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E133: Entering Heaven Through Prayer w/ Paul Rose · The Lila Rose Show

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Hey guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose podcast where you're
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at the new set. I hope you guys like it.
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We've been working on this for a long time for you and there's
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going to be more changes as time goes by.
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Let me know what you think in the comments.
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Today I'm sitting down with my very dearly loved brother Paul
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Paul Rose of the YouTube channel Sing the hours.
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This conversation's a little different than my typical
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podcast conversations. I'll be honest because, well,
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you'll see. It was just hard to not stop
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laughing talking to him because he's crazy and hilarious, but he
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also is very cool and is doing some very neat things.
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We talked about his ministry, sing the hours, we talked about
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the faith, we talked about martyrs and having the strength
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to follow God no matter what the cost may be and so much more.
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I hope you enjoy this conversation.
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Or we can just start. Just get started.
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Introduce yourself. Me first.
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Introduce. Are you the host?
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It's. My show so.
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Wait, this is part of the show. Introduce you.
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Sorry. Hi, I'm Paul Rose and I am
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Lila's best younger brother and I'm happy to be here.
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My. Sister, isn't that my camera?
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Talk to me. No, dude, the people and I have
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a connection. We talk all the time.
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I want to talk to them, all right?
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They're my new friends. It's like an interview format
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where you just like talk to each.
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Other I think it's weird, like on CNN when they don't look at
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the camera and just look at each other.
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These are my friends. OK, so you're my little brother.
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I'm glad that that's the first thing that you thought of when
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you were introducing yourself, because you know.
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Do you want to start over or was?
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That OK, I mean, didn't you want to talk about what you do?
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Like your show? Your ministry?
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Oh yeah, that's not a ministry, but.
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OK, sorry. Yeah.
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So we should start over. This is this is crazy.
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Can we just roll? It no, no, don't, don't undo
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what we did because we might use it.
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So, Lila, it's great to be here. I am your little brother.
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See. It's weird to talk to you.
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I'm Lila's little brother. Talk to me, Paul.
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It's just a, it's just a conversation.
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Pretend we're with friends at a table, but you're still talking
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to me. OK, I would still look at my.
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Friends. But you're talking to me in this
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moment, so. Lila is my sister.
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I do a project called Sing Me Hours in which I.
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I might need some. Milk I need a little copy of.
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Milk. OK, so Lila, Yes.
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But you know what I do? To this SO.
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Fake. Why would I tell you what I do?
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Be cut. Just just just pretend for a
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moment, just talk about, just just be chill.
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Just like I'm chill. What do you do?
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What do you? What do you tell me about
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yourself? I do as you.
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Wow. I am I am Lila Rose's brother.
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We've established that. I do a podcast.
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It's called Sing the Hours. It's called I, I Sing the Hours.
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That's great. That's.
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Awesome. I love that for you.
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I love. That called the Divine Office.
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That's great. Yeah, that's I love your sing
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the Hours. Yeah, so I sing the hours and.
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What does that mean? What does it mean to sing the
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What are the hours? What are you singing?
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Yeah, so the Catholic Church and other faith traditions in
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Christendom have the discipline of singing the Psalms.
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It used to be before clocks existed at the at the divisions
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approximately every three hours of the day.
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Now it's literally every three hours a day, so 6 AM, 9:00 AM,
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noon, etcetera. And every Catholic priest you've
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ever met makes a vow to do this at their ordination.
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It's part of their vow to like obedience to the Bishop and
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celibacy. Priests also pledged to do all
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these psalms, and that's what it's made of.
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It's made of psalms, as in the Psalms of David from the Bible.
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That's its primary content. The special thing about it and
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the reason why this project exists is because it is the
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principal way in which lay people are invited to
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participate in the liturgical life of the Church.
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All right, So what is lay people who are lay people?
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Chips lay people are the it's people who are not her name.
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Was that an authentic laugh? OK, so lay people, I'm a lay
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person. You're a layperson.
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Franco is a layperson. Yeah.
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So as opposed to like a priest or religious.
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And priest and religious make various degrees of vows to pray
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the Psalms, sing the Psalms all the time.
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But lay people are invited very, very strongly, cordially to do
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the liturgy, the hours. And it's, it's a very strange
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type of liturgy because #1 by content, it's actually the
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majority of liturgy is liturgy. The hours.
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Of course, we have the Mass and then we have Sacramento
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liturgies like baptism or even like exorcisms, which is
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somewhat liturgical. But liturgy the hours is like
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most of the liturgical life by like airtime of the church.
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And yet it's the liturgy people are least familiar with.
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And yet it's the type of liturgy that you don't even need a
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priest to do, which is why, like a bunch of people could discern
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to be nuns, like the martyrs of Cambien, and they dedicate their
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lives to doing authentic liturgy all the time.
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But they're just sisters and lay people.
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They're basically lay people. Like religious people are not
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ordained. So we got the lay people, and
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you mentioned the liturgical calendar a few times.
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Are liturgy. What is liturgy?
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I think people think of the word and maybe if they're familiar
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with it, they think like some sort of a ritual in a church.
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Liturgy is just a beautiful, beautiful concept.
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It's what isn't liturgy in to a Christian to a Christian who
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participates in an Apostolic community.
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It's like liturgy is the tearing of the veil between heaven and
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earth. Liturgy is a participation in
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the wedding feast of the Lamb. Liturgy is is our boot camp for
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our heavenly destiny, which is eternally praising God and being
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one with Christ in the Trinity and gazing and having a great
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time. And like liturgy is, it means in
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Greek a work, work for the people, work on behalf of the
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people, public work, even public works.
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So liturgy involves people coming together to enter into
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the Trinitarian mystery. It involves things passed down
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from the apostles to us like the Psalms, like that's another
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feature of Christian liturgy is that it's almost entirely
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made-up of breathing and living out Scripture and singing.
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And liturgy is is a communal act.
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Liturgy is an act of worship. There's so many answers.
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And I just rattled off like we could take any one of those
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titles that we just like rattled off and that could be a whole
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episode. That's.
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Good, that's good. I think maybe there's this sort
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of sense about liturgy for those that are not already like really
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aware of it and in it that's maybe boring or out of touch in
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some way, or it's just like very religious act that's kind of
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dry. Yeah.
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But with liturgy and sing the hours like my encounter with
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your ministry, not ministry. And I don't like that word.
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You can explain that. Why don't you like the ministry?
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It's fine. I'm just not a minister.
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I'm not like abdained. So I mean, I, it might be an
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apostle, I might call it now or a a project, but I mean what I'm
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doing in the lurge of the hours is the prayer of the whole
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church. It's not my ministry.
