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A Sock Monster Saga: The Making of CRUST · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day, that's right, it's that time again, time for Cinema Yuga!
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Music.
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Yes, welcome back Yuga Nights! This was a really, really great little independent horror film,
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a creature feature horror comedy named Crust, featuring a cast of genre veterans,
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including Succession star Alan Ruck.
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It is the work of Sean Whelan.
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Sean Whelan, of course, you've loved him in The People on the Stairs,
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Twister, many, many films.
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This, his directorial debut, is out on VOD this November 12th,
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and DVD and Blu-ray on December 10th.
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Following its past theatrical release in September, Sean Whalen,
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who starred in Wes Craven's People Under the Stairs, makes his feature directorial
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debut as he stars as Vegas Wind as a depressed.
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Washed-up child actor who fled Tinseltown and owns and lives in a rundown laundromat.
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The despondent man's tears of anguish turn a pile of socks into a loving monster
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named Crust who protects Vegas and begins to eliminate his enemies.
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This was so nice i've checked it out multiple
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times i can't wait to get it on physical media and i couldn't wait
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to talk to my very special guests this
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week sean whalen and his leading lady rebecca kennedy welcome to cinema you
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again thanks for having us thanks so much for having us this is a fantastic
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wonderful quirky bizarre brilliant little horror movie like i said uh Before we started,
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I've watched it a couple of times now. I really love it. Congratulations, first of all.
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Thank you. Thank you so much. I hope a lot of people get to see it.
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I know it's set for release. When is the release? It's pretty close, isn't it?
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VOD drops on November 12th. November 12th there, ladies and gentlemen.
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Links will be in the description for everyone listening to us on Spotify or
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wherever you listen to your favorite podcast.
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Links to be in the description. Crust.
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So, Sean, before we get into crust, mate, I know that you've been in quite a
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few other movies, and I've got just two things before we get to crust, mate.
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First of all, tell me your Waterworld story. I love Waterworld.
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The story was, I don't even remember the audition, actually,
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but I was hired to be one of the smokers. Oh, yeah.
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They brought me there for a week and my ex-wife joined me and we were on the
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big island or on the island of Kona, the city of Kona.
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And I remember I was riding, I was supposed to ride a jet ski.
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Right. And he said, all right, you're going to come and do your jet ski training.
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And I was like, all right. So I went in there like, this makes it go fast.
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That's your training. Right.
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Okay. And then I go, now what? and they go
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you have two hours and i go as long as you stay in
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this border you're so i got to plan a
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jet ski for two hours just having that and then you know rebecca
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knows me by the end i'm like spinning it to see if how far i can fly off and
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you know and of course i hit my head on the handle and i'm like oh it's so dumb
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i shouldn't do that but i just had the best time and then when we shot we shot
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at night and they're just to get everyone ready they had a they had a production
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line almost So people just standing there like this and they would take oil and go,
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you know, get you oily and messed up.
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And then my scene was with Kevin Costner jumping up and pulling me down underwater
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that did not make the theatrical release, but it made every other. It made the DVD.
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It made that. So because my name was underwater.
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Yeah. He jumps up and pulls us down off of our things. But he.
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Right. Yeah. He can breathe. Yeah. Essentially.
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Wow. Yeah. One of those guys. I was one of those guys, you know,
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and then I just remember Kevin Costner walking by in his fish costume and going, oh, he's tall.
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And that was about it. That was it. That's fantastic.
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I'll have to watch it again later. Yeah. Yeah. And my other question on crust
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related is food. It's a twister question.
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Yes. Food. Yes. I just want to know that the one particular part,
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when you're having the steak and eggs, the big scene, the big eating scene was the steak.
