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- 0:00Foreign.
- 0:05Welcome
- 0:05back,
- 0:06my
- 0:06friends,
- 0:06to
- 0:06another
- 0:06episode
- 0:07of
- 0:07Pearls
- 0:08and
- 0:08Prep
- 0:08npc.
- 0:09Here,
- 0:09your
- 0:09preceptor
- 0:10in
- 0:10your
- 0:10pocket,
- 0:11your
- 0:11go
- 0:11to
- 0:11place
- 0:12for
- 0:12pearls
- 0:12that
- 0:13prep
- 0:13you
- 0:13to
- 0:13practice.
- 0:14Today
- 0:15we
- 0:15have
- 0:15six
- 0:16shiny
- 0:17pearls
- 0:17about
- 0:18antipsychotic
- 0:19switching.
- 0:20Things
- 0:20you're
- 0:21going
- 0:21to
- 0:21have
- 0:21to
- 0:21know
- 0:22and
- 0:22think
- 0:22about.
- 0:23Now,
- 0:23the
- 0:24first
- 0:24thing,
- 0:24my
- 0:24friends,
- 0:25before
- 0:25we
- 0:26even
- 0:26talk
- 0:27about
- 0:28pearl
- 0:28number
- 0:29one,
- 0:29is
- 0:30to
- 0:30understand
- 0:30that
- 0:31antipsychotic
- 0:32switching,
- 0:32I
- 0:33believe,
- 0:33is
- 0:34inherently
- 0:34more
- 0:35challenging
- 0:35than
- 0:35SSRI
- 0:36switching.
- 0:37Right?
- 0:37Switching
- 0:38from
- 0:38like
- 0:38a
- 0:38Zoloft
- 0:39to
- 0:39a
- 0:39Lexapro
- 0:40is
- 0:41not
- 0:41as
- 0:41complicated.
- 0:42Some
- 0:43prescribers
- 0:43do
- 0:44it
- 0:44immediately,
- 0:45some
- 0:45will
- 0:46do
- 0:46a
- 0:46cross
- 0:46taper.
- 0:47Kind
- 0:47of
- 0:47depends
- 0:47on
- 0:48the
- 0:48person,
- 0:48it
- 0:48depends
- 0:48on
- 0:49the
- 0:49patient.
- 0:49But
- 0:50by
- 0:51and
- 0:51large,
- 0:52broad
- 0:52strokes,
- 0:53you're
- 0:53really
- 0:53dealing
- 0:54with
- 0:54serotonin,
- 0:55more
- 0:56or
- 0:56less,
- 0:56right?
- 0:57Unless
- 0:57you're
- 0:58prescribing
- 0:58Paxil
- 0:59or
- 0:59Effexor,
- 1:00which
- 1:01has
- 1:01a
- 1:01short
- 1:01half
- 1:01life
- 1:01and
- 1:02Paxil
- 1:02has
- 1:03these
- 1:03anticholinergic
- 1:04side
- 1:04effects,
- 1:05you
- 1:05know,
- 1:05unless
- 1:05you're
- 1:06dealing
- 1:06with
- 1:06that,
- 1:07the
- 1:07switches
- 1:08for
- 1:08antidepressants
- 1:09are
- 1:09pretty
- 1:09clean,
- 1:10pretty
- 1:10predictable,
- 1:11not
- 1:12crazy.
- 1:13Not
- 1:13that
- 1:13complex
- 1:14patients
- 1:15can
- 1:15often
- 1:16endorse
- 1:17an
- 1:17excruciating
- 1:18withdrawal
- 1:19taper.
- 1:20And
- 1:20you
- 1:20have
- 1:21to
- 1:21slow
- 1:21things
- 1:21down
- 1:22and
- 1:22you
- 1:23have
- 1:23to
- 1:23make
- 1:23sure
- 1:23you're
- 1:24cognizant
- 1:24of
- 1:24half
- 1:25lives.
- 1:25But
- 1:25I
- 1:26feel
- 1:26like
- 1:27antipsychotics
- 1:28are
- 1:28a
- 1:28lot
- 1:28more
- 1:29complicated
- 1:29and
- 1:29there's
- 1:30a
- 1:30lot
- 1:30more
- 1:30things
- 1:30you
- 1:30have
- 1:30to
- 1:31pay
- 1:31attention
- 1:31to.
- 1:32Not
- 1:32in
- 1:33a
- 1:33way
- 1:33that
- 1:33it'll
- 1:33make
- 1:33your
- 1:34head
- 1:34spin
- 1:34or
- 1:34you're
- 1:34gonna
- 1:35wanna
- 1:35quit
- 1:35this
- 1:35profession
- 1:36and
- 1:36become
- 1:36like
- 1:36a
- 1:36tax
- 1:37accountant,
- 1:38but
- 1:39enough
- 1:39to
- 1:39where
- 1:40you
- 1:40should
- 1:40keep
- 1:41your
- 1:41ear
- 1:41to
- 1:41the
- 1:41ground,
- 1:42understand
- 1:42receptor
- 1:43mechanics,
- 1:44understand
- 1:45the
- 1:45rich
- 1:45complexity
- 1:46of
- 1:46the
- 1:46medications
- 1:47that
- 1:47you
- 1:47are
- 1:47prescribing,
- 1:48and
- 1:49anticipate
- 1:50what
- 1:50your
- 1:50patient
- 1:51will
- 1:52do
- 1:52when
- 1:52you
- 1:53make
- 1:53these
- 1:53changes.
- 1:53How
- 1:54your
- 1:54patient
- 1:54will
- 1:54respond
- 1:55is
- 1:55really
- 1:56key
- 1:56because
- 1:56there's
- 1:57a
- 1:57lot
- 1:57more
- 1:57going
- 1:57on
- 1:58when
- 1:58it
- 1:58comes
- 1:59to
- 1:59a
- 1:59switch
- 1:59with
- 1:59antipsychotics.
- 2:00It's
- 2:00kind
- 2:00of
- 2:01like
- 2:01juggling
- 2:02three
- 2:02bowling
- 2:02pins.
- 2:03And,
- 2:04and
- 2:04I.
- 2:04I
- 2:05think
- 2:05antidepressants
- 2:05are
- 2:06more
- 2:06like
- 2:06juggling
- 2:06two
- 2:07bowling
- 2:07pins.
- 2:08You
- 2:08can
- 2:08juggle
- 2:09two
- 2:09bowling
- 2:09pins.
- 2:09You
- 2:09might
- 2:10drop
- 2:10one
- 2:10on
- 2:10your
- 2:10shoe,
- 2:11on
- 2:11your
- 2:12foot,
- 2:12that
- 2:12might
- 2:13hurt,
- 2:13one
- 2:14might
- 2:14hit
- 2:14you
- 2:14in
- 2:14the
- 2:14head.
- 2:15Sh.
- 2:15Sure,
- 2:15there's
- 2:16some
- 2:16risks
- 2:16there,
- 2:16but
- 2:17then
- 2:17now
- 2:17you
- 2:17have
- 2:17three.
- 2:18Three
- 2:18is
- 2:18really
- 2:18hard.
- 2:19You
- 2:19really
- 2:19gotta
- 2:19focus,
- 2:20you
- 2:20really
- 2:20gotta
- 2:20practice,
- 2:21you
- 2:21really
- 2:21gotta
- 2:21know
- 2:22what
- 2:22you're
- 2:22doing.
- 2:23You
- 2:23have
- 2:23histamine
- 2:24and
- 2:24dopamine,
- 2:25the
- 2:25M1
- 2:26muscarinic
- 2:26receptors,
- 2:27alpha
- 2:271
- 2:27adrenergic
- 2:28receptor,
- 2:28right?
- 2:29So
- 2:29you
- 2:29could
- 2:29argue
- 2:30and
- 2:30switching
- 2:31antipsychotics
- 2:31is
- 2:32like
- 2:32juggling
- 2:32nine
- 2:32bowling
- 2:33pins
- 2:33or
- 2:33five
- 2:33bowling
- 2:34pins.
- 2:34But
- 2:35whatever
- 2:35the
- 2:35case,
- 2:36it
- 2:36is
- 2:36just
- 2:36more
- 2:36complicated.
- 2:37But
- 2:37we're
- 2:38gonna
- 2:38make
- 2:38this
- 2:38a
- 2:38little
- 2:38more
- 2:39simple
- 2:39for
- 2:39you,
- 2:40and
- 2:40hopefully
- 2:40it's
- 2:41all
- 2:41gonna
- 2:41click
- 2:41by
- 2:41the
- 2:41end
- 2:42of
- 2:42this
- 2:42episode.
- 2:42So.
- 2:43So
- 2:43the
- 2:43very
- 2:43first
- 2:43thing
- 2:43you
- 2:44should
- 2:44think
- 2:44about,
- 2:44Pearl,
- 2:45number
- 2:45one,
- 2:45is
- 2:47confirm
- 2:47that
- 2:47the
- 2:48switch
- 2:48is
- 2:48actually
- 2:48needed
- 2:49in
- 2:49the
- 2:49first
- 2:49place.
- 2:50Don't
- 2:50just
- 2:51rush
- 2:51to
- 2:51the
- 2:51algorithms
- 2:52and
- 2:52panic
- 2:52and
- 2:53wonder
- 2:53about
- 2:53the
- 2:54half
- 2:54lives.
- 2:54And
- 2:54what
- 2:55do
- 2:55I
- 2:55do
- 2:55next?
- 2:56Make
- 2:56sure
- 2:56your
- 2:57patient
- 2:57actually
- 2:57has
- 2:58an
- 2:58adequate
- 2:59trial
- 2:59on
- 3:00board,
- 3:00a
- 3:00sufficient
- 3:01dose,
- 3:01at
- 3:01least
- 3:02four
- 3:02to
- 3:02six
- 3:02weeks
- 3:02at
- 3:03a
- 3:03therapeutic
- 3:03dose.
- 3:04And
- 3:05so
- 3:05if
- 3:05the
- 3:05patient
- 3:06is
- 3:06not
- 3:06adherent,
- 3:07we've.
- 3:08We've
- 3:08seen
- 3:08adherence
- 3:09rates
- 3:10are,
- 3:10like,
- 3:10near
- 3:1150%.
- 3:11They're
- 3:12not
- 3:12that
- 3:12impressive
- 3:13with
- 3:13antidepressants.
- 3:13It's
- 3:14similar
- 3:14for
- 3:14antipsychotics.
- 3:15So
- 3:16make
- 3:16sure
- 3:16that
- 3:17the
- 3:17patient
- 3:17is
- 3:17taking
- 3:17the
- 3:18medication
- 3:18often
- 3:18enough
- 3:19to
- 3:19where
- 3:19we
- 3:19even
- 3:20know
- 3:20that
- 3:20this
- 3:20is
- 3:20a
- 3:20fair
- 3:21fight,
- 3:21that
- 3:21the
- 3:22therapeutic
- 3:22plasma
- 3:23levels
- 3:23are
- 3:23even
- 3:24meaningful
- 3:24and
- 3:25consistent
- 3:25in
- 3:25the
- 3:25first
- 3:26place.
