's like he has the heavenly mandate at that
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point, dude. You don't believe in God after seeing
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Terrence Crawford? No, I believe in alcoholism
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after seeing Terrence Crawford. No man who gets
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drunk at Quinceañeras, who gets that wasted at
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Quinceañeras was going to be Crawford in retrospect.
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So we had to believe. We had the believe out
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of Hatred Crawford, but it was not to be. Pushing
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on, coming up on the UFC side of the house is
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a fight night card in Vancouver, BC. The headliner,
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Rainier DeRidder. It's pretty fun to watch. He's
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fighting Brendan Allen. There's some other good
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fights on the card. Charles Jourdain should be
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a good one. Marlon Vera, another good one. But
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that's enough MMA talk. Moving into a little
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bit of fucking news here. Badu Jack versus Norair
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McCallion. The rematch is set for December. How
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excited are you for Badu Jack? I would expect
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him to cash out by now, honestly. Same. Yeah.
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At 41. He's been off forever. He's still going.
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He's like a New Zealand Lara. Actually, to be
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fair, this rematch, like, they are making him
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do it to keep his belt because he low -key robbed
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McAllen for the last time around. So I get it.
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Yeah, basically, if Badu Jack beats McAllen this
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time, which should be, honestly. He's probably
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just going to cash the belt out and retire. There's
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only two guys to cash out, too. Italian Gordo.
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Yep. Hey, you could always cash out with Jake
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Paul. That's true. Jake Paul is an option at
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this point in time. Holy shit. You're not wrong.
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I was going to say, by the time that happens,
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he is going to be 42. By the time the opportunity
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for a Jake Paul fight, he's going to be 42. And
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I don't know. He looks good against Makabu, but
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if you saw his last fight, the wheels are coming
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off. Yeah. The wheels are coming off. So, honestly,
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Jake Paul, that's the one. He's not going to
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cash out against someone who can actually do
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real damage. Because, like, Obitai and Zerto,
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like, that's not a way to end your career. But,
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as a blown -up super middleweight holding onto
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a belt... By the skin of his teeth? Like, Jake
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Paul, with minimal power, especially at this
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weight class. Like, he's not a KO threat for
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Jake Paul, which is where I think I genuinely,
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in my heart of hearts, think Jake Paul is coming
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up for that. For Body Jack. Or for the winner
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of this, at least. Yeah. Because they're both
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about as weak, honestly. Let me ask you this.
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Who do you think has a better chance of KOing
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Jake? Tank or Body Jack? What a fucking question.
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What? I mean, in this day and age, I mean, come
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on. It's viable to ask that question. Oh, my
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God. You know, I'll say Tank just because, like,
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you want Tank. Tank will knock Jake Paul out
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and ride into the sunset. Well, if he does that,
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I will forever be happy. Yeah. Honestly. Yeah,
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it'll be an exhibition and whatever, and then
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Jake Paul will be like, all right, I'm still
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ranked at Cruiserweight with the WBC. Give me
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a shot of that WBC belt held by Badu Jack. Well,
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Tank did say he's retiring after the Jake Paul
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fight. Yeah. I think, genuinely, it's going to
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be a horrible fight when Jake Paul wins a decision
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that you just go like, yeah, I guess that's right.
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With a Jake fight or with a tank fight? With
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Jake and Bado Jack. The tank fight's an exhibition,
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so, like, there's no, like, winner, you know?
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See, I was like, I don't know about that one,
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but... No, you're gonna get, like, a weird decision
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that you sort of agree with with Bado Jack, and
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Jake Paul's gonna have a world title that he
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holds on to forever. Well, then, honestly...
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I'm not gonna lie, that would breathe some new
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life into the Cruiserweight division, you know?
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I would cry laughing seeing this happen. The
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Jake Paul Mafia rides again. Jake Paul Mafia
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winning a legitimate world title would be so
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fucking funny. How possible is that ever happening?
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Like, legitimately? That's more likely than you
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think. Yeah, like, seriously looking at this,
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Badou Jack or Mikaelian? It's not out of the
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realm of possibility. Like, you can give either
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old timer a bag to show up. I mean, Jake Paul
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is like a hater, but he is the fight to make
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a cruiserweight. Yeah, like, neither... Both
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guys are, like, basically big super middleweights.
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And McKaylen isn't that. McKaylen's only 6 '3".
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Bado Jack 6 -1. They're both kind of small for
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Cruiserweight. They're not KO threats at Cruiserweight.
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And, like, again, if McAleenan is struggling
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this much against Bado Jack, we're like, the
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wheels are falling off. Like, he's not there
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the way he used to be. Like, put a couple more
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miles on the clock and have a go at it. Because
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if Jake Paul loses, he's legitimized by saying
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he fought a legitimate world champion and, like,
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was competitive, semi -competitive. I mean, let
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me ask you this. How good of a career has Better
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Check been had? Pretty good, actually. Decent.
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Decent. Pretty decent. He's overachieved. He's
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honestly overachieved. Let's move to Frank Sanchez
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versus Daniel Dubois in an IVF Eliminator. I
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have to say I do not – I want Frank Sanchez to
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win simply because I do not want to see Dubois
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Usyk 3. That does not need to happen. Oh, you're
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right. But I also don't want to see Frank Sanchez,
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period, point blank. That's the problem. It's
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like can't they both – can't they draw and like
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– Everyone loses. In a fun fight, they both draw,
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they have to fight again, and then Usyk can go
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do whatever the fuck he wants and then retire.
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Well, I'd rather see Frank Sanchez win than Danny
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Dubois. He's already had a shot twice at Usyk.
