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Nick Egan PhD: Leaving Home as Half the Dharma — Lived Philosophy from Tibet to Leadership · The Living Conversation

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  Foreign.
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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright.
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with.
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  And
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  our
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  guest
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  today
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  is
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  Nick
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  Egan.
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  And
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  Nick
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  is
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  a
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  executive
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  coach,
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  but
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  also
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  a
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  philosopher.
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  And
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  I
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  noticed
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  and
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  Adam
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  was
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  talking
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  about
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  this
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  during
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  one
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  of
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  our.
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  When
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  we
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  were
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  not
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  recording.
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  Nick,
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  you've
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  done
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  quite
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  a
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  bit
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  of
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  travel
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  in
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  Asia.
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  I
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  have,
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  yeah.
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  How
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  has
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  that
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  informed
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  your
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  understanding
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  of
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  the
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  philosophy?
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  It's
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  a
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  good
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  question.
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  To
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  actually
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  be
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  there
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  8,
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  18.
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  Wow.
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  Immediately
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  after
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  high
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  school.
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  That's
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  a
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  formative
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  time.
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  Yeah,
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  it
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  was.
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  It
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  was
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  a
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  form
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  of
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  time.
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  So
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  spent
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  four
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  months
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  traveling
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  through
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  Asia,
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  three
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  and
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  a
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  half
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  months,
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  India,
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  Japan
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  and
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  Nepal.
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  Nepal
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  was
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  my
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  major
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  place.
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  And
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  that
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  was
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  driven
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  in
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  large
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  part
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  by.
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  By
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  that
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  time,
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  I
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  had
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  been
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  practicing
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  for
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  already
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  two
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  years
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  Zen
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  and
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  getting
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  my
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  feet
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  kind
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  of
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  wet
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  in
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  the
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  Tibetan
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  side.
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  So
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  I
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  wasn't.
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  It
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  wasn't
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  my
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  introduction
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  to
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  the
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  traditions,
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  but
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  it
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  was
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  driven
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  by
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  my
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  understanding
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  of
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  the
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  truth
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  or
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  my
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  practice
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  of
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  the
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  traditions.
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  And
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  then
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  after
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  that,
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  I.
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  Through
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  field
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  work
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  and
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  through
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  just
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  visiting
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  again
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  and
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  again.
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  There's
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  a
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  time
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  when
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  I
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  was
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  bringing
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  back
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  paintings
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  from
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  Nepal.
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  Some
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  of
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  my
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  knowledge
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  is
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  actually
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  around,
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  like,
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  Tibetan
• 1:49
  iconography.
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  And
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  I'm
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  laughing
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  because
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  at
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  the
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  time,
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  you
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  can
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  make
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  a
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  business,
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  like
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  going
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  to
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  get
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  specific
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  pieces
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  for
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  collectors,
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  some
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  Buddhist
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  practitioners,
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  some
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  not.
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  So
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  that
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  kind
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  of
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  stuff.
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  So
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  chance
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  to
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  go
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  there
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  quite
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  a
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  bit
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  and
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  then
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  did
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  field
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  work
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  in
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  a
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  monastery
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  there
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  for
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  better
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  part
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  of
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  a
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  year.
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  And
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  then
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  after
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  that,
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  I
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  started
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  leading
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  trips.
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  So
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  leading
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  trips
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  for
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  publication
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  companies
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  or
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  other
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  organizations,
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  sometimes
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  museums,
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  people
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  that
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  wanted
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  to
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  have
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  sort
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  of
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  a
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  cultural
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  guide,
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  somebody
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  that
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  could
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  explain
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  things
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  like
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  I'm
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  explaining
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  now,
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  and
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  also
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  a
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  local
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  guide,
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  too.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  got
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  a
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  chance
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  to
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  go
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  back
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  many
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  times,
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  mostly
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  the
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  Himalayas,
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  so
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  Bhutan,
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  Tibet,
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  Nepal.
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  And
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  then
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  as
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  part
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  of
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  it,
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  you
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  always
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  loop
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  in
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  through
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  Thailand
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  and
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  Southeast
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  Asia.
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  So
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  I'm
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  very
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  familiar
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  with
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  that
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  area.
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  And
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  so
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  how
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  it
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  informed.
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  I
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  mean,
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  there's
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  a
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  tendency
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  in
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  the
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  West,
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  I
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  think,
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  to
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  be
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  a
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  bit
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  precious
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  about
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  spiritual
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  practice.
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  And
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  we
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  tend
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  to
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  pedestalize
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  it
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  in
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  some
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  ways
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  in
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  a
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  way
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  that
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  when
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  you're
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  immersed
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  in
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  it,
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  it's
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  like,
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  yeah,
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  okay,
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  it
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  is
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  precious
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  and
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  it
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  should
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  be
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  put
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  on
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  a
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  pedestal.
