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Deschooling with Helen Royston · Home Education Matters

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  Welcome
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  Home
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  weekly
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  you
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  your
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  home
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  education
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  journey.
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  Hello,
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  and
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  welcome
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  to
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  another
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  episode
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  of
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  Home
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  Education
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  Matters.
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  And
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  today
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  is
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  a
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  really
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  fundamental
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  concept
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  in
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  home
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  ed
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  that
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  I
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  cannot
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  quite
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  believe
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  that
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  I
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  haven't
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  done
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  a
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  podcast
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  on
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  before,
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  because
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  this
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  key
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  concept
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  in
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  home
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  education
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  is
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  designed
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  to
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  help
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  with
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  those
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  early
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  days
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  when
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  you've
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  taken
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  your
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  child
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  out
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  of
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  school,
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  you've
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  thrown
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  the
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  deregistration
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  letter
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  at
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  the
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  receptionist,
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  or,
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  I
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  don't
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  know,
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  maybe
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  done
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  it
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  nicer
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  than
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  that.
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  And
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  you
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  go
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  home
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  and
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  you
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  are
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  exuberant
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  and
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  enthusiastic,
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  or
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  maybe
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  you're
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  trepidatious
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  and
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  anxious,
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  whatever
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  the
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  general
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  vibe
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  of
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  the
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  house
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  is.
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  And
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  then
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  you.
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  You
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  start
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  home
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  educating.
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  The
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  days
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  turn
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  into
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  the
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  weeks,
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  turn
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  into
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  the
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  months,
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  and
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  it's
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  just
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  not
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  quite
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  working,
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  and
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  you
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  don't
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  know
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  what's
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  going
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  wrong.
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  And
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  maybe
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  you
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  feel
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  like
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  you're
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  replicating
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  school,
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  maybe
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  you're
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  getting
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  pushback,
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  Maybe
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  there's
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  no
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  inherent
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  love
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  of
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  learning.
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  And
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  this
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  happens
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  a
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  lot,
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  and
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  I
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  hear
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  this
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  a
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  lot
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  from
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  people
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  who
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  take
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  their
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  child
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  out
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  of
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  school.
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  And
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  today's
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  podcast
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  is
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  all
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  about
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  trying
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  to
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  give
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  you
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  a
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  kind
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  of
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  route
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  out
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  of
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  those
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  early
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  pains
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  of
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  home
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  education,
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  because
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  the
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  core
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  concept
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  is
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  deschooling.
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  Yes,
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  it
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  is
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  our
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  deschooling
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  podcast.
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  And.
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  And
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  I
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  have
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  tried
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  to
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  do
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  this
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  podcast
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  on
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  a
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  number
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  of
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  occasions
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  in
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  the
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  past,
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  and
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  I've
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  lined
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  up
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  people
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  to
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  come
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  on,
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  and
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  it
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  hasn't
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  worked,
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  or
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  the
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  people
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  drop
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  out,
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  or
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  I
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  haven't
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  been
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  able
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  to
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  do
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  it.
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  And
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  something
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  has
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  always
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  got
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  in
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  the
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  way
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  of
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  my
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  desk
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  on
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  podcast.
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  And
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  so
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  I'm
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  really,
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  really
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  chuffed
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  to
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  be
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  doing
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  this
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  podcast
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  today
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  because
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  it
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  feels
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  like
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  it's
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  been.
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  It's.
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  It
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  feels
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  like
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  it's
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  been
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  like.
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  It's
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  like
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  I've
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  been
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  a
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  chicken
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  on
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  an
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  egg,
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  like,
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  hatching
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  this
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  podcast
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time.
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  So
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  I
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  am
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  joined
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  today
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  by
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  Helen
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  Royston,
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  who
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  you
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  may
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  well
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  remember.
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  You
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  will
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  recognize
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  her
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  voice,
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  I'm
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  sure,
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  from
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  one
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  of
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  our
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  earliest,
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  in
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  fact,
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  the
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  earliest
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  podcast.
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  It
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  was
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  the
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  second
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  podcast.
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  It
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  was
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  actually
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  the
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  very
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  first
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  one
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  that
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  I
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  recorded,
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  and
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  it
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  was
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  all
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  about
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  home
• 2:04
  education.
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  It
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  was
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  like,
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  this
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  is
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  your,
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  like,
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  nuts
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  and
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  bolts,
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  early
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  days
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  home
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  education.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  thought
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  I'd
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  bring
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  Helen
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  back
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  on
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  today
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  deschooling.
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  Helen,
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  coming
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  on
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  the
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  podcast
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  Again.
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  Do
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  let
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  any
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  listeners
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  know
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  who
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  maybe
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  haven't
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  listened
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  to
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  that
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  first
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  podcast,
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  and
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  I
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  would
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  recommend
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  you
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  do,
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  because
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  it
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  is
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  one
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  of
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  my
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  favorites,
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  but
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  do
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  let
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  our
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  listeners
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  know
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  a
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  little
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  bit
• 2:23
  about
• 2:23
  your
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  home
• 2:24
  education
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  journey
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  because
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  you
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  are
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  a,
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  what
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  I
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  like
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  to
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  call
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  a
• 2:27
  doyen
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  of
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  home
• 2:28
  education.
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  Oh,
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  thank
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  you.
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  Thank
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  you
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  for
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  having
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  me
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  back
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  as
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  well.
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  It's
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  really
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  nice
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  to
• 2:34
  be
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  here.
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  So,
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  yes,
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  about
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  me.
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  I
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  started
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  home
• 2:38
  educating,
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  gosh,
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  way
• 2:40
  back
• 2:40
  in
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  1992,
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  I
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  think
• 2:45
  I've
• 2:45
  got
• 2:45
  three
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  children
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  and
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  big
• 2:48
  age
• 2:48
  ranges.
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  So
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  it
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  started
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  when
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  my
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  son,
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  my
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  eldest
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  came
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  out,
• 2:52
  took
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  him
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  out
• 2:53
  of
• 2:53
  school
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  when
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  he
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  was
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  seven,
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  going
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  on
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  eight
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  and
• 2:58
  he
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  was
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  home
• 2:59
  educated
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  until
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  he
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  was
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  16
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  and
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  then
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  my
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  younger
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  two
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  were
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  home
• 3:03
  educated
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  all
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  the
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  way
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  through
• 3:05
  from,
• 3:06
  from
• 3:07
  the
• 3:07
  beginning
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  until
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  one
• 3:09
  went
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  to
• 3:10
  college
• 3:10
  at
• 3:10
  16
• 3:10
  and
• 3:11
  the
• 3:11
  other
• 3:11
  was
• 3:11
  17
• 3:11
  when
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  they
• 3:12
  went
• 3:12
  to
• 3:12
  college.
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  So
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  all
• 3:14
  in
• 3:14
  all,
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  it
• 3:14
  was
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  30
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  years
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  of
• 3:16
  a
• 3:17
  span
• 3:17
  of
• 3:18
  home
• 3:18
  educating.
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  That's
• 3:20
  a
• 3:20
  lot
• 3:20
  of
• 3:21
  home
• 3:21
  educating.
• 3:22
  It
• 3:23
  is
• 3:23
  a
• 3:23
  lot
• 3:23
  of
• 3:23
  home
• 3:23
  educating.
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  But
• 3:24
  I
• 3:25
  think
• 3:25
  by
• 3:25
  the
• 3:25
  time
• 3:25
  the
• 3:26
  younger
• 3:26
  two
• 3:26
  came
• 3:26
  around,
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  it
• 3:27
  was
• 3:27
  definitely
• 3:28
  much
• 3:28
  more
• 3:29
  of
• 3:29
  a
• 3:29
  way.
• 3:30
  It
• 3:30
  becomes
• 3:31
  a
• 3:31
  way
• 3:31
  of
• 3:31
  life,
• 3:32
  I
• 3:32
  think,
• 3:32
  really.
• 3:33
  So
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  I
• 3:35
  think
• 3:35
  it
• 3:35
  flowed
• 3:36
  a
• 3:36
  lot
• 3:37
  better
• 3:37
  with
• 3:38
  the
• 3:38
  younger
• 3:38
  ones.
• 3:39
  And
• 3:40
  my
• 3:40
  old
• 3:40
  one
• 3:40
  had
• 3:41
  already
• 3:41
  finished
• 3:42
  home
• 3:42
  educating
• 3:42
  and
• 3:43
  gone
• 3:43
  on
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  college.
• 3:43
  And
• 3:44
  so
• 3:45
  it
• 3:45
  was
• 3:47
  fewer
• 3:47
  worries,
• 3:48
  if
• 3:49
  you
• 3:49
  like.
• 3:49
  Different
• 3:49
  worries,
• 3:50
  different
• 3:51
  concerns,
• 3:52
  different
• 3:53
  challenges.
• 3:55
  Not
• 3:56
  least
• 3:56
  because
• 3:57
  I
• 3:58
  educated
• 3:58
  one
• 3:59
  child
• 3:59
  and
• 4:00
  then
• 4:00
  I
• 4:00
  had
• 4:00
  two
• 4:01
  children
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  home
• 4:02
  educate
• 4:02
  and
• 4:02
  that
• 4:03
  juggle
• 4:03
  was
• 4:03
  different.
• 4:04
  That
• 4:04
  was
• 4:04
  definitely
• 4:05
  one
• 4:05
  of
• 4:05
  the
• 4:05
  main
• 4:05
  challenges
• 4:06
  there.
• 4:07
  It
• 4:07
  is
• 4:07
  really
• 4:08
  different,
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  think
• 4:08
  home
• 4:08
  educating
• 4:09
  one
• 4:09
  versus
• 4:10
  home
• 4:10
  educating
• 4:11
  two
• 4:11
  plus
• 4:13
  because
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  know
• 4:13
  that
• 4:14
  my
• 4:14
  two
• 4:14
  are
• 4:14
  very
• 4:14
  close
• 4:15
  in
• 4:15
  age.
• 4:15
  And
• 4:15
  so
• 4:15
  it's
• 4:15
  always
• 4:16
  been
• 4:16
  the
• 4:16
  two
• 4:16
  of
• 4:16
  them
• 4:16
  home
• 4:17
  educating.
• 4:17
  And
• 4:19
  it's
• 4:19
  a
• 4:19
  different
• 4:19
  kind
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  vibe.
• 4:20
  It's
• 4:20
  quite
• 4:21
  nice.
• 4:21
  It's
• 4:22
  not
• 4:22
  always
• 4:22
  a
• 4:22
  bad
• 4:22
  thing,
• 4:23
  but
• 4:23
  it
• 4:23
  is
• 4:23
  a
• 4:23
  different
• 4:23
  thing.
• 4:24
  But
• 4:24
  anyway,
• 4:24
  so
• 4:25
  talk
• 4:25
  to
• 4:25
  us
• 4:25
  then
• 4:25
  about
• 4:26
  the
• 4:26
  concept
• 4:26
  of
• 4:27
  deschooling
• 4:27
  because
• 4:27
  I
• 4:28
  tell
• 4:28
  you
• 4:28
  one
• 4:28
  thing,
• 4:28
  when
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  first
• 4:29
  started
• 4:29
  homeschooling,
• 4:30
  home
• 4:31
  education,
• 4:32
  early
• 4:32
  on
• 4:32
  I
• 4:33
  would
• 4:33
  hear
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  term
• 4:33
  unschooling
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  deschooling
• 4:35
  and
• 4:35
  get
• 4:35
  really
• 4:35
  confused.
• 4:36
  So
• 4:36
  talk
• 4:37
  to
• 4:37
  us
• 4:37
  about
• 4:38
  what
• 4:38
  deschooling
• 4:39
  is
• 4:39
  and
• 4:39
  how
• 4:39
  it's
• 4:40
  different
• 4:40
  to
• 4:40
  unschooling.
• 4:42
  So
• 4:42
  deschooling
• 4:43
  is
• 4:44
  kind
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  like
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  process
• 4:46
  of
• 4:47
  rethinking
• 4:48
  education.
• 4:49
  And
• 4:50
  for
• 4:51
  children
• 4:51
  who
• 4:52
  have
• 4:52
  been
• 4:52
  in
• 4:52
  school,
• 4:53
  some
• 4:54
  of
• 4:54
  that
• 4:54
  will
• 4:55
  be
• 4:56
  recovery,
• 4:57
  especially
• 4:58
  if
• 4:58
  they've
• 4:58
  had
• 4:58
  a
• 4:59
  really
• 4:59
  tough
• 4:59
  time,
• 4:59
  if
• 5:00
  they've
• 5:00
  got
• 5:00
  any
• 5:00
  school
• 5:00
  trauma,
• 5:01
  they
• 5:02
  need
• 5:02
  that
• 5:02
  process
• 5:04
  of.
• 5:04
  They
• 5:04
  might
• 5:04
  need
• 5:05
  that
• 5:05
  process
• 5:05
  of
• 5:05
  deschooling
• 5:06
  to
• 5:06
  help
• 5:06
  them
• 5:07
  rediscover
• 5:08
  a
• 5:08
  love
• 5:08
  of
• 5:09
  learning
• 5:09
  and
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  get
• 5:10
  over
• 5:11
  any
• 5:12
  trauma
• 5:12
  they've
• 5:12
  experienced.
• 5:13
  It
• 5:13
  might
• 5:14
  be
• 5:14
  a
• 5:14
  period
• 5:14
  of
• 5:14
  time
• 5:15
  where
• 5:15
  they
• 5:15
  need
• 5:15
  to,
• 5:16
  you
• 5:16
  know,
• 5:17
  concentrate
• 5:17
  on
• 5:18
  mental
• 5:18
  health
• 5:18
  and
• 5:19
  well
• 5:19
  being
• 5:21
  and
• 5:21
  it's
• 5:21
  the
• 5:22
  time
• 5:22
  when
• 5:22
  you
• 5:23
  reestablish
• 5:23
  yourselves,
• 5:24
  you're
• 5:24
  already
• 5:24
  established
• 5:25
  as
• 5:25
  a
• 5:25
  family,
• 5:26
  obviously.
• 5:27
  But
• 5:29
  when
• 5:29
  you've
• 5:29
  got
• 5:30
  somebody
• 5:31
  who's
• 5:31
  out
• 5:31
  of
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  house
• 5:31
  six
• 5:32
  hours
• 5:32
  a
• 5:32
  day
• 5:33
  and
• 5:34
  then
• 5:34
  suddenly
• 5:34
  they're
• 5:34
  at
• 5:35
  home
• 5:35
  all
• 5:35
  day,
• 5:36
  the
• 5:37
  dynamic
• 5:37
  changes
• 5:38
  and
• 5:39
  you've
• 5:39
  got
• 5:39
  to
• 5:39
  re.
• 5:40
  Establish
• 5:40
  that
• 5:41
  dynamic
• 5:41
  in
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  different
• 5:42
  way,
• 5:43
  really.
• 5:44
  So
• 5:44
  it's
• 5:44
  a
• 5:44
  kind
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  a
• 5:45
  period
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  adjustment.
• 5:46
  And
• 5:46
  it's
• 5:47
  not
• 5:47
  just
• 5:47
  children
• 5:47
  that
• 5:48
  need
• 5:48
  to
• 5:48
  deschool.
• 5:49
  I
• 5:50
  think
• 5:50
  parents
• 5:50
  need
• 5:51
  to
• 5:51
  de
• 5:51
  school
• 5:52
  just
• 5:52
  as
• 5:52
  much,
• 5:53
  if
• 5:53
  not
• 5:53
  more
• 5:53
  so
• 5:53
  than
• 5:54
  children.
• 5:55
  And
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  think
• 5:56
  it's
• 5:56
  an
• 5:56
  ongoing
• 5:57
  journey.
• 5:58
  I
• 5:58
  wouldn't
• 5:59
  say
• 5:59
  that
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  am
• 5:59
  fully.
• 5:59
  Deschooled
• 6:00
  even
• 6:00
  yet
• 6:02
  after
• 6:02
  30
• 6:02
  years.
• 6:03
  Yeah.
• 6:03
  Yeah,
• 6:04
  definitely.
• 6:04
  Yeah.
• 6:05
  Wow.
• 6:05
  Okay,
• 6:06
  so
• 6:06
  that's.
• 6:07
  That's
• 6:07
  really
• 6:08
  interesting
• 6:08
  because
• 6:09
  one
• 6:09
  question
• 6:09
  I
• 6:10
  have
• 6:10
  for
• 6:10
  you
• 6:10
  then
• 6:10
  is
• 6:11
  because
• 6:11
  obviously
• 6:11
  you've
• 6:12
  been
• 6:12
  home
• 6:12
  educating
• 6:12
  for
• 6:13
  30
• 6:13
  years,
• 6:14
  your
• 6:14
  child
• 6:15
  was
• 6:15
  in
• 6:15
  school
• 6:16
  for
• 6:16
  how
• 6:16
  long
• 6:16
  before
• 6:17
  you
• 6:17
  home
• 6:17
  educated?
• 6:18
  The
• 6:18
  first
• 6:19
  three.
• 6:19
  Three
• 6:19
  years.
• 6:20
  Three
• 6:20
  years.
• 6:21
  So
• 6:21
  ten
• 6:21
  times
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  amount
• 6:22
  of
• 6:23
  time
• 6:23
  you've
• 6:24
  been
• 6:24
  home
• 6:24
  educating,
• 6:24
  but
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  still
• 6:25
  feel
• 6:25
  you
• 6:26
  need
• 6:26
  to
• 6:26
  deschool.
• 6:27
  Do
• 6:27
  you
• 6:27
  think
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  then
• 6:28
  there's
• 6:28
  something
• 6:29
  inherent
• 6:30
  in
• 6:30
  us,
• 6:31
  or
• 6:31
  does
• 6:31
  your
• 6:31
  child
• 6:32
  have
• 6:32
  to
• 6:32
  be
• 6:32
  in
• 6:33
  a
• 6:33
  school
• 6:33
  experience
• 6:34
  to
• 6:34
  deschool?
• 6:35
  Because
• 6:35
  do
• 6:35
  you
• 6:35
  have
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  deschool
• 6:36
  regardless
• 6:37
  of
• 6:37
  whether
• 6:37
  your
• 6:37
  child's
• 6:37
  been
• 6:38
  in
• 6:38
  school,
• 6:38
  is
• 6:38
  what
• 6:38
  I'm
• 6:38
  asking?
• 6:39
  Yes,
• 6:39
  I
• 6:39
  think
• 6:40
  so.
• 6:40
  Because
• 6:40
  obviously
• 6:41
  I
• 6:41
  spent
• 6:42
  a
• 6:42
  lot
• 6:42
  of
• 6:42
  years
• 6:42
  in
• 6:42
  school.
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  was
• 6:43
  in
• 6:43
  School
• 6:43
  for
• 6:44
  12
• 6:44
  years,
• 6:46
  so
• 6:46
  I
• 6:47
  need
• 6:47
  to
• 6:47
  do
• 6:47
  school
• 6:48
  too,
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  know,
• 6:48
  so.
• 6:49
  But
• 6:49
  then
• 6:49
  when
• 6:49
  my
• 6:50
  son
• 6:50
  was
• 6:50
  in
• 6:50
  school,
• 6:51
  I'm
• 6:51
  still
• 6:52
  in
• 6:52
  that
• 6:52
  school
• 6:52
  mindset
• 6:53
  because
• 6:54
  that
• 6:55
  is
• 6:55
  what
• 6:55
  I
• 6:56
  assumed
• 6:56
  was
• 6:57
  the
• 6:57
  norm
• 6:57
  and
• 6:57
  the
• 6:58
  only
• 6:58
  choice
• 6:58
  at
• 6:58
  the
• 6:59
  time
• 6:59
  when
• 6:59
  he
• 6:59
  started
• 7:00
  school.
• 7:01
  So,
• 7:02
  you
• 7:02
  know,
• 7:02
  and
• 7:02
  back
• 7:03
  in
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  90s,
• 7:03
  it
• 7:03
  was
• 7:03
  pretty
• 7:04
  much
• 7:04
  the
• 7:04
  norm.
• 7:04
  There
• 7:04
  were
• 7:04
  very
• 7:04
  few
• 7:05
  women
• 7:05
  educators
• 7:05
  about.
• 7:06
  So
• 7:07
  what
• 7:07
  I
• 7:07
  hear
• 7:08
  you
• 7:08
  saying
• 7:08
  is
• 7:08
  there
• 7:08
  are
• 7:09
  maybe
• 7:09
  four
• 7:10
  key
• 7:10
  elements
• 7:11
  to
• 7:11
  deschooling.
• 7:12
  You've
• 7:12
  got
• 7:13
  releasing
• 7:13
  any
• 7:14
  trauma
• 7:14
  or
• 7:15
  processing
• 7:15
  through
• 7:16
  any
• 7:16
  trauma
• 7:16
  that
• 7:16
  the
• 7:17
  child
• 7:17
  or
• 7:17
  difficult
• 7:17
  experiences
• 7:18
  that
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  child
• 7:18
  may
• 7:19
  have
• 7:19
  experienced
• 7:19
  at
• 7:19
  school.
• 7:20
  You've
• 7:21
  got
• 7:21
  the
• 7:21
  fact
• 7:21
  that
• 7:21
  you
• 7:22
  and
• 7:22
  your
• 7:23
  child
• 7:23
  will
• 7:24
  have
• 7:24
  been
• 7:24
  kind
• 7:24
  of
• 7:25
  inculcated
• 7:26
  into
• 7:28
  an
• 7:28
  idea
• 7:28
  of
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  school
• 7:29
  experience,
• 7:30
  learning,
• 7:31
  education
• 7:31
  being
• 7:31
  a
• 7:32
  certain
• 7:32
  way.
• 7:32
  You've
• 7:33
  also
• 7:33
  got
• 7:34
  linked
• 7:34
  to
• 7:34
  that,
• 7:35
  but
• 7:35
  slightly
• 7:35
  separate,
• 7:35
  is
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  idea
• 7:36
  of
• 7:37
  deschooling
• 7:38
  learning.
• 7:39
  So
• 7:39
  understanding
• 7:40
  that
• 7:40
  there
• 7:40
  are
• 7:40
  different
• 7:41
  approaches,
• 7:41
  maybe
• 7:42
  relearning
• 7:43
  yourself
• 7:43
  what
• 7:43
  learning
• 7:44
  is.
• 7:44
  And
• 7:45
  then
• 7:45
  alongside
• 7:45
  that,
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  mentioned
• 7:46
  this
• 7:46
  idea
• 7:47
  of
• 7:47
  dynamic
• 7:48
  change.
• 7:48
  So
• 7:49
  going
• 7:49
  from
• 7:49
  sending
• 7:50
  your
• 7:50
  child
• 7:50
  off
• 7:50
  to
• 7:51
  school
• 7:51
  for
• 7:51
  eight
• 7:51
  hours
• 7:52
  to
• 7:52
  having
• 7:52
  your
• 7:52
  child
• 7:53
  with
• 7:53
  you,
• 7:54
  you
• 7:54
  know,
• 7:54
  like
• 7:54
  all
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  time.
• 7:55
  Realistically,
• 7:56
  are
• 7:56
  there
• 7:56
  any
• 7:57
  other
• 7:57
  elements
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  deschooling
• 7:58
  that
• 7:58
  you
• 7:58
  think
• 7:59
  are
• 7:59
  Key
• 7:59
  or
• 7:59
  have
• 7:59
  I
• 7:59
  hit
• 8:00
  them
• 8:00
  all
• 8:00
  there?
• 8:00
  I
• 8:01
  think
• 8:01
  that's
• 8:01
  that.
• 8:01
  That's
• 8:02
  it
• 8:02
  so
• 8:02
  far.
• 8:02
  If
• 8:03
  anything
• 8:03
  else
• 8:03
  comes
• 8:03
  up,
• 8:04
  I'll
• 8:04
  let
• 8:04
  you
• 8:04
  know.
• 8:05
  Yeah,
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  do
• 8:06
  that.
• 8:07
  So
• 8:07
  let's
• 8:08
  take.
• 8:09
  Let's
• 8:09
  take
• 8:10
  the.
• 8:10
  Probably
• 8:11
  the.
• 8:11
  Let's
• 8:12
  take
• 8:12
  the
• 8:12
  trauma
• 8:12
  side
• 8:13
  first.
• 8:13
  You
• 8:14
  know,
• 8:14
  the.
• 8:14
  The
• 8:14
  shedding
• 8:15
  of
• 8:15
  the.
• 8:16
  Of
• 8:16
  difficult
• 8:17
  experiences,
• 8:18
  because
• 8:18
  this
• 8:19
  is
• 8:19
  not
• 8:19
  the
• 8:20
  same
• 8:20
  for
• 8:20
  everybody.
• 8:20
  There
• 8:21
  will
• 8:21
  be
• 8:21
  people
• 8:21
  whose
• 8:22
  children
• 8:22
  went
• 8:22
  into
• 8:22
  school
• 8:23
  that
• 8:23
  didn't
• 8:23
  have
• 8:23
  difficult
• 8:24
  experiences,
• 8:25
  but
• 8:25
  they
• 8:25
  may
• 8:25
  be
• 8:25
  it
• 8:26
  just
• 8:26
  wasn't
• 8:26
  working,
• 8:27
  or
• 8:27
  maybe
• 8:27
  situationally
• 8:28
  they
• 8:28
  wanted
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  take
• 8:29
  their
• 8:29
  child
• 8:29
  out,
• 8:30
  or
• 8:30
  maybe
• 8:31
  the
• 8:31
  child
• 8:31
  was
• 8:31
  fine,
• 8:31
  but
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  parent
• 8:32
  didn't
• 8:32
  really
• 8:33
  like
• 8:33
  what
• 8:33
  was
• 8:33
  happening.