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I'm simply just like, I'm like A at best, I'm a loudspeaker for
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and nobody's like shout out to the loud speakers at the
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baseball game. They're really helping out know
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it's about the game. It's about the there's a game
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much bigger than what I'm presenting and it's very
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important. You know, what's so cool,
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though, is with the sing the hours and the and the Liturgy of
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the Hours is that you have the Psalms, yes, which are, you
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know, King David, obviously, I think he's written.
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Did he write all of them? Are there any that we're not?
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Writing. Some church fathers say that he
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wrote all of them. Some say that he clearly wrote
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most of them, but not all of them.
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But I think he wrote. All Yeah.
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And then you have Jesus speaking the Psalms, and on the cross he
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said words on the Psalms. He sung.
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He sung them. In my meditation on the cross, I
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don't imagine him going oh God my God, why you're saking me?
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I imagine him going oh God my God, why have you forsaken me?
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He much more realistic and that's why modern TV can't get
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any ancient Christian or Jewish person correct because we live
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in a post singing culture. That's why even like Lord of the
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Rings was very special because even they, they had the courage
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to show like like Aragorn sing a little bit and they had the
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courage to show The Hobbit singing because Tolkien every
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3rd page or whatever of Lord of the Rings is song, right?
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Like the Ant sing and everybody sings.
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Tolkien is not creating an idealized world.
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He's creating a human a, a, a real world.
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Whereas we lose reality when we lose a culture that sings for
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the sake of its itself, not for the sake of consuming music.
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Like I'm going to listen to it to help with this or to make me
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feel this way or to like we, we now consume music and we are now
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the receiver of music as if we're all Lords and kings.
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And very, there's very little experience of directing music to
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the Lord and king in a way that is grounded.
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And what's beautiful about the Psalms, as you say, is that in
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the liturgy, the hours, and in liturgy, it's about
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participating in Christ's voice and David's voice in the case of
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the Psalms, and giving God's own own words back to him.
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So instead of us like making stuff up and like making up a
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song that pleases our ear and a song that, you know, has
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theology that we think is palatable to us and makes us
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feel good. Like so many of the worship
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music, which is far from worship music as it would be understood
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in ancient Christianity Today is just like stuff that puts Jesus
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in a various safe box that we can we that's palatable to us.
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It's very rare to hear a modern worship song that really
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succinctly says something like create a clean heart in me, Oh
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God, renew in me a steadfast spirit.
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Have mercy on me. God in your goodness, in your
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compassion, blot out my offense. I never even heard of modern
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song that talks about my offense.
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It's like the Psalms have a depth of because it's God's
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words, it's God's perfect sacrifice of song that we then
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participate in. And when you give God's own
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words back to him, it's a perfect sacrifice because that's
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what Christ is, victim and priest, right?
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And in Mass, we receive Christ's victimhood for the salvation of
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our souls and forgiveness of our sins.
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But Mass is not about what we bring to the table.
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Jesus brings everything to the table.
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In the Liturgy of the Hours, we get the chance to give Christ
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the only thing possible that we could bring to the table, which
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is praise. Ourselves as a gift of praise.
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A gift of a sacrifice of praise. There's only two things
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centrally call it a sacrifice of praise in Christian history. 1
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is the Eucharist the the the body, blood, soul and divinity
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of God-given to us, and the other is literally the ours.
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They're both called interchangeably, the sacrifice
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of praise, which means that the the the call of Christ, the gift
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of Christ is the Eucharist, the response, the response, the
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thank you note which which helps us in in dwell that mystery in
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check out Sing the Hours at Paul's Tube channel, which we're
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linking. But you're kind of crazy and
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insane in that you are producing 2 original Singing the Hours,
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Vespers, and Lods. So you have two parts of the
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liturgy. There's more to the Liturgy of
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the Hours during the day, but you've picked.
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Why did you pick just these two parts?
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Are there 6 or 7? How many different offices?
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Are you count A? A priest is required to do
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Office of Readings at least one of the daytime offices.
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There are three Lods, Vespers, and Confidence, so the minimum
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that you're going to do is 5. And you recommend 2 at minimum
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for laypeople lots and vespers for just everyday people?
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There's no rule. Do as much as you want or don't
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want. So, so if you're a, if you're a,
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you know, for those who are listening here may be
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evangelicals, let's call you a Bible believing Christian,
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You're a Catholic, you're Orthodox, you would say, and
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you're a layperson. You're not a priest, you're not
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a Bishop. It doesn't matter who you are.
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You're a mother working busy day.
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You're in an office, you're whatever you're doing your
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student. You would say to to make your
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daily rhythm be part of the rhythm of the really the life of
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the church, the life of God to it's the Bible, it's the Psalms.
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And it's not just recitation, it's actually singing it, which
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I think it's hard for some people, quite frankly, because
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some people are gifted with the song, with the gift of a great
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voice. And I think a lot of people,
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it's a little bit scary to like sing their prayer.
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Maybe some people that's wonderful and they love it.
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Why is the singing so important? So I don't know the exact
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citation and I'm sorry I don't know the exact number, but I do
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know and we all know if we read the Bible that the command to
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sing when we're addressing God is pretty common.
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It's very common, not just the Psalms, even the New Testament.
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James says it is any of you joyful?
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Let him sing. I mean, we have in most like if
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you walked into our Eastern, a Ukrainian Christian in their
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Ukrainian liturgy they don't say many words.
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In a Greek liturgy, they don't say any words.
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In a Maronite liturgy, you might hear 2 words said.
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I'm talking about other other ancient Christianity.
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I think it is a very fixed idea throughout all of Christian
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history that prayer, when you address God, you address them in
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song, not just because of the obviousness of that in
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Scripture, but because when you sing, you are actually involving
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your whole self. It becomes something where I
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mean, you can talk, you can take it from a scientific angle, the
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brain and how the the information processors are
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involved when you're when you're talking, but then the limbic
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system, the middle brain is what gets in the cockpit when you're
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singing. And then it actually fires off
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many different almost like taking some sort of supplement
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it like, but more mysteriously than that.
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Why is it that most people who stutter, who have these weird
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corruptions in there, they have these strange dysfunctions in
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neural pathways that regard speech and speech is super
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insidious because everything is involved with speech.
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If you close your eyes right now, Lila, and close your eyes,
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everybody, I'm going to look at the camera for this and close
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your eyes. Camel.
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What just popped into your head? Nothing.
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No, no, the think of what in your mind's eye what just
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happened when I said camel? And just now I thought of a
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picture of a camel. A picture trying to do that on
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purpose but. No, but you can't help it.
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You can't help it. I guarantee you that if I say.
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And that's what you wanted me to do.
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But honestly, before when you did it, nothing came into.
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Mind if I say any word? I don't know.
