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BEN FERGUSON WITH MEGYN KELLY POST DEBATE · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: The first presidential debate is in the books. Meghan Kelly
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Speaker 1: is going to join us to talk about this debate
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Speaker 1: and what advice you would have for the president. Also,
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden doesn't like INTIFA, just kidding, he really does,
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Speaker 1: but don't worry. It's not a really group somehow, he says,
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Speaker 1: it's just an idea, even though they're torching American cities.
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Speaker 1: Oh and the Green New Deal, he says he doesn't
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Speaker 1: like it, except his website says he loves it. The
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Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson Show podcast starts right now. All right, welcome
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Speaker 1: to Ben Ferguson Podcast. It's nice to have you with
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Speaker 1: us after the first presidential debate. And a dear friend
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Speaker 1: of mine who I've been doing TV with now I'm
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Speaker 1: getting old, and this is how I know I'm getting old.
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Speaker 1: For gosh, I don't know fifteen years is joining me today.
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Speaker 1: She's actually done one of these debates, and she has
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Speaker 1: an incredible new podcast that has just started last week.
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Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly is joining me now. Megan, it's always a
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Speaker 1: pleasure to see you. It's been forever and it's nice
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Speaker 1: to have you on the podcast today. And now you're
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Speaker 1: doing in the podcast We're gonna talk about that a
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Speaker 1: little bit later, and people need to download your podcast.
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Speaker 1: But you look at this first president to debate, you've
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Speaker 1: done this before. What was your big takeaway from this
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Speaker 1: first night of I think it's fair to call it chaos. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it was chaotic. I start to look at it more.
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Speaker 1: I know, people, it was a hot master, there's no question,
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Speaker 1: But I also look at it more like watching two
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Speaker 1: boxers in the ring and you're trying to figure out,
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Speaker 1: you know, what's the approach here? And Trump was on
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Speaker 1: offense the entire night, jabbing jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, and
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Speaker 1: Biden kept running to the ropes. You know, he's trying
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Speaker 1: to get into the corner, like h scary man and
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Speaker 1: so like I think from that standpoint, you would either
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Speaker 1: fall in love with Trump or you'd be agree with Trump.
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Speaker 1: Right if you like if you like an aggressor if
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Speaker 1: you like somebody who looks strong, you're falling more in
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Speaker 1: love with him. If you're the woman in the suburb
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Speaker 1: who just wants him to be a little bit more
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Speaker 1: polite and genteel, you're ah, Trump, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: But I think it was all about Trump and not
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Speaker 1: about Biden, and that's probably a win for Biden, right
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Speaker 1: since he's ahead in most of these uh swing state polls.
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Speaker 1: You know, I talked to somebody at the Trump campaign
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Speaker 1: and they were like, what did you think. I said, guys,
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Speaker 1: interrupting is an art in a debate. I argue that
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Speaker 1: you use interrupting if there's something you need to nail
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Speaker 1: the opponent on. But if you interrupt everything, it takes
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Speaker 1: away from the real big points. There was one big point,
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Speaker 1: and I want to get your reaction to this, and
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Speaker 1: it was the point about Antifa and the idea. And
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Speaker 1: I thought it was a huge gaff by Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: where he literally said that Antifa is an idea. Take
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Speaker 1: take a look at this. Somebody's got to do something
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Speaker 1: about Antifa and the left, because this is not a
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Speaker 1: right wing problem. This is a LEFTI is supremisist. Antifa
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Speaker 1: is an idea and not an organism. You got it, Poli,
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Speaker 1: That's what it is. Tony Fbi his FBI directors, Well, then,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Megan, the idea when everybody on TV has
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Speaker 1: been seeing what Antifa has been doing the stays around
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Speaker 1: the country, that this is somehow not an organization idea.
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Speaker 1: I couldn't believe he actually said that. Not only that,
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Speaker 1: but that really in many ways he kind of got
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Speaker 1: away with it, completely got away with it, and talk
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Speaker 1: about taking something out of context. So FBI Director Ray said,
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Speaker 1: Antifa is an he said, it's not an organization, right,
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Speaker 1: and Trump his short form was you gotta be kidding me.
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Speaker 1: But I actually looked it up, so I remember the
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Speaker 1: guy came out and clarified it, and Director Ray went
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Speaker 1: on to clarify that this group is a movement, a
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Speaker 1: quote real thing, not a fiction, that engages an organized
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Speaker 1: tactical activity at the local and regional level. It's dangerous.
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Speaker 1: So to summarize that with it's just an idea, it's
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Speaker 1: just come on, like, you've got to been kidding. We've
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Speaker 1: seen them, we've seen them shoot police officers, like, please
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Speaker 1: spare us. The someone's just thinking about doing an anti
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Speaker 1: fascist thing. We'll see, we'll see what happens. It's it's
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Speaker 1: the point that I saw last time. I'm sitting there going, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is when you do interrupt, this is when you pounce,
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Speaker 1: this is when you don't let him up off the ropes.
