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Illegal Orders or Political Theater? Democrats Urge Troops to Defy Trump · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: So Democrats have urged military members to reject unlawful orders
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  Speaker 1: in a new video. I just want you to let
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  Speaker 1: that set in for just a moment. Just think about
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  Speaker 1: what I just said. Democrats are now urging military members
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  Speaker 1: to go rogue to reject orders coming from Donald Trump. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course, they disguise us under the idea of rejecting quote,
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  Speaker 1: unlawful orders. In this new video, we're talking about legitimate
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  Speaker 1: members of Congress. Senator Mark Kelly, for example, join another
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  Speaker 1: senator and four House members to release a one minute
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  Speaker 1: video urging US troops and intelligence personnel to refuse what
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  Speaker 1: they describe as illegal orders and consult legal advisors. Many
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  Speaker 1: in the group, like the former CIA analysts who's now
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  Speaker 1: turned Senator Slotken, drew from their own service experience to
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  Speaker 1: stress loyalty to the Constitution over any individual. President Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump has called the message sedition and demanded arrests. Legal
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  Speaker 1: experts note it aligns with military law requiring obedience only
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  Speaker 1: two lawful commands. The exchange underscores the ongoing concern by
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  Speaker 1: many conservatives of a radical left that is now basically
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  Speaker 1: advocating for a coup attempt. What's even more crazy than
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  Speaker 1: this is the fact that now that Democrats who are
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  Speaker 1: in the video are having to defend the video, they
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  Speaker 1: sound even more unhinged than the video originally. JD Vance
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  Speaker 1: putting this out earlier, saying, quote, if the president has
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  Speaker 1: an issue to llegal orders, the members of Congress telling
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  Speaker 1: the military defy the president is by definition illegal. This
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  Speaker 1: after the Senator Slow can It admitted Democrats lied about
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  Speaker 1: President Trump using illegal orders to the military. ABC News
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  Speaker 1: asking the question earlier, and I want you to hear
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  Speaker 1: what they had to say on the Sunday Morning shows
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  Speaker 1: when they were asked a simple question about the order.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk right now. Do you believe President Trump has
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  Speaker 2: issued any illegal orders?
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  Speaker 3: To my knowledge, I am not aware of things that
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  Speaker 3: are illegal, but certainly there are some legal gymnastics that
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  Speaker 3: are going on with these Caribbean strikes and everything related
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  Speaker 3: to Venezuela.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So she just said the answer is no, right,
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  Speaker 1: like the answer is no. To my knowledge, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: aware of things that are legal. So then why would
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  Speaker 1: you join a video, a psychotic, crazy video saying that
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  Speaker 1: you have an obligation, that you have a duty that
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  Speaker 1: you must follow the law and defy the president of
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  Speaker 1: the United States of America. Now you know this guy,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kelly. He said, Trump essentially said loyalty to the
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  Speaker 1: Constitution is punishable by death. Those are dangerous words, he says,
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  Speaker 1: coming from the President of United States of America. And
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  Speaker 1: then he said, I'm not going to be intimidated, even
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  Speaker 1: though he's the one that put out a video without
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  Speaker 1: any evidence backing that there was any illegal orders ever
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  Speaker 1: given by the President of the United States America. Glenn
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  Speaker 1: Beck also putting out earlier today and the President retweeting
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  Speaker 1: it or retruthing it. Glenn Beck said, this is the
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  Speaker 1: law real Donald Trump is looking for eighteen USC. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: three eighty seven Activities Affecting Armed Forces General. The statue
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  Speaker 1: makes it a federal crime to do any of the
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  Speaker 1: following with the intent to interfere with US military operations.
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  Speaker 1: Number one. Advise urge or attempt to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny,
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  Speaker 1: or refusal of duty among members of the US military.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, Obstruct or attempt to obstruct recruiting, enlistment, or
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  Speaker 1: general military operations. Number three Distribute written materials advocating any
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  Speaker 1: of the above. This law does not require advocating the
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  Speaker 1: overthrow of the government. That is S Twenty three eighty five.