• 8:33
  But
• 8:34
  there
• 8:34
  will
• 8:34
  definitely
• 8:35
  be
• 8:35
  people
• 8:35
  whose
• 8:36
  children
• 8:36
  have
• 8:36
  had
• 8:37
  negative
• 8:38
  experiences
• 8:38
  either
• 8:39
  with
• 8:39
  a
• 8:39
  teacher,
• 8:40
  with
• 8:40
  the
• 8:41
  experience,
• 8:41
  with
• 8:41
  the
• 8:42
  sensory
• 8:42
  experience,
• 8:43
  with
• 8:43
  the
• 8:43
  learning
• 8:43
  itself.
• 8:44
  They
• 8:45
  got
• 8:45
  special
• 8:46
  educational
• 8:46
  needs,
• 8:47
  neurodiversities.
• 8:48
  Maybe
• 8:50
  there
• 8:50
  was
• 8:50
  issues
• 8:50
  with
• 8:51
  the
• 8:51
  dynamic
• 8:51
  with
• 8:51
  other
• 8:52
  children,
• 8:52
  with
• 8:53
  these
• 8:53
  children
• 8:53
  who
• 8:54
  have
• 8:54
  experienced
• 8:55
  what
• 8:55
  I
• 8:56
  would
• 8:56
  perceive
• 8:56
  as
• 8:56
  a
• 8:56
  trauma.
• 8:57
  But
• 8:58
  I
• 8:58
  know
• 8:58
  a
• 8:58
  lot
• 8:59
  of
• 8:59
  people
• 8:59
  struggle
• 8:59
  with
• 8:59
  that
• 9:00
  word
• 9:00
  because
• 9:00
  they
• 9:00
  think
• 9:00
  it,
• 9:01
  you
• 9:01
  know,
• 9:01
  only
• 9:01
  applies
• 9:02
  to
• 9:02
  people
• 9:02
  in
• 9:02
  war
• 9:02
  zones
• 9:02
  or
• 9:03
  whatever.
• 9:03
  But
• 9:04
  people
• 9:05
  whose
• 9:05
  children
• 9:06
  have
• 9:06
  had
• 9:06
  to
• 9:07
  process
• 9:07
  a
• 9:07
  lot
• 9:07
  emotionally.
• 9:08
  What
• 9:09
  do
• 9:09
  you
• 9:09
  think
• 9:09
  is
• 9:09
  the
• 9:09
  key
• 9:10
  part
• 9:11
  of
• 9:11
  deschooling
• 9:12
  there
• 9:12
  for
• 9:12
  them?
• 9:14
  I
• 9:14
  think
• 9:14
  it's
• 9:15
  focusing
• 9:15
  on
• 9:15
  the
• 9:16
  home,
• 9:17
  focusing
• 9:18
  on
• 9:18
  making
• 9:19
  home
• 9:20
  comfortable
• 9:21
  and
• 9:22
  safe
• 9:23
  and
• 9:24
  probably
• 9:26
  avoiding
• 9:26
  language
• 9:28
  that
• 9:28
  sounds
• 9:28
  like
• 9:29
  school.
• 9:30
  So
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  would.
• 9:30
  That's
• 9:31
  where
• 9:31
  home
• 9:31
  education
• 9:33
  is
• 9:34
  a
• 9:35
  more
• 9:35
  useful
• 9:35
  term
• 9:36
  than
• 9:36
  homeschooling,
• 9:37
  because
• 9:38
  obviously
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  word
• 9:39
  school
• 9:39
  could
• 9:40
  have
• 9:40
  really
• 9:41
  negative
• 9:41
  connotations.
• 9:44
  I
• 9:44
  would
• 9:44
  really
• 9:45
  focus
• 9:46
  on
• 9:47
  building
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  connection,
• 9:49
  spending
• 9:49
  time
• 9:50
  together.
• 9:51
  I
• 9:51
  always
• 9:51
  think
• 9:51
  hot
• 9:52
  chocolates,
• 9:52
  read
• 9:53
  alouds,
• 9:55
  films,
• 9:56
  walks
• 9:57
  out.
• 9:58
  Avoid
• 9:59
  words
• 9:59
  like
• 9:59
  lessons,
• 10:00
  maybe
• 10:01
  avoid
• 10:01
  even,
• 10:02
  you
• 10:02
  know,
• 10:02
  avoid
• 10:03
  things
• 10:03
  like
• 10:03
  workbooks
• 10:04
  and
• 10:04
  worksheets,
• 10:05
  anything
• 10:06
  that
• 10:06
  is
• 10:06
  associated
• 10:07
  with
• 10:07
  school.
• 10:08
  Yeah,
• 10:09
  I
• 10:09
  think
• 10:09
  that
• 10:09
  actually
• 10:10
  that
• 10:11
  is
• 10:11
  probably
• 10:12
  advice
• 10:12
  that
• 10:13
  we're
• 10:13
  going
• 10:13
  to
• 10:13
  come
• 10:13
  back
• 10:13
  to
• 10:14
  with
• 10:14
  some
• 10:14
  of
• 10:14
  our
• 10:15
  other
• 10:15
  topics,
• 10:15
  because
• 10:16
  I
• 10:16
  think
• 10:16
  that
• 10:16
  is
• 10:16
  really
• 10:17
  key.
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  think
• 10:18
  what
• 10:18
  you
• 10:18
  were
• 10:18
  saying
• 10:19
  there
• 10:19
  about
• 10:19
  safety
• 10:20
  as
• 10:20
  well,
• 10:20
  I
• 10:21
  know
• 10:21
  that
• 10:21
  from
• 10:21
  my
• 10:22
  work
• 10:22
  with
• 10:23
  people
• 10:23
  who
• 10:24
  have
• 10:24
  experienced
• 10:24
  different
• 10:25
  traumas,
• 10:26
  your
• 10:26
  sense
• 10:27
  of
• 10:27
  safety
• 10:27
  is
• 10:27
  eroded.
• 10:28
  Now,
• 10:28
  if
• 10:28
  you
• 10:28
  experience
• 10:29
  trauma
• 10:29
  as
• 10:29
  a
• 10:30
  child
• 10:30
  in
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  place
• 10:30
  that
• 10:31
  is
• 10:31
  purportedly
• 10:32
  in
• 10:33
  loco
• 10:33
  parentis,
• 10:34
  it's
• 10:35
  meant
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  be
• 10:35
  a
• 10:35
  safe
• 10:36
  place.
• 10:36
  And
• 10:36
  if
• 10:36
  you
• 10:36
  have
• 10:37
  experienced
• 10:38
  feelings
• 10:38
  of
• 10:38
  unsafe,
• 10:39
  you're
• 10:39
  not
• 10:39
  being
• 10:40
  held
• 10:40
  or
• 10:40
  not
• 10:40
  being
• 10:40
  heard
• 10:41
  or
• 10:41
  not
• 10:41
  being.
• 10:42
  Not
• 10:42
  being
• 10:42
  attended
• 10:43
  to,
• 10:43
  not
• 10:43
  being
• 10:43
  cared
• 10:44
  for.
• 10:44
  If
• 10:45
  you've
• 10:45
  experienced
• 10:45
  that,
• 10:46
  everything
• 10:46
  can
• 10:46
  feel
• 10:46
  quite
• 10:47
  fundamentally
• 10:47
  unsafe.
• 10:48
  So
• 10:48
  what
• 10:48
  you're
• 10:48
  saying
• 10:49
  is
• 10:50
  bring
• 10:50
  your
• 10:50
  focus
• 10:51
  back
• 10:51
  to
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  place
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  safety,
• 10:52
  which
• 10:52
  is
• 10:53
  the
• 10:53
  home
• 10:53
  and
• 10:53
  the
• 10:54
  parental
• 10:54
  bond
• 10:54
  and
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  family
• 10:55
  bond,
• 10:55
  right?
• 10:56
  Yes,
• 10:57
  essentially.
• 10:58
  That's
• 10:58
  it.
• 10:58
  Yes.
• 10:59
  So
• 10:59
  much.
• 10:59
  You
• 10:59
  put
• 10:59
  it
• 11:00
  so
• 11:00
  much
• 11:00
  more
• 11:00
  succinctly.
• 11:02
  But
• 11:02
  also
• 11:03
  what
• 11:03
  you're
• 11:03
  saying
• 11:03
  there
• 11:04
  about
• 11:04
  triggers
• 11:04
  was
• 11:05
  really
• 11:05
  key.
• 11:05
  So
• 11:06
  when
• 11:06
  I
• 11:06
  think
• 11:06
  about
• 11:07
  deschooling,
• 11:08
  it
• 11:08
  is
• 11:08
  a
• 11:09
  lot
• 11:09
  about
• 11:09
  avoiding
• 11:10
  triggers,
• 11:11
  avoiding,
• 11:11
  like
• 11:12
  you
• 11:12
  say,
• 11:12
  anything
• 11:12
  that's
• 11:13
  too
• 11:13
  schooly.
• 11:13
  So
• 11:14
  deschooling,
• 11:15
  like
• 11:15
  moving
• 11:15
  away,
• 11:16
  like
• 11:16
  D
• 11:17
  is
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  prefix
• 11:18
  that
• 11:18
  is
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  opposite.
• 11:19
  Right.
• 11:19
  You're
• 11:19
  wanting
• 11:19
  to
• 11:20
  do
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  opposite
• 11:20
  of
• 11:21
  what
• 11:21
  school
• 11:21
  is,
• 11:22
  just
• 11:22
  for
• 11:23
  that
• 11:23
  deschooling
• 11:23
  period.
• 11:24
  Now,
• 11:24
  I
• 11:24
  will
• 11:24
  say
• 11:24
  for
• 11:24
  anyone
• 11:25
  listening,
• 11:26
  this
• 11:26
  doesn't
• 11:26
  mean
• 11:26
  you
• 11:27
  have
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  spend
• 11:27
  the
• 11:28
  whole
• 11:28
  of
• 11:28
  your
• 11:28
  home
• 11:28
  education
• 11:29
  journey
• 11:29
  of
• 11:29
  avoiding
• 11:30
  workbooks,
• 11:30
  avoiding
• 11:31
  lessons.
• 11:31
  You
• 11:32
  can
• 11:32
  have
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  very
• 11:32
  structured
• 11:33
  home
• 11:33
  ed
• 11:33
  journey.
• 11:34
  But
• 11:35
  we're
• 11:35
  talking
• 11:35
  about
• 11:35
  an
• 11:35
  initial
• 11:36
  period
• 11:37
  of
• 11:37
  re
• 11:37
  regulation,
• 11:38
  aren't
• 11:38
  we?
• 11:39
  Absolutely.
• 11:40
  And
• 11:40
  it's
• 11:40
  not
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  period
• 11:41
  in
• 11:41
  which
• 11:41
  no
• 11:41
  learning
• 11:42
  happens.
• 11:43
  It's
• 11:43
  not
• 11:43
  a
• 11:43
  period
• 11:44
  in
• 11:44
  which
• 11:44
  you
• 11:45
  sit
• 11:45
  there
• 11:45
  and
• 11:46
  do
• 11:47
  nothing
• 11:47
  with
• 11:47
  your
• 11:48
  children.
• 11:49
  It's
• 11:49
  very
• 11:50
  much.
• 11:51
  You
• 11:51
  read
• 11:51
  it
• 11:51
  together,
• 11:52
  you
• 11:53
  know,
• 11:53
  and
• 11:53
  it's
• 11:53
  that
• 11:54
  establishing
• 11:55
  new
• 11:55
  routines
• 11:56
  and
• 11:56
  new
• 11:57
  ways
• 11:57
  of
• 11:57
  living
• 11:58
  together.
• 11:59
  So,
• 11:59
  you
• 11:59
  know,
• 11:59
  you
• 11:59
  don't
• 12:00
  have
• 12:00
  to
• 12:00
  throw
• 12:01
  everything
• 12:01
  out
• 12:01
  of
• 12:01
  the
• 12:01
  window.
• 12:02
  You
• 12:03
  know,
• 12:03
  you
• 12:03
  can
• 12:03
  still
• 12:03
  have.
• 12:04
  We're
• 12:04
  going
• 12:04
  to
• 12:04
  have
• 12:05
  breakfast
• 12:05
  at
• 12:05
  this
• 12:05
  time,
• 12:05
  we're
• 12:06
  going
• 12:06
  to
• 12:06
  have
• 12:06
  meals
• 12:07
  together,
• 12:07
  we're
• 12:07
  going
• 12:07
  to.
• 12:09
  We're
• 12:09
  still
• 12:09
  going
• 12:10
  to
• 12:10
  go
• 12:10
  to
• 12:11
  shops
• 12:11
  once
• 12:11
  a
• 12:12
  week
• 12:12
  or
• 12:12
  visit
• 12:13
  grandparents
• 12:13
  on
• 12:14
  this
• 12:14
  day.
• 12:14
  You
• 12:14
  know,
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  things
• 12:15
  that
• 12:15
  you
• 12:15
  normally
• 12:15
  do
• 12:16
  as
• 12:16
  a
• 12:16
  family,
• 12:17
  you
• 12:17
  can
• 12:17
  still
• 12:17
  do,
• 12:18
  you
• 12:18
  still
• 12:18
  do
• 12:18
  that.
• 12:20
  And
• 12:20
  for
• 12:20
  parents,
• 12:22
  at
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  same
• 12:22
  time
• 12:23
  as
• 12:24
  all
• 12:24
  this
• 12:24
  is
• 12:24
  going
• 12:25
  on
• 12:25
  and
• 12:25
  you're
• 12:25
  reconnecting
• 12:26
  and
• 12:27
  re
• 12:27
  establishing
• 12:28
  those
• 12:28
  relationships,
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  think
• 12:30
  what
• 12:30
  can
• 12:31
  be
• 12:31
  a
• 12:31
  really
• 12:31
  useful
• 12:32
  thing
• 12:32
  is
• 12:33
  it's
• 12:33
  learning
• 12:34
  to
• 12:34
  recognise
• 12:35
  the
• 12:35
  learning
• 12:35
  that
• 12:35
  is
• 12:36
  going
• 12:36
  on
• 12:37
  and
• 12:38
  learning
• 12:38
  that
• 12:39
  learning
• 12:40
  doesn't
• 12:40
  have
• 12:40
  to
• 12:40
  be
• 12:41
  just
• 12:41
  academics.
• 12:43
  One
• 12:43
  of
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  main
• 12:44
  things
• 12:44
  with
• 12:44
  school,
• 12:44
  obviously,
• 12:45
  is
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  academic
• 12:46
  process,
• 12:47
  progress
• 12:48
  that
• 12:48
  children
• 12:49
  make.
• 12:50
  But
• 12:50
  learning
• 12:50
  about
• 12:50
  academics
• 12:51
  isn't
• 12:52
  the
• 12:52
  whole
• 12:53
  of
• 12:53
  the
• 12:53
  learning
• 12:53
  picture.
• 12:54
  You
• 12:54
  sit
• 12:55
  and
• 12:55
  you
• 12:55
  teach
• 12:55
  somebody
• 12:56
  how
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  knit,
• 12:57
  then
• 12:57
  it's.
• 12:58
  That's
• 12:58
  still
• 12:58
  a
• 12:59
  skill
• 12:59
  that's
• 12:59
  worth
• 13:00
  learning,
• 13:01
  you
• 13:01
  know,
• 13:01
  or
• 13:02
  they
• 13:02
  might
• 13:02
  spend
• 13:03
  time
• 13:03
  gardening.
• 13:04
  Gardening's
• 13:05
  great
• 13:05
  for
• 13:05
  your
• 13:05
  mental
• 13:06
  health.
• 13:06
  Reconnecting
• 13:07
  with
• 13:07
  nature,
• 13:08
  reconnecting
• 13:09
  with
• 13:09
  the
• 13:09
  soil,
• 13:10
  with
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  plants
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  that,
• 13:12
  that
• 13:13
  sense
• 13:13
  of
• 13:13
  purpose
• 13:14
  that
• 13:14
  you
• 13:14
  get
• 13:14
  from
• 13:14
  growing
• 13:15
  things,
• 13:15
  especially
• 13:15
  if
• 13:15
  it's
• 13:16
  food,
• 13:17
  you
• 13:17
  know,
• 13:17
  that's
• 13:17
  all
• 13:18
  valuable
• 13:18
  learning.
• 13:20
  And
• 13:21
  I
• 13:21
  think
• 13:21
  as
• 13:21
  parents,
• 13:22
  it's.
• 13:23
  If
• 13:23
  they
• 13:23
  have
• 13:24
  just
• 13:24
  come
• 13:24
  out
• 13:24
  of
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  school
• 13:25
  system
• 13:25
  and
• 13:26
  you've
• 13:26
  not
• 13:26
  ever
• 13:27
  thought
• 13:27
  about
• 13:27
  home
• 13:28
  education
• 13:28
  and
• 13:28
  you
• 13:29
  just
• 13:29
  think,
• 13:29
  they're
• 13:29
  going
• 13:29
  to
• 13:29
  go
• 13:29
  to
• 13:30
  school,
• 13:30
  they're
• 13:30
  going
• 13:31
  to
• 13:31
  come
• 13:31
  out
• 13:31
  with
• 13:31
  GCSEs
• 13:33
  or
• 13:33
  not,
• 13:33
  but
• 13:33
  they're
• 13:33
  going
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  go
• 13:34
  from
• 13:34
  there
• 13:34
  onto
• 13:35
  college
• 13:35
  and
• 13:35
  then
• 13:36
  into
• 13:36
  work.
• 13:36
  And
• 13:37
  it's
• 13:37
  kind
• 13:37
  of
• 13:37
  like
• 13:39
  we
• 13:39
  have
• 13:39
  this
• 13:39
  idea
• 13:40
  of
• 13:41
  not
• 13:41
  exactly
• 13:41
  a
• 13:41
  conveyor
• 13:42
  belt,
• 13:42
  but,
• 13:42
  you
• 13:43
  know,
• 13:43
  there
• 13:43
  are
• 13:43
  tests
• 13:44
  at
• 13:44
  certain
• 13:44
  ages
• 13:46
  through
• 13:46
  there
• 13:46
  to
• 13:47
  say
• 13:47
  how
• 13:47
  far
• 13:47
  they've
• 13:48
  got
• 13:48
  with
• 13:48
  the
• 13:48
  academics.
• 13:50
  And
• 13:51
  that's
• 13:51
  the
• 13:52
  emphasis
• 13:52
  there
• 13:52
  with
• 13:53
  schools
• 13:53
  is
• 13:53
  on
• 13:54
  academics.
• 13:54
  And
• 13:54
  I
• 13:55
  think
• 13:55
  part
• 13:55
  of
• 13:55
  that
• 13:55
  deschooling
• 13:56
  process
• 13:56
  is
• 13:57
  recognising
• 13:57
  that
• 13:58
  it's
• 13:58
  not
• 13:59
  all
• 13:59
  about
• 13:59
  academics
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  that
• 14:00
  there
• 14:00
  are
• 14:01
  other
• 14:01
  skills
• 14:01
  and
• 14:02
  other
• 14:02
  things
• 14:02
  we
• 14:02
  can
• 14:03
  learn
• 14:03
  in
• 14:03
  life.
• 14:04
  Might
• 14:04
  not
• 14:05
  get
• 14:05
  us
• 14:05
  an
• 14:05
  exam,
• 14:06
  might
• 14:07
  not
• 14:07
  get
• 14:07
  us
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  job
• 14:07
  at
• 14:08
  the
• 14:08
  end
• 14:08
  of
• 14:08
  it,
• 14:09
  but
• 14:09
  we
• 14:09
  want
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  learn
• 14:10
  them
• 14:10
  for
• 14:10
  that,
• 14:12
  just
• 14:12
  for
• 14:13
  the
• 14:13
  beauty
• 14:13
  of
• 14:13
  learning.
• 14:14
  I
• 14:14
  think
• 14:15
  what
• 14:15
  you
• 14:15
  say
• 14:15
  is
• 14:15
  really
• 14:16
  key
• 14:16
  because
• 14:17
  there's
• 14:17
  part
• 14:18
  of
• 14:18
  us
• 14:18
  that
• 14:19
  even
• 14:19
  when
• 14:19
  we
• 14:19
  have
• 14:20
  only
• 14:20
  ever
• 14:20
  home
• 14:20
  educated,
• 14:21
  you
• 14:21
  know,
• 14:21
  even
• 14:21
  if
• 14:22
  we've
• 14:22
  never
• 14:22
  put
• 14:23
  our
• 14:23
  child
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  school,
• 14:23
  there's
• 14:24
  part
• 14:24
  of
• 14:24
  us
• 14:25
  at
• 14:25
  different
• 14:25
  parts
• 14:26
  of
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  home
• 14:26
  education
• 14:27
  journey
• 14:27
  that
• 14:27
  gets
• 14:28
  hooked
• 14:28
  into
• 14:28
  this
• 14:29
  idea
• 14:29
  of
• 14:30
  needing
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  quantify
• 14:32
  the
• 14:32
  kind
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  learning
• 14:33
  experience.
• 14:34
  And
• 14:34
  I
• 14:34
  know
• 14:34
  that
• 14:35
  I
• 14:35
  mentioned
• 14:36
  this
• 14:36
  in
• 14:36
  another
• 14:36
  podcast
• 14:37
  that
• 14:37
  I
• 14:38
  was
• 14:38
  pretty
• 14:38
  good
• 14:39
  at
• 14:39
  recognizing
• 14:40
  that
• 14:40
  learning
• 14:40
  happened
• 14:40
  everywhere.
• 14:41
  I'd
• 14:41
  not
• 14:41
  put
• 14:41
  my
• 14:41
  children
• 14:42
  into
• 14:42
  school.
• 14:42
  I
• 14:43
  didn't
• 14:43
  feel
• 14:43
  I
• 14:43
  needed
• 14:44
  to
• 14:44
  deschool.
• 14:45
  When
• 14:45
  the
• 14:45
  GCSE
• 14:47
  journey
• 14:47
  started,
• 14:48
  I
• 14:49
  got
• 14:49
  myself
• 14:49
  quite
• 14:50
  hooked
• 14:50
  into,
• 14:51
  okay,
• 14:51
  well,
• 14:52
  if
• 14:52
  it's
• 14:52
  not
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  GCSE
• 14:53
  subject,
• 14:53
  it
• 14:54
  doesn't
• 14:54
  count.
• 14:55
  Like,
• 14:55
  it's
• 14:55
  all
• 14:55
  very
• 14:56
  well
• 14:56
  and
• 14:56
  good.
• 14:56
  This
• 14:56
  is
• 14:56
  very
• 14:57
  lovely.
• 14:57
  You
• 14:57
  want
• 14:57
  to
• 14:57
  go
• 14:58
  and
• 14:58
  like,
• 14:58
  look
• 14:58
  at
• 14:58
  some
• 14:58
  hawthorne
• 14:59
  bushes.
• 14:59
  That's
• 15:00
  beautiful.
• 15:00
  That
• 15:00
  doesn't
• 15:00
  count.
• 15:01
  It
• 15:01
  doesn't
• 15:01
  count
• 15:01
  anymore
• 15:02
  because
• 15:02
  there's
• 15:03
  no
• 15:03
  GCSE
• 15:03
  at
• 15:03
  the
• 15:03
  end
• 15:04
  of
• 15:04
  it.
• 15:04
  And
• 15:04
  I
• 15:04
  know
• 15:05
  that
• 15:05
  I
• 15:05
  had
• 15:06
  to
• 15:06
  kind
• 15:06
  of
• 15:06
  almost
• 15:07
  step
• 15:08
  out
• 15:08
  of
• 15:08
  myself
• 15:08
  after
• 15:09
  about
• 15:09
  six
• 15:09
  months
• 15:09
  of
• 15:09
  this
• 15:10
  and
• 15:10
  be
• 15:10
  like,
• 15:10
  what's
• 15:10
  happening
• 15:11
  here?
• 15:11
  Like,
• 15:11
  this
• 15:11
  is
• 15:11
  actually
• 15:11
  interesting
• 15:12
  that
• 15:12
  I'm
• 15:12
  now
• 15:13
  I've
• 15:13
  got
• 15:13
  very
• 15:13
  much
• 15:13
  into
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  school
• 15:15
  where
• 15:15
  way
• 15:15
  of
• 15:15
  thinking
• 15:15
  just
• 15:16
  because
• 15:16
  my
• 15:16
  children
• 15:16
  hit
• 15:17
  a
• 15:17
  certain
• 15:17
  age.
• 15:18
  And
• 15:18
  I
• 15:18
  started
• 15:18
  thinking
• 15:19
  because
• 15:19
  a
• 15:19
  lot
• 15:19
  of
• 15:19
  home
• 15:19
  educators
• 15:20
  you
• 15:20
  speak
• 15:20
  to,
• 15:21
  they
• 15:21
  do
• 15:21
  say,
• 15:21
  oh,
• 15:22
  well,
• 15:22
  for
• 15:22
  secondary,
• 15:22
  I'm
• 15:22
  probably
• 15:23
  going
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  put
• 15:23
  them
• 15:23
  back
• 15:23
  in
• 15:24
  because
• 15:24
  it's
• 15:24
  almost
• 15:24
  like
• 15:25
  when
• 15:25
  it
• 15:25
  gets
• 15:25
  to
• 15:25
  exam
• 15:26
  time,
• 15:27
  we
• 15:27
  very
• 15:27
  much
• 15:28
  slip
• 15:28
  back
• 15:28
  into
• 15:29
  this
• 15:29
  school
• 15:29
  way
• 15:29
  of
• 15:30
  thinking.
• 15:30
  So
• 15:30
  we
• 15:30
  kind
• 15:30
  of
• 15:30
  have
• 15:31
  to
• 15:31
  deschool
• 15:32
  sporadically
• 15:32
  through
• 15:33
  our
• 15:33
  journey
• 15:33
  as
• 15:33
  well.
• 15:34
  Right,
• 15:35
  exactly.