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If I say any word, the image of said word will pop up in your
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head because the processor code. Like a physical, like you see it
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almost. In your mind's eye.
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Well, you, you know what? You there's a perception.
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You understand what's being said.
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But everything is attached to words.
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All of our understanding of reality is attached to language.
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So a person with a stutter, it's a very difficult thing for an
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adult person with a stuttered to, to go through therapy
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because it is very, very insidious in terms of how many
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neural pathways a speech hang up.
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Like I have friends who are scared to go on planes and every
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time they go on a plane, they get petrified, right?
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Sometimes I feel that way, but it's like that's confined only
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to flying 40,000 feet above the ground.
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But if every time you're forming speech, you, you, your brain
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goes into this, this whole thing that's very bad.
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But I was, I was even working with a, a young man.
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I'm, I, my, my day job is, I'm a public speaking coach.
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And when I was a child and like many children, I had a stutter.
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So I'm very familiar with all this, like, yeah, but.
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It's crazy. Yeah.
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It's amazing how far you've come, Paul.
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Thank you, Lila. Very elegant.
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Yeah. So I was working with a young
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man and I said OK, just sing it, which is a well known thing.
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All my speech pathologists out there, what have you.
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I mean, people even with debilitating stutters, tend to
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lose it when they're singing. Why?
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Because the singing it, it, it breaks the feedback loop of
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because the limbic system sends out these terror signals, but
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the singing goes to the very heart and soul of your body and
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your brain, and it then sends these different signals on all
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those speech patterns. And it's pretty awesome.
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So, Paul, have you done your Vespers yet?
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No, but I would love to. Let's just do like a minute to
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show people how. To minute, Why don't we do 15
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minutes? How long do you usually do these
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episodes? 15 minutes.
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Let's just let's just do like a couple lines just to show.
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People, I don't, so I I'll sing a song with you from Vespers,
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but I'm not. I don't do a couple lines of
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Vespers once I'm in. I don't even let a a natural
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disaster prevent me from finishing once I start.
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Very, very nice. I mean, think about it, If, if,
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if, if I'm in the zone and I'm offering the sacrifice, I'm not
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going to stop. OK, so you use I Breviary.
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So walk through people how they do this if they want to join
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this ancient pair of the church based on Holy Scripture that for
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thousands of years Christians have prayed.
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You don't have to be any particular stripe of Christian,
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Orthodox Catholic. So you can be any, you can be
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any Christian anywhere. And yeah, there's this app
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called I Breviary. It's free, right?
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Yes, yes it is. Free.
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No, sorry. Yes, totally free.
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OK, yeah, totally free. So let's do a.
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Let's just do 1. Yeah.
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So we're going to do how this is done.
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We're just going to do the Tuesday 1.
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So we're we're though you use the word sing but sing the
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hours, but it's it's actually chant the hours, no.
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Yeah, I'm chanting. It's.
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Chant. It's chanting, yeah.
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Oh yeah. Oh yeah, look.
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The point is, everybody, Jesus is waiting to hear you sing him
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a love song. That's all I've got to say.
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And if you do. Don't.
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No, I remember. You don't offer him vegetables
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like Cain. I love, I extremely love your
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passion and zeal and what you've done with this ministry,
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whatever you want to call it, a pasta.
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It's it's truly amazing what Paul has done.
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But I remember you said something to me a couple years
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ago that really stuck where you said, have you ever thought,
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have you ever imagined visualized Jesus, our Lord and
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Savior singing? Yeah.
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Have you ever thought about him singing?
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What would it have sounded like if Jesus sang?
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That sounds like a what we're about to do right now.
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Let's. Let's do it.
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All right. Well, maybe, maybe more.
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You you're, you're the, you're the professional.
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So let's just do a very. We'll do OK.
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Which one are we going to? Night per right or evening per
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evening per Yeah. OK, the second Psalm we can
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start with. That OK, the second Psalm.
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We can start with the second Psalm.
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That's fine. All right, we'll just do it.
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It's the short. Psalm Psalm one, 25131 is the
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second Psalm Short psalms a piece of cake.
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It's not even going to take us 10 one minute.
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It'll take us 30 seconds. OK, All right, so we're just
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going to do it. OK, so it starts with an
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antiphon. So we trade off you, you say a.
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Sigma by two lines, Yeah. So here we go.
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Let's do it in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of
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the Holy Spirit, as I was. Amen.
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Unless you acquire the heart of a child, you cannot enter the
21:16
Kingdom of God. Oh Lord, my heart is not proud,
21:22
nor haughty, my eyes. I have not.
21:27
Oh gosh, sorry. Only go lower.
21:31
I'll start lower. That's fine.
21:32
I, I I I have not I'll. Start lowering no and I'll.
21:37
I have not gone after things too great nor marvels beyond me.
21:43
Truly, I have set my soul in silence and peace.
21:48
As a child has rest, as a child has rest in its mother's arms,
21:53
Even so my soul. O Israel, hope in the Lord both
21:58
now and forever. Glory to the Father and to the
22:04
Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is
22:09
now and will be forever running. Unless you acquire the heart of
22:16
a child, you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.
22:22
So what's beautiful about that? First of all, lovely.
22:28
It's great. It's great.
22:29
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22:32
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22:34
beautiful. And, and even for myself, if
22:36
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22:40
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Well, it's true. Like if.
24:32
Like if you practice, if you do this daily within.
24:37
Three days, it'll be a piece of cake.
24:39
It's so amazing how much the. Yeah, But the other cool thing
24:43
about it is that I often contemplate Andrea Bocelli has a
24:47
great voice, But Andrea Bocelli's voice compared to the
24:51
cherubim and seraphim who sing God's praises eternally, Andrea
24:55
Bocelli sounds like a trash can. So in terms of the margin of
25:00
difference between you and I, Andrea Bocelli and then the
25:04
cherubim? Are you saying that you are the
25:08
Seraphin and I'm Andrea Bocelli and I sound like a trash can?
25:12
I'm saying that you, me and Andrea Bocelli are all the same
25:14
in God's eyes in terms of the singing, because.
25:16
It's OK, I know I'm not as good of a singer as you.
25:19
I accept. And I know I'm not as good as
25:21
Andrea Bocelli or a Cherubim, but I never will be.
25:23
But I can still. I mean, all I have is my little.
25:26
Well, it's like the drummer boy. Like, you know, the little
25:28
Drummer boy. Yeah, what can I give him?
25:32
But yeah, so. You just.
25:34
You just give God's own own words back to him, I think.
25:36
That's like the little like little kids, like if you go to
25:38
like a kids concert or you see your little kid singing, they
25:41
have no, they just belt it out. You know, they're just on on.
