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When will you stop Daycare Scam? When I can Buy a Couple Nice Houses in Nairobi · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: All right, we've got some really interesting, I would actually
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  Speaker 1: say stunning developments coming out of Minnesota. When it comes
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  Speaker 1: to former vice presidential candidate Governor Tim Waltz. Now he's
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  Speaker 1: already said he's not going to run for reelection because
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  Speaker 1: of the massive Somali fraud in his state. But now
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  Speaker 1: what we're witnessing is something that's even more shocking than that. Now,
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  Speaker 1: Governor wall said he was going to show up and
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  Speaker 1: he was going to be at this key Minnesota House
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  Speaker 1: oversight hearing that was investigating fraud that's been tied to
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  Speaker 1: all the taxpayer funded childcare programs. In a stunning turn
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  Speaker 1: of events, he was a no show. Now, this is
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  Speaker 1: hours after he took credit for the FBI rating the
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  Speaker 1: Leering Center in twenty other different learning centers quote unquote,
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  Speaker 1: and he acted like he was a part of it.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, even on x he.
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  Speaker 1: Put out this tweet yesterday that said, quote, if you
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  Speaker 1: commit fraud in Minnesota, you're going to get caught. And
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly what we saw today. We catch criminals when
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  Speaker 1: state and federal agencies share information, joint investigations work, and
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  Speaker 1: securing justice depends on it. Now that is like a
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  Speaker 1: complete opposite of what actually happened with Governor Waltz.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason why he's not running for reelection.
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  Speaker 1: It's because everything in that tweet that, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I support, was not happening while he was in charge.
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  Speaker 2: So not only does Governor Waltz.
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  Speaker 1: Try to like rewrite history and take credit for the
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  Speaker 1: FBI raids in Minnesota, but Caspttel, the FBI director, actually
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  Speaker 1: threw down this. He wrote this in response quote this,
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  Speaker 1: FBI and DJA executed every warrant. Go ahead and take
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  Speaker 1: credit while we clean up the mess under your watch. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to hear what Fox News had to
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  Speaker 1: say about this. As again, not only is the governor
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  Speaker 1: actingly he's cleaning up the city, but then he immediately
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  Speaker 1: knows shows for the committee hearing about cleaning up Minneapolis,
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  Speaker 1: Saint Paul in the entire state.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna get caught. And that's exactly what we saw today.
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  Speaker 3: We catch we catch criminals when state and federal agencies
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  Speaker 3: share information, joined investigation, work, and secure in justice.
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  Speaker 4: The pens on it. They didn't do anything, no agents,
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  Speaker 4: no nothing. It was the federal government. And by the way, Hazley,
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  Speaker 4: they criticized them when they were on the ground in
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  Speaker 4: Minnesota doing this exact work.
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  Speaker 5: I know in Cash Patel, who is the FBI director
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  Speaker 5: federal agent, he wrote, come again, just FBI and DOJ
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  Speaker 5: with our DHS partners, drafted and executed every search warrant today.
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  Speaker 5: But go ahead and take credit for our work while
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  Speaker 5: we smoke out the fraud plaguing Minnesota under your governorship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty two separate locations were rated. They're talking about
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  Speaker 3: hundreds of not billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 6: Most of them are Somali run businesses. Here's the governor
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  Speaker 6: last night.
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  Speaker 7: I promise you that I would devote my energies to
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  Speaker 7: fighting fraud in our state's.
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  Speaker 6: Human resources program.
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  Speaker 7: I've said the buck stops with me, and as I know,
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  Speaker 7: some of you will take that as an open invitation
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  Speaker 7: to play politics with every incident of fraud that takes
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  Speaker 7: place here in Minnesota, even though I have to tell
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  Speaker 7: you a statistics show it's happening in red states more
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  Speaker 7: than here. My ask for you tonight is simple. If
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  Speaker 7: you're taking fraud seriously, take your responsibility seriously, and pass
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  Speaker 7: legislation to stop it. If you talk about oversight, vote
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  Speaker 7: for that oversight and the bills that are working their
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  Speaker 7: way through the change.