• 15:35
  That's
• 15:35
  what
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  mean
• 15:36
  when
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  say
• 15:36
  that
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  don't
• 15:37
  think
• 15:37
  I've
• 15:37
  ever
• 15:37
  fully
• 15:38
  deschooled
• 15:38
  because
• 15:39
  I
• 15:40
  recognize
• 15:40
  that,
• 15:41
  you
• 15:42
  know,
• 15:42
  I
• 15:43
  know
• 15:43
  that
• 15:43
  when
• 15:43
  it
• 15:43
  became
• 15:44
  to
• 15:44
  exam
• 15:44
  times,
• 15:45
  it
• 15:45
  was.
• 15:46
  I
• 15:46
  did
• 15:47
  feel
• 15:47
  that
• 15:47
  shift.
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  did
• 15:48
  suddenly
• 15:49
  start
• 15:49
  thinking,
• 15:50
  wanting
• 15:50
  to
• 15:51
  compare
• 15:51
  them
• 15:52
  or
• 15:52
  not
• 15:52
  wanting
• 15:53
  to,
• 15:53
  but
• 15:53
  finding
• 15:54
  That
• 15:54
  I
• 15:54
  was
• 15:55
  comparing
• 15:56
  what
• 15:56
  they
• 15:56
  were
• 15:57
  doing
• 15:57
  with
• 15:57
  what
• 15:57
  children
• 15:58
  in
• 15:58
  school
• 15:58
  were
• 15:58
  doing.
• 16:00
  And
• 16:01
  that
• 16:01
  was
• 16:01
  something
• 16:02
  that
• 16:03
  I'd
• 16:03
  kind
• 16:03
  of
• 16:03
  learned
• 16:04
  not
• 16:04
  to
• 16:04
  do
• 16:04
  along
• 16:04
  the
• 16:05
  way
• 16:05
  because
• 16:07
  a
• 16:07
  home
• 16:07
  ed
• 16:07
  journey
• 16:08
  is
• 16:08
  not
• 16:08
  comparable
• 16:09
  to
• 16:09
  a
• 16:09
  school
• 16:09
  journey.
• 16:10
  But
• 16:10
  suddenly
• 16:11
  you're
• 16:11
  hitting
• 16:12
  this
• 16:12
  point
• 16:13
  where
• 16:13
  they
• 16:14
  have
• 16:14
  to
• 16:14
  get,
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  know,
• 16:15
  they
• 16:15
  want
• 16:15
  to
• 16:15
  get
• 16:15
  these
• 16:16
  qualifications
• 16:16
  and
• 16:17
  they
• 16:17
  need
• 16:17
  them
• 16:17
  to
• 16:18
  go
• 16:18
  on
• 16:18
  to
• 16:18
  the
• 16:18
  next
• 16:18
  step.
• 16:19
  And
• 16:20
  it
• 16:20
  all
• 16:20
  became
• 16:21
  a
• 16:21
  little
• 16:21
  bit.
• 16:22
  A
• 16:22
  little
• 16:23
  bit
• 16:23
  daunting
• 16:24
  and.
• 16:27
  Yeah,
• 16:27
  and
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  pressure.
• 16:29
  There
• 16:29
  was
• 16:29
  a
• 16:29
  new
• 16:30
  pressure
• 16:30
  there
• 16:31
  that
• 16:32
  I
• 16:32
  felt
• 16:32
  as
• 16:33
  a
• 16:33
  parent
• 16:33
  and
• 16:34
  I
• 16:34
  was
• 16:34
  really.
• 16:36
  That
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  did
• 16:36
  struggle
• 16:37
  with
• 16:38
  and
• 16:38
  I
• 16:38
  didn't
• 16:38
  want
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  put
• 16:39
  it
• 16:39
  on
• 16:39
  them,
• 16:40
  do
• 16:40
  you
• 16:40
  know,
• 16:41
  which
• 16:41
  was
• 16:41
  tricky.
• 16:42
  It
• 16:42
  was
• 16:42
  a
• 16:42
  bit
• 16:42
  of
• 16:42
  a
• 16:43
  balancing
• 16:43
  act.
• 16:43
  And
• 16:44
  that
• 16:44
  was
• 16:44
  still
• 16:44
  part.
• 16:45
  I
• 16:45
  could
• 16:45
  really
• 16:45
  recognize
• 16:46
  that
• 16:46
  as
• 16:46
  part
• 16:46
  of
• 16:47
  the
• 16:47
  schooling
• 16:48
  process
• 16:48
  that
• 16:49
  was
• 16:49
  still
• 16:49
  ongoing
• 16:50
  within
• 16:50
  myself.
• 16:51
  Yeah,
• 16:52
  and
• 16:52
  you
• 16:52
  were
• 16:53
  saying
• 16:53
  there
• 16:53
  about.
• 16:54
  We
• 16:54
  were
• 16:55
  talking
• 16:55
  about
• 16:55
  how
• 16:55
  learning
• 16:56
  happens
• 16:56
  in
• 16:56
  lots
• 16:56
  of
• 16:56
  different
• 16:57
  ways.
• 16:57
  You
• 16:57
  know,
• 16:57
  it's
• 16:57
  not
• 16:58
  just
• 16:58
  workbooks,
• 16:59
  it's
• 16:59
  not
• 16:59
  just
• 17:00
  lessons
• 17:00
  in
• 17:01
  inverted
• 17:01
  commas.
• 17:01
  It's,
• 17:02
  as
• 17:02
  you
• 17:02
  were
• 17:02
  saying,
• 17:02
  it's
• 17:03
  gardening
• 17:04
  and,
• 17:04
  you
• 17:05
  know,
• 17:05
  going.
• 17:05
  Going
• 17:05
  for
• 17:05
  nature
• 17:06
  walks
• 17:06
  and
• 17:06
  things
• 17:06
  like
• 17:06
  that.
• 17:07
  I
• 17:07
  think
• 17:07
  that's
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  very
• 17:08
  key
• 17:08
  part
• 17:09
  of
• 17:10
  deschooling.
• 17:10
  But
• 17:11
  what
• 17:11
  you're
• 17:11
  also
• 17:11
  talking
• 17:12
  about
• 17:12
  is
• 17:12
  this
• 17:12
  idea
• 17:13
  that
• 17:13
  as
• 17:13
  parents,
• 17:15
  we
• 17:15
  have
• 17:16
  things
• 17:16
  like
• 17:17
  comparing
• 17:18
  to
• 17:18
  the
• 17:18
  school
• 17:18
  experience,
• 17:19
  like
• 17:19
  thinking,
• 17:20
  what,
• 17:20
  what
• 17:21
  should
• 17:21
  they.
• 17:21
  A
• 17:21
  lot
• 17:21
  of
• 17:22
  shoulds.
• 17:22
  Like,
• 17:22
  what
• 17:23
  should
• 17:23
  they
• 17:23
  be
• 17:23
  learning
• 17:23
  now?
• 17:24
  Like,
• 17:24
  what.
• 17:24
  Where
• 17:25
  should
• 17:25
  they
• 17:25
  be
• 17:25
  in
• 17:26
  their
• 17:26
  maths?
• 17:26
  What
• 17:27
  should
• 17:27
  they.
• 17:28
  What
• 17:28
  level
• 17:29
  should
• 17:29
  their
• 17:29
  spelling
• 17:30
  be
• 17:30
  at?
• 17:30
  Do
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  think
• 17:31
  that
• 17:31
  part
• 17:31
  of
• 17:31
  deschooling
• 17:32
  is
• 17:32
  letting
• 17:32
  go
• 17:33
  of
• 17:33
  that?
• 17:33
  Or
• 17:33
  do
• 17:33
  you
• 17:34
  think
• 17:35
  there's
• 17:35
  always
• 17:36
  a
• 17:36
  part
• 17:36
  of
• 17:36
  that
• 17:36
  that
• 17:37
  we
• 17:37
  have?
• 17:37
  I
• 17:37
  don't
• 17:37
  know.
• 17:38
  I
• 17:38
  think
• 17:39
  part
• 17:39
  of
• 17:39
  deschooling
• 17:39
  is
• 17:40
  absolutely
• 17:40
  letting
• 17:40
  go
• 17:41
  of
• 17:41
  that.
• 17:41
  I
• 17:41
  think
• 17:42
  it's,
• 17:43
  you
• 17:43
  know,
• 17:44
  we
• 17:44
  always
• 17:44
  said
• 17:45
  there
• 17:45
  is
• 17:45
  no
• 17:45
  behind
• 17:45
  in
• 17:46
  home
• 17:46
  education
• 17:47
  because
• 17:47
  a
• 17:47
  child
• 17:48
  can't
• 17:48
  be
• 17:48
  behind
• 17:48
  themselves.
• 17:49
  And
• 17:50
  that
• 17:50
  is
• 17:51
  very
• 17:51
  true.
• 17:52
  A
• 17:53
  child
• 17:53
  is
• 17:53
  where
• 17:53
  they
• 17:53
  are,
• 17:55
  but
• 17:55
  there
• 17:55
  is
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  temptation
• 17:56
  is
• 17:57
  to
• 17:57
  start
• 17:58
  thinking,
• 17:58
  oh,
• 17:59
  next
• 18:00
  door.
• 18:00
  But
• 18:00
  one,
• 18:01
  you
• 18:01
  know,
• 18:01
  they're
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  same
• 18:02
  age
• 18:02
  and
• 18:02
  they'd
• 18:02
  be
• 18:02
  in
• 18:02
  the
• 18:03
  same
• 18:03
  year
• 18:03
  at
• 18:03
  school
• 18:03
  and
• 18:04
  they're
• 18:04
  doing
• 18:04
  all
• 18:05
  this
• 18:05
  stuff
• 18:05
  that
• 18:06
  my
• 18:06
  child's
• 18:06
  not
• 18:06
  done.
• 18:07
  And
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  is
• 18:09
  where
• 18:09
  we
• 18:09
  need
• 18:09
  to
• 18:10
  do
• 18:10
  school
• 18:10
  as
• 18:10
  well.
• 18:11
  How
• 18:11
  do
• 18:12
  you
• 18:12
  go
• 18:12
  about
• 18:12
  that
• 18:12
  process?
• 18:13
  I
• 18:13
  mean,
• 18:13
  that's
• 18:13
  quite.
• 18:13
  It's.
• 18:14
  I
• 18:14
  feel
• 18:14
  like
• 18:14
  we're
• 18:14
  sort
• 18:15
  of
• 18:15
  sitting
• 18:15
  here
• 18:15
  and
• 18:15
  people
• 18:15
  must
• 18:16
  be
• 18:16
  listening,
• 18:16
  thinking,
• 18:16
  yeah,
• 18:16
  but
• 18:17
  how,
• 18:17
  like,
• 18:17
  how
• 18:18
  do
• 18:18
  I
• 18:18
  stop
• 18:18
  myself
• 18:18
  doing
• 18:19
  this?
• 18:19
  Yes.
• 18:20
  I
• 18:20
  found
• 18:20
  that
• 18:21
  part
• 18:21
  of
• 18:21
  the
• 18:21
  whole
• 18:21
  journey
• 18:22
  of
• 18:22
  home
• 18:23
  education,
• 18:23
  when
• 18:24
  I
• 18:24
  talk
• 18:24
  about
• 18:24
  that
• 18:24
  dynamic
• 18:25
  and
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  change
• 18:26
  that
• 18:26
  goes
• 18:26
  on
• 18:26
  when
• 18:27
  they're
• 18:27
  suddenly
• 18:27
  at
• 18:27
  home,
• 18:28
  it's
• 18:28
  not
• 18:28
  just
• 18:29
  learning
• 18:29
  about
• 18:30
  being
• 18:30
  with
• 18:30
  your
• 18:31
  child,
• 18:32
  it's
• 18:32
  also
• 18:32
  yourself
• 18:33
  too,
• 18:34
  you
• 18:34
  know,
• 18:35
  because
• 18:35
  you're
• 18:35
  with
• 18:36
  them
• 18:36
  all
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  time.
• 18:37
  And
• 18:38
  as
• 18:38
  you're
• 18:39
  watching
• 18:40
  and
• 18:40
  observing
• 18:41
  how
• 18:41
  they're
• 18:41
  learning
• 18:42
  and
• 18:42
  changing,
• 18:43
  the
• 18:43
  best
• 18:44
  way
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  do
• 18:44
  that,
• 18:45
  I
• 18:45
  think,
• 18:45
  is
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  have
• 18:47
  to
• 18:47
  observe
• 18:47
  and
• 18:47
  watch
• 18:48
  yourself
• 18:48
  as
• 18:48
  you're
• 18:49
  changing
• 18:49
  as
• 18:49
  well.
• 18:50
  And
• 18:50
  it's
• 18:50
  not
• 18:50
  easy.
• 18:51
  You
• 18:51
  know,
• 18:51
  it's
• 18:52
  not
• 18:52
  easy.
• 18:53
  And
• 18:54
  I
• 18:54
  can't
• 18:55
  say
• 18:55
  I've
• 18:55
  always
• 18:55
  been
• 18:56
  brilliant,
• 18:56
  but
• 18:57
  over
• 18:58
  30
• 18:58
  years,
• 18:59
  I
• 18:59
  have
• 18:59
  had
• 18:59
  a
• 18:59
  lot
• 18:59
  of
• 19:00
  opportunity
• 19:01
  to.
• 19:01
  To.
• 19:02
  To
• 19:02
  do
• 19:03
  that.
• 19:03
  Really,
• 19:04
  what
• 19:04
  you're
• 19:04
  describing
• 19:05
  there
• 19:05
  is
• 19:05
  this
• 19:06
  idea
• 19:06
  almost
• 19:06
  that
• 19:07
  we
• 19:08
  have
• 19:08
  our
• 19:08
  own
• 19:08
  demons
• 19:09
  as
• 19:09
  parents
• 19:10
  that
• 19:10
  we
• 19:10
  end
• 19:10
  up
• 19:10
  having
• 19:11
  to
• 19:11
  confront
• 19:11
  as
• 19:11
  home
• 19:12
  educators
• 19:12
  because
• 19:12
  we
• 19:12
  don't
• 19:13
  really
• 19:13
  have
• 19:13
  anywhere
• 19:13
  to
• 19:13
  hide
• 19:14
  from
• 19:14
  them.
• 19:14
  So
• 19:14
  these
• 19:15
  demons
• 19:15
  of
• 19:15
  comparison
• 19:16
  and
• 19:17
  guilt,
• 19:18
  shame,
• 19:19
  all
• 19:19
  of
• 19:19
  these
• 19:19
  things
• 19:19
  that
• 19:20
  as
• 19:20
  parents
• 19:20
  are
• 19:20
  kind
• 19:20
  of
• 19:21
  built
• 19:21
  into
• 19:21
  their
• 19:21
  process,
• 19:22
  which
• 19:22
  they
• 19:22
  don't
• 19:22
  tell
• 19:22
  you
• 19:23
  about.
• 19:23
  And
• 19:24
  that's.
• 19:24
  They
• 19:24
  kind
• 19:25
  of
• 19:25
  come
• 19:25
  under
• 19:25
  a
• 19:25
  bit
• 19:25
  of
• 19:26
  a
• 19:26
  spotlight,
• 19:26
  don't
• 19:26
  they,
• 19:26
  when
• 19:27
  you
• 19:27
  home
• 19:27
  educate?
• 19:27
  Because
• 19:27
  you're
• 19:28
  that
• 19:28
  single
• 19:28
  point
• 19:28
  of
• 19:29
  failure
• 19:29
  where
• 19:29
  everything
• 19:30
  goes
• 19:30
  through
• 19:30
  you,
• 19:30
  parenting
• 19:31
  and
• 19:31
  schooling,
• 19:32
  and
• 19:32
  so
• 19:33
  you.
• 19:33
  The
• 19:34
  person
• 19:34
  responsible
• 19:35
  for
• 19:35
  all
• 19:35
  of
• 19:36
  it.
• 19:36
  So
• 19:37
  what
• 19:37
  you're
• 19:38
  recommending
• 19:38
  there,
• 19:39
  I
• 19:39
  think,
• 19:39
  was
• 19:39
  to.
• 19:40
  To
• 19:40
  listen
• 19:41
  and
• 19:41
  to
• 19:41
  catch
• 19:41
  yourself
• 19:42
  when
• 19:42
  these.
• 19:42
  When
• 19:43
  this
• 19:43
  kind
• 19:43
  of
• 19:43
  little
• 19:44
  inner
• 19:44
  voice
• 19:45
  springs
• 19:46
  in.
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  mean,
• 19:46
  I
• 19:46
  know
• 19:47
  that
• 19:47
  with
• 19:47
  a
• 19:47
  lot
• 19:47
  of
• 19:47
  my
• 19:48
  clients,
• 19:48
  I
• 19:48
  quite
• 19:48
  like
• 19:49
  to
• 19:49
  personalize
• 19:50
  that
• 19:50
  inner
• 19:50
  voice,
• 19:51
  you
• 19:51
  know,
• 19:51
  try
• 19:51
  to.
• 19:51
  Try
• 19:52
  to
• 19:52
  notice
• 19:52
  who
• 19:52
  it
• 19:52
  is.
• 19:53
  Quite
• 19:53
  often
• 19:53
  it's
• 19:53
  somebody
• 19:54
  in
• 19:54
  our
• 19:54
  past.
• 19:54
  Like,
• 19:55
  I
• 19:55
  hate
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  say
• 19:56
  this,
• 19:56
  but
• 19:56
  quite
• 19:56
  often
• 19:56
  it's
• 19:57
  our
• 19:57
  mothers,
• 19:57
  but
• 19:58
  not
• 19:58
  always.
• 19:58
  It
• 19:58
  can
• 19:59
  be
• 19:59
  other
• 19:59
  relatives,
• 20:00
  but
• 20:00
  sometimes
• 20:00
  it's
• 20:01
  somebody
• 20:01
  else's
• 20:02
  voice
• 20:02
  we
• 20:02
  hear.
• 20:02
  Sometimes
• 20:03
  it's
• 20:03
  our
• 20:03
  own
• 20:03
  voice.
• 20:04
  And
• 20:04
  I
• 20:04
  think
• 20:04
  it
• 20:05
  can
• 20:05
  to
• 20:05
  kind
• 20:05
  of
• 20:06
  go,
• 20:06
  oh,
• 20:06
  here
• 20:06
  we
• 20:06
  are.
• 20:07
  It's
• 20:07
  like,
• 20:07
  you
• 20:07
  know,
• 20:07
  like
• 20:08
  a
• 20:08
  negative
• 20:08
  ninny
• 20:09
  again,
• 20:09
  or
• 20:10
  it's
• 20:10
  woe
• 20:11
  is
• 20:11
  me
• 20:11
  again,
• 20:12
  or
• 20:12
  whatever.
• 20:12
  And
• 20:12
  you
• 20:12
  kind
• 20:13
  of
• 20:13
  almost
• 20:13
  make
• 20:13
  it
• 20:13
  a
• 20:14
  slightly
• 20:14
  humorous
• 20:14
  thing,
• 20:15
  but
• 20:15
  just
• 20:15
  by
• 20:16
  noticing
• 20:16
  that
• 20:17
  you're
• 20:18
  saying
• 20:18
  those
• 20:18
  things,
• 20:19
  like,
• 20:19
  oh,
• 20:19
  look,
• 20:19
  it's
• 20:20
  the
• 20:20
  should,
• 20:20
  the
• 20:21
  shoulds
• 20:21
  again.
• 20:22
  I
• 20:22
  think
• 20:23
  noticing
• 20:23
  and
• 20:23
  identifying
• 20:24
  it
• 20:24
  is
• 20:24
  really
• 20:25
  important,
• 20:25
  like
• 20:25
  you
• 20:25
  say,
• 20:26
  because
• 20:26
  it.
• 20:26
  It
• 20:27
  sort
• 20:27
  of
• 20:27
  alerts
• 20:27
  your
• 20:28
  brain
• 20:28
  that
• 20:28
  I
• 20:28
  actually
• 20:28
  don't
• 20:29
  want
• 20:29
  this,
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  know,
• 20:30
  this
• 20:30
  voice,
• 20:30
  this
• 20:30
  thing
• 20:31
  I'm
• 20:31
  hearing.
• 20:31
  I
• 20:31
  don't
• 20:31
  want
• 20:31
  this.
• 20:33
  Absolutely,
• 20:33
  absolutely.
• 20:34
  You
• 20:34
  know,
• 20:34
  and
• 20:35
  it's.
• 20:35
  It
• 20:35
  is
• 20:35
  just
• 20:36
  about
• 20:36
  paying
• 20:36
  attention.
• 20:36
  You've
• 20:37
  got
• 20:37
  to
• 20:37
  pay
• 20:37
  attention
• 20:37
  to
• 20:37
  yourself
• 20:38
  as
• 20:38
  well
• 20:38
  as
• 20:38
  to
• 20:38
  them.
• 20:39
  But,
• 20:39
  yeah,
• 20:39
  I
• 20:40
  think
• 20:40
  that's
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  good
• 20:40
  way
• 20:40
  of
• 20:41
  describing
• 20:41
  it,
• 20:41
  really.
• 20:41
  Demons
• 20:42
  and
• 20:42
  voices
• 20:43
  and
• 20:43
  things.
• 20:45
  I
• 20:45
  think
• 20:45
  one
• 20:45
  of
• 20:45
  the
• 20:46
  other
• 20:46
  things
• 20:46
  that
• 20:46
  I
• 20:46
  found
• 20:47
  really
• 20:48
  helpful
• 20:48
  to
• 20:49
  combat
• 20:50
  some
• 20:50
  of
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  inner
• 20:51
  doubt
• 20:52
  was
• 20:52
  to
• 20:52
  reach
• 20:52
  out
• 20:53
  within
• 20:53
  home
• 20:53
  ed
• 20:53
  communities.
• 20:55
  Home
• 20:55
  ed
• 20:55
  on
• 20:56
  Homer
• 20:56
  communities
• 20:56
  are
• 20:57
  invariably
• 20:57
  online,
• 20:59
  but
• 20:59
  you
• 21:00
  will
• 21:00
  have
• 21:00
  local
• 21:01
  groups
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  you
• 21:01
  can
• 21:02
  meet
• 21:02
  up
• 21:02
  with
• 21:02
  and,
• 21:02
  and
• 21:03
  even
• 21:03
  some
• 21:03
  of
• 21:03
  the
• 21:04
  groups,
• 21:04
  if
• 21:04
  you
• 21:04
  go
• 21:04
  on
• 21:05
  and
• 21:05
  say,
• 21:05
  oh,
• 21:05
  I'm
• 21:05
  really
• 21:05
  like
• 21:06
  feeling
• 21:06
  a
• 21:06
  lot
• 21:06
  of
• 21:07
  doubt
• 21:07
  about
• 21:07
  whether
• 21:08
  my
• 21:08
  son
• 21:08
  should
• 21:08
  be
• 21:08
  able
• 21:09
  to
• 21:09
  do
• 21:09
  long
• 21:09
  multiplication
• 21:10
  by
• 21:10
  this
• 21:10
  age
• 21:11
  there
• 21:11
  will
• 21:11
  be
• 21:11
  a
• 21:11
  million
• 21:11
  people
• 21:12
  that
• 21:12
  will
• 21:12
  come
• 21:12
  on
• 21:12
  and
• 21:12
  be
• 21:13
  like,
• 21:13
  nah,
• 21:13
  you
• 21:13
  don't
• 21:13
  need
• 21:13
  to
• 21:13
  worry
• 21:14
  about
• 21:14
  that.
• 21:14
  Like
• 21:14
  you
• 21:14
  say,
• 21:14
  every
• 21:15
  child
• 21:15
  is
• 21:15
  unique,
• 21:16
  every
• 21:16
  journey
• 21:16
  is
• 21:16
  unique.
• 21:17
  You
• 21:17
  know,
• 21:17
  you
• 21:17
  meet
• 21:17
  one
• 21:18
  home
• 21:18
  educator,
• 21:19
  you've
• 21:19
  met
• 21:19
  one
• 21:19
  home
• 21:19
  educator
• 21:20
  and
• 21:21
  that's
• 21:21
  what
• 21:21
  it's
• 21:22
  like.
• 21:22
  Right?
• 21:23
  So
• 21:23
  I
• 21:24
  guess
• 21:24
  as
• 21:24
  well
• 21:24
  reaching
• 21:25
  out,
• 21:25
  listening
• 21:25
  to
• 21:25
  yourself,
• 21:26
  like
• 21:27
  doing
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  internal
• 21:28
  work,
• 21:28
  but
• 21:28
  also
• 21:28
  allowing
• 21:29
  yourself
• 21:29
  to
• 21:29
  connect
• 21:30
  externally
• 21:30
  as
• 21:31
  well.
• 21:31
  That's
• 21:32
  true,
• 21:32
  that's
• 21:32
  true.
• 21:33
  There's
• 21:33
  so
• 21:33
  much
• 21:33
  more
• 21:33
  opportunities
• 21:34
  for
• 21:34
  that
• 21:34
  these
• 21:34
  days
• 21:35
  as
• 21:35
  well,
• 21:36
  you
• 21:36
  know,
• 21:37
  with
• 21:37
  the
• 21:37
  Internet
• 21:37
  and
• 21:38
  things
• 21:38
  like
• 21:38
  that.
• 21:39
  And
• 21:39
  it
• 21:40
  is
• 21:40
  very
• 21:40
  important,
• 21:40
  I
• 21:41
  think.