25:46
They're just full of joy. There's no, I mean, now it's
25:49
it's easy to be self-conscious, to be honest on this podcast
25:51
because it's like a podcast and it's for the YouTube channel.
25:53
It's a podcast. This is a podcast.
25:57
But anyways, the point I think you're making, which I love, is
26:01
that just give them your heart and just put your heart into it
26:04
and. And do it with other people too.
26:06
Like it's a that's the beautiful thing about this is that I was
26:09
on a retreat recently. We, we ran a Sing the hours
26:12
retreat. And there's a really phenomenal
26:15
thing that happens when nobody's microphone and nobody has an
26:17
instrument. If you got like 30, even, even
26:21
if you had 10 people and now you're all chanting the Psalms
26:23
and now you're, there's just one voice that comes out of it.
26:26
After a few lines you guys get In Sync and even if you have 4.
26:30
People at the beach, the. Other day and what happens is
26:33
then it's like wait a second there is a body of Christ and
26:35
wait a second, there is a oneness.
26:38
We're all one in Christ Jesus because we're literally in his
26:41
words right now and we're offering him our words.
26:43
So every he's All in all in this circumstance and our
26:46
relationship to each other is as Co experiencers of the word of
26:51
God and our voices then become one.
26:54
And humans are really good at when there's enough, you know,
26:56
enough force of when there's enough people, eventually, like
27:00
the pitch becomes pretty good, you know, and it's a really
27:04
phenomenal experience to strip away all the modern hang ups we
27:06
have where we amplify everything and we got so many instruments
27:10
for jamming into it. And now and now we get this this
27:12
like it's now about the music instead of the word and what we
27:17
just we were meditating on the word.
27:18
We were just chewing on scripture, aside from the false
27:21
start at the beginning, which is beautiful.
27:22
I love that you. Oh, it's OK.
27:25
But no, I mean, so you, if you think about it, it's it's about
27:29
the Scripture first. The music is there as a vehicle
27:34
of beauty, a vehicle of unity, and a vehicle of raising up the
27:42
whole body, the breath into the experience.
27:45
And so when you that prayer is so foreign to most Christians in
27:50
general, no matter what kind of Christian you are, how often do
27:54
you have such a, you know, a communal, truly servant minded
28:00
experience of Scripture? And that's why liturgy hours is
28:02
so special. And this isn't my like thing.
28:04
It's like this is what they did at the Abbey today.
28:07
That's what every lonely priest does in his rectory by itself at
28:10
night. Just.
28:11
To brag on what you're doing. It's really, I think again, I'm
28:14
no expert the way Paul is on this, but what I can see looking
28:17
at you and this has been a project years in the making, is
28:19
that you see, this is like very special gem.
28:23
It's literally a gem of the church that we have the Psalms.
28:26
First of all, like the Psalms are incredible.
28:28
These are the prayers to pray, right?
28:29
These are the prayers Jesus prayed.
28:31
They're the prayers that we all throughout Christendom have
28:33
prayed. How do, well, do we know our
28:35
Psalms? Do we do we sing them?
28:36
Do we pray them daily? We should pray the Psalms daily.
28:39
But then you're not just praying any old Psalms daily.
28:41
You're doing this in union with the rest of the church
28:44
throughout Christendom for, for centuries.
28:46
But what I love that you're done, Paul, is you've you
28:49
haven't modernized it like with like string, the guitar, like
28:52
let's modernize it, but you're just bringing it through a
28:55
modern medium podcast and all this stuff.
28:58
You're doing it with your voice, which, you know, you used to
29:00
want to be like Justin Bieber, right?
29:03
So you've got the Oh yeah, you've got the cool, but your
29:06
voice is beautiful. But it's not, it's not like a
29:09
opera voice, you know? It's not like a.
29:11
I've actually had to unlearn a lot of in order to pray
29:14
properly, I've had to strip down a lot of stylistic things that I
29:18
learned in order because because now even when I record, it
29:21
really is I'm just I, I. Meaning you've gotten less
29:25
poppy. Over time with this podcast, my
29:28
voice is my voice, yeah. And my voice is they're.
29:31
Not saying that in a negative. Way sure, sure.
29:32
No, no, but but yeah, I mean the very medium itself, there's no
29:36
rhythm in the enchant so I'm not confound to a beat.
29:39
It's not going to get you get your hips moving.
29:43
It's just it's designed to move the soul.
29:45
But. What I love about what you're
29:47
doing is that you have now have how many millions of views and
29:51
downloads with. Different a lot.
29:52
Yeah, like millions of people, you know, at least hundreds of
29:56
thousands are doing these prayer.
29:58
Yeah, but so many millions more do it and you know, it's not.
30:02
It's the beautiful thing. I was thinking about this
30:04
tonight. If we had done what time is it?
30:06
So we just missed it. But if we had done Complan a few
30:08
minutes ago, I think they do it at 9:00, we would have done it
30:14
exactly. And this is the cool thing.
30:16
If you ever do do the hours on the hour, you don't have to as
30:20
like people, even with priests, there's not strict rules.
30:22
But what's so cool is that sometimes if I, if it's 9:00 PM,
30:27
I'll be like, I gotta do confident.
30:28
Now you know why? Because then I know for a fact
30:30
that on the East Coast, I will guarantee you that at least at
30:34
that moment, at least on any given day, 5000, people are now
30:41
singing or praying the exact same text.
30:43
So you get this. Wait a second.
30:46
I am now mystically being united because that's what liturgy does
30:50
too, is liturgy unites you across time and space.
30:54
And when one Mass is offered in a in a Chapel, it's still Jesus
30:59
offering himself with the whole world.
31:01
That's why you can, you can pray for souls anywhere.
31:03
And the Mass is all-encompassing literacy hours is like that too.
31:07
And the sign of the literacy hours being like that is is in
31:10
some ways more visible because like just up the road at that
31:14
Abbey. If we now anytime you're at work
31:17
now that you now that you know what they do and you can look at
31:20
their schedule online. It's the same schedule that is
31:21
for the global church. If you the other day I woke up
31:25
at five, 5:30 AM because my baby and it was 530 AM on the dot and
31:30
I started doing office of readings.
31:31
Guess what? Unbeknownst to me, that's when
31:33
they were doing their office of readings down the road.
31:35
And I was even chanting because they do all the old music and I
31:38
do the old music and I do it with the right, you know,
31:41
matching it up, right. I was singing the same stuff and
31:43
probably the same tune. They were singing it up the
31:45
road. So now it's not, it's not just
31:47
you singing. You're I was united to those,
31:49
you know, 60-70 monks, They're Even so that close.
31:52
That's a really powerful idea. It's really special and nobody
31:56
is like having to make a movement.
31:58
Like it's, it's not even a movement that I could make
32:00
because the movement is like 10 billion strong in heaven right
32:03
now because heaven and earth all do it together.