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Nah, but Frank Sanchez is like, he's like one
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of the least deserving guys. Negative aura. Like,
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at least Dubois is like a KO threat. Not really,
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because Usyk beat the fuck out of him. but at
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least he's a KO threat on paper. Frank Sanchez,
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like... Luis Ortiz without some of the special
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quality. Without the aggression or dog, exactly.
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Yeah. Like, Luis Ortiz was a dog. You can't say
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he wasn't. He's a dog. Frank Sanchez just, like,
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again, he just kind of... He really just kind
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of folded against Caballero. Well, his knee was
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supposedly bum. Okay, yeah. For whatever that
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counts. Why do you get in the ring then, though?
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If your knee... Saudi payday. Saudi payday, but
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also, like, instead of, like, folding and losing,
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like, again, not to question hard here, but,
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like, if you're gonna get... If you're gonna
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hang around until the seventh round and take
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all that punishment, like, give it a go. Especially
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against a guy like Kapael, right? Like... I get
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he's proven himself, but also give it a go. It's
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heavyweight. Frank Sanchez has power. Yeah, anyone
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can get hit. Sanchez has power. Like, sit down
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on your other leg and give it a go, especially
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because, like, let's say he gave up in the first
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or second round, whatever, right? Okay, clearly
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the knee wasn't it. But if the knee had you good
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enough to go around for six rounds beforehand,
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give it a go. Yeah, you could have spent your
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knee stamina on throwing punches instead of trying
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to stay mobile. You're still going to get folded
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with body shots, but I assume standing and throwing
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punches is less injurious to your shitty knee
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and lateral movement. Yeah, that's what I was
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thinking. I mean, honestly, when they fight,
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if they fight, I got Dubois winning. And honestly,
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as much as that would be pretty cool to see,
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having Dubois fight Usyk for a third time in
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a trilogy would be up there in one of the least
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deserving trilogies of heavyweight boxing. Dubois
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becomes the Derek Chisora of Usyk's title reign.
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I will say. Like, Dubois was competitive for
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exactly one second of their two fights. And it
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was the low blow. Crazy. I would say the first
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fight, Dubois had a little more competitive moments
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in the second. A little bit, actually. A lot
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more competitive moments. Yeah, I would say he
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did a lot better in the first. That's fair. To
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be fair, look at the demeanor Usyk showed up
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in, though. Like, Usyk kind of went through the
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motions. First fight with Dubois, second fight,
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like... Showed up. I don't think we've ever seen
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Usyk, like, actually, like, pissed off at an
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opponent. Locked in. Like, even with Fury, it
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was, like, it was all competition. It was all
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competitive spirit and everything, right? But,
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like, with Dubois, like, he showed up just to
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beat his ass. Wait, what do you mean? That second
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Riyadh trailer showed that it was ruining Usyk's
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life. Is that not true? Oh, I forgot about that.
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Did Usyk really not get into a car accident after
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seeing Tyson Fury's face? Oh, my God. No, maybe
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they're just reusing the... Fuck. Fuck, I forget.
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Who's the guy in the zone, the ring announcer
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who faked his car accident? David Diamante. Yeah,
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David Diamante. Yeah, I think they're just reusing
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that plot line. That's crazy. No, fuck David
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Diamante, dude. Oh, he totally faked his car
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accident, by the way. It's like the Floyd Schofield
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hospital. Poisoning. Poisoning and the Fundora
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hand injury. All of that shit's made up. Speaking
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of shit being made up and the rules not mattering,
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Ryan Garcia calls out Mario Barrios. Shanada
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called this an ass -off because Mario Barrios
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is hot garbage. I forecast another draw. He keeps
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his belt by draw number three. We're going for
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the three -peat here. I predict another draw.
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Ryan Garcia shows up drunk, out of shape, on
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dubious over -the -counter gas station supplements.
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Beats Barrios' ass for three rounds and gets
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a couple knockdowns. And then Barrios wins the
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rest of the rounds just on activity, and it's
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a draw. Well, shit. It really depends on who's
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hosting the fight. It doesn't matter who hosted
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the fight, dude. We had Pacquiao in Las Vegas
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and Barrios got a draw. Well, that's because
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PBC was hosting the fight. Yeah, Pacquiao in
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Las Vegas. It's not top rank robbing Pacquiao.
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Pacquiao is a PBC fighter. Yeah, Pacquiao has
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never been robbed by PBC. It's been only top
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rank. Only top rank. Only top rank has robbed
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Pacquiao ever. Everyone tell Barrios though.
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I don't think they want... Barrios is like the
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most nothing champion you ever want. You got
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a guy who can lose to a tune -up or you got Pacquiao
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who like... Okay, you give him the win again.
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You can't even say corruption here because corruption
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is Pacquiao wins a UD and then guess what? He
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has a title and now you can cash him out against
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literally anyone else. Yeah, you're right. Hell,
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you can have him unify. You have him unify with
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Rowley? Well, that's what kind of rumblings right
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now is that he might be fighting Rowley. It's
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less money than if he has a title and then unifies
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with Rowley. Yeah, you're right. There's no reason
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to rob Pacquiao in Vegas. I still feel like they
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robbed him. Oh, they totally robbed him, but
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I'm saying there's no motive. It's just Barrios
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having, like, a deal with Baphomet or something
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to keep his title by as many draws as needed.
27:38
That's my point, though. If it was posted by
27:41
PBC, they'd still rob Ryan, even if he won the
27:44
fight. If it was real, they'd give it to Ryan
27:47
easily. I want it to be a draw so bad. I need
27:51
a draw. I need three draws. One thing that you're
27:54
forgetting, which, I mean, maybe I'm forgetting
27:56
something in the mix, but can't Ryan not fight?