• 21:41
  And
• 21:41
  as,
• 21:42
  and
• 21:42
  while
• 21:43
  Facebook
• 21:43
  groups
• 21:44
  and
• 21:44
  Internet
• 21:44
  groups
• 21:45
  are
• 21:45
  brilliant,
• 21:45
  I
• 21:45
  would
• 21:46
  recommend
• 21:46
  if
• 21:46
  there
• 21:47
  is
• 21:47
  a
• 21:47
  local
• 21:47
  group
• 21:47
  to
• 21:48
  try
• 21:48
  and
• 21:48
  meet
• 21:48
  people
• 21:48
  in
• 21:48
  person
• 21:49
  because
• 21:50
  that
• 21:50
  face
• 21:50
  to
• 21:51
  face
• 21:51
  interaction
• 21:52
  is
• 21:52
  so
• 21:53
  different
• 21:53
  from
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  typed
• 21:54
  one
• 21:54
  where
• 21:55
  you
• 21:55
  haven't
• 21:55
  got
• 21:57
  the
• 21:57
  nuances
• 21:58
  of
• 21:59
  speaking
• 21:59
  to
• 21:59
  each
• 22:00
  other
• 22:00
  and
• 22:00
  our
• 22:01
  body
• 22:01
  language
• 22:01
  and
• 22:02
  the
• 22:02
  rest
• 22:02
  of
• 22:02
  it,
• 22:02
  you
• 22:02
  know,
• 22:03
  and
• 22:03
  as
• 22:03
  well,
• 22:03
  it's
• 22:04
  great
• 22:04
  to
• 22:05
  be
• 22:06
  able
• 22:06
  to
• 22:06
  have
• 22:06
  some
• 22:06
  in
• 22:07
  person
• 22:07
  relationships
• 22:08
  and
• 22:08
  build
• 22:08
  actual
• 22:09
  real
• 22:09
  life
• 22:09
  friendships
• 22:10
  with
• 22:10
  people
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  their
• 22:11
  children.
• 22:12
  Yeah,
• 22:13
  it
• 22:13
  helps.
• 22:13
  It's
• 22:13
  supportive.
• 22:14
  It's
• 22:14
  very
• 22:15
  supportive
• 22:15
  as
• 22:15
  well.
• 22:16
  So
• 22:16
  so
• 22:17
  far
• 22:17
  we've
• 22:17
  got
• 22:18
  ideas
• 22:19
  for
• 22:19
  D
• 22:19
  for
• 22:19
  deschooling
• 22:20
  would
• 22:20
  be
• 22:21
  to
• 22:22
  make
• 22:22
  sure
• 22:22
  that
• 22:22
  your
• 22:23
  home
• 22:23
  is
• 22:23
  a
• 22:23
  safe
• 22:24
  place,
• 22:25
  that
• 22:25
  you're
• 22:25
  focusing
• 22:25
  on
• 22:25
  the
• 22:25
  connection
• 22:26
  and
• 22:26
  the
• 22:26
  family
• 22:26
  bonds.
• 22:27
  And
• 22:27
  then
• 22:27
  we've
• 22:28
  also
• 22:28
  got
• 22:28
  the
• 22:29
  kind
• 22:29
  of
• 22:29
  concept
• 22:30
  of
• 22:30
  working
• 22:30
  on
• 22:30
  yourself
• 22:32
  and
• 22:32
  what,
• 22:33
  what
• 22:33
  of
• 22:33
  the
• 22:33
  school
• 22:34
  experience?
• 22:34
  What
• 22:34
  of
• 22:34
  your
• 22:35
  school
• 22:35
  experience?
• 22:35
  You
• 22:36
  might
• 22:36
  be
• 22:36
  bringing
• 22:36
  in
• 22:37
  comparisons,
• 22:38
  senses
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  guild
• 22:40
  expectations
• 22:41
  that
• 22:41
  you're
• 22:41
  putting
• 22:42
  into
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  situation.
• 22:43
  We
• 22:43
  also
• 22:43
  talked
• 22:44
  briefly
• 22:44
  about
• 22:45
  this,
• 22:45
  this
• 22:46
  very
• 22:46
  key
• 22:46
  deschooling
• 22:47
  idea
• 22:47
  of
• 22:47
  learning
• 22:48
  being
• 22:49
  all
• 22:49
  sorts
• 22:49
  of
• 22:49
  different
• 22:49
  things,
• 22:50
  you
• 22:50
  know,
• 22:50
  and
• 22:50
  that
• 22:51
  it
• 22:51
  isn't
• 22:51
  just
• 22:51
  workbooks
• 22:52
  and
• 22:52
  certainly
• 22:52
  in
• 22:53
  those
• 22:53
  early
• 22:53
  days
• 22:53
  they
• 22:54
  may
• 22:54
  actually
• 22:54
  be
• 22:54
  triggers.
• 22:55
  So
• 22:56
  what
• 22:56
  would
• 22:56
  some
• 22:57
  kind
• 22:57
  of
• 22:57
  practical
• 22:58
  advice
• 22:58
  be
• 22:58
  for
• 22:59
  people
• 22:59
  who
• 22:59
  want
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  do
• 23:00
  school,
• 23:00
  but
• 23:01
  they
• 23:01
  don't
• 23:01
  really
• 23:01
  know
• 23:01
  how
• 23:02
  to
• 23:02
  remove
• 23:04
  the
• 23:04
  school
• 23:04
  experience
• 23:05
  and
• 23:05
  they
• 23:05
  also
• 23:05
  don't
• 23:06
  know
• 23:06
  how
• 23:07
  to
• 23:07
  make
• 23:07
  that
• 23:07
  mindset
• 23:08
  shift
• 23:08
  about
• 23:09
  this
• 23:09
  is
• 23:09
  learning.
• 23:10
  Even
• 23:10
  if
• 23:10
  we're
• 23:11
  watching
• 23:11
  a
• 23:11
  David
• 23:11
  Attenborough
• 23:12
  documentary,
• 23:12
  which
• 23:13
  for
• 23:13
  God's
• 23:13
  sake,
• 23:13
  they
• 23:13
  do.
• 23:14
  In
• 23:14
  school,
• 23:14
  let's
• 23:14
  face
• 23:14
  it,
• 23:15
  school
• 23:15
  does
• 23:16
  A
• 23:16
  lot
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  things.
• 23:17
  And
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  lot
• 23:18
  of
• 23:18
  those
• 23:18
  things
• 23:19
  we
• 23:19
  do
• 23:19
  in
• 23:19
  real
• 23:19
  life.
• 23:20
  One
• 23:21
  of
• 23:21
  the
• 23:21
  misconceptions
• 23:22
  I
• 23:22
  always
• 23:22
  find
• 23:22
  with
• 23:23
  little
• 23:23
  kids
• 23:24
  is
• 23:24
  this
• 23:24
  idea.
• 23:25
  And
• 23:25
  a
• 23:25
  lot
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  people
• 23:25
  who
• 23:25
  don't
• 23:26
  know
• 23:26
  about
• 23:26
  education
• 23:27
  is
• 23:27
  this
• 23:27
  idea
• 23:28
  that
• 23:28
  they.
• 23:28
  They
• 23:29
  give
• 23:29
  to
• 23:29
  small
• 23:30
  children
• 23:30
  who
• 23:30
  are
• 23:30
  about
• 23:31
  to
• 23:31
  start
• 23:31
  school.
• 23:32
  You
• 23:32
  have
• 23:32
  to
• 23:32
  go
• 23:32
  to
• 23:33
  school
• 23:33
  to
• 23:33
  learn.
• 23:34
  You're
• 23:35
  going
• 23:35
  to
• 23:35
  school
• 23:35
  so
• 23:35
  that
• 23:35
  you
• 23:36
  can
• 23:36
  learn
• 23:36
  things.
• 23:37
  You
• 23:37
  know,
• 23:37
  school's
• 23:37
  gonna
• 23:37
  be
• 23:38
  great,
• 23:38
  you're
• 23:38
  gonna
• 23:38
  learn
• 23:38
  all
• 23:39
  this
• 23:39
  stuff.
• 23:40
  And
• 23:41
  as
• 23:42
  people
• 23:42
  are
• 23:42
  saying
• 23:42
  that
• 23:43
  to
• 23:43
  small
• 23:43
  children,
• 23:44
  that
• 23:44
  message
• 23:45
  also
• 23:45
  goes
• 23:46
  into
• 23:46
  the
• 23:46
  adult
• 23:47
  brain
• 23:47
  as
• 23:47
  well.
• 23:49
  And
• 23:49
  I
• 23:49
  think
• 23:50
  it's.
• 23:50
  It's
• 23:50
  untangling
• 23:51
  that,
• 23:51
  it's
• 23:51
  unraveling
• 23:52
  that
• 23:53
  and
• 23:53
  recognizing,
• 23:54
  you
• 23:54
  know,
• 23:54
  they
• 23:54
  do
• 23:55
  gardens.
• 23:55
  You
• 23:55
  know,
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  schools
• 23:56
  have
• 23:57
  school
• 23:57
  gardens
• 23:57
  where
• 23:57
  they
• 23:58
  grow
• 23:58
  things.
• 23:59
  You
• 23:59
  know,
• 23:59
  they're
• 24:00
  obviously
• 24:00
  learning
• 24:01
  about
• 24:01
  things
• 24:01
  in
• 24:01
  school.
• 24:02
  So
• 24:02
  when
• 24:02
  you
• 24:03
  do
• 24:03
  that
• 24:03
  at
• 24:03
  home,
• 24:04
  you
• 24:04
  might
• 24:04
  not
• 24:05
  think
• 24:05
  of
• 24:05
  it
• 24:05
  as
• 24:06
  a.
• 24:06
  An
• 24:06
  activity
• 24:07
  where
• 24:07
  they're
• 24:08
  learning
• 24:08
  about
• 24:08
  anything,
• 24:09
  because
• 24:09
  it's
• 24:09
  just
• 24:09
  what
• 24:09
  you
• 24:10
  do
• 24:10
  as
• 24:10
  a
• 24:10
  family.
• 24:12
  First
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  all,
• 24:12
  for
• 24:12
  me,
• 24:13
  it
• 24:13
  was
• 24:13
  a
• 24:13
  case
• 24:13
  of
• 24:13
  saying,
• 24:14
  they
• 24:14
  do
• 24:14
  that
• 24:15
  in
• 24:15
  school,
• 24:16
  therefore
• 24:16
  I
• 24:17
  can
• 24:17
  do
• 24:17
  it
• 24:17
  at
• 24:17
  home.
• 24:18
  They
• 24:18
  do
• 24:18
  gardens
• 24:19
  in
• 24:19
  school.
• 24:19
  Gardening
• 24:20
  counts.
• 24:21
  They
• 24:21
  go
• 24:21
  on
• 24:21
  museum
• 24:22
  trips
• 24:22
  at
• 24:22
  school.
• 24:23
  Going
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  museums
• 24:24
  counts.
• 24:24
  They
• 24:25
  go
• 24:25
  to
• 24:25
  the
• 24:25
  theatre
• 24:25
  at
• 24:26
  school.
• 24:26
  Going
• 24:26
  to
• 24:26
  theatre
• 24:27
  counts.
• 24:28
  So
• 24:28
  flipping
• 24:28
  it
• 24:29
  round.
• 24:29
  So
• 24:30
  almost
• 24:30
  flipping
• 24:30
  it
• 24:30
  round.
• 24:31
  Yeah.
• 24:32
  Yes.
• 24:32
  So
• 24:33
  you're
• 24:33
  using
• 24:34
  school
• 24:34
  to
• 24:34
  validate
• 24:35
  you
• 24:35
  almost
• 24:35
  in
• 24:35
  that
• 24:36
  way.
• 24:37
  Yeah,
• 24:37
  kind
• 24:38
  of.
• 24:38
  It
• 24:38
  was
• 24:39
  that
• 24:39
  because
• 24:39
  I
• 24:39
  didn't
• 24:40
  know
• 24:41
  I'd
• 24:41
  started
• 24:42
  out
• 24:42
  with
• 24:43
  very
• 24:45
  few
• 24:45
  ideas
• 24:45
  about
• 24:46
  what
• 24:46
  home
• 24:46
  education
• 24:47
  could
• 24:47
  look
• 24:47
  like.
• 24:49
  It
• 24:49
  was
• 24:49
  early
• 24:49
  1990s.
• 24:50
  There
• 24:51
  wasn't
• 24:51
  an
• 24:51
  Internet
• 24:52
  community.
• 24:54
  There
• 24:54
  were
• 24:54
  very
• 24:55
  few
• 24:55
  home
• 24:55
  educators
• 24:56
  about.
• 24:57
  We
• 24:57
  got
• 24:57
  a
• 24:58
  newsletter
• 24:58
  once
• 24:58
  a
• 24:59
  month
• 24:59
  from
• 25:00
  Education.
• 25:00
  Otherwise
• 25:01
  that
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  signed
• 25:01
  up
• 25:01
  for.
• 25:03
  Other
• 25:03
  than
• 25:03
  that,
• 25:03
  I
• 25:04
  read
• 25:04
  books,
• 25:04
  you
• 25:04
  know,
• 25:05
  I
• 25:05
  read
• 25:06
  books.
• 25:06
  I
• 25:07
  did
• 25:07
  a
• 25:07
  book
• 25:07
  about
• 25:07
  eschooling.
• 25:08
  I
• 25:08
  read
• 25:09
  books.
• 25:09
  Montessori,
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  read
• 25:10
  Steiner.
• 25:11
  I
• 25:11
  read
• 25:11
  different
• 25:12
  educational
• 25:12
  philosophies
• 25:13
  because
• 25:13
  I
• 25:13
  would
• 25:14
  need
• 25:14
  to
• 25:15
  know
• 25:15
  where
• 25:15
  I
• 25:15
  was
• 25:16
  coming
• 25:16
  from.
• 25:16
  Because
• 25:16
  I
• 25:17
  wasn't
• 25:17
  happy
• 25:18
  with
• 25:18
  the
• 25:18
  current
• 25:19
  school
• 25:19
  system.
• 25:21
  I
• 25:21
  didn't
• 25:21
  want
• 25:22
  to
• 25:22
  throw
• 25:22
  the
• 25:22
  baby
• 25:22
  out
• 25:22
  with
• 25:23
  the
• 25:23
  bathwater.
• 25:23
  You
• 25:23
  know,
• 25:24
  obviously
• 25:25
  you
• 25:25
  still
• 25:25
  need
• 25:26
  to
• 25:26
  learn
• 25:26
  things.
• 25:27
  I
• 25:27
  wasn't
• 25:27
  about
• 25:27
  to
• 25:28
  let
• 25:28
  him
• 25:28
  just
• 25:29
  sit
• 25:29
  there
• 25:29
  and
• 25:29
  do
• 25:29
  note
• 25:30
  all
• 25:30
  day.
• 25:32
  And
• 25:32
  I
• 25:32
  had
• 25:32
  my
• 25:32
  own
• 25:33
  ideas
• 25:33
  of
• 25:34
  things
• 25:35
  that
• 25:35
  I
• 25:35
  thought
• 25:35
  were
• 25:36
  important.
• 25:38
  Mainly
• 25:38
  evolved
• 25:39
  around
• 25:39
  literature.
• 25:40
  We
• 25:41
  read
• 25:41
  a
• 25:41
  lot.
• 25:42
  We
• 25:42
  all
• 25:42
  love
• 25:42
  with
• 25:43
  film,
• 25:43
  history,
• 25:44
  nature,
• 25:44
  all
• 25:44
  that
• 25:45
  kind
• 25:45
  of
• 25:45
  thing,
• 25:45
  all
• 25:46
  these.
• 25:47
  And
• 25:47
  he
• 25:47
  had
• 25:48
  obviously
• 25:48
  his
• 25:48
  own
• 25:48
  interests
• 25:49
  as
• 25:49
  well,
• 25:50
  so
• 25:50
  it
• 25:50
  was
• 25:50
  trying
• 25:51
  to
• 25:51
  develop
• 25:51
  in
• 25:51
  that.
• 25:52
  But
• 25:52
  we
• 25:52
  always
• 25:52
  did
• 25:53
  maths
• 25:53
  because
• 25:53
  I
• 25:53
  always
• 25:53
  thought
• 25:54
  maths
• 25:54
  was
• 25:54
  important.
• 25:56
  And
• 25:56
  he
• 25:56
  hadn't
• 25:57
  experienced
• 25:57
  any
• 25:57
  school
• 25:58
  Trauma.
• 25:58
  So
• 25:58
  I
• 25:59
  didn't
• 25:59
  have
• 26:00
  to
• 26:00
  do
• 26:00
  that.
• 26:00
  Oh,
• 26:01
  no,
• 26:02
  nothing
• 26:02
  were
• 26:03
  mentioned.
• 26:03
  No
• 26:03
  mention
• 26:04
  of
• 26:04
  school,
• 26:04
  you
• 26:05
  know,
• 26:05
  no
• 26:05
  mention
• 26:05
  of
• 26:05
  anything.
• 26:06
  But
• 26:06
  there
• 26:07
  were
• 26:07
  certain
• 26:07
  languages,
• 26:08
  certain
• 26:08
  language
• 26:09
  that
• 26:09
  I
• 26:09
  did
• 26:09
  avoid.
• 26:10
  So
• 26:11
  we
• 26:11
  never
• 26:11
  had
• 26:11
  lessons,
• 26:12
  we
• 26:12
  did
• 26:12
  activities.
• 26:14
  You
• 26:14
  know,
• 26:15
  I
• 26:15
  think
• 26:15
  the
• 26:16
  main
• 26:16
  thing
• 26:16
  is
• 26:16
  conversation.
• 26:18
  That
• 26:18
  would
• 26:18
  be
• 26:18
  my
• 26:18
  main
• 26:19
  key
• 26:20
  is
• 26:20
  to
• 26:20
  talk,
• 26:21
  to
• 26:21
  have
• 26:21
  conversations
• 26:22
  with
• 26:22
  your
• 26:23
  child.
• 26:23
  Proper
• 26:23
  conversation,
• 26:24
  you
• 26:24
  know,
• 26:24
  natural
• 26:25
  conversations.
• 26:26
  It
• 26:26
  doesn't
• 26:26
  all
• 26:27
  have.
• 26:27
  Don't
• 26:27
  be
• 26:28
  in
• 26:28
  the
• 26:28
  kit.
• 26:28
  It's
• 26:28
  not
• 26:29
  a
• 26:29
  quiz.
• 26:29
  It's
• 26:30
  not
• 26:30
  finding
• 26:31
  out
• 26:31
  how
• 26:31
  much
• 26:31
  they
• 26:31
  know.
• 26:32
  It's
• 26:33
  just
• 26:33
  have
• 26:33
  that
• 26:34
  conversation
• 26:34
  and
• 26:34
  see
• 26:35
  what
• 26:35
  comes
• 26:35
  out
• 26:36
  of
• 26:36
  that.
• 26:37
  Take
• 26:37
  time
• 26:37
  out
• 26:37
  to
• 26:38
  go
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  do
• 26:38
  those,
• 26:39
  you
• 26:39
  know,
• 26:39
  the.
• 26:40
  The
• 26:40
  school
• 26:40
  trip
• 26:41
  kind
• 26:41
  of
• 26:41
  things,
• 26:42
  Day
• 26:42
  at
• 26:43
  the
• 26:43
  seaside,
• 26:44
  day
• 26:44
  at
• 26:44
  the
• 26:45
  little
• 26:46
  children's
• 26:46
  farm
• 26:47
  or
• 26:47
  whatever.
• 26:47
  You
• 26:47
  know,
• 26:48
  it
• 26:48
  depends
• 26:48
  on
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  ages
• 26:49
  of
• 26:49
  your
• 26:49
  children,
• 26:49
  obviously.
• 26:50
  You
• 26:51
  know,
• 26:51
  if
• 26:51
  you've
• 26:51
  got
• 26:51
  little
• 26:52
  children,
• 26:52
  then,
• 26:52
  you
• 26:53
  know,
• 26:54
  bake.
• 26:55
  Bake.
• 26:55
  I
• 26:56
  know
• 26:56
  baking
• 26:56
  is
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  one
• 26:56
  thing
• 26:57
  that
• 26:57
  everybody
• 26:57
  always
• 26:57
  says,
• 26:57
  do
• 26:57
  lots
• 26:58
  of
• 26:58
  baking.
• 26:58
  It
• 26:58
  covers
• 26:59
  maths,
• 26:59
  it
• 26:59
  covers
• 26:59
  everything.
• 27:00
  But
• 27:01
  it's
• 27:01
  not
• 27:02
  about
• 27:02
  the
• 27:03
  subjects
• 27:03
  that
• 27:03
  it
• 27:04
  covers.
• 27:04
  It's
• 27:04
  about
• 27:05
  doing
• 27:05
  those
• 27:05
  things
• 27:06
  that
• 27:07
  you
• 27:07
  can
• 27:08
  connect
• 27:08
  through
• 27:09
  as
• 27:09
  you're
• 27:09
  baking.
• 27:09
  You
• 27:10
  can
• 27:10
  have
• 27:10
  conversations,
• 27:11
  things
• 27:11
  that.
• 27:12
  That
• 27:12
  are
• 27:12
  relaxing.
• 27:14
  It's
• 27:14
  interesting
• 27:15
  you
• 27:15
  say
• 27:15
  that,
• 27:15
  because
• 27:16
  one
• 27:16
  thing
• 27:16
  I
• 27:17
  found
• 27:18
  that
• 27:18
  helped
• 27:18
  me
• 27:19
  was
• 27:21
  to
• 27:22
  note
• 27:22
  down
• 27:23
  in
• 27:23
  a
• 27:23
  journal.
• 27:24
  I
• 27:24
  had,
• 27:24
  like
• 27:24
  a
• 27:25
  planner
• 27:26
  that
• 27:26
  I
• 27:26
  used,
• 27:27
  and
• 27:27
  I
• 27:27
  would
• 27:27
  kind
• 27:28
  of
• 27:28
  note
• 27:28
  down
• 27:28
  the
• 27:28
  things
• 27:29
  that
• 27:29
  we
• 27:29
  had
• 27:30
  done
• 27:30
  that
• 27:30
  day.
• 27:31
  And
• 27:31
  it
• 27:32
  helped
• 27:32
  me
• 27:32
  to
• 27:32
  get
• 27:33
  a
• 27:33
  sense
• 27:33
  of
• 27:33
  all
• 27:34
  of
• 27:34
  the
• 27:34
  different
• 27:34
  things.
• 27:34
  I
• 27:35
  was
• 27:35
  like,
• 27:35
  oh,
• 27:35
  wow,
• 27:35
  they've
• 27:36
  actually
• 27:36
  done
• 27:36
  a
• 27:36
  lot
• 27:37
  today,
• 27:37
  even
• 27:37
  though
• 27:37
  we
• 27:37
  haven't,
• 27:37
  like,
• 27:38
  sat
• 27:38
  down
• 27:38
  at
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  dining
• 27:39
  table
• 27:39
  with
• 27:39
  books.
• 27:40
  But
• 27:40
  do
• 27:40
  you
• 27:40
  feel
• 27:41
  that
• 27:41
  maybe
• 27:41
  that
• 27:42
  limits
• 27:43
  it
• 27:43
  too
• 27:43
  much
• 27:44
  if
• 27:44
  you
• 27:44
  do
• 27:44
  it
• 27:44
  that
• 27:44
  way,
• 27:45
  rather
• 27:45
  than
• 27:45
  just
• 27:46
  sort
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  doing
• 27:47
  it
• 27:47
  for
• 27:47
  the
• 27:47
  experience?
• 27:48
  Not
• 27:49
  at
• 27:49
  all.
• 27:49
  I
• 27:49
  think
• 27:49
  that's
• 27:50
  a
• 27:50
  really,
• 27:50
  really
• 27:50
  good
• 27:51
  piece
• 27:51
  of
• 27:51
  advice.
• 27:51
  I
• 27:52
  had
• 27:52
  something
• 27:52
  similar
• 27:52
  myself.
• 27:54
  So
• 27:54
  with
• 27:54
  my
• 27:54
  younger
• 27:55
  ones,
• 27:55
  we
• 27:55
  did
• 27:56
  have
• 27:56
  kind
• 27:56
  of
• 27:56
  like
• 27:56
  a
• 27:56
  little
• 27:57
  set
• 27:57
  routine
• 27:57
  that
• 27:58
  worked
• 27:58
  for
• 27:58
  them
• 27:58
  that
• 27:58
  they
• 27:59
  loved.
• 28:00
  And
• 28:00
  so
• 28:01
  some
• 28:01
  of
• 28:01
  that
• 28:01
  would
• 28:01
  involve
• 28:02
  me
• 28:02
  planning
• 28:03
  in
• 28:03
  advance
• 28:03
  what
• 28:03
  we
• 28:04
  were
• 28:04
  going
• 28:04
  to
• 28:04
  do
• 28:05
  the
• 28:05
  next
• 28:05
  day,
• 28:05
  the
• 28:06
  next
• 28:06
  week,
• 28:06
  the
• 28:06
  next
• 28:06
  month
• 28:07
  or
• 28:07
  whatever.
• 28:07
  With
• 28:08
  my
• 28:08
  old
• 28:08
  one,
• 28:09
  it
• 28:09
  was
• 28:09
  much
• 28:09
  more
• 28:09
  sort
• 28:10
  of
• 28:10
  autonomous.
• 28:11
  So
• 28:12
  there
• 28:12
  were
• 28:12
  some
• 28:13
  plans
• 28:13
  made,
• 28:13
  obviously,
• 28:14
  you
• 28:14
  know,
• 28:14
  but
• 28:15
  mostly
• 28:16
  it
• 28:16
  was
• 28:18
  I
• 28:18
  was
• 28:18
  it.
• 28:18
  Because
• 28:18
  it
• 28:19
  was
• 28:19
  only
• 28:19
  him.
• 28:20
  I
• 28:20
  was
• 28:20
  able
• 28:20
  to
• 28:20
  be
• 28:21
  more
• 28:21
  responsive
• 28:22
  to
• 28:22
  his
• 28:23
  interests
• 28:24
  and
• 28:26
  just
• 28:26
  be
• 28:26
  able
• 28:27
  to
• 28:27
  do
• 28:27
  that
• 28:27
  really,
• 28:28
  as
• 28:29
  much
• 28:29
  as
• 28:29
  possible.
• 28:31
  So
• 28:32
  it
• 28:32
  would
• 28:32
  be
• 28:33
  that
• 28:33
  thing
• 28:33
  of
• 28:33
  not
• 28:34
  really
• 28:34
  knowing
• 28:34
  what
• 28:35
  you
• 28:35
  were
• 28:35
  going
• 28:35
  to
• 28:35
  do,
• 28:36
  but
• 28:37
  afterwards
• 28:38
  being
• 28:38
  able
• 28:38
  to
• 28:38
  sit
• 28:38
  down
• 28:39
  and
• 28:39
  say,
• 28:39
  this
• 28:39
  is
• 28:40
  what
• 28:40
  we've
• 28:40
  done.
