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Grammy Awards winner, Kirk Franklin talks faith, food & music. Discusses new podcast, 'Good Words' · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: My next guest is an industry decision maker. He is
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Speaker 1: a celebrity, he is a CEO, and he is an entrepreneur.
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Speaker 1: His name is Kirk Franklin. He's a six time Grammy
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Speaker 1: Award winning artist songwriter and his latest album is their
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Speaker 1: claimed Long Live, Long Live Love, which is his thirteenth
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Speaker 1: studio your album. He released a new single and video
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Speaker 1: from the album Strong Guard this past summer. He's gonna
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Speaker 1: show to discuss something I'm excited to talking about his
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Speaker 1: new podcast, Good Words with Kurt Franklin almost like good News,
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Speaker 1: a new podcast series that work with people from every
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Speaker 1: cross section of life and who seek inspiration and empowerment.
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Speaker 1: Block this day in February and ninth. That's the date
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Speaker 1: everybody where. He's in conjunction with Sony Music Entertainment dropping
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Speaker 1: good words with Kurt Franklin on the podcast Please work
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Speaker 1: with the money making conversation. He's my good friend. He's
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Speaker 1: been in my life man since ninety four. I'm from Houston, Texas.
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Speaker 1: He's up in that Dallas Dallas Folk area, Texas. Boys.
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Kurt Franklin. How you doing, Kurt? How
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Speaker 1: you doing man? Well, welcome to my new studio, Kurt.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do it. Man. I'm trying to step
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Speaker 1: up man in my game. Man. No, man, you look good, brother,
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Speaker 1: look good. You got a little flex happening in that
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Speaker 1: love it. Thank you. How you been doing man? You
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Speaker 1: know we're coming out of twenty going in one. We
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Speaker 1: talked about new podcast, but let's let's step back a
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Speaker 1: little bit and talk about because it sent me through
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Speaker 1: a lot of changes, tested my faith, tested my patience,
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Speaker 1: sent me through some emotional physical change that gained weight,
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Speaker 1: loss weight, and anxieties about the COVID ninteen, My family
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Speaker 1: and my wife. She still won't go to in a
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Speaker 1: restaurant out in public. She would take to go, but
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Speaker 1: did she suspectively coming into the house. So how did
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Speaker 1: it impact your family and the people who follow you
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Speaker 1: and seek your guidance. Well, once again, man, so honored
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Speaker 1: to see you and so proud to see you continue
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Speaker 1: to just really make impact, especially in our community. Uh.
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Speaker 1: To be able to give information that that that a
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Speaker 1: lot of times was systemically hidden from us. It was
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Speaker 1: part of the plan for us to not always gather
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Speaker 1: the information or to be able to pass the information,
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Speaker 1: and for it to be transferable uh into the boardroom
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Speaker 1: all the way to the block. And I think that
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Speaker 1: that's something that is so needed. So I commention what
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Speaker 1: you're doing. Yeah, man, the pandemic, especially the fact that
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Speaker 1: there was the word I use contemporaneous, Uh, several several
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Speaker 1: pandemics happening at one time, from George Floyd to to
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Speaker 1: to to to Um too, our mothers and fathers getting
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Speaker 1: sick and dying of the disease, to all the the
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Speaker 1: the political uprising against it and so um all of
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Speaker 1: those things took a toll on me in my family
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Speaker 1: because I have a young black son, and so uh
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Speaker 1: continuing to see this, uh, this this hateful narrative that
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Speaker 1: has been America's narrative for four introvieers. It's something that
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Speaker 1: can be very daunting, you know, and and it can
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Speaker 1: really be fatiguing. And so all of these things that
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Speaker 1: happened at one time and was something that continued to
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Speaker 1: pull me. I had to start going back to the
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Speaker 1: therapy myself. You know, I'm a black man that is
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Speaker 1: very proud to uh acknowledge and promote psychological therapy, uh
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Speaker 1: psychiatry for especially black men. But it was something that
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Speaker 1: we held onto each other as as a family, and
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Speaker 1: it put me in a position where my faith really
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Speaker 1: had to be something that was not just priest but
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Speaker 1: something that was lived in real time. And so that
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Speaker 1: was another chalice to really test me, to see how
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Speaker 1: much I believed and how ruded I was and what
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Speaker 1: I was preaching and so or seeing the doing so
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Speaker 1: is that I think that the battles were all intentional,
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Speaker 1: and I think that they were all um for our
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Speaker 1: good and to reset if we would allow it to
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Speaker 1: do that. Well, the beauty of watching you you know
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Speaker 1: a popular word in word pivot. You know, if you
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Speaker 1: can't do it. I have how you do it virtual
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Speaker 1: and you know you put concerts together, you broke people
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Speaker 1: together united, you did the verses. I believe how did
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Speaker 1: all that play into you reaching your I consider you.
