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What Does Reconciliation Mean To You? | National Day for Truth and Reconciliation Special · Neighbourly: Real Stories of Care and Community

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I acknowledge that I have resided on the ancestral lands of
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Treaty 1, the traditional territory of the Anishinaabe Cree, Oji
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Cree, Dakota and Dene peoples, and the national homeland of the Red
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river maintees. I also acknowledge that our water is procured from Shoal Lake.
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40th 1st nation I acknowledge that the social work
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profession, my chosen degree, has played an active role in destroying the cultural
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traditions of the indigenous peoples of Canada. I am committed to discontinuing
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this practice and restoring those traditions as I enter into my career. I
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acknowledge that the education I received my empty on the history of Canada has come
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from a colonial perspective, and I am committed to learning from different perspectives.
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Colonization is not a thing of the past, but is still present in the structure
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and systems of canadian society. I continue to learn and share what
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I have learned with those in my community, both now and with the future generation,
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in the spirit of truth and reconciliation.
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Hey, welcome back to journey with care. I'm your host for today, Johan. We're so
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honored to have you with us on this very important episode commemorating
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the national Day for truth and reconciliation. So hopefully today
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we can explore the profound significance of reconciliation with our indigenous
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brothers and sisters across Canada. So in this special
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episode, we'll hear from some inspiring voices who share their deeply
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personal and thoughtful insights on what reconciliation means to
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them. We're going to play some clips from our past conversations that
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we've had will walk through the experiences, challenges, and
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hopes of both indigenous and non indigenous individuals and their
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families. This day is not only about reflecting on the
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past, but also actively participating in a future where
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reconciliation is at the heart of our communities. So we feel
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it's crucial that we come together to listen, learn, and engage in
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these conversations. We'll honor the resilience and strength of the
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indigenous peoples, acknowledging the trauma imposed by
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colonialism, and commit to walking alongside them in a
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spirit of genuine partnership and respect.
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Reconciliation is a journey that requires humility,
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intentionality, and the willingness to face uncomfortable truths. So
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as we listen to our guests, let their words inspire you to strive
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for meaningful change in your life and in your community.
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By embracing reconciliation, we bring to life the call to love our neighbors
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as ourselves, promoting healing, restoring dignity, and
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nurturing relationships. This process can be challenging, but
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it's vital for fostering a world that reflects the fullness of God's
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kingdom. So here we go. First, let's hear from Jimmy Thunder, an
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OG Cree MbA graduate who is currently serving in the
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premier's office here in Manitoba. We interviewed him in episode seven
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of season one and we asked what reconciliation means to
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him. Here's what he had to say.
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I would say reconciliation is when two parties
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come together, come to an agreement of a wrong being
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done, and have a renewed commitment to
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rebuild a relationship and to make amends and to commit to a better
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relationship into the future. Jimmy also works in partnership
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with circles of reconciliation. Here he shares a practical step
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that we can all take to participate in reconciliation.
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What we were seeing is that there's a lot of people who have this now
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renewed interest in learning about reconciliation and learning about our history.
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But it's just amazing to realize that we don't even
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have a common base yet to begin with. We're not even at square one
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together. And so a great starting point is to look at the
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work of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Not only the final
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report and all the research that's been done, but even just start at
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square one and just look at the 94 calls to action. How many Canadians
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do we have even today that don't know what the 94 calls to action
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are? What's in there? What are the themes? And much
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less which one of the calls to action can they commit to working? And
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a lot of misconceptions are that the calls to action are directed towards the government,
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but it's actually meant for each member of canadian society. There's even a whole
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section for the church, isn't there? Exactly. Yeah, there definitely
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is. Let's go through all of these calls to action one by
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one, every day for 94 days. And let's commit to reading
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each and every one of them. And not just ourselves, but let's challenge all
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those around us, everyone in our networks, our organizations. Let's get people to
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read these and to commit to action on them.
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Next up, let's revisit our conversation with Doctor James Robertson of
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Tyndale University in Toronto. We sat down on episode
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eleven in season one to talk about his book, overlooked and the
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church's relationship and history with the indigenous peoples. In this
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clip, Doctor Robertson shares an illustration of what it means as a
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Christian to engage in reconciliation.
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Let's say we've had a friendship for years, and if I
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have been perpetually and constantly doing something that harms
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you, maybe not intentionally, maybe not physical, but I'm using
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insensitive language. We can put it right down to a baseline. Like, I'm just saying
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something about you or to you that you don't appreciate. You
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know, you're like, okay, at first, well, you know, this is. James, I'm gonna let
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this go, but eventually, because we have a relationship. You bring it to my attention.
