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Trump Verdict Break Down w Senator Ted Cruz · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Election interference, Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts.
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Speaker 1: With Donald Trump being found guilty yesterday in New York, now,
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Speaker 1: Republican donors are digging in, saying no surrender. Major GOP
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Speaker 1: donors rallying overnight behind Donald Trump, pledging millions of dollars
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Speaker 1: after the guilty verdict, saying quote, we are going all in.
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Speaker 2: That's right.
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Speaker 1: A host of major GOP donors pledging millions of dollars
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Speaker 1: in support for former President Donald Trump after he was
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Speaker 1: found guilty on all thirty four counts in this kangaroo
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Speaker 1: court in the Manhattan business records trial.
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Speaker 2: Many conservative donors already viewed the.
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Speaker 1: New York case as a political case solely by design,
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Speaker 1: echoing Republican President of Kennet's view, the Democrat crats want
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Speaker 1: to discredit and weaken Trump ahead of November the fifth
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Speaker 1: election against Joe Biden by saying he's a convicted felon.
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Speaker 1: Reuters is now reporting the large group of donors are
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Speaker 1: more than happy to put their money where their mouth is,
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Speaker 1: where their beliefs are, and offer financial support to Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump ahead of this twenty twenty four full speed campaign trail.
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Speaker 1: The outlet pointed to mega donors, including casino billionaire Adelson
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Speaker 1: and hotel giant Robert Bigelow, as having lined up behind Trump,
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Speaker 1: with their donation set to bolster wave of pro Trump ads,
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Speaker 1: door knocking and phone banking in battleground states. Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: found guilty convicted on all thirty four counts, saying this
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Speaker 1: is far from over Reuters further adding this, the verdict
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Speaker 1: also spurred some longtime Trump donors to boost their financial
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Speaker 1: support for Donald Trump and in at least one case,
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Speaker 1: makes a big donation to him for the very first time.
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Speaker 1: Robert Bigelow, among Trump's top supporters, already have given over
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Speaker 1: nine million to an outside group supporting him, said the
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Speaker 1: criminal proceedings against the former president were a disgrace, saying quote,
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Speaker 1: I'm sending President Trump another five million, as I promised
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Speaker 1: him another five million, the mega donor said to Reuters.
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Speaker 1: Upbeat Silicon Valley tech investor Sean McGuire posts on social
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Speaker 1: media side acts after the verdict that he had donated
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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars to support Trump as well, saying
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Speaker 1: the timing isn't a coincidence. Don Tepia, a former Trump
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Speaker 1: ambassador to Jamaica, confirmed the outlet that he and a
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Speaker 1: small network of family and friends with whom he donates,
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Speaker 1: had planned to give around two hundred and fifty thousand
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Speaker 1: to the election to support Trump, saying this. After the conviction,
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Speaker 1: Tapia told Reuters his group hasn't waivered and would aim
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Speaker 1: to give over one million to the pro Trump's spending
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Speaker 1: group MAGA Inc. In the coming weeks, saying this, we
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Speaker 1: are going all in for him. He also sent Ruters
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Speaker 1: a photo of an American flag flying upside down outside
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Speaker 1: his home in Paradise Valley, Arizona, to protest the verdict.
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Speaker 1: Even CNN sang last night, there is a chance that
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Speaker 1: a Trump guilty verdict is going to fire massively for
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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party massively.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: Of course, Melissa is still here with me, So Scott,
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Speaker 3: your reaction and what are you hearing now You've had
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Speaker 3: a chance to really talk to a whole lot of Republicans.
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Speaker 3: Get on the phone. What are you hearing from them?
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Speaker 4: Well, if my phone on the text messages I'm receiving,
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Speaker 4: or any indication every Republican in the country is matter
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Speaker 4: in a wet hen. I mean people who are decidedly
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Speaker 4: non MAGA not. Trump fans are blowing up tonight saying
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Speaker 4: this case never should have been brought. This is ridiculous charges.
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Speaker 4: It was egregious use of the criminal justice system. And
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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm hearing people say I had no intention
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Speaker 4: of voting for Donald Trump, and now I am. And
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Speaker 4: then if you ask the Trump campaign what's happening, you know,
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Speaker 4: they literally broke their online donation portal because people were
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Speaker 4: rushing to the internet to give them money in the
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Speaker 4: minutes after the verdict. So I think there's a real
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Speaker 4: chance here it's going to massively backfire on the Democrats
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Speaker 4: and help Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: All right, let me I just want to hold this
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Speaker 3: up on the screen. This is the website that you're
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Speaker 3: referring to, the fundraising page that the Trump campaign uses
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Speaker 3: for donations. It did go down soon after the verdict.