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Speaker 1: I'm part of your congregation. I'm part of the Kirk
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Speaker 1: Franking congregation. And I say that because I'm not I'm
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Speaker 1: not a weekly church goer. I might go to church,
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Speaker 1: you know, periodically. You know, I'm not saying I show
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Speaker 1: up on Eastern I showing I show up on New
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Speaker 1: Year's at Christmas. Sometimes I go with friends. But I
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Speaker 1: am a believer and I think I'm one of your
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Speaker 1: followers because the way you approach your teachings and that's
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Speaker 1: how I can use that word teachings affect me positively
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Speaker 1: and your music motivates me. Do you get it a
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Speaker 1: lot from people? Second? Say that question again? Please, I say,
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Speaker 1: do you get that a lot from people? How you
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Speaker 1: motivate them? Or a non church goers like me, you
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Speaker 1: know who believe? And I say that's a negative thing
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Speaker 1: to the church goers. No no, no, no, no no
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Speaker 1: no no no. Let me let me say that I'm
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Speaker 1: honored at whatever capath city to be able to do
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Speaker 1: life with people to to be able to be part
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Speaker 1: of people's journey for God to uh to loan me
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Speaker 1: words of music or whatever that I can borrow from Him,
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Speaker 1: to just be a catalyst. Uh. That's something that I
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Speaker 1: take a great level of humility and responsibility in UM.
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Speaker 1: And it was never my intent to try to do
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Speaker 1: something that would be left of center. That was that
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Speaker 1: was that was never my tempt. I'm I'm just really
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Speaker 1: uh someone that is very sincere by my Christian faith
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Speaker 1: as well as also uh addressing all the areas of
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Speaker 1: revisionist history that has uh sometimes white washed the African
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Speaker 1: American Uh sojourned through Christianity and what it was originally
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Speaker 1: and how Europe did not influence Africa, but African influence
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Speaker 1: Europe and uh this monotheistic approach to faith. You know,
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Speaker 1: you know about it on that stephen A's World. And
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Speaker 1: I was excited that we were able to bring your
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Speaker 1: voice into the arena because you know, because Steve and
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Speaker 1: I have sat down and said, you know, that's a
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Speaker 1: voice you never see in sports, like from the perspective
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Speaker 1: of who you are and you're so unique and how
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Speaker 1: you approach you life, Kirk, and how you approach the
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Speaker 1: Gospel that I feel comfortable bringing you in that arena
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Speaker 1: because the way you talk, you just talking about a
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Speaker 1: regular person. I don't know. And like I said, when
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Speaker 1: I'm talking to you, I'm talking like I'm talking to
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Speaker 1: a friend. I'm talking to a friend. That that allows
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Speaker 1: that mean? There's just so many bad ones that out
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Speaker 1: There's just so many words of negativity, There's so many
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Speaker 1: words of division. There's so many words that are lies,
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Speaker 1: truth upon, and so now truth becomes arbitrary, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and and so uh. Good words is something that
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Speaker 1: I'm hoping people will tune into to be able to
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Speaker 1: get exactly that A a word of information, a word
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Speaker 1: of engagement, a word of of of inspiration, so that
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Speaker 1: they can be able to be entertained. I think that
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Speaker 1: that when you hear just just the tapestry of artists
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Speaker 1: and individuals that were interviewing, it's going to be very
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Speaker 1: unique to see their their intersection of culture and faith
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Speaker 1: and how we can help other people even invents. You know.
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Speaker 1: The beauty of this conversation's Dad. Okay, you know I've
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Speaker 1: seen you so many levels of greatness, of greatness, you know,
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Speaker 1: from on the stage hosting TV show. You know, I
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Speaker 1: love seeing you host TV You are you want the
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Speaker 1: little phenomenal host and I tell you that all the time.
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Speaker 1: I love seeing you on TV hosting. And and then
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Speaker 1: you got your own channel, you know and music chunel.