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Speaker 1: And then it was like Wallace, who you know you've
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Speaker 1: done debate to them. It was almost like he stepped
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Speaker 1: in to take a punch for Joe Biden, like Okay,
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Speaker 1: it's getting bad here, let's let's separate this. A lot
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Speaker 1: of people criticized him for that last night. I want
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Speaker 1: your take on that. Oh you know, I felt for him,
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Speaker 1: and I'm loath to criticize him because I understand how
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Speaker 1: hard it is. It's a high wire act, and that
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Speaker 1: was unlike anything anybody's had to deal with. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Trump was just he wouldn't let anybody get a word
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Speaker 1: in edgewise. So I wish Chris had done a few
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Speaker 1: different things to maintain control. And I do think, unfortunately
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Speaker 1: for him, where he did try to serve control every
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Speaker 1: time in an order to Biden's benefit, and not once
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Speaker 1: did it in order to Trump's. So that's why people
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Speaker 1: were left with a bad taste in their mouth. But
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Speaker 1: I will tell you when I looked at that and
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Speaker 1: the chaos of the debate, I blamed Biden from missing
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Speaker 1: an opportunity. It was a present Trump's fault with the interrupting.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Biden did like four interruptions and he's kind
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Speaker 1: Because don't get me wrong, Trump was the problem and
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about order. But Biden had an opportunity.
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Speaker 1: If I were advising Biden, I would have said, raise up,
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Speaker 1: don't look at Chris Wallace as your daddy. He's not daddy.
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Speaker 1: Daddy's not going to stop the fight. You want George
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Speaker 1: Washington's job. You go out there, you'd find a way
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Speaker 1: to make it stop. And you have an opportunity to
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Speaker 1: look at him and say, Donald, we've got an hour
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Speaker 1: and a half. We've got eighty to ninety million people
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Speaker 1: likely watching this, and they're trying to make a really
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Speaker 1: important decision, So can we just make a deal. I
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Speaker 1: won't interrupt you, and please don't interrupt me, just out
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Speaker 1: of respect for the audience at home. It doesn't matter
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Speaker 1: what Trump says or whether Trump actually agrees. You just
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Speaker 1: look like a statesman. It would have been a sound
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Speaker 1: bite moment. Don't whine, yeah, just try to be above
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Speaker 1: it all. And then Ben from that point forward, whenever
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Speaker 1: Trump interrupted me, I would I would have mucked him,
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Speaker 1: like from the high ground. I would have looked over
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Speaker 1: it and like you seem up, said do you need
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Speaker 1: a break? Getting the better of you? Are you? Are
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Speaker 1: you gonna be okay? And that would have driven Trump nuts.
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Speaker 1: There was one optic last night, and I laughed because
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Speaker 1: I knew how the media was going to respond to it.
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Speaker 1: Every time that Biden got very angry or upset, he
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Speaker 1: did what the media accuses Trump all he doing, doing
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Speaker 1: name calling. He said he was a racist. He told him, literally,
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Speaker 1: the President Night States America, to shut up. If Trump
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Speaker 1: would have done that, they would have said Trump's unhinged.
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Speaker 1: Trump comes unglued, Trump is erratic and cannot be trusted
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Speaker 1: with nuclear codes. We've we've seen this play out before,
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Speaker 1: but you saw last night when Biden got really irritated,
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Speaker 1: very quickly, he went to straight up name calling. Shut up,
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Speaker 1: be quiet, You're a racist, you're a big at, you
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Speaker 1: support white supremacists. And that is a point that I
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Speaker 1: think the President did not capitalize on enough, saying if
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Speaker 1: he can't even take heat from me, how do you
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Speaker 1: think he's going to do dealing with the rest of
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Speaker 1: the world and people that hate us well, And ironically,
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Speaker 1: those wound up being self inflicted wounds by Biden. To Biden,
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Speaker 1: because every time he did it, he did it right
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Speaker 1: after he made a salient point, right like he did
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Speaker 1: a wind up. He made a point Trump hadn't interrupted him,
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Speaker 1: and then he'd land it with some petty insult like well,
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Speaker 1: you're the worst prison in the world. You were like, yeah, wait,
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Speaker 1: you're kind of seven presidential. You us getting your point
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Speaker 1: and then like and then of course Trump would respond
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Speaker 1: to it with like roa, and then you're back on
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Speaker 1: the playground and you're thinking about the personal insults instead
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Speaker 1: of his point that he wanted us to hear A Biden.
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Speaker 1: You know, I talk every day for three hours on
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Speaker 1: the radio and this podcast as well, and the one
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Speaker 1: thing I can tell that voters really care about in
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Speaker 1: this election, and it's where I think Donald Trump has
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Speaker 1: the biggest advantage. It's not even the economy it used
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Speaker 1: to be. It's law and order and the president needs
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Speaker 1: to capitalize on that more than any other issue right now.
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Speaker 1: Because you can watch every night and in liberal cities
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Speaker 1: for one hundred plus days, in place like Portland, you
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Speaker 1: what you see is you see lawlessness in these liberal cities.
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Speaker 1: And last night he did have an excellent point, and
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Speaker 1: I want to play that for you. It is where
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Speaker 1: the President talked about, Hey, Biden, name one organization that
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Speaker 1: has endorsed you in law enforcement no one trusts you
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement. And of course you know Biden said,
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Speaker 1: oh that's not true, it's bologna. You fact check it.
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Speaker 1: And what the media loves to do. No one has
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Speaker 1: endorsed a guy. Take a look at this that still funding.
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Speaker 1: That is not true. He doesn't have any law with you,
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Speaker 1: He has no law enforced. That's not true, almost nothing. Really,
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Speaker 1: who do you have? Name one group that supports you,
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Speaker 1: Name one group that came out and supported you. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: I think we have time. We don't have time to
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Speaker 1: do it. Nae law enforcement group that came out, gentlemen,
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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna I'm gonna take back the bottom.