- 3:26Because
- 3:26the
- 3:27last
- 3:27thing
- 3:27you
- 3:27want
- 3:27to
- 3:27do
- 3:28is,
- 3:28number
- 3:28one,
- 3:29abandon
- 3:29a
- 3:29medication
- 3:30that
- 3:30could
- 3:30otherwise
- 3:31be
- 3:31fine
- 3:31and
- 3:32therapeutic
- 3:33with.
- 3:34With
- 3:34proper
- 3:34adherence.
- 3:35I
- 3:35mean,
- 3:35there's
- 3:35a
- 3:35reason
- 3:35you
- 3:36chose
- 3:36it
- 3:36first
- 3:36to
- 3:36begin
- 3:37with,
- 3:37I
- 3:37would
- 3:37assume.
- 3:38Right?
- 3:38So
- 3:38jumping
- 3:39ship
- 3:39on
- 3:39the
- 3:40medication
- 3:40you
- 3:40ch
- 3:42for
- 3:42your
- 3:42patient
- 3:43because
- 3:43you
- 3:43think
- 3:43it's
- 3:44not
- 3:44effective,
- 3:44when
- 3:45in
- 3:45reality,
- 3:45no
- 3:46medication
- 3:46will
- 3:46be
- 3:46effective
- 3:47if
- 3:47they're
- 3:47not
- 3:48properly
- 3:48adhering
- 3:49to
- 3:49it
- 3:49would
- 3:49be
- 3:49a
- 3:50major
- 3:50shame.
- 3:50Right?
- 3:51It's
- 3:51like
- 3:51not
- 3:52taking
- 3:52Motrin
- 3:53for
- 3:53migraines.
- 3:54And
- 3:54you.
- 3:54You
- 3:55know,
- 3:55you
- 3:55took
- 3:55Motrin
- 3:56once
- 3:56a
- 3:57week.
- 3:57You
- 3:57had
- 3:57a
- 3:57migraine
- 3:58every
- 3:58other
- 3:58day.
- 3:58Well,
- 3:59yeah,
- 3:59it's
- 3:59not
- 4:00the
- 4:00med
- 4:00that's
- 4:00the
- 4:00problem.
- 4:01It's
- 4:01the
- 4:01adherence.
- 4:01Maybe
- 4:02it's
- 4:02the
- 4:02dose,
- 4:02too.
- 4:03You're
- 4:03not
- 4:03at
- 4:03an
- 4:03adequate
- 4:04dose.
- 4:04Maybe
- 4:04you
- 4:04took
- 4:05400
- 4:05milligrams
- 4:05of
- 4:06Motrin
- 4:06every
- 4:07other
- 4:07day
- 4:08when
- 4:08you
- 4:08should
- 4:08have
- 4:08taken
- 4:09800
- 4:09milligrams
- 4:10of
- 4:10Motrin
- 4:10every
- 4:11day.
- 4:11It's
- 4:11not
- 4:11Motrin's
- 4:12fault.
- 4:12It's.
- 4:13The
- 4:13dose
- 4:13was
- 4:14too
- 4:14low,
- 4:14it
- 4:15was
- 4:15too
- 4:15inconsistent
- 4:16for
- 4:16the
- 4:17symptom
- 4:17presentation
- 4:17in
- 4:18front
- 4:18of
- 4:18it,
- 4:18and
- 4:18it
- 4:19just
- 4:19wasn't
- 4:19dosed
- 4:20properly
- 4:20as
- 4:20it
- 4:21should
- 4:21be
- 4:21dosed.
- 4:22So
- 4:22you
- 4:22have
- 4:22to
- 4:23get
- 4:23a
- 4:23very
- 4:23clear
- 4:24inventory.
- 4:24And
- 4:25I
- 4:25don't
- 4:25like
- 4:25to
- 4:26ask
- 4:26my
- 4:26patients,
- 4:26are
- 4:26you
- 4:27taking
- 4:27the
- 4:27meds
- 4:27every
- 4:27day?
- 4:28That
- 4:28sounds
- 4:28a
- 4:28little
- 4:28pedantic.
- 4:29Sounds
- 4:29a
- 4:29little
- 4:30bit
- 4:30authoritative.
- 4:32I
- 4:32say,
- 4:32how
- 4:32often
- 4:33have
- 4:33you
- 4:33been
- 4:33able
- 4:33to
- 4:34take
- 4:34your
- 4:34medications?
- 4:34I
- 4:35find
- 4:35that
- 4:35that
- 4:36gives
- 4:36them
- 4:36a
- 4:36little
- 4:36bit
- 4:36of
- 4:37an
- 4:37out
- 4:37where
- 4:38they
- 4:38can
- 4:38say,
- 4:38oh,
- 4:39you
- 4:39know,
- 4:39six
- 4:39days
- 4:39a
- 4:40week.
- 4:40I
- 4:40do
- 4:40forget
- 4:40sometimes
- 4:41it
- 4:42gives
- 4:42them
- 4:43this
- 4:44opportunity
- 4:44to
- 4:45tell
- 4:45you
- 4:45the
- 4:45truth,
- 4:45if,
- 4:46in
- 4:46fact
- 4:46they
- 4:46haven't
- 4:47been
- 4:47able
- 4:47to
- 4:47take
- 4:48it.
- 4:48It
- 4:48almost
- 4:48assumes
- 4:49that
- 4:49maybe
- 4:49they
- 4:49didn't
- 4:50take
- 4:50it
- 4:50all
- 4:50of
- 4:50the
- 4:50time.
- 4:51Typically
- 4:51my
- 4:52patients
- 4:52will
- 4:52say
- 4:53I
- 4:53either
- 4:53forgot
- 4:54or
- 4:54no,
- 4:54I
- 4:54take
- 4:54it
- 4:55every
- 4:55day.
- 4:55And
- 4:56so
- 4:56that,
- 4:56to
- 4:56me,
- 4:57that
- 4:57open
- 4:57ended
- 4:58question
- 4:58is
- 4:58a
- 4:58lot
- 4:58more
- 4:59productive.
- 5:00It
- 5:00normalizes
- 5:01the
- 5:01idea
- 5:01that
- 5:01maybe
- 5:02they
- 5:03could
- 5:03forget
- 5:03that
- 5:03it's
- 5:04not
- 5:04assumed
- 5:04that
- 5:05they're
- 5:05going
- 5:05to
- 5:05take
- 5:05it
- 5:05every
- 5:06day.
- 5:06But
- 5:06I
- 5:07like
- 5:07asking
- 5:07that
- 5:08question.
- 5:08And
- 5:09then
- 5:09you
- 5:09can
- 5:09identify,
- 5:10well,
- 5:10let's
- 5:11get
- 5:11adherence
- 5:11back
- 5:11on
- 5:12track
- 5:12if
- 5:12adherence
- 5:13is
- 5:13a
- 5:13consistent
- 5:13problem
- 5:14and
- 5:14what
- 5:14is
- 5:14underlying
- 5:15their
- 5:15non
- 5:16adherence.
- 5:16Exactly.
- 5:17And
- 5:17you
- 5:17could
- 5:17find
- 5:18many
- 5:18different
- 5:18very
- 5:19fascinating
- 5:19answers
- 5:20about
- 5:20that
- 5:20from
- 5:20like,
- 5:21oh,
- 5:21I
- 5:21just
- 5:21forgot
- 5:22this
- 5:22is
- 5:22a
- 5:22new
- 5:22med.
- 5:23I've
- 5:23never
- 5:23been
- 5:23on
- 5:23meds.
- 5:24I
- 5:24don't
- 5:24know
- 5:24how
- 5:24to
- 5:24really
- 5:25do
- 5:25this
- 5:26yet
- 5:26to.
- 5:27Well,
- 5:28I'm
- 5:28still
- 5:28worried
- 5:28about
- 5:29weight
- 5:29gain
- 5:29or
- 5:29I
- 5:30don't
- 5:30like
- 5:30how
- 5:31sedated
- 5:31it
- 5:31makes
- 5:31me
- 5:32or
- 5:32I
- 5:32still
- 5:32have
- 5:33questions
- 5:33about
- 5:33why
- 5:33I'm
- 5:34on
- 5:34this
- 5:34and
- 5:34how
- 5:35long
- 5:35I
- 5:35have
- 5:35to
- 5:35be
- 5:35on
- 5:36it.
- 5:36Oh,
- 5:36and
- 5:36I
- 5:36thought
- 5:37it
- 5:37was
- 5:37more
- 5:37like
- 5:37a
- 5:37benzo
- 5:38where
- 5:38I
- 5:38just
- 5:38take
- 5:38it
- 5:39as
- 5:39needed.
- 5:39I
- 5:39didn't
- 5:39know
- 5:39I
- 5:39had
- 5:40to
- 5:40take
- 5:40it
- 5:40every
- 5:40day.
- 5:41Those
- 5:42things
- 5:42might
- 5:42seem
- 5:43really
- 5:43obvious
- 5:44to
- 5:44you
- 5:44as
- 5:44the
- 5:44prescriber,
- 5:45but
- 5:45to
- 5:45a
- 5:46patient,
- 5:46this
- 5:46is
- 5:47not
- 5:47necessarily
- 5:47their
- 5:48field,
- 5:48right.
- 5:49They
- 5:50might
- 5:50do
- 5:50something
- 5:51radically
- 5:51different
- 5:53in
- 5:53their
- 5:53lives.
- 5:54Right?
- 5:54They,
- 5:54they
- 5:55might
- 5:55be
- 5:57car
- 5:57mechanics
- 5:58or
- 5:58public
- 5:58school
- 5:59teachers.
- 5:59Like
- 5:59they,
- 5:59they're,
- 6:00they
- 6:00don't,
- 6:00they
- 6:00don't
- 6:01study
- 6:01psychopharmacology
- 6:02every
- 6:03day.
- 6:03So
- 6:04don't
- 6:04just
- 6:04assume
- 6:05that
- 6:05every
- 6:05patient
- 6:05knows
- 6:06that
- 6:06a
- 6:06medication
- 6:07has
- 6:07to
- 6:07be
- 6:07taken
- 6:07every
- 6:08day.
- 6:08If
- 6:08you
- 6:08didn't
- 6:08tell
- 6:08them
- 6:09that
- 6:09in
- 6:09session,
- 6:10I'll
- 6:10tell
- 6:10you
- 6:10from
- 6:11experience,
- 6:11that's
- 6:11kind
- 6:12of
- 6:12a
- 6:12problem.
- 6:13Right?
- 6:14Because
- 6:15think
- 6:15about
- 6:15how
- 6:15many
- 6:15medications
- 6:16actually
- 6:16don't
- 6:17have
- 6:17to
- 6:17be
- 6:17taken
- 6:17every
- 6:18day
- 6:18for
- 6:18them
- 6:18to
- 6:18be
- 6:18effective.
- 6:19Migraine
- 6:20meds
- 6:20don't
- 6:20need
- 6:20to
- 6:21be
- 6:21taken
- 6:21every
- 6:21day
- 6:21necessarily.