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  Speaker 1: Section twenty three eighty seven is specifically about undermine the
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  Speaker 1: functions or the functioning of the US military. Now, Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump reposted that, why because it's very clear this video
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  Speaker 1: was meant to do exactly that. So now you look
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  Speaker 1: at where we are. You have a president that is
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  Speaker 1: having to deal with members of Congress coming out and
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  Speaker 1: saying very clearly that the president of the United States
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  Speaker 1: of America, you should stop listening to him, disobey him,
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  Speaker 1: and do everything in your power to stop him. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is also coming from a former CIA now turn senator.
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  Speaker 1: She's defending her trees as call for service members to
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  Speaker 1: find Trump's illegal orders by invoking the movie I'm not
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  Speaker 1: joking a few good men with Tom Cruise as an
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  Speaker 1: example of consequences troops could face. I'm not joking. She
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  Speaker 1: actually said this. How do I know it? Well, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to play the tape for you. Now, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Very clear that no one should follow an illegal order,
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  Speaker 2: But it's very murky when you look at what is
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  Speaker 2: an illegal order, and if you go into morally ethically,
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  Speaker 2: that's a pretty tough thing to look at and say
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  Speaker 2: how do I navigate this?
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  Speaker 4: Uh? I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're going back to Nuremberg, right that, well,
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  Speaker 3: they told me to do it.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I murdered people. Is not an excuse. If
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  Speaker 4: you look at.
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  Speaker 3: Popular culture, there's like you watch you know a few
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  Speaker 3: good men like We have plenty of examples since World
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  Speaker 3: War Two in Vietnam where people were told to follow
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  Speaker 3: illegal orders and they did it and they were prosecuted
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  Speaker 3: for it. So the best thing for people to do
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  Speaker 3: is go to their jag officer, their local law enforcement
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  Speaker 3: or a legal officer in their unit and ask for
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  Speaker 3: some explanation, ask for help.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what we've been advising people to do.
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  Speaker 2: It is very clear that no one should follow an
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  Speaker 2: illegal order.
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  Speaker 1: I play the beginning there for you again, because it's
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  Speaker 1: just amazing how simple the question was. And then she
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  Speaker 1: literally because they know they're grasping a stralitary like they
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  Speaker 1: made this crap up a they tried to overthrow the
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  Speaker 1: president of United States of America with a military coup.
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  Speaker 1: That's how I would describe it. This is where you
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  Speaker 1: get yourself. Even Bill Maher is slamming Democrats for telling
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  Speaker 1: military members they can disobey Trump administration orders. He said
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  Speaker 1: on his show on HBO quote, once you say to
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  Speaker 1: the military, you get to side as opposed to yes, sir, no, sir,
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  Speaker 1: follow orders. It's a dangerous area. I could not agree with.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Mahr Moore NBC News also on Meet the Press,
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  Speaker 1: asking the same question Senator Klobachar about what has happened
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  Speaker 1: here with her party and NBC Newo's asking this question.
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  Speaker 5: Listen carefully, you know what the specific illegal acts are
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  Speaker 5: that your Democratic colleagues were referring to there.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it's very clear in this code for the military
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  Speaker 6: that you cannot follow on lawful orders, and you know
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  Speaker 6: that would be I'll just use an example. Some of
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  Speaker 6: the judges have now found in certain cities that it
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  Speaker 6: is not legal to send in the National Guard, and
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  Speaker 6: those national Guard members have come home. Some of them
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  Speaker 6: are still there. But if they're a commander, were to
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  Speaker 6: tell him, hey, go out on the streets and do this,
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  Speaker 6: and that that's not following the order that is in law.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you hear it there again, She's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: national Guard troops being deployed, are you kidding me? The
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  Speaker 1: president has the right to do that. The president has
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  Speaker 1: the right to do that. This is now Amy Klobachar
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  Speaker 1: saying that the President United States of America is someone
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  Speaker 1: that you shouldn't listen to if you're a liberal in
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  Speaker 1: the military, because we're saying don't follow any of his orders.
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  Speaker 1: This goes back to the law that I read earlier
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  Speaker 1: that put out by Glenn Beck that the President retweeted
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  Speaker 1: explaining what laws you are breaking when you are doing
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  Speaker 1: Crow for what he had said in the video, and
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear this back and forth as well.
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  Speaker 5: Let's get to the content of what you had in
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  Speaker 5: that video you released, because there are also fifteen House
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  Speaker 5: Report publicans who are also veterans who released a video,
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  Speaker 5: including a retired three star Marine Corps General Jack Bergman.
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  Speaker 4: Take a listen to this, troops, listen up.