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Speaker 1: You know, if I'm Trump, I turned that into a campaign,
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Speaker 1: an ad right now and run it all the way
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Speaker 1: through election day, because I think that's how he can
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Speaker 1: turn hearts and minds of the undecideds. Yeah, and you know,
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Speaker 1: law enforcement is definitely a gettable group by Democrats. Normally,
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Speaker 1: you know, they tend to be union, they tend to
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Speaker 1: be middle class workers. It's not like this is this
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Speaker 1: is a group that always goes to Republic and they
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Speaker 1: were gettable. But given what's going on and how just
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Speaker 1: the uniform condemnation of police right now by the Democrats.
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Speaker 1: It's just a group that's full of racists and they're
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Speaker 1: all brutal. You know, black, white, doesn't matter. They're bad.
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Speaker 1: Why would they why would they get behind the Democratic
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Speaker 1: Party this year? And I think, you know Trump, that
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Speaker 1: was one point he made well because he stayed all
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Speaker 1: over right like he he followed up like which one,
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Speaker 1: which one? Tell me name the name the thing, and
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Speaker 1: he couldn't do it. And I do think that in
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Speaker 1: the midst of that Proud Boys, what all that that bad,
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Speaker 1: bad section, that that was not good. Um. Trump made
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Speaker 1: a good point about it is the violence we're seeing
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Speaker 1: in the streets is coming mostly from the left. He's
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Speaker 1: right about that. He tried to turn what was an
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Speaker 1: awkward moment for him into an offense, like an offensive
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Speaker 1: moment against Biden. And because he wasn't clear and condemning
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Speaker 1: Proud Boys, it got very muddled. But it is true.
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Speaker 1: The reason we've seen some militias in the streets is
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Speaker 1: because there was something to fight. People were going out
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Speaker 1: and turned from protesters into rioters who are flipping over
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Speaker 1: people's tables and shooting police officers. And you know, there's
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Speaker 1: some background to how they got there not to defend
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Speaker 1: their conduct, but Trump's write that the majority of the
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Speaker 1: violence has come from Antipa and it's supporting militias. You
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Speaker 1: look at the harassment of people. You as a public figure,
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Speaker 1: You've had people walk up to you and say things
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Speaker 1: and get in your face. But we're seeing this now
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Speaker 1: happen to normal people that are sitting out having dinner.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's something that the president could really
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Speaker 1: capitalize on, saying, do you want to live in a
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Speaker 1: country where people can surround you at dinner, scream at
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Speaker 1: you and tell you that if you don't say something,
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Speaker 1: they will literally come after you even more. And that
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Speaker 1: was a missed opportunity. I think as well, you're so
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Speaker 1: right because think about it. Those those videos are so infuriating,
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Speaker 1: aren't they there? They make my blood boil. You see
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Speaker 1: some couple minding their own business, A lot of them
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Speaker 1: are supporters, well they're supporters of BLM, and the next
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Speaker 1: thing you know, their tables getting flipped or they're making
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Speaker 1: you raise the fist. You have to raise your fist
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Speaker 1: and say Black Lives Matter or or else, like we
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Speaker 1: don't know what. And I feel like it's indicative of
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Speaker 1: what's happening in the country on a larger level where
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Speaker 1: even these corporations or the NFL or the NBA, you know,
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Speaker 1: Drew Brees, you will see it our way or you
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Speaker 1: will be punished. You got it. You will do what
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Speaker 1: we say, or you're going to lose your job. Got it?
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Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's no way of winning hearts
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Speaker 1: and minds. They've completely shut down debate. Their way of
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Speaker 1: winning debate is you don't get to talk. That's it.
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Speaker 1: You listen to me, you don't get to talk. Feel
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Speaker 1: like if Trump's at any sort of ace in the
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Speaker 1: hole that he didn't create, that's it. People don't want
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Speaker 1: to live like that. We're Americans. It's a free country.
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Speaker 1: We're allowed to think what we want, We're allowed to
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Speaker 1: say what we want. And the thing we cherish more
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Speaker 1: than anything else is the free and open debate of ideas.
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Speaker 1: I was talking to a ceoar the other day about
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Speaker 1: back in the eighties and the early nineties the shakedowns
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Speaker 1: of the Alice Sharpton Jesse Jackson's where they would go
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Speaker 1: to a company and say, if you don't do what
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Speaker 1: we need you to do, and if you don't donate
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Speaker 1: to us. We're going to pick at you. We're going
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Speaker 1: to come out and say that you're hurting African American
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Speaker 1: workers and you're a racist company, or you can work
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Speaker 1: with us. What we're now saying is he described to
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Speaker 1: me as this is nationwide. No one is willing to
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Speaker 1: take on Black Lives matter, which, by the way, in
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Speaker 1: California was chanting death to America. That is a chant
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Speaker 1: that you hear by the Aetola and Iran. You hear
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Speaker 1: it from Isis and Hamas and Hezbolla on al Qaeda.
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Speaker 1: They're chanting death to America. They're chanting what do we
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Speaker 1: want dead cops when we want him now? In New
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Speaker 1: York they're chanting pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon.