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  And
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  also,
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  like,
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  go
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  walk
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  around
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  the
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  stupa
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  10
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  times,
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  you
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  know,
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  for
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  merit,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  go
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  say
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  like
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  a
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  hundred
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  thousand
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  mantras
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  and
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  just
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  shut
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  up
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  and
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  do
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  it.
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  And
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  it's
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  like
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  everybody's
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  kind
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  of
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  doing
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  that.
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  And
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  so
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  it's
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  definitely
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  woven
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  into
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  society
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  quite
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  a
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  bit
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  more,
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  at
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  least
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  in
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  especially
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  Like
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  Nepal,
• 3:11
  Tibetan
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  area.
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  Yeah.
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  But
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  I
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  would
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  imagine
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  just
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  the.
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  Because
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  I
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  was
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  in
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  Taiwan
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  and
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  Japan,
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  rather
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  a
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  different
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  experience
• 3:26
  for
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  me
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  Kyoto
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  and
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  to
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  go
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  to
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  some
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  of
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  those
• 3:29
  old
• 3:29
  temples.
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  Just
• 3:31
  the
• 3:31
  odor
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  of
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  them
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  and
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  the
• 3:33
  sound
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  of
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  them,
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  but
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  also
• 3:37
  the
• 3:37
  vibe,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
• 3:38
  energy
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  field
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  of.
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  It
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  still
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  strikes
• 3:42
  me
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  as
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  interesting
• 3:45
  that
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  all
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  the
• 3:46
  Japanese
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  civil
• 3:48
  service
• 3:49
  people
• 3:49
  that
• 3:49
  are
• 3:50
  out
• 3:50
  in
• 3:50
  public
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  all
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  wear
• 3:51
  white
• 3:51
  gloves.
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  You
• 3:53
  know,
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  this
• 3:56
  idea
• 3:56
  of
• 3:57
  attending
• 3:58
  to
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  a
• 4:04
  social
• 4:04
  standard
• 4:05
  that
• 4:05
  perhaps
• 4:06
  can
• 4:06
  be
• 4:12
  maybe
• 4:12
  weighty
• 4:13
  or,
• 4:14
  you
• 4:14
  know,
• 4:14
  trying
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  to
• 4:15
  impose
• 4:15
  something.
• 4:15
  But
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  I
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  just.
• 4:18
  I
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  really
• 4:18
  appreciate
• 4:19
  it.
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  And
• 4:19
  I
• 4:19
  would
• 4:19
  go
• 4:19
  to
• 4:20
  the
• 4:20
  10
• 4:20
  temples
• 4:21
  and
• 4:21
  go
• 4:22
  to
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  Taoist
• 4:23
  temples
• 4:23
  in
• 4:23
  Taipei.
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  So
• 4:25
  it
• 4:25
  was
• 4:25
  quite
• 4:26
  interesting.
• 4:26
  So,
• 4:27
  Adam,
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  do
• 4:27
  you
• 4:27
  have
• 4:27
  anything?
• 4:29
  Yeah.
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  want
• 4:29
  to
• 4:29
  ask
• 4:30
  you
• 4:30
  on
• 4:30
  that
• 4:30
  note,
• 4:31
  as
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  were
• 4:32
  speaking,
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  had
• 4:33
  an
• 4:33
  experience
• 4:33
  when
• 4:34
  we
• 4:34
  were
• 4:34
  in
• 4:34
  China.
• 4:35
  Two
• 4:35
  experiences.
• 4:35
  One,
• 4:36
  when
• 4:36
  I
• 4:36
  first
• 4:36
  arrived,
• 4:37
  I
• 4:37
  felt
• 4:37
  like
• 4:39
  I
• 4:39
  just
• 4:39
  took
• 4:39
  off
• 4:39
  my
• 4:40
  mind
• 4:40
  and
• 4:40
  put
• 4:40
  it
• 4:41
  aside.
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  don't
• 4:41
  know
• 4:41
  if
• 4:41
  it
• 4:41
  was
• 4:41
  the
• 4:42
  cultural
• 4:42
  consciousness,
• 4:43
  it
• 4:43
  being
• 4:43
  in
• 4:43
  a
• 4:43
  different
• 4:43
  language,
• 4:45
  but
• 4:45
  I
• 4:45
  had
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  best
• 4:45
  night's
• 4:46
  sleep
• 4:46
  in
• 4:46
  my
• 4:46
  life.