32:05
I'm certain of that. And so like the movement's
32:07
there. So it's like just jump in, you
32:09
know, like be a, be a part of it.
32:11
The prayer is universal. It's incredible that that that
32:15
mystery is, it's brilliant because the center of the
32:18
mystery is the fact that Christ, it has truly overcome the world.
32:23
And that's the sign of it. I think about Cavemen all the
32:25
time. Cavemen did horrible things.
32:29
But your ancestor was a caveman and my ancestor was a caveman.
32:32
And that caveman had the same DNA we did.
32:34
And those male, no, listen, this is important.
32:36
Those male Cavemen were especially brutal.
32:39
Males are no good, not good news.
32:41
They would. They would pillage another tribe
32:43
and do terrible things. My gosh.
32:45
We do that. Today, no, but but it was a more
32:47
of a universal but like like Cain was like 50% of humans were
32:50
murderers at one point with Cain and Abel, whatever.
32:52
So here's the crazy. Thing.
32:55
Whatever they probably they they murdered all of humanity with
32:59
their sin. Anyway.
33:00
The crazy thing is the miracle of the caveman is that the
33:04
creature with the same DNA like mountain lions back then behave
33:08
the same way mountain lions behave now.
33:09
But God exists and were made in his image because of you have
33:14
the image in the 11th century of a whole group of maybe 1000
33:19
monks in a monastery and rather than 1000 monks and a monster
33:22
being together and their ancestors all would have wanted
33:25
to murder everyone else and be the top alpha.
33:28
But wait. For it I lost.
33:31
Wait for it, I truly lost. Her now the same creature in the
33:36
monastery whose ancestors all killed each other, is now
33:39
singing together. Salva Regina.
33:46
They're thinking about a woman together, not in a lustful way,
33:49
not in a domineering way. Like I mean, come on, chance.
33:54
The the chance of the church. I have done more for the rights
33:58
of man and the human dignity of the creature.
34:00
It also proves the existence of God.
34:02
Because I'm telling you right now, no anthropologist, no
34:05
biologist, no person could possibly explain if the Holy
34:09
Spirit didn't do something crazy and Jesus didn't come to earth
34:12
2000 years ago. If you can have the same
34:15
creature with the same DNA in 1000AD meeting together, not to
34:20
murder each other and compete for resources, but just to sing
34:29
and be celibate like what is happening here.
34:33
That's why it's important that we we preserve these traditions
34:36
because there are there are contradiction of the times, but
34:39
they're also they not just for the especially for the beauty
34:43
they they reveal the nature of God and the exalted nature of
34:47
man redeemed in a really special way.
34:50
Sorry for that Tang. You can cut all that out if you
34:53
want. That's that's the bonus episode
34:55
right there, the caveman rant. I know I, I, I lost you.
34:58
Just cut it out. I lost you.
35:00
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martyrs? Yeah, I was thinking on the way
36:17
here. I would be great to discuss
36:18
martyrs, but I wanted to hear about Sing the Hours and just
36:21
talk to my brother. Let's just use that as the
36:24
segue. So we're talking about these
36:25
monks who pray down the road. We might be cutting that out so.
36:29
But OK, well, monks pray literally the hours and they're
36:31
kind of martyrs. The reason why they wear black
36:33
or white or whatever, Like a priest wearing black, he's dead.
36:38
Dead to the world. That's one of the traditional
36:40
ways of talking. Why?
36:41
Why do priests walk around wearing?
36:42
Black this is what I was thinking.
36:44
So we're talking two days before this event that I'm going to,
36:49
and I was kind of, oh gosh, I've been proud to prep this talk and
36:52
I praying and thinking about it. And they martyrs, you and I have
36:57
been talking about the martyrs and what it takes to be a
36:59
martyr, to die for God and for his truth and for his people.
37:07
And you, you read the stories of the martyrs, Christian martyrs,
37:11
and they're very grisly, very intense.
37:16
And you kind of try to imagine yourself having the courage,
37:20
quite frankly, to do that. And you're like, oh, you know,
37:25
how, how, how can I have any shred of that courage?
37:28
And maybe some people feel confidence in a moment, like I
37:31
think I got this in the moment, but who knows how you'll deal
37:33
with it, the pressure when it comes.
37:36
And you said something really interesting because we were
37:38
talking about this a lot the last few days.
37:40
You said something really interesting about how you
37:43
believe that singing the Psalms prepares one for martyrdom.
37:50
Oh yeah, totally. I mean, that's why Christ relied
37:53
on the Psalms on the cross. But he's saying, oh God, my God,
37:57
why? Like you're training you're.
37:58
Psyche into your hands I command my spirit.
38:01
Yeah, it's a powerful idea and it's true, I think, in order to
38:08
not be freaked out by martyrdom, or even death for that matter.
38:11
Death is something we put out of our minds.
38:12
But if people really think about it, it is scary.
38:16
It's universally scary. There's some people who say that
38:18
they're not scared of death though.
38:20
They're wrong. You think they are?
38:22
If there was suddenly a flash flood and they were in a car,
38:25
they get scared. They wouldn't be serene.
38:27
Those same people, I wouldn't be serene.
38:30
There are. I have met some people though
38:31
that I think that it's almost like they don't care what
38:33
happens to them after they die. It's a kind of almost like a
38:35
form of despair in my opinion. It's an ontological suicide.
38:38
Yeah, it's like, and that's I guess behind some suicides
38:42
anyways, but like there's just like, oh, nothing happens, kill
38:45
me now, it's not a big deal. And that's, I mean, that sounds
38:49
pretty hellish. Yeah, so there is that.
38:51
I think that's a fair amount of moderns.
38:53
Today, I wouldn't have ever, like, felt the visceral horror
38:58
of like, what would life be like without my child before I have
39:02
my child, you know? And now that I see my baby every
39:05
day and I'm frankly kind of addicted to her, like looking at
39:09
me and me looking at her. Like this had a new baby.
39:11
Yeah, and our babies are? Like 4 months, yeah.
39:13
And I'm like, I'm low key day by day, just falling in love with
39:17
this creature. And now I think if I lost her
39:21
for whatever reason, it would be the end of all things.
39:24
And that is, that's an interesting thing that these
39:27
people, it's, it's easy to forfeit your love for life if
39:36
you have never relished in true experience of beauty, true
39:41
experience of goodness. Like if, if your life is devoid
39:45
of purpose, if somebody says like, I don't care what happens,
39:49
what happens to me when they die, it's probably because they
39:51
don't care what's happening in their life right now.
39:54
Well, I think it's because they haven't really experienced love.