28:00
Ryan can't get at the WBC anymore, right? Because
28:03
he was racist online. And they've banned him
28:06
from getting the title, right? Yeah, so is Teofimo
28:10
and, like, Bernard Hopkins. And, like, they're
28:12
still around. Broner's a classic, dude. Broner
28:17
won a... Let's say Ryan beats Barrios. What the
28:22
fuck happens to the title? Is Barrios still the
28:24
champion? Is that what happens? Vacate? Vacate?
28:29
You make Pacquiao against the number one contender
28:33
and then... Man, this shit kills me. I need to
28:40
see a draw. I need to see a draw. Just because
28:42
it'd be too funny. I mean, honestly, I... I think
28:48
Ryan would win the fight, though. I know you
28:50
guys don't really... No, if Ryan showed up, serious.
28:53
I think I leave Ryan when he shows up, like,
28:55
not after a three -week bender. I don't know,
29:03
dude. I mean, the last time he was on some shit,
29:05
he beat the fuck out of Devin Haney. You know?
29:08
Yeah, he was on some... Yeah, and not just booze,
29:11
dude. The steroids, too. Steroids, women, fucking
29:15
everything, dude. That's what I mean, how much
29:18
talent he has. He's extremely talented. It's
29:22
just God. His coaching stinks. His attitude stinks.
29:26
He's uncoachable and doesn't train. Don't forget
29:31
the Grove. What was it called? Bohemian Grove?
29:33
Don't forget the Bohemian Grove shit. He got
29:35
kidnapped and was fucking molested. Where the
29:39
fuck happened to him? He was like, dude, you
29:42
guys remember that shit? Yeah. Okay, all I remember
29:46
people posting under those tweets was that picture
29:49
of Haney and Diddy. Fuck it. You guys, you didn't
29:57
go to fucking leaving, by the way. I don't believe
29:59
that shit. I don't believe that shit. But my
30:02
favorite, people kept posting the picture of
30:05
Diddy and Haney. Which is so fucking funny. That's
30:11
my favorite picture, dude. How the fuck do you
30:13
get mugged by Diddy? Not even that. How the fuck
30:15
are you with Diddy in the first place? It would
30:19
be funny if it was like Tank. That would make
30:21
a little more sense, but fucking Devin Haney
30:23
of all people. Soft -ass Devin Haney hanging
30:27
out with Diddy at a Diddy party. Was that before
30:30
all the Diddy stuff came to light? Yeah, like
30:32
this picture. This is a classic picture. I just
30:34
sent it. You should make that a sticker. Oh,
30:40
shit. I remember that. This is such a good picture.
30:43
Oh, my God. Oh, I love it. Did he probably pull
30:51
some strings to get that fight overturned? Oh,
30:54
my God. Oh. Nah, that was legitimate overturning,
30:59
by the way. Ryan was, like, breaking the... He
31:03
broke the pharmacy for that. That was some Jarrell
31:07
Miller failure. Jarrell Miller's failure's crazy.
31:11
That was a Jarrell Miller level failure. You
31:13
can't even tell me it wasn't. You know what won't
31:18
be a failure? Gary Antoine Russell versus Andy
31:21
Hiraoka. I'm excited for this one. Hiraoka is
31:29
a Japanese fighter that breaks the mold of typical
31:32
come forward clobbers. Both really athletic.
31:39
F1 Russell never really has that bad of a fight
31:42
unless it was Pueyo. It's Pueyo. Pueyo's uniquely
31:47
stinky, though. I can't blame him. Like that
31:50
Sandor Martin? Not even that bad, actually. I
31:53
take it back. Pueyo's like a very high -level
31:58
stinky, though. It's not like a... He's not ass.
32:02
He's just not very excited. He's not an ass.
32:05
Yeah, that's what I mean. Like, Sandor Martin
32:07
is ass and not exciting to watch. You know what?
32:12
I'm going to be honest with you guys. Like, Toyo's
32:13
last two fights were pretty exciting. You know?
32:15
His last fight, honestly, could have been fight
32:17
of the year. Please look at who he fought against.
32:22
He fought against the action fighter of the sport.
32:25
Exactly. I understand Superman and Matias. But
32:27
when he fought Sandor Martin, that was a pretty
32:28
good fight, too. You know, I thought it was a
32:30
decent scrap. I don't know. I guess. That's what
32:37
they say. Like, the thing, Martin got forced
32:40
to engage there. Yeah, I guess. I'm not saying
32:46
he's an exciting fighter, but he has been in
32:48
some good fights, you know. Again, it's like,
32:53
the Matias one, you can't, like, Matias is the
32:56
action fighter. He's the action fighter. Speaking
33:03
of action fighters... Oh, go ahead. I was about
33:11
to say, right now, with what's been going on
33:14
with the pieces moving, I foresee, and I know
33:18
I was making fun of this too a couple months
33:20
back, I see Lamont Roach and Gary Antoine while
33:24
still happening. I honestly see that shit happening.
33:28
Oh, man. Roach is going to lose the cruise, though.
33:32
You think so? What? I think Roach loses the cruise.
33:36
I just don't think Roach has it to, like, get
33:38
him off him. You're kidding me. No, I do not
33:43
think a Jamel Herring victim has it to get a
33:47
guy off him. Really? I don't know. I highly disagree
33:52
with you. I think it's definitely possible that
33:56
he can. I just don't think anything that he's
33:58
shown in his career. I mean, no, I can see why
34:03
you're saying it. Yeah, like I get, like I don't,
34:06
like it's just, it is the take I have. I accept
34:09
other takes. It's not like I could totally be
34:11
proven wrong and he boxes circles around Cruz.
34:15
I'm just saying this, that Ryo outboxed Pitbull.