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Like, listen, this is how it's going. Well, now I have a choice. You know,
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I can be like, what. Do you mean, like that? And we can have all
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those fake sort of, I'm sorry that you feel that way. Those terrible apology apologies
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that are just reiterated for me. If
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I'm going to follow that Nazarene Carpenter, that super
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cool God of mine, human that lived 2000 years
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ago, I don't have an option other than to
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be like, I hear you. You're right. It is now my
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choice to value our friendship or
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my desires. And what Christ has taught me is that our friendship
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matters more in the economy of God and therefore my
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rights, my desires, which we've heard so much of in the
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past few years. And people reacting to that. And what
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saddens me is of course, a lot of christian voices are hopping on that as
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well. But if we are followers of Christ, I mean, it's
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right in Philippians too. Like, he didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped,
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but he humbled himself to the point of death, death on a crosse. At the
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very least I can look at my sister in Christ and say, you know
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what? I'm sorry. You're right. I will do better going
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forward. Please forgive me. And then that gives you the chance to say, I
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do forgive you. Doctor Robertson then shared some
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of his concerns with reconciliation becoming a buzzword rather
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than facilitating change. Here's what he had to say.
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I think the damage to reconciliation now is, one, it will become trendy and like
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all trends, it'll go away. And this cannot go away. Right? And
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two, the words are better, but there's no sense
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of community, there's no actual respect for indigenous
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perspectives in a way that will actually facilitate change. And
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of course, the word for which I think is a great word for it, both
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biblically and realistically, the word reconciliation, that's what
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concerns me about the trajectory of settler and indigenous relations.
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Moving on to an earlier episode, episode ten of season one,
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our season one host, Melvina, sat down with Jennifer Mason, an
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Anishinaabe woman who is one of Melvina's fellow co workers at inner
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city youth alive here in Winnipeg, sharing what reconciliation means to
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her. Jesus is at the
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center of everything because of how real he is for
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me. And so everything always comes back to my faith.
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And so for me it stems from, you know, I
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grew up in a home, wherever Jesus was in the home.
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But what I learned was to
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know him well, to be a good Christian, meant that I couldn't
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be me. It meant that I had to learn how to look like
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someone else, to act like someone else, to be like someone else in order to
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be a good Christian. And it's been a really long journey, but
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for sure, actively, at least the last ten years, God has just showed me
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that all of that was wrong and taught me how to
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love myself. And that in that I am
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indigenous, he has intentionally made me
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Anishinaabe and all that that entails, and
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that he didn't make any mistakes. It wasn't, oops, I did this.
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You gotta figure out how to make it better. And, you know, he
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intentionally chose for me to be Anishinaabe. And he has
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been teaching me that. So my journey of reconciliation,
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it began to. With decolonizing my mind because
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what I was taught was done so well, yeah,
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that I rejected all of the things that were
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associated with me being indigenous, with being first nations.
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And he's like, nope, I knew what I was doing when I made you.
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And I want to be proud of that. And so, yeah,
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he's taught me to love myself and to be proud of the
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fact that I am Anishinaabe.
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Our next clip we hear from Karen Jolly, a pastor
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and indigenous community leader who was our guest on season one, episode 14.
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We're going to hear from her husband Howard a little later, but here's Karen Jolly
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being asked the same question. What does reconciliation mean to
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you? I think
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probably the biggest thing, fixing something that has been
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broken, and it carries into many
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different places. Right, like, but probably the strongest thing is
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relationships. When relationships are
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broken, there needs to be a time where you
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bring people together, you talk about what's
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happened, and then you try to fix and mendeze
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that relationship then. But it doesn't necessarily
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mean that you become best friends. Yeah, but it
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just means that there is nothing between you
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and the other person, but that you can be on
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friendly terms, not necessarily best friends, but at
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least you've talked about the thing that has come between
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you. And I guess even as when you think
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of the country we live in,
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and I don't know how we're gonna fix what's been
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broken in our country, that one is a bigger question.
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Moving ahead to season two, Tim, who is part of our executive team here at
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Care Impact, was our guest host and interview, Joel Calabrese,
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a dedicated community leader and scholar with a deep interest in
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theology and indigenous reconciliation. He's working alongside of
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Nates, the North American Institute for Indigenous Theological Studies.
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He also brings his experience as an archaeologist to share his
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perspectives on reconciliation. In this clip, Joel shares a
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few things we could, as Christians and as the church do to
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participate in reconciliation.