• 4:46
  I
• 4:46
  felt
• 4:46
  like
• 4:47
  I
• 4:47
  slept
• 4:47
  a
• 4:47
  thousand
• 4:47
  years
• 4:47
  in
• 4:48
  one
• 4:48
  night,
• 4:49
  woke
• 4:49
  up
• 4:49
  the
• 4:49
  next
• 4:50
  day.
• 4:50
  That's
• 4:51
  one.
• 4:51
  The
• 4:52
  other
• 4:52
  was
• 4:52
  we
• 4:52
  had
• 4:53
  a
• 4:53
  long
• 4:53
  plane
• 4:54
  flight
• 4:54
  delay
• 4:54
  when
• 4:55
  we
• 4:55
  first
• 4:55
  arrived.
• 4:55
  I
• 4:55
  guess
• 4:56
  maybe
• 4:56
  because
• 4:56
  these
• 4:56
  were
• 4:57
  new,
• 4:57
  fresh
• 4:57
  experiences
• 4:58
  when
• 4:58
  we
• 4:58
  first
• 4:58
  arrived,
• 4:58
  and
• 4:59
  they
• 4:59
  stand
• 4:59
  out
• 4:59
  more.
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  But
• 5:00
  what
• 5:00
  stood
• 5:00
  out
• 5:00
  to
• 5:01
  me
• 5:01
  is
• 5:01
  in
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  plain
• 5:02
  flight.
• 5:02
  Even
• 5:02
  in
• 5:03
  mainland
• 5:03
  China,
• 5:03
  which
• 5:04
  is
• 5:04
  not
• 5:04
  known
• 5:05
  as
• 5:05
  very
• 5:05
  spiritual
• 5:06
  place,
• 5:06
  you
• 5:07
  know,
• 5:07
  they
• 5:07
  kind
• 5:07
  of
• 5:07
  had
• 5:07
  a
• 5:07
  cultural
• 5:07
  lobotomy
• 5:08
  with
• 5:08
  Mao.
• 5:09
  Oh,
• 5:09
  yeah.
• 5:10
  But
• 5:11
  I
• 5:11
  think
• 5:12
  we
• 5:12
  talked
• 5:13
  about
• 5:13
  this.
• 5:13
  Before
• 5:13
  in
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  show.
• 5:13
  Confucius
• 5:14
  and
• 5:14
  Lao
• 5:14
  Tzu
• 5:15
  and
• 5:15
  Taoism
• 5:15
  still
• 5:16
  are
• 5:16
  so
• 5:16
  ingrained
• 5:17
  in
• 5:17
  society,
• 5:18
  is
• 5:18
  deeply
• 5:19
  ingrained
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  people's
• 5:20
  lives
• 5:20
  and
• 5:20
  practice.
• 5:21
  There's
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  long
• 5:22
  way
• 5:22
  of
• 5:22
  saying
• 5:22
  that.
• 5:22
  What
• 5:22
  I
• 5:22
  remember
• 5:23
  was
• 5:23
  having
• 5:24
  this
• 5:24
  long
• 5:24
  plane
• 5:25
  delay
• 5:25
  where
• 5:25
  my
• 5:26
  wife
• 5:26
  Sonia
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  I
• 5:27
  were
• 5:27
  kind
• 5:27
  of
• 5:27
  getting
• 5:27
  a
• 5:27
  little
• 5:27
  agitated,
• 5:28
  as
• 5:28
  Westerners
• 5:29
  do.
• 5:29
  But
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  vibe
• 5:30
  on
• 5:30
  the
• 5:31
  plane
• 5:31
  was
• 5:31
  almost
• 5:31
  like
• 5:32
  pure
• 5:32
  rest
• 5:33
  and
• 5:33
  silence,
• 5:33
  like
• 5:34
  no
• 5:34
  one
• 5:34
  was
• 5:35
  getting
• 5:35
  upset.
• 5:35
  People
• 5:36
  weren't
• 5:36
  even
• 5:37
  really
• 5:37
  talking.
• 5:38
  It
• 5:38
  was
• 5:38
  like
• 5:39
  they
• 5:39
  just
• 5:39
  took
• 5:39
  that
• 5:40
  time
• 5:40
  to
• 5:41
  completely
• 5:41
  shut
• 5:42
  down
• 5:42
  and
• 5:42
  rest.
• 5:43
  So
• 5:43
  that
• 5:44
  stood
• 5:44
  out
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  me
• 5:44
  as
• 5:45
  unique,
• 5:46
  unique
• 5:46
  cultural
• 5:47
  experience
• 5:48
  that
• 5:48
  seemed
• 5:49
  like
• 5:49
  we
• 5:49
  like
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  talk
• 5:50
  about
• 5:50
  on
• 5:50
  this
• 5:50
  show,
• 5:50
  lived
• 5:51
  philosophy.