34:19
Pitbull is very one -dimensional. Ryo is also
34:21
good. Ryo is okay. He's pretty good, but I think,
34:26
honestly... Yeah, Ryo... But the thing is that
34:28
Ryo belongs at these weight classes and has the
34:33
strength to keep him off. Because Roach... Like,
34:37
again, Roach came up, is coming from 130, basically,
34:41
straight to 140. With a pit stop of 135 against
34:45
Tank. Tank is basically also a 130 guy. I'm not
34:50
trying to overrate Roach because of the tank
34:53
fight. I just think that he's the better boxer.
34:56
Yeah. It's not hard to be the better boxer than
34:59
Cruz. I just think he's just not big enough.
35:03
Like, Cruz just, the setup, he's not big enough,
35:07
and the IQ is not enough to keep Cruz from just
35:12
coming at him and catching him. I don't know.
35:15
I highly disagree. I think he can use that box,
35:18
Cruz. Pipo Cruz is not that good of a fighter.
35:22
I mean, he's exciting. No, absolutely not. He's
35:24
a treat to watch, but I mean, I guess boxing,
35:29
what's his name? Giovanni Cabrera. He's a terrible
35:33
boxer, but he gave people problems. Yeah. I mean,
35:37
come on. I mean, Lamont Roach is a Jamal Herring
35:39
victim, yes, but is that horrible? You know?
35:44
Pretty horrible. Obviously, like, horrible enough
35:47
to lose to Pipo Cruz. You know? The one thing
35:53
I got to say is that, yeah, you're right about
35:55
the power. I didn't... I mean... Yeah, like,
35:58
it's just the size and strength difference. I
36:01
mean, he knocked out Rowley. You know? I just
36:05
think you gotta think... You just have to think
36:07
on the perspective of, like, can he... Does he
36:10
have the cardio to do it for all 12? Without...
36:15
Like... I think he does. Because the thing is
36:19
that it's not even like he can get in the clinch.
36:21
He's going to get bullied in the clinch Like
36:25
you need like it like really you gotta wait on
36:29
the finer details because if the ring is huge,
36:31
yeah, okay it's easy pickings right, but if the
36:35
rate it's a smaller ring and He's not quite used
36:41
to one he doesn't acclimatize to 140 properly
36:45
Like you know like this there's a lot of little
36:47
factors that can really do it here Yeah, how
36:50
many fights has it been since Roche's last battle
36:52
pro box? Look a couple right it's been a while
36:59
because he did in a while Is that pro box buff
37:02
wear out after a while? I'm pretty sure it's
37:05
worn off now that like I think the fight before
37:09
tank was Provox. Oh yeah, that was Provox. I
37:13
think the tank fight was his Provox buff. Yeah,
37:19
maybe he didn't have the Provox buff come into
37:21
this fight. I also think Cruz is going to...
37:24
It depends if Cruz also shows up with a fire
37:27
under his ass because his ability to cut off
37:30
the ring looks significantly different based
37:33
on opponent. Like Cabrera and Rowley. Like, they
37:40
look about the same when they're moving away
37:43
from Cruz. But obviously, he had a fire under
37:46
his ass to catch Roley, but not Cabrera. I mean,
37:51
even his last fight, I mean, obviously, it wasn't
37:55
really against the greatest fighter, but at the
37:57
same time, I didn't see that fire in him. No.
38:00
So, like, he can totally show up with a fire
38:02
under his ass. Yeah. Like, it's a good... It's
38:07
a 50 -50 fight, but I don't think it's as, like,
38:10
significant of a fight as it's gonna be billed
38:13
as. Well, no, honestly, the fight itself is kind
38:16
of a tragedy. The simple fact that it's fucking,
38:20
what, a pay -per -view? I've seen worse pay -per
38:23
-views. Yeah, but I just feel like this fight's
38:27
gonna be, like, 75 % chance of being a stinker.
38:30
Oh, sure. They're gonna stack the undercard,
38:32
though. I don't know. I mean... A lot of the
38:36
other PBC fighters, I know Lara. We're talking
38:41
about her right now, but Lara's going to be fighting,
38:43
I believe, in January. Gary Antoine Russell's
38:46
fighting on the Tank undercard. No, it's Janet
38:51
Beck and Lara on the undercard of this Roach
38:54
-Cruz fight. It is? Yeah. That was announced
38:58
yesterday. Oh, shit. Oh, so it's... Okay, then
39:02
I take the back. Yeah, so I was going to say,
39:03
like, this is going to be a good card. Yeah.
39:05
Mark Magsayo's kind of basic, but he's getting
39:09
a... He's rumored to be fighting an Italian guy
39:13
who also tends to have pretty fun fights. Okay,
39:18
okay. So, like, Mark Magsayo's getting a fun
39:21
opponent, and, like, Janabek Lara is going to
39:25
be... is going to be on this card. So I'm like,
39:27
at least they're going to stack the card. Well,
39:30
the people that watch the show know how I feel
39:32
about Janabek, so. No. I'm for sure. Oh, listen,
39:35
man. I want Lara to win just because it's hilarious.
39:37
It'd be hilarious. I'll pay a cheeky tenner.
39:42
They'll suck the money out of my ass for it,
39:45
for sure. I was wondering if that was coming.
39:49
They can suck the money out of my ass. All right.
39:52
But I will say that Janabek Lara is honestly
39:55
more pay -per -view worthy than this fucking
39:57
Roach Cruz. Oh, for sure. The issue is that Janet
40:00
Beck is a top -ranked loan. Yeah. So, you can't.
40:05
I mean, the fight itself, I mean, the fight being
40:09
made on pay -per -view is kind of showing a bad
40:12
symptom of a PBC running dry on the fighters,
40:15
you know? No, it's just no TV deal. No TV deal
40:18
and Amazon not giving a shit. That too, yeah.