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Here are a few things. Do your own personal
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reflection and do some archaeology on your theology
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and dig into your own theology and put some context and story
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to it. You know, who told you that? Where did it come from? Why do
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you believe that certain kind of thing, particularly with things that disturb you
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and bring up that unemotional response?
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It seems like a lot of church communities do a book
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study once a year or a few times a year, have different book groups.
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There are a lot, you know, a significant amount of
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indigenous authors following Jesus that you could
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incorporate. Your church should be doing that, particularly in Canada,
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in this land that we, that we now call Canada. This is something that it
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has been. It's part of how we think about things,
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this aspect of reconciliation with the re
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in parentheses, because I don't know if there's ever been
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conciliation to be re'd to.
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So Richard Twiss's book, any of his,
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Mark Charles's book on the doctrine of discovery would be a good one as
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well. And they have questions in them that you can go through as a
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group. They're built for group discussion. So
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get everybody in the church reading some of those, and if they are not
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even part of what you are thinking, the church leadership is
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thinking about incorporating to their church. I think that needs to be discussion.
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I think that's sort of that an internal thing the church can do.
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And I've talked about the personal, individual reflection
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kind of stuff of archaeology or theology, but I think
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just start celebrating with people. Go to
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powwow. There are gatherings and celebrations
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and dance competitions and things like that,
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and try to get your church group, your whatever
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community to go, whatever community is willing to go.
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This is an obligation for everybody across
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Turtle island, is to build that relationship. This is the land we're on. These are
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the treaties we're part of in any of those things.
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Let's take a hop back to episode five of season one with Melissa
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Spence. This is also our most listened to episode on the podcast
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so far. Melissa is a pastor's wife living here in treaty one in
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Winnipeg, and Melissa was asked what reconciliation means to
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her. So reconciliation to
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me is reconciling to God the father
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and learning to have that
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image, to take on his image in how we live
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our lives and see ourselves. So it's all about
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identity in him and what Jesus done for
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us. So Jesus is a prime example of
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what we here on earth should be where his kingdom is.
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The kingdom is us, and we need to
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reconsult him so that God could be glorified.
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It's actually the Lord our father who actually started the
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reconciliation process, and when he sent his son to
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die for us. So in my mindset before, I used to
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think that the lord sent his son so that
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he could love us again. But that's not the case. That he
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actually sent his son because he loved us, not
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to make him love us. In religion, it
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teaches you that we have to work for his
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love. It just comes out in that story of the prodigal
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son. We call it the prodigal son, but I think I'd rather call
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it the sons, the elder and the prodigal. And so
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I was kind of like that elder son who had everything
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that the father had. It was living in his household, and
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he was the oldest son and he had double
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portion of the inheritance, but he didn't see that.
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And so he was working. And why, you know, you
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see this whole conversation with the elder son
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and the father when they're talking about the prodigal son, like,
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you didn't kill the fatty calf for me. And
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the Lord said, everything I have is yours. Yes. And he could have just
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killed a calf whenever he wanted to. And
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so reconciliation, I think, is just
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understanding that Jesus died on the cross for us.
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Rose was buried and Rose again so that
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he could reveal the father to us.
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In episode 20 of season two, Wendy sat down with Lynn
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Dick, executive director of the Evangelical
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Mennonite Mission conference. Lynn discussed being a settler
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and then his experience fostering children with indigenous heritage.
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Here's what he had to say.
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So your path into fostering was through respite, and you got a
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feel, and obviously it tugged on your heart that maybe
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this is something that I could offer in a parenting role
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and provide a safe and nurturing home. How was that
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leap from just general fostering to going
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cross cultural with indigenous people being overrepresented in
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the child welfare system? What was it like for you to
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go there? Well, that was actually fairly
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intentional on our part. When we looked at getting involved with
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fostering, we felt that we were being led to do
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this with indigenous people, with indigenous kids because we saw such
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a great need there, and we wanted to learn.
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We already were looking at it at that time already. There's
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got to be something to this. There's got to be something that
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we as, like now we're learning the term as settlers,
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but that we can do to start to build some of this
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reconciliation, right. This was before the TRC was even. Was
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even a thing. But we just felt like God was saying to
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us, you guys gotta put yourself out there and do something like this.
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So when we had our first placement,
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it was like trial by fire. We had a
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two and a half year old little guy that came to. To be with us,
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and he was just, wow, he was
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like. He was a whirlwind, right? Like, he came in
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and energy galore. He had some
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disabilities that arose from being fas, so
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he was ADHD and different kind of things like that. And,
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you know, when you first go into some of these things, you have this idyllic
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thing of, oh, we're gonna. Really just love
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the child. We're just gonna love the child, and it's all gonna
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be wonderful. And it was like, oh, my goodness.