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Were they awful horrendous everybody the greatest
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thing in the they made these steaks like just on a
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normal type grill they put them on our plates the
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scene took a week to shoot wow and
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when we would leave the table well
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the whole thing in that house right there's the shower you know
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stuff in the front yard and our meal and the whole thing but
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they when they would leave so this
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is an old house they had a big air conditioning tube they would turn it
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off it would get super hot and they would cover our
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plates with a paper towel a paper towel
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that was it there's flies buzzing
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around and i just remember you can imagine me sitting
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next to wendell right yeah it was
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like it was like we'd cut it they'd go cut like you
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would just have everybody had a spit bucket and everyone's like
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that looks like the best meal i was like dude no it was that's
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a shame two days it looks brilliant
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i can't watch that movie without oh my god but i
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know it makes me hungry every time i see it but you know you
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know but that's a shame yeah i mean um yeah it
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was a it was a fun the biggest thing is you bet that was
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jan and bill paxton's biggest fight they had a
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huge fight on the set because he said
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this is a tissue of lies and and
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bill said no one from texas would.
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Say tissue of lies rebecca he goes
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no one says tissue lies i never
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heard that right he and and jan said
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no they would say he goes a tissue of lies because it's
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fragile and can be easily and i he goes to go he'd say i'd say that's bullshit
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like i mean you know what i mean like he was trying to go i'm from texas i'm
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from here they don't god was from sweden and he just leaned in and they fought
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and he had and he made him say the line but we were all and then he was like
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what about you guys and we're all going.
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We don't want to get into this. You know what I mean? So we're like,
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we're going to leave you guys alone.
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So, but it was a bummer because he is right.
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I mean, everybody that I've ever asked this question to from Texas,
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Rebecca's from Texas, no one would say tissue of lies. They go,
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oh, that's, that's crap. Or, you know, they just wouldn't say that.
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So that was another thing from the big kitchen seat. But the food thing was
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me and Phil used to do that all the time on set.
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Like, what's up? You go, what's up? And so when it was time to shoot that scene, we just did what we did.
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Wow yeah uh you know
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you say you should never spoil the magician should never spoil your
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tricks because i'll watch it differently now but i know that's
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okay i still i still think it looks great i mean oh no
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no no it's still great despite despite knowing that
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now it still makes me feel like steak and eggs oh man
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every time i see it makes me hungry and i go
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wait a minute i was there and it's that that's true
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but this sort of ties into crust
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a little bit because as as you know twister received
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twisters recently and the reboot
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refix redo reimagine situation
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is a freight train too big to stop it's a
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bit like the titanic it's going to take a bloody big iceberg to bring it down
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and there's only going to be room left for half the people on board yeah it's
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it's a trend that continues just simply because it's a money machine too big
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to turn off at this point.
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And this, of course, leads into Crust because the most excellent tragedy of
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Vegas winters is, of course, he is unearthed because of his past,
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because he is the, what happened to the little baker?
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What did the little baker dozen boy do next? Yeah. Yeah.
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So, obviously, that's something that when you were conceiving this idea was
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the current climate, cultural climate in the movies.
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Yeah, because, you know, it was, we wrote it in 2016, mid-2016,
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and that was when, you know, corporate Marvel, corporate Harry Potter,
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corporate Star Wars was all, you know, and you're like, wow,
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is there any, you know, and then sequels,
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prequels and all, you know, this, like, four or
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five main ips that they were just drawing from yes and
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marvel's a universe and so is harry potter and
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you know and and and these other
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ones but and star wars but you it gets boring you know and especially the one
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we wrote it was the tv ideas getting rebooted you know it's when full house
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starting up and it was such a big deal like people are like this is crazy so i love you bogus,
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I love the bogus entertainment tonight. What's it called?
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Tinseltown tonight in the show.
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Did you ever see that Christopher Guest movie for your consideration where they did a similar thing?
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And it's got Fred Willard and Jane Lynch, I think, doing the same sort of deal
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with it basically, you know.
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Baker doesn't. I love the thing. Like, I kind of want to see a film,
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like I said, called Baker's Curse where you follow the surviving kids because
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these poor buggers had so much trouble.
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They're drug addicts. One guy set his wife on fire.
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What the hell was going on on Baker's? I know, because this all happened after
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Baker's Dozen, didn't it?