40:21
Like, again, if they had that deal with Netflix,
40:25
like, if PBC had the same deal they had with
40:27
Amazon but with Netflix, We get a lot more free
40:30
cards because Netflix, just the existence of
40:33
having a this is what's live right now or these
40:37
are live events tab when you log into Netflix.
40:40
Does so much for promotion. It's huge for promotion.
40:44
Amazon is very passive. They'll host the fight.
40:47
They won't do anything else. There are other
40:50
martial arts promotions that are on Amazon that
40:53
are next to fucking impossible to find. Yeah,
40:56
like, Amazon is very apathetic about this stuff,
41:00
whereas Netflix, like, Netflix will treat it
41:03
like they do the rest of their programming, which
41:05
is to say they care about making money. I mean,
41:10
yeah, they see that the sport does make money.
41:12
Like, they give a shit. They don't even have
41:16
to give that much of a shit. It's just that,
41:18
like, you display it with the rest of your programming
41:20
and say, this is what's new, this is what's live,
41:22
this is coming up. And that's it. That's all
41:27
you gotta do. But, yeah, like, PBC got a bit
41:32
of a short end of a stick with Amazon, but I'm
41:34
sure they'll adjust to it and start promoting
41:36
properly. Like, Showtime was also a bit of a
41:39
growing pains period when they were with Showtime.
41:43
That was after Fox, right? No, Showtime was before
41:47
Fox, but HBO was still around. Oh, yeah. When
41:53
were they on CBS, then? That was, I think, after...
41:59
No, when PBC first started, when they first launched,
42:04
they were getting time buys on CBS, Fox, ESPN,
42:11
Spike TV, if you remember that. Yeah, Spike TV.
42:15
Spike TV, yeah. That's the one. So they were
42:19
putting themselves out everywhere just to see
42:21
what was working. Yeah. No, Showtime was a bread
42:26
and butter. Showtime was a bread and butter.
42:28
Yes, it was. Yeah. All right. Callum Smith versus
42:34
David Morrell. How do you feel about this? This
42:40
fight's going to be cool. This fight's going
42:42
to be cool as long as it lasts. Callum Smith
42:45
is a damn... He's got heart. I mean, we make
42:47
fun of a lot of British people in this... yeah
42:50
in this uh in this pod but you know what i gotta
42:52
give it to calum smith he has heart dude calum
42:54
smith is calum smith is like barely british yeah
42:58
his nickname is mundo he's he's barely british
43:02
like he like he's got power he can box somewhat
43:08
he's got a fuck ton of heart he's got a chin
43:12
like he's got he he's never had like a he never
43:15
has really a boring fight honestly like i think
43:18
the most boring he had was that the one where
43:21
he robbed john rider oh yeah that was a bit that
43:26
was a little stinky but like i don't know like
43:32
But, like, otherwise, like, he generally stops
43:34
his guy or loses entertainingly. Yeah, I mean,
43:38
yeah, he lost to Canelo. Pretty alright fight.
43:40
Like, the Canelo fight was kind of, it wasn't
43:43
even boring. It was just, like, routine. Yeah.
43:46
His fight with Betterby was alright. You know,
43:48
I liked his fight with Betterby. It was a good
43:50
fight. Yeah. It was a bit of a fun snuff film,
43:54
you know? Like, Betterby punching him right in
43:57
the throat. Yeah. It was kind of crazy. Fun snuff
44:01
film. The Boazzi fight was really good. That
44:06
was a good fight. Looking up to make sure I got
44:08
the name right. Yeah, that was the one that sold
44:10
me. Him at 175, honestly. I know it's his most
44:14
recent, but I was not sold with some of his 175
44:16
names. Yeah, he fights everybody. I got to give
44:20
him respect. He fights everybody, even if he
44:21
loses. He'll put on a good show. He's barely
44:24
British in that aspect. And Morel's going to
44:27
bring it. Morel is really good. I actually...
44:32
Like, he's so, he's really good. The loss to
44:34
Benavidez is nothing to be ashamed of. Agreed.
44:38
Well, I will say that last fight he had with
44:40
Katya was a little, it was a little rough. I'm
44:42
not gonna lie. Yeah. Yeah. Morel's got some growing
44:48
pains right now in terms of development. And,
44:54
uh, I will say that was a fucking beating that
44:58
Benavidez put on him. Yeah. So, like, those are
45:02
miles on the clock you don't really get back.
45:04
The thing is that also is that, honestly, like,
45:07
him switching trainers too can... Yeah, you got
45:11
growing pains there. Yeah. And honestly, it's
45:14
like... I see this fight being 50 -50, honestly.
45:18
I know it's kind of crazy to say, but... I mean,
45:20
I guess he counts me with winning. Yeah. It's
45:27
totally possible. Yeah. Anything more for Callum
45:32
Smith, David Moreau? Is that going to be on a
45:35
PBC card, or is that going to be on a Riyadh
45:40
card? I'm assuming it's a Riyadh card. I'm going
45:43
to assume it is as well. Riyadh's been using
45:46
David Moreau a lot, a lot being twice, but that's
45:49
a good amount for being a PBC fighter. Yeah,
45:52
Eddie Hearn, Eddie Hearn, and Saudi. I got a
45:57
feeling that David Morales is not really going
45:58
to stay with PBC for the foreseeable future.
46:02
I think that he's going to leave. Yeah, I don't
46:04
see that. Because I feel like, honestly, like,
46:08
yeah, they promoted him well, but having him
46:11
fight, you know, once every couple, not every
46:16
couple months, but like eight months, yeah, that
46:19
doesn't really do good for his development, you
46:22
know? I see him going to, like, probably a match
46:25
room. I think he'll just stay with Riyad season
46:30
or ring. Yeah. And Janabek Lara, that's... We
46:36
haven't even touched that fight yet. I mean,
46:37
that's... I'm not going to say that's the greatest
46:39
fight in the world, honestly. Again, it is unification.