- 6:22Maybe
- 6:22when
- 6:22you
- 6:23have
- 6:23an
- 6:23aura
- 6:23and
- 6:23you
- 6:24sense
- 6:24a
- 6:24migraine
- 6:24is
- 6:24coming
- 6:25or
- 6:25a
- 6:25benzo.
- 6:25Right.
- 6:26So
- 6:26it's
- 6:26not
- 6:27implicitly
- 6:28agreed
- 6:28upon
- 6:29or
- 6:29assumed
- 6:29by
- 6:29the
- 6:30masses
- 6:30that
- 6:31you
- 6:31have
- 6:31to
- 6:31take
- 6:31meds
- 6:32every
- 6:32day.
- 6:32So
- 6:33adherence,
- 6:33adherence,
- 6:33you
- 6:34are
- 6:34going
- 6:34to
- 6:34hear
- 6:34me
- 6:34talk
- 6:34about
- 6:35that
- 6:35all
- 6:35of
- 6:35the
- 6:35time.
- 6:36It's
- 6:36so
- 6:36darn
- 6:37important.
- 6:38Ask
- 6:38about
- 6:38the
- 6:38side
- 6:38effects
- 6:39that
- 6:39maybe
- 6:40they're
- 6:40not
- 6:41really
- 6:41willing
- 6:42to
- 6:42talk
- 6:42about.
- 6:43You
- 6:43may
- 6:43have
- 6:43to
- 6:43normalize
- 6:44that.
- 6:44We
- 6:44see
- 6:44this
- 6:44a
- 6:44lot
- 6:44with
- 6:45SSRIs,
- 6:45right?
- 6:46I
- 6:47will
- 6:47talk
- 6:48about
- 6:48sexual
- 6:48side
- 6:48effects.
- 6:49I'll
- 6:49create
- 6:49the
- 6:49floor
- 6:50and
- 6:50I'll
- 6:50say
- 6:51many,
- 6:51many
- 6:52people
- 6:52that
- 6:52walk
- 6:52into
- 6:52this
- 6:53office
- 6:53complain
- 6:53that
- 6:54their
- 6:54sex
- 6:55drive
- 6:55is
- 6:55not
- 6:56as
- 6:56healthy
- 6:57or
- 6:58profound
- 6:58as
- 6:59before.
- 7:00They
- 7:00are
- 7:00having
- 7:01issues
- 7:01finishing,
- 7:02they're
- 7:02having
- 7:02issues
- 7:03just
- 7:04being
- 7:05aroused,
- 7:05maybe
- 7:06staying
- 7:06erect.
- 7:07But
- 7:07we're
- 7:07all
- 7:07adults
- 7:08here.
- 7:08And
- 7:09so
- 7:09I
- 7:09will
- 7:09normalize
- 7:10that
- 7:11very
- 7:12quickly
- 7:12because
- 7:12again,
- 7:13if
- 7:13you
- 7:13don't
- 7:14normalize
- 7:14that
- 7:14or
- 7:15bring
- 7:15it
- 7:15up,
- 7:15what
- 7:16are
- 7:16the
- 7:16odds
- 7:16your
- 7:16patient's
- 7:17going
- 7:17to
- 7:17really
- 7:17want
- 7:17to
- 7:17bring
- 7:17that
- 7:18up?
- 7:18A
- 7:18lot
- 7:18of
- 7:19times
- 7:19they
- 7:19don't.
- 7:21So
- 7:21I
- 7:21will
- 7:21do
- 7:21that.
- 7:21And
- 7:21if
- 7:22that's
- 7:22the
- 7:22reason
- 7:22they're
- 7:23having
- 7:23problems
- 7:24adhering,
- 7:25you
- 7:25can
- 7:26put
- 7:26out
- 7:26that
- 7:26fire
- 7:26right
- 7:27away.
- 7:27You
- 7:28can
- 7:28offer
- 7:28medications
- 7:29that
- 7:29can
- 7:29counter
- 7:30sexual
- 7:30side
- 7:30effects,
- 7:31you
- 7:31can
- 7:31educate
- 7:32them
- 7:32on
- 7:32sexual
- 7:32side
- 7:32effects,
- 7:33drug
- 7:33holidays,
- 7:34alternative,
- 7:36maybe
- 7:36alternative
- 7:37medications
- 7:38if
- 7:38needed,
- 7:38but
- 7:38at
- 7:38least
- 7:38you
- 7:39get
- 7:39the
- 7:39conversation
- 7:39going.
- 7:40So
- 7:40investigate
- 7:41the
- 7:42hesitancy
- 7:43behind
- 7:43their
- 7:44non
- 7:44adherence,
- 7:45investigate
- 7:45if
- 7:45they're
- 7:46non
- 7:46adherent,
- 7:46non
- 7:46adherent
- 7:47at
- 7:47all.
- 7:48Talk
- 7:48about
- 7:48their
- 7:48deal
- 7:48breaker
- 7:49side
- 7:49effects.
- 7:49You
- 7:49can
- 7:50imagine
- 7:50how
- 7:50all
- 7:50of
- 7:50these
- 7:50conversations
- 7:51would
- 7:51be
- 7:51much
- 7:51better
- 7:52before
- 7:52you
- 7:52even
- 7:53hit
- 7:53the
- 7:53prescribe
- 7:54button.
- 7:54So
- 7:54I
- 7:55know
- 7:55these
- 7:55appointments
- 7:56are
- 7:56often
- 7:56rushed,
- 7:57you
- 7:57know,
- 7:5730
- 7:57minutes,
- 7:5845
- 7:58minutes,
- 7:5860
- 7:58minutes,
- 7:59whatever.
- 8:54But
- 8:54if
- 8:55you
- 8:55spend
- 8:56a
- 8:56good
- 8:56five
- 8:56to
- 8:5710
- 8:57minutes
- 8:57going
- 8:58through
- 8:58a
- 8:58thorough
- 8:59checklist
- 8:59that
- 8:59feels
- 9:00more
- 9:00and
- 9:00more
- 9:00automatic
- 9:01to
- 9:01you,
- 9:01after
- 9:01each
- 9:01session
- 9:02it
- 9:02will
- 9:03start
- 9:03to
- 9:03click.
- 9:03You
- 9:03will
- 9:04start
- 9:04to
- 9:04get
- 9:04more,
- 9:05more
- 9:05competent.
- 9:07And
- 9:07I,
- 9:07I
- 9:08think
- 9:08it's
- 9:08very
- 9:08important
- 9:08to
- 9:09go
- 9:09over
- 9:09these
- 9:09things
- 9:09and
- 9:10establish
- 9:10that
- 9:10trust
- 9:11and
- 9:11those
- 9:11expectations
- 9:12right
- 9:12away
- 9:13because
- 9:13we
- 9:13don't
- 9:14want
- 9:14to
- 9:14just
- 9:14switch
- 9:14the
- 9:14medication
- 9:15if
- 9:15it's
- 9:15otherwise
- 9:16going
- 9:16well
- 9:17and
- 9:17we
- 9:17can
- 9:17put
- 9:17the
- 9:17fires
- 9:18out
- 9:18without
- 9:18this
- 9:19complicated
- 9:20cross
- 9:20switch.
- 9:21So
- 9:21make
- 9:22sure
- 9:22your
- 9:22medication
- 9:23is
- 9:23actually
- 9:23a
- 9:24failure.
- 9:24That's
- 9:24Pearl
- 9:251.
- 9:26Okay.
- 9:26Now
- 9:27Pearl
- 9:272.
- 9:28And
- 9:28I
- 9:28learned
- 9:28this
- 9:29the
- 9:29hard
- 9:29way,
- 9:29unfortunately,
- 9:31is
- 9:31you
- 9:32need
- 9:32to
- 9:32make
- 9:32sure
- 9:33you
- 9:33know
- 9:33the
- 9:33receptor
- 9:34binding
- 9:34profiles
- 9:35of
- 9:35both
- 9:35of
- 9:35your
- 9:35medications.
- 9:36Okay.
- 9:37If
- 9:37you're
- 9:38switching
- 9:39from
- 9:40Zyprexa
- 9:41to
- 9:41Abilify,
- 9:42you
- 9:42should
- 9:43have
- 9:43an
- 9:43understanding
- 9:44of
- 9:44the
- 9:44affinity
- 9:45that
- 9:46Zyprexa
- 9:47has
- 9:47towards
- 9:47various
- 9:48receptors
- 9:48relative
- 9:49to
- 9:49Abilify.
- 9:50So
- 9:50you
- 9:50can
- 9:50understand
- 9:51where
- 9:52the
- 9:52withdrawal
- 9:52symptoms
- 9:53might
- 9:53be
- 9:54coming
- 9:54from
- 9:54if
- 9:54you
- 9:54stop
- 9:55XYZ
- 9:55drug
- 9:56and
- 9:56what
- 9:57new
- 9:57symptoms
- 9:57might
- 9:58be
- 9:58encountered
- 9:58on
- 9:59XYZ
- 9:59new
- 10:00drug.
- 10:00Very
- 10:01important,
- 10:01I
- 10:02always
- 10:02say,
- 10:02before
- 10:02you
- 10:03prescribe
- 10:03a
- 10:03medication,
- 10:04understand
- 10:05the
- 10:05binding
- 10:05affinities
- 10:06for
- 10:07the
- 10:07receptors
- 10:08of
- 10:08the
- 10:08drug
- 10:08in
- 10:08your
- 10:08hand.
- 10:09Right.
- 10:09Very
- 10:10important.
- 10:10We
- 10:10know
- 10:10Zyprexa
- 10:11is
- 10:11a
- 10:11really
- 10:12potent
- 10:12D2
- 10:13blocker.
- 10:13We
- 10:13know
- 10:14that
- 10:14it
- 10:14also
- 10:14blocks
- 10:155ht2a,
- 10:15which
- 10:16mitigates
- 10:17some
- 10:17of
- 10:17the
- 10:17motor
- 10:17side
- 10:18effects
- 10:18from
- 10:18the
- 10:19D2
- 10:19blockade.
- 10:20Right.
- 10:20It
- 10:20also
- 10:20enhances
- 10:21cognition
- 10:22a
- 10:22little
- 10:22bit
- 10:22in
- 10:22the
- 10:22prefrontal
- 10:23cortex,
- 10:23which
- 10:24is
- 10:24very
- 10:24helpful.
- 10:25We
- 10:25talked
- 10:25about
- 10:25how
- 10:25that
- 10:26can
- 10:26be
- 10:26very
- 10:26helpful
- 10:27in
- 10:27negative
- 10:27symptoms
- 10:28of
- 10:28schizophrenia.
- 10:29So
- 10:29that's
- 10:29a
- 10:29Big
- 10:29pearl
- 10:30to
- 10:30understand
- 10:31is
- 10:31what
- 10:32is
- 10:32this
- 10:32drug
- 10:32doing?
- 10:33What
- 10:33receptors
- 10:34does
- 10:34it
- 10:34act
- 10:35upon,
- 10:35and
- 10:35what
- 10:35is
- 10:36the
- 10:36affinity
- 10:37of
- 10:37that
- 10:37the
- 10:38medication
- 10:38has
- 10:38with
- 10:39respect
- 10:39to
- 10:39those
- 10:40receptors?