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Yeah, this stuff is all after. This was life after Baker's Dozen.
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Yeah. Well, there's a lot of tragedy, and unfortunately, these young kids, you know, that it's,
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has a lot to do with the family you know you look at
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ron howard and go why him you know
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but he was on he was with andy griffith
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and don knott's who had been around for a long time and was very protective
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of little ron they it was little ronnie back in the day they were protective
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of little ronnie and and and same with his family was very tight and good to
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him so he had a good structure,
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and I think that's huge but then there's other parents who want to take the
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money and there's other parents that just you know aren't really involved but
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then get involved because they're getting famous and you know so we were just
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trying to do a dark parody of the world that's all,
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and what would you do if everybody was dead except your two leads you know.
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And and Rebecca another thing that plays into another cultural thing of relevance
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is certainly the influencer culture,
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which your character's story has a through line that involves being an influencer
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and being popular on social media or searching for that social media fandom.
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It's ripe, isn't it? You can say, hock, tour, and get a Hollywood agent.
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Right. Now you're famous. Right. Exactly. I can understand the toxicity of it.
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Needing you know when you post something you're
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you get you know if you don't get the amount of likes you want or
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you don't get the comments you want you know you're bummed i
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mean sean and i've had like where we you know post something like
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about something important and like you know
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social media will squash it nobody sees it and
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yeah you're so disappointed and and
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you're like you almost need that validation which is which is
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so toxic and so scary and when
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they don't like you too they come after you like people with
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pitchforks don't they right so i could definitely
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you know relate to her desperation of like
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uh you know needing needing to be seen
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needing for someone right right but at the same time wanting to have that what
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we what we kind of lost when social media took over what is that that strong
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personal connection with someone else right but at the same time you have the
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social media devil on your other shoulder saying you don't know this way,
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You need to post another video. You need to post another naked photo or something.
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How did you know? You need to get your socks out. Yeah.
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I mean, you know, social media has a lot of great stuff that,
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you know, connects people, gets your stuff out there, connects you with fans
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that you would never get to talk to or know.
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Yeah. I mean, like everything, there's a positive side.
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But, of course, when such a useful tool that connects people is used for evil
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and a bunch of people turn it into a lynching platform, we don't like him to
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say, let's all join together and get him.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You can get a mob mentality like that, you know.
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And it spreads like wildfire through dry ground.
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And that's Vegas's plight when he gets discovered, you know.
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Now everybody knows where he is, and that's why he's being hounded.
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So that's supposed to be the reminder, those reporters and everything. That's the pressure.
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That's the pressure on a little laundromat. And I like the fact that it's kind
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of because he tapes up the front windows.
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I like how it's kind of just that ominous sound effect on the windows,
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like the cameras, and you can hear people in the background.
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Obviously there's a crowd outside trying to to you
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to check it out but this film was really beautiful as
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soon as i saw the black and white i love films in black and white made me think
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of which is the elephant man jim jarmusch's films oh it made me i love them
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tom tom de chilo or tom de killer do you know his which one tom de chilo who
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is he living in oblivion the real blonde oh Living in Oblivion.
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God, that's an old title. Yeah.
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But this film made me think of Living in Oblivion because of the way you cut
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from the black and white to the color. Uh-huh.
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Yeah. He did that when he was doing the...
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I think it was when he was doing their dreams, all the dream stuff was black
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and white, but in the room, the stuff was in color.
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And there's a lot more of that right now. You know, Godzilla Minus One was released in black and white.
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It was that way Oppenheimer had black and white. Four Things had black and white.
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Like a lot of things have had black and white this year, which is really good.
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And Ripley, one of the nominated shows, was all in black and white on Netflix.
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It's beautiful. Like, I think I said after I watched Cross the first time,
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I said it was like Little Shop of Horrors as though directed by Jim Jarmusch.
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Yeah. That's a nice.
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Well, it's kind of, I always say it's Little Shop of Horrors meets Willard. Right, yeah.