46:43
I obviously see Janabek winning that fight. Lara
46:46
is going to get out. This is probably going to
46:47
be his retirement fight. If he loses, he's probably
46:50
going to get knocked out bad. If he loses. If
46:53
he loses. We've been saying, we've been saying,
46:56
Lara's going to retire for like a decade now.
46:59
True. Yeah, but this is, this is, come on. Yeah,
47:03
so I have not, I have not been a Janabek believer.
47:08
Let's say, let's say, let's say Janabek knocks
47:11
out Eric Landry Lara. Okay. Would you guys become
47:13
believers? I believe in him being the best at
47:16
160. I would not believe in him for anything.
47:19
I believe he beats Adamas, but I don't believe
47:23
he moves up. I believe the top 10 at 168, Ransom,
47:26
too. You think Canelo beats him? Oh, my God.
47:31
I think Canelo. Like, come on. Canelo could show
47:35
up on two beers and beat this guy. Whoa, whoa,
47:39
whoa. You think Canelo doesn't beat Janabek?
47:42
You're telling me that Canelo... No, I think
47:44
Canelo beats Janabek. Okay. You gotta remember
47:51
that Janabek, as much as he's still in the young
47:55
champion, borderline prospect stage of his career,
47:58
he's 32. And had a long amateur career. I mean,
48:04
you can't see the skills in this guy. I can.
48:09
I also see that he's kind of small and struggled
48:13
against Denzel Bentley. He's the one Yes, it
48:19
was come on. Yeah, I was gonna say like like
48:23
he should not be struggling with these guys though.
48:26
I mean He generally doesn't struggle but like
48:29
boots boots fucking struggle to get today's and
48:33
you took his adhesion Karen's an enormously negative
48:38
opponent though the guy you can strut Bentley
48:45
wasn't negative. Bentley was there to get hit.
48:48
He just didn't hit him. He just didn't hit him.
48:51
Bad night. Bad night. He's a 32 -year -old middleweight
48:57
champion that is fighting. I just don't. I'm
49:02
just not sold. I'm going to be real. As much
49:06
as we could open the Golovkin can of worms, Golovkin
49:11
had way more skills. There's direct comparison.
49:15
I don't know. Golovkin could box way more than
49:20
Janabek. You got to chime in on this. Yeah, I'm
49:25
trying. Now that you've thrown Golovkin into
49:27
the mix. The direct comparison point in terms
49:32
of a dominant middleweight run. Golovkin had
49:37
a better run than Janabek is having right now.
49:39
Yeah, and against, like, again. I will slag Golovkin
49:45
for not having, like, the A -plus tier opposition
49:47
until the very end of his career. But at least
49:51
he cleaned out the B and C guys. I'm just sad.
49:55
I think you'll be surprised. I'm not going to
49:59
dog on you because it's fair to say that, you
50:02
know, Jenna Beck isn't showing anything because
50:04
he has a lot of opposition. Yeah, like, I'm just
50:05
not a believer. And Janabek, if he beats Lara,
50:10
yeah, he's the best at 160. I don't think he
50:12
can move up and have any success. I think he
50:13
already is the best at 160. Lara's just been
50:20
around for so long and not like... Somehow still
50:29
winning rather impressively. You think Janabek
50:33
beats... Or longer? Do you think he beats Shiraz?
50:36
Do you think he beats Munguia? Wait, are we saying
50:38
these guys are top 10 at 160? Is 160 that thin?
50:43
168, these are the known guys at 168. I'm saying
50:46
top 10, you guys. I don't think he beats Pacheco.
50:52
According to BoxRec, he's number 8. Let me go
50:57
through the BoxRec. Okay, yeah, number 8. Number
51:00
8. I think Munguia. He beats Munguia. He beats
51:06
Munguia. He beats Shiraz. He beats Berlanga.
51:10
Berlanga is number 17 on BoxRec. That's not a...
51:13
I would say he's a name, though. He's a name.
51:16
I think him and Shiraz is actually a really good
51:24
fight if he wants to move up. I'd rate Johnny
51:26
Beck to beat Christian and Beely. This is true,
51:30
actually. Yeah, that's true. I think that's a
51:33
good fight as well. Not Lester. I don't know.
51:39
And he has good coaching. I'm saying give Lester
51:44
three more fights at top 20 level and he's a
51:50
menace. He got better during the fight with Mbili.
51:57
The ability to adapt is... Yeah, but Lester straight
52:02
up got better through the fight. Yeah. So, that's
52:06
fair. No, never mind. I felt 168 was... Jermall,
52:10
Charlo, as he is right now, Johnny Beck beats
52:13
him. Yeah, I'm thinking... The Jermall of five
52:18
years ago? Hell nah. Yeah, 168's kind of top
52:25
-heavy when you think about it. That was a bad
52:27
comparison. Yeah, maybe if you were to say...
52:30
I was thinking 168 two years ago, and we still
52:34
had Benavidez and Morrell in the division, and
52:37
Plant was still good. I would say probably Benavidez
52:40
does beat Janabek. Probably. Yeah, probably.
52:46
I think he stops Janabek. Yeah, I was about to
52:49
say, I think Benavidez decimates Janabek. Not
52:52
even disrespectfully to Janabek, that's just...
52:55
Well, Janabek's also a power puncher. Doesn't
52:58
matter. Benavidez is going to hit him with 32
53:00
before he lands the one. He's also not bad at
53:04
counterpunching either. I feel like Android is
53:08
the best analog for a good middleweight in this
53:12
era moving up to fight Benavidez. Benavidez just
53:19
fucking knocked the braids out of that man. I'm
53:22
not saying he doesn't. I'm just saying, like,
53:24
that's a pretty good fight. I'm not even saying
53:28
Janovic isn't competitive in these fights that
53:30
he loses. I just don't think he wins them. Like,
53:34
he's competitive and he loses them. I mean, what
53:38
exactly is kind of turning you off is my question.