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  Speaker 1: Now, by the way, I want to be clear, I
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  Speaker 1: can get behind that governor with most of what he said,
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  Speaker 1: and he got a standing ovation for what he said there,
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  Speaker 1: So why not actually show up for the actual meeting
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  Speaker 1: that deals with exactly what he says?
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  Speaker 2: Is so important?
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  Speaker 1: And so it's a simple question where is the accountability
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  Speaker 1: because instead of facing lawmakers in the public, the governor's
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  Speaker 1: absence is only adding fuel to an already growing controversy
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  Speaker 1: over oversight failures which the governor's office supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: involved in whistle blower claims, and whether state leadership turned
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  Speaker 1: a deliberate and purposeful blind eye. I believe they did
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  Speaker 1: to because they were getting kickbacks on the massive fraud
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  Speaker 1: that was unfolding right under their watch. That also includes
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  Speaker 1: the governor. Now I play that for you to go
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  Speaker 1: to what actually happened. Okay, And this is really interesting
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  Speaker 1: because Governor Waltz is a no show. His administration is
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  Speaker 1: actively combating fraud they claim that I think is not happening.
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  Speaker 1: He also notably declined to testify on the same day
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  Speaker 1: that the FBI rated nearly two dozen facilities in Minneapolis,
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  Speaker 1: including daycares and suspectives stealing federal public assistance fund. So
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  Speaker 1: that's the lay of the land here now. Lawmakers on
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  Speaker 1: the Minnesota House Fraud Prevention and State Agency Oversight Policy
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  Speaker 1: Committee noted that they reached out to Waltz more than
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  Speaker 1: a month ago, follow it up multiple times, and that
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  Speaker 1: he had his picks of dates to choose from to
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  Speaker 1: come before their committee, and guess what, he's a no show.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: We are also learning why. And I want you to
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  Speaker 1: listen to one testimony here. This is a testimony from
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  Speaker 1: a whistleblower, and they are explaining how bad the fraud
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  Speaker 1: and corruption is, how long it's been going on. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is what the media should be leading with on
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  Speaker 1: every show in this country. They're not going to play
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  Speaker 1: for you this whistleblower. And I want you to please
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  Speaker 1: incredible what he is. Saying and you're gonna understand why
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  Speaker 1: the governor, Said i'm gonna. Bail i'm not gonna be
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  Speaker 8: Fraud, frankly we were so inundated with chipsun centers receiving
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  Speaker 8: seven hundred thousand to over a million.
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  Speaker 5: Dollars welcome to the, committee Mister, swantson please state your
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  Speaker 5: name and begin your.
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  Speaker 6: Testimony thank. You my name Is Jase.
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  Speaker 8: Wantson Chure Robinson committee. Members AS i, said my name
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  Speaker 8: Is Jase. Wantson i'm a retired state employee and have
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  Speaker 8: been for almost seven. Years, WELL i didn't volunteer to
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  Speaker 8: be here. Today WHEN i was asked to, TESTIFY i
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  Speaker 8: realized THAT i had a moral oblagon to the honest
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  Speaker 8: people Of minnesota to tell you WHAT i. Experienced as
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  Speaker 8: a bit of, BACKGROUND i was A minnesota state trooper
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  Speaker 8: for over thirty four, years serving in many different assignments
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  Speaker 8: over that.
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  Speaker 1: Time by the, WAY i want you to think about this.
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  Speaker 1: Man he is a individual that gave thirty plus, years
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  Speaker 1: more than three decades to serving protecting the people of his,
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  Speaker 1: state and then he was, forced after doing all of
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  Speaker 1: that police, work to do what the governor refused to,
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  Speaker 1: do which was not only to show up and to
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  Speaker 1: actually fight this taxpayer, fraud taxpayer funded, fraud but the
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  Speaker 1: governor deliberately ran the other way BECAUSE i think he
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  Speaker 1: and Other democrats know they were getting the kickbacks from
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  Speaker 1: The somalis keep, listening.