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Because, you know, Willard likes that the rats are, you know, makes him tougher.
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And then Godfather, you know, he turns, you know, Vegas's journey.
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So it's kind of like a mashup of those three. Yeah.
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Another cast member I want to throw out who's a great performance,
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and he's been my guest a couple of times, is Danny Roebuck.
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Love Danny. He's one of the nicest guys in Hollywood and does a real bang-up
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job as the fourth, as the man who's been told more than once to stop drinking
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in the laundromat but still consistently doing it.
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He's great. Let me ask you a question. Is that constant?
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Ignoring me is the disrespect. Sorry.
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Did you think him when every time I said, don't drink in the thing,
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he'd go, okay. And then you, he keeps doing it. Do you see it as disrespect?
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You do? Yeah. I mean, yeah.
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Disrespectful is my question. Like my, I get upset that he doesn't listen to
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me, you know, but if people, I had some people go, no, he's,
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he's just, he's not thinking.
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And other people go, yeah, he's not being told to you. So it's interesting how people,
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so I was asking you, did you see it as more of like, he's
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treating you not really cool or he's just not aware
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you know no no i i i think he i
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think he is aware because i noticed the second
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time that i watched it that that vegas
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foreshadows the ending in the first conversation that he has with with danny
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yeah yeah yeah right and that's i i missed it the first time but the second
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time that's why i always watch movies more than once because The second time
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I heard that and I thought, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
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Right. I see, I see. It was like that movie This Is The End.
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Do you remember the one that Seth Rogen did with Franco? Yes, I loved that one.
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And if you listen carefully, Franco tells you how he's going to die when there's
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weed earlier in the film.
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Yeah, yeah. Because he goes, yeah, and then I get torn to pieces and Danny eats me.
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Yeah. And he's laughing about it. And then, of course. That's exactly what happened.
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But yeah i i look another great
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cast member i loved was william brier who's the
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that's kind of the job fantastic my favorite line in the movie that bit where
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he says remember when we were kids and they said be careful playing with playing
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frisbee with knives just say we weren't careful yeah yeah we love that line.
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Because we were trying, we just said something about like running with scissors.
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We had a normal line and then we thought, no, it's funnier if he just says something
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absolutely ridiculous, you know?
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Yeah. He's a great character and he brought so much to it.
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He knew exactly how he wanted his character to look and his evolution,
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which we won't say what that is, but, but, you know, how it,
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how it evolves and how, you know, so it's, it's, it was great to have.
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But I had people with ideas, you know, I never leaned into Rebecca and said,
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this is how I want you to play Neela.
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Like she, I gave all my actors and I just saw Greta Gerwig say this in an interview,
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say, you know, I get the script, then I get my actors and then I give my script
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to my actors and it becomes their character.
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And you know rebecca made just
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amazing choices i never would have thought of but
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were so fun you know as a
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screenwriter myself i've often seen as the script is like a coloring book and
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the actors take the pencils and and color it in because essentially it's all
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it is is like line drawings but it's it's it's a great creative actor that takes
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it and makes it live because i mean And let's face it,
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is there any words on paper until you do something with it?
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We can't step over the fact that Alan Ruck is in this movie back together again.
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I just wanted to ask, is that bit where he says, be careful that you don't increase the contract?
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Was it like a reference to don't fold the maps? Yes, you're the first one to get it.
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Love it. I knew it. As soon as you move that bit of paper, hey,
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be careful, don't increase the contract.
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Yeah, don't fold the contracts. I thought that's don't fold the maps. Yes, it is.
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Yeah, on purpose.
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I had to give a little shout out to the Twister fans, you know? Yeah.
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I love how your name is Vegas in the film, but he's wearing the bad Elvis,
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like, two-packing. There it is, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, excellent. Oh, and also I love, too, how Danny keeps doing
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the lines from Heartbreaker Hotel, like, when he's- Oh, yeah,
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oh, no, no, no, that's all right, Mama.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah, that's all right. Which is not – it's public
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domain because it's a blues song in the 30s.