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Speaker 1: In Minneapolis while the police are escorting them across a
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Speaker 1: bridge for their protest. But no one has the guts
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Speaker 1: to stand up to them, none of these. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you talk about billions of dollars in advertising in sports
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Speaker 1: from the US open in the corners of every into
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Speaker 1: the court. Black lives matter on the NBA courts, the NFL,
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Speaker 1: not a single organization seems willing to stand up say
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to support an organization that's channing death
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Speaker 1: to America. Well, you know what you know. To me,
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Speaker 1: it's so ironic because you know who protects black lives. Police,
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Speaker 1: That's who protects black lives in the inner city from
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Speaker 1: the crime that goes on there. I think about the
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Speaker 1: women and children in these centers that are filled with
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Speaker 1: violent felonies. And when you deefund police, you take police
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Speaker 1: out of those city centers. Guess who gets hurt the
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Speaker 1: women and the children. They don't want the police presents
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Speaker 1: to go down. If you go to any of these
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Speaker 1: precinct meetings, they are arguing for more police. Women talk
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Speaker 1: about how they're relieved when they see a police in
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Speaker 1: the vestibule of their building. So it's this because something
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Speaker 1: awful happened with George Floyd, which no one would defend.
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Speaker 1: Suddenly the women in the inner city Chicago are here
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Speaker 1: in New York have to be at greater risk because
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Speaker 1: we have to get rid of the police protecting them,
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Speaker 1: because we need to push this narrative that all police
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Speaker 1: are bad and we need to get rid of them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look what just happened in Minneapolis. Ben they
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Speaker 1: defunded the police. They got rid of the entire police,
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Speaker 1: and now immediately they regret it and the board is
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Speaker 1: reversing itself and they want their police back, no kidding. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and everyone saw that coming, right, You knew that when
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Speaker 1: they said we're going to disband the police, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: not just defund them, disband them. And now they're just kidding,
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Speaker 1: never mind, took them three months. The other thing, if
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Speaker 1: you look at BLM's actual mission statements, and there it's
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Speaker 1: a different group depending on where you look. You know,
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Speaker 1: they have local chapters, but to pull up the one
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Speaker 1: from Seattle and take a look at their mission. What
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Speaker 1: they want is to defund the police, get rid of
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Speaker 1: the nuclear family. They don't believe in in sort of
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Speaker 1: the hetero normative family where there's a husband and a
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Speaker 1: wife who are straight, I mean, like who most people are, like,
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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're If you're not hetero and
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Speaker 1: you're not whatever, that's fine. But they're against it, like
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Speaker 1: they're against it, and they want they want to open
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Speaker 1: up the jails, they want to open up the prisons.
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Speaker 1: Everyone gets stick it out because they don't believe the
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Speaker 1: system is fair. Is that what Nike supports, is that
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Speaker 1: what the NFL is supporting. I think these people they're afraid,
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Speaker 1: they're afraid of being called racists. They pay the ransom.
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Speaker 1: So just like you talked about with Sharpton, so that
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Speaker 1: they don't, you know, if they get in trouble, they've
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Speaker 1: got this group behind it, and they haven't done their
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Speaker 1: research on what capital be. Capital l Capital M stands
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Speaker 1: for lowercase Black Lives Matter. Everyone agrees capital it's a
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Speaker 1: totally different story that group. People need to understand it
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Speaker 1: before they put their little sign up. My guests for
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Speaker 1: meeting Megan Kelly, she's a good friend of know owner
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Speaker 1: for years. And I want to take a very quick break.
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Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about what are you doing
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Speaker 1: now this new podcast? How is life? People say it
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Speaker 1: always how's Megan? Where is she? I'm like, it's a
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Speaker 1: great question. We're gonna deal with that coming up next
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17:21
Speaker 1: button now on your phone and then you just search
17:23
Speaker 1: Megan Kelly. Very just hit subscribing, download and then you
17:27
Speaker 1: give me a five star review. That's it. That's all
17:29
Speaker 1: you got to do. Five star reviews important. Don't forget
17:31
Speaker 1: that totally. And it was actually funny because I looked
17:34
Speaker 1: at the reviews one day and it was like it
17:36
Speaker 1: said like great, great, great, and it said Mom, Mom, Mom.
17:38
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I got how long? And then I
17:40
Speaker 1: realized it was mon Monday. I had a hip moment like, oh, wow,
17:45
Speaker 1: you went too far. You went too far. She's like, hey,
17:48
Speaker 1: she's all in. At least she knows she's got your back.
17:50
Speaker 1: She's awesome. So what are people gonna get with this podcast?
17:54
Speaker 1: So I'm going to do a couple of different things.
17:55
Speaker 1: We'll do long form interviews with interesting guests, especially on
17:59
Speaker 1: taboo subjects. I mean, I'm actually really interested to touch
18:02
Speaker 1: every third rail because we need more people to do it.
18:05
Speaker 1: No one's going to have these honest conversations unless more
18:08
Speaker 1: people start having these honest conversations. You know, we have
18:10
Speaker 1: to push back against the narrative that certain subjects are untouchable.