• 28:42
  You
• 28:42
  can
• 28:42
  see
• 28:42
  the
• 28:43
  learning
• 28:43
  that's
• 28:43
  going
• 28:43
  on
• 28:44
  there.
• 28:44
  And
• 28:44
  I
• 28:44
  thought
• 28:45
  that
• 28:45
  was
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  very
• 28:45
  important
• 28:46
  part
• 28:46
  of
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  deschooling
• 28:47
  process
• 28:48
  because
• 28:48
  it
• 28:48
  does
• 28:49
  help
• 28:49
  you
• 28:49
  to
• 28:49
  see
• 28:50
  what
• 28:51
  they
• 28:51
  have
• 28:51
  learned,
• 28:52
  what
• 28:52
  you've
• 28:53
  talked
• 28:53
  about,
• 28:54
  what
• 28:54
  they're
• 28:55
  interested
• 28:55
  in.
• 28:56
  You
• 28:56
  can
• 28:57
  even
• 28:57
  see
• 28:57
  the
• 28:57
  things
• 28:57
  that
• 28:58
  they're
• 28:58
  not
• 28:58
  interested
• 28:58
  in.
• 28:59
  Make
• 28:59
  a
• 28:59
  note
• 28:59
  of
• 28:59
  that.
• 28:59
  They
• 29:00
  really
• 29:00
  didn't
• 29:00
  like
• 29:00
  that.
• 29:00
  They
• 29:01
  don't
• 29:01
  want
• 29:01
  to
• 29:01
  do
• 29:01
  any
• 29:01
  more
• 29:01
  of
• 29:02
  that.
• 29:02
  Okay.
• 29:02
  So
• 29:02
  that
• 29:02
  goes
• 29:03
  out
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  window.
• 29:04
  That's
• 29:04
  a
• 29:04
  really
• 29:04
  good
• 29:05
  way
• 29:05
  of
• 29:05
  seeing
• 29:06
  what
• 29:06
  learning
• 29:06
  is
• 29:07
  happening,
• 29:08
  especially
• 29:08
  when
• 29:08
  you
• 29:08
  need
• 29:09
  to
• 29:09
  be
• 29:09
  saying,
• 29:09
  I've
• 29:09
  been
• 29:10
  home
• 29:10
  educating
• 29:11
  since
• 29:11
  day
• 29:11
  one
• 29:12
  and
• 29:13
  all
• 29:13
  your
• 29:13
  learning
• 29:14
  is
• 29:14
  happening
• 29:14
  through
• 29:15
  conversation
• 29:16
  and
• 29:16
  engaging.
• 29:17
  As
• 29:17
  you
• 29:17
  say,
• 29:17
  with
• 29:18
  their
• 29:18
  interests.
• 29:18
  I
• 29:19
  know
• 29:19
  that
• 29:19
  there'll
• 29:19
  be
• 29:19
  people
• 29:19
  listening
• 29:20
  who's.
• 29:20
  Maybe
• 29:21
  they've
• 29:21
  taken
• 29:21
  their
• 29:21
  child
• 29:22
  out
• 29:22
  and
• 29:22
  their
• 29:22
  child
• 29:22
  is
• 29:22
  really
• 29:23
  in
• 29:23
  a
• 29:23
  position
• 29:23
  of
• 29:23
  feeling
• 29:24
  very
• 29:24
  demoralized
• 29:24
  with
• 29:25
  learning
• 29:26
  from
• 29:26
  because
• 29:26
  of
• 29:26
  the
• 29:27
  school
• 29:27
  experience.
• 29:27
  And
• 29:27
  they
• 29:28
  may
• 29:28
  be
• 29:28
  sitting,
• 29:29
  listening,
• 29:29
  thinking,
• 29:30
  like,
• 29:30
  my
• 29:31
  child
• 29:31
  isn't
• 29:31
  doing
• 29:31
  anything.
• 29:32
  Like,
• 29:32
  if
• 29:32
  I
• 29:32
  was
• 29:32
  to
• 29:33
  write
• 29:33
  this
• 29:33
  down
• 29:33
  in
• 29:33
  a
• 29:33
  planner,
• 29:34
  it
• 29:34
  would
• 29:34
  be
• 29:34
  Minecraft.
• 29:35
  I
• 29:35
  would
• 29:35
  write
• 29:35
  every
• 29:35
  day.
• 29:36
  Or
• 29:36
  it'd
• 29:36
  be
• 29:36
  Call
• 29:36
  of
• 29:37
  Duty,
• 29:37
  or
• 29:37
  it
• 29:37
  would
• 29:37
  be
• 29:38
  sitting.
• 29:39
  Sitting
• 29:39
  under
• 29:39
  the,
• 29:40
  under
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  duvet.
• 29:41
  Right.
• 29:41
  And
• 29:42
  it
• 29:42
  is
• 29:42
  difficult
• 29:42
  when
• 29:43
  you,
• 29:43
  when
• 29:43
  there's
• 29:44
  a
• 29:44
  period
• 29:44
  where
• 29:44
  you
• 29:44
  really
• 29:45
  feel
• 29:45
  like
• 29:45
  your
• 29:45
  child
• 29:45
  is
• 29:46
  just
• 29:46
  not
• 29:47
  really
• 29:47
  learning
• 29:47
  anything.
• 29:48
  There
• 29:48
  are
• 29:49
  always
• 29:49
  some
• 29:50
  things,
• 29:50
  like
• 29:50
  there
• 29:50
  will
• 29:51
  always
• 29:51
  be
• 29:51
  some
• 29:51
  things
• 29:52
  going
• 29:52
  on.
• 29:53
  So
• 29:53
  engaging
• 29:54
  with
• 29:54
  that
• 29:54
  interest,
• 29:54
  like
• 29:55
  you
• 29:55
  say,
• 29:55
  having
• 29:55
  conversations.
• 29:56
  I
• 29:56
  mean,
• 29:56
  almost
• 29:57
  all
• 29:57
  of
• 29:57
  our
• 29:58
  really
• 29:59
  kind
• 29:59
  of
• 29:59
  diamond
• 30:00
  learning
• 30:00
  was
• 30:00
  took
• 30:01
  part
• 30:01
  as
• 30:01
  part
• 30:01
  of
• 30:02
  a
• 30:02
  conversation.
• 30:02
  That's
• 30:03
  the
• 30:03
  things
• 30:03
  that
• 30:04
  they
• 30:04
  remember
• 30:04
  and
• 30:05
  that's
• 30:05
  the
• 30:05
  things
• 30:05
  that
• 30:05
  I
• 30:06
  remember.
• 30:06
  But
• 30:07
  also,
• 30:07
  I
• 30:07
  think
• 30:07
  it's
• 30:07
  okay
• 30:08
  for
• 30:08
  there
• 30:09
  to
• 30:09
  be
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  period
• 30:09
  of
• 30:10
  time
• 30:10
  where
• 30:11
  learning
• 30:11
  is
• 30:12
  minimal.
• 30:13
  If
• 30:13
  your
• 30:13
  child
• 30:14
  is
• 30:14
  really
• 30:14
  struggling
• 30:15
  and
• 30:15
  they're
• 30:16
  in
• 30:16
  bed
• 30:16
  a
• 30:16
  lot,
• 30:16
  or
• 30:17
  they're
• 30:17
  just
• 30:17
  on
• 30:17
  their
• 30:17
  phone
• 30:18
  a
• 30:18
  lot,
• 30:18
  or
• 30:18
  they're
• 30:18
  not
• 30:18
  really
• 30:19
  engaging.
• 30:20
  That
• 30:20
  is
• 30:21
  part
• 30:21
  of
• 30:21
  this.
• 30:22
  To
• 30:22
  go
• 30:22
  back
• 30:23
  to
• 30:23
  the
• 30:23
  trauma
• 30:23
  idea,
• 30:24
  that
• 30:24
  is
• 30:24
  part
• 30:24
  of
• 30:24
  the
• 30:25
  healing
• 30:25
  response,
• 30:25
  is
• 30:26
  to
• 30:26
  take
• 30:26
  some
• 30:26
  time
• 30:26
  and
• 30:27
  there
• 30:27
  isn't
• 30:27
  a
• 30:28
  big
• 30:28
  rush
• 30:29
  to
• 30:29
  throw
• 30:29
  yourself
• 30:30
  into
• 30:31
  must
• 30:31
  do
• 30:32
  this,
• 30:32
  must
• 30:32
  do
• 30:32
  that.
• 30:33
  Oh,
• 30:33
  no.
• 30:33
  It's
• 30:33
  been
• 30:34
  two
• 30:34
  months
• 30:34
  and
• 30:35
  we've
• 30:36
  not
• 30:36
  done
• 30:36
  any
• 30:37
  proper
• 30:37
  learning.
• 30:37
  Because
• 30:38
  I
• 30:38
  will
• 30:38
  say
• 30:38
  that
• 30:39
  this
• 30:40
  is
• 30:40
  my
• 30:40
  new
• 30:40
  favorite
• 30:41
  anecdote
• 30:42
  and
• 30:42
  I'm
• 30:42
  intending
• 30:42
  to
• 30:42
  throw
• 30:43
  this
• 30:43
  into
• 30:43
  a
• 30:43
  lot
• 30:43
  of
• 30:44
  my
• 30:44
  podcasts
• 30:44
  so
• 30:45
  people
• 30:45
  will
• 30:45
  already
• 30:45
  have
• 30:46
  heard
• 30:46
  this
• 30:46
  one.
• 30:46
  But
• 30:46
  my
• 30:46
  child,
• 30:47
  my
• 30:47
  daughter
• 30:47
  tried
• 30:48
  school
• 30:48
  for
• 30:48
  the
• 30:48
  first
• 30:49
  time
• 30:49
  a
• 30:50
  few
• 30:50
  weeks
• 30:50
  ago,
• 30:51
  and
• 30:51
  she
• 30:51
  came
• 30:51
  home,
• 30:52
  she's
• 30:52
  finished
• 30:52
  already.
• 30:53
  That
• 30:53
  didn't
• 30:53
  last
• 30:54
  long.
• 30:54
  She
• 30:55
  came
• 30:55
  home
• 30:55
  from
• 30:55
  school
• 30:56
  and
• 30:56
  I
• 30:56
  said,
• 30:57
  of
• 30:57
  course,
• 30:57
  because
• 30:57
  I
• 30:57
  want
• 30:58
  to
• 30:58
  know
• 30:58
  everything
• 30:58
  that
• 30:59
  she's
• 30:59
  doing
• 30:59
  because
• 30:59
  I
• 30:59
  find
• 31:00
  it
• 31:00
  fascinating.
• 31:00
  It's
• 31:01
  like
• 31:01
  sleeping
• 31:01
  with
• 31:02
  the
• 31:02
  enemy.
• 31:02
  I'm
• 31:02
  like,
• 31:02
  whoa,
• 31:03
  this
• 31:03
  is
• 31:03
  so
• 31:03
  interesting.
• 31:04
  What
• 31:04
  were
• 31:04
  you
• 31:04
  doing
• 31:04
  at
• 31:04
  school?
• 31:05
  And
• 31:05
  she
• 31:05
  had
• 31:06
  computer
• 31:06
  science.
• 31:06
  And
• 31:06
  I
• 31:07
  said,
• 31:07
  oh,
• 31:07
  you
• 31:07
  know,
• 31:07
  how
• 31:07
  is
• 31:08
  computer
• 31:08
  science?
• 31:09
  And
• 31:09
  she
• 31:09
  said,
• 31:09
  oh
• 31:10
  yeah,
• 31:10
  we
• 31:10
  learned
• 31:10
  to
• 31:10
  send
• 31:11
  an
• 31:11
  email.
• 31:11
  And
• 31:12
  she's
• 31:12
  17.
• 31:13
  And
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  looked
• 31:14
  at
• 31:14
  her
• 31:14
  and
• 31:14
  I
• 31:14
  said,
• 31:14
  well,
• 31:15
  it's
• 31:15
  lucky
• 31:15
  that
• 31:16
  all
• 31:16
  those
• 31:16
  years
• 31:16
  home
• 31:17
  educating,
• 31:17
  we
• 31:17
  didn't
• 31:18
  miss
• 31:18
  too
• 31:18
  much
• 31:18
  at
• 31:18
  school.
• 31:18
  Right.
• 31:19
  Because
• 31:19
  you
• 31:19
  can
• 31:20
  get
• 31:20
  yourself
• 31:20
  in
• 31:20
  this
• 31:21
  idea
• 31:21
  that
• 31:21
  school,
• 31:22
  they're
• 31:22
  missing
• 31:22
  out
• 31:23
  or,
• 31:23
  oh,
• 31:23
  they'd
• 31:23
  have
• 31:23
  done
• 31:24
  this
• 31:24
  and
• 31:24
  that
• 31:24
  in
• 31:24
  school.
• 31:25
  But
• 31:25
  chances
• 31:25
  are
• 31:26
  school
• 31:26
  is
• 31:26
  a
• 31:27
  very
• 31:27
  slow
• 31:27
  process
• 31:28
  of
• 31:28
  learning,
• 31:28
  like,
• 31:29
  and
• 31:29
  then
• 31:29
  they
• 31:30
  go
• 31:30
  through
• 31:30
  it
• 31:30
  again
• 31:31
  and
• 31:31
  again
• 31:31
  and
• 31:31
  again,
• 31:32
  year
• 31:32
  on
• 31:32
  year
• 31:32
  in.
• 31:33
  So
• 31:33
  realistically,
• 31:35
  your
• 31:35
  child
• 31:35
  is
• 31:35
  not
• 31:36
  missing
• 31:36
  out,
• 31:36
  you're
• 31:37
  not
• 31:37
  holding
• 31:37
  them
• 31:37
  back.
• 31:38
  They're
• 31:38
  not
• 31:38
  going
• 31:38
  to
• 31:39
  never
• 31:39
  get
• 31:39
  their
• 31:39
  GCSEs
• 31:40
  because
• 31:40
  they've
• 31:41
  spent
• 31:41
  a
• 31:41
  couple
• 31:41
  of
• 31:41
  months
• 31:41
  under
• 31:42
  their
• 31:42
  duvet
• 31:42
  playing
• 31:43
  Call
• 31:43
  of
• 31:43
  Duty.
• 31:43
  That's
• 31:44
  not
• 31:44
  going
• 31:44
  to
• 31:44
  happen.
• 31:45
  And
• 31:45
  when
• 31:45
  it
• 31:45
  comes
• 31:46
  to
• 31:46
  reports
• 31:46
  and
• 31:47
  la,
• 31:47
  there's
• 31:48
  always
• 31:48
  something,
• 31:48
  like,
• 31:49
  there's
• 31:49
  always
• 31:49
  some
• 31:49
  learning
• 31:50
  taking
• 31:50
  place,
• 31:50
  like
• 31:50
  you
• 31:50
  say.
• 31:51
  So
• 31:51
  I
• 31:51
  suppose
• 31:52
  one
• 31:52
  bit
• 31:52
  of
• 31:52
  advice
• 31:53
  I
• 31:53
  would
• 31:53
  give
• 31:53
  for
• 31:53
  deregging
• 31:54
  and
• 31:54
  deschooling
• 31:55
  is
• 31:55
  just
• 31:55
  to
• 31:56
  relax
• 31:56
  a
• 31:57
  little
• 31:57
  bit
• 31:57
  and
• 31:58
  not
• 31:58
  get
• 31:58
  too
• 31:58
  caught
• 31:59
  up
• 31:59
  in
• 32:00
  what
• 32:00
  you
• 32:00
  should
• 32:00
  and
• 32:00
  shouldn't
• 32:01
  be
• 32:01
  doing
• 32:01
  and
• 32:01
  what
• 32:02
  they
• 32:02
  should
• 32:02
  and
• 32:02
  shouldn't
• 32:02
  be
• 32:02
  learning.
• 32:04
  Absolutely.
• 32:05
  I
• 32:05
  mean,
• 32:05
  the
• 32:05
  Minecraft
• 32:05
  thing,
• 32:06
  I
• 32:06
  remember
• 32:06
  when
• 32:06
  my
• 32:07
  youngest
• 32:07
  started
• 32:07
  playing
• 32:08
  Minecraft
• 32:08
  and
• 32:08
  I
• 32:09
  was,
• 32:09
  I'm
• 32:10
  not
• 32:10
  a
• 32:10
  video
• 32:10
  gamer,
• 32:11
  I'm
• 32:12
  not.
• 32:12
  I'm
• 32:12
  the
• 32:12
  wrong
• 32:13
  age
• 32:13
  group
• 32:13
  for
• 32:14
  that,
• 32:14
  really.
• 32:15
  You
• 32:15
  know,
• 32:15
  Tetris
• 32:16
  was
• 32:16
  about
• 32:16
  my
• 32:17
  limit
• 32:18
  and
• 32:18
  it's
• 32:19
  kind
• 32:19
  of.
• 32:20
  And
• 32:20
  he
• 32:20
  was
• 32:21
  playing
• 32:21
  Minecraft
• 32:22
  and
• 32:22
  because
• 32:22
  he
• 32:22
  was,
• 32:23
  he
• 32:23
  would
• 32:23
  always
• 32:23
  mainly
• 32:24
  be
• 32:24
  online
• 32:24
  playing
• 32:24
  with
• 32:25
  his
• 32:25
  friends
• 32:25
  and
• 32:25
  there
• 32:25
  were
• 32:25
  always
• 32:26
  people
• 32:26
  he
• 32:26
  actually
• 32:26
  knew
• 32:26
  in
• 32:26
  real
• 32:27
  life.
• 32:27
  I
• 32:27
  was,
• 32:27
  was
• 32:28
  very
• 32:28
  strict
• 32:28
  about
• 32:29
  that
• 32:30
  and
• 32:30
  I
• 32:31
  was
• 32:31
  just
• 32:31
  like,
• 32:31
  well,
• 32:31
  what's
• 32:32
  he
• 32:32
  doing?
• 32:32
  You
• 32:32
  know,
• 32:33
  everybody
• 32:33
  keeps
• 32:33
  saying
• 32:34
  it's
• 32:34
  maths,
• 32:34
  it's
• 32:34
  all
• 32:35
  these
• 32:35
  blocks
• 32:35
  and
• 32:35
  all
• 32:36
  these
• 32:36
  things,
• 32:36
  they
• 32:36
  move
• 32:36
  around
• 32:37
  and
• 32:37
  then
• 32:37
  suddenly
• 32:37
  one
• 32:37
  day
• 32:38
  turns
• 32:38
  around
• 32:38
  and
• 32:38
  he
• 32:39
  starts
• 32:39
  telling
• 32:39
  me
• 32:39
  about.
• 32:40
  It
• 32:40
  was
• 32:40
  obsidian
• 32:41
  and
• 32:41
  he
• 32:42
  wanted
• 32:42
  a
• 32:42
  piece
• 32:42
  of
• 32:42
  obsidian
• 32:43
  and
• 32:43
  he
• 32:44
  was
• 32:44
  telling
• 32:44
  me
• 32:44
  all
• 32:44
  about
• 32:45
  the
• 32:45
  properties
• 32:45
  of
• 32:45
  obsidian
• 32:46
  and
• 32:46
  all
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  things
• 32:46
  that
• 32:46
  he'd
• 32:47
  learned
• 32:47
  from
• 32:48
  playing
• 32:48
  Minecraft.
• 32:50
  I
• 32:50
  thought,
• 32:50
  well,
• 32:51
  all
• 32:52
  right,
• 32:52
  then.
• 32:54
  It'S
• 32:54
  true.
• 32:54
  I
• 32:55
  mean,
• 32:55
  it's.
• 32:55
  I
• 32:55
  remember
• 32:55
  when
• 32:56
  my
• 32:56
  daughter
• 32:56
  started
• 32:56
  doing
• 32:57
  Classical
• 32:57
  Civilization.
• 32:58
  So
• 32:58
  she
• 32:58
  was.
• 32:58
  It
• 32:59
  was
• 32:59
  GCSE
• 33:00
  she
• 33:00
  took
• 33:00
  and
• 33:00
  she
• 33:00
  started
• 33:01
  one
• 33:02
  of
• 33:02
  Jake
• 33:03
  from
• 33:03
  Humanity
• 33:03
  is
• 33:04
  Learning,
• 33:04
  started
• 33:04
  one
• 33:05
  of
• 33:05
  his
• 33:05
  courses
• 33:06
  and
• 33:06
  we
• 33:06
  all
• 33:07
  sat
• 33:07
  there
• 33:07
  together
• 33:08
  because
• 33:08
  for
• 33:08
  the
• 33:08
  first
• 33:09
  few
• 33:09
  Lessons.
• 33:09
  I
• 33:09
  always
• 33:09
  like
• 33:09
  to
• 33:10
  sit
• 33:10
  there
• 33:10
  with
• 33:10
  them.
• 33:11
  And
• 33:11
  every
• 33:11
  child
• 33:12
  apart
• 33:12
  from
• 33:12
  her
• 33:13
  had
• 33:13
  read
• 33:13
  the
• 33:13
  Percy
• 33:14
  Jackson
• 33:14
  books.
• 33:14
  Every
• 33:15
  single
• 33:15
  one.
• 33:15
  And
• 33:16
  I
• 33:16
  remember
• 33:16
  afterwards
• 33:17
  I
• 33:17
  looked
• 33:17
  at
• 33:17
  her
• 33:17
  and
• 33:17
  I
• 33:17
  was
• 33:18
  like,
• 33:18
  they've
• 33:18
  all
• 33:19
  just
• 33:19
  come
• 33:19
  to
• 33:19
  this
• 33:19
  from,
• 33:20
  like,
• 33:20
  some
• 33:20
  sort
• 33:20
  of,
• 33:20
  like,
• 33:21
  mythical
• 33:21
  book
• 33:22
  series.
• 33:22
  And
• 33:23
  then
• 33:23
  I
• 33:23
  thought,
• 33:23
  actually,
• 33:24
  that
• 33:24
  is
• 33:24
  really
• 33:24
  cool.
• 33:25
  Like,
• 33:26
  that
• 33:26
  is
• 33:26
  really
• 33:26
  nice
• 33:27
  that
• 33:27
  all
• 33:27
  these
• 33:27
  children
• 33:27
  are
• 33:28
  now
• 33:28
  doing
• 33:28
  Classical
• 33:28
  Civilizations
• 33:29
  because
• 33:29
  of
• 33:30
  reading
• 33:31
  pretty
• 33:31
  trashy
• 33:32
  books,
• 33:32
  you
• 33:32
  know?
• 33:32
  And
• 33:33
  I
• 33:33
  really.
• 33:33
  If
• 33:34
  Percy
• 33:34
  Jackson's
• 33:34
  listening,
• 33:35
  no
• 33:35
  way.
• 33:35
  He
• 33:35
  didn't
• 33:35
  write
• 33:36
  it.
• 33:36
  Rick
• 33:36
  Reardon.
• 33:37
  I
• 33:37
  don't
• 33:37
  know.
• 33:37
  I
• 33:37
  apologize.
• 33:38
  They're
• 33:38
  not
• 33:38
  trashy,
• 33:38
  but
• 33:39
  you
• 33:39
  know
• 33:39
  what
• 33:39
  I
• 33:39
  mean.
• 33:39
  They're
• 33:40
  light,
• 33:40
  you
• 33:40
  know,
• 33:41
  you're
• 33:41
  not
• 33:41
  talking.
• 33:42
  She
• 33:43
  wasn't
• 33:43
  reading
• 33:43
  Homer.
• 33:44
  It
• 33:44
  was
• 33:44
  something
• 33:45
  quite
• 33:45
  light.
• 33:45
  And
• 33:45
  they've
• 33:45
  all
• 33:46
  come
• 33:46
  to
• 33:46
  Classical
• 33:47
  civilization
• 33:47
  through
• 33:48
  that.
• 33:48
  And
• 33:48
  this
• 33:49
  is
• 33:49
  the
• 33:49
  thing
• 33:49
  is
• 33:49
  there
• 33:49
  are
• 33:49
  all
• 33:50
  these
• 33:50
  different
• 33:50
  routes.
• 33:50
  Now,
• 33:51
  I'm
• 33:51
  not
• 33:51
  going
• 33:51
  to
• 33:51
  sit
• 33:51
  here
• 33:51
  and
• 33:52
  say,
• 33:52
  because
• 33:52
  I'm
• 33:52
  a
• 33:52
  little
• 33:52
  bit
• 33:53
  like
• 33:53
  you.
• 33:53
  I'm
• 33:54
  not.
• 33:54
  We
• 33:54
  ought
• 33:54
  to
• 33:54
  do
• 33:55
  a
• 33:55
  podcast,
• 33:55
  actually,
• 33:55
  about
• 33:56
  gaming,
• 33:56
  because
• 33:58
  I
• 33:58
  have
• 33:58
  quite
• 33:59
  strong
• 33:59
  opinions
• 33:59
  about
• 33:59
  gaming
• 34:00
  as
• 34:00
  well.
• 34:00
  And
• 34:01
  I
• 34:01
  would
• 34:01
  struggle
• 34:02
  if
• 34:03
  my
• 34:03
  child
• 34:03
  was
• 34:03
  doing
• 34:03
  a
• 34:03
  lot
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  Call
• 34:04
  of
• 34:04
  Duty
• 34:05
  or,
• 34:06
  like,
• 34:06
  I
• 34:06
  don't
• 34:06
  know,
• 34:06
  any
• 34:07
  of
• 34:07
  those
• 34:07
  kind
• 34:07
  of,
• 34:07
  like,
• 34:08
  slightly
• 34:08
  aggressive
• 34:08
  games,
• 34:09
  but
• 34:09
  I'm
• 34:10
  guessing.