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  Speaker 1: Any service member who refuses a lawful order is subject
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  Speaker 1: to court martial for violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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  Speaker 5: We study what's lawful and what's not lawful, and the
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  Speaker 5: Democrats stunt insinuating that their illegal or unconstitutional orders.
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  Speaker 2: It's downright dangerous.
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  Speaker 4: It is corrosive.
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  Speaker 7: It is meant to weaken our country and weaken the military.
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  Speaker 5: How do you respond to these allegations from your colleagues?
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  Speaker 5: Fellow veterans that what you have put out there is
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  Speaker 5: weakening and corrosive to the military.
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  Speaker 7: Well, these, unfortunately, are some of Trump's core supporters that
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  Speaker 7: are rallying behind the president, and they know better. They
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  Speaker 7: know exactly the difference between lawful versus unlawful. We are
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  Speaker 7: very clear in the video that we're talking about as
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  Speaker 7: unlawful orders. You have the president's spokesperson going on into
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  Speaker 7: a press conference this past week and saying that we
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  Speaker 7: called for people to disobey lawful orders. They're simply lying
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  Speaker 7: because the truth is unacceptable to them. It's unacceptable. We
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  Speaker 7: wanted to start a conversation and we did about the
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  Speaker 7: dangerous rhetoric this president is using and the threats that
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  Speaker 7: he's made to use our military in an unlawful way.
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  Speaker 7: Because what well, send troops into Chicago, send troops into
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  Speaker 7: polling stations, kill terrorists, families, arrest and execute, arrest and
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  Speaker 7: execute members of Congress.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is they're just now making stuff up,
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  Speaker 1: like just straight up making things up. Send troops in
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  Speaker 1: a polling station, killed terrorists, families. Even CBS News responded
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  Speaker 1: with quote, he hasn't done those things. This is what
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  Speaker 1: a lunatic sounds like, so I can in vote Numberg.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, in her defense of Democrats illegal orders,
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  Speaker 1: and that's another example of the crazies here, she should
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  Speaker 1: be how to count for this? Now, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the Numberg trials were, they were the trials
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  Speaker 1: that happened for the Nazis that were killing millions of Jews,
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  Speaker 1: right like war crimes, and the Nuremberg trials were to
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  Speaker 1: hold those account about the highest levels underneath Hitler, who
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  Speaker 1: said their excuses, we were just following orders exterminating six
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  Speaker 1: million jews'. That's like, sorry, you should be held accountable
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  Speaker 1: for that. That's what the Nuremberg trials were about. Well,
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  Speaker 1: now you have this crazy former CIA person who is
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  Speaker 1: invoking the Nuremberg in her defensive Democrats illegal orders videos.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't mention this earlier, so I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go back and want to play it for you again.
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  Speaker 1: Listen carefully.
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  Speaker 4: It is very.
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  Speaker 2: Clear that no one should follow an illegal order, but
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  Speaker 2: it's very murky when you look at what is an
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  Speaker 2: illegal order, and if you go into morally ethically, that's
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  Speaker 2: a pretty tough thing to look at and say, how
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  Speaker 2: do I navigate this?
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you going back to Nuremberg, right that, Well,
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  Speaker 3: they told me to do it.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I murdered people. Is not an excuse.
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  Speaker 1: She just compared p people that follow the rules or
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  Speaker 1: the orders of the President of the United States of
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  Speaker 1: America Donald Trump to those who followed the orders of
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  Speaker 1: Adolph Hitler in Nuremberg trials. Like the level of psychoticness
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  Speaker 1: by Democrats, and this is them, I would say telling you,
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  Speaker 1: this is a coup. This is a soft coup attempt.
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  Speaker 1: That is what this is. It is a soft coup attempt,
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  Speaker 1: plain and simple. You're advocating and supporting and winking and
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  Speaker 1: nodding and saying, hey, guys, do us all a favor here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: don't do what Donald Trump tells you to do. Just
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  Speaker 1: don't do it. I just just straight up don't do it.
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  Speaker 1: It's not worth it. If you don't like him, then
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  Speaker 1: just just you know what I mean, just just don't
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  Speaker 1: do it. If you don't if you want to get
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  Speaker 1: rid of him, then to get rid of him. It's
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it truly is incredible. Like for me, this
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  Speaker 1: is phenomenal that we have this type and this isn't
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  Speaker 1: a secret video they produced it, they put it out.