- 10:40So
- 10:41that
- 10:41you
- 10:41have
- 10:41an
- 10:41idea,
- 10:42because
- 10:42I'll
- 10:43tell
- 10:43you
- 10:43right
- 10:43now,
- 10:43my
- 10:43friends,
- 10:44if
- 10:44you
- 10:45are
- 10:45trying
- 10:46to
- 10:46get
- 10:46off
- 10:46of
- 10:46Zyprexa
- 10:47and
- 10:48let's
- 10:48say
- 10:48onto
- 10:48Seroquel,
- 10:50watch
- 10:50out.
- 10:50Because
- 10:51you
- 10:51are
- 10:51going
- 10:51from
- 10:52a
- 10:52very
- 10:53strong
- 10:54D2
- 10:54blockader
- 10:55in
- 10:55Zyprexa
- 10:56to
- 10:56a
- 10:56relatively
- 10:57weak
- 10:57one
- 10:57that
- 10:57requires
- 10:58you
- 10:58to
- 10:58go
- 10:59up
- 10:59at
- 10:59pretty
- 11:00high
- 11:00doses
- 11:00of
- 11:00Seroquel
- 11:01to
- 11:01achieve
- 11:02that
- 11:02antipsychotic
- 11:02effect.
- 11:03And
- 11:03you
- 11:04may
- 11:04not
- 11:04get
- 11:04there
- 11:04in
- 11:04time
- 11:05because
- 11:05of
- 11:05how
- 11:06sedating
- 11:06it
- 11:06is.
- 11:07It
- 11:07takes
- 11:08a
- 11:08little
- 11:08time
- 11:08to
- 11:08get
- 11:08up
- 11:08to
- 11:09the
- 11:096
- 11:09to
- 11:09800
- 11:10range
- 11:10if
- 11:10your
- 11:10patient
- 11:11can
- 11:11tolerate
- 11:11it
- 11:11at
- 11:12all.
- 11:12So
- 11:13you've
- 11:13got
- 11:13to
- 11:13know
- 11:14that,
- 11:14because
- 11:15if
- 11:15you
- 11:15prematurely
- 11:16discontinue
- 11:17Zyprexa,
- 11:18you're
- 11:19not
- 11:19giving
- 11:19Seroquel
- 11:20enough
- 11:20time
- 11:21to
- 11:21necessarily
- 11:22build
- 11:22up
- 11:22if
- 11:22they
- 11:22can't
- 11:23tolerate
- 11:23it.
- 11:23And.
- 11:24And
- 11:24it
- 11:24doesn't
- 11:24have
- 11:24as
- 11:25strong
- 11:25of
- 11:25a
- 11:25D2
- 11:26binding
- 11:27affinity.
- 11:27If
- 11:28you,
- 11:28if
- 11:28you
- 11:28go
- 11:29from
- 11:29Zyprexa
- 11:29to
- 11:30Abilify,
- 11:30also
- 11:31watch
- 11:31out
- 11:31a
- 11:32little
- 11:32bit,
- 11:32right?
- 11:32Abilify
- 11:33kind
- 11:33of
- 11:33takes
- 11:33its
- 11:34time
- 11:34to
- 11:34get
- 11:35on
- 11:35board
- 11:35and
- 11:36it
- 11:36might
- 11:36not
- 11:36cover
- 11:37your
- 11:37patient
- 11:38quickly
- 11:38enough.
- 11:39You
- 11:39have
- 11:39to
- 11:39be
- 11:39very
- 11:39careful
- 11:40with
- 11:40that,
- 11:40right?
- 11:41You
- 11:41can't
- 11:41just
- 11:42like
- 11:42get
- 11:42rid
- 11:42of
- 11:43the
- 11:43Zyprexa
- 11:44that
- 11:44quickly.
- 11:45You
- 11:45might
- 11:45get
- 11:45some
- 11:45rebound
- 11:46psychosis
- 11:46because
- 11:47they're
- 11:47very
- 11:47sensitive
- 11:48from
- 11:48being
- 11:49blocked
- 11:49all
- 11:49the
- 11:49time,
- 11:50that
- 11:50when
- 11:50you
- 11:50finally
- 11:51unblock
- 11:51them,
- 11:52they're
- 11:52just
- 11:52more
- 11:53sensitive
- 11:53to
- 11:53any
- 11:53kind
- 11:54of
- 11:54dopamine.
- 11:54And
- 11:54that
- 11:54rebound
- 11:55psychosis
- 11:55can
- 11:56be
- 11:56a
- 11:56very
- 11:56big
- 11:57deal.
- 11:57But
- 11:58that's
- 11:58not
- 11:58the
- 11:58only
- 11:58receptor
- 11:59that
- 12:00Zyprexa
- 12:01is
- 12:01acting
- 12:01upon,
- 12:01right?
- 12:02There's
- 12:02H1,
- 12:03right?
- 12:03The
- 12:04anti
- 12:04histaminergic
- 12:05effect.
- 12:05So
- 12:05the
- 12:06patient
- 12:06went
- 12:06from
- 12:07being
- 12:07reliably
- 12:08sedated
- 12:08and
- 12:09now
- 12:09they're
- 12:09off
- 12:09of
- 12:09it.
- 12:09All
- 12:09of
- 12:09a
- 12:10sudden
- 12:10they're
- 12:10going
- 12:10to
- 12:10have
- 12:10rebound
- 12:11insomnia,
- 12:12right?
- 12:12That's
- 12:13another
- 12:14really
- 12:14big
- 12:14deal.
- 12:15If
- 12:15you
- 12:15have
- 12:15a
- 12:15antipsychotic
- 12:17that
- 12:17has
- 12:18anticholinergic
- 12:19effects,
- 12:20right?
- 12:20M1
- 12:21blockade,
- 12:21dry
- 12:21mouth
- 12:22constipation,
- 12:22you
- 12:22suddenly
- 12:23get
- 12:23off
- 12:23of
- 12:24that
- 12:24medication,
- 12:25expect
- 12:25the
- 12:25opposite.
- 12:26Expect
- 12:26nausea,
- 12:27vomiting,
- 12:27diaphoresis,
- 12:28diarrhea,
- 12:29right?
- 12:30Stomach
- 12:31cramps.
- 12:31So
- 12:31you're
- 12:32gonna
- 12:32have
- 12:32the
- 12:32opposite
- 12:33of
- 12:33the
- 12:33thing
- 12:33you
- 12:33just
- 12:34blocked.
- 12:34If
- 12:35you
- 12:35get
- 12:35off
- 12:35of
- 12:35that
- 12:35medication
- 12:36too
- 12:36quickly,
- 12:37and
- 12:37especially
- 12:38if
- 12:38you
- 12:38transition
- 12:39to
- 12:39a
- 12:39medication
- 12:39that
- 12:40doesn't
- 12:40share
- 12:40that
- 12:40same
- 12:41receptor
- 12:41binding
- 12:42profile.
- 12:42If
- 12:43you
- 12:43go
- 12:43from
- 12:43a
- 12:43medication
- 12:44that
- 12:44has
- 12:45Histam
- 12:45anti
- 12:45histaminergic
- 12:46blockade
- 12:47and
- 12:48the
- 12:48M1
- 12:49blockade,
- 12:50and
- 12:50you're
- 12:50going
- 12:51to
- 12:51a
- 12:51new
- 12:51medication
- 12:51that
- 12:52doesn't
- 12:52really
- 12:52share
- 12:53that
- 12:53as
- 12:53much,
- 12:54then
- 12:54you're
- 12:55going
- 12:55to
- 12:55expect
- 12:55a
- 12:56really
- 12:56big
- 12:56difference
- 12:57in
- 12:57your
- 12:57patient's
- 12:58presentation.
- 12:58Right.
- 12:59Case
- 12:59in
- 13:00point,
- 13:00Zyprexa.
- 13:01Again,
- 13:02H1M1
- 13:03blockade.
- 13:03You
- 13:04go
- 13:04to
- 13:04Latuda.
- 13:05Latuda
- 13:05doesn't
- 13:05really
- 13:05have
- 13:06as
- 13:06much
- 13:06muscarinic
- 13:07blockade.
- 13:08Right.
- 13:08Anticholinergic
- 13:09effects.
- 13:10So
- 13:10you
- 13:10go
- 13:10from
- 13:10Zyprexa
- 13:11to
- 13:11Latuda
- 13:12and
- 13:12all
- 13:12of
- 13:12a
- 13:12sudden
- 13:13your
- 13:13patient's
- 13:13not
- 13:13sedated
- 13:14anymore
- 13:14that
- 13:15much.
- 13:15Right.
- 13:16And
- 13:16so
- 13:16they
- 13:17might
- 13:17have
- 13:17some
- 13:17rebound
- 13:18insomnia.
- 13:18Well,
- 13:18you
- 13:18need
- 13:18to
- 13:19make
- 13:19a
- 13:19plan
- 13:19for
- 13:19that.
- 13:20You
- 13:20can't
- 13:20just
- 13:20cross
- 13:21titrate
- 13:21and
- 13:21go,
- 13:21oh,
- 13:21I
- 13:22hope
- 13:22everything's
- 13:22going
- 13:22to
- 13:22be
- 13:22okay.
- 13:23You've
- 13:23got
- 13:24to
- 13:24factor
- 13:24in
- 13:25that
- 13:25there's
- 13:25other
- 13:26receptors
- 13:26being
- 13:26implicated
- 13:27here
- 13:27that
- 13:27are
- 13:27no
- 13:27longer
- 13:28really
- 13:29being
- 13:29contained
- 13:30or
- 13:30controlled
- 13:31or
- 13:31looked
- 13:31at
- 13:32or
- 13:32being
- 13:32treated
- 13:32with.
- 13:33So
- 13:33what's
- 13:34next?
- 13:34You've,
- 13:34you
- 13:34need
- 13:35a
- 13:35plan
- 13:35for
- 13:36how
- 13:36you're
- 13:36going
- 13:36to
- 13:36deal
- 13:36with
- 13:36that
- 13:37rebound
- 13:37insomnia,
- 13:38that
- 13:38rebound
- 13:38agitation
- 13:39once
- 13:39the
- 13:40histamine
- 13:40blockade
- 13:41has
- 13:41been
- 13:41lifted.
- 13:42It's
- 13:42been
- 13:43so
- 13:43your
- 13:43body's
- 13:43been,
- 13:44and
- 13:44your
- 13:44brain
- 13:44has
- 13:44been
- 13:45so
- 13:45used
- 13:45to
- 13:45the
- 13:45histamine
- 13:46blockade
- 13:46on
- 13:46Zyprexa
- 13:47and
- 13:47in
- 13:48comes
- 13:48Latuda,
- 13:48you're
- 13:48like,
- 13:49wait
- 13:49a
- 13:49minute,
- 13:49where
- 13:49is
- 13:49all
- 13:49this?