• 5:52
  It
• 5:52
  felt
• 5:52
  like
• 5:52
  Lao
• 5:53
  Tzu
• 5:53
  was
• 5:54
  in
• 5:54
  that
• 5:54
  playing
• 5:55
  tone.
• 5:55
  Everyone,
• 5:55
  now's
• 5:56
  a
• 5:56
  good
• 5:56
  time
• 5:56
  to
• 5:56
  rest.
• 5:58
  So
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  wonder
• 5:59
  if
• 5:59
  you
• 5:59
  have
• 5:59
  any
• 5:59
  similar
• 6:00
  experiences
• 6:00
  of
• 6:01
  seeing
• 6:01
  Tibetan
• 6:02
  philosophy
• 6:03
  in
• 6:03
  practice
• 6:04
  in
• 6:04
  just
• 6:04
  daily
• 6:04
  life,
• 6:05
  or
• 6:06
  Buddhist
• 6:07
  philosophy
• 6:07
  in
• 6:07
  practicing
• 6:07
  daily
• 6:08
  life
• 6:08
  on
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  ground.
• 6:10
  Yeah,
• 6:10
  a
• 6:10
  couple
• 6:11
  things
• 6:11
  come
• 6:11
  up
• 6:12
  for
• 6:12
  me
• 6:12
  based
• 6:12
  on
• 6:12
  that.
• 6:13
  Like,
• 6:13
  first,
• 6:13
  just
• 6:13
  going
• 6:13
  back
• 6:13
  to
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  Japan
• 6:15
  element,
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  Mean,
• 6:16
  I
• 6:16
  love
• 6:16
  Japan.
• 6:17
  And
• 6:18
  there's
• 6:19
  something.
• 6:19
  It's
• 6:19
  funny
• 6:19
  because
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  always
• 6:20
  want
• 6:20
  to
• 6:20
  horn
• 6:20
  people
• 6:21
  that
• 6:21
  are.
• 6:21
  That
• 6:21
  have
• 6:22
  been
• 6:22
  to
• 6:22
  Japan
• 6:22
  and
• 6:23
  have
• 6:23
  studied
• 6:23
  Zen
• 6:23
  and
• 6:24
  they
• 6:24
  come
• 6:24
  to
• 6:24
  the
• 6:24
  Himalayas.
• 6:25
  I'm
• 6:25
  like,
• 6:25
  you're
• 6:26
  not.
• 6:26
  You're
• 6:26
  not
• 6:27
  gonna
• 6:27
  get
• 6:27
  the
• 6:27
  Zen
• 6:28
  temple.
• 6:29
  Like,
• 6:29
  it's
• 6:29
  very
• 6:29
  different,
• 6:29
  right?
• 6:30
  It's
• 6:30
  very
• 6:30
  loud.
• 6:30
  There
• 6:31
  could
• 6:31
  be
• 6:31
  chanting.
• 6:31
  You
• 6:32
  know,
• 6:32
  you
• 6:32
  do
• 6:32
  so
• 6:32
  oftentimes
• 6:33
  wear
• 6:33
  your
• 6:33
  shoes.
• 6:34
  There
• 6:34
  could
• 6:34
  be,
• 6:34
  like,
• 6:34
  butter
• 6:35
  from
• 6:35
  butter
• 6:35
  lamps
• 6:35
  on
• 6:35
  the
• 6:36
  ground.
• 6:36
  I've
• 6:37
  even
• 6:37
  seen,
• 6:37
  like,
• 6:37
  cows
• 6:38
  walk
• 6:38
  through
• 6:38
  in.
• 6:39
  In
• 6:40
  Serpu
• 6:40
  and
• 6:40
  places
• 6:41
  like
• 6:41
  that.
• 6:41
  Like,
• 6:41
  you
• 6:42
  just
• 6:42
  don't
• 6:42
  know
• 6:42
  what
• 6:42
  you're
• 6:42
  gonna
• 6:42
  get.
• 6:43
  So
• 6:43
  it's
• 6:43
  very
• 6:43
  different
• 6:44
  in
• 6:44
  that
• 6:44
  way.
• 6:45
  And
• 6:45
  I
• 6:45
  think,
• 6:45
  like,
• 6:45
  for
• 6:45
  whatever
• 6:46
  reason,
• 6:47
  I
• 6:47
  love
• 6:48
  the
• 6:48
  Japanese
• 6:49
  aesthetic
• 6:49
  and
• 6:49
  feel
• 6:50
  is
• 6:51
  truly
• 6:51
  something
• 6:52
  magical.
• 6:52
  I
• 6:52
  always
• 6:53
  tell
• 6:53
  people,
• 6:53
  it's
• 6:53
  like.