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  Speaker 8: Including conducting and supervising criminal. Investigations in mid twenty, FOURTEEN
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  Speaker 8: i retired with the rank Of. Captain in augut guest
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  Speaker 8: of twenty, FOURTEEN i was hired by The department Of
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  Speaker 8: Human services as The manager Of recipient and Childcare Provider,
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  Speaker 8: investigations WHERE i worked until mid twenty. Nineteen my job
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  Speaker 8: AT dhs was to oversee three groups of, employees one
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  Speaker 8: being THE seacap Fraud Investigation. Unit during my time AT,
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  Speaker 8: dhs our team of fraud investigators AND, i along with
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  Speaker 8: THE bc agents assigned to our, group had a front
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  Speaker 8: row seat to watch the fraud, happening and we had
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  Speaker 8: regular contact with those committing the. Fraud beginning in twenty,
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  Speaker 8: seventeen we became dismayed and shocked by the response of
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  Speaker 8: some SENIOR dhs officials to whom we reported to.
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  Speaker 6: Fraud.
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  Speaker 8: Two AS i look back with the benefit of twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 8: HINDSIGHT i realized that what our team saw was the
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  Speaker 8: early stages of a somewhat loosely organized criminal enterprise beginning
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  Speaker 8: to Pillage minnesota's public benefit.
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  Speaker 1: SYSTEM i want you to listen to a. Patriot this
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  Speaker 1: is a thirty plus, year three decades of his life
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  Speaker 1: he is given to law enforcement In, minnesota a man
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  Speaker 1: that was overseeing some of the fraud that was taking
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  Speaker 1: place In. Minnesota and what this patriot at this incredible
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  Speaker 1: hearing for The Minnesota House oversight hearing Where governor Ten
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  Speaker 1: waltz refused to show up a no. Show this brave
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  Speaker 1: man tells the world exactly how bad it is In.
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota in my opening, Remarks i'm not going to use
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  Speaker 1: the names of individuals involved in the EVENTS i will.
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  Speaker 8: Describe i'm not here in a. Vendetta my goal is
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  Speaker 8: to help you understand how this. HAPPENED i did provide
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  Speaker 8: the names to The legislative auditor WHEN i was interviewed
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  Speaker 8: in the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. Timeframe you should also
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  Speaker 8: know that a few of the senior LEVEL dhs officials
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  Speaker 8: who are asked and abused our unit for committing the
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  Speaker 8: sin of trying to expose a huge amount of fraud
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  Speaker 8: in THE seacap program are still working AT dhs. Today
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  Speaker 8: from twenty fourteen to early twenty, seventeen our unit received
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  Speaker 8: tremendous support from the Original Inspector general And Deputy Inspector.
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  Speaker 6: General these, folks.
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  Speaker 8: Along with the great staff at THE Dhs Childcare Licensing,
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  Speaker 8: unit were the first ones to discover very strange and
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  Speaker 8: unusual activity at Certain minnesota childcare, centers as well as
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  Speaker 8: suspicious behavior by their. Owners this led them to believe
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  Speaker 8: that significant seacap fraud may be taking. Place THE Dhs
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  Speaker 8: Childcare licensing staff spent a great deal of time after
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  Speaker 8: we were hired teaching us what would be normal activity
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  Speaker 8: at a childcare center and what would be at normal or.
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  Speaker 8: Suspicious just so you're, aware our investigators were all all
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  Speaker 8: retired police. Officers they averaged twenty years of, experience with
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  Speaker 8: extensive experience investigating everything from fraud to, narcotics trafficking to.
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  Speaker 8: Homicide these were veteran, cops but they knew nothing about childcare.
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  Speaker 8: Centers but THE dhs licensing folks took care of. Us
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  Speaker 8: from the, beginning our unit began receiving, information, tips or
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  Speaker 8: complaints from a wide variety of sources that we believed
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  Speaker 8: were likely indicators of. Fraud as an, example one, day
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  Speaker 8: we received a call from A seacap mother who called
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  Speaker 8: to complain that her childcare center owner had stopped paying
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  Speaker 8: her the monthly cash kickback they had agreed. Upon another,
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  Speaker 8: day a former co owner of a center called to
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  Speaker 8: say that he had been cheated out of his share
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  Speaker 8: of the fraud. Proceeds yet another, day a fire department
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  Speaker 8: called asking if a childcare center was still.