- 13:50You
- 13:50get
- 13:50agitated,
- 13:51you
- 13:51have
- 13:51insomnia
- 13:52that
- 13:52can
- 13:53be
- 13:53mistaken
- 13:53for
- 13:54psychosis
- 13:55or,
- 13:55you
- 13:55know,
- 13:55it
- 13:55just,
- 13:56it
- 13:56could
- 13:56be
- 13:56messy.
- 13:56Right
- 13:57now
- 13:57you
- 13:57have
- 13:57akasthesia
- 13:58in
- 13:58the
- 13:58mix.
- 13:59And
- 13:59so
- 13:59things
- 13:59can
- 14:00get
- 14:00murky
- 14:00very
- 14:00quickly.
- 14:01So
- 14:01having
- 14:01an
- 14:02appreciation
- 14:02for
- 14:03the
- 14:03receptor
- 14:03binding
- 14:04profiles
- 14:04of
- 14:05both
- 14:05of
- 14:05the
- 14:05medications
- 14:05you
- 14:06have
- 14:06are
- 14:06going
- 14:07to
- 14:07really
- 14:07help
- 14:07you
- 14:08plan
- 14:08in
- 14:08advance
- 14:09to
- 14:10say,
- 14:10okay,
- 14:10what
- 14:10is
- 14:10the
- 14:11worst
- 14:11thing
- 14:11that
- 14:11can
- 14:11happen
- 14:11with
- 14:12this
- 14:12patient
- 14:12right
- 14:12now
- 14:13that
- 14:13they
- 14:13can
- 14:13have
- 14:13a
- 14:13rebound
- 14:14psychosis?
- 14:14Right.
- 14:15D2,
- 14:15I
- 14:15would
- 14:15say,
- 14:15I
- 14:16would
- 14:16always
- 14:16start
- 14:16with
- 14:16D2.
- 14:17And
- 14:17we
- 14:18did
- 14:18start
- 14:18with
- 14:18D2
- 14:19just
- 14:19now
- 14:19in
- 14:19this,
- 14:19in
- 14:20this
- 14:20second
- 14:20pearl.
- 14:21Right.
- 14:21You
- 14:22start
- 14:22with
- 14:22D2
- 14:23because
- 14:23you
- 14:24don't
- 14:24want
- 14:24that
- 14:24rebound
- 14:25psychosis.
- 14:25That's
- 14:26really
- 14:27essential.
- 14:27Okay.
- 14:28And
- 14:28so
- 14:29make
- 14:29sure
- 14:30that
- 14:30the
- 14:30medication
- 14:31you
- 14:31are
- 14:31switching
- 14:32to
- 14:33has
- 14:33the
- 14:33level
- 14:34of
- 14:34D2
- 14:34blockade
- 14:35needed.
- 14:35And
- 14:35if
- 14:36not,
- 14:36you
- 14:36have
- 14:36to,
- 14:37you
- 14:37know,
- 14:38you,
- 14:38you
- 14:38have
- 14:38to
- 14:39cross
- 14:39titrate
- 14:40accordingly
- 14:41to
- 14:41make
- 14:41sure
- 14:41that
- 14:41D2
- 14:42blockade
- 14:42is
- 14:43always
- 14:43being
- 14:43covered
- 14:44throughout
- 14:44the
- 14:45titration.
- 14:45Because
- 14:46if
- 14:46you
- 14:46mismatch
- 14:47the,
- 14:48the
- 14:48cross
- 14:48titration
- 14:49timing,
- 14:49you'll
- 14:50have
- 14:50a
- 14:50patient
- 14:50who's
- 14:51being
- 14:51underdosed
- 14:51and
- 14:52they
- 14:52have
- 14:52rebound
- 14:52psychosis.
- 14:53And
- 14:53I've
- 14:53seen
- 14:53this
- 14:53in
- 14:53practice,
- 14:54I've
- 14:54seen
- 14:55this
- 14:55where
- 14:55patients
- 14:56become
- 14:56more
- 14:57manic,
- 14:57they
- 14:57become
- 14:57more
- 14:57psychotic,
- 14:58they
- 14:58pace
- 14:59in
- 14:59the
- 14:59wee
- 14:59hours
- 14:59of
- 15:00the
- 15:00night,
- 15:00they
- 15:00become
- 15:00more
- 15:01agitated,
- 15:01potentially
- 15:02more
- 15:02violent.
- 15:03They
- 15:03might
- 15:03do
- 15:03more
- 15:03impulsive
- 15:04things
- 15:04because
- 15:05we're
- 15:05not
- 15:05blocking
- 15:06D2
- 15:06enough.
- 15:07Especially
- 15:07if
- 15:07you
- 15:08go
- 15:08from,
- 15:08like,
- 15:09Risperdal
- 15:10to.
- 15:10To
- 15:11Quetiapine.
- 15:12Watch
- 15:12out
- 15:13if
- 15:13you
- 15:13make
- 15:13that
- 15:13switch
- 15:14too
- 15:14quick.
- 15:14Your
- 15:15patient's
- 15:15kind
- 15:15of
- 15:15hanging
- 15:16out
- 15:16without
- 15:16a
- 15:17D2
- 15:17blockade.
- 15:17All
- 15:17of
- 15:18a
- 15:18sudden,
- 15:18as
- 15:18you're
- 15:18waiting
- 15:19for
- 15:19the
- 15:19Seroquel
- 15:20to.
- 15:20To
- 15:20climb
- 15:21up
- 15:21to
- 15:21those
- 15:21D2
- 15:22blockade
- 15:23levels,
- 15:23well,
- 15:24that's
- 15:24a
- 15:24major
- 15:25problem.
- 15:25And
- 15:26you
- 15:26can
- 15:26run
- 15:26into
- 15:26big
- 15:27issues.
- 15:27So
- 15:27know
- 15:28your
- 15:28receptor
- 15:29binding
- 15:29profiles
- 15:30cold,
- 15:30my
- 15:30friends.
- 15:30And
- 15:31the
- 15:31more
- 15:31you
- 15:31do
- 15:31that,
- 15:31the
- 15:32more
- 15:32empowered
- 15:32you're.
- 15:33You're
- 15:33going
- 15:33to
- 15:33be
- 15:33to
- 15:34expect
- 15:34side
- 15:34effects
- 15:35and
- 15:35to
- 15:35do
- 15:35clean
- 15:36cross
- 15:36titrations.
- 15:37Also
- 15:37follow
- 15:38cross
- 15:38titration
- 15:39guides.
- 15:39Those
- 15:39are
- 15:40very
- 15:40helpful.
- 15:41Now,
- 15:41the
- 15:41third
- 15:41pearl
- 15:42is
- 15:42to
- 15:42compare
- 15:42the
- 15:42half
- 15:43lives
- 15:43of
- 15:43your
- 15:43medications.
- 15:44Half
- 15:45lives
- 15:45matter.
- 15:46They
- 15:46absolutely
- 15:47matter.
- 15:48Because
- 15:49what
- 15:50you
- 15:50do
- 15:50here
- 15:51is
- 15:51a
- 15:52good
- 15:52example,
- 15:52is
- 15:52like
- 15:52Zyprexa
- 15:53and
- 15:53abilify,
- 15:54right?
- 15:54Zyprexa,
- 15:5630
- 15:56hours,
- 15:57half
- 15:57life,
- 15:58abilify
- 15:58about
- 15:5975
- 15:59hours.
- 16:00Okay?
- 16:01So
- 16:02you
- 16:02want
- 16:03to
- 16:03watch
- 16:03that.
- 16:03Because
- 16:04Abilify
- 16:05has
- 16:05a
- 16:05much
- 16:05higher
- 16:05half
- 16:06life.
- 16:06It's
- 16:06going
- 16:06to
- 16:06take
- 16:07longer
- 16:07to
- 16:07get
- 16:07on
- 16:07the
- 16:07bus.
- 16:08Abilify
- 16:08takes
- 16:09longer
- 16:09to
- 16:09get
- 16:10on
- 16:10the
- 16:10bus
- 16:10and
- 16:11to
- 16:11fill
- 16:11up
- 16:11the
- 16:12seats.
- 16:12So
- 16:13again,
- 16:13you
- 16:13don't
- 16:13want
- 16:13to,
- 16:13like,
- 16:14do
- 16:14this
- 16:14direct
- 16:14switch.
- 16:15I
- 16:15probably
- 16:15wouldn't
- 16:16do
- 16:16a
- 16:16direct
- 16:16switch
- 16:17overnight
- 16:17because
- 16:18Zyprexa
- 16:19levels
- 16:19are
- 16:19going
- 16:20to
- 16:20fall,
- 16:20and
- 16:20Abilify
- 16:21is
- 16:21going
- 16:21to
- 16:21take
- 16:21its
- 16:21sweet
- 16:22time
- 16:22to
- 16:23really
- 16:23occupy
- 16:24enough
- 16:24of
- 16:25the
- 16:25T2
- 16:25receptors
- 16:26to
- 16:27give
- 16:27you
- 16:27an
- 16:27antipsychotic
- 16:28effect.
- 16:29You
- 16:29also
- 16:29have
- 16:29to
- 16:30be
- 16:30careful
- 16:30not
- 16:30to
- 16:31confuse
- 16:31you,
- 16:31but
- 16:32you
- 16:32have
- 16:32to
- 16:32be
- 16:33careful
- 16:34because
- 16:34Abilify
- 16:35is
- 16:35also
- 16:36a
- 16:36partial
- 16:36agonist,
- 16:37right?
- 16:37We've
- 16:38talked
- 16:38about
- 16:38that
- 16:39extensively.
- 16:40So
- 16:40when
- 16:40you
- 16:40have
- 16:40this
- 16:40heavy
- 16:41D2
- 16:41blocker
- 16:42like
- 16:42Zyprexa,
- 16:43it's
- 16:43blocking
- 16:43those
- 16:43D2
- 16:44receptors
- 16:44really
- 16:45tightly
- 16:45and
- 16:46robustly.
- 16:46And
- 16:47you
- 16:47introduce
- 16:47something
- 16:47like
- 16:47Abilify.
- 16:48If
- 16:48you
- 16:48introduce
- 16:49it
- 16:49too
- 16:49quickly,
- 16:50also
- 16:50you
- 16:51run
- 16:51into
- 16:51problems,
- 16:52because
- 16:52Abilify
- 16:53is
- 16:53like
- 16:53that
- 16:53magic
- 16:54dial,
- 16:54right?
- 16:55It's
- 16:55going
- 16:55to
- 16:55put
- 16:55dopamine
- 16:56into
- 16:56sort
- 16:57of
- 16:57a
- 16:57sweet
- 16:57spot.
- 16:58So
- 16:58it's
- 16:58going
- 16:58to
- 16:58lower
- 16:59the
- 16:59D2
- 16:59blockade
- 17:00pretty
- 17:01quickly
- 17:01because
- 17:02Zyprexa
- 17:02has
- 17:03been
- 17:04blocking
- 17:04it
- 17:04so
- 17:05fiercely.
- 17:05And
- 17:06Abilify
- 17:06is
- 17:07going
- 17:07to
- 17:07turn
- 17:07that
- 17:07dial.