• 6:53
  It
• 6:53
  reminds
• 6:54
  me
• 6:54
  of,
• 6:54
  like,
• 6:54
  the
• 6:54
  Florence
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  Asia.
• 6:57
  They
• 6:58
  took
• 6:58
  this.
• 6:58
  All
• 6:59
  these
• 6:59
  aesthetics
• 6:59
  and
• 6:59
  the
• 6:59
  practices
• 7:00
  and
• 7:00
  sort
• 7:00
  of
• 7:00
  heightened
• 7:01
  them
• 7:01
  and
• 7:01
  narrowed
• 7:01
  them
• 7:02
  in
• 7:02
  focus.
• 7:02
  And
• 7:02
  so
• 7:02
  that's
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  version
• 7:04
  that
• 7:04
  you
• 7:04
  get
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  Japan.
• 7:05
  But
• 7:06
  going
• 7:06
  to
• 7:06
  your
• 7:06
  point,
• 7:06
  Adam,
• 7:07
  it's
• 7:07
  bringing
• 7:07
  up
• 7:07
  this
• 7:07
  concept,
• 7:08
  this
• 7:09
  quote
• 7:09
  from
• 7:09
  Milarepa,
• 7:10
  who
• 7:10
  is
• 7:10
  a
• 7:10
  famous
• 7:11
  Tibetan
• 7:12
  practitioner
• 7:12
  in
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  11th
• 7:12
  century.
• 7:13
  Century.
• 7:13
  And
• 7:13
  he
• 7:13
  said
• 7:13
  that
• 7:14
  leaving
• 7:14
  home
• 7:14
  is
• 7:14
  half
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  dharma.
• 7:16
  And
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  idea
• 7:18
  is
• 7:18
  that
• 7:18
  if
• 7:18
  you
• 7:19
  are
• 7:19
  willing
• 7:19
  to,
• 7:20
  like,
• 7:20
  leave
• 7:20
  your
• 7:20
  attachments
• 7:21
  and
• 7:21
  leave.
• 7:22
  Get
• 7:22
  out
• 7:22
  of
• 7:22
  your
• 7:22
  comfort
• 7:23
  zone,
• 7:23
  essentially,
• 7:24
  you
• 7:24
  automatically
• 7:25
  shift
• 7:26
  your
• 7:26
  perspective
• 7:26
  quite
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  bit.
• 7:27
  And
• 7:27
  so
• 7:28
  I
• 7:28
  think
• 7:28
  that
• 7:28
  there
• 7:28
  is
• 7:28
  a
• 7:29
  felt
• 7:29
  sense,
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  lived
• 7:30
  sense
• 7:30
  of
• 7:30
  philosophy
• 7:32
  in
• 7:32
  certain
• 7:33
  elements
• 7:33
  of
• 7:33
  Asia,
• 7:33
  definitely.
• 7:34
  And
• 7:34
  at
• 7:35
  the
• 7:35
  same
• 7:35
  time,
• 7:35
  like,
• 7:36
  just
• 7:36
  getting
• 7:36
  out
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  your
• 7:37
  comfort
• 7:37
  zone,
• 7:37
  leaving
• 7:38
  home,
• 7:38
  you've
• 7:38
  already
• 7:38
  accomplished
• 7:39
  half.
• 7:39
  Right.
• 7:40
  So
• 7:40
  I
• 7:40
  think
• 7:40
  that's
• 7:41
  an
• 7:41
  element,
• 7:41
  like
• 7:41
  when
• 7:41
  you
• 7:42
  say,
• 7:42
  take
• 7:42
  off
• 7:42
  my
• 7:42
  mind
• 7:42
  and
• 7:43
  that
• 7:43
  sort
• 7:43
  of
• 7:44
  thing.
• 7:45
  But,
• 7:45
  yeah,
• 7:46
  from
• 7:46
  a.
• 7:47
  From
• 7:48
  a
• 7:48
  lived
• 7:48
  experience.
• 7:49
  There
• 7:49
  is
• 7:50
  the
• 7:50
  thing
• 7:50
  in
• 7:51
  Tibetan
• 7:51
  culture
• 7:51
  that
• 7:51
  I
• 7:52
  think
• 7:52
  is
• 7:52
  most
• 7:52
  striking
• 7:53
  and
• 7:53
  maybe
• 7:54
  not
• 7:54
  as
• 7:54
  obvious
• 7:54
  until
• 7:55
  you've
• 7:55
  spent
• 7:55
  some
• 7:55
  time
• 7:55
  there
• 7:56
  is
• 7:57
  the
• 7:57
  absolute
• 7:57
  respect
• 7:58
  that
• 7:58
  people
• 7:58
  have
• 7:59
  for
• 7:59
  serious
• 8:00
  religious
• 8:00
  practitioners,
• 8:01
  not
• 8:01
  just
• 8:01
  for
• 8:02
  monks.