53:41
Like, it really is just the Denzel Bentley fight
53:44
and, like, how he kind of just looks unimpressive
53:47
and then stops the guy. Like, it's really a lot
53:51
of, like, eye test. But like, like again, with
53:55
like the Golovkin being the analog, Golovkin
53:57
always looked great while steamrolling a guy.
54:00
Janabek just kind of, he's there, he stops the
54:02
guy. He's there until he stops the guy. I can't
54:08
disagree with you about Golovkin because I mean,
54:11
people talk about him being a whole thing, but
54:14
I mean. No, but I'm saying like as a direct analog
54:17
of like the like. Kazakh middleweights. The Kazakh
54:22
middleweights that don't exactly face A -plus
54:26
opposition, like, Golovkin generally looked really
54:32
good. Oh, like, just, like, he looks great. He
54:37
steamrolls these guys. He steamrolls these guys.
54:39
Like, like, like, Janabek, like, like, Curtis,
54:42
like, rolling over Curtis Stevens. And David
54:48
Lemieux is like stuff that like Genevieve. Genevieve
54:51
probably still stops them, but he probably just
54:55
doesn't look that good against them either. It's
54:58
unfortunate because Genevieve hasn't had the
54:59
opportunity to fight these other top guys. Also
55:01
considering how 160 is a fucking dead division.
55:05
That's the problem. But the thing is that there
55:07
weren't, there were no top guys at 160 in Golovkin's
55:10
day either until the end of his career. Well,
55:12
they were better than the guys now. No, the thing
55:15
is that he'd like, I blame his promoter more
55:18
for an Adamas fight never materializing. Adamas
55:24
has always been there to cross promotions. It's
55:27
never been an Adamas issue. I mean, I got to
55:31
say this with how you kind of talk about Janabek.
55:35
I mean, let me be Keishon Davis versus Naheer
55:38
Albright. If you go purely off that fight, would
55:41
you think that Keishon Davis is eh? Yeah, but
55:46
Kishan... Kishan also has other guys that he's
55:52
beaten. I'm staying up to that Nihil -Albright
55:55
fight, you know? Yeah. If you've just seen that
55:57
fight purely, be like, oh, I mean, he's alright,
56:00
but I mean... Yeah, but, I mean, he looked great.
56:03
He looks great up until then, too. Like, I'm
56:07
not saying... Again, a lot of Jannifex stoppages
56:10
are just kind of like... They're very, like...
56:14
He doesn't steamroll them. He doesn't do much
56:17
work until the stoppage. The stoppage kind of
56:19
just comes. They're fine. Yeah, but at the same
56:23
time, he still wins. He's still buying the win.
56:26
But the thing is that there's a difference between
56:29
steamrolling your opponent. It's just the difference
56:33
in how much confidence I have in him going into
56:35
a fight against one of the few top guys in the
56:39
division. Like how much dog he has? Yeah, like,
56:43
can he even make the stoppage materialize? Because,
56:48
like, a lot of these guys, again, you had faith
56:52
in Golovkin going into his A -plus matchups because
56:55
of how good he looked prior. With Janabek, it's
56:58
like, yeah, he could win, but he could also just
57:01
do nothing for 12 rounds and get shut out. Like,
57:06
there's no X factor to convince me on Janabek.
57:12
More than I have faith in Lara, there's just
57:14
no X factor to convince me on Janabek. He won't
57:17
make things happen. I think you're underrating
57:22
Janabek. I can only rate him by how he looks
57:27
against the quality of opposition he fights.
57:30
At the end of the day, I can only rate him. Again,
57:36
Golovkin also faced the B and C guys of his day.
57:39
I will slag Golovkin not. like fighting Andre
57:41
Ward forever. But when Golovkin fought those
57:45
BNC guys, he steamrolled those guys and made
57:48
those stoppages happen. Janabek does not do that
57:52
the same, like even close to the same way. He
57:56
doesn't necessarily steamroll him, but at the
57:58
same time, they're all different styles. Yeah.
58:02
So that's why I said the Lara fight is a great
58:05
measuring stick for Janabek because I'm like,
58:07
I don't care, like... Lara is basically an angel
58:10
swander at this point. I'm going to say he's
58:15
going to steamroll Lara. I think he is. I just
58:19
think he's... If Lara is still... Again, he's
58:23
fucking ancient. But... Like... I don't know.
58:30
The way... I don't think he's going to stop Lara.
58:35
I think it'll be a little competitive. You know,
58:39
if Lara makes it tricky enough where Janet Beck
58:42
can't find the stoppage, it'll be interesting
58:45
to see how it goes down the line. We'll see what
58:48
happens. I got faith in the man. All right. Let's
58:54
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previews we don't have a lot coming up um we
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have really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel
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here um first one quickly not quite i don't see
1:04:48
country box here okay uh they're not quite there
1:04:52
country box yeah like a country yeah whenever
1:04:57
we include country box uh rough and rowdy Bare
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knuckle. That's when you know we're really...
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Or street beefs events. Street beef events, crazy.
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My younger brother put me on the street beefs.
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Get these guys in the UK, dude. Put these guys
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on Probox. Nah, not quite. Probox is for professionals.
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Yeah, pros. Put these guys on matchroom shows
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in the UK. Really quickly, Most Valuable Prospects
1:05:33
18 at the South Padre Island Convention Center
1:05:36
in South Padre, Texas. South Padre Island, Texas.