39:57
They haven't really experienced being loved and having that and
40:02
they haven't really loved. And so it's easy for them to
40:05
peace out because what's holding them here?
40:09
And and then sadly even peace out in the afterlife because
40:13
it's like what's holding me there?
40:15
No, there's no one there. It's a black chasm.
40:16
So there's no love there. There's no love.
40:18
There's nobody to love in this worldview.
40:21
And then? You know, unfortunately, like
40:23
God doesn't force anyone to go love him in heaven forever.
40:25
Like if you want to go to hell effectively and not be with God
40:28
forever, God will respect your choice.
40:30
Yeah, this is the it's kind of the desert island phenomenon
40:35
where people who Tom Hanks is on the desert island and he thinks
40:40
his life worth living. A lot of people in terms
40:45
castaway, a lot of people in terms of how their lived
40:47
experience of daily life. It's so siloed, atomized,
40:50
granularized apart from real authentic human relationship and
40:55
community. And when you think about death,
40:57
this is this is the punchline here.
41:00
It's it's partially about singing, you're right, singing
41:02
the Psalms, but also approaching martyrdom.
41:06
It's not that the Christian thinks, how can I get to a place
41:10
where I could be martyred. It's that the Christian in a in
41:15
Christendom, in most times of human history, thinks instead,
41:20
how can we outdo ourselves next year in celebrating this grisly
41:23
murder that happened? Far from thinking, how do we
41:27
make sense of this? Our buddy Teddy just got his
41:31
eyes plucked out. Next year they're going to take
41:33
his eyeballs that were plucked out, put him on a plate, and
41:37
process with them around the town in joyful, jubilant,
41:40
glorious. And then they're going to take a
41:42
fingernail of his and put it in a Catholic altar 200 miles away
41:45
to make a Church of Saint Teddy. Yeah, and I think some people
41:47
are just like the modern sensibility is so.
41:51
I mean, when you even think about the fact that in most of
41:53
our churches, at least Catholic churches and Orthodox churches,
41:57
Jesus Christ is there on a crucifix almost completely naked
42:03
in total. Brutalized.
42:05
Completely brutalized and they even tone it down.
42:07
But I mean nails in his hands and his feet.
42:09
You know, I was just go at church with my little boys and
42:12
there is Jesus nails in his seat.
42:13
They're touching the nail. I mean it's just a grisly image
42:16
like this is a man who's in the form of complete humiliation and
42:20
torture and it's in every church in the world.
42:23
I mean, in one sense you can understand if someone came out
42:25
from like an alien from outer space and it's like, I'm going
42:27
to go check out a Catholic Church today and they walk in
42:30
and like holy, like, who are these people?
42:32
Why are they putting the poor guy?
42:34
And what kind of savagery is this that they're worshipping?
42:37
They're they worshipping savagery, you know?
42:41
And I think even most Catholics are undereducated on like how is
42:45
an altar consecrated? Did you know that every altar
42:48
virtually in existence has first class relics in it?
42:52
They build into the marble or wood or whatever.
42:55
Acrylics of a St. and sometimes a martyr.
42:56
Every single church must be built with the bones, with the
43:00
actual bones of a guy who was or a woman who was brutally
43:04
murdered. It's usually martyrs, but it's
43:05
also other Saints. And like in the old church, it
43:07
was just martyrs. So we used to say, hey dude,
43:10
Teddy made it. He survived to the end.
43:13
Let's take little pieces of his body, put it in altars and we're
43:17
just going to be celebrating his victory till the day we die.
43:20
And like, it's in that context with processions and songs and
43:24
hymns of praise and like a cohesive it's, it's like far
43:31
from being afraid of death. That's the sort of Christendom
43:34
that inspires new Martyrs, but in a good way.
43:37
What's different from this? And maybe like, this is purely
43:40
about inspiring people to be willing to make the ultimate
43:43
sacrifice for love. And part of that is.
43:47
Well, that's why Jesus is on the cross and the church.
43:49
It's for love. It's.
43:50
Not it's not for self. Right.
43:52
It's not, it's not. It's not like self harm or self.
43:54
Flagration or he just gave a lot of grisly details, like the
43:56
altar things. Is is shocking.
43:58
That's shocking to a lot of people, but it's not because
44:00
it's a death cult or you're obsessed with death.
44:02
It's because precisely through Jesus Christ, life has overcome
44:06
death. He has overcome death.
44:08
And so like our body parts in the altar or whatever, as you're
44:11
describing, it's like we know there's a resurrection of the
44:13
dead. We know that there's eternal
44:15
life, there's an eternal Kingdom.
44:17
We know that he can welcome us into his Kingdom because he has
44:19
purchased us through He has purchased our salvation.
44:22
We know all of these things. And so there's this incredible
44:25
joy and relief and almost like laughter at death because of
44:29
that. And the.
44:30
Martyrs, so many of them, we were talking about this the
44:32
other day. They're going to their death.
44:34
All these historical accounts, many of them went through their
44:37
went to their death singing literally like we're talking
44:42
about literature of the hours sing the hours they go to their
44:44
death, many of them praising God, the name of Jesus on their
44:47
lips and singing. When you think about some of
44:50
these horrific ways that some of these people were killed and the
44:53
fact that some of them went to death singing to like horrific
44:57
torture, how certainly it was a grace from God that they had
45:02
that disposition. How do we have the disposition?
45:08
Well, you got to be I. How do we, how do we in our
45:11
daily lives, develop the faith, the hope, the love to be even
45:16
prepared 1 little bit for that kind of adulation of God in a
45:22
moment of extreme suffering and fear, potential fear?
45:26
I don't know. So there's a lot of parables
45:28
that address this. Sorry, maybe before we go to
45:30
that, we should share an example of this.
45:32
I'll just share the one that I was reading about recently.
45:34
It's very, very heavy. Should I share it?
45:36
St. Margaret.
45:37
OK, I had, oh, a friend of mine, We were texting about this today
45:42
and I was asking this friend. I'll just share.
45:44
I was asking this friend because I'm preparing this speech about
45:47
martyrs and I'm doing this research, and I was asking his
45:50
friend about mothers because I'm a mother.
45:52
And I, you know, as you know, on the show, I talk about this and
45:54
trying to figure out how to be a good mother and all this stuff
45:56
and be the best mother I can be for my kids.
45:59
And what about mothers who are doing maybe some risky things in
46:03
their ministry or their evangelization or their pasta,
46:06
whatever. And what about the kids being at
46:08
some kind of a risk or whatever, right?
46:10
And I think about there's this family called the Oma family,
46:13
Uma family, Oma family, a Polish family.
46:15
During World War 2, they hid Jews on the family farm, this
46:20
little Polish family with like 7 kids, little kids, and they hid
46:23
Jews. And the German police found out
46:27
and they were snitched on. The German police came and lined
46:29
them all up and shot them to death.