• 8:02
  Like,
• 8:02
  they
• 8:02
  have
• 8:02
  respect
• 8:03
  for
• 8:03
  monks
• 8:03
  and
• 8:03
  stuff
• 8:04
  in
• 8:04
  different
• 8:04
  cultures
• 8:04
  and
• 8:05
  all
• 8:05
  that.
• 8:05
  But
• 8:05
  in
• 8:05
  Tibet,
• 8:06
  there's
• 8:07
  a
• 8:07
  notion
• 8:07
  that
• 8:07
  whether
• 8:08
  you're
• 8:08
  a
• 8:08
  monk
• 8:08
  or
• 8:08
  not,
• 8:08
  if
• 8:09
  you're
• 8:09
  a
• 8:09
  serious
• 8:09
  practitioner,
• 8:10
  you're
• 8:10
  sort
• 8:11
  of
• 8:11
  regarded
• 8:11
  in
• 8:11
  the
• 8:12
  same
• 8:12
  way
• 8:12
  that
• 8:12
  we
• 8:12
  would
• 8:12
  regard,
• 8:13
  like,
• 8:13
  a
• 8:14
  professor
• 8:14
  or
• 8:15
  maybe
• 8:16
  not
• 8:16
  a
• 8:16
  professor,
• 8:16
  maybe
• 8:16
  like
• 8:17
  an
• 8:17
  astronaut.
• 8:18
  Right.
• 8:18
  Really,
• 8:19
  people
• 8:19
  are
• 8:19
  really
• 8:20
  put
• 8:20
  on
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  pedestal
• 8:20
  because
• 8:20
  they're
• 8:21
  recognized
• 8:21
  as,
• 8:22
  like,
• 8:22
  doing
• 8:22
  deep
• 8:23
  exploration.
• 8:23
  That's
• 8:24
  good
• 8:24
  for
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  benefit
• 8:25
  of
• 8:25
  humanity,
• 8:25
  good
• 8:26
  for
• 8:26
  the
• 8:26
  benefit
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  something
• 8:26
  that
• 8:27
  we
• 8:27
  don't
• 8:27
  really
• 8:27
  have
• 8:28
  in
• 8:28
  the
• 8:28
  west.
• 8:28
  That
• 8:28
  I
• 8:28
  find.
• 8:29
  Yep,
• 8:30
  yep.
• 8:30
  Well,
• 8:31
  and
• 8:31
  we're
• 8:31
  coming
• 8:31
  to
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  end
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  show,
• 8:33
  so
• 8:33
  one
• 8:33
  of
• 8:33
  the
• 8:34
  questions
• 8:34
  that
• 8:34
  I
• 8:34
  would
• 8:35
  like
• 8:35
  to
• 8:35
  ask
• 8:35
  people
• 8:36
  is
• 8:38
  if
• 8:39
  there
• 8:39
  was
• 8:39
  one
• 8:39
  thing
• 8:40
  that
• 8:40
  you
• 8:40
  would
• 8:40
  want
• 8:40
  people
• 8:41
  to
• 8:41
  know,
• 8:41
  particularly
• 8:42
  in
• 8:42
  these
• 8:42
  times
• 8:43
  of
• 8:44
  the
• 8:44
  current
• 8:44
  administration
• 8:45
  in
• 8:47
  September
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  2025,
• 8:51
  what
• 8:51
  would
• 8:51
  that.
• 8:56
  I
• 8:56
  think
• 8:57
  everything
• 8:57
  is
• 8:57
  going
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  be
• 8:57
  all
• 8:58
  right.
• 9:01
  Do
• 9:01
  the
• 9:01
  best
• 9:01
  that
• 9:01
  you
• 9:02
  can
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  stay
• 9:03
  present
• 9:03
  and
• 9:04
  dancing
• 9:04
  in
• 9:04
  the
• 9:04
  moment
• 9:05
  as
• 9:05
  much
• 9:05
  as
• 9:05
  you
• 9:06
  can.
• 9:06
  And
• 9:06
  the
• 9:07
  more
• 9:07
  that
• 9:07
  you
• 9:07
  do
• 9:07
  that,
• 9:07
  the
• 9:08
  more
• 9:08
  aligned
• 9:08
  you'll
• 9:09
  be
• 9:09
  with
• 9:09
  your
• 9:09
  true
• 9:10
  self.
• 9:11
  And
• 9:11
  that
• 9:12
  just
• 9:12
  makes
• 9:12
  things
• 9:12
  flow
• 9:13
  more
• 9:13
  smoothly.
• 9:14
  Would
• 9:14
  be
• 9:14
  my
• 9:14
  advice
• 9:15
  from
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  general
• 9:16
  perspective.