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Yeah, yeah. So it's not – Because Elvis did – When he sings it,
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you go, oh, it's the Elvis.
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No, it is. Yeah, yeah, no, no, because Elvis did a lot of covers,
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hey, so – Yeah, a ton of covers.
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Yeah. Yeah. That's – so, look, this is – I mean, this –,
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You know, that's why independent cinema is so beautiful, because I can't imagine
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you going into an office and say, hey, I've got this movie about a sock monster.
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Well, I mean, the other thing is Rebecca and I are the type of character actors they get.
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You guys are so specific, but when the part's right, it's so right,
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you know, which means you're not going to work.
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But but but so for
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us to be romantic leads is no
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no i just we we don't get those auditions
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we don't get those so what was
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great about working with her was that we realized that
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we thought if our chemistry doesn't work the movie doesn't hold
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up so we worked in an acting class for
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a few weeks but can i ask
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rebecca a question i've never asked yeah go i don't
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know how you found neela like did
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you ever have substitutions for the way because i when i keep watching it you're
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so specific in your physicality the way you know you do your hands and stuff
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and the way you know it's very specific did you have someone you drew on specifically
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or Did it come from a lot of different pieces or what?
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That's a good question. I didn't have someone I was using specifically, if that makes sense.
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A little bit of several different people that I know that I've seen do certain
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things that I was like, oh, that's interesting. I'm going to use that someday and see what comes in.
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And she kind of came into that.
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It was a lot of imagination and finding what I could connect to first,
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which, you know, as Rebecca, I can understand, you know, feeling lost,
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feeling lonely, feeling like no one really understands you.
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Yeah it was going through a lot of what i have gone through in my career and
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like finding my journey as an actor and as a and as a human i'm sure we all
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can probably relate to feeling,
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like no is anyone else ever going to really understand us right but you also
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said it's something that was powerful to me you said she's much cooler than
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me yeah so where did that come from then how do you draw on something if you
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don't know how cool you know what i mean.
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I know i guess kind of how
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sometimes i wish i was like she just was like quick and and i mean honestly
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that's obviously the writing so that's a credit to you sean but but you know
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she just wasn't afraid to say her mind and her and put herself out there and take risks and be,
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shot down it's like i don't know as rebecca if i gave my number to a guy and
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he didn't call me I would have just been like I never did that moving on like
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she would have been cool for me to like go up to you and be like hey I gave you my number,
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you didn't act on it I'm not sure I could do that so it's kind of like how I
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wish sometimes I could do things.
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And it's funny when you step into another character,
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how you're confident in ways that you're not as yourself, like we want a different skin.
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And so if you're turned down, quote unquote, it's not you, there's not. Right.
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She was interesting to find. I think, like you said, we were in a class, so that helped.
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And just, you know, just trying stuff, just seeing what... I like to work physically.
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I like to find that almost sometimes almost first.
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So yeah yeah that's an interesting
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question and in our indiegogo just for
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people to know we did every shirt that nila
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wears is a design that someone submitted okay yeah
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so the and and all the patches on her jean
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jacket were the same right so yeah it
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was very cool so that they're all like it's all fan art
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that is all over nila which is very awesome there you
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go but the stuff the stuff you were just
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talking about then the the depth of character is is
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really what separates this movie crust from being like
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the the kind of more uh campy more
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b-movie campy equivalent would be called something like
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you know crusty sock demon of doom right right
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exactly whereas this is you know sort of
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it's like little shop of horrors sort
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of thing you know right or attack of the killer tomatoes or rubber
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or pants or you know like the slacks or
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was a slacks right yeah but but but yeah
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i didn't want to make it i wanted it to be a real story that just happened to
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have a sock monster not the movie be about a sock right yeah exactly yeah you
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know and the crust that's on all of us that we have to try to get to the soft
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part right yeah or or you know or the.
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Cross that, that protects. Yeah. Right.