- 17:08If
- 17:08you
- 17:08raise
- 17:08it
- 17:08too
- 17:09fast,
- 17:09too
- 17:09high,
- 17:10too
- 17:10fast,
- 17:10it's
- 17:11going
- 17:11to
- 17:11turn
- 17:11that
- 17:11dial
- 17:12and
- 17:12you
- 17:12might
- 17:13have
- 17:13some
- 17:13rebound
- 17:13psychosis
- 17:14too
- 17:14quickly,
- 17:15right?
- 17:15So
- 17:15you
- 17:15don't
- 17:15want
- 17:15to
- 17:16do
- 17:16that.
- 17:16You
- 17:16got
- 17:16to
- 17:16be
- 17:16very
- 17:17mindful
- 17:17of
- 17:17the
- 17:17mechanics
- 17:18that
- 17:18Zyprexa
- 17:19is
- 17:19a
- 17:19very
- 17:19potent
- 17:20D2
- 17:20blocker.
- 17:21And
- 17:21now
- 17:21you're
- 17:21adding
- 17:21a
- 17:22partial
- 17:22agonist.
- 17:23That's
- 17:23a
- 17:23bit
- 17:23of
- 17:24a
- 17:24problem,
- 17:24right?
- 17:24That's.
- 17:25That's
- 17:26an
- 17:26issue.
- 17:26It's
- 17:26the
- 17:27same
- 17:27principle
- 17:27with
- 17:28partial
- 17:28agonism
- 17:28with
- 17:29buprenorphine
- 17:29in
- 17:30the
- 17:30opioid
- 17:30use
- 17:31arena,
- 17:32where
- 17:33if
- 17:33you
- 17:34add
- 17:35a,
- 17:36like
- 17:36naltrexone,
- 17:37it's.
- 17:38It's
- 17:38a
- 17:38little
- 17:38bit
- 17:38different,
- 17:39but
- 17:39you
- 17:39add
- 17:39naltrexone
- 17:40too
- 17:41quickly
- 17:41and
- 17:42you
- 17:42can
- 17:42completely
- 17:43antagonize
- 17:44the
- 17:44opioid
- 17:45receptor
- 17:45and
- 17:45put
- 17:46somebody
- 17:46into
- 17:46a
- 17:46precipitous
- 17:47withdrawal.
- 17:48So
- 17:48you
- 17:48have
- 17:48to
- 17:48be
- 17:49very
- 17:49mindful
- 17:50over
- 17:50about
- 17:51which
- 17:51medications
- 17:52are
- 17:52partial
- 17:52agonists,
- 17:53how
- 17:53do
- 17:53those
- 17:54behave,
- 17:54you
- 17:55know,
- 17:55which
- 17:55ones
- 17:55are
- 17:55antagonists,
- 17:56how
- 17:57do
- 17:57those
- 17:57behave?
- 17:58And
- 17:59same
- 17:59thing
- 17:59goes
- 18:00for
- 18:00Abilify.
- 18:01Okay?
- 18:01So
- 18:01look
- 18:01at
- 18:02the
- 18:02half
- 18:02life
- 18:02of
- 18:02half
- 18:03lives
- 18:03of
- 18:03your
- 18:03medication.
- 18:04Same
- 18:04thing
- 18:04goes
- 18:04with
- 18:04SSRIs,
- 18:05right?
- 18:06If
- 18:06you're
- 18:06switching
- 18:07from
- 18:07Effexor
- 18:09to
- 18:09Prozac,
- 18:10watch
- 18:10out,
- 18:11because
- 18:11Effexor
- 18:12is
- 18:12going
- 18:12to
- 18:12get
- 18:13out
- 18:13of
- 18:13the
- 18:13system
- 18:13very
- 18:13quickly
- 18:14and
- 18:14leave
- 18:14you
- 18:15kind
- 18:15of
- 18:16cold
- 18:16and
- 18:16naked
- 18:16and
- 18:16afraid,
- 18:17and
- 18:18you're
- 18:19going
- 18:19to
- 18:19be
- 18:19waiting
- 18:19for
- 18:19Prozac
- 18:20to
- 18:20reach
- 18:20a
- 18:20steady
- 18:21state
- 18:21for
- 18:21a
- 18:21pretty
- 18:22long
- 18:22time.
- 18:22They
- 18:23don't
- 18:23want
- 18:23to
- 18:23really
- 18:23stop
- 18:24Effexor
- 18:24that
- 18:25quickly.
- 18:25You
- 18:25want
- 18:26the
- 18:26Prozac
- 18:26to
- 18:26be
- 18:27able
- 18:27to
- 18:27accumulate
- 18:28and
- 18:28reach
- 18:28steady
- 18:29state
- 18:29and
- 18:30not
- 18:30strip
- 18:30that
- 18:31patient
- 18:31down
- 18:31with
- 18:32the
- 18:32Effexor
- 18:32too
- 18:32quickly,
- 18:33especially
- 18:33with
- 18:34all
- 18:34of
- 18:34the
- 18:35potential
- 18:35side
- 18:35effects
- 18:36and
- 18:36the
- 18:36withdrawal
- 18:37effects
- 18:37that
- 18:37Effexor
- 18:38is
- 18:38known
- 18:38for.
- 18:39So
- 18:39know
- 18:39your
- 18:39half
- 18:39lives,
- 18:40my
- 18:40friend.
- 18:40Know
- 18:41your
- 18:41receptor
- 18:41affinities.
- 18:42Know
- 18:42your
- 18:43half
- 18:43lives.
- 18:43Very
- 18:44important,
- 18:44okay?
- 18:45You
- 18:46want
- 18:46them
- 18:46to
- 18:46kind
- 18:46of
- 18:46match
- 18:47and
- 18:47consult
- 18:48your
- 18:48drug
- 18:48guides
- 18:49when
- 18:49they
- 18:49don't
- 18:49match
- 18:49about
- 18:50how
- 18:50you
- 18:50do
- 18:50this.
- 18:51There's
- 18:51always
- 18:51a
- 18:51way
- 18:52forward.
- 18:52You
- 18:52can
- 18:53absolutely
- 18:54knock
- 18:54it
- 18:54out
- 18:54of
- 18:54the
- 18:55park
- 18:55if
- 18:55you
- 18:55just,
- 18:56you
- 18:56know,
- 18:57look
- 18:57at
- 18:57your
- 18:57half
- 18:58lives
- 18:58and
- 18:58the
- 18:58cross
- 18:59titration
- 19:00guidance.
- 19:00Okay?
- 19:00Pro
- 19:014
- 19:01was
- 19:02the
- 19:02watch
- 19:02out
- 19:03for
- 19:03a
- 19:03dopamine
- 19:03partial
- 19:04agonist
- 19:04switch.
- 19:05Right?
- 19:05We
- 19:05just
- 19:05kind
- 19:05of
- 19:05talked
- 19:06about
- 19:06this.
- 19:07I
- 19:07would
- 19:07just
- 19:07add
- 19:08that
- 19:08Abilify,
- 19:09Brexpriprazole,
- 19:10and
- 19:10Vraylar
- 19:11are
- 19:11all
- 19:11partial
- 19:12D2
- 19:12agonists,
- 19:13right?
- 19:13So
- 19:13they
- 19:14bind
- 19:14to
- 19:14D2
- 19:15receptors
- 19:15tightly,
- 19:16but
- 19:16they
- 19:16only
- 19:17partially
- 19:17activate
- 19:18them.
- 19:18Right.
- 19:19And
- 19:19so
- 19:20that's
- 19:20again,
- 19:20why
- 19:21you
- 19:21have
- 19:21to
- 19:21be
- 19:21a
- 19:21little
- 19:22bit
- 19:22careful,
- 19:23because
- 19:23Zyprexa
- 19:24is
- 19:24a
- 19:24potent
- 19:25D2
- 19:25antagonist.
- 19:26So
- 19:26when
- 19:27you
- 19:27add
- 19:27abilify,
- 19:29it
- 19:29competes
- 19:29for
- 19:30D2
- 19:30receptors,
- 19:31okay?
- 19:32And
- 19:32it's
- 19:32going
- 19:32to
- 19:32increase
- 19:33the
- 19:33dopaminergic
- 19:34tone.
- 19:34But
- 19:34if
- 19:34you're.
- 19:35If
- 19:35your
- 19:36mind
- 19:36and
- 19:36body
- 19:36has
- 19:36been
- 19:37so
- 19:37used
- 19:37to
- 19:37that,
- 19:37dopamine
- 19:38being
- 19:38blocked.
- 19:39And
- 19:39now
- 19:39all
- 19:40of
- 19:40a
- 19:40sudden
- 19:40Abilify
- 19:41kind
- 19:41of
- 19:41comes
- 19:41in
- 19:41there
- 19:41and
- 19:41starts
- 19:42increasing
- 19:42the
- 19:42dopaminergic
- 19:43tone.
- 19:44You
- 19:44might
- 19:45have
- 19:45this
- 19:45super
- 19:45sensitivity,
- 19:46this
- 19:46worsening
- 19:47of
- 19:47psychosis,
- 19:48agitation,
- 19:49insomnia.
- 19:50And
- 19:50just
- 19:50like
- 19:51we
- 19:51talked
- 19:51about
- 19:51the
- 19:51receptor
- 19:52affinity
- 19:52from
- 19:52before,
- 19:53right.
- 19:53If
- 19:53you're
- 19:54going
- 19:54from
- 19:54Zyprexa
- 19:55to
- 19:55Abilify,
- 19:56you're
- 19:56going
- 19:57from
- 19:57a
- 19:57strong
- 19:57H1
- 19:58and
- 19:58M1
- 19:58blockade
- 19:59with
- 19:59Zyprexa.
- 20:00And
- 20:00Abilify
- 20:01kind
- 20:01of
- 20:01lacks
- 20:01that.
- 20:02So
- 20:03the
- 20:03first
- 20:03thing
- 20:03you
- 20:04should
- 20:04think
- 20:04about
- 20:04is,
- 20:04wait
- 20:04a
- 20:04minute,
- 20:05I'm
- 20:05going
- 20:05from
- 20:05a
- 20:05medication
- 20:06that's
- 20:06really
- 20:06blocking
- 20:07H1
- 20:07and
- 20:07M1
- 20:08and
- 20:08this
- 20:09new
- 20:09one
- 20:09doesn't.
- 20:10So
- 20:10what
- 20:10am
- 20:10I
- 20:11going
- 20:11to
- 20:11expect?
- 20:12You're
- 20:13going
- 20:13to
- 20:13expect
- 20:13some
- 20:13rebound
- 20:14cholinergic
- 20:15and
- 20:15histaminergic
- 20:16rebound.
- 20:17You're
- 20:17going
- 20:17to
- 20:17have
- 20:18the
- 20:18wetness,
- 20:18right.
- 20:19When
- 20:19you
- 20:19the
- 20:20cholinergic
- 20:21side
- 20:21effects
- 20:22as
- 20:22opposed
- 20:22to
- 20:22anticholinergic
- 20:23side
- 20:23effects.
- 20:24Cholinergic
- 20:24side
- 20:25effects
- 20:25are
- 20:25the
- 20:26nausea,
- 20:26diarrhea,
- 20:27vomiting.