• 34:10
  I
• 34:10
  don't
• 34:10
  know.
• 34:10
  I've
• 34:11
  never
• 34:11
  played.
• 34:11
  But
• 34:12
  my
• 34:12
  guess
• 34:12
  is
• 34:13
  that
• 34:13
  even
• 34:14
  those
• 34:14
  kind
• 34:14
  of
• 34:15
  games
• 34:15
  will
• 34:15
  have
• 34:15
  some
• 34:16
  sort
• 34:16
  of
• 34:16
  learning
• 34:17
  in
• 34:17
  there.
• 34:17
  Even
• 34:18
  if
• 34:18
  it's
• 34:18
  collaboration
• 34:19
  with
• 34:20
  people
• 34:20
  on
• 34:20
  mics
• 34:21
  or
• 34:21
  whatever
• 34:21
  it
• 34:21
  is,
• 34:22
  there's
• 34:22
  something.
• 34:22
  There's
• 34:23
  something
• 34:23
  going
• 34:23
  on.
• 34:24
  And
• 34:24
  at
• 34:24
  the
• 34:24
  very
• 34:25
  least,
• 34:25
  if
• 34:26
  your
• 34:26
  child
• 34:26
  is
• 34:26
  hiding
• 34:26
  under
• 34:27
  a
• 34:27
  duvet
• 34:27
  for
• 34:28
  two
• 34:28
  months,
• 34:28
  they
• 34:28
  are
• 34:29
  doing
• 34:29
  some
• 34:29
  internal
• 34:30
  work
• 34:30
  where
• 34:30
  they're
• 34:31
  processing
• 34:31
  through
• 34:31
  something,
• 34:32
  and
• 34:32
  that's
• 34:32
  an
• 34:32
  opportunity
• 34:33
  to
• 34:33
  engage
• 34:33
  with
• 34:33
  them
• 34:34
  with
• 34:34
  it,
• 34:34
  if
• 34:34
  you
• 34:34
  can.
• 34:35
  So
• 34:35
  there's
• 34:35
  always
• 34:35
  something,
• 34:36
  isn't
• 34:36
  there?
• 34:37
  Absolutely.
• 34:38
  Absolutely.
• 34:38
  Definitely.
• 34:39
  You
• 34:39
  know,
• 34:40
  they're
• 34:40
  learning
• 34:40
  about
• 34:40
  themselves
• 34:41
  at
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  same
• 34:42
  time.
• 34:42
  Yeah,
• 34:43
  I
• 34:43
  would
• 34:44
  struggle
• 34:45
  personally.
• 34:46
  And
• 34:46
  I'm
• 34:46
  not
• 34:46
  saying
• 34:46
  this,
• 34:47
  that
• 34:47
  it's
• 34:47
  wrong
• 34:47
  in
• 34:48
  any
• 34:48
  way.
• 34:48
  It's
• 34:48
  just
• 34:49
  a
• 34:49
  reflection,
• 34:49
  like
• 34:49
  I
• 34:50
  say,
• 34:50
  on
• 34:50
  my
• 34:50
  own
• 34:51
  thoughts
• 34:52
  on
• 34:52
  video
• 34:52
  games
• 34:52
  and
• 34:53
  the
• 34:53
  fact
• 34:53
  that
• 34:53
  I'm
• 34:53
  not
• 34:53
  a
• 34:54
  video
• 34:54
  gamer.
• 34:54
  And
• 34:55
  I
• 34:55
  don't
• 34:55
  see
• 34:55
  the.
• 34:57
  I.
• 34:57
  I
• 34:57
  don't
• 34:57
  see.
• 34:59
  For
• 34:59
  me,
• 35:00
  if
• 35:00
  I
• 35:00
  spent
• 35:01
  my
• 35:01
  time
• 35:02
  playing
• 35:02
  video
• 35:03
  games,
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  would
• 35:03
  feel
• 35:04
  like
• 35:04
  I
• 35:04
  was
• 35:04
  wasting
• 35:05
  my
• 35:05
  time.
• 35:07
  But
• 35:07
  that's
• 35:07
  different,
• 35:08
  you
• 35:08
  know,
• 35:09
  it's.
• 35:09
  It
• 35:09
  doesn't
• 35:10
  mean
• 35:10
  to
• 35:10
  say
• 35:10
  he's
• 35:10
  a
• 35:10
  waste
• 35:11
  of
• 35:11
  time.
• 35:12
  And
• 35:12
  also,
• 35:13
  what
• 35:13
  we're
• 35:13
  talking
• 35:13
  about
• 35:14
  here,
• 35:14
  and
• 35:14
  I
• 35:14
  think
• 35:14
  this
• 35:14
  is
• 35:15
  something
• 35:15
  we
• 35:15
  haven't
• 35:15
  talked
• 35:16
  about
• 35:16
  that
• 35:16
  I'd
• 35:16
  like
• 35:16
  to,
• 35:17
  is
• 35:18
  that
• 35:18
  it's
• 35:18
  for
• 35:18
  a
• 35:18
  period
• 35:19
  of
• 35:19
  Time,
• 35:19
  isn't
• 35:20
  it?
• 35:20
  Now,
• 35:20
  I
• 35:20
  know
• 35:20
  you
• 35:20
  said
• 35:21
  that
• 35:21
  deschooling
• 35:22
  goes
• 35:22
  on
• 35:22
  forever
• 35:22
  and
• 35:23
  elements
• 35:23
  of
• 35:23
  it
• 35:23
  definitely
• 35:24
  do,
• 35:24
  but
• 35:25
  that
• 35:25
  doesn't
• 35:25
  mean
• 35:26
  that
• 35:26
  you
• 35:27
  have
• 35:27
  to
• 35:28
  have
• 35:28
  this
• 35:28
  approach
• 35:29
  where
• 35:29
  you're
• 35:29
  very
• 35:29
  focused
• 35:30
  on
• 35:30
  learning.
• 35:31
  Happens
• 35:31
  everywhere.
• 35:32
  Let
• 35:32
  your
• 35:32
  child
• 35:32
  heal.
• 35:34
  Recognize
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  you
• 35:35
  have
• 35:35
  to
• 35:36
  do
• 35:36
  work
• 35:36
  yourself
• 35:37
  about
• 35:37
  shoulds
• 35:38
  and
• 35:38
  shouldn'ts
• 35:39
  and
• 35:39
  expectations.
• 35:41
  You're
• 35:41
  really
• 35:41
  talking
• 35:42
  a
• 35:42
  shortish
• 35:43
  period
• 35:43
  right
• 35:43
  at
• 35:43
  the
• 35:43
  very
• 35:43
  start
• 35:44
  where
• 35:44
  you
• 35:44
  have
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  do
• 35:44
  this
• 35:44
  intense
• 35:45
  work.
• 35:45
  It's.
• 35:46
  I
• 35:46
  say
• 35:46
  intense,
• 35:46
  but
• 35:47
  you
• 35:47
  know
• 35:47
  what
• 35:47
  I
• 35:47
  mean,
• 35:47
  Focused
• 35:48
  work.
• 35:49
  Yeah,
• 35:49
  absolutely.
• 35:49
  I
• 35:50
  think
• 35:50
  it.
• 35:50
  Because
• 35:50
  it
• 35:50
  is
• 35:51
  that
• 35:51
  period
• 35:51
  of
• 35:51
  adjustment,
• 35:52
  you
• 35:52
  know,
• 35:53
  I
• 35:53
  don't
• 35:53
  even
• 35:53
  see
• 35:54
  it
• 35:54
  as
• 35:54
  doing
• 35:55
  well.
• 35:55
  I
• 35:55
  don't
• 35:55
  think
• 35:55
  there's
• 35:56
  a
• 35:56
  time
• 35:56
  limit
• 35:56
  to
• 35:56
  it.
• 35:57
  That's
• 35:57
  what
• 35:57
  I'm
• 35:57
  trying
• 35:57
  to
• 35:57
  say.
• 35:57
  There
• 35:58
  isn't
• 35:58
  a
• 35:58
  time
• 35:58
  limit
• 35:59
  to
• 35:59
  it.
• 35:59
  For
• 35:59
  some
• 36:00
  people,
• 36:01
  it
• 36:01
  might
• 36:01
  be
• 36:02
  a
• 36:02
  very
• 36:03
  short
• 36:03
  period
• 36:03
  of
• 36:04
  time.
• 36:04
  They
• 36:05
  might
• 36:05
  find
• 36:05
  that
• 36:06
  their
• 36:06
  child
• 36:07
  is
• 36:07
  suddenly
• 36:08
  ahead
• 36:08
  of
• 36:09
  the
• 36:09
  game,
• 36:09
  especially
• 36:10
  if
• 36:10
  they're
• 36:10
  younger
• 36:10
  and
• 36:10
  they've
• 36:11
  not
• 36:11
  had
• 36:11
  such
• 36:11
  a
• 36:11
  tough
• 36:11
  time
• 36:12
  in
• 36:12
  school.
• 36:13
  Their
• 36:13
  kid
• 36:13
  could
• 36:13
  come
• 36:14
  down
• 36:14
  one
• 36:14
  day
• 36:14
  and
• 36:14
  say,
• 36:14
  okay,
• 36:16
  I
• 36:16
  want
• 36:16
  to
• 36:17
  do
• 36:17
  some
• 36:17
  maths
• 36:17
  today.
• 36:18
  I
• 36:18
  want
• 36:18
  to
• 36:18
  read
• 36:18
  this
• 36:18
  book,
• 36:19
  I
• 36:19
  want
• 36:19
  to
• 36:19
  learn
• 36:19
  how
• 36:20
  to
• 36:20
  do
• 36:20
  this.
• 36:21
  I
• 36:21
  missed
• 36:21
  this
• 36:21
  about
• 36:22
  school.
• 36:22
  You
• 36:23
  can
• 36:23
  respond
• 36:23
  to
• 36:23
  that
• 36:24
  and
• 36:25
  that
• 36:25
  can
• 36:25
  be
• 36:25
  your
• 36:25
  way
• 36:26
  in.
• 36:26
  Is
• 36:26
  that
• 36:27
  how
• 36:27
  you
• 36:27
  would
• 36:27
  know
• 36:28
  that
• 36:28
  the
• 36:28
  deschooling,
• 36:30
  that
• 36:30
  sort
• 36:30
  of,
• 36:31
  very
• 36:31
  first
• 36:31
  bit
• 36:32
  of
• 36:32
  the
• 36:32
  deschooling
• 36:33
  process
• 36:33
  is
• 36:34
  maybe
• 36:34
  over?
• 36:34
  When
• 36:35
  your
• 36:35
  child
• 36:36
  spontaneously
• 36:37
  and
• 36:37
  proactively
• 36:38
  engages
• 36:38
  with
• 36:38
  their
• 36:39
  learning,
• 36:39
  would
• 36:39
  you
• 36:39
  say
• 36:39
  that
• 36:40
  that's
• 36:40
  what
• 36:40
  you're
• 36:41
  looking
• 36:41
  for?
• 36:43
  Possibly.
• 36:43
  You
• 36:44
  know,
• 36:44
  I
• 36:44
  don't
• 36:45
  know.
• 36:45
  It
• 36:45
  could
• 36:46
  just
• 36:46
  be.
• 36:47
  See,
• 36:48
  it's,
• 36:48
  it's.
• 36:48
  It
• 36:49
  is
• 36:49
  a
• 36:49
  tricky
• 36:49
  one
• 36:49
  for
• 36:49
  me
• 36:50
  to
• 36:50
  answer
• 36:50
  because
• 36:50
  we
• 36:51
  just,
• 36:52
  we
• 36:52
  just
• 36:53
  kind
• 36:53
  of
• 36:53
  cracked
• 36:53
  on,
• 36:55
  you
• 36:55
  know,
• 36:55
  and
• 36:56
  we
• 36:56
  didn't
• 36:56
  do.
• 36:57
  I
• 36:57
  didn't
• 36:57
  do
• 36:58
  any
• 36:58
  kind
• 36:59
  of
• 36:59
  like,
• 36:59
  apart
• 37:00
  from.
• 37:00
  I
• 37:01
  really
• 37:01
  want
• 37:01
  you
• 37:01
  to
• 37:01
  keep
• 37:01
  up
• 37:01
  with
• 37:02
  some
• 37:02
  maths
• 37:02
  and
• 37:02
  we're
• 37:02
  going
• 37:02
  to
• 37:03
  do
• 37:03
  some
• 37:03
  maths
• 37:03
  now
• 37:03
  and
• 37:03
  again
• 37:04
  and,
• 37:04
  and
• 37:04
  reading.
• 37:05
  I
• 37:05
  always
• 37:05
  read
• 37:06
  aloud
• 37:06
  to
• 37:06
  my
• 37:06
  kids.
• 37:07
  Always,
• 37:07
  always,
• 37:08
  always
• 37:08
  right
• 37:09
  up
• 37:09
  until
• 37:09
  they
• 37:09
  were
• 37:09
  about
• 37:10
  16.
• 37:11
  So
• 37:12
  we.
• 37:12
  There
• 37:12
  were
• 37:12
  parts
• 37:13
  of
• 37:13
  what
• 37:13
  I
• 37:13
  would
• 37:14
  consider
• 37:14
  to
• 37:14
  be
• 37:14
  a
• 37:14
  deschooling
• 37:15
  process
• 37:15
  were
• 37:16
  actually
• 37:16
  part
• 37:16
  of
• 37:17
  our
• 37:17
  everyday
• 37:17
  life
• 37:17
  anyway.
• 37:19
  And
• 37:19
  I
• 37:20
  was
• 37:20
  always
• 37:21
  very
• 37:22
  proactive.
• 37:22
  Even
• 37:23
  before
• 37:23
  my
• 37:23
  eldest
• 37:24
  went
• 37:24
  to
• 37:24
  school.
• 37:25
  I
• 37:26
  was
• 37:26
  quite,
• 37:26
  as
• 37:27
  most
• 37:27
  parents
• 37:27
  are,
• 37:28
  you
• 37:28
  know,
• 37:28
  quite
• 37:28
  proactive
• 37:29
  in,
• 37:29
  you
• 37:29
  know,
• 37:29
  things
• 37:30
  like
• 37:30
  learning
• 37:30
  colours,
• 37:31
  learning
• 37:31
  letter
• 37:32
  shapes,
• 37:32
  learning
• 37:32
  number
• 37:33
  shapes,
• 37:34
  you
• 37:34
  know,
• 37:34
  all
• 37:34
  these
• 37:34
  different
• 37:35
  skills
• 37:35
  that
• 37:36
  we
• 37:36
  do
• 37:36
  with
• 37:36
  our
• 37:37
  children
• 37:38
  through
• 37:38
  play.
• 37:39
  So
• 37:40
  we
• 37:40
  play
• 37:41
  sit
• 37:41
  down,
• 37:41
  you
• 37:41
  know,
• 37:42
  with
• 37:42
  a
• 37:42
  little.
• 37:42
  With
• 37:42
  a
• 37:42
  toddler,
• 37:43
  you
• 37:43
  sit
• 37:43
  down
• 37:43
  with
• 37:44
  a
• 37:44
  shape
• 37:44
  sorter
• 37:44
  box
• 37:45
  to
• 37:46
  show
• 37:46
  them
• 37:46
  how
• 37:46
  to
• 37:46
  do
• 37:47
  it
• 37:47
  and
• 37:47
  eventually
• 37:48
  they'll
• 37:48
  do
• 37:48
  it
• 37:48
  by
• 37:48
  themselves.
• 37:50
  It's
• 37:50
  that
• 37:51
  kind
• 37:51
  of
• 37:51
  attitude
• 37:52
  that
• 37:53
  carried
• 37:53
  me
• 37:54
  forward
• 37:54
  through
• 37:55
  home
• 37:55
  educating.
• 37:57
  I
• 37:57
  think
• 37:58
  that
• 37:58
  what
• 37:58
  you're
• 37:58
  describing
• 37:59
  is
• 38:00
  that
• 38:00
  there's
• 38:00
  an
• 38:01
  initial
• 38:01
  period
• 38:01
  where
• 38:02
  you're
• 38:02
  learning
• 38:02
  the
• 38:03
  concepts
• 38:04
  of
• 38:04
  what
• 38:04
  home
• 38:04
  education
• 38:05
  and
• 38:05
  what
• 38:05
  learning
• 38:05
  is
• 38:06
  and
• 38:06
  you're
• 38:06
  unlearning
• 38:07
  the
• 38:07
  concepts
• 38:08
  that
• 38:08
  you
• 38:08
  brought
• 38:08
  in
• 38:09
  from
• 38:09
  school.
• 38:09
  That
• 38:10
  process
• 38:10
  never
• 38:11
  ends.
• 38:11
  Maybe
• 38:11
  that
• 38:12
  initial
• 38:12
  period
• 38:13
  is
• 38:13
  when
• 38:13
  you're
• 38:14
  unlearning
• 38:14
  and
• 38:15
  relearning
• 38:16
  and
• 38:16
  then
• 38:17
  it
• 38:17
  kind
• 38:17
  of
• 38:18
  almost
• 38:18
  becomes
• 38:19
  a
• 38:19
  way
• 38:19
  of
• 38:19
  life.
• 38:19
  It
• 38:20
  becomes
• 38:20
  sort
• 38:20
  of
• 38:21
  diffused
• 38:22
  into
• 38:22
  what
• 38:23
  is
• 38:23
  your
• 38:23
  journey
• 38:23
  then?
• 38:24
  Absolutely.
• 38:25
  I
• 38:25
  think
• 38:25
  part
• 38:26
  of
• 38:26
  the
• 38:26
  deschooling
• 38:27
  process
• 38:27
  for
• 38:27
  a
• 38:27
  parent
• 38:29
  is
• 38:30
  remembering
• 38:31
  and
• 38:31
  rediscovering
• 38:33
  that
• 38:34
  your
• 38:34
  own
• 38:35
  input
• 38:36
  is
• 38:36
  as
• 38:37
  valid
• 38:38
  as
• 38:38
  the
• 38:38
  input
• 38:39
  of
• 38:39
  a
• 38:39
  school
• 38:40
  teacher.
• 38:42
  That
• 38:42
  school
• 38:43
  teachers,
• 38:44
  they
• 38:44
  teach
• 38:45
  in
• 38:45
  classrooms.
• 38:46
  But
• 38:46
  the
• 38:47
  education
• 38:47
  you
• 38:47
  provide
• 38:48
  is
• 38:49
  just
• 38:49
  as
• 38:49
  valuable
• 38:49
  as
• 38:50
  the
• 38:50
  education
• 38:50
  they
• 38:51
  provide
• 38:52
  and
• 38:52
  possibly
• 38:53
  more
• 38:53
  so
• 38:54
  because
• 38:54
  the
• 38:55
  education
• 38:55
  you
• 38:55
  provide
• 38:56
  is,
• 38:57
  is
• 38:57
  tailored
• 38:57
  to
• 38:58
  your
• 38:58
  child.
• 38:59
  Yeah.
• 38:59
  And
• 39:00
  I
• 39:00
  think
• 39:00
  that
• 39:00
  one,
• 39:01
  one
• 39:01
  thing
• 39:02
  from
• 39:02
  my
• 39:02
  kind
• 39:03
  of
• 39:03
  anecdote
• 39:04
  about,
• 39:04
  about
• 39:04
  my
• 39:04
  daughter's
• 39:05
  school
• 39:06
  is
• 39:06
  that
• 39:06
  I
• 39:07
  think
• 39:07
  we
• 39:07
  have
• 39:07
  this
• 39:08
  perception
• 39:09
  of
• 39:09
  school
• 39:09
  as
• 39:10
  this.
• 39:10
  Oh,
• 39:10
  they're
• 39:10
  doing
• 39:11
  everything
• 39:11
  right.
• 39:11
  And
• 39:12
  oh,
• 39:12
  the
• 39:12
  teachers
• 39:13
  are
• 39:13
  amazing
• 39:13
  at
• 39:13
  teaching
• 39:14
  this
• 39:14
  or
• 39:14
  teaching
• 39:14
  that.
• 39:15
  Now
• 39:15
  my
• 39:15
  daughter
• 39:15
  tried
• 39:16
  at
• 39:16
  school
• 39:16
  at
• 39:16
  a
• 39:16
  very
• 39:17
  good
• 39:17
  school
• 39:18
  here
• 39:18
  in
• 39:18
  Ireland.
• 39:18
  Right.
• 39:19
  Very,
• 39:19
  very
• 39:19
  good
• 39:20
  school.
• 39:20
  Everything
• 39:21
  was
• 39:21
  right.
• 39:22
  You
• 39:22
  know,
• 39:22
  it
• 39:22
  was
• 39:22
  all
• 39:22
  really
• 39:23
  good.
• 39:23
  And
• 39:24
  yet
• 39:25
  I
• 39:25
  was
• 39:25
  staggered
• 39:26
  by
• 39:26
  how
• 39:27
  little
• 39:27
  actual
• 39:27
  learning
• 39:28
  took
• 39:28
  place.
• 39:28
  And
• 39:28
  I
• 39:29
  think
• 39:30
  we
• 39:30
  can
• 39:30
  end
• 39:30
  up
• 39:31
  thinking,
• 39:32
  oh,
• 39:32
  like,
• 39:33
  can
• 39:33
  I
• 39:34
  do
• 39:34
  this?
• 39:35
  Have
• 39:35
  I
• 39:35
  got
• 39:35
  enough
• 39:35
  skills
• 39:36
  to
• 39:36
  do
• 39:36
  this?
• 39:37
  The
• 39:37
  teacher
• 39:38
  is
• 39:38
  so
• 39:38
  much
• 39:39
  better
• 39:39
  at
• 39:39
  this.
• 39:39
  But
• 39:39
  actually
• 39:41
  that
• 39:41
  one
• 39:41
  to
• 39:41
  one
• 39:42
  experience
• 39:42
  you
• 39:43
  have
• 39:43
  with
• 39:43
  your
• 39:43
  child
• 39:43
  and
• 39:44
  the
• 39:44
  knowledge
• 39:44
  you
• 39:44
  have
• 39:44
  with
• 39:45
  your
• 39:45
  child
• 39:45
  is
• 39:45
  worth
• 39:46
  a
• 39:46
  huge
• 39:46
  amount
• 39:47
  of
• 39:47
  inadvertent
• 39:48
  commerce
• 39:49
  skills
• 39:49
  that
• 39:50
  teachers
• 39:50
  have.
• 39:50
  I'm
• 39:51
  not
• 39:51
  saying
• 39:51
  they
• 39:51
  don't
• 39:51
  have
• 39:51
  skills,
• 39:51
  they
• 39:52
  have
• 39:52
  skills,
• 39:52
  but
• 39:52
  I'm
• 39:52
  just
• 39:52
  saying
• 39:53
  that
• 39:53
  we
• 39:53
  have
• 39:53
  skills
• 39:54
  as
• 39:54
  well
• 39:54
  as
• 39:54
  parents,
• 39:55
  right?
• 39:55
  Absolutely,
• 39:56
  absolutely.
• 39:57
  And
• 39:57
  I
• 39:57
  think
• 39:57
  as
• 39:57
  a
• 39:57
  parent
• 39:58
  that
• 39:58
  can
• 39:58
  be
• 39:58
  one
• 39:59
  of
• 39:59
  the
• 39:59
  most
• 39:59
  daunting
• 39:59
  things
• 40:00
  when
• 40:00
  you're
• 40:00
  starting
• 40:00
  out,
• 40:01
  especially
• 40:01
  if
• 40:01
  you've
• 40:01
  not
• 40:03
  thought
• 40:03
  that
• 40:03
  you're
• 40:03
  going
• 40:03
  to
• 40:03
  be
• 40:04
  coming,
• 40:04
  you're
• 40:04
  going
• 40:04
  to
• 40:04
  end
• 40:05
  up
• 40:05
  home
• 40:05
  educating.
• 40:06
  You
• 40:07
  might
• 40:07
  have
• 40:07
  family
• 40:07
  and
• 40:07
  friends
• 40:07
  around
• 40:08
  you
• 40:08
  as
• 40:08
  well
• 40:08
  who
• 40:08
  are
• 40:08
  sort
• 40:08
  of
• 40:09
  saying,
• 40:09
  what
• 40:09
  makes
• 40:09
  you
• 40:09
  think
• 40:10
  you
• 40:10
  can
• 40:10
  do
• 40:10
  this?
• 40:10
  And
• 40:11
  we
• 40:11
  get
• 40:11
  a
• 40:11
  lot
• 40:11
  of
• 40:12
  that,
• 40:12
  don't
• 40:12
  we?
• 40:12
  Absolutely.
• 40:13
  People
• 40:13
  will
• 40:13
  ask
• 40:14
  you,
• 40:14
  do
• 40:14
  you
• 40:14
  have
• 40:14
  a
• 40:14
  teaching
• 40:14
  degree?
• 40:15
  And
• 40:15
  it's
• 40:15
  like,
• 40:15
  well,
• 40:15
  no,
• 40:16
  you
• 40:16
  know.
• 40:16
  I
• 40:16
  don't
• 40:17
  actually,
• 40:17
  I
• 40:17
  have.
• 40:17
  Which
• 40:18
  has
• 40:18
  always
• 40:18
  been
• 40:18
  hilarious
• 40:19
  because
• 40:19
  I've
• 40:19
  always
• 40:19
  been
• 40:20
  able
• 40:20
  to
• 40:20
  say
• 40:20
  yes
• 40:20
  and
• 40:20
  then
• 40:20
  watch
• 40:21
  that
• 40:21
  rather
• 40:21
  their
• 40:22
  face
• 40:22
  Go
• 40:22
  a
• 40:22
  little
• 40:22
  bit
• 40:23
  quieter.
• 40:23
  But
• 40:23
  yeah,
• 40:24
  no,
• 40:24
  but
• 40:24
  it
• 40:24
  is,
• 40:24
  it
• 40:24
  is.