18:15
Speaker 1: And so that's one, but two, I want to do
18:19
Speaker 1: the news. So for example, today Wednesday, we dropped an
18:23
Speaker 1: episode or about to that talks about my reaction and
18:27
Speaker 1: my panel's reaction to Debate Debate last night, we have
18:29
Speaker 1: like a long, interesting discussion on what worked and what
18:32
Speaker 1: didn't work. And I think that's always something that I did. Okay,
18:36
Speaker 1: you know, I was able to take something dense and
18:39
Speaker 1: big and sometimes confusing and condense it down to something
18:42
Speaker 1: that was easy to digest by the audience. So I'll
18:45
Speaker 1: be doing that too. You know. I went through the
18:48
Speaker 1: withdrawal that I think you probably went through when I
18:52
Speaker 1: did seven years at CNN, and then I had this
18:55
Speaker 1: period over the last three and a half months, I've
18:59
Speaker 1: done no TV and it's surreal, but it's also kind
19:04
Speaker 1: of been like disconnecting from social media in a sense
19:07
Speaker 1: where you just get this, okay, I get to relax
19:10
Speaker 1: and not have to do that. Have you missed TV?
19:14
Speaker 1: What part of it do you miss? Do you want
19:16
Speaker 1: to do it again? I mean when you did that
19:18
Speaker 1: interview at Fox a couple months ago, I love it.
19:20
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks that if you're in TV, you know everything
19:23
Speaker 1: And my phone blew up going and she's coming back,
19:25
Speaker 1: She's coming back. I'm like, I have no idea. That's sweet.
19:27
Speaker 1: So many people have said, just go back to Fox.
19:29
Speaker 1: I want to see it. On Fox and I appreciate that,
19:32
Speaker 1: but the truth is, I don't miss that at all.
19:36
Speaker 1: For me. My life and cable news once I ascended
19:40
Speaker 1: to the prime time was really tough. It was highly unpleasant,
19:46
Speaker 1: and I just I looked around and said, I don't
19:49
Speaker 1: want to live like this. It's not worth it to me.
19:52
Speaker 1: You know, I love my audience and my relationship with them,
19:55
Speaker 1: but I need some joy in my life. And I
19:58
Speaker 1: need to see my kids, who are only seven, five
20:01
Speaker 1: and three when I left Fox News, so you know,
20:05
Speaker 1: I stand by that, and I made the right decision
20:07
Speaker 1: for me. Obviously, NBC did not work out, was not
20:10
Speaker 1: a good choice for me, which I learned the hard way,
20:12
Speaker 1: and I never I just kind of thought, I do
20:13
Speaker 1: a morning show that would let me get home to
20:15
Speaker 1: see my kids, and I didn't really think it through,
20:17
Speaker 1: which was on me. But now that I'm free and
20:21
Speaker 1: I can set my own schedule, on my own boss,
20:23
Speaker 1: and I can do the news the way I want
20:24
Speaker 1: to do it and just reconnect with my audience, I
20:26
Speaker 1: feel totally hopeful. You know, I'm seeing my kids, I'm
20:29
Speaker 1: seeing my husband, I'm seeing actually my friends, which is amazing.
20:32
Speaker 1: I never had time to nurture those relationships. And so
20:35
Speaker 1: far with this podcast, it's like I'm doing it right
20:37
Speaker 1: now from my house. I go back there, I say
20:40
Speaker 1: what I want to say. I have these interesting talks
20:42
Speaker 1: and nothing's off limits, just the way I always dreamed
20:45
Speaker 1: it could be. You know, I a couple of years ago,
20:49
Speaker 1: I didn't feel that happy, and I wanted something that
20:53
Speaker 1: was just pure joy because everything I did was controversial. Right,
20:56
Speaker 1: there's always people writing nasty things, trying to take you down,
20:59
Speaker 1: coming after you and your family. I didn't I really
21:03
Speaker 1: didn't do much outside of like my very very small group,
21:07
Speaker 1: and I love barbecuing, and I said, I'm going to
21:10
Speaker 1: open a barbecue restaurant. I love doing it. No one
21:12
Speaker 1: hates you if you make barbecue, and peoples have been
21:14
Speaker 1: You're crazy, you can't do it. Literally, open to barbecue
21:17
Speaker 1: restaurant in my hometown of Memphis. Well, the most joy
21:21
Speaker 1: that I've ever gotten from a business venture, because no
21:24
Speaker 1: one hates you, no one. It's people gather around food,
21:28
Speaker 1: they eat. They love barbecue. There's a cult following where
21:31
Speaker 1: people travel from California to New York and they come
21:33
Speaker 1: and they eat and they're happy. And I've found that
21:37
Speaker 1: what is it that you do? What is it that
21:39
Speaker 1: people don't know that it is kind of your outlets? Now, Well,
21:43
Speaker 1: the truth is, I have no culture in my life.
21:48
Speaker 1: I mean, my kids are still young right now, they're eleven,
21:51
Speaker 1: nine and seven. And what I do is I mother
21:53
Speaker 1: my children and I see my friends. And for me,
21:56
Speaker 1: it was a slow boil getting back to happiness because
22:00
Speaker 1: obviously when I left NBC or, I was unhappy for
22:02
Speaker 1: several months because I couldn't stand what was going on
22:06
Speaker 1: with that. But then once that passed, I just I
22:11
Speaker 1: started to see my kids again, you know. I started
22:12
Speaker 1: to see them every night, and even while I was
22:15
Speaker 1: at NBC, I had a lot of good time with
22:17
Speaker 1: my kids in the evening. And then you start to
22:19
Speaker 1: I started to do yoga, which I never did before,
22:21
Speaker 1: and this other crazy thing called the class here in
22:24
Speaker 1: New York City, which is so fun. What is it?