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  Speaker 1: They decided to let the world see just how radical
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  Speaker 1: and extreme they are. When they tell you how crazy
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  Speaker 1: are I believe them, and by the way, some of them.
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  Speaker 1: Let's also be clear, getting elected. Right now, you've had
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  Speaker 1: two major cities that have elected full blown communists and
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  Speaker 1: the last what six weeks. In the last six weeks,
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  Speaker 1: So if you think that this is a one off
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  Speaker 1: of where the party is, you're wrong. The Democratic Party
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  Speaker 1: and how Dias my producer, I'm asking this sincerely, how
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  Speaker 1: long have I been saying that the Democratic Party is dead,
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  Speaker 1: that they're actually Marxist socialists and communists masquerading as Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: When I started, he's just yelling at me. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: you've been saying it for years. You were the first
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  Speaker 1: person say it. And people, by the way, when I
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  Speaker 1: said on TV, thought I was crazy. They're like, that's absurd,
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  Speaker 1: that's a ludicrous something. No, No, the Democratic Party is dead.
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  Speaker 1: They are there. These are Marxist socialists and communists who
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  Speaker 1: know that America can't handle that yet nationwide, so they
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  Speaker 1: lie and tell you they're a Democrat. Now we have
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  Speaker 1: full blown socialists that aren't having a lot to you
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  Speaker 1: in places like Portland, in Seattle, in New York City,
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  Speaker 1: for example, you have declared socialists who are winning elections,
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  Speaker 1: and socialists never respect the laws of the land. They
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  Speaker 1: never have. They don't respect the laws of the land.
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  Speaker 1: We all know they don't respect the laws of the land.
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  Speaker 1: We know that. And they're saying no, no, no, We get
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  Speaker 1: to do what we want to do when we want
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  Speaker 1: to do it, however we want to do it, That's
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  Speaker 1: what we do. It is truly sad, it's truly sick.
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  Speaker 1: It's undermining our entire way of life. It's under my
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  Speaker 1: our entire nation. They again, they don't care why because
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  Speaker 1: they when they lose an election, this is what they do.
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  Speaker 1: It is anarchy. John Fetterman, by the way, calling them
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  Speaker 1: out again for this talking about just how insane we
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  Speaker 1: are and just go back to the libel and slander
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  Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. I said this earlier today when
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  Speaker 1: I was on I was on Fox and they asked
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  Speaker 1: me about this. I want you to listen. I had
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  Speaker 1: to say about all this with John Scott on Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Channel about how disastrous this is. Yeah, it may
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  Speaker 1: be one of the dumbest crosses that someone's gone to
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  Speaker 1: die on politically that I've ever seen made out of
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  Speaker 1: than they are created out of nothing, all because you
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  Speaker 1: hate Donald Trump so much and you're trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the military to an essence, have a coup against the
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  Speaker 1: orders of the President of United States of America. I
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  Speaker 1: understand they don't like Donald Trump. I, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: didn't like Barack Obama very much, didn't like Joe Biden
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  Speaker 1: very much. But never in my wildest dreams could I've
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  Speaker 1: imagined any Republican putting out a video telling men and
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  Speaker 1: women in uniform to defy the orders of the commander
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  Speaker 1: in chief. I always root for my commander in chief,
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  Speaker 1: the president units It's America, even when he's not in
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  Speaker 1: my party, on issues of national security and foreign policy
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  Speaker 1: that deal with people's lives. And what you have here
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  Speaker 1: from Kelly and others is they decided we are going
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  Speaker 1: to do a link in a nod to the men
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  Speaker 1: and women in uniform saying do what we do, don't
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  Speaker 1: abide by the laws, overthrow the will of the people,
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  Speaker 1: try to undermine the President of the United States of America,
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  Speaker 1: and were got your back if you decide to go rogue.