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Speaker 3: Now we're not sure yet why formerly, Scott, but you're right,
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Speaker 3: people are speculating that it's because so many people wanted
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Speaker 3: to donate that it got overloaded. It's back up now,
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Speaker 3: So do you really think this is going to be
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Speaker 3: a fundraising bonanza. I mean, we have seen this, Scott, obviously,
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Speaker 3: on the back of every single indictment, right or conviction,
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Speaker 3: but obviously this is the first criminal case. So do
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Speaker 3: you think that's what we're going to see?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: And I'm not speculating. I mean, the Trump campaign told
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Speaker 4: me directly their portal was overloaded, but that's why they
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Speaker 4: think it went down. But yeah, I think people are
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Speaker 4: going to go because they're mad. They believe that, after
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Speaker 4: everything that's happened with Donald Trump over the last several years,
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Speaker 4: that you're going to convict this guy on a bunch
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Speaker 4: of felonies over sex paperwork. It sounds crazy to anyone
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Speaker 4: who is not in the left wing fever swamps. And
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Speaker 4: so yeah, I think there's a danger here for demic
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Speaker 4: cras this blows up in their face. And now Trump's unleashed.
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Speaker 4: He can campaign, he can have rallies, he can say
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Speaker 4: whatever he wants, and I suspect he's going to go
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Speaker 4: out and make a powerful argument.
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Speaker 3: All right, So a list to the point that Scott
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Speaker 3: just made. He's saying people who said they weren't going
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Speaker 3: to vote for Trump now feel like they might Republicans, Right,
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Speaker 3: I mean, do you think it's possible that that happens,
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Speaker 3: that this has a galvanizing effect that is much broader
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Speaker 3: and more significant than anything else. Yet it's certainly possible.
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Speaker 3: Scott is absolutely correct and how this is being received
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Speaker 3: by Republicans writ large, But I'm not certain that. I
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Speaker 3: think there's a wide swath of Republicans or moderates who
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Speaker 3: may vote for Republicans that are like, this is what's
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Speaker 3: making me the porn star hush money case. Now I've
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Speaker 3: got to get out and vote for Donald Trump. But
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Speaker 3: I know I sound like a broken record.
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Speaker 6: What we'll decide where those voters go is the Biden
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Speaker 6: campaign's ability to message why this matters and why he's unfit.
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Speaker 6: Because Donald Trump is remarkably good at having historia gets out,
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Speaker 6: having everyone singing from the same shot of music. They're
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Speaker 6: all out talking about the fundraising as we speak. Biden's
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Speaker 6: largely quiet. So there is a world in which it
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Speaker 6: really helped.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that Biden spending the day tomorrow? So,
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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know what he's gonna do. I'm
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Speaker 3: probably gonna come out and do something right now. He's
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Speaker 3: not scheduled too, but I would imagine you would recommend
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Speaker 3: come out, come out fast and hot.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, you should have all his surrogates, the vice president
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Speaker 6: should be out there they should be doing campaign eventsing,
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Speaker 6: are we really going to elect our first convicted felon,
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Speaker 6: by the way, when a lot of Republicans want to
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Speaker 6: take away Selon's rights to vote, or we're gonna put
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Speaker 6: one in office? Like there's a whole message there. But
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Speaker 6: he's got to do it. And I'm not sure he's
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Speaker 6: going to Scott.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's going to why well, it's going
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Speaker 1: to open him up to major problems as well. But
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Speaker 1: you heard it there, even TNN saying they worry this
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Speaker 1: could be a quote major back fire. Donald Trump found
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Speaker 1: guilty on all charges in New York. I say it's
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Speaker 1: shocking for a simple reason. It is shocking to me
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Speaker 1: because I really can't believe this is happening in America.
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Speaker 1: I also will say this at the very same time,
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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised I found him guilty, because this was
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Speaker 1: the entire intent from the beginning. You find a jury
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Speaker 1: that hates him, in a place that hates him, with
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Speaker 1: a judge that hates him, that's given to Joe Biden,
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Speaker 1: with a da who ran on locking up Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: with prosecutors on your team that took demotions from their
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Speaker 1: big jobs to come and get a conviction of Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: That was the ballgame, and it worked flawlessly.