22:28
Speaker 1: It's it's awesome. With complete this, I'm going, I'll answer you,
22:31
Speaker 1: and so like it seeps in over time. You have
22:34
Speaker 1: enough drinks with your friends, you do enough yoga with them,
22:36
Speaker 1: you have enough funny lass with your kids at night
22:39
Speaker 1: when otherwise you would have been at work on the
22:41
Speaker 1: air and you think I feel good? Why but I
22:45
Speaker 1: feel good? What's going on? You know? It has sort
22:47
Speaker 1: of a natural antidepressant effect on your life. So I've
22:51
Speaker 1: been the beneficiary of that. But okay, the class it's
22:54
Speaker 1: closed right now. You can do it virtually, but it's
22:58
Speaker 1: this exercise program where you go and they do like
23:01
Speaker 1: you do aerobics, and then you get down in tone
23:03
Speaker 1: and then you're more aerobic acting than tone. But the
23:06
Speaker 1: interesting is because it's supposed to be kind of like therapeutic. Yeah,
23:13
Speaker 1: well you these women are like they get down and
23:16
Speaker 1: they work a body part. Let's saves your arms like this,
23:18
Speaker 1: and you're doing your arms and you're doing your arms
23:20
Speaker 1: and they it's like six minutes of your arms they're
23:22
Speaker 1: burning and they encourage you to be like ah, I
23:26
Speaker 1: just scream and some of the women cry. I've never
23:30
Speaker 1: done that, but I'm there like this, like I would
23:33
Speaker 1: be doing it to watch, like what is she gonna
23:35
Speaker 1: do next? That's how I I'm like, oh my god,
23:37
Speaker 1: I'm next to a crier. I'm next to a screamer,
23:39
Speaker 1: which is like pater You know, it's the most interesting hour,
23:43
Speaker 1: but it does work on your body, and you know,
23:45
Speaker 1: usually and you can totally tell who's going through a
23:48
Speaker 1: break up and who's not right totally, and of course
23:51
Speaker 1: they all get Trump. So whenever anything happens with Trump,
23:53
Speaker 1: it's like, we're all stressed out right now, and I'm
23:56
Speaker 1: kind of like whatever. But it's usually some twenty two
23:59
Speaker 1: year old who's never been through anything trying to give
24:01
Speaker 1: you little you know, piccadillos on how to get through life.
24:04
Speaker 1: But they have a couple of women who are really
24:06
Speaker 1: smart and really strong, and it was kind of just
24:08
Speaker 1: the right thing for me to be doing for a while.
24:10
Speaker 1: New York. I gotta ask you, you're in New York,
24:13
Speaker 1: you've seen a mass exodus of New York. I've always
24:16
Speaker 1: said New York with the fear is if you don't
24:18
Speaker 1: live in New York and you're not there, then you're
24:19
Speaker 1: not in the game. The game is now dispersed all
24:23
Speaker 1: over the country, from even Canada down to Florida to
24:26
Speaker 1: Middle America. I have more friends that used to live
24:28
Speaker 1: in New York that said I'll never go back after
24:30
Speaker 1: the fear of leaving. As Meghan Kelly, ever, you're gonna
24:33
Speaker 1: leave or you're gonna stay a New Yorker. That's a
24:37
Speaker 1: good point I mean I talked to Erica Rovera, you
24:39
Speaker 1: know her all those life a doll and you know
24:42
Speaker 1: they moved to Ohio, and she said, MK, the hardest
24:45
Speaker 1: part about leaving New York is leaving New York. You
24:48
Speaker 1: know how you never look back. I tell you, Ben,
24:51
Speaker 1: we seriously are taking a hard look at it for
24:53
Speaker 1: the first time. And it's it's not really because of COVID,
24:55
Speaker 1: because I think the city will come back from all
24:57
Speaker 1: the nonsense inflicted on us by our mayor God, who's
25:01
Speaker 1: just awful. But it's everything else, like defunding the police
25:05
Speaker 1: in New York City and just the hard left turn
25:09
Speaker 1: that it's taken. I've always been somebody who's more of
25:11
Speaker 1: a centrist, you know. I would say I'm center right
25:14
Speaker 1: kind of a a couple of things that I'm more a
25:15
Speaker 1: little bit more left on. I'm not hard right or
25:17
Speaker 1: hard left on anything. I didn't care. I could get along,
25:20
Speaker 1: you know, Upper West Side people and bother me. You
25:22
Speaker 1: don't have to talk about politics all the time. But
25:25
Speaker 1: it's just gotten so intolerant in the schools, in the
25:29
Speaker 1: community of any viewpoint that doesn't just submit to their worldview.
25:35
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be around that all the time,
25:37
Speaker 1: and I don't want my kids to be around that
25:39
Speaker 1: all the time. And I don't want them growing up
25:41
Speaker 1: in an environment that's anti American, because it's gotten very
25:45
Speaker 1: anti American in some of these schools, you know, the
25:47
Speaker 1: Howard's inn approach to history and how we're all oppressors.