• 9:16
  Is
• 9:17
  there
• 9:17
  like
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  meditative
• 9:19
  practice.
• 9:22
  Yeah.
• 9:22
  That
• 9:22
  you
• 9:22
  recommend
• 9:24
  and
• 9:24
  Zogchen.
• 9:25
  No,
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  recommend
• 9:26
  seek
• 9:26
  out.
• 9:26
  If
• 9:27
  you're
• 9:27
  interested
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  meditative
• 9:28
  practice,
• 9:28
  find
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  good
• 9:29
  teacher.
• 9:31
  Okay.
• 9:32
  And
• 9:32
  how.
• 9:33
  Coach.
• 9:33
  How
• 9:33
  would
• 9:34
  coach
• 9:35
  us
• 9:35
  about
• 9:36
  coaching?
• 9:36
  How
• 9:36
  would
• 9:37
  we
• 9:37
  do
• 9:37
  that?
• 9:39
  You
• 9:39
  know,
• 9:39
  how
• 9:40
  do
• 9:40
  we
• 9:40
  know
• 9:40
  what
• 9:40
  fits?
• 9:41
  You
• 9:41
  know?
• 9:42
  Yeah.
• 9:42
  They
• 9:42
  say
• 9:43
  you
• 9:43
  have
• 9:43
  to.
• 9:43
  In
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  Tibetan
• 9:44
  tradition,
• 9:44
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• 9:44
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• 9:45
  analyze
• 9:45
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• 9:45
  teacher
• 9:46
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• 9:46
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• 9:46
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• 9:46
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• 9:46
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• 9:47
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• 9:47
  as
• 9:47
  a
• 9:47
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• 9:48
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• 9:48
  your
• 9:48
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• 9:48
  teacher.
• 9:48
  Oh,
• 9:49
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• 9:49
  I
• 9:49
  think
• 9:50
  that's
• 9:50
  good.
• 9:50
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• 9:50
  take
• 9:50
  teachings,
• 9:51
  go
• 9:51
  out,
• 9:52
  cast
• 9:52
  your
• 9:52
  net
• 9:53
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• 9:54
  But
• 9:54
  I
• 9:54
  gotta
• 9:54
  tell
• 9:55
  you,
• 9:56
  in
• 9:56
  my
• 9:56
  experience,
• 9:56
  the
• 9:57
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• 9:57
  way
• 9:57
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• 9:57
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• 9:58
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• 9:58
  good
• 9:58
  teacher
• 9:58
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• 9:58
  to
• 9:58
  see.
• 9:59
  To
• 9:59
  look
• 9:59
  around
• 9:59
  and
• 10:00
  see
• 10:00
  who
• 10:02
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• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  up
• 10:02
  in
• 10:02
  an
• 10:02
  intuitive
• 10:03
  sense.
• 10:05
  When
• 10:05
  the
• 10:05
  student
• 10:05
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• 10:06
  ready,
• 10:06
  then
• 10:06
  that
• 10:07
  teacher
• 10:07
  does
• 10:07
  appear.
• 10:08
  Yeah.
• 10:09
  I've
• 10:09
  had
• 10:09
  so
• 10:10
  much
• 10:10
  fun
• 10:10
  with
• 10:11
  my
• 10:11
  students
• 10:11
  here
• 10:11
  at
• 10:12
  Sonoma
• 10:12
  State.
• 10:13
  When
• 10:13
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• 10:14
  is
• 10:14
  a
• 10:14
  connection
• 10:15
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• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  lights
• 10:15
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• 10:16
  on
• 10:16
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• 10:16
  then
• 10:16
  it's
• 10:17
  just.
• 10:18
  And
• 10:18
  I'm.
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  think,
• 10:19
  Adam,
• 10:19
  you've
• 10:19
  had
• 10:19
  that
• 10:20
  same
• 10:20
  experience.
• 10:21
  Yeah.
• 10:22
  So
• 10:23
  before
• 10:23
  we're
• 10:23
  done,
• 10:24
  Adam,
• 10:24
  is
• 10:24
  there
• 10:24
  anything
• 10:24
  that
• 10:24
  you
• 10:25
  have.
• 10:25
  No.
• 10:26
  That
• 10:26
  was
• 10:26
  a
• 10:26
  great
• 10:27
  ending.
• 10:27
  Well
• 10:27
  said.
• 10:28
  Okay,
• 10:29
  well,
• 10:29
  I'm
• 10:29
  Anthony
• 10:30
  Wright
• 10:30
  and
• 10:31
  I'm
• 10:31
  your
• 10:31
  host
• 10:31
  today
• 10:32
  on
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  Living
• 10:33
  Conversation
• 10:34
  and
• 10:34
  attunement
• 10:36
  with
• 10:36
  my
• 10:37
  co
• 10:37
  host.