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Speaker 1: Now the question is will there be a repercussion for
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Speaker 1: their actions and what's next when it comes to sentencing.
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Speaker 1: As I mentioned earlier, Senator Cruz and I sat down
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Speaker 1: late last night to have that conversation of what's next,
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Speaker 1: and I want you to hear what.
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Speaker 2: He has to say.
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Speaker 1: Senator, I want to talk of what happens next. He
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Speaker 1: was found guilty on all counts. Some don't even know
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Speaker 1: what they were even charging him with, including I think
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, because the rules changed at the last minute.
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Speaker 1: We talked about that in the last podcast. But let's
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Speaker 1: look at the immediate few future. There's a sentencing is
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Speaker 1: that is coming the same week as a Republican national convention.
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Speaker 1: There is a legitimate chance that a Donald Trump could
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Speaker 1: be in jail or b could be under house arrest,
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Speaker 1: and that means he wouldn't be able to go to
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Speaker 1: his own convention.
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Speaker 2: How is that not alone election?
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Speaker 5: Well, man, that's not gonna happen. But it is the
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Speaker 5: illustrative of just how ridiculous what's transpired. Is we saw
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Speaker 5: Trump convicted on all thirty four counts. I have to
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Speaker 5: bet emotions. I am, on one level, furious this is
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Speaker 5: an outlet. It is it is a disgusting assault on democracy,
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Speaker 5: of the rule of ball. But I'm also heartbroken. I'm heartbroken.
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Speaker 5: I believe that our justice system, our justice is supposed
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Speaker 5: to provide equal justice under law. And you know, yesterday
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Speaker 5: and we talked about on Wednesday's podcast, he talked about
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Speaker 5: the different possible outcomes. We talked about the miracle that
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Speaker 5: could happen, which would be an acquittal, which I would have
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Speaker 5: loved to have seen. And we talked about the possibility
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Speaker 5: of a hung jury. One juror out of twelve people.
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Speaker 5: One dream will not be part of this sparse I
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Speaker 5: will not be part of this, this charade. I'm done, no, no, no.
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Speaker 5: The justice system is not meant to attack your political opponent,
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Speaker 5: and I won't play a part. Sadly, that didn't happen.
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Speaker 5: Twelve New Yorkers decided they were Democrat partisans. Now will
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Speaker 5: I will say a significant part of that was, no doubt,
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Speaker 5: driven by the absurd jury instructions given by the judge.
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Speaker 5: This judge has made the New York justice system into
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Speaker 5: a global laughing stock, and across the planet, people know
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Speaker 5: that the justice system in New York doesn't follow the
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Speaker 5: rule of law. It doesn't care about each under law. Instead,
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Speaker 5: it is a tool to attack your political lenity. That
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Speaker 5: makes me sad. That's not the way our justice system
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Speaker 5: is supposed to work. As you asked, what's next, Well,
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Speaker 5: Trump has been released on his own recongnizzance. The next
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Speaker 5: step is sentencing. Sentencing is going to happen four days
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Speaker 5: before the Republican National Convention. In the interim, there are
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Speaker 5: a series of steps, including Trump has to go to
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Speaker 5: a pre sentenced evaluation. He may have to submit to
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Speaker 5: a psychiatrist or psychologist. They prepare a report, all of
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Speaker 5: the steps that are standard after someone is convicted that
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Speaker 5: a report gets presented to the judge to help the
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Speaker 5: judge make a decision about sentencing. We will find out
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Speaker 5: about sentencing literally the week of the Republican National Convention.