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  Speaker 1: Operating let me just, pause AND i want you to
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  Speaker 1: think about this call. Center these are people that are
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  Speaker 1: calling in and they're, like where's my, stuff where's my,
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  Speaker 1: kickback where's my? Cut this is normal business that's being.
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  Speaker 1: Described and this has been happening again as he's describing,
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  Speaker 1: it for years and years and years and. Years and
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  Speaker 1: there were people that were telling them this was. Happening
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  Speaker 1: and what are The democrats In minnesota and the governor
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  Speaker 1: do they look the other?
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  Speaker 8: Way?
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  Speaker 1: Why because they were part of the. Scheme they were
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  Speaker 1: getting political kickbacks to deliberately and purposely look the other,
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  Speaker 1: way which is exactly Why Governor waltz was a no
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  Speaker 1: show at The Minnesota House oversight hearing On. Tuesday you
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  Speaker 1: can say all you want to what you said, earlier
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  Speaker 1: WHICH i played for you in front of the of
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  Speaker 1: the of the the you, know The, House, senate The State.
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  Speaker 1: House there you can you can, SAY i just passed so.
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  Speaker 1: Legilation you were involved in this. Corruption you weren't ignorant of.
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  Speaker 1: It you knew it was.
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  Speaker 2: Happening there were people about telling you it was.
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  Speaker 1: Happening this man in law enforcement was telling you it was,
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  Speaker 1: happening and you guys did nothing to stop.
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  Speaker 8: It because they had been trying to conduct a fire
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  Speaker 8: safety inspection and had made multiple trips there on different
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  Speaker 8: days at different, times but there were never any children
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  Speaker 8: or staff at the. CENTER i checked and found that
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  Speaker 8: in the last twelve, months we had paid the center
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  Speaker 8: approximately one million dollars and that they were billing for
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  Speaker 8: the care of approximately ninety children at a time during
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  Speaker 8: two shifts from six am to ten, pm seven days a.
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  Speaker 8: WEEK i WISH i could tell you that these types
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  Speaker 8: of incidents were, rare but they.
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  Speaker 6: Weren't this is what our team dealt with on a weekly.
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  Speaker 8: Basis once our unit received information we believed was an
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  Speaker 8: indicator OF seacap, fraud we would prioritize these, tips primarily
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  Speaker 8: based on the amount of seacap funding the center. Received,
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  Speaker 8: frankly we were so inundated with tips on centers seven
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  Speaker 8: hundred thousand to over a million dollars that we didn't
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  Speaker 8: have time to focus on centers receiving less.
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  Speaker 2: Funding did you hear that they had so many, tips.
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  Speaker 1: So many tips that were coming in of, major massive
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  Speaker 1: fraud that if you were under seven hundred, thousand, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like we can't there's nothing we can do like. THAT i,
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  Speaker 1: mean we're doing the best we. Can we don't have
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  Speaker 1: enough manpower to stop this type of. Fraud by the,
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  Speaker 1: WAY i don't know what this guy, makes but let's
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  Speaker 1: just say it's under one hundred. Grand you're telling me
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  Speaker 1: that you can't spend one hundred grand to stop millions in.
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  Speaker 1: Fraud you understand my point?
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  Speaker 6: Here?
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  Speaker 1: Right like this is insanity and they're explaining it because
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  Speaker 1: this is how bad it actually, got and it had
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  Speaker 1: been this way for years and no one in The
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  Speaker 1: Democratic party did anything to stop. It they, said double,
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  Speaker 1: down keep, going look the other, way and just give
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  Speaker 1: us our, kickbacks the same kickbacks they're getting phone calls
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  Speaker 1: anywhere's my?