46:31
And the Ulma family, when they chose to hide Jews, they knew
46:34
that this could mean death for them and potentially their
46:37
children, like horrible things, but they still did it because
46:40
they loved people. And so they're considered
46:42
martyrs by the Catholic Church. They're considered martyrs.
46:45
The one I was reading about today, I'm going to pull this
46:48
up. I sent this on a joint text.
46:51
Heard wrong. So I was like, holy Minoli, this
46:53
is so. This is so convicting.
46:57
Her name is Saint Margaret of Clithero.
47:00
She was a mother of three people.
47:03
This is a poem you sent about her by Gerard Manley Hopkins.
47:07
Gerard Manley Hopkins wrote a poem about Saint Margaret of
47:11
Clitheroe, but I'm not going to read that poem, although it's
47:15
very beautiful. I want to just read a little bit
47:18
about the events of her life. Do you?
47:19
Do you remember them, Paul? Do I?
47:20
Do I? Do you have this memorized?
47:22
You're so you're so smart. You're so smart.
47:24
You want. To talk.
47:25
She was crushed to death. She was hiding priests.
47:27
She was hiding priests from the Brits, from the Brits, You know,
47:30
the the British people. This was in the year the 16th
47:34
century, right? Yeah, 16th century.
47:36
They there was so much refinement, supposedly, and so
47:39
many rules of decorum and decor or decorum and behavior, I
47:43
should say. But the brutal tortures they
47:46
subjected, their political and religious enemies, too, are
47:50
unheard of. But what she did is she hid.
47:53
She hid priests and she was a mother of three.
47:56
She was like 29 years old, this woman married to a wealthy
47:59
butcher in town, you know, passionately in love with Jesus.
48:02
She had these priests who were being lined up to be executed.
48:05
They caught her. Someone snitched on her.
48:07
They caught her. They told her basically that
48:10
they were going to get her kids and the, and the and the
48:12
servants in her home to testify against her if she didn't.
48:17
I don't remember the exact like judicial proceedings.
48:19
Do you know, I'm not, I'm not saying this part correctly, but
48:22
bottom, bottom bottom line is she didn't, she chose this
48:27
heinous form of being executed instead of subjecting the people
48:31
in her house to further scrutiny, which could have
48:33
included torture. So she did this to protect her
48:35
children, her servants, and to protect the priest that she had
48:38
been trying to safeguard for years.
48:40
And they literally crushed her to death underneath her own
48:44
physical door. They took the door off of her
48:46
home and put a sharp rock under her neck, stripped her naked and
48:50
crushed her to death. I mean, like, you even think
48:52
about that. It's just like, what, what did I
48:54
just hear? It's so dark.
48:55
It's so heavy. And but as she was being killed,
48:58
she was saying, Jesus, Lord, have mercy on me.
49:01
Have mercy on me. And then before she was killed,
49:04
she says, the sheriff's have said that I'm going to die this
49:07
coming Friday. And I feel the weakness of my
49:09
flesh, which is troubled at this news.
49:11
But my spirit rejoices greatly. For the love of God, pray for me
49:14
and ask all good people to do likewise.
49:17
Thomas Moore had his Psalter his.
49:20
Breviary in the Tower of London prayed the Psalms till the end.
49:27
Paul Miki chanted the tadam from the Liturgy of the Hours on a
49:31
600 mile death March from Kyoto to Nagasaki, where he and like
49:35
30 other Japanese Christians were crucified and brutalized.
49:39
And when he was on the cross, he was just trying to preach, to
49:43
convince people that to accept the mercy of God.
49:46
He just was like full of zeal to the end.
49:49
But you get there from the work of the historians say that in
49:52
the 600 mile death March, he chanted the tadam the whole
49:55
time, much to the annoyance of the guards.
49:58
They joyfully and the tadam is very exultant.
50:08
Here we go, she said. God be thanked, I am not worthy
50:14
of so good a death as this. I die for the love of my Lord
50:20
Jesus. Yeah, but what does she mean
50:26
worthy of so great a death as. This What does that mean?
50:31
She talking about Christ's death on the cross.
50:34
She's not worthy enough to be crucified.
50:35
What is she talking about there? What does that mean?
50:39
That she gets to go? That she believed.
50:41
That being martyred for Jesus, she means she gets to go
50:44
straight into the arms of Jesus upon death.
50:46
God be thanked that I am not worthy for that.
50:48
I am that I am that I am. She says I am not.
50:53
Worthy of. This death, she's saying I'm not
50:56
worthy. I'm not worthy of SO.
50:58
Good. A death as this.
51:00
She's so grateful for the death and even the instrument of
51:03
torture. That's like what she's saying
51:04
there. I mean, yeah.
51:10
We've got to wrap this show so. Let's well, OK, so some
51:13
practicals if. You have a door in your house.
51:17
I'm just kidding. So some practicals sing the
51:21
hours. Practicals listen to Sing the
51:25
Hours or download a breviary or buy a breviary or subscribe to
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the Is it bad for me to start Pimp?
51:31
You can go. You do it projecting OK.
51:34
You're fine, but I. Think back to the the martyrs
51:37
stuff. Is fidelity in the little things
51:40
right? It's like, oh, I want the the
51:41
strength to be a martyr. One day we'll give the strength
51:44
to be kind to your family and to do the dishes.
51:49
Read your Bible like, like do the little things.
51:52
Like and Jesus himself says, be faithful in the little things
51:56
and that's where we practice. That's like our little mini boot
51:59
camps every day to be prepared for the moment when the Lord may
52:02
give us the opportunity to do even more for Him.
52:05
As a final note, I used to be very.
52:07
Afraid of eternity my teenage years, I remember having a few
52:12
like just couple days even of terror like how could I even
52:17
live forever? Wouldn't I just be like on a
52:20
runaway train towards exhaustion and you can never escape?
52:23
Even if I was seeing God, even if I'm in heaven, wouldn't I get
52:26
like tedious? How could you live forever?
52:30
The the thing that I realized is just like I used to be afraid of
52:36
bench pressing. I never thought, wow, I could
52:39
bench 202 plates like right away.
52:42
But after 140 days straight of going to the gym in my early
52:45
20s, I got to two plates like you can get And in heaven.
52:51
Revelation describes how we will sing the praises of God forever.
52:56
In the last few years, especially with singing so much,
52:59
I've gotten to a very strange point where and I've talked to a
53:04
lot of people who sing the hours where they have a similar
53:08
experience in the in at the monastery today, I wished it was
53:13
longer. It was daytime prayer.
53:16
It was about 8 minutes and I thought, man, if only like Lord,
53:19
don't let me go down the mountain.