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Speaker 5: I don't think it is by accident. This entire trial
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Speaker 5: is designed to an interfere with the election. I'm going
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Speaker 5: to make a prediction right now. The chances that this
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Speaker 5: conviction is overturned on appeal I believe are one hundred
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Speaker 5: point zero percent. It will be overturned on a field
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Speaker 5: I think the judge knows that. I think the judge
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Speaker 5: in this trial, then oober Backwards, did everything possible give
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Speaker 5: jury instructions that just defied the US Supreme Court. President
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Speaker 5: did not require the jury to be unanimous on all
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Speaker 5: the elements of the crial. Let the jury nix and
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Speaker 5: match and pick different potential other crimes to elevate this
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Speaker 5: from a misumeter to a felony. All of that is
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Speaker 5: reversible error. The judge knows that, but I don't think
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Speaker 5: he cares. I don't think the prosecutor cares, because the
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Speaker 5: objective here is not to get a conviction that sticks,
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Speaker 5: is not put Donald Trump in jail. The objective is
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Speaker 5: to stare him. Within minutes of the verdict coming down,
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Speaker 5: the Biden Whitehouse put out a statement referring to him
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Speaker 5: as a quote convicted fela. That was the entire point
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Speaker 5: of all of this. We will hear the words convicted
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Speaker 5: felon referring to Donald Trump, I'm democratic from the corporate
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Speaker 5: media one billion times between now and election day. Every
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Speaker 5: other sentence they say will say bellot, bello, bello, bello, bellot.
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Speaker 5: That was the point, and they know what'll be reversed
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Speaker 5: on appeal, but that will happen after election day, and
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Speaker 5: this is all their effort to try to stop the
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Speaker 5: American people from reelection Trump.
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Speaker 2: All right, let me play Devil's Advocate with you.
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Speaker 1: If we're underestimating the Democrats again, I still go back
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Speaker 1: to the real question. This judge has gone rogue. He
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Speaker 1: went rogue on sentence him. He went rogue from the beginning.
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Speaker 1: He's a donor to Biden. If he knows Senator, and
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Speaker 1: we use what you just said, that he knows it's
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Speaker 1: going to be overturned, why the hell wouldn't he throw
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump in jail or under house arrest where he
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Speaker 1: can't travel.
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Speaker 5: Look, I fully believe this judge's partisan enough he would
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Speaker 5: love to throw Donald Trump in a deep pit, to
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Speaker 5: throw him in the pit of despair, to use the
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Speaker 5: Prince's Bride analogy. He would do everything in anything he could.
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Speaker 5: But I also I don't have any indication that this
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Speaker 5: judge is stupid. I think he's a partisan. I think
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Speaker 5: he hates Trump, and I think he's willing to abuse
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Speaker 5: his power. But a sling, he's not stupid. I don't
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Speaker 5: know that if he orders Donald Trump sent to jail,
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Speaker 5: that will be subject to an immediate appeal, and I
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Speaker 5: think the immediate appeal would be successful. I don't know
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Speaker 5: if it would be the state courts of New York
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Speaker 5: or if it would be the federal courts, but I
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Speaker 5: don't think the courts are going to allow the presumptive
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Speaker 5: Republican nominee, and I think likely the next president of
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Speaker 5: the United States to be hauled away to Riker's Island.
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Speaker 5: By the way, New York State is also a state
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Speaker 5: where you can assault the police officer, you can punch
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Speaker 5: a little old lady in the face on the street,
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Speaker 5: you can practically rape or murder someone, and these imbeciles
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Speaker 5: won't send you to jail. But if your crime as
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Speaker 5: being a Republican who was the leading candidate for president,
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Speaker 5: you're right, this partisan judge just fight said go to jail,
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Speaker 5: but I think he won't do it.
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Speaker 1: So you're saying that if Trump, and this is where
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Speaker 1: I love your legal mind, you're saying that it's more
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Speaker 1: valuable to not put him under house arrests or put
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Speaker 1: him in jail, because then he's the convicted fell in
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Speaker 1: through election day.
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Speaker 2: Then it's overturned after election day, and you interfere with
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Speaker 2: the election results. And if you actually put.
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Speaker 1: Him in jail or under house arrests, then it would
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Speaker 1: escalate the timeline rapidly, so then he may actually be
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Speaker 1: found innocent.
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Speaker 5: Not innocent. But listen, I think the judge is not
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Speaker 5: going to put Trump in jail because it would be
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Speaker 5: bad politics. This is not law, this is not criminal
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Speaker 5: justice's politics. It would be bad politics because it would
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Speaker 5: force the appellate courts to act. And I think not
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Speaker 5: either the partisan judge or the partisan DA want the
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Speaker 5: appellate courts to give a victory for Donald Trump before November.
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Speaker 5: So they're not gonna do anything I think to tee
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Speaker 5: up a legal victory for Donald Trump before November. They
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Speaker 5: want any legal victory for Trump to be after November.