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  Speaker 8: Payment cases were assigned to investigators who would then conduct
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  Speaker 8: research on the center and, owner and would then initiate
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  Speaker 8: physical and electronic surveillance of the. Center the surveillance would
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  Speaker 8: determine how many adults and children enter the center and
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  Speaker 8: the times that they did. So this would later be
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  Speaker 8: compared with building Records the center submitted FOR seacamp. Payment
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  Speaker 8: if the investigation to this point indicated significant, fraud the
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  Speaker 8: information was shared with THE bca, agent who then continued the.
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  Speaker 8: Investigation if, warranted the agent would eventually obtain a search
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  Speaker 8: warrant for the, center at which time computers and phones
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  Speaker 8: belonging to the owner and business were. Seized at the
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  Speaker 8: time of the search, warrant we ordered all payments to
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  Speaker 8: the center to be. Stopped THE Dhs Forensics lab would
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  Speaker 8: then perform forensic examinations on the electronic. Devices these exams
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  Speaker 8: often resulted IN us obtaining our most powerful evidence against
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  Speaker 8: those committing. Fraud here are a few of the examples
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  Speaker 8: of the. EVIDENCE i was shown over the years by
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  Speaker 8: lab supervisor and staff from an owner's cell. PHONE i
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  Speaker 8: was showing a text conversation between the owner of the
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  Speaker 8: center and a. Friend the friend had asked the, owner
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  Speaker 8: how much longer are you going to do the daycare.
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  Speaker 8: Scam the owner applied another year or, Two i'm going
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  Speaker 8: to buy some nice homes In.
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  Speaker 1: Nairobi another year or, Two i'm going to buy some
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  Speaker 1: nice homes In. Nairobi they were clearly hoping That kamala
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  Speaker 1: was going to, win right because then this would still
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  Speaker 1: be happening right. Now the only reason why these people
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  Speaker 1: are not getting paid right now is because we Have
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  Speaker 1: Donald trump As president of The United states Of.
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  Speaker 2: America that is.
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  Speaker 1: It if anybody else is in, office we still wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: know about the Leering, center in my, opinion and even
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  Speaker 1: if we, did they wouldn't do anything about. It like
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  Speaker 1: they wouldn't do anything about. It this is the tip
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  Speaker 1: of the. Iceberg by the, way keep listening to what he.
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  Speaker 1: Says the owner was on public assistance at this.
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  Speaker 8: Time they happened to be on vacation In dubai when.
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  Speaker 6: This text conversation took.
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  Speaker 1: Place so you've got really really rich people on government
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  Speaker 1: aid who are and this goes back to burgrawlings Yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and if you miss, that go back and listen to yesterday's,
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  Speaker 1: show because yesterday's show we talked about some of the
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  Speaker 1: fraud here of the number of people on government aid
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  Speaker 1: that were Driving lamborghini's And ferraris And bentley's And maserati's
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  Speaker 1: like this. Is they came in and they knew that
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  Speaker 1: they could commit massive fraud at a massive, level and
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  Speaker 1: that no one was going to stop, them and they
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  Speaker 1: could then get government aid and benefits as.
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  Speaker 2: Well it gets, worse keep listening.
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  Speaker 8: Up till this, point which was early twenty. Seventeen in
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  Speaker 8: the roughly two and a half years of our, existence
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  Speaker 8: our unit had directed seacamp payments to be stopped to
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  Speaker 8: eleven childcare centers that we could prove had fraudulently built.
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  Speaker 6: Dhs these stop.
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  Speaker 8: Payment orders always resulted in the immediate closure of the
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  Speaker 8: center because the centers we investigated never had any private paying,
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  Speaker 8: clients only publicly funded seacamp.
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  Speaker 2: Clients, okay so here's your.