53:21
I just want to don't remember. Peter said, why don't we stay
53:23
here forever When Christ showed his heavenly glory, He's like,
53:25
let's just let's just build some tents, stay here forever.
53:29
Let's not go down and you get to the point where it is so clearly
53:33
an experience of heaven. And when you do it, you get that
53:38
grace on earth to do it in the song of the literature of the
53:41
hours, it actually has created a great desire for heaven.
53:44
And I think that that is another aspect in which it does prepare
53:47
you for martyrdom. Because all I want to do is sing
53:50
to my Lord in the with the veil torn back.
53:54
It's all I want to do. And that's, that's real talk.
53:58
And the more I do it, the more I want it.
54:01
And I never would have imagined. I'm telling you.
54:03
I started off being terrified of the idea.
54:05
When I read Revelation, I was like, what are we just going to
54:07
do? Like sing?
54:08
And just like it's going to be exhausting.
54:10
But no one last question. It's a real deal.
54:13
It's. So beautiful Paul, how is
54:15
martyrdom different than and the desire for it because you want
54:18
to go sing forever to our Lord in heaven different from hey, I
54:22
kind of hope I die today and get in a car crash or something.
54:26
Oh. Because martyrdom is a
54:29
participation in Christ's act of love.
54:34
It's a participation in configuring yourself to Christ
54:39
in a more perfect way. And so it's a special calling.
54:43
It's a unique calling. And it would be very, very, I
54:48
hope that, I mean, I can't say, God willing, that I hope that I
54:51
will be martyred. But if I were approaching that,
54:56
and if you were, then hopefully God would give you the grace and
54:59
you'd have enough nature that that was built on to sustain it.
55:03
But I mean, the point is that like it is a very, very unique
55:07
and beautiful sign of Christ. And when you become a, another
55:11
Christ, then there's a great dignity in that.
55:15
And it's a great, great privilege.
55:17
And and the thing that gives me hope is that.
55:20
Jesus is with you in it, like Saint Stephen, the first martyr.
55:23
It was like he looked to heaven and then he it's like he fell
55:26
asleep and they're stoning him to death.
55:28
Yes, this young Christian man who just was full of love for
55:31
Jesus and the martyrs, he died. So he like died almost.
55:34
Like he fell. Asleep, the scripture says.
55:36
Now again, not all martyrdoms are like that one.
55:38
The martyrs of Compien were that for.
55:41
Each other when these nuns look up the martyrs of Compien, the
55:43
French Revolution, when these nuns were assisting.
55:46
Each other and praying. Vespers and finishing the chant
55:49
as their heads hit the pavement. They, I guarantee you, since
55:54
those nuns, those Carmelites in their rule would have prayed all
55:58
150 psalms every week with many repeats per day.
56:01
So they're praying like 300 psalms a week.
56:04
And when you do that with your sisters, and the reason why they
56:07
chose that vocation is because they believe this is leaving the
56:10
world. We're participating in heaven
56:12
now. We're still on earth in our
56:13
exile, but we're just going to do the heaven stuff.
56:15
We're going to sing to God. And so in doing that, as their
56:18
heads hit the floor and they were being guillotined one by
56:20
one, they were the heavens opening up for each other.
56:24
Because for them, just as I've just started to understand, for
56:28
them participate, participating in the sacred chant of the
56:32
Psalms passed down, that is heaven.
56:36
That's what heaven shall be. So they were living heaven.
56:41
In the in a way, even as they walked to enter Heaven through
56:45
this grisly death being guillotined, I believe.
56:48
As we said at the beginning of the conversation, I believe.
56:50
That all liturgy is a ripping, A partial tear of the veil between
56:55
heaven and earth. They're they're they're the new
56:57
Jerusalem meets the old Jerusalem in liturgy in every
57:00
Tabernacle. That's the new Jerusalem in
57:02
every Catholic Mass, every Orthodox Divine Liturgy, heaven
57:06
and earth are are, are, have have met and kissed.
57:10
And what's really interesting about that idea is that it when
57:14
you have these stories like the martyrs of Campion and they're
57:16
doing liturgy as they die, you're getting a crazy
57:21
singularity, a crazy convergence of that reality.
57:24
Because they truly are stepping up to the parapet and just
57:30
already doing the heaven and earth thing and then immediately
57:33
entering heaven as martyrs. And so it's just like, why
57:37
aren't there? Weren't there movies made about
57:39
that? That's the most incredible
57:41
dramatic moment in the last 200 years, in my opinion, is like
57:44
something like the Martyrs of Gumby or Maximilian Colby, who
57:47
just chanted in his cell. And there's some folks making a
57:50
movie on that right now. Is he going to be singing?
57:53
I hope those film makers have some reference point because
57:55
like we said, like he's saying as he died, Yeah, it's true.
57:59
He. Did he just was like and and
58:01
they didn't even. They only knew, if memory
58:03
serves, that he had died because the singing stopped and they
58:05
came in there and he was just sort of peacefully lying there.
58:08
But like his last, and you know what?
58:10
The singing did not stop, he just got his strength.
58:15
Back in his. Temporary, you know, like I
58:20
mean, he, he was received into Jesus's arms and he just kept,
58:24
kept singing. So his death was also like
58:27
another convergence of this reality where heaven and earth
58:31
meet and then you step off, you know, so martyrdom might not be
58:36
very. My hope is if if I can imagine
58:39
like my death, my hope is that it will be surrounded by enough
58:43
sung prayer that I also don't notice the passing of the of the
58:49
shadow. That'd be very special.
58:51
And I would wish that on anybody.
58:53
Let's start a ministry where we pray to where we sing it.
58:55
Sing to people the scripture while they die.
58:58
Be crazy. We're staying outside of an
59:00
abortion clinic. Why don't we sing in office for
59:03
the dead? Yeah, that's very powerful.
59:07
I don't know if. What?
59:08
I mean, you can have someone else on the show who's that
59:10
experience of that. But yeah, we've sung Psalms
59:14
outside of abortion clinics. I've never done an office in
59:15
literature. The hours outside of an abortion
59:17
clinic. Bring Jesus right there.
59:20
Heaven and earth. Bring heaven, earth and hell
59:23
right together. What you'd get Dante's Paradiso
59:26
if you sang the the liturgy outside an abortion clinic.
59:30
Anyway, we got a rap. Paul, Where can people find?
59:36
Your work singthehours.org or YouTube?
59:40
I sing the hours, Spotify, we're filming.
59:43
We're filming this by the way at like 10.
59:45
PM I have a flight tomorrow morning at like 7:00 AM and we
59:48
both have probably screaming children back.
59:50
At the house. So we will wrap, but thank you
59:52
for listening. You're the best, Sissy.
59:55
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