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We started to say that, you know, this little guy was.
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Was our spiritual exercise, right? And if you think about it,
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when you think of doing any kind of exercise, if you want to build a
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muscle to get stronger, you put resistance to it. Right? What do we
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learn through different trials? How does that. How do we learn to be
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resilient in another area? And that was what we were learning here.
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This was. We were learning something here. We were learning about
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a family, about a situation. We got to be his, his
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parents for three and a half years until he was able to
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transition back to be with his. With his mother and with his other
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brothers and sisters. It was a really neat process. And did you
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learn a lot about his indigeneity in that
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process? Mm hmm. I mean, one of the things that it allowed us to do
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was to become part of the community. We got to
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learn and get to know the social workers who, the majority of
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them were indigenous. We get to learn about his community that he was part
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of, go to the celebrations, to the powwows, because one of the
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things that we wanted to make sure was, we didn't want.
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I hope this sounds not too strange, but we didn't want him to become
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white. We wanted him to be able to be part
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of, you know, our lives,
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but to gain an understanding of who he was,
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what his heritage was, and that he could be proud of
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that, to help him to learn those things. And in the process, we
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were learning as well.
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Next we hear from Jared Ross, who shared his story walking through
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trauma. And even though he's a young adult, he talks about the
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implications that residential schools had on him and his family.
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I sat down with Jared to share a story in a two part series in
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episodes four and five in season two. Really inspiring
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story. But here's what he had to say about what reconciliation means to
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him. So I think, like,
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the reconciliation part, like, the way that I
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live my christian life is like, I try and go by the word and what
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it says, you know, so ministry, reconciliation out of two corinthians
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518 about, you know, the Lord reconciling
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people to him, but also at the same time, we carry this ministry of reconciliation
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and we're just pleading, come back to Goddesse, you know. And I
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think that's just the way I viewed reconciliation was just like, okay,
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that's what I want from my people as well. And seeing that vision and also
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just the revelation scripture
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that I mentioned, the Ministry of Reconciliation to me just means like,
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you know, I want them to be healed from this trauma that
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came from residential schools. I feel like if we go through that and also
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just walk through that healing of what happened to, but also just
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not carrying that shame anymore, I feel like we'll just see
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such a huge revival that comes out of the First nations people. There's so many
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young people who are still walking through what I did and not
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getting the gospel in such a true form. And I
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feel like once they understand on the healing process,
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but also understanding the true gospel, I feel like the youth are the key to
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reach out to every youth in Canada. And I feel like
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this revival would just start from the First nations people.
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Another interview that Tim led, he sat down with Ray Aldred,
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an author and status Cree from northern Alberta and director of the
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indigenous studies at the Vancouver School of theology.
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And he shared his perspective on the common Bolan treaties and their
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relationship to reconciliation.
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But they have essentially set the table for reconciliation in Canada. And I
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immediately, as you were making those comments, I was thinking of the ancient practice
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I learned about called Salcha, which you're probably familiar with, where the one who is
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offended actually sets the table to sit down and eat with the person who's
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offended them. And I was very moved when I heard you speak
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to that. I don't know if there's more you want to unpack or you can
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correct exactly how I'm understanding what you were talking about. But even the
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funding of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, you were saying, was being done by
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funds that belong to indigenous people. Yeah, it came out of their
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settlement where the residential schools, that's what paid for
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it. The treaty among the six nations
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with the newcomers is called the common bowl
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aspect that are called the common bowl. We all eat from the same
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bowl. One of the privileges of living in this land is
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that to be fed, to be fed by Mother
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Earth, to be able to enjoy the bounty of Mother Earth, this is to
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share with everybody. The idea, though, is that everybody should
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share, not that some should have all of it or others shouldn't have
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all of it. And it's not a merit based kind of a thing.
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It is what it means to live in connection with
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of the earth, to be able to be fed. A
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friend of mine said indigenous people were advocating
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for universal Medicare long before Tommy Douglas
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did. This was part of their thinking in
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making the treaty. This is why they would always say that this when they were
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making treaty in one place. They said this needed to apply to everybody,
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all the first nations and all of Canada when it was talking
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about providing the medicine chest, as it's
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called in some of the number treaties. So the idea is
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that human beings are sacred. They're sacred
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beings, so we should be respectful of
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them.
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On our second last clip, we're going to hear from Wendy, our beloved host
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and co founder of Care Impact. This was taken from episode 13
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of season two, where the tables were actually flipped. Here wendy was actually
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being interviewed by doctor James Robertson, whom you heard from earlier a little
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bit on organizations and the church working together for the purpose of
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reconciliation, something that she's really passionate about.