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  Speaker 1: Fraud if these are all fake centers right with no
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: real people that they're. Helping as soon as the government
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: dollars is, peered the centers would immediately. Close why because
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: the government dollars was a scheme and there wasn't even
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: kids tied to the scheme that would show up and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: actually do. Anything we also learned that right the leering
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: center is a great example of. This many of these
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: centers were just they were paper. Shops they were, fictitious,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Right it's like having a business at a po.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Box it doesn't you, know it doesn't.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Exist that's why you'd have so many of these learning
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: centers in these areas and no kids, present no, playgrounds
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: nothing that screams. Kids and when you go there and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: try to enroll a, kids they're, like we don't do, that,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Right like we're. Full we don't need, you we don't want,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: you like because it wasn't about the. Kids it was
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: about committing a. Fraud they didn't even try to like
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: have normal kids by the, way all, right like some
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: kids in here and then have fraud running through it
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: with like fifty percent. Missing they didn't even try to do, that. Folks,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Okay like there was zero kids that were in, there
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Zero and that is the point of this fraud where
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you know how deliberate it actually.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Was keep.
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: Listening, additionally five cases had resulted in felony convictions for
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: fraud related. CRIMES i regularly joined with various investigators and
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: agents as we interviewed the owners and employees of the
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: childcare centers being. Investigated more than ONCE i heard an
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: owner or employee respond when we asked where they first
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: learned about the daycare, scam they would say they had
• 21:29
  Speaker 8: first heard about it while in the refugee camp In.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Kenya these individuals told, US.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I want you to just, understand they found out about
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the scheme in a refugee camp In, kenya that this
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: fraud is now like that's it's worldwide. Fraud folks now, like, yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: yeah go To. America do. This you'll make a lot of.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Money so they're in a refugee. Camp they then, like
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: we got to get To, america, Right we got to
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: get there as fast as we can to get our
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: hands on some of this, money because it's a lot of.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Money and you set it up and they'll give you,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: food sam to have a better way of, life and
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: you'll get all this government. Eight and then you can
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Drive ferrari Or lamborghini Or bentley Or maserati and defraud
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: THE us government and you don't care because it's not
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: really your government because you're From, nairobi you're From. Kenya
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: you care if you're sucking the life out of The
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: United American, no as long as you're the one that
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: is the bug that is sucking the life out of this.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Country you're the.
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: Mosquito so if they had, heard you could run the
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: scam in a number of different, states but it was
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: easiest and you could make the most money doing it In. Minnesota,
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: additionally at about the same, time THE dhs investigators AND
• 22:45
  Speaker 8: bca agents initiated an investigation of another childcare center and
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: found a high amount of building. Fraud federal agents from THE,
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: fbi THE Irs Criminal Investigation, unit and agents from THE
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: Us health And Human Services Office Inspector general were invited
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: to join in the investigation due to some of the
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: unusual activity and suspected crimes that we believe we. Saw
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: this investigation resulted in the federal indictment in twenty seventeen
• 23:17
  Speaker 8: of the owner Of Salama Childcare. Center that owner eventually
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: played guilty and was sentenced in twenty eighteen to two
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: years in prison and was ordered to pay restitution of
• 23:28
  Speaker 8: order one point four million. Dollars The Salama Childcare center
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: was located at fourteen Eleven Nicola avenue In. Minneapolis that
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: address might ring a bell for some of you because
• 23:41
  Speaker 8: of a YouTube video taken Last december at The Quality Leering,
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: center which was being operated at the same.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Dress, Okay so what he's describing to you as multiple
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: people that had already been brought, down who then the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: other people would just keep you the same? Address how
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: hard is it to figure that?
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Out?
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Now luckily the federal, government THE feds are rating these,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Places THE fbi is rating this. Address but you notice
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: like The somali's, like, no, no we just use the same. Thing, like,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: yeah they got, one who cares we set up another.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: One they're gonna they're not gonna shut all of them, down, Right,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: like they're not gonna shut every single one of them.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Down so we don't have to worry about. That we
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: can we can just open up a quality leering center
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and that'll work because they're never going to stop. Us they're,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like there's too many of, us there's too Many somalis,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: here there's too much fraud that we want to, commit
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and so we're just going to keep our head down
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and rock and roll with us saying and no one
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: is going to stop. Us i'll say it, again keep,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: listening no one is covering, this and share this everywhere
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: you can on social.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: Media by mid twenty, eighteen our cases have generated some
• 24:58
  Speaker 8: publicity in The legis then directed The office Of Legislative
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: auditor to conduct a special review of THE seacap.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: Program In august of twenty, eighteen.