- 20:28Right.
- 20:29Stomach
- 20:29cramps.
- 20:30Okay?
- 20:30That's
- 20:30what
- 20:30you're
- 20:30going
- 20:31to
- 20:31expect
- 20:31because
- 20:32you
- 20:32had
- 20:32the
- 20:33opposite
- 20:33of
- 20:33that
- 20:33for
- 20:34so
- 20:34long
- 20:34with
- 20:34Zyprexa,
- 20:35and
- 20:35now
- 20:35you're
- 20:35switching
- 20:36Zyprexa
- 20:36to
- 20:37a
- 20:37medication
- 20:37where
- 20:38that's
- 20:38not
- 20:39a
- 20:39big
- 20:40drug
- 20:40affinity.
- 20:40Right.
- 20:40Abilify
- 20:41does
- 20:41not
- 20:41have
- 20:42a
- 20:42big
- 20:42affinity
- 20:42for
- 20:43M1
- 20:43or
- 20:43H1
- 20:44blockade.
- 20:45Right.
- 20:45Zyprexa
- 20:46was
- 20:46so
- 20:46good
- 20:47at
- 20:48sedating
- 20:48somebody
- 20:49with
- 20:49that
- 20:50H1
- 20:50blockade.
- 20:51Well,
- 20:51we're
- 20:51moving
- 20:52to
- 20:52Abilify
- 20:52and
- 20:53it's
- 20:53not
- 20:53all
- 20:53about
- 20:53that
- 20:53H1
- 20:54blockade.
- 20:55So
- 20:55the
- 20:55patient
- 20:56is
- 20:56going
- 20:56to
- 20:57may
- 20:57very
- 20:57well
- 20:57have
- 20:57rebound
- 20:58insomnia.
- 20:59And
- 20:59you've
- 20:59got
- 20:59to
- 21:00educate
- 21:00them
- 21:00about
- 21:00that
- 21:00and
- 21:01you've
- 21:01got
- 21:01to
- 21:01have
- 21:01a
- 21:01plan
- 21:01for
- 21:02that
- 21:02because
- 21:02guess
- 21:02what?
- 21:03If
- 21:03you
- 21:03don't
- 21:03give
- 21:04them
- 21:04that
- 21:04anticipatory
- 21:05guidance,
- 21:05they
- 21:05might
- 21:06go,
- 21:06oh,
- 21:06my
- 21:06God,
- 21:06this
- 21:06abilifies
- 21:07terrible.
- 21:07I
- 21:08can't
- 21:08get
- 21:08out
- 21:08of,
- 21:08out
- 21:09off
- 21:09of
- 21:09this
- 21:09med
- 21:09quickly
- 21:10enough.
- 21:10And
- 21:11really
- 21:11what
- 21:11they're
- 21:11describing
- 21:12is
- 21:12this
- 21:13mismatch
- 21:14between
- 21:14receptor
- 21:15affinities
- 21:15of
- 21:15your
- 21:15first
- 21:15and
- 21:16second
- 21:16drug.
- 21:16It's
- 21:16not
- 21:17really
- 21:17an
- 21:17indictment
- 21:17on
- 21:18Abilify.
- 21:18It's
- 21:19just
- 21:19this
- 21:19kind
- 21:20of
- 21:20nasty
- 21:20withdrawal
- 21:21period
- 21:21that
- 21:21we
- 21:21didn't
- 21:21prepare
- 21:22for
- 21:23to
- 21:23help
- 21:23mitigate
- 21:23those
- 21:23side
- 21:24effects.
- 21:24So
- 21:24again,
- 21:25if
- 21:25you're
- 21:25going
- 21:26from
- 21:26a
- 21:26potent
- 21:26H1
- 21:27blockader
- 21:28to
- 21:28a
- 21:29non
- 21:29potent
- 21:29H1
- 21:30blockader,
- 21:31I
- 21:31would
- 21:31definitely
- 21:32look
- 21:33at
- 21:33an
- 21:33insomnia
- 21:34strategy.
- 21:35How
- 21:35can
- 21:35we
- 21:35contain
- 21:36this
- 21:36person's
- 21:36insomnia
- 21:37agitation?
- 21:38Maybe
- 21:38think
- 21:38about
- 21:38Trazodone
- 21:39or
- 21:39Remeron
- 21:40or
- 21:40something
- 21:41of
- 21:41that
- 21:41nature,
- 21:41depending
- 21:42on
- 21:42your
- 21:42patient,
- 21:42okay?
- 21:43So
- 21:43just
- 21:43be
- 21:43very
- 21:44careful
- 21:44about
- 21:44that.
- 21:45It's
- 21:45Very,
- 21:46very
- 21:46important.
- 21:47Okay.
- 21:49Now,
- 21:49a
- 21:49pearl
- 21:50number
- 21:50five
- 21:50would
- 21:50be
- 21:50just
- 21:51to
- 21:51choose
- 21:51a
- 21:51switching
- 21:52strategy.
- 21:52I
- 21:53can't
- 21:53say
- 21:53that
- 21:53I
- 21:53have
- 21:54one.
- 21:54That
- 21:54is
- 21:54always
- 21:55a
- 21:56gold
- 21:56standard
- 21:56because
- 21:57every
- 21:57patient's
- 21:57a
- 21:57little
- 21:57different.
- 21:58Every
- 21:58situation
- 21:58is
- 21:59a
- 21:59little
- 21:59different.
- 21:59I
- 22:00think
- 22:00the
- 22:00cross
- 22:00titration
- 22:01we've
- 22:01already
- 22:01talked
- 22:02about
- 22:03is
- 22:04usually
- 22:04the
- 22:05most
- 22:05common
- 22:05way
- 22:05we
- 22:06do
- 22:06things
- 22:06with
- 22:08second
- 22:08generation
- 22:08antipsychotics.
- 22:09I
- 22:09do
- 22:10more
- 22:10of
- 22:10a
- 22:10abrupt
- 22:11switch
- 22:11with
- 22:11SSRIs.
- 22:12Not
- 22:12all
- 22:13of
- 22:13the
- 22:13time,
- 22:13but
- 22:13a
- 22:13lot
- 22:13of
- 22:14times
- 22:14I'll
- 22:14do
- 22:14an
- 22:14abrupt
- 22:14switch
- 22:15with
- 22:15ssri,
- 22:15especially
- 22:16if
- 22:16it's
- 22:16early
- 22:16in
- 22:16the
- 22:16game,
- 22:17the
- 22:17patient's
- 22:18not
- 22:18at
- 22:18high
- 22:18doses.
- 22:19The
- 22:19two
- 22:19meds
- 22:20are
- 22:20roughly
- 22:20comparable
- 22:21in
- 22:21half
- 22:21lives.
- 22:22I'll
- 22:22do
- 22:22more
- 22:22of
- 22:22an
- 22:22abrupt
- 22:23switch
- 22:23with
- 22:24SSRIs,
- 22:25but
- 22:26I
- 22:26do
- 22:26more
- 22:26cross
- 22:27titration,
- 22:27typically
- 22:28with
- 22:28antipsychotics.
- 22:29Again,
- 22:29because
- 22:30you
- 22:30have
- 22:30to
- 22:30be
- 22:30mindful
- 22:31of
- 22:31the
- 22:31different
- 22:31half
- 22:31lives,
- 22:32the
- 22:32different
- 22:32receptor
- 22:32profiles.
- 22:33But
- 22:33there
- 22:33are
- 22:33times
- 22:34when
- 22:34you're
- 22:34going
- 22:34to
- 22:34have
- 22:34to
- 22:35do
- 22:35a
- 22:35very
- 22:36abrupt
- 22:37switch.
- 22:37You
- 22:37know,
- 22:37if
- 22:37you
- 22:38have
- 22:38like
- 22:38a
- 22:38granulocytosis
- 22:39or
- 22:39neuroleptic
- 22:40malignant
- 22:40syndrome
- 22:41that
- 22:41nms,
- 22:42you
- 22:42don't
- 22:42have
- 22:42the
- 22:42luxury
- 22:43of
- 22:43just
- 22:43waiting
- 22:43forever.
- 22:44And
- 22:44you
- 22:44may
- 22:44have
- 22:44to
- 22:45do
- 22:45an
- 22:45abrupt
- 22:46switch.
- 22:46You
- 22:46might
- 22:46have
- 22:47to
- 22:47stop
- 22:47the
- 22:47old
- 22:47one,
- 22:47start
- 22:48the
- 22:48new
- 22:48one.
- 22:49And
- 22:49there's
- 22:50a
- 22:50much
- 22:50higher
- 22:50risk
- 22:51of
- 22:51withdrawal
- 22:51and
- 22:51rebound
- 22:52problems.
- 22:52Rebound
- 22:53psychosis,
- 22:54you
- 22:54know,
- 22:54anticholinergic
- 22:55rebound,
- 22:55anti
- 22:55histaminergic
- 22:56rebound.
- 22:56Right.
- 22:57Insomnia,
- 22:57agitation,
- 22:58nausea,
- 22:59drooling.
- 23:00Sure.
- 23:01But
- 23:02you
- 23:02may
- 23:02not
- 23:02have
- 23:02the
- 23:02luxury
- 23:03of
- 23:03just
- 23:03waiting
- 23:03for
- 23:03several
- 23:04weeks
- 23:04if
- 23:04you're
- 23:04in
- 23:05more
- 23:05of
- 23:05an
- 23:05emergency.
- 23:06Okay.
- 23:07So
- 23:07I
- 23:07would
- 23:08just
- 23:08say
- 23:08those
- 23:09are
- 23:09the
- 23:10two
- 23:10common
- 23:11strategies,
- 23:12the
- 23:12abrupt
- 23:12switch
- 23:12or
- 23:12the
- 23:13cross
- 23:13titration
- 23:13that
- 23:13you
- 23:14can
- 23:14keep
- 23:14in
- 23:14mind.
- 23:14And
- 23:15I
- 23:15don't
- 23:15think
- 23:16you're
- 23:16gonna
- 23:16be
- 23:16pinned
- 23:16down
- 23:17on
- 23:17one
- 23:17of
- 23:17them
- 23:17your
- 23:17whole
- 23:18career.
- 23:18You're
- 23:18gonna
- 23:18find
- 23:18that
- 23:19different
- 23:19situations
- 23:20challenge
- 23:21you
- 23:21at
- 23:22different
- 23:22times.
- 23:22Okay.
- 23:23And
- 23:23that's
- 23:24just
- 23:24something
- 23:24I
- 23:24would
- 23:24look
- 23:24at
- 23:26now,
- 23:26the
- 23:26sixth
- 23:27pearl,
- 23:28we
- 23:28touched
- 23:29on
- 23:29it
- 23:29a
- 23:29little
- 23:29bit
- 23:29already,
- 23:30but
- 23:30it's
- 23:30worth
- 23:30emphasizing
- 23:31again
- 23:31is
- 23:32anticipate
- 23:32and
- 23:33manage
- 23:33your
- 23:33side
- 23:33effect
- 23:34transitions.