• 40:25
  That
• 40:26
  is
• 40:26
  a
• 40:26
  really
• 40:26
  common
• 40:26
  thing,
• 40:27
  is
• 40:27
  you
• 40:27
  end
• 40:27
  up
• 40:27
  having
• 40:27
  to
• 40:28
  justify
• 40:29
  to
• 40:29
  other
• 40:30
  people
• 40:30
  and
• 40:30
  that
• 40:31
  in
• 40:31
  having
• 40:31
  to
• 40:31
  do
• 40:32
  that,
• 40:32
  it
• 40:32
  raises
• 40:32
  doubts
• 40:33
  in
• 40:33
  yourself.
• 40:33
  So
• 40:34
  what
• 40:34
  can
• 40:34
  we
• 40:34
  suggest
• 40:35
  to
• 40:35
  people
• 40:35
  then
• 40:35
  to
• 40:36
  help
• 40:36
  them
• 40:36
  with
• 40:36
  that
• 40:37
  part
• 40:37
  of
• 40:37
  deschooling,
• 40:38
  you
• 40:39
  know,
• 40:39
  that
• 40:39
  kind
• 40:39
  of
• 40:40
  uncertainty
• 40:41
  about
• 40:42
  whether
• 40:42
  you're
• 40:42
  actually
• 40:42
  valid
• 40:43
  in
• 40:43
  what
• 40:43
  you're
• 40:43
  doing?
• 40:44
  I
• 40:44
  would
• 40:44
  say
• 40:45
  connect
• 40:45
  with
• 40:45
  your
• 40:45
  local
• 40:45
  home
• 40:46
  ed
• 40:46
  community,
• 40:47
  really.
• 40:48
  And
• 40:49
  hopefully
• 40:51
  meet
• 40:51
  home
• 40:51
  educators
• 40:52
  in
• 40:52
  real
• 40:52
  life.
• 40:53
  Talk
• 40:53
  to
• 40:53
  home
• 40:54
  educators
• 40:55
  who
• 40:55
  have
• 40:55
  been
• 40:55
  home
• 40:56
  educating
• 40:57
  for
• 40:58
  a
• 40:58
  long
• 40:58
  time,
• 40:58
  not
• 40:59
  just
• 40:59
  new
• 40:59
  home
• 40:59
  educators.
• 41:01
  Yeah,
• 41:02
  I'd
• 41:03
  say
• 41:04
  really
• 41:04
  trusting
• 41:05
  yourself
• 41:05
  as
• 41:05
  a
• 41:05
  parent
• 41:07
  because
• 41:07
  you
• 41:07
  have
• 41:07
  got
• 41:08
  skills,
• 41:09
  you've
• 41:09
  got.
• 41:09
  You
• 41:10
  know,
• 41:10
  we
• 41:10
  did
• 41:11
  help
• 41:11
  our
• 41:11
  children
• 41:12
  to
• 41:12
  learn
• 41:13
  to
• 41:13
  do
• 41:13
  things
• 41:14
  before
• 41:14
  they
• 41:15
  went
• 41:15
  to
• 41:15
  school.
• 41:15
  We
• 41:16
  helped
• 41:16
  our
• 41:16
  children
• 41:17
  to
• 41:17
  learn
• 41:17
  to
• 41:17
  do
• 41:17
  things
• 41:18
  while
• 41:18
  they
• 41:18
  were
• 41:19
  at
• 41:19
  school.
• 41:20
  And
• 41:20
  you
• 41:20
  can
• 41:21
  still
• 41:21
  help
• 41:21
  your
• 41:21
  children
• 41:22
  to
• 41:22
  learn
• 41:22
  to
• 41:22
  do
• 41:22
  things
• 41:23
  once
• 41:23
  they're
• 41:23
  out
• 41:23
  of
• 41:24
  school.
• 41:24
  It's
• 41:24
  just
• 41:25
  you're
• 41:25
  helping
• 41:25
  them
• 41:25
  to
• 41:26
  learn
• 41:26
  to
• 41:26
  do
• 41:26
  more
• 41:26
  things
• 41:27
  more
• 41:28
  of
• 41:28
  the
• 41:28
  time
• 41:29
  and
• 41:30
  be
• 41:30
  prepared
• 41:31
  to
• 41:31
  learn
• 41:31
  alongside
• 41:32
  them.
• 41:33
  Because
• 41:33
  teaching
• 41:35
  I
• 41:35
  may
• 41:35
  have
• 41:36
  changed,
• 41:36
  I
• 41:36
  don't
• 41:37
  know.
• 41:37
  But
• 41:37
  my
• 41:37
  experience
• 41:38
  of
• 41:38
  school
• 41:38
  was
• 41:39
  that
• 41:39
  there
• 41:39
  was
• 41:39
  a
• 41:39
  teacher
• 41:40
  at
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  front
• 41:40
  of
• 41:40
  the
• 41:40
  classroom
• 41:40
  who
• 41:41
  told
• 41:41
  you
• 41:41
  what
• 41:41
  you
• 41:41
  needed
• 41:41
  to
• 41:42
  know.
• 41:43
  Yeah.
• 41:43
  And
• 41:44
  yes,
• 41:44
  you
• 41:44
  might
• 41:44
  do
• 41:45
  homework
• 41:45
  where
• 41:45
  you
• 41:45
  had
• 41:46
  to
• 41:46
  go
• 41:46
  home
• 41:46
  and
• 41:46
  research
• 41:47
  things,
• 41:47
  but
• 41:47
  we
• 41:48
  are
• 41:49
  presented
• 41:50
  with
• 41:50
  this
• 41:50
  idea
• 41:51
  that
• 41:51
  teachers
• 41:52
  have
• 41:52
  all
• 41:52
  the
• 41:53
  answers.
• 41:54
  And
• 41:55
  I
• 41:55
  think
• 41:55
  one
• 41:56
  of
• 41:56
  the
• 41:56
  things
• 41:57
  about
• 41:57
  home
• 41:58
  educating
• 42:00
  is
• 42:00
  that
• 42:01
  as
• 42:01
  parents,
• 42:02
  we
• 42:02
  don't
• 42:02
  have
• 42:02
  to
• 42:03
  have
• 42:03
  all
• 42:03
  the
• 42:04
  answers.
• 42:05
  We
• 42:06
  can
• 42:06
  find
• 42:06
  out
• 42:07
  those
• 42:07
  answers
• 42:08
  alongside
• 42:08
  our
• 42:09
  children
• 42:10
  and
• 42:10
  we
• 42:11
  can
• 42:11
  help
• 42:11
  our
• 42:11
  children
• 42:12
  look
• 42:13
  for
• 42:13
  answers
• 42:13
  themselves
• 42:14
  and
• 42:14
  build
• 42:14
  those
• 42:14
  research
• 42:15
  skills.
• 42:16
  I
• 42:16
  think
• 42:16
  that's
• 42:17
  also
• 42:17
  really
• 42:18
  important
• 42:18
  for
• 42:18
  your
• 42:18
  relationship
• 42:19
  with
• 42:19
  your
• 42:19
  child.
• 42:20
  Accepting
• 42:21
  that
• 42:21
  there
• 42:21
  are
• 42:22
  things
• 42:22
  that
• 42:22
  you
• 42:22
  don't
• 42:23
  know
• 42:23
  and
• 42:23
  that
• 42:23
  your
• 42:23
  child
• 42:24
  doesn't
• 42:24
  know
• 42:24
  and
• 42:24
  learning
• 42:25
  them
• 42:25
  together
• 42:25
  is
• 42:25
  really
• 42:26
  good
• 42:26
  because
• 42:26
  your
• 42:27
  child
• 42:27
  sees
• 42:27
  you
• 42:28
  learning
• 42:28
  and
• 42:29
  they
• 42:29
  start
• 42:29
  to
• 42:29
  see
• 42:29
  you
• 42:30
  not
• 42:30
  as
• 42:30
  this
• 42:31
  sort
• 42:32
  of
• 42:32
  weird
• 42:32
  alien
• 42:33
  creature
• 42:33
  that
• 42:33
  knows
• 42:34
  everything
• 42:34
  and
• 42:35
  never
• 42:35
  gets
• 42:36
  anything
• 42:36
  wrong.
• 42:36
  And
• 42:36
  that
• 42:36
  can
• 42:37
  really
• 42:37
  build
• 42:37
  into
• 42:38
  perfectionism
• 42:39
  and
• 42:39
  issues
• 42:40
  with,
• 42:40
  with
• 42:41
  sort
• 42:41
  of
• 42:41
  fear
• 42:41
  of
• 42:41
  failure.
• 42:42
  Whereas
• 42:43
  if
• 42:43
  you're
• 42:43
  there
• 42:43
  next
• 42:44
  to
• 42:44
  your
• 42:44
  child
• 42:44
  saying,
• 42:44
  wow,
• 42:45
  I
• 42:45
  have
• 42:45
  no
• 42:45
  idea
• 42:45
  how
• 42:45
  to
• 42:46
  do
• 42:46
  this
• 42:46
  fractions
• 42:46
  question,
• 42:47
  let's
• 42:47
  watch
• 42:47
  a
• 42:47
  YouTube
• 42:48
  video
• 42:48
  and
• 42:48
  learn
• 42:48
  together.
• 42:49
  I
• 42:49
  used
• 42:50
  to
• 42:50
  regularly
• 42:51
  do
• 42:51
  that
• 42:51
  with
• 42:51
  my
• 42:51
  son,
• 42:51
  who
• 42:52
  was
• 42:52
  far
• 42:52
  better
• 42:52
  at
• 42:52
  maths
• 42:53
  than
• 42:53
  me,
• 42:53
  and
• 42:53
  it
• 42:53
  was
• 42:54
  really
• 42:54
  interesting.
• 42:54
  And
• 42:55
  I
• 42:55
  think
• 42:55
  he,
• 42:56
  he,
• 42:56
  it
• 42:56
  made
• 42:56
  him
• 42:56
  feel
• 42:57
  good
• 42:57
  because
• 42:57
  he
• 42:57
  thought,
• 42:57
  oh,
• 42:58
  okay,
• 42:58
  I'm
• 42:58
  quite
• 42:58
  good
• 42:58
  at
• 42:58
  this.
• 42:59
  I'm
• 42:59
  better
• 42:59
  than
• 42:59
  my
• 42:59
  mum
• 42:59
  at
• 43:00
  this,
• 43:00
  you
• 43:00
  know,
• 43:01
  And
• 43:01
  I
• 43:01
  think
• 43:01
  that
• 43:01
  that
• 43:01
  kind
• 43:02
  of
• 43:02
  thing
• 43:02
  actually
• 43:02
  is
• 43:02
  part
• 43:03
  of
• 43:03
  this
• 43:03
  lovely
• 43:03
  new
• 43:03
  dynamic
• 43:04
  shift
• 43:04
  where
• 43:05
  you're
• 43:05
  not
• 43:05
  necessarily
• 43:07
  somebody
• 43:07
  on
• 43:07
  high
• 43:08
  and
• 43:09
  then
• 43:09
  somebody
• 43:09
  that
• 43:10
  knows
• 43:10
  less
• 43:11
  than
• 43:11
  you.
• 43:11
  It's
• 43:11
  much
• 43:12
  more
• 43:12
  of
• 43:12
  an
• 43:12
  egalitarian
• 43:13
  kind
• 43:13
  of
• 43:13
  equal
• 43:14
  relationship.
• 43:14
  That's
• 43:15
  not
• 43:15
  to
• 43:15
  say
• 43:15
  that
• 43:15
  you
• 43:16
  can't
• 43:16
  have
• 43:16
  that
• 43:16
  parent
• 43:17
  dynamic.
• 43:17
  I'm
• 43:17
  not
• 43:17
  here
• 43:18
  saying
• 43:18
  everybody
• 43:18
  should
• 43:19
  do
• 43:19
  autonomous
• 43:19
  parenting.
• 43:20
  You
• 43:20
  certainly
• 43:20
  can
• 43:21
  do
• 43:21
  if
• 43:21
  you
• 43:21
  want.
• 43:21
  But
• 43:22
  you
• 43:23
  can
• 43:23
  have
• 43:24
  the
• 43:24
  parent
• 43:25
  child
• 43:25
  dynamic
• 43:25
  but
• 43:26
  not
• 43:26
  have
• 43:26
  the
• 43:26
  teacher
• 43:27
  pupil
• 43:27
  dynamic.
• 43:29
  Absolutely.
• 43:29
  I
• 43:29
  don't
• 43:30
  think
• 43:30
  we
• 43:30
  really
• 43:30
  had
• 43:31
  a
• 43:31
  teacher
• 43:32
  pupil
• 43:32
  dynamic
• 43:33
  going
• 43:33
  on
• 43:34
  here,
• 43:34
  although
• 43:35
  apparently
• 43:35
  I
• 43:35
  had
• 43:36
  a
• 43:36
  voice.
• 43:39
  So
• 43:40
  we
• 43:40
  would.
• 43:40
  We
• 43:40
  spent
• 43:40
  a
• 43:41
  lot
• 43:41
  of
• 43:41
  time
• 43:41
  in
• 43:41
  museums,
• 43:42
  a
• 43:43
  lot
• 43:43
  of
• 43:43
  time
• 43:43
  in
• 43:43
  museums.
• 43:44
  And
• 43:44
  I
• 43:44
  remember
• 43:44
  one
• 43:45
  day,
• 43:45
  I
• 43:45
  can't
• 43:45
  remember
• 43:45
  which
• 43:46
  museum
• 43:46
  it
• 43:46
  was,
• 43:47
  but,
• 43:47
  you
• 43:47
  know,
• 43:48
  it
• 43:48
  would
• 43:48
  definitely
• 43:49
  be.
• 43:49
  I'd
• 43:50
  be.
• 43:50
  We'd
• 43:50
  look
• 43:50
  at
• 43:51
  something
• 43:51
  and
• 43:51
  then
• 43:51
  I'd
• 43:52
  be
• 43:52
  trying
• 43:52
  to
• 43:52
  give
• 43:52
  them
• 43:52
  more
• 43:53
  information
• 43:53
  about
• 43:53
  this
• 43:54
  thing
• 43:54
  either
• 43:54
  because
• 43:55
  I've
• 43:55
  kind
• 43:55
  of
• 43:55
  skim
• 43:56
  read
• 43:56
  the.
• 43:57
  The
• 43:57
  information
• 43:57
  board
• 43:58
  and
• 43:58
  I'm
• 43:58
  picking
• 43:58
  out
• 43:58
  the
• 43:59
  bits
• 43:59
  I
• 43:59
  think
• 43:59
  might
• 43:59
  interest
• 44:00
  them
• 44:00
  or
• 44:00
  have
• 44:01
  interested
• 44:01
  me
• 44:02
  because
• 44:02
  that's
• 44:02
  just
• 44:02
  as
• 44:03
  valid.
• 44:04
  And
• 44:04
  I
• 44:04
  was
• 44:04
  doing
• 44:04
  that
• 44:05
  one
• 44:05
  day
• 44:05
  and
• 44:05
  my
• 44:06
  daughter
• 44:06
  just
• 44:06
  turned
• 44:06
  around
• 44:06
  and
• 44:07
  said,
• 44:07
  mum,
• 44:08
  just
• 44:08
  stop.
• 44:09
  She
• 44:10
  was
• 44:10
  quite
• 44:10
  old.
• 44:10
  She
• 44:10
  was
• 44:10
  about
• 44:11
  12
• 44:11
  or
• 44:11
  something
• 44:11
  at
• 44:12
  the
• 44:12
  time,
• 44:12
  you
• 44:12
  know,
• 44:12
  so
• 44:12
  she'd
• 44:13
  had
• 44:13
  a
• 44:13
  lot
• 44:13
  of
• 44:13
  years
• 44:13
  of
• 44:14
  this.
• 44:14
  She
• 44:14
  said,
• 44:15
  we
• 44:15
  don't
• 44:15
  have
• 44:15
  to
• 44:16
  do
• 44:16
  learning
• 44:16
  now.
• 44:18
  I
• 44:18
  just
• 44:18
  want
• 44:18
  to
• 44:18
  look.
• 44:20
  So
• 44:20
  apparently
• 44:21
  there.
• 44:21
  There
• 44:21
  was
• 44:21
  a
• 44:22
  voice.
• 44:23
  Yeah,
• 44:23
  there's
• 44:24
  lessons
• 44:24
  in
• 44:24
  everything.
• 44:24
  That's
• 44:25
  one.
• 44:25
  That
• 44:25
  is
• 44:25
  one
• 44:25
  thing
• 44:26
  I
• 44:26
  think
• 44:26
  when
• 44:26
  you
• 44:26
  home
• 44:26
  educate
• 44:27
  is
• 44:27
  it's
• 44:28
  really
• 44:28
  hard
• 44:28
  to
• 44:28
  slip
• 44:28
  out
• 44:29
  of
• 44:29
  that.
• 44:29
  I
• 44:29
  find
• 44:29
  myself
• 44:29
  sometimes
• 44:30
  doing
• 44:30
  it
• 44:30
  with
• 44:30
  adults.
• 44:32
  I'm
• 44:32
  like,
• 44:32
  what
• 44:32
  is
• 44:33
  the
• 44:33
  learning
• 44:33
  experience
• 44:33
  here?
• 44:34
  It's
• 44:34
  like,
• 44:34
  oh,
• 44:34
  wait,
• 44:35
  wait,
• 44:35
  wait.
• 44:35
  It's
• 44:36
  a
• 44:36
  fully
• 44:36
  grown
• 44:36
  adult
• 44:37
  that
• 44:37
  I'm
• 44:37
  now
• 44:37
  teaching.
• 44:38
  Yeah,
• 44:39
  I
• 44:39
  do
• 44:39
  that
• 44:39
  all
• 44:39
  the
• 44:39
  time.
• 44:39
  Yeah,
• 44:40
  yeah.
• 44:41
  So
• 44:42
  we
• 44:42
  have
• 44:42
  got
• 44:42
  that.
• 44:43
  Deschooling
• 44:44
  is
• 44:44
  a
• 44:44
  process
• 44:45
  of.
• 44:45
  Let
• 44:45
  me
• 44:45
  look
• 44:45
  through
• 44:46
  my
• 44:46
  notes.
• 44:46
  We
• 44:47
  have
• 44:47
  got.
• 44:47
  It
• 44:48
  is
• 44:48
  recognizing
• 44:49
  that
• 44:50
  your
• 44:50
  child
• 44:50
  may
• 44:50
  have
• 44:50
  traumas
• 44:51
  to
• 44:51
  work
• 44:51
  through
• 44:52
  and
• 44:52
  making
• 44:53
  home
• 44:53
  a
• 44:53
  safe
• 44:54
  place.
• 44:54
  And
• 44:55
  then
• 44:55
  there's
• 44:55
  this
• 44:55
  idea
• 44:56
  that
• 44:56
  you
• 44:57
  as
• 44:57
  a
• 44:57
  parent
• 44:58
  may
• 44:58
  have
• 44:58
  imbibed
• 44:59
  the
• 44:59
  school
• 45:00
  experience
• 45:00
  when
• 45:00
  you
• 45:01
  were
• 45:01
  younger.
• 45:01
  And
• 45:01
  you
• 45:01
  need
• 45:01
  to
• 45:02
  kind
• 45:02
  of
• 45:02
  free
• 45:02
  yourself
• 45:02
  of
• 45:03
  that
• 45:03
  and
• 45:03
  free
• 45:04
  yourself
• 45:04
  of
• 45:04
  expectations
• 45:05
  and
• 45:05
  comparisons
• 45:06
  and,
• 45:07
  you
• 45:08
  know,
• 45:08
  should
• 45:08
  do
• 45:08
  this.
• 45:08
  Shouldn't,
• 45:09
  shouldn't
• 45:09
  do
• 45:09
  that.
• 45:10
  And
• 45:11
  you
• 45:11
  can
• 45:11
  do
• 45:11
  that
• 45:11
  by
• 45:11
  kind
• 45:11
  of
• 45:12
  flagging
• 45:12
  it
• 45:12
  up
• 45:12
  and
• 45:12
  noticing
• 45:13
  when
• 45:13
  it's
• 45:13
  happening
• 45:14
  and
• 45:14
  being
• 45:14
  compassionate
• 45:15
  with
• 45:15
  yourself
• 45:15
  as
• 45:16
  well
• 45:16
  when
• 45:16
  it
• 45:16
  happens.
• 45:16
  And
• 45:17
  then
• 45:17
  this
• 45:17
  idea
• 45:17
  of
• 45:18
  learning
• 45:18
  happening
• 45:19
  everywhere
• 45:19
  and
• 45:19
  maybe
• 45:21
  leaning
• 45:21
  into
• 45:21
  that,
• 45:21
  like
• 45:22
  going
• 45:22
  on
• 45:22
  those
• 45:23
  day
• 45:23
  trips,
• 45:23
  going
• 45:23
  to
• 45:24
  the
• 45:24
  beach
• 45:24
  when
• 45:24
  it's
• 45:24
  nice
• 45:25
  and
• 45:25
  quiet.
• 45:25
  Because
• 45:25
  everyone's
• 45:25
  at
• 45:26
  school,
• 45:26
  which
• 45:26
  is
• 45:26
  just
• 45:27
  a
• 45:27
  joy.
• 45:27
  And
• 45:28
  also
• 45:28
  maybe
• 45:29
  noting
• 45:29
  it
• 45:29
  down,
• 45:30
  maybe
• 45:30
  having
• 45:30
  a
• 45:30
  journal
• 45:31
  or
• 45:31
  a
• 45:31
  planner
• 45:31
  where
• 45:31
  you,
• 45:32
  at
• 45:32
  the
• 45:32
  end
• 45:32
  of
• 45:33
  the
• 45:33
  day,
• 45:33
  you
• 45:33
  look
• 45:33
  at
• 45:34
  all
• 45:34
  those
• 45:34
  things
• 45:34
  they
• 45:34
  learned
• 45:35
  when
• 45:35
  you
• 45:35
  thought
• 45:35
  they
• 45:35
  weren't
• 45:36
  learning
• 45:36
  anything
• 45:36
  at
• 45:36
  all.
• 45:37
  And
• 45:37
  then
• 45:37
  lastly,
• 45:38
  this
• 45:38
  idea
• 45:39
  of
• 45:39
  your
• 45:40
  dynamic
• 45:41
  with
• 45:41
  your
• 45:41
  child
• 45:41
  and
• 45:42
  how
• 45:42
  you
• 45:43
  can
• 45:43
  create
• 45:44
  a
• 45:44
  bond
• 45:45
  that
• 45:45
  is
• 45:45
  not
• 45:46
  necessarily.
• 45:47
  Here
• 45:48
  is
• 45:48
  the
• 45:48
  information.
• 45:48
  I
• 45:49
  am
• 45:49
  giving
• 45:49
  it
• 45:49
  to
• 45:49
  you,
• 45:49
  you
• 45:50
  are
• 45:50
  learning
• 45:50
  it,
• 45:50
  but
• 45:50
  it's
• 45:51
  more
• 45:51
  a
• 45:51
  collaborative
• 45:52
  journey
• 45:52
  and
• 45:52
  an
• 45:53
  exploration.
• 45:54
  Well,
• 45:54
  Helen,
• 45:55
  I
• 45:55
  feel
• 45:55
  like
• 45:55
  we
• 45:56
  have
• 45:56
  done
• 45:56
  deschooling
• 45:57
  pretty
• 45:57
  good.
• 45:58
  The
• 45:58
  pretty
• 45:58
  good
• 45:59
  wrap
• 45:59
  there.
• 45:59
  How
• 46:00
  is
• 46:00
  there
• 46:00
  anything
• 46:00
  that
• 46:00
  you
• 46:01
  think
• 46:01
  we've
• 46:01
  missed?
• 46:02
  Yeah,
• 46:03
  I
• 46:03
  was
• 46:03
  just
• 46:03
  thinking,
• 46:04
  one
• 46:04
  of
• 46:04
  the
• 46:04
  things
• 46:04
  I
• 46:04
  would
• 46:05
  advise
• 46:05
  people
• 46:05
  who
• 46:06
  want
• 46:06
  to
• 46:06
  do
• 46:06
  school
• 46:07
  is,
• 46:07
  and
• 46:07
  the
• 46:08
  part
• 46:08
  about
• 46:08
  comparing
• 46:09
  themselves
• 46:09
  to
• 46:10
  school
• 46:10
  is
• 46:11
  avoid
• 46:12
  looking
• 46:12
  at
• 46:12
  the
• 46:12
  national
• 46:13
  curriculum.
• 46:15
  Because
• 46:15
  that
• 46:16
  if
• 46:16
  you
• 46:16
  start
• 46:16
  looking
• 46:16
  at
• 46:17
  the
• 46:17
  national
• 46:17
  curriculum
• 46:18
  and
• 46:18
  you
• 46:18
  look
• 46:18
  in
• 46:18
  there,
• 46:18
  what
• 46:19
  they're
• 46:19
  saying
• 46:19
  and
• 46:19
  what
• 46:20
  they're
• 46:20
  doing.
• 46:20
  Yeah.
• 46:21
  You
• 46:21
  are
• 46:21
  going
• 46:21
  to
• 46:21
  end
• 46:22
  up
• 46:22
  comparing
• 46:22
  yourself
• 46:23
  to
• 46:23
  school.
• 46:24
  There's
• 46:25
  so
• 46:25
  much
• 46:25
  you
• 46:25
  can
• 46:25
  learn
• 46:26
  that
• 46:26
  isn't
• 46:26
  on
• 46:26
  the
• 46:26
  national
• 46:26
  curriculum.
• 46:27
  So
• 46:27
  I
• 46:28
  would
• 46:28
  suggest
• 46:28
  ignoring
• 46:29
  it.
• 46:29
  I
• 46:30
  completely
• 46:30
  agree.
• 46:30
  I
• 46:31
  think
• 46:31
  until
• 46:31
  you
• 46:31
  get
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  GCSEs,
• 46:33
  you
• 46:33
  don't
• 46:33
  need
• 46:33
  to
• 46:34
  look
• 46:34
  at
• 46:35
  all
• 46:35
  at
• 46:35
  what
• 46:36
  they're
• 46:36
  doing
• 46:36
  at
• 46:36
  school.