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: AS i was preparing answers to questions posed to me
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: by THE oila in an, EMAIL i was told by
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: A dhs official to submit my answers to them instead
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: of sending them directly to THE. Oila WHEN i forwarded
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: my answer regarding what fraud trends we were seeing IN
• 25:30
  Speaker 8: seacap AS i had been, DIRECTED i soon had a
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: SENIOR dhs official in my office, angry red, faced and almost.
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: Yelling the SENIOR dhs official told me to delete a
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: number of paragraphs of the document THAT i had. SENT
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: i then advised this official THAT i believed what they
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: were telling me to do was. ILLEGAL i advised them
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: That minnesota law requires state employees to cooperate with the
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: oil and to turn over information as. REQUESTED a few days,
• 26:05
  Speaker 8: later the same official told, ME i just came from
• 26:08
  Speaker 8: The commissioner's office and they're sending your document to THE.
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: Ola you better be ready for the blank storm that's
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: coming your.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Way so you're now being threatened that if you do
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: your job and actually expose, fraud that you better be
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: ready for what comes at you from the government that
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be supposed to be telling the fraud,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: too so that they can do their jobs and get
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: rid of the. Fraud and now you understand how Many
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: democrats out there all right In minnesota that we're getting the,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: kickbacks including the. Governor so this was all done by
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: design and they knew. It and if you did your
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: job as law enforcement you were. Threatened good luck keeping
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: your job because if you go, there somebody's going to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: come for.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You who the political. MACHINE i want to.
• 27:04
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• 27:06
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• 27:11
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• 27:14
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• 27:17
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• 27:20
  Speaker 1: to partner with an amazing organization Called Compassion. International why
• 27:25
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• 27:29
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• 27:32
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• 28:01
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• 28:06
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• 28:10
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• 28:13
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• 28:20
  Speaker 8: Com in the following, months members of our unit were
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: harassed and bullied BY dhs officials in the following. Manner,
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: FIRST dhs paid ninety thousand dollars to a consultant with
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: no experience and public benefit program integrity or financial fraud
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: investigations to label THE secap fraud allegations in my email
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: is unreliable and unable to be. Proven during an interview
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: with the, consultants which became, HEATED i told them THAT
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: i really didn't care what they put in their, report
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: but if they said there was no fraud or that
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: our investigation were making this, up that when this became,
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: public their company would lose all. CREDIBILITY i told them
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: that the fraud was so huge that sooner or later
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: it would come to. Light, secondly false derogatory information was
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: placed on a supervisor's performance.
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: Review BY dhs.
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: Officials, THIRD dhs implemented a continuous improvement program with The
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: Fraud Investigation. Unit this process started with the senior continuous
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: improvement official berating our group for approximately thirty, minutes telling,
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: us in, essence we were incompetent and terrible. EMPLOYEES i
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: had never heard of something like this happening to any
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: group of state employees in my forty years on state.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: GOVERNMENT A Dhs assistant commissioner was in the room watching.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: This over the next approximately six, months we were directed
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: to attend many group meetings to discuss the investigative process at,
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: length and we were giving homework assignments to work on
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: between the. Meetings these meetings were led by the SAME
• 30:13
  Speaker 8: dhs official who had berated us.
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: So badly in that first.
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: Meeting the huge amount of time our team spent in
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: those meetings and on our assignments resulted in investigators and
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: supervisors being unable to conduct hardly any investigative activity over
• 30:31
  Speaker 8: the roughly six months of this.
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: Program as a result of, this.
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: Program significant changes were dictated to our unit by the
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: lead official.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: And this.
• 30:44
  Speaker 8: Process the changes to the process included a myself and
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: the unit. Supervisor keep in, mind together between the two of,
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: us we had seventy years of criminal investigative. Experience we
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: would no longer have the authority to decide which cases
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: would be. Investigated that would be done by a committee of.