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Speaker 5: And I will say, I will give her one caveat.
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Speaker 5: I could see some scenario or the Trump issue issue,
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Speaker 5: some sort of house arrest order says you got to
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Speaker 5: stay at our lago, you gotta wear an ankle bracelet.
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Speaker 5: I don't think the judge will do that, but it
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Speaker 5: is conceivable. But you're allowed to go to the convention
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Speaker 5: and give the convention speech. You're allowed to go to
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Speaker 5: the debate and participate in the debate. That that house
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Speaker 5: arrest with enough exceptions that it is not transparently election interference.
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Speaker 5: It's just obvious to anyone with an IQ above twelve
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Speaker 5: that it's election interference that is not outside the realm
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Speaker 5: of possibility. I think that probably doesn't happen either, But
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Speaker 5: I do not think the judge would be foolish enough
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Speaker 5: to order it set to jail, because I think it
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Speaker 5: would force a rapid appellate reversal of that's terrible policy.
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Speaker 1: I also want you to hear the second part of
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Speaker 1: my conversation with him about the legal chances moving forward
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Speaker 1: for Trump to get something done before election day.
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Speaker 2: Listen to this, Senator.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you another question, and this is one
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Speaker 1: that I've been asked a lot over the last ten
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Speaker 1: hours on social media. It's really been popping up, and
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Speaker 1: there is a divide when it comes to this court case,
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Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of anger by a lot
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Speaker 1: of conservatives that said, see, I told you so, we
17:51
Speaker 1: should have gone after one of the liberals out there
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Speaker 1: that was committing crimes and gone after them, to say
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Speaker 1: to the Democrats, if you do that to Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and.
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Speaker 2: Do it to you, and Now there's people that say, well,
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Speaker 2: there it is. The cat's out of the bag.
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Speaker 1: This is law fair and if we're not willing to
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Speaker 1: do it back to them, they're gonna keep doing it
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Speaker 1: to us. Give me your reaction of people like that
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Speaker 1: are extremely frustrated on that aspect of us that we're
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Speaker 1: we're playing by the rules they're not, and yet they're winning.
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Speaker 5: Look, I get that sentiment, and it's frustrating because the
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Speaker 5: other side, the other side is willing to destroy the
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Speaker 5: role of law. They're willing to destroy the dciary, They're
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Speaker 5: willing to destroy our country, uh in persona partisan power,
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Speaker 5: and and it is It's why I'm so sadday. You know.
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Speaker 5: I was on Sean Hannity yesterday. I was on John
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Speaker 5: Hennity tonight. Yesterday. Sean and I got in a little
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Speaker 5: bit of an argument because the jury was still pending,
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Speaker 5: and I said, look, I'm holding out hope that maybe
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Speaker 5: one juror will say no and there'll be a hung jury.
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Speaker 5: And I'll tell you, Sean laughed at me and he said, no,
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Speaker 5: New York is too far gone. It's not gonna happen.
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Speaker 5: Donald Trump cannot get a fair trial in New York
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Speaker 5: and I didn't want to believe it. I gotta say
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Speaker 5: John was right. This this justice system, the justice system,
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Speaker 5: I don't know that it ever recovers from this. It
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Speaker 5: will always be known as a Democrat, Banana Republican. If
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Speaker 5: you're a Republican in New York. I think there are
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Speaker 5: a lot of in New York who are calling their
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Speaker 5: real estate agents who are looking to leave New York.
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Speaker 5: If they say, Okay, you cannot count on the rule
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Speaker 5: of law in this state. I understand the sentiment. If
19:41
Speaker 5: they're going to burn it down, it we ought to
19:42
Speaker 5: burn it down. In the views our power, I don't
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Speaker 5: agree with that. I I at the end of the day,
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Speaker 5: I believe in the Constitution. I believe in the rule
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Speaker 5: of law. I don't want power reviews by either side now,
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Speaker 5: but me that that you get the other side a
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Speaker 5: free past. My view, I've said many times I I
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Speaker 5: don't want a Republican Department of Justice. I don't want
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Speaker 5: a Democrat Department of Justice. I want a department of
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Speaker 5: justice that follows the law and that prosecutes the individuals
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Speaker 5: who commit crimes, regardless of their party. So, for example,
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Speaker 5: I hope if we in January we have a new
20:18
Speaker 5: president if Donald Trump is reelected, which is what I
20:20
Speaker 5: hope will happen, and we have a new Department of Justice.