• 10:39
  And
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  can
• 10:40
  contact
• 10:40
  me@theonaut.com
• 10:43
  that's
• 10:44
  T
• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:44
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:45
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• 10:46
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• 10:46
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• 10:46
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• 10:47
  but
• 10:47
  I'm
• 10:47
  a
• 10:47
  theonaut.com
• 10:49
  and
• 10:49
  how
• 10:49
  can
• 10:49
  people
• 10:50
  contact
• 10:50
  you,
• 10:50
  Adam?
• 10:51
  Yeah,
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  guess
• 10:51
  I
• 10:51
  would
• 10:52
  like
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  say
• 10:52
  a
• 10:52
  little
• 10:52
  something
• 10:53
  about
• 10:53
  just
• 10:53
  me,
• 10:54
  you
• 10:54
  know,
• 10:54
  if
• 10:54
  you're
• 10:54
  liking
• 10:55
  what
• 10:55
  we're
• 10:55
  doing
• 10:55
  here,
• 10:56
  please
• 10:56
  like
• 10:57
  subscribe,
• 10:58
  share
• 10:59
  comment.
• 10:59
  Obviously
• 11:00
  comment
• 11:00
  is
• 11:00
  really
• 11:00
  important.
• 11:01
  I
• 11:01
  think
• 11:01
  we
• 11:01
  may
• 11:01
  do
• 11:01
  a
• 11:02
  mailbag
• 11:02
  type
• 11:03
  of
• 11:03
  segment
• 11:03
  soon.
• 11:04
  Comments
• 11:04
  are
• 11:04
  kind
• 11:04
  of
• 11:04
  accumulating
• 11:05
  that
• 11:05
  we
• 11:05
  can
• 11:06
  use
• 11:06
  on
• 11:07
  the
• 11:07
  show
• 11:08
  so
• 11:08
  you
• 11:08
  can
• 11:08
  look
• 11:08
  us
• 11:08
  up
• 11:09
  on
• 11:09
  YouTube.
• 11:09
  That's
• 11:10
  a
• 11:10
  big
• 11:10
  place
• 11:10
  for
• 11:10
  us,
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  living
• 11:11
  conversations
• 11:12
  on
• 11:12
  there.
• 11:13
  But
• 11:13
  yes,
• 11:14
  all
• 11:14
  my
• 11:14
  links
• 11:14
  are
• 11:14
  on
• 11:15
  substackewaybetweenubstack.com
• 11:17
  and
• 11:18
  you
• 11:18
  can
• 11:18
  contact
• 11:18
  me
• 11:18
  directly@dietsadammail.com.
• 11:21
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• 11:21
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• 11:21
  e
• 11:21
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• 11:21
  Z
• 11:22
  and
• 11:23
  Nick,
• 11:23
  thank
• 11:23
  you
• 11:23
  so
• 11:23
  much
• 11:24
  for
• 11:24
  being
• 11:24
  with
• 11:24
  us.
• 11:24
  How
• 11:25
  can
• 11:25
  people
• 11:25
  contact
• 11:25
  you?
• 11:26
  Yeah,
• 11:27
  it's
• 11:27
  been
• 11:27
  a
• 11:27
  pleasure.
• 11:27
  I
• 11:28
  really
• 11:28
  appreciate
• 11:28
  the
• 11:28
  time.
• 11:29
  You
• 11:29
  can
• 11:29
  find
• 11:29
  me
• 11:29
  on
• 11:29
  LinkedIn.
• 11:30
  It's
• 11:30
  the
• 11:30
  easiest
• 11:30
  way.
• 11:31
  Or
• 11:31
  you
• 11:31
  can
• 11:31
  get
• 11:31
  in
• 11:31
  touch
• 11:32
  with
• 11:32
  me
• 11:32
  on
• 11:32
  my
• 11:33
  personal
• 11:33
  website,
• 11:33
  which
• 11:34
  is
• 11:34
  nickeganphd.com
• 11:36
  or
• 11:36
  my
• 11:37
  leadership
• 11:38
  development
• 11:38
  and
• 11:39
  executive
• 11:39
  coaching
• 11:39
  company
• 11:40
  is
• 11:40
  Shift
• 11:41
  Leadership
• 11:42
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• 11:43
  Great.
• 11:43
  So
• 11:43
  thank
• 11:44
  you
• 11:44
  for
• 11:44
  being
• 11:44
  with
• 11:44
  us.
• 11:45
  And
• 11:45
  I'm
• 11:45
  Anthony
• 11:45
  Wright
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  I
• 11:47
  am.