1:05:42
This is mostly a women's card. Sharetta Metcalf
1:05:46
fighting Crystal Ortiz. Desley Robinson and Logan
1:05:53
Holler for the IBF and WBO middleweight titles.
1:05:57
And headlining Lourdes Juarez versus Jessica
1:06:00
Plata for the WBC Light Flyweight title. It's
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really exciting stuff. For the main part of the
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dish, Farewell to Brooklyn, brought to you by
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Danny Swift Garcia Promotions. I actually...
1:06:24
That's a good name. That's a good subtitle for
1:06:29
this card. I will say, it's rare that we actually
1:06:33
get decent titles for cards post -90s. This is
1:06:39
a good one. There are quite a few fights on it.
1:06:45
This is not the running order. This is just the
1:06:47
order of me caring about them. Yay. If there's
1:06:53
one below that I missed that you want to talk
1:06:55
about, let me know. But Damien Kaniba versus
1:06:59
Joey DeWitchco. Eight round heavies. You may
1:07:06
remember DeWitchco. He fought Richard Torres
1:07:08
and his mouthpiece kept falling out. Oh, he's
1:07:11
the guy who made AJ lose to Andy Ruiz by knocking
1:07:18
him out and sparring. Was it Dwejko? Yeah, he
1:07:23
was claiming, like, this is the rumor. When AJ
1:07:26
lost to Ruiz, it's, oh, he was concussed because
1:07:30
Dwejko beat the fuck out of him in sparring.
1:07:34
And then he got, like, a fight against, like,
1:07:40
Sergey Kuzmin. He talked himself into fights
1:07:44
with guys like Frank Sanchez because of the sparring
1:07:47
rumor. Yeah, he got Richard Torres. He got Sanchez.
1:07:53
He got Sergey Kuzmin and yeah, Torres. Out of
1:08:02
the sparring rumor, it was really funny. And
1:08:07
all with a boil and bite mouthpiece. Yeah. Fucking
1:08:11
hilarious, dude. You can't pay like a dentist
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for a shitty gum one. Yeah, they're not that
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expensive. I've had them made before. They don't
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cost a lot. Even top quality ones only run you
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like $300 Canadian dollars, which is like $6
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US dollars. Like, come on, bro. Chris Colbert
1:08:32
is back against Blas Caro. So that's a name we
1:08:39
heard in a while. Yeah, it's been a minute. For
1:08:42
good reason. That Ryo knockout was crazy. I actually
1:08:50
had some fun. That was a fun one. Moving up,
1:08:58
Gabe Rosado versus Vaughn Alexander. Alaska,
1:09:05
that's a fight of all time. Yeah, it is certainly
1:09:07
a fight. And Danny Garcia versus Daniel Gonzalez.
1:09:16
The undersized welterweight is fighting at Super
1:09:19
Welter. Yeah, I hope Danny wins. It'd be a good
1:09:26
send -off for Danny. I don't think this is the
1:09:29
last time we're going to see him. I think he's
1:09:32
doing farewell. Oh, he's doing a retirement tour.
1:09:35
Yeah, farewell to... XYZ city. First we're doing
1:09:40
Brooklyn, eventually we're going to do Vegas,
1:09:44
I don't know, just Miami, for example, and then
1:09:48
finally, farewell to Philadelphia, farewell to
1:09:51
boxing. He's had a great little career. Yeah,
1:09:55
he has. I know the money was always at $147,
1:10:00
and he had some classics there. My two cents,
1:10:06
if like... Like, ignoring money, if money was
1:10:09
not a question, staying at 140 was probably the
1:10:13
best choice for him, considering he was, like,
1:10:17
the man at 140 for several years. That fight
1:10:22
with Lucas Matisse. He was the man. Like... I
1:10:28
will say that if he should have fought Mikey
1:10:31
Garcia, that would have been a fucking great
1:10:34
fight, dude. Garcia versus Garcia. It sells itself
1:10:39
right there. It would have been good for Mikey,
1:10:43
too. I like Mikey a lot, but being the man at
1:10:47
140 like that would have been crazy. Yeah. Just
1:10:51
because, man, I know he only ever held the WBC
1:10:56
at 140, but he was the man. I think he was the
1:11:03
lineal. Yeah, when he obliterated Amir Khan.
1:11:09
Like, decimating, like, Khan, Morales, and then
1:11:15
being the shadow of Zabjud and Matisse in a four
1:11:18
-fight stretch. I forgot about that. I was like,
1:11:25
these are good. He was the man at 140. And, like,
1:11:29
none of these guys except for Morales were super
1:11:32
washed. Like, Khan had finally learned how to
1:11:38
box and everything and then just died. The no
1:11:44
-look hook. Yeah. Literally, the eyes closed
1:11:48
just erasing. It was crazy. These were great
1:11:57
wins. These were great wins. And, you know, he
1:12:00
didn't have the success he wanted at 147, but
1:12:03
also, like... When your three title fights are
1:12:06
against Keith Thurman, Sean Porter, and Errol
1:12:09
Spence. Even though he lost them, that's still
1:12:15
a hell of a run. Didn't get stopped until it
1:12:20
was way too far up in weight against Lara. He
1:12:25
didn't really get stopped to quit. He got dropped
1:12:28
pretty bad. Retired. I think it was a mental
1:12:32
break more than it was a physical one. He tried
1:12:36
everything he could against Lara and Lara just
1:12:39
dropped him pretty bad. Yeah, it checks out.
1:12:45
The knockdown was pretty ugly. I will say that
1:12:50
I'm going to ask a question. Do you guys think
1:12:53
he becomes a wallpaper? Like a first ballot?
1:12:59
He's one of those borderline guys. The thing
1:13:01
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1:13:06
don't think he makes it first ballot, but I think
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1:13:22
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