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Speaker 5: I hope right at the outset, they open investigations into
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Speaker 5: the funding of these anti American and anti Israel and
20:31
Speaker 5: anti Semitic protests on college campuses, and they trace down,
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Speaker 5: follow the money, and they find out our terrorists finding
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Speaker 5: financing this, our foreign countries financing this. I hope they
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Speaker 5: use the full investigatory resources of the Department of Justice
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Speaker 5: to get to the bottom of that.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 5: Note, I'm not saying that because I have a target
20:51
Speaker 5: I want to put in jail. I'm saying that because
20:55
Speaker 5: I see the evidence of a crime and I want
20:57
Speaker 5: the Justice Department to investigate that. I'm in the prosecute
21:01
Speaker 5: whoever is guilty, And sadly, I don't believe the Justice
21:05
Speaker 5: Department is prosecuting that crime right now, because the foot
21:09
Speaker 5: side of what they're doing is they will abuse power
21:13
Speaker 5: to target their enemies, and they will also abuse power
21:15
Speaker 5: by protecting their friends. And so I get the vindictive instinct,
21:21
Speaker 5: but I think it's the wrong answer. I think we
21:23
Speaker 5: should demonstrate that the rule of law matters, and by
21:26
Speaker 5: the way, there is plenty of real criminality that prosecutors
21:31
Speaker 5: can pursue without engaging in the blatant abuse of power
21:36
Speaker 5: we've seen from Democrats in these cases against Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the politics of what we
21:43
Speaker 1: mentioned at the very beginning.
21:45
Speaker 2: We know from the White House.
21:47
Speaker 1: The words that we're going to hear over and over
21:49
Speaker 1: again between now and November fifth are convicted felon, convicted fellon,
21:55
Speaker 1: convicted felon.
21:57
Speaker 5: There is a convicted fella.
21:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, right exactly. So how powerful is that going to
22:04
Speaker 1: be politically? It is clearly engaged people today on Trump's side.
22:11
Speaker 1: I had two people walk up to me today this
22:15
Speaker 1: afternoon and they said, I've never given a political donation
22:18
Speaker 1: in my life, but damn it, tonight when the website
22:21
Speaker 1: gets back up, it crashed multiple times because some of
22:24
Speaker 1: you were going to donate. They said, I'm going to
22:26
Speaker 1: write a big check. And one of them said to me,
22:29
Speaker 1: I'm you know how much I'm going to donate. Seventeen
22:31
Speaker 1: seventy six. That's my number I'm donating. And this is
22:36
Speaker 1: someone that had never donated, he said, in his entire
22:39
Speaker 1: life to any political campaign, local, state, or national, And
22:44
Speaker 1: he said, this is our country under siege, and I'm
22:47
Speaker 1: going to get involved.
22:48
Speaker 5: No.
22:48
Speaker 2: Now, I think there's a lot.
22:50
Speaker 1: Of patriots out there and new patriots who are going
22:53
Speaker 1: to probably make that decision. But there's also center the
22:57
Speaker 1: other side, Democrats are going to be inspired by this.
23:01
Speaker 1: It's no longer looking at an incompetent Joe Biden. Their
23:05
Speaker 1: hatred for Donald Trump is now backfront and center.
23:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, look that this will inspire both sides. I don't
23:12
Speaker 5: believe this decision will change the outcome of the election
23:15
Speaker 5: in November. I think it's baked in the in the cape.
23:19
Speaker 5: I think rabbit partisan Democrats hate Trump so much they
23:23
Speaker 5: we're gonna vote against him in November. They're still gonna
23:25
Speaker 5: vote against him, and and and and this this is
23:29
Speaker 5: revenge born for them that that they're just living their fantasy. Yeah. Uh.
23:36
Speaker 5: In terms of Republicans, I think this energizes Republicans. You're right.
23:41
Speaker 5: The Trump website collapse win Red, which is the portal
23:46
Speaker 5: to contribute to Trump to Republican senators. That portal collapsed tonight.