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100%. Cause I got it. I don't want to score the ending, but I really loved,
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I was waiting for that. It sort of felt like,
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interview with a vampire i was waiting for mick to start singing
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you know please allow me to introduce myself i'm
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a sock of wealth and taste that's great because uh i'm not going to spoil the
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ending but it does take neela and you know about this too it does take a a twist
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at the end that i didn't see coming and and having watched it a couple of times
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now i still that twist is still,
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surprising and and a real master stroke
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and like i was talking about tom to chile's films i love
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how it cuts to to to color
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right as all as although
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of what you've seen before has been you know
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right a perception of depression and
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loneliness and exactly yeah there's no
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color in vegas's life at that point you know
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so and it was interesting we had we
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had when we had a writer's room come in and
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give us notes we had very good friends of ours some of the filmmakers rebecca
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knows and i know and we had a reading and the interesting thing was you know
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one of our favorite people aaron asher him a shout out because he's a great
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filmmaker himself and he said you know i just want you guys to watch.
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So, you know, 10 minutes in color and make sure that you're committing to this black and white.
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And as soon as we watched it, I mean, I think, you know, I called my producers
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and we all looked at it and went like, no, this is this doesn't because the
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laundromat doesn't look as good, you know, in color.
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There's not a lot going on. There's just ugly yellows and things like that.
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And it looked much, much better in black and white.
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But we will be releasing a color version at some point.
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So it was much more like fantastical and
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black and white you really like it i think anyway
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my eyes get like sucked into this
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world when it's that when it's this you know
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kind of black and white beautiful land you
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know yeah yeah and and
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honestly crust didn't look as good in color crust
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the pup the the actual puppet
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man by a real muppeteer rachel burson didn't look
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as good in color as it did in black and white
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so and she was all you know that was
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all practical we only have i think literally one
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vfx shot in the entire movie so wow there you
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go yeah i'm so like does crust do the festival circuit with y'all no we're oh
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crust came to he came to a convention last time we had a back east premiere
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and everybody got their pictures with crust in his laundry basket But, you know.
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When we start doing screenings, you know, different places, you've got to get
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a screening in Australia so we can come. There we go.
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Anyway. Yeah, we would love to come down. Anyone and everyone distributors listening,
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Crust is a fantastic film.
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Sean Whalen, Rebecca Kennedy, the creature feature horror comedy Rust featuring
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a cast of genre veterans and succession star Alan Ruck. But.
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Yeah, Felicia Rose, Danny Roebuck, Ricky Dean Logan, Sean DeGreer.
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William Greer. Yeah, he goes by Gabe Greer, but, yeah, he was great.
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He's probably going to go out on the convention circuit because my convention,
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our manager, me and Rebecca's manager, said that guy will be – fans will want to meet him.
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Totally. It is, Crust is coming out on VOD this November 12th and on DVD and Blu-ray.
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That's cool. I can't wait to get one of those on December 10th following its
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theatrical release this past September.
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So fans of Crust, links will be in the description.
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VOD release is November 12th, DVD and Blu-ray release, December 10th.
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Links will be in the description. My guests have been Sean Whalen and Rebecca Kennedy.
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They have to survive the crustiest crust monster
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we made it lust and danger in
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the laundromat yes lady and
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gentlemen thank you for being my guest on
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cinema yugen thank you sir thank you
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so much appreciate you having us yes fantastic
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crust is a great film as i said at the
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top of the interview vod this
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november 12th and on dvd and blu-ray on
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december 10th following its theatrical release
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which happened in september crust anchor bay
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doing wonderful things for independent movies
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crust is a great one if you like your
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laundry mixed with your sock monsters if you
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love little shop of horrors it is
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right up your alley this is a fantastic little movie check
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the links in the description and get your
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hands on crust any which way you care and as always my little yugenites thank
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you for listening to us on spotify or wherever you choose to listen to your
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favorite podcasts i'm ken hill and until next time you've been listening to cinema yugen.
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