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  Speaker 1: That is I get. I understand why the words treason
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  Speaker 1: are being used here because when you're ask them, what
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: are you pointing to that the president did that made
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: you feel like we were at a crossroads where you
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  Speaker 1: have to do this video, they point to nothing. This
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  Speaker 1: goes exactly back to the democratic way of life. If
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: you don't like something in this country, they just say,
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  Speaker 1: who cares what the rules are, whether it's going after
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  Speaker 1: ice agents, whether it's having a wide open border, hell,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's literally using a forklift to lift up razor
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  Speaker 1: wire to let illegal immigrants into this country. They do
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  Speaker 1: not respect the laws of the land. They do not
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  Speaker 1: respect the laws of the land. That's what it boils
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  Speaker 1: down to, all right. I want to bring something else
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  Speaker 1: to your attention real quick, and it has to deal
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: with Ukraine and Russia. The war in Russia is continuing.
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  Speaker 1: We are now seeing the president and our foreign policy
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  Speaker 1: is changing pretty quickly based on the corruption that we
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: are now finding in Ukraine. By the way, if you
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: were listening to the show three years ago, I told
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  Speaker 1: you about the meeting that I had with Victor Or,
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  Speaker 1: who's the prime minister in charge of Hungary, and he
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: said to me, at the very beginning of this war,
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  Speaker 1: if you think Russia in corruption is bad. You've seen
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  Speaker 1: nothing until you look at what's going on Ukraine. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: was also told by his government. Then he said, you
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  Speaker 1: guys don't understand when you're sending this money, it's not
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: going to help people in the war effort. It's going
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: to load the pockets of corrupt government officials under Zelenski
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  Speaker 1: as well. He said, their families have already been sent
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  Speaker 1: to Warsaw, their staying in five star hotels, and they're
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: blowing your cash. And when this happened, I came on
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: this show, and that was three years ago, and I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: told you the story of what he said to me.
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  Speaker 1: As we said on his balcony, he literally showed me
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: documents showing the amount of corruption in Ukraine, and he
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: was explaining to me the history of Ukraine corruption. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: his point was not backing Putin at all. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: like Vladimir Putin. He doesn't like the fact that he's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: depending on Putin to keep the lights on with oil
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  Speaker 1: and gas. But they're a landlocked country and so that's
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the world he has to play in. But what I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: learned from Victor Orban is that not everything is as
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: simple as okay. Russia's bad, Ukraine's good, therefore you back them. Well,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: now we know because of this massive corruption scandal. And
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  Speaker 1: by the way, this is not the first time this
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: has ever come out. We heard about kickbacks early on
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  Speaker 1: in the war. Then there was another big kickback story
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  Speaker 1: that happened not that long ago. I mean it's like
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: every six months another one comes out. Well, now what
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: we're hearing is there's a very good chance at arms
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: deal and an aid from the US to Ukraine may
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: be stopping soon because of all of this corruption. And
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: what it also means is guys like Zelensky have a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: vested interest in keeping the war going because as long
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: as the war's going and they have all this coming
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in from America, then they're making money off this war.
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  Speaker 1: So there's no incentive to stop the war. You understand
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  Speaker 1: why this is a very complicated issue, which brings me
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to this newest headline coming out from the Telegraph right now.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: It says, quote, Europe agrees to invite Vladimir Putin back
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  Speaker 1: into the G eight, Moscow's return to world stage, and
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  Speaker 1: cap on size of Ukrainian army, among concessions made in
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  Speaker 1: a European counter deal Vladimir Putin could return to the
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  Speaker 1: world stage under a European peace plan that agrees to
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  Speaker 1: allow Russia back into the Gug eight. The offer was
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  Speaker 1: made in a counterproposal to Donald Trump's twenty eight point plan,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: which heavily favored Russia. The European plan contains several concessions,
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  Speaker 1: including a cap of the size of the Ukrainian's army
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  Speaker 1: and a commitment to elections that could see Zolensky removed
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  Speaker 1: from power, a key demand of Moscow. Now, I think
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: if there is a free and fair election in Ukraine,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that Zolensky will be removed from power.
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  Speaker 1: He has suspended all elections in the name of war.
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  Speaker 1: That's a problem.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 1: This all comes following an emergency summit in Geneva. Marco Rubio,
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  Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, said on Sunday night that the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: US was now making some changes to its peace plan.