- 23:34Remember
- 23:35too,
- 23:35when
- 23:35you
- 23:35go
- 23:35from
- 23:36something
- 23:36like
- 23:36Zyprexa
- 23:37to
- 23:37Latuda,
- 23:38you're
- 23:38going
- 23:39from
- 23:39a
- 23:39heavy
- 23:39weight
- 23:39gainer
- 23:40to
- 23:40one
- 23:40that
- 23:40is
- 23:40a
- 23:40little
- 23:41more
- 23:41metabolically
- 23:41friendly.
- 23:42Okay?
- 23:43So
- 23:43anticipate
- 23:44that
- 23:44your
- 23:44patient
- 23:45may
- 23:45not
- 23:45lose
- 23:46that
- 23:46weight
- 23:46that
- 23:46quickly.
- 23:47They
- 23:47will
- 23:48not
- 23:48gain
- 23:48weight
- 23:48as
- 23:49aggressively
- 23:49as
- 23:49they
- 23:50did
- 23:50on
- 23:50Zyprexa,
- 23:50and
- 23:50they
- 23:51may
- 23:51start
- 23:51to
- 23:51lose
- 23:51weight
- 23:52and
- 23:52their
- 23:52lipid
- 23:53profile
- 23:53might
- 23:53start
- 23:54to
- 23:54improve.
- 23:54But
- 23:55that
- 23:55also
- 23:55might
- 23:55take
- 23:56some
- 23:56time.
- 23:56So
- 23:56provide
- 23:57some
- 23:57education
- 23:57that
- 23:58they're
- 23:58not
- 23:58gonna
- 23:58Just
- 23:59like
- 23:59melt
- 23:59all
- 24:00the
- 24:00weight
- 24:00off
- 24:00right
- 24:00away.
- 24:01Weight
- 24:01loss
- 24:01is
- 24:01usually
- 24:02slower
- 24:02than
- 24:02weight
- 24:03gain
- 24:03and
- 24:03the
- 24:03weight
- 24:04gain
- 24:04is
- 24:04pretty
- 24:04rapid
- 24:05on
- 24:05the
- 24:05Zyprexa.
- 24:06Okay,
- 24:06so
- 24:07educate
- 24:07them
- 24:08about
- 24:08that
- 24:08as
- 24:09well.
- 24:09Okay.
- 24:10Educate
- 24:11them
- 24:11about
- 24:11EPS
- 24:12signs
- 24:12and
- 24:13symptoms.
- 24:13Tardive
- 24:14dyskinesia.
- 24:14Right,
- 24:15Those
- 24:15high
- 24:15EPS
- 24:16agents
- 24:16like
- 24:16Haldol,
- 24:17if
- 24:17you're
- 24:17switching
- 24:17to,
- 24:18to
- 24:18those,
- 24:18you
- 24:19gotta
- 24:19provide
- 24:19the
- 24:19proper
- 24:20education.
- 24:21Very
- 24:21important.
- 24:22That's
- 24:22a
- 24:22whole
- 24:23new
- 24:23ballgame.
- 24:24If,
- 24:24especially
- 24:24if
- 24:25you're
- 24:25coming
- 24:25from
- 24:25something
- 24:26like
- 24:26Seroquel,
- 24:26which
- 24:27is
- 24:27a
- 24:27lot
- 24:27lower
- 24:28EPS
- 24:29incidence
- 24:29and
- 24:29you're
- 24:29going
- 24:30to
- 24:30Haldol,
- 24:30you've
- 24:31got
- 24:31to
- 24:31provide
- 24:31that
- 24:31education.
- 24:32And
- 24:32that
- 24:32should
- 24:32be
- 24:32a
- 24:33big
- 24:33part
- 24:33of,
- 24:33of
- 24:34your
- 24:34switch.
- 24:34Asking
- 24:35yourself
- 24:35intuitively,
- 24:36what
- 24:36is
- 24:36the
- 24:36biggest
- 24:36difference
- 24:37between
- 24:37this
- 24:37agent
- 24:38and
- 24:38the
- 24:38agent
- 24:39I'm
- 24:39about
- 24:39to
- 24:39go
- 24:39to?
- 24:40What
- 24:40might
- 24:40be
- 24:41the
- 24:41big
- 24:41surprises
- 24:42around
- 24:42the
- 24:42corner
- 24:42I
- 24:42need
- 24:43to
- 24:43educate
- 24:43my
- 24:43patient
- 24:44about?
- 24:44Let
- 24:44me
- 24:45look
- 24:45at
- 24:45the
- 24:45receptor
- 24:45profiles,
- 24:46let
- 24:46me
- 24:46look
- 24:46at
- 24:46the
- 24:46half
- 24:47lives,
- 24:47let
- 24:47me
- 24:48look
- 24:48at
- 24:48the
- 24:48symptoms
- 24:48that
- 24:48might
- 24:49be
- 24:49deal
- 24:49breakers
- 24:49to
- 24:50my
- 24:50patient.
- 24:50And
- 24:50let
- 24:51me
- 24:51make
- 24:51sure
- 24:51those
- 24:51symptoms
- 24:52are
- 24:52not
- 24:52what
- 24:53the
- 24:53patient
- 24:53thinks
- 24:53this
- 24:54new
- 24:54drug
- 24:54represents.
- 24:55This
- 24:55is
- 24:55a
- 24:55transitionary
- 24:56period.
- 24:56This
- 24:57is
- 24:57not
- 24:57how
- 24:58this
- 24:58patient's
- 24:58going
- 24:59to
- 24:59feel
- 24:59on
- 24:59the
- 24:59new
- 24:59drug
- 25:00indefinitely.
- 25:01Very
- 25:01important
- 25:01that
- 25:02you
- 25:02mention
- 25:02that
- 25:02and
- 25:03I
- 25:03think
- 25:03you'll
- 25:03be
- 25:04in
- 25:04really
- 25:05good
- 25:05shape.
- 25:05Well,
- 25:06I
- 25:06hope
- 25:06this
- 25:06helped
- 25:07you
- 25:07guys
- 25:07because
- 25:08as
- 25:08you
- 25:08can
- 25:08see,
- 25:09it
- 25:09is
- 25:09not
- 25:09as
- 25:10simple
- 25:10as
- 25:10we're
- 25:10going
- 25:11to
- 25:11switch
- 25:11this
- 25:11antipsychotic.
- 25:12You're
- 25:12psychotic.
- 25:13You
- 25:13didn't
- 25:14like
- 25:14the
- 25:14first
- 25:14antipsychotic,
- 25:15so
- 25:15we're
- 25:15going
- 25:15to
- 25:15try
- 25:15you
- 25:16on
- 25:16a
- 25:16new
- 25:16antipsychotic.
- 25:18It's
- 25:18not
- 25:18that
- 25:19simple.
- 25:19And
- 25:19the
- 25:20difference
- 25:20between
- 25:20a
- 25:20good
- 25:21clinician
- 25:22and
- 25:22a
- 25:22great
- 25:22clinician
- 25:23is
- 25:24the
- 25:24knowing
- 25:24the
- 25:25how
- 25:25and
- 25:25the
- 25:25why
- 25:25of
- 25:26what
- 25:26you're
- 25:26doing.
- 25:26And
- 25:26that
- 25:26is
- 25:27exactly
- 25:27why
- 25:28we
- 25:28built
- 25:29a
- 25:29beautiful
- 25:30Patreon
- 25:30library.
- 25:31To
- 25:32empower
- 25:32you
- 25:32to
- 25:32understand
- 25:33the
- 25:33how
- 25:33and
- 25:33the
- 25:33why.
- 25:34To
- 25:34not
- 25:34just
- 25:34read
- 25:35algorithms
- 25:36and
- 25:36spreadsheets,
- 25:37but
- 25:37to
- 25:37have
- 25:38like
- 25:38this
- 25:38high
- 25:38definition
- 25:40view
- 25:40of
- 25:40what
- 25:41you're
- 25:41doing
- 25:41every
- 25:42day.
- 25:42They
- 25:42smell
- 25:43that
- 25:43a
- 25:43mile
- 25:43away.
- 25:44The
- 25:44clinicians
- 25:45who
- 25:45understand
- 25:45the
- 25:45how
- 25:46and
- 25:46the
- 25:46why.
- 25:46That's
- 25:46why
- 25:46we
- 25:47built
- 25:47Patreon.
- 25:47I
- 25:48don't
- 25:48know
- 25:48where
- 25:48I
- 25:48would
- 25:48be
- 25:49as
- 25:49a
- 25:49clinician
- 25:49if
- 25:49I
- 25:49hadn't
- 25:50built
- 25:50this
- 25:50Patreon
- 25:51library
- 25:51to
- 25:52review
- 25:52things,
- 25:52to
- 25:53stay
- 25:53at
- 25:53the
- 25:53top
- 25:53of
- 25:53my
- 25:54game.
- 25:54It's
- 25:54a
- 25:55really
- 25:55growing
- 25:55library.
- 25:56There's
- 25:56a
- 25:56lot
- 25:56of
- 25:56members
- 25:57that
- 25:57are
- 25:57feasting
- 25:58on
- 25:58our
- 25:58material.
- 25:59So
- 25:59if
- 25:59there's
- 25:59one
- 25:59thing
- 26:00you
- 26:00don't
- 26:00forget
- 26:00tonight,
- 26:01definitely
- 26:02march
- 26:02over
- 26:03to
- 26:03our
- 26:03show
- 26:03notes
- 26:04and
- 26:04become
- 26:04a
- 26:04Patreon
- 26:05member
- 26:05again.
- 26:05I
- 26:05am
- 26:06genuinely
- 26:07afraid
- 26:07to
- 26:07consider
- 26:08who
- 26:08I
- 26:08would
- 26:09be
- 26:09as
- 26:09a
- 26:09clinician
- 26:09if
- 26:10I
- 26:10didn't
- 26:10have
- 26:11this
- 26:11Patreon
- 26:11library
- 26:12to
- 26:12review
- 26:13because
- 26:13it
- 26:14has
- 26:14transformed
- 26:15the
- 26:16way
- 26:16I
- 26:16conceptualize
- 26:17this
- 26:17stuff
- 26:18and
- 26:18practice.
- 26:19Knowledge
- 26:19is
- 26:20power,
- 26:20and
- 26:20knowledge
- 26:21will
- 26:21go
- 26:21a
- 26:21long
- 26:21way
- 26:21in
- 26:22empowering
- 26:22you
- 26:22in
- 26:22your
- 26:23career.
- 26:23So
- 26:24there's
- 26:24one
- 26:24thing
- 26:24you
- 26:24don't
- 26:24forget,
- 26:25my
- 26:25friends.
- 26:25Head
- 26:25over
- 26:25to
- 26:26the
- 26:26Show
- 26:26Notes,
- 26:26become
- 26:27a
- 26:27Patreon
- 26:27member.
- 26:27And
- 26:28with
- 26:28that,
- 26:28we
- 26:28will
- 26:28see
- 26:28you
- 26:29next
- 26:29time
- 26:29here
- 26:29on
- 26:29Pearls
- 26:30and
- 26:30Proud.
- 26:30Thank
- 26:31you.