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Speaker 1: So why the podcast, Mr Franklin, You know you've got
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Speaker 1: all these other ways to communicate social media, You're a giant. Okay, music,
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Speaker 1: you're giant, got your own music channel. Why do we
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Speaker 1: need a podcast? It's just another extension of communication. It
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Speaker 1: is just continuing the conversation. Wherever people are, that that
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Speaker 1: wherever their ears, that should that should be the story
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Speaker 1: of the good news. That the good news should be
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Speaker 1: whatever people are, And so we don't wait for people
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Speaker 1: to come to us to get this good news. We
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Speaker 1: are ambassadors, we are we are soldiers. We we are
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Speaker 1: extensions of of His grace, his love and with good words.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be a place where you can see
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Speaker 1: that you're not alone. I do think that there is
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Speaker 1: this dichotomy of what it looks like to be a
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Speaker 1: real person and try to hold onto real faith that
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Speaker 1: they don't always seem to be synonymous in people's journey.
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Speaker 1: And I hope that this podcast will allow you to
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Speaker 1: get interviews from other people that that that live with
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Speaker 1: that tension that try to maneuver through what what my
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Speaker 1: faith and my humanity should be and who should take
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Speaker 1: the lead, and what happens when it doesn't happen, and
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Speaker 1: and and how I'm gonna do with through that in
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Speaker 1: my career and being able to manage successible to manage
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Speaker 1: my own fears, my own anxiety. So I believe that
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Speaker 1: good words will be a a I pray a very
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Speaker 1: special uh place for people to come on that platform.
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Speaker 1: It's just a interesting thing about k I know one
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Speaker 1: side of Kurt. I know it backwards and forward. Now
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Speaker 1: there's what type of food this curve? Are you a
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Speaker 1: barbecue man? Or you are pizza man, a hamburger man?
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Speaker 1: Or you just shot? I like to stay in shape.
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Speaker 1: What are your key do? What? What are you brother?
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Speaker 1: What is I eat really clean? Try to eat really clean.
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Speaker 1: No Krispy Creme. No Crispy Creme. I haven't at Krispy
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Speaker 1: Kreme in a few years. But but but but but
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Speaker 1: now as I do have cheat days, I do have
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Speaker 1: cheap days, and in my cheap days, I do go
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Speaker 1: ham right. But but I think the problem that we
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Speaker 1: can all attest to that we we can, we can,
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Speaker 1: we can we can all be uh witnesses hallelujah? About
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Speaker 1: is that this pandemic, bro, this pandemic has messed up
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Speaker 1: everybody's food playing and because man, you know you're trying
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Speaker 1: to eat right. But you know earlier owning that pandemic,
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Speaker 1: when everything was shut down, it's like, well what am
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Speaker 1: I eating good for? I ain't gonna being from no
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Speaker 1: camera and so you just boom ate the whole grocer's
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Speaker 1: and now, okay, that's that. That's there. Now, how about
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Speaker 1: music other than gospel music? What R and B music
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Speaker 1: or rap music? Do you listen to? Kurt Franklin listen
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Speaker 1: old school or new school? I listened to everything. I
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Speaker 1: am a student of the craft. I listened to everything
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Speaker 1: from Jasmine Sullivan's new album to UH. I listened to
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Speaker 1: whatever Drake drops. I listened to whatever uh, Fred Hammond's drops.
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Speaker 1: I listened to whatever Yo Yo my drops. I listened
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Speaker 1: to whatever Adele drops. I listened to uh, anything that's
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Speaker 1: going to be either old Miles or snarky puppy. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just a fan of music. You know. It's
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Speaker 1: a funny point by you get my car. Here's my
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Speaker 1: first three songs. Okay, because you know I'm old school, Kurt,
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Speaker 1: you know, relodies from Heaven. I gotta, I gotta you know,
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Speaker 1: I gotta have that that that if I get my
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Speaker 1: car by five o'clock in the morning coming to my office,
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Speaker 1: so that gets me on fire. Okay. Then I go
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Speaker 1: to rock Star by the Baby. That's that's my whole genre,
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Speaker 1: you know, my and so and so. Then I then
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Speaker 1: I go to Kim you know, uh and so so
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Speaker 1: and then I I slowed down a little bit more
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Speaker 1: with Anthony Hamilton's that's my first fourth songs in my podcast,
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Speaker 1: in my in my excuse me, in my in my
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Speaker 1: player on my truck. When I want to start rolling,
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Speaker 1: what would be your first four songs, Kurt, not putting yours?