• 31:07
  Speaker 8: Three two members of the committee WERE dhs officials with
• 31:13
  Speaker 8: no experience conducting public benefit or financial fraud. INVESTIGATIONS i
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: would be the third committee, member although clearly outvoted. Next
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: the amount OF seacap funding would not play a role
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: in prioritizing. Cases we would spend as much time investigating
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: centers receiving a relatively small amount OF seacap money as
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: those receiving much larger. Amounts the result of this meant
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: that roughly fifty percent of our limited investigative capacity would
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: be spent on centers likely BILLING seacap for less than
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: one hundred thousand dollars a. Year it would also result
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: in our team spending fifty percent less investigative hours on
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: cases involving centers BILLING seacap over a million dollar dollars a.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Year, next let me just stop there and go back
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: to what you're. Hearing there was so much fraud a
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: decade ago that this guy's, saying we just couldn't go
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: after anybody that's doing a half million or two hundred
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: thousand or three, thousand one hundred.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Three thousand dollars a year in. Fraud we just didn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: have the.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Manpower we had to go after the big, fish the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: ones that are doing millions and millions of dollars in. Fraud
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: we couldn't do it, otherwise and they just didn't have
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: what it. Needed now do THE roi on. This if
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you can hire one hundred people to go after, waste,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: fraud abuse and every one of them cost, you it's
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: just around one hundred thousand hours is ten.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Million that is.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Nothing compared to what you're spending in in corruption and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: fraud payments going out the way that they're describing it right,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: now like there's.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Nothing that comes.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Close and why would a state not do it because
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the politicians were getting there. Kickback the politicians knew exactly
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: what was, happening and they were getting their kickbacks in
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: the form of government state political. Donations here's some more, money, Mister,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: waltz the smalling communities behind. You Governor, waltz we love
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: to support.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: You here's a.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Check just leave our corruption and our business. Alone that's
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: what it. Was as he wraps us. Up listening to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the last few, things he.
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: Says investigators could only CONTACT bca agents after receiving permission
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: from A dhs. Official, LASTLY dhs officials advised THE bc
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: agents to vacate our. Building they would no longer have
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: an office AT dhs at this. Point In june of twenty,
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: NINETEEN i submitted my resignation slash retirement notice Effective july
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: of twenty. NINETEEN i advised the members of The Fraud
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: Investigation unit THAT i was not going to be a
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: party to. This in, CLOSING i would like to make
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: the committee aware that THE seacap Fraud supervisor AND i
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: had each worked for the state for twenty five and
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: thirty four, years, respectfully each of us in The department
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: Of Public, safety at THE bca and The State, patrol
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: where the theft or loss of even fifty dollars would
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: not have been. TOLERATED i can't tell you how shocked
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: we were to come to The department Of Human services
• 34:31
  Speaker 8: and learn after a few years that not only was
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: the theft of untold millions of dollars, tolerated but those
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: who tried to stop it would be subjected to the
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: wrath of high ranking department.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Officials now what you just heard was only the opening.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Statement you didn't get to hear unfortunately we don't have.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Time you can look it up on the internet and
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: you can hear THE q AND a and other things
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: that he. Discussed but what he laid out was two. Things,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: one the way's fraud abuse was so good That minnesota
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: was ground zero in the best place to make a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: lot of money doing. This it's international, scheme and it's
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: being told and taught and preached in the refugee camps
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: all the way In.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Kenya that is.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Insane and they did, this by the, way all over the,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: country as you could hear from much of those, communications
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like the best place to do this Was, minnesota but
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you could go set this up anywhere In, america which
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: means it is set Up i'm sure in every single
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: state In. AMERICA i have no doubt that this is
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: happening right, now that there is massive and extensive, waste
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: fraud and, abuse which is WHY i will say it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Again please share this wherever you. Can all, right share
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: wherever you can on social. Media help other people hear.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: This we're going to keep exposing. It even when the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: media refuses to play things like, this we will play.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: It