23:51
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of people went and said,
23:53
Speaker 5: I want to contribute to the Republicans who are running
23:55
Speaker 5: this cycle precisely because of that. I think this will
23:59
Speaker 5: energize Republicans, and this may well energize people. Let's say
24:05
Speaker 5: you're not a Donald Trump. Then let's say you say
24:07
Speaker 5: you don't particularly like it, maybe you strongly opponent. If
24:10
Speaker 5: you care about the rule of laws, you ought to
24:12
Speaker 5: be outbreaking about this. If you care about actually a
24:15
Speaker 5: justice system that is not simply a tool to attack
24:19
Speaker 5: your enemies, you ought to be horrified by this. Because listen,
24:23
Speaker 5: if you go down to Latin America, you'd have a
24:25
Speaker 5: banana republics. My dad's from Cuba. Cuba understands what happened tonight.
24:30
Speaker 5: There are banana republics practice countries that understand what happened
24:34
Speaker 5: to night, which is one party gets in power and
24:36
Speaker 5: they use the justice system to try to lock up
24:38
Speaker 5: their predecessors, to try to lock up their opponents. If
24:43
Speaker 5: you don't want that to happen to America, even if
24:46
Speaker 5: you might even despise Donald Trump, you should be very
24:50
Speaker 5: upset about what happened tonight. The Democrats calculus at the
24:54
Speaker 5: beginning of this is that there would be two to
24:57
Speaker 5: three to five percent of voters. You are not very engaged,
25:01
Speaker 5: you are not paying attention a lot who will decide
25:05
Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks before election day, and if
25:08
Speaker 5: they hear the word fell and fell and Fellon repeated
25:10
Speaker 5: a gazillion times, we'll say, oh, I can't vote for
25:12
Speaker 5: a Felon, and so we'll vote for Ride. I'm really skeptical.
25:16
Speaker 5: I don't think it's played out that way. I think
25:19
Speaker 5: most Americans, other than the rabid Democrat partisans, recognize this
25:24
Speaker 5: was a political persecution, and so I don't see this
25:29
Speaker 5: changing votes. And I think even some Democrats and some
25:35
Speaker 5: in the media have backed away from their fervor from
25:38
Speaker 5: this because they see it backfired to some extent now
25:43
Speaker 5: not tonight. They're not backing away because they're too jubilant.
25:47
Speaker 5: This is too much. This is cathartic, and this is ecstasy,
25:51
Speaker 5: and this is shot in Freud, all unfolding at once.
25:55
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, I don't see
25:58
Speaker 5: this changing the outcome on election.
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Speaker 1: Final question for you on this, and it deals with
26:04
Speaker 1: the presidency and Joe Biden. I don't know how you
26:09
Speaker 1: can separate what this judge did from the corruption of
26:15
Speaker 1: the Biden White House. We know the attorneys that left
26:19
Speaker 1: the DOJ to go work on this case. We know
26:22
Speaker 1: that Alvin Bragg ran on this, We know he raised
26:24
Speaker 1: money off of it. We know that this judge has
26:28
Speaker 1: as a as a daughter that's heavily involved in fundraising
26:31
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Uh. And this all was orchestrated from
26:35
Speaker 1: from the Biden administration down.
26:39
Speaker 2: Now they're trying to act like now they're sprit from
26:42
Speaker 2: it like this is we stood back.
26:44
Speaker 1: We were just watching the wills of justice and and
26:48
Speaker 1: and and and a man be found accountable by a
26:51
Speaker 1: jury of his peers. That is clearly going to be
26:55
Speaker 1: their line. But make no mistake, none of this would
26:59
Speaker 1: have happened without the direction, uh of Biden. I said today,
27:04
Speaker 1: America has its own Vladimir Putin.
27:07
Speaker 2: Now his name is is Biden.
27:09
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is America's Putin right now, going after his
27:13
Speaker 1: political opponent and trying to lock them up.
27:15
Speaker 5: You know, in law, if you look at something like
27:18
Speaker 5: anti trust law, there's a concept in law called conscious parallelism,
27:24
Speaker 5: which is people that all have similar incentives behaving similarly.
27:29
Speaker 5: But it's not a conspiracy. They just all are acting
27:32
Speaker 5: according to the same incentives. I don't know that Alvin
27:37
Speaker 5: Bragg is taking orders from the Biden White House. I
27:42
Speaker 5: agree that the Biden, Joe Biden has been dictatorially's abused
27:45
Speaker 5: his power. But I think Alvian Bragg is a petty
27:49
Speaker 5: dictator of his own. He's George sorows Da. He ran
27:53
Speaker 5: on getting Joe Biden. You know, when his was the
27:56
Speaker 5: first indictment. I think a lot of Democrats are kind
27:58
Speaker 5: of sheepish. They said, Okay, this one is really sketchy.