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There's so many good organizations. There's tons of assets in all the cities across
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Canada, tons of programs and oodles of
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resources being thrown at these nonprofits, and a lot of them doing
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good things, but they just don't communicate, particularly with the
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church. And when we wanted to go into saying,
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hey, I think we are feeling called, look at the research on residential schools and
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the tie with the church. We've got to do something. We've got to like,
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nobody's talking about it in the sanctuaries, at least in my tradition
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and the circles I was in. Why isn't anybody talking about
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this? I was warned by very prominent
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leaders saying, oh, that's nice, but just don't go there. That just gets
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messy. Just talk about children and families. But let's not go
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into the TRC or reconciliation because that's just another
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thing that's more political. And I'm like, reconciliation is the
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gospel. Reconciliation is so central to the Bible,
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and yet somehow we've tailored that out. In
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whatever denomination, it's been easy to tailor it out. We
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curate our own narrative, right? We curate our own theologies
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and to our convenience, because that hurts. I've
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seen people squirm, but fortunately, God gave me the gift of making
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people squirm. And I don't mind that, because I think we need to go there.
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It's not a condemning thing. It's just like, if we're gonna find healing, let's not
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pathologize the indigenous. Let's not pathologize the one that can't keep the job
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or the homeless, the cycle of poverty. Let's
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pathologize the church and see. Okay, where's this stemming from?
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And why aren't we effective in our ministries?
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Why is it us and them? Why can't it be we?
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And I want to see a lot more
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collaboration we ing, if you call that
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with people. But I think we can do a lot
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more togetherness. To close out our
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episode. Today, we're going to hear from pastor Harold Jolly,
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Karen Jolly's husband, whom you also heard from earlier. This is taken from
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the episode the estranged indigenous from the loving the Stranger among us
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series, which is episode 32 in season two.
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Harold shares both from a pastoral and indigenous perspective
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of what reconciliation means.
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There's a brighter day coming, and even in the midst of
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darkness, you know, in the midst of chaos, there's this call
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to trust God and that he's working in all things
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for good. And so there's this hope, and there's this
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idea, too, that all the things that happen matter to
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God. So in talking about them, there's something in it that
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we're not just talking about it to make people feel guilty or, you know, or
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to talk down to people or to hurt people, but there's something in it that
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as we talk about those things, that we're trying to bring
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reconciliation, that we're trying to bring unity. The way that I think of
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it is like we're trying to break forth the kingdom of God, you know, that
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the kingdom of God would be present in this world. And the idea of that
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happening is the reconciliation that happens. And I think that there's
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something very powerful about acknowledging the pain
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of and about tears being in that, and also
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to people coming together and saying, will you forgive me
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or forgive my people? And a person saying, I forgive,
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you know, I forgive. Not just superficial, but in
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light of all that's happened, I choose to forgive. So, for
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example, not superficial would look like what
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day to day. Oh, man. I guess just the
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hearing of stories, just the embracing of each other,
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just building friendships. Close friendships. I have close friends that are
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caucasian, you know, and very close friends that are caucasian. And I work with
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people that are caucasian, they're very encouraging
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and I think that we acknowledge the history and we
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talk about it and we work through it together. And you go
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golfing? I go golfing. You go golfing with them? Play hockey.
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Yeah, I spend time, spend time with them. I think that's huge. Yeah. Oh yeah.
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Just enjoying being around each other.
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I want to remind you that to continue to reflect on the importance of
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this day, you can also find our episode from last year's day for truth and
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reconciliation, season two, episode 25 learning
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every day powerful father son story of reconciliation.
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We had a ton of great feedback for that episode, so I encourage you to
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check that out as you reflect on the importance of this day. You can find
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that there in the show notes if you want to click on that. But thank
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you for joining us on this special episode of Journey with care. We trust that
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the stories, reflections and heartfelt messages shared by our
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guests have inspired and moved you. That this national day for truth
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and reconciliation be a reminder of our shared responsibility to
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uphold justice, compassion and unite our communities.
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Reconciliation is not a one time event, but an ongoing
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journey that calls each of us to act with grace, courage and
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sincerity. Take what you've heard today and consider how you can contribute
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to this mission in your daily life. Whether it's through educating
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yourself, sharing episodes like this one, engaging in
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honest conversations, or supporting indigenous led
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initiatives, every step you take matters. Let's commit to being
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agents of change, fostering environments where every voice is heard and
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valued. Together we can build a future rooted in trust,
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respect and harmony. Thank you and God
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bless.
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