25:51
Speaker 1: And I just for the first time, Doug and I
25:53
Speaker 1: are taking a hard look at what the options are. Hey,
25:56
Speaker 1: you and I have a good friend and Ben Shapiro,
25:58
Speaker 1: who he's making the move to Nashville, Tennessee from La
26:00
Speaker 1: lived there his whole life. It's very much the same
26:02
Speaker 1: thing we're seeing in California right now. Peo were saying,
26:05
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna make this decision. I'm done. Yeah. Well,
26:08
Speaker 1: I mean, if the community doesn't align with your values
26:12
Speaker 1: and they're in their face about their values, it gets
26:16
Speaker 1: really tiresome. And even at like you know, my daughter's school,
26:19
Speaker 1: which I love. I love the teachers there, and don't
26:21
Speaker 1: get me wrong, but there's a tenth grader who we know,
26:24
Speaker 1: who of course was assigned ibramex Kendy's How to be
26:27
Speaker 1: an Anti Racist over the summer, and I asked, you know,
26:31
Speaker 1: just out of curiosity did they assign you? You know
26:34
Speaker 1: Coleman Hugheses takedown of that book. Who is this incredible
26:38
Speaker 1: intellectual who's given a very honest look at race issues.
26:42
Speaker 1: He's black, and he's been really vocal about this movement.
26:45
Speaker 1: And really just if you haven't read Coleman's discussion of
26:49
Speaker 1: that book, you should, of course not. They're not interested
26:52
Speaker 1: in giving both sides like that there. They want to
26:56
Speaker 1: say what they think is right, to get patted on
26:58
Speaker 1: the head so that they don't get in or called
27:00
Speaker 1: nasty names. Well, one of the liberating things about having
27:03
Speaker 1: been called the nasty names is they don't have that
27:06
Speaker 1: power of you any anymore, you know, they they don't
27:09
Speaker 1: have that power. I'm I'm fine, and if you call
27:12
Speaker 1: me nasty names, I'm still going to be standing here
27:15
Speaker 1: saying what I believe. And then your real challenge is
27:18
Speaker 1: to say what you believe and to try to convince me,
27:21
Speaker 1: not punish me into submission. I got two more questions
27:25
Speaker 1: for you before I let you go. I was I
27:27
Speaker 1: was asked, I think one of the most interesting questions
27:30
Speaker 1: of my career when I was doing a speaking event
27:32
Speaker 1: the other day and the moderator said, what is the
27:35
Speaker 1: biggest misconception you think the public has about you? Ben,
27:40
Speaker 1: And I said, I really love people and I really
27:44
Speaker 1: like to have fun. I don't you know, I debate
27:48
Speaker 1: and go to war on TV whatever. But this idea
27:51
Speaker 1: that I'm some evil, mean person, right because of what
27:53
Speaker 1: I've done the last seven years of seeing him where
27:55
Speaker 1: you're always being attacked and people say, oh, he must
27:57
Speaker 1: be a jerk or whatever. I said, that's my biggest
28:00
Speaker 1: misconception that I would love to change. You've had a
28:03
Speaker 1: lot of articles written about you. You've had a lot,
28:05
Speaker 1: even a movie when you were kind of going through this.
28:10
Speaker 1: I'm out of you know, NBC. I've got this time
28:13
Speaker 1: and you see all this and you decompress. What do
28:16
Speaker 1: you think the biggest misconception is about you as a
28:19
Speaker 1: person that you wish people would know is just not true. Well, similarly,
28:24
Speaker 1: I think people who don't know me and people who
28:27
Speaker 1: didn't watch my show, people who watch any of the
28:29
Speaker 1: shows I've done, they know me better, but they think
28:33
Speaker 1: the words the words I hear are ice Queen, that
28:35
Speaker 1: I'm an ice queen, and that if they only knew you,
28:39
Speaker 1: that's just not true. Well, I'm not I'm not sure
28:40
Speaker 1: if I want to disabuse people of it, because I
28:42
Speaker 1: kind of let it makes me sounding a little stronger
28:44
Speaker 1: than I might be, but it isn't true at all.
28:47
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm very goofy and very I have the
28:51
Speaker 1: sense of humor of a twelve year old boy. I mean,
28:53
Speaker 1: honestly like toilet humor. I love it so and I'm
28:57
Speaker 1: just I don't take myself that seriously. I come from
28:59
Speaker 1: a long line of very funny women, and this is
29:02
Speaker 1: I laugh at everything. But as you say, you're out
29:07
Speaker 1: there every night in the coliseum, and when you put
29:09
Speaker 1: somebody in the coliseum and the tiger comes at them,
29:11
Speaker 1: they're going to fight. And that also happens to be
29:15
Speaker 1: something I know how to do well so and I
29:17
Speaker 1: don't mind doing it. I like to fight. I am fugilistic,
29:21
Speaker 1: so I think people just think maybe I'm not a
29:24
Speaker 1: nice person, but I am. I'm just in the business
29:27
Speaker 1: of fighting. When I'm working as a cable news anchor.
29:31
Speaker 1: One of the things I'm doing on the podcast is
29:33
Speaker 1: something I think better around it. You know something, It's
29:36
Speaker 1: not about fighting all the time. It's about good discussions
29:39
Speaker 1: where you learn. You feel that intellectual itch scratched while
29:42
Speaker 1: hopefully being entertained. But make no mistake about it. If
29:46
Speaker 1: you put somebody across from me who's saying a bunch
29:48
Speaker 1: of nonsense or attacking me or my audience, they're gonna
29:51
Speaker 1: get it lastly. And I know that again for people
29:55
Speaker 1: watch her now, make sure they download your podcast. You
29:57
Speaker 1: can subscribe, give the five stars. I want to get
30:00
Speaker 1: one more political question in. I don't think Donald Trump
30:04
Speaker 1: grabbed enough of the undecided in this first debate. If
30:09
Speaker 1: I had to guess who's gonna win if the election
30:12
Speaker 1: was today, I think there's a very good chance it
30:14
Speaker 1: would be Biden. I want your take on that. And also,
30:17
Speaker 1: what does Trump have to do in debates two and
30:19
Speaker 1: three to get enough of those undecided? Because I think
30:23
Speaker 1: we're so divided as a country. I think it's probably
30:25
Speaker 1: forty eight forty eight, there's very little room in the middle.