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Speaker 1: My first fourth song, first fourth song mineus He's from
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Speaker 1: Heaven the Baby with rock Star. Then I slide into
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Speaker 1: Kim like Sharlene from Anthony Hamilton and my first four songs.
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Speaker 1: As I can't say that I am that that consistent
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Speaker 1: um in in that process. You know, it's some mornings
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Speaker 1: I'll listened to you know, a a a teaching podcast.
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Speaker 1: The first thing in the morning, you know, is I
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Speaker 1: may listen to some old school you know Walter Hawkins,
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Speaker 1: Uh you know, uh Undercracker or is I mean listen
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Speaker 1: to something to give me lit my way to the gym?
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It could be a Drake record,
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Speaker 1: It could be a a you know every being rock
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Speaker 1: Kim record. It could be you know, you know jay
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Speaker 1: Z record. There you go? You know? So so you
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Speaker 1: know it is that I have a I have a
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Speaker 1: big appetite for music man, and one doesn't win over
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Speaker 1: the other. Well, you know, when when we look at
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Speaker 1: good words for Kurt Franklin and then the press really
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Speaker 1: came out, they mentioned your interviewer for Real, you know,
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Speaker 1: just to give a sense of the type of talent
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Speaker 1: or celebrity level that will be part of the show.
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Speaker 1: Why is it important to for individuals like for Real
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Speaker 1: to not only discuss their faith but also tell the
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Speaker 1: side of the story that's not entertainment driven or selling
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Speaker 1: albums and movies or things like that. Why isn't that important? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think that's even more important now because there were
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Speaker 1: we are at this crossroads that in in American culture,
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Speaker 1: American society, and even in our belief systems, that that
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Speaker 1: that that these that during this pandemic is going to
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Speaker 1: side so that we can be able to start we
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Speaker 1: can be able to start fixing a lot of the
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Speaker 1: holes that have been in what people consider organized religion,
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Speaker 1: that we can pull down some of the barriers so
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Speaker 1: that we can be able to even uh uh even
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Speaker 1: try to articulate more misinformation that has been passed down
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Speaker 1: generationally to people of color. And and to be able
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Speaker 1: to also unpack the weaponization of Christianity, to be able
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Speaker 1: to uh to uh understand that Western Christianity and the
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Speaker 1: teachings of Jesus Christ are not synonymous necessarily and so
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Speaker 1: uh and and and then also how people maneuver through
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Speaker 1: their temptations of successful Gussie. There's trauma already being an
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Speaker 1: African American, but there's an extra layer of trauma when
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Speaker 1: you become successful. Success brings its own level of trauma.
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Speaker 1: When you say repoonization of Christianity, what exactly you referencing
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Speaker 1: in that and not trying to be negative. I'm just
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Speaker 1: just trying to get a clear definition of what you
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Speaker 1: mean to say that. Oh yeah, well, well well when
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Speaker 1: It was fantastic. And so talk about that process behind
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Speaker 1: that song, well, you know, it's not much of a
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Speaker 1: a headline story, uh the the the inception of that song.
