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- Greg Fink: And so ⁓ what the next ⁓ Supreme Court topic, I guess we got birthright citizenship. Is it Scott Miller: Yeah, I think they got that one wrong. I I I I I'm still ⁓ I I mean I'm ⁓ I'm not angry about yeah, that's it's absolutely wrong. Tell tell me tell me why you think it's w i they're right. Greg Fink: Really? I don't agree. Why why? Well I think it well I think if you're born here, know, ⁓ you should be a citizen here. I mean yeah, i i i i ⁓ well I know that. ⁓ I just wanna say what I think. And so w what does the amendment say that's up to f up for grabs and up for argument? Scott Miller: But that's not what the amendment says. It says when they are born here and subject to this jurisdiction. When when subject to this jurisdiction means subject you have to see that this is you you you can't just poo-poo this because the important part of the of the thing is is that the that the language, know, ⁓ was co in common use and the way the language was used ⁓ the amendment was written has to be the way that it's interpreted, the originalest thing. And that this ⁓ crazy idea that that as language changes over time, we're supposed to reinterpret things, you know, that that were written, you know, 150 years ago is ridiculous. I mean, it's I just just for liter colloquialisms, right? When we Greg Fink: Okay. Okay, but but but when it says this jurisdiction, what does it mean by this jurisdiction? what what is that meaning? Scott Miller: This jurisdiction to the jurisdiction means that you that that you're ⁓ you're here legally. It literally is someone who is who is supposed to be here. All right. People who break it break in, who ⁓ break into the place, they get the bet they're not supposed to get the benefits of of that they would have gotten had they come here in a legal capacity. Greg Fink: Okay. But if they're an embryo inside of a womb, how do they have a ⁓ how how do they have the option to to not be here by jurisdiction? I mean if they're born here, or I mean we're talking about people who are born here, and they don't have a choice of where their the host or their parent is. They don't. And so how so why are they gonna be penalized for that? Scott Miller: That's right. They sure don't. They sure don't. But the par but the parent because the but because they only inherit it by virtue of the parent. Greg Fink: Okay. And so basically the the parents' faults are gonna fall onto the child or? Scott Miller: It's i you no, it's not the fault. It's you don't i i it's the the benefit unless you ⁓ unless you were admitted legally, then you don't get the benefits just by virtue of be of passing through a woman's uterus. Greg Fink: Okay. That's an argument. Scott Miller: And and i it's it's it's my an argument. It is the way the sta it's the way the amendment is written. And and and trying to reinterpret it because you feel sympathy for for certain people isn't i isn't a a fundamental strategy. Interpretation. Greg Fink: Yeah. Yeah, man, but i i you're and you're correct. It might not be a fundamental legal interpretation or strategy or anything, but it's also not me being sympathetic to their situation, it's just me being ⁓ you know, logically looking at reality here saying that that that person who is just born has no choice whatsoever and and ⁓ now granted, if you think that they should be deported immediately a after they're you know, ⁓ when they're born or should they be given the opportunity be to become a citizen? I guess that's the ne that's the next step. I mean If they don't want to take the next steps to ⁓ everybody else does to become a legal citizen, should that not be allowed for them to do or is there like a statute of limitations where you think that they should be sent back? Scott Miller: Okay, well let me well let me rephrase this then. your interpretation is correct, ⁓ abortion's illegal. Because that means that they're people. The embryos are people. And you can't kill people. Greg Fink: Exactly. That's very true. That's a good that that's a good that's a good tie in there to being pro life and being a pro immigrant. Scott Miller: So Yeah, 'cause you can't have it both ways. Either either that embryo is a you know is a person who is entitled to to rights, you know, and and and is not responsible for for what's happened ⁓ for what other people compel them to do, or they're not allowed to be here. One of the two. You can't have it both ways. Greg Fink: You can't, that's true. Yeah. What? And that's exactly the the best argument that I have not heard yet. and and that's the ⁓ and I think that's the biggest ⁓ tell telltale sign here of this whole whole issue here about birthright citizenship and about the ⁓ you know, ⁓ the analogy to the pro life movement or the pro choice movement or the abortion movement altogether, ⁓ that whenever you start saying that ⁓ this immigrant or or this person who's not from here has rights because they're brought here by their host, as the and agnostic people might say, or their mother as I would say. ⁓ so if they don't have rights because they're brought there by their mother, then how come ⁓ th they do have rights, according to them, then how come they don't have rights to live? Scott Miller: Exactly. Exactly. So Greg Fink: Yeah, exactly. I mean i i i i if you get if you have a right to live in America, you have a right to live. Scott Miller: So I'll f I I I'll be happy to, you know, to to to I'll be happy to, you know, skin this cat in a different way as far as immigration goes. But i if i if we're if we're going to use this decision as a way to ban abortions. So so I mean, you know, you you you can't have it both ways. You can't have everything. It is what it is. So like it or not. Greg Fink: That's a good argument. Let's get it. Right. Exactly. Yep, I agree.