28:02
Speaker 5: They didn't want this to be the lead case. And look, ultimately,
28:07
Speaker 5: the bidend OJ they sent the number three lawyer at
28:10
Speaker 5: d OJ, who had been a Democrat donor before in
28:14
Speaker 5: a Democrat themselves, and they sent him to be part
28:16
Speaker 5: of the trial team. So the Biden d OJ got
28:19
Speaker 5: in bed with this partisan prosecution. But but I'm not
28:23
Speaker 5: convinced that Alvin Bragg did so at the direction of
28:26
Speaker 5: the White House. I just think he hates Trump's guts.
28:30
Speaker 5: So does everyone in the bidend Oj, Biden, the White House,
28:34
Speaker 5: so does Fanny Willits down in Georgia, so does just
28:37
Speaker 5: about every wild eyed partisan Democrat. And so I wouldn't
28:43
Speaker 5: say it as as much a direction from the White
28:46
Speaker 5: House as that they're all suffering from the same Trump
28:50
Speaker 5: derangement syndrome where they're willing to burn it all down,
28:54
Speaker 5: to destroy the rule of law, to abuse the justice
28:58
Speaker 5: system because they hate the Trumps so much, and they've
29:01
Speaker 5: convinced themselves if he is re elected, if he's president,
29:06
Speaker 5: it's the end of democracy. I mean, we played on
29:08
Speaker 5: Wednesday's pod Robert de Niro going on and on that'll
29:12
Speaker 5: be the last election ever if Trump is elected, which
29:14
Speaker 5: is just it's arrange, it's unhim. But I don't think
29:19
Speaker 5: de Niro is lying in that. I think he believes
29:21
Speaker 5: every word he says. I suspect Alvin Brad does too,
29:24
Speaker 5: and I suspect the Biden White House that POJ does
29:27
Speaker 5: as well.
29:28
Speaker 2: Final question, you're a poll guy. I love polls. I
29:31
Speaker 2: want your prediction.
29:33
Speaker 1: The first major polls that come out after this verdict
29:37
Speaker 1: has obviously come down, will they show that Donald Trump
29:43
Speaker 1: starts to lose momentum. Do you think he'll go backwards
29:47
Speaker 1: in the polls nationally or in swing states? Do you
29:51
Speaker 1: think this could even backfire more? Because you did say,
29:55
Speaker 1: and I agreed with you, that if they make him
29:57
Speaker 1: more powerful, his poll numbers would go up. That ha
30:00
Speaker 1: happen when the court case started you said it's going
30:02
Speaker 1: to make people solidify their support behind on Trump. But
30:05
Speaker 1: now that he has the he's a convicted felon around
30:09
Speaker 1: his neck, and that what happens in the polls.
30:13
Speaker 5: So when the indictment first came down, the first indictment,
30:16
Speaker 5: I said on this podcast, this indictment will be worth
30:20
Speaker 5: ten points for Donald Trump in the polls. Now that's
30:22
Speaker 5: in the progress. A week later, Trump was up ten.
30:25
Speaker 5: That prediction proved exactly accurate. Now, to be fair, that's
30:29
Speaker 5: a primary poll. Primary polls are different than general election polls,
30:33
Speaker 5: and so it caused Republicans to rally around Trump, even
30:37
Speaker 5: some Republicans who were not supporting Trump at that time.
30:40
Speaker 5: The general election, it's a little harder. I think most
30:43
Speaker 5: of the views on both sides are baked in. But
30:46
Speaker 5: if you forced me to make a prediction, my prediction
30:49
Speaker 5: right now is Trump. I think it is mildly beneficial
30:54
Speaker 5: for Trump and the polls. I don't think it is
30:55
Speaker 5: major league because I think most of the people on
30:58
Speaker 5: both sides are baked in and it almost doesn't matter
31:02
Speaker 5: at this point. They're not moving. But if you press me,
31:06
Speaker 5: I would say, I don't think it's going to cause
31:09
Speaker 5: showing the poles, and I would say I think it's
31:12
Speaker 5: likely to be a mile positive benefit for trumping the poles,
31:17
Speaker 5: and he's already leading the poles right now.
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