30:28
Speaker 1: You got to get above obviously that fifty, you know,
30:31
Speaker 1: plus one to win this thing. What does Trump have
30:34
Speaker 1: to do to get that win? I think you should
30:38
Speaker 1: spend all the debates talking about the agenda you're going
30:40
Speaker 1: to get if you put Joe Biden in office. You know,
30:43
Speaker 1: at the end of the last race, when Trump won
30:45
Speaker 1: for the first time. Handy closed out his show the
30:48
Speaker 1: night before the election with a long indictment of Hillary
30:51
Speaker 1: Clinton and the policies you'd be getting under Hillary Clinton,
30:54
Speaker 1: and it was it was effective. And I think if
30:57
Speaker 1: Trump just tries to stay on message, gets out of
31:01
Speaker 1: his own way to try to focus like a laser
31:05
Speaker 1: on what you're gonna get. Because if you look at
31:08
Speaker 1: the two men and you're trying to make an assessment
31:10
Speaker 1: of who's kinder, who's more genteel, who would people like more,
31:16
Speaker 1: You're probably gonna go with Biden, you know, given the
31:19
Speaker 1: way they present. But when, like last night, Biden's like
31:23
Speaker 1: it's about unity, we need to come together, It's like, Okay,
31:27
Speaker 1: that sounds good in principle, but the people you want
31:30
Speaker 1: me to get together with are overturning my dinner table,
31:33
Speaker 1: telling me if I don't take a knee, they're gonna
31:35
Speaker 1: hurt me. So I'm not sure how we're going to
31:39
Speaker 1: unify over stuff like that. And you're saying to unify,
31:43
Speaker 1: you might add three more justices to the Supreme Court,
31:46
Speaker 1: which effectively nullifies the Supreme Court. So it's going to
31:49
Speaker 1: be tough to unify over the things like that. As
31:52
Speaker 1: much as grand as you make it sound. So Trump's
31:56
Speaker 1: got to zero in on that, and he better get
31:59
Speaker 1: his examples ready for the lot of God. Make your
32:03
Speaker 1: point A, have little one and little too ready to go.
32:06
Speaker 1: Make your point B. Have little one and little too
32:08
Speaker 1: ready to go, so you can back it up, back
32:11
Speaker 1: it up. And I think that's all he should be doing.
32:13
Speaker 1: And he should not be insulting and should never be interrupting.
32:16
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to look presidential. He just needs to
32:19
Speaker 1: get more substantive. Last thing I got to ask you,
32:22
Speaker 1: will we have a new president or will we know
32:24
Speaker 1: who the president is on election night? Or how long
32:27
Speaker 1: do you think you could drag on? Because all the
32:28
Speaker 1: mail in Ballad I want to date. I mean, call
32:31
Speaker 1: me crazy. I think we'll know. I think we will know.
32:34
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a decisive win one way or
32:37
Speaker 1: the other. And I also think that if Trump loses,
32:40
Speaker 1: there will be a peaceful transition of power. I do
32:43
Speaker 1: think he'll do that, but I don't know. If ben
32:46
Speaker 1: I wouldn't count him out. He was trailing Hillary Clinton
32:48
Speaker 1: this time around two and I think I think a
32:51
Speaker 1: lot of conservatives, a lot of posters, because they just
32:54
Speaker 1: want to screw with him, and they're just not even
32:57
Speaker 1: that okay, so yes, they want to screw with them,
32:59
Speaker 1: but they're there are people who live like on ther
33:02
Speaker 1: boy side, who have been shamed out of saying anything
33:05
Speaker 1: like they're just they're just not going to tell the
33:07
Speaker 1: truth because as soon as you say you support Trump,
33:09
Speaker 1: you're a racist, bigot, xenophobes, sexist, transphobe. You know, I
33:13
Speaker 1: could go on everything. Who's gonna say that? Right Like,
33:16
Speaker 1: no one must be called that now. I'm not saying,
33:19
Speaker 1: you know, everybody who's sitting on the sidelines right now
33:22
Speaker 1: is like that. But I wouldn't underestimate the secret Trump vote.
33:26
Speaker 1: And I think if Trump keeps making the case about
33:29
Speaker 1: what the alternative is, some of those on the fence,
33:33
Speaker 1: moderate Democrats, moderate Republicans who are leaning Biden might come home.
33:38
Speaker 1: The silent majority, I think is real. I agree with
33:40
Speaker 1: you there, Megan, always a pleasure. Congrats on the new podcasts.
33:44
Speaker 1: Everybody that is listening to this or watching this on
33:47
Speaker 1: social media, make sure you download her new podcast. And
33:50
Speaker 1: I hope we get to do this again soon. I
33:53
Speaker 1: would love to anytime. Thanks down with the podcast right now,
33:56
Speaker 1: and don't forget down with my podcast. As well Megan Kelly,
33:59
Speaker 1: I'll see us soon. Have you been all the best?
34:01
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34:03
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