24:52
Speaker 1: It was just a song that dropped in my head
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Speaker 1: that I that I thought would be a nice moment
24:58
Speaker 1: and reached out to Wrench Allen Um and men of
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25:04
Speaker 1: new school and brought together. And it was just so
25:08
Speaker 1: it's a song God gave me, and and the genius
25:12
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25:15
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25:19
Speaker 1: a surgeon behind them like and and and to be
25:23
Speaker 1: able to see him be uh so fluid in his
25:27
Speaker 1: gift was a beautiful thing to the whole. And so
25:32
Speaker 1: it was a moment that I'll never forget. And it
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25:37
Speaker 1: that would have never known at the time that would
25:39
Speaker 1: have impacted people and touch people the way it did,
25:42
Speaker 1: would have never would have never seen that coming. Well,
25:45
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25:47
Speaker 1: my life of BT Celebration of Gospels. You know Steve Harvin,
25:51
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25:53
Speaker 1: was he performed on stage with you, And that was
25:56
Speaker 1: the first time I heard it. Is it's something magical
25:58
Speaker 1: because we hear music, but when you hear a song
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Speaker 1: from the very first word and it stays with you,
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Speaker 1: and it builds with you, and it takes you through
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Speaker 1: these emotional up and downs. And at the end of
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Speaker 1: that song, when I heard it lied in Los Angeles
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Speaker 1: doing that taping, I was in tears. And and it
26:17
Speaker 1: wasn't a negative tearing. It was a positivity of of
26:21
Speaker 1: of an awakening inside of yourself. Because I'll just tell
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Speaker 1: you something, Kirk. When I talk to you, man, it's
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Speaker 1: always you know, you're such a gifted young man. And
26:29
Speaker 1: I say young because I'm older than you, and and
26:32
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Speaker 1: be under someways glorified because you change people. You change
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26:47
Speaker 1: know my daughter gonna go to church and so. But
26:50
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Speaker 1: But I know that the story I'm trying to get
26:57
Speaker 1: you allow me to tell it my way, and that's
26:59
Speaker 1: what you're doing with UH. I believe when you're dropping
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27:06
Speaker 1: another expression of communication, like you saying, reaching people and
27:09
Speaker 1: telling them your story and then sharing other stories, kind
27:12
Speaker 1: of like when I'm doing with money making conversations, I'm
27:14
Speaker 1: allowing them to talk a story, but in this lane,
27:17
Speaker 1: And that's really important, isn't it, Kurt? Exactly? And thank
27:21
Speaker 1: you again. And I'm just extremely appreciative to be able
27:25
Speaker 1: to be part of just a a fragment of the
27:30
Speaker 1: journey that people's UH lives continue to take them on,
27:34
Speaker 1: and that the music has allowed them to be able
27:38
Speaker 1: to see a greater God in the midst of some
27:41
Speaker 1: of the deepest and darkest days that they may go through.
27:44
Speaker 1: And and even with the podcast, it is there needs
27:48
Speaker 1: to be so many different conversations that can happen at
27:51
Speaker 1: the same time that that every platform does not give
27:55
Speaker 1: you the freedom to have that conversation where there may
27:58
Speaker 1: be more intellectual conversations that can happen through the podcast,
28:02
Speaker 1: that may be a lot more foolishness that I can
28:05
Speaker 1: have fun with and enjoyed din the podcast. And so, uh,
28:08
Speaker 1: it just gives you a liberty that you don't have
28:11
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28:14
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28:18
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28:21
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28:24
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28:27
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28:35
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28:40
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28:42
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28:44
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, it's very difficult to be able
28:47
Speaker 1: to tap into what God is and what he will
28:51
Speaker 1: do if it's only a non one one situation that
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Speaker 1: he continues to be postured in. When it comes to
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29:03
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29:06
Speaker 1: in church all the time. You don't see in church
29:08
Speaker 1: platforms give you a lens of where they are, the good,
29:13
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29:15
Speaker 1: has stood in Wow. So we last year because of
29:19
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29:21
Speaker 1: How are we looking this year? I know there's Texas,
29:25
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29:27
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29:31
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29:32
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29:35
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29:39
Speaker 1: for oh man, you know we we we will see
29:44
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29:49
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29:54
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29:58
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30:06
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30:21
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30:24
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30:30
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30:33
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30:41
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31:04
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31:07
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31:08
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31:14
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31:17
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31:20
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31:23
Speaker 1: and you know I get I get access to everything.
31:26
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31:28
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31:32
Speaker 1: Now you're on there with your your beautiful wife. Just
31:34
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31:36
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31:38
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31:42
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31:44
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31:46
Speaker 1: Why was it important to do that show with your wife? Well,
31:50
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31:52
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31:55
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32:00
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32:04
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32:06
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32:09
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32:12
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32:17
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32:21
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32:24
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32:27
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32:31
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32:34
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32:37
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32:43
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32:46
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32:50
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33:00
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on the show. Man. You know,
33:01
Speaker 1: I always appreciate you man taking the time to talk
33:03
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33:07
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33:12
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33:14
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33:16
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33:18
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33:21
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33:24
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33:28
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33:30
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33:33
Speaker 1: as an individual, but brother, you've saved me a many
33:37
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33:39
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33:42
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33:43
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33:46
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33:48
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33:50
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33:53
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33:55
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33:58
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34:00
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34:03
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34:07
Speaker 1: And thank you again for coming on Money Making Conversation
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