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  Speaker 1: That is an important moment that you need to just understand. Okay,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say it again. Marco Rubio said the
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: said that the US was now quote making some changes
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  Speaker 1: to its peace plan. He added, I think this is
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a very very meaningful I would say probably best meeting
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  Speaker 1: and day we've had so far in the entire process,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: going back to when we first came into office. In January,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the counterproposal was published after the US President said Ukraine
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: had shown zero gratitude for American efforts to end the war. Now,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: why would Zelenski not want to end the war because
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: he and his co arts are making millions off of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this war with corruption. Mister Trump has to sign off
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  Speaker 1: on the deal, mister Rubio said. Russia, which has repeatedly
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: change its demands, also has to sign off on it
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  Speaker 1: as well. But under the European Plan, Russia is to
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: be progressively reintegrated into the global economy. The plan adds
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: that the country could rejoin the G eight. The deal
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: also states that the size of Ukrainian military is to
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: be capped at eight hundred thousand in peacetime, whereas an
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: earlier version of the European plan included no cap. The
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: US Russia proposal asked for a six hundred thousand cap.
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  Speaker 1: Trump's plan six hundred, European counter offer eight hundred. The
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: deal ads Ukraine will hold elections as soon as possible
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  Speaker 1: after the signing of the peace agreement. Now the question
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: as soon as possible. What does that mean? Because Zelenski
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: does not want to have those elections because if he
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: does have those elections, the majority of people believe he
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: will be out of office so fast it won't even
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: be funny. Okay, So he has no interest vested interest
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  Speaker 1: in a the war ending and B elections because if
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: there is an election, after so many soldiers have died
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and the corruption around him, I cannot imagine he wins.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: The deal also removes the clause that would give the
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: US fifty percent of future profits from Frozian Russian assets
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: invested in Ukraine. Now, the twenty eight point plan draws
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: up drawn up excuse me by the Americans, demanded that
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Ukraine give up large tracts of land, including territory that
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: has not even been conquered by Russian forces. The European
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: counter proposal says that negotiations on territorial swaps will start
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: from the line of contact or the front line, so
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that would change that as well. Now Trump's plan would
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: be this Crimea and other areas will be recognized as
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the facto Russian, including by the United States of America.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: That is part of the plan that's going to change
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, I want to be clear. But
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: the president put a plan together they thought he could
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  Speaker 1: actually get done. Now we'll see how Russia responds. Europe's
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: counter offer commits no, commits not to recover its occupied
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  Speaker 1: sovereign territory through military means. Negotiations on territorial swaps will
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: start from the line of contact, so that is a
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: big change. Now if proposed proposes that Ukraine should receive
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a security guarantee in this as well from Washington, similar
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: to NATO's Article five clause. The Europeans went Russian sovereign
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: assets to remain frozen until Moscow pays compensation for the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: immense damage its cause since its full scale invasion. The
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: counterplan was drawn up by Britain, Germany and France, the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: so called European E three powers. Starmers spoke to mister
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  Speaker 1: Trump on Sunday in degree that Ukraine was facing a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: critical moment. A Downing Street spokesman also confirmed, saying quote
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the leaders discussed various aspects of the high level discussions
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: taking place in Geneva today on the US peace plan
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  Speaker 1: for Ukraine. They agreed that we all must work together
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: at this critical moment. To bring about a and lasting peace,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: as it was called. Writing on his True Social Platform,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Trump said, Ukraine's leadership has expressed their gratitude for our efforts.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: He also criticized Europe for not doing enough to end
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the conflict. He did not criticize Moscow for invading Ukraine
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in the first place. Liberals immediately pointed out and again,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: the president's obviously trying to get a deal done with Russia,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: so why would you point that out at this moment.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: The twenty eight point proposal put forward by the term
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: administration has also been widely criticized by the left for
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: being far too favorable to Moscow. Again, the president understands
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Moscow has the upper hand here, and this also has
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: now forced the EU to engage, which they weren't doing before.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing, So we'll see what the final
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: deal actually looks like. But what this did do is
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it brought France, Germany, the UK together very quickly, and
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: they realized that it was time for them to get
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a deal done. Critics have said that this reads like
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a wish list quote unquote for Putin. Again, this has
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: brought the u K and Germany and France into the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: fold so if that means it's a better deal for
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: those in Ukraine, then great. I will go back to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the core point here. The president's clearly trying to get
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: the ball moving. He put out some deal points. Now
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: others are wanting to change some of those deal points.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Russia has changed, Ukraine has changed. This is an ongoing
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: negotiation that is very clear. But what this also says
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: is it the present was right. You got to get
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: something out there to start negotiating on, and so we
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: put together a hardcore plan to actually start negotiating on it.
• 28:38
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