• 46:37
  I
• 46:37
  think
• 46:37
  it's
• 46:37
  complete
• 46:38
  irrelevance.
• 46:38
  I
• 46:39
  think
• 46:39
  what
• 46:39
  they
• 46:39
  do
• 46:39
  in
• 46:40
  year
• 46:40
  six,
• 46:41
  geography
• 46:41
  is
• 46:42
  not
• 46:42
  going
• 46:42
  to
• 46:42
  help
• 46:42
  you
• 46:42
  when
• 46:43
  you
• 46:43
  come
• 46:43
  to
• 46:43
  take
• 46:43
  your
• 46:43
  geography
• 46:44
  gcse.
• 46:44
  It's
• 46:44
  not,
• 46:45
  it's.
• 46:45
  It's
• 46:45
  like
• 46:46
  geography
• 46:46
  gcse.
• 46:47
  I
• 46:47
  think
• 46:47
  I
• 46:47
  use
• 46:47
  this
• 46:48
  analogy
• 46:48
  with,
• 46:48
  in
• 46:49
  another
• 46:49
  podcast,
• 46:50
  but
• 46:50
  it's
• 46:50
  like
• 46:50
  if
• 46:51
  you
• 46:51
  go
• 46:51
  to
• 46:51
  McDonald's
• 46:52
  and
• 46:52
  you
• 46:52
  buy
• 46:52
  a
• 46:52
  Happy
• 46:52
  Meal
• 46:53
  and
• 46:53
  you
• 46:53
  get
• 46:53
  your
• 46:53
  fries
• 46:53
  and
• 46:54
  your
• 46:54
  burger
• 46:55
  and
• 46:55
  your
• 46:55
  drink
• 46:56
  all
• 46:56
  in
• 46:56
  one,
• 46:57
  that's
• 46:57
  a
• 46:57
  GCSE
• 46:58
  curriculum.
• 46:58
  You
• 46:58
  don't
• 46:59
  need.
• 47:00
  You
• 47:00
  don't
• 47:00
  need
• 47:00
  to
• 47:00
  have
• 47:00
  had
• 47:00
  McDonald's
• 47:01
  that
• 47:01
  morning.
• 47:02
  You
• 47:02
  buy
• 47:02
  everything
• 47:02
  in
• 47:03
  one
• 47:03
  go
• 47:03
  and
• 47:03
  you
• 47:03
  get
• 47:04
  your
• 47:04
  curriculum
• 47:04
  and
• 47:04
  it's
• 47:04
  the
• 47:04
  same
• 47:05
  the
• 47:05
  national
• 47:05
  curriculum.
• 47:06
  I
• 47:06
  feel
• 47:06
  like
• 47:07
  even
• 47:07
  teachers
• 47:08
  don't
• 47:08
  like
• 47:08
  it.
• 47:08
  So
• 47:08
  why
• 47:08
  on
• 47:09
  earth
• 47:09
  we
• 47:09
  as
• 47:09
  home
• 47:09
  educators
• 47:10
  would
• 47:10
  engage
• 47:10
  with
• 47:10
  it,
• 47:11
  I
• 47:11
  don't
• 47:11
  know.
• 47:11
  But
• 47:12
  yes,
• 47:12
  I
• 47:12
  think
• 47:13
  that's
• 47:13
  very,
• 47:13
  very
• 47:13
  good
• 47:13
  advice.
• 47:14
  I
• 47:14
  think
• 47:14
  ditching
• 47:15
  the
• 47:15
  national
• 47:15
  curriculum
• 47:16
  or
• 47:16
  just
• 47:16
  the
• 47:17
  worry
• 47:17
  about
• 47:17
  comparing
• 47:18
  and
• 47:18
  keeping
• 47:19
  up
• 47:19
  with
• 47:20
  what
• 47:20
  they're
• 47:20
  doing
• 47:20
  in
• 47:20
  school.
• 47:20
  And
• 47:21
  I
• 47:21
  will
• 47:21
  say,
• 47:21
  if
• 47:22
  you
• 47:22
  find
• 47:22
  if
• 47:22
  there's
• 47:23
  people
• 47:23
  in
• 47:23
  your
• 47:24
  family
• 47:25
  or
• 47:25
  your
• 47:25
  friends
• 47:26
  or
• 47:26
  even
• 47:27
  strangers
• 47:27
  in
• 47:27
  bloody
• 47:28
  shops
• 47:28
  who
• 47:29
  start
• 47:29
  quizzing
• 47:29
  your
• 47:30
  child
• 47:30
  on,
• 47:30
  oh,
• 47:30
  have
• 47:31
  you,
• 47:31
  you
• 47:31
  know,
• 47:32
  do
• 47:32
  you
• 47:32
  know
• 47:32
  your
• 47:32
  times
• 47:32
  tables,
• 47:33
  what,
• 47:33
  seven
• 47:33
  times
• 47:33
  five,
• 47:34
  be
• 47:34
  okay
• 47:34
  to
• 47:35
  step
• 47:35
  in,
• 47:35
  advocate
• 47:36
  for
• 47:36
  your
• 47:36
  child,
• 47:36
  step
• 47:36
  in
• 47:37
  and
• 47:37
  Say,
• 47:37
  oh,
• 47:38
  I
• 47:38
  could
• 47:38
  probably
• 47:38
  answer
• 47:38
  that
• 47:39
  for
• 47:39
  you.
• 47:39
  Because
• 47:39
  I
• 47:39
  don't
• 47:39
  think
• 47:40
  he's
• 47:40
  particularly
• 47:40
  interested
• 47:41
  in
• 47:41
  giving
• 47:41
  you,
• 47:41
  like,
• 47:42
  the,
• 47:42
  you
• 47:42
  know,
• 47:42
  the
• 47:42
  answers
• 47:43
  to
• 47:43
  quiz
• 47:43
  questions
• 47:44
  in
• 47:44
  the
• 47:44
  middle
• 47:44
  of
• 47:44
  a
• 47:44
  shop
• 47:45
  or
• 47:45
  whatever.
• 47:45
  Like,
• 47:46
  feel
• 47:46
  free
• 47:46
  to
• 47:46
  advocate.
• 47:47
  Right,
• 47:48
  absolutely.
• 47:48
  Definitely.
• 47:49
  Because
• 47:49
  it's
• 47:50
  amazing
• 47:50
  how
• 47:50
  many
• 47:50
  people
• 47:51
  do
• 47:51
  that
• 47:52
  who
• 47:52
  will
• 47:52
  turn
• 47:52
  around
• 47:53
  and
• 47:53
  start
• 47:53
  asking
• 47:54
  them
• 47:54
  maths
• 47:54
  questions.
• 47:55
  And
• 47:55
  it's
• 47:55
  always
• 47:56
  maths.
• 47:57
  It's
• 47:57
  always.
• 47:58
  It's
• 47:58
  interesting.
• 47:59
  It
• 47:59
  is.
• 47:59
  Mass
• 48:00
  is
• 48:00
  a
• 48:00
  really
• 48:00
  popular
• 48:00
  one,
• 48:01
  but
• 48:01
  the
• 48:01
  one
• 48:01
  that
• 48:01
  stays
• 48:01
  in
• 48:02
  my
• 48:02
  memory
• 48:02
  was
• 48:03
  I
• 48:03
  was
• 48:03
  in
• 48:03
  Kazakhstan.
• 48:04
  I
• 48:04
  was
• 48:04
  living
• 48:04
  in
• 48:04
  Kazakhstan.
• 48:05
  Don't
• 48:05
  ask
• 48:05
  me
• 48:05
  why.
• 48:06
  And
• 48:06
  I
• 48:06
  was
• 48:06
  living
• 48:07
  in
• 48:07
  Kazakhstan,
• 48:07
  and
• 48:08
  my
• 48:08
  son
• 48:08
  was
• 48:09
  six
• 48:10
  and
• 48:11
  met
• 48:12
  somebody
• 48:12
  and
• 48:12
  they
• 48:12
  said,
• 48:13
  oh,
• 48:13
  you
• 48:13
  know,
• 48:13
  do
• 48:13
  you
• 48:13
  go
• 48:13
  to
• 48:13
  school?
• 48:14
  And
• 48:14
  I
• 48:14
  was
• 48:14
  like,
• 48:14
  no,
• 48:14
  we
• 48:14
  home.
• 48:15
  Home
• 48:15
  educate.
• 48:15
  And
• 48:16
  he's.
• 48:16
  And
• 48:16
  he
• 48:17
  said,
• 48:17
  oh,
• 48:17
  what
• 48:17
  have
• 48:17
  you
• 48:18
  done
• 48:18
  today?
• 48:18
  And
• 48:19
  I
• 48:19
  said,
• 48:19
  oh,
• 48:19
  we've
• 48:20
  done
• 48:20
  some
• 48:20
  French.
• 48:21
  And
• 48:21
  he
• 48:21
  looked
• 48:22
  at
• 48:22
  my
• 48:22
  son
• 48:22
  and
• 48:22
  he
• 48:22
  said,
• 48:23
  what's
• 48:23
  French
• 48:23
  for
• 48:23
  potato?
• 48:24
  And
• 48:24
  I
• 48:24
  thought,
• 48:24
  what
• 48:25
  is
• 48:25
  this?
• 48:25
  Is
• 48:26
  this
• 48:26
  like,
• 48:26
  you
• 48:27
  know,
• 48:27
  who
• 48:27
  wants
• 48:27
  to
• 48:27
  be
• 48:27
  a
• 48:28
  Millionaire?
• 48:29
  Why
• 48:29
  would
• 48:30
  you
• 48:30
  ask.
• 48:30
  Why
• 48:31
  would
• 48:31
  you
• 48:31
  ask
• 48:31
  him
• 48:32
  that?
• 48:32
  And
• 48:32
  then.
• 48:32
  And
• 48:32
  I
• 48:33
  got
• 48:33
  so
• 48:33
  flustered,
• 48:35
  I
• 48:35
  said,
• 48:35
  oh,
• 48:36
  it's
• 48:37
  patatas
• 48:38
  or
• 48:38
  something,
• 48:38
  because
• 48:38
  I
• 48:38
  got
• 48:39
  confused
• 48:39
  with
• 48:39
  the
• 48:39
  Spanish.
• 48:40
  And
• 48:40
  then
• 48:41
  he
• 48:41
  was
• 48:41
  like,
• 48:41
  oh,
• 48:41
  no,
• 48:41
  it's
• 48:42
  pommes
• 48:42
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• 48:42
  terre,
• 48:42
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• 48:43
  means
• 48:43
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• 48:43
  of
• 48:43
  the
• 48:44
  ground.
• 48:44
  And
• 48:44
  I
• 48:44
  think
• 48:44
  he
• 48:44
  was
• 48:45
  trying
• 48:45
  to
• 48:45
  be
• 48:45
  really
• 48:45
  nice.
• 48:45
  I
• 48:46
  think
• 48:46
  he
• 48:46
  was
• 48:46
  trying
• 48:46
  to
• 48:46
  say,
• 48:46
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• 48:47
  it's
• 48:47
  a
• 48:47
  beautiful
• 48:47
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• 48:47
  But
• 48:48
  I
• 48:48
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• 48:48
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• 48:49
  My
• 48:49
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• 48:49
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• 48:49
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• 48:50
  me
• 48:50
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• 48:50
  why
• 48:50
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• 48:50
  you
• 48:50
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• 48:50
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• 48:51
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• 48:51
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• 48:51
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• 48:51
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• 48:51
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• 48:52
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• 48:52
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• 48:52
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• 48:52
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• 48:52
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• 48:53
  the
• 48:53
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• 48:54
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• 48:54
  But
• 48:54
  it's
• 48:54
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• 48:55
  isn't
• 48:55
  it?
• 48:55
  We
• 48:55
  get
• 48:55
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• 48:55
  our
• 48:56
  heads
• 48:56
  and
• 48:56
  we
• 48:56
  allow
• 48:57
  other
• 48:57
  people
• 48:58
  to
• 48:58
  get
• 48:58
  in
• 48:58
  our
• 48:58
  heads.
• 48:58
  And
• 48:59
  I
• 48:59
  think
• 48:59
  maybe
• 49:00
  one
• 49:00
  thing
• 49:00
  that
• 49:01
  we
• 49:01
  haven't
• 49:01
  spoken
• 49:01
  about
• 49:01
  enough
• 49:02
  but
• 49:02
  is
• 49:02
  key
• 49:02
  to
• 49:03
  deschooling.
• 49:04
  Get
• 49:04
  the
• 49:05
  other
• 49:05
  people
• 49:05
  out
• 49:05
  of
• 49:06
  your
• 49:06
  journey.
• 49:06
  Like,
• 49:07
  this
• 49:07
  is
• 49:07
  your
• 49:07
  journey
• 49:08
  with
• 49:08
  your
• 49:08
  child.
• 49:08
  Get
• 49:09
  everybody
• 49:09
  else
• 49:09
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• 49:10
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• 49:10
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• 49:10
  Shoo
• 49:10
  them
• 49:10
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• 49:11
  sweep
• 49:11
  them
• 49:11
  out.
• 49:11
  It's
• 49:12
  not
• 49:12
  their
• 49:12
  business.
• 49:13
  It's
• 49:13
  your
• 49:13
  business.
• 49:14
  It's
• 49:14
  very.
• 49:15
  It's
• 49:15
  very
• 49:15
  Brene
• 49:16
  Brown.
• 49:16
  Is
• 49:16
  this
• 49:16
  a
• 49:16
  me
• 49:17
  problem
• 49:17
  or
• 49:17
  a
• 49:17
  you
• 49:17
  problem?
• 49:18
  Is
• 49:18
  a
• 49:18
  you
• 49:18
  problem.
• 49:19
  So,
• 49:19
  yeah,
• 49:20
  make
• 49:20
  it
• 49:20
  a
• 49:20
  them
• 49:20
  problem
• 49:21
  and
• 49:21
  not
• 49:21
  a
• 49:21
  you
• 49:21
  problem.
• 49:22
  Yeah.
• 49:25
  Well,
• 49:25
  Helen,
• 49:25
  thank
• 49:26
  you
• 49:26
  so
• 49:26
  much
• 49:26
  for
• 49:26
  joining
• 49:27
  me
• 49:27
  on
• 49:27
  the
• 49:27
  podcast
• 49:28
  today.
• 49:29
  Do
• 49:29
  let
• 49:29
  our
• 49:29
  listeners
• 49:30
  know
• 49:30
  a
• 49:31
  little
• 49:31
  bit
• 49:31
  about.
• 49:31
  Because
• 49:31
  I
• 49:32
  know
• 49:32
  you
• 49:32
  run
• 49:32
  a
• 49:32
  tutoring
• 49:33
  business.
• 49:33
  So
• 49:33
  before
• 49:33
  we
• 49:33
  finish,
• 49:34
  I
• 49:34
  will
• 49:34
  put
• 49:34
  all
• 49:34
  of
• 49:35
  your
• 49:35
  links
• 49:35
  in
• 49:35
  the
• 49:35
  show
• 49:35
  notes,
• 49:36
  but
• 49:36
  do
• 49:36
  let
• 49:36
  our
• 49:37
  listeners
• 49:37
  know
• 49:37
  where
• 49:37
  they
• 49:38
  can
• 49:38
  find
• 49:38
  you
• 49:38
  if
• 49:38
  they
• 49:38
  would
• 49:39
  like
• 49:39
  to
• 49:39
  hear
• 49:39
  more
• 49:39
  of
• 49:39
  your
• 49:39
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• 49:40
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• 49:40
  tones
• 49:40
  winging
• 49:41
  their
• 49:41
  Way
• 49:41
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• 49:41
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• 49:43
  Thank
• 49:43
  you
• 49:43
  very
• 49:43
  much.
• 49:46
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• 49:46
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• 49:46
  Facebook
• 49:48
  in
• 49:48
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• 49:48
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• 49:49
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• 49:50
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• 49:50
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• 49:51
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• 49:52
  beyond
• 49:52
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• 49:52
  Book
• 49:52
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• 49:54
  And
• 49:54
  I
• 49:54
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• 49:55
  a
• 49:55
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• 49:56
  where
• 49:56
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• 49:56
  sell
• 49:56
  my
• 49:57
  resources,
• 49:57
  but
• 49:58
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• 49:58
  can
• 49:58
  contact
• 49:58
  me
• 49:59
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• 49:59
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• 49:59
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• 50:00
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• 50:00
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• 50:01
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• 50:06
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• 50:06
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• 50:06
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• 50:06
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• 50:07
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• 50:07
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• 50:07
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• 50:09
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• 50:09
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• 50:10
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• 50:10
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• 50:10
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• 50:10
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• 50:11
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• 50:12
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• 50:12
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• 50:13
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• 50:14
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• 50:14
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• 50:15
  Cambridge
• 50:15
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• 50:17
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• 50:18
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• 50:19
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• 50:19
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• 50:19
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• 50:19
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• 50:20
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• 50:21
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• 50:21
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• 50:21
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• 50:22
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• 50:23
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• 50:23
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• 50:25
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• 50:26
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• 50:26
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• 50:26
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• 50:27
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• 50:27
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• 50:27
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• 50:28
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• 50:28
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• 50:28
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• 50:28
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• 50:29
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• 50:29
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• 50:30
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• 50:31
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• 50:31
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• 50:32
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• 50:32
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• 50:32
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• 50:33
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• 50:33
  would
• 50:33
  not
• 50:33
  do
• 50:33
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• 50:34
  at
• 50:35
  secondary
• 50:35
  level
• 50:36
  and
• 50:36
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• 50:36
  science
• 50:37
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• 50:37
  touch
• 50:37
  on
• 50:37
  is
• 50:38
  very
• 50:38
  practical.
• 50:39
  Hands
• 50:39
  on,
• 50:40
  kind
• 50:40
  of.
• 50:41
  There's
• 50:41
  more
• 50:41
  and
• 50:41
  more
• 50:42
  home
• 50:42
  educators
• 50:43
  doing
• 50:43
  A
• 50:43
  levels
• 50:44
  now,
• 50:44
  so
• 50:44
  you
• 50:44
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• 50:44
  have
• 50:44
  to
• 50:45
  branch
• 50:45
  up
• 50:45
  into
• 50:45
  18
• 50:46
  because
• 50:46
  I
• 50:46
  know
• 50:46
  it's
• 50:46
  increasingly
• 50:47
  a
• 50:47
  thing
• 50:47
  now.
• 50:48
  Yeah,
• 50:49
  definitely.
• 50:49
  But
• 50:49
  no,
• 50:50
  I've
• 50:50
  no
• 50:50
  limits.
• 50:52
  Fair
• 50:52
  enough.
• 50:53
  Well,
• 50:53
  Helen,
• 50:53
  thank
• 50:54
  you
• 50:54
  so
• 50:54
  much
• 50:54
  for
• 50:54
  coming
• 50:55
  on
• 50:55
  the
• 50:55
  podcast.
• 50:55
  Again.
• 50:56
  If
• 50:56
  anyone
• 50:57
  listening
• 50:57
  has
• 50:58
  questions
• 50:58
  for
• 50:58
  Helen,
• 50:59
  you
• 50:59
  can
• 50:59
  join
• 50:59
  us
• 50:59
  in
• 50:59
  our
• 51:00
  Facebook
• 51:00
  group,
• 51:00
  Home
• 51:00
  Education
• 51:01
  Matters.
• 51:01
  Or
• 51:02
  you
• 51:02
  can
• 51:02
  put
• 51:02
  a
• 51:02
  comment
• 51:02
  below
• 51:03
  and
• 51:03
  I'll
• 51:03
  make
• 51:03
  sure
• 51:04
  Helen
• 51:04
  sees
• 51:04
  it
• 51:04
  and
• 51:04
  I
• 51:05
  will
• 51:05
  answer
• 51:05
  on
• 51:05
  her
• 51:05
  behalf.
• 51:06
  Or
• 51:06
  I
• 51:06
  can
• 51:06
  answer
• 51:06
  if
• 51:06
  there's
• 51:07
  anything
• 51:07
  I
• 51:07
  can
• 51:07
  answer.
• 51:08
  And
• 51:08
  if
• 51:09
  you'd
• 51:09
  like
• 51:09
  to
• 51:09
  get
• 51:10
  in
• 51:10
  touch
• 51:10
  with
• 51:10
  a
• 51:10
  podcast,
• 51:11
  you
• 51:11
  can
• 51:11
  always
• 51:11
  do
• 51:12
  that.
• 51:12
  We're
• 51:12
  on
• 51:12
  Instagram.
• 51:13
  This
• 51:13
  is
• 51:14
  very
• 51:14
  new
• 51:14
  and
• 51:14
  exciting.
• 51:15
  We
• 51:15
  have
• 51:15
  like
• 51:15
  three
• 51:16
  followers
• 51:16
  because
• 51:16
  I've
• 51:17
  literally
• 51:17
  been
• 51:18
  set
• 51:18
  it
• 51:18
  up
• 51:18
  a
• 51:18
  week
• 51:18
  ago.
• 51:19
  So
• 51:19
  like
• 51:20
  I'm
• 51:20
  feeling
• 51:20
  very
• 51:20
  lonely
• 51:21
  on
• 51:21
  Instagram.
• 51:21
  So
• 51:21
  do
• 51:21
  come
• 51:22
  and
• 51:22
  give
• 51:22
  us
• 51:22
  a
• 51:22
  like
• 51:22
  and
• 51:23
  a
• 51:23
  follow
• 51:23
  on
• 51:23
  Instagram
• 51:24
  because
• 51:24
  it
• 51:24
  took
• 51:25
  me
• 51:25
  a
• 51:25
  lot
• 51:26
  to
• 51:26
  go
• 51:26
  on
• 51:26
  Instagram
• 51:27
  because
• 51:27
  I
• 51:27
  hate
• 51:27
  social
• 51:28
  media
• 51:28
  and
• 51:29
  so
• 51:29
  it
• 51:29
  was
• 51:29
  a
• 51:29
  big
• 51:29
  step
• 51:29
  for
• 51:30
  me
• 51:30
  to
• 51:30
  go
• 51:30
  on
• 51:30
  Instagram.
• 51:31
  So
• 51:31
  please
• 51:31
  make
• 51:31
  it
• 51:31
  worth
• 51:31
  my
• 51:32
  while
• 51:32
  by
• 51:32
  coming
• 51:32
  and
• 51:32
  following
• 51:33
  the
• 51:33
  podcast
• 51:33
  because
• 51:33
  I
• 51:33
  know
• 51:34
  that
• 51:34
  thousands
• 51:34
  of
• 51:34
  you
• 51:34
  listen.
• 51:35
  So
• 51:35
  Even
• 51:35
  if
• 51:36
  only
• 51:36
  10
• 51:36
  of
• 51:37
  you
• 51:37
  follow
• 51:37
  me,
• 51:37
  I
• 51:38
  would
• 51:38
  be
• 51:38
  so
• 51:38
  happy.
• 51:38
  So
• 51:39
  come
• 51:39
  and
• 51:39
  follow
• 51:39
  the
• 51:40
  podcast.
• 51:40
  It
• 51:40
  is
• 51:41
  Home
• 51:41
  Education
• 51:41
  matters,
• 51:42
  obviously
• 51:42
  on
• 51:43
  Instagram.
• 51:43
  It's
• 51:44
  probably
• 51:44
  got
• 51:44
  an
• 51:44
  app
• 51:44
  somewhere
• 51:45
  because
• 51:45
  that's
• 51:45
  like
• 51:46
  apps
• 51:46
  and
• 51:46
  hashtags
• 51:47
  and
• 51:47
  all
• 51:47
  that
• 51:47
  malarkey.
• 51:48
  So
• 51:48
  do
• 51:49
  come
• 51:49
  and
• 51:49
  follow
• 51:49
  us
• 51:49
  on
• 51:50
  Instagram.
• 51:50
  All
• 51:50
  of
• 51:51
  Helen's
• 51:51
  links
• 51:52
  are
• 51:52
  in
• 51:52
  the
• 51:52
  show
• 51:52
  notes
• 51:53
  and
• 51:53
  if
• 51:53
  you're
• 51:54
  listening
• 51:54
  and
• 51:54
  you've
• 51:54
  got
• 51:55
  an
• 51:55
  idea
• 51:55
  for
• 51:55
  a
• 51:55
  podcast
• 51:56
  that
• 51:56
  you
• 51:56
  would
• 51:56
  like
• 51:56
  us
• 51:57
  to
• 51:57
  do,
• 51:57
  stick
• 51:58
  a
• 51:58
  comment
• 51:58
  below
• 51:58
  and
• 51:59
  I
• 51:59
  will
• 51:59
  make
• 51:59
  sure
• 51:59
  that
• 52:00
  I
• 52:00
  read
• 52:00
  it.
• 52:00
  Helen,
• 52:01
  thank
• 52:01
  you
• 52:01
  so
• 52:01
  much
• 52:01
  again
• 52:02
  for
• 52:02
  coming
• 52:02
  on
• 52:02
  the
• 52:02
  podcast.
• 52:03
  Thank
• 52:04
  you
• 52:04
  very
• 52:04
  much
• 52:04
  for
• 52:04
  having
• 52:04
  me,
• 52:05
  it's
• 52:05
  been
• 52:05
  great.
• 52:06
  Thank
• 52:06
  you
• 52:06
  so
• 52:07
  much
• 52:07
  for
• 52:07
  joining
• 52:07
  us
• 52:07
  for
• 52:07
  today's
• 52:08
  Home
• 52:08
  Education
• 52:08
  Matters
• 52:09
  podcast.
• 52:09
  See
• 52:10
  you
• 52:10
  at
• 52:10
  the
• 52:10
  next
• 52:10
  one.
• 52:10
  Have
• 52:11
  a
• 52:11
  lovely
• 52:11
  day.