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BTS Grandpas · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Warning.
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Speaker 2: In this episode, you'll be hearing about my dad, talk
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Speaker 2: about astrology, baseball, K pop, heavy metal and hit us,
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Speaker 2: Halo and Stitch, and also growing up as an immigrant,
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Speaker 2: which I think is awesome. If you're down into it,
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Speaker 2: that's okay, but I hope you stick around.
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Speaker 3: And devitiation.
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Speaker 1: I feel amazing Mbara breaking end of a Monday and
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Speaker 1: the recredation then killaborations in the attack team fifth that
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Speaker 1: it has been wrapping the affecting affecting.
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Speaker 3: You know what that means, you know what, It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: My nemerologist told me that I should be eating bananas
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Speaker 3: every day and particularly on Wednesdays, and today is Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: So I've got these tiny, tiny bananas that are maybe
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Speaker 3: half the height of my palm. I'm gonna tear a
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Speaker 3: couple off and eat them and also press them into
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Speaker 3: my palm. Back when I began this show, doctor Kumar,
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Speaker 3: the astrologer I met in Queen's told me I should
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Speaker 3: consider buying an emerald.
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Speaker 4: It would be a good idea if you were an emerald.
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Speaker 5: Emberle is a gemstone for the planet Mercury to have
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Speaker 5: better communication, better connection.
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Speaker 3: Basically, it's a way of nudging the universe telling it
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Speaker 3: to boost the wearers communication skills. The truth is I
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Speaker 3: could use the help. I mean, I stutter and I mumble,
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Speaker 3: and I'm introverted, and here I am making a podcast.
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Speaker 3: So I'm very tempted by a quick fix.
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Speaker 6: So let's see if this makes me more of a
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Speaker 6: leader and.
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Speaker 3: Better at communicating. I think gems are a big part
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Speaker 3: of Indian astrology. They're used as duct tape quick solutions
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Speaker 3: to strengthen the deficiencies in your birth chart. For example,
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Speaker 3: my mercury is weak, so an emerald can help compensate.
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Speaker 3: The problem is that many astrologers are known for having
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Speaker 3: a tie in with a jeweler and taking a commission
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Speaker 3: for referrals, which makes me suspicious. But also I live
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Speaker 3: in New York City and I'm kind of a cheapskate.
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Speaker 3: An emerald sounds pricey. That's why I was thrilled when
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Speaker 3: a different seer, doctor DV. Malhotra, who has a PhD
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Speaker 3: in numerology, told me to forget about jewelers and just
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Speaker 3: buy some bananas instead. Which is odd because.
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Speaker 5: I'm born and brought up in a daily jeweller family
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Speaker 5: and married to a Mumbai based jeweller family.
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Speaker 3: Her house is filled with too many jewelers, and although
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Speaker 3: she's been surrounded by sparkly things all her life.
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Speaker 5: I don't recommend my clients to wear any semi precious stones.
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Speaker 3: To her, the magic isn't in the cut of the stone,
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Speaker 3: but in its color.
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Speaker 5: I heal them with the remedies, and my remedies are
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Speaker 5: very simple. You can eat banana apple. Yes, that's called
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Speaker 5: the color therapy.
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Speaker 3: She believes that fruit can do what gems do for
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Speaker 3: a fraction of the price. So, after this intense and
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Speaker 3: complicated numerical analysis of my birth times and dates, she
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Speaker 3: hands me a thick packet of information that describes my
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Speaker 3: personality fairly accurately, along with my many flaws, and then
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Speaker 3: she recommends the colors that'll improve my life.
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Speaker 5: Green and sun colors. You can use sun colors in
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Speaker 5: your life, so if you will touch colors to your
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Speaker 5: skin on every Wednesday, that will also help you out.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Devia has no shortage of clients, but she has
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Speaker 3: a gripe with the way people seek help from her.
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Speaker 3: She tells me that people only come when they're desperate
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Speaker 3: for solutions.
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Speaker 5: Basically, you know what I want to give awareness that
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Speaker 5: you go to any occult science healer. Don't go when
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Speaker 5: you are in pain, whether it's me or anybody else.
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Speaker 6: Work in the.
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Speaker 5: Present to secure your future. Don't come to me when
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Speaker 5: your present is worse to secure your future.
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Speaker 3: Her notion is why can't people treat in numerologists like
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Speaker 3: a doctor the same way you do wellness checks to
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Speaker 3: stay healthy, keep your life in balance.
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Speaker 5: I can't give you the result overnight.
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Speaker 3: I don't go to the gym anymore, so maybe a
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Speaker 3: regular banana holding on Sundays and Wednesdays is how I'll
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Speaker 3: stay on top of things. Doctor Davia tells me it'll
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Speaker 3: be three to four months of this by the time
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Speaker 3: I see results, which I guess isn't any weirder than
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Speaker 3: believing in the power of a shiny stone. But I
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Speaker 3: do feel silly because it is silly.
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Speaker 6: So ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: I moved from holding the banana at chest level with
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Speaker 3: two hands to raising the banana up to the sky
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Speaker 3: like it's Simba from the Lion King, and then I
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Speaker 3: eat it. I don't normally neat breakfast, though happy about that.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Tavia is right about astrology and the moments we
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Speaker 3: turn to it. Right now. Michelle Fan, a prospective law
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Speaker 3: school student and then on a bashed BTS super fan
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Speaker 3: is in crisis because her favorite band is in crisis
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Speaker 3: just when she needs the most.
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Speaker 7: All of a sudden, the members are crying, and then
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Speaker 7: I'm crying and I don't know what's going on. I'm
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Speaker 7: texting my friends. I thought like my life was flashing
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Speaker 7: before my eyes, because here are these people who have
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Speaker 7: always been so happy, and now they're being vulnerable with us,
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Speaker 7: and they're crying. They're talking about it like it's a breakup,
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Speaker 7: even though they're saying it's not a breakup.
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Speaker 4: Don't know.
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Speaker 3: From Kaleidoscope and iHeart podcasts, I'm Mongish Hearticular. Welcome to
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Speaker 3: Skyland Drive Chapter one, T Shirts and boy Bands. Michelle,
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Speaker 3: why don't you say your full name for me and
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Speaker 3: just give me a little introduction about yourself.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, my name is Michelle Fan. I am currently
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Speaker 7: working full time in human rights, but right now, with
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Speaker 7: my free time, I've been devoting it all to traveling
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Speaker 7: and keeping up with BTS's activities.
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Speaker 3: From the moment I start chatting with Michelle, I like her.
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Speaker 3: She has this bubbly energy and this incredible sweetness that
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Speaker 3: I'm not expecting, maybe because I know a little bit
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Speaker 3: about her circumstance. One of her friends, my colleague Viny,
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Speaker 3: is worried about her. Michelle is super smart, college Honor
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Speaker 3: Society aister elsat smart, but it's been a year since
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Speaker 3: she graduated, and she hasn't filled out her law school
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Speaker 3: applications yet. She's been pushing it off for some reason,
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Speaker 3: and her pals are wondering can astrology help, because maybe
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Speaker 3: you can give her the nuds she needs. But as
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Speaker 3: we talk, it's not clear to me how much Michelle
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Speaker 3: wants a reading for herself so much as she wants
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Speaker 3: it for BTS, the massive Korean pop group.
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Speaker 7: I would like to know about their future families and
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Speaker 7: how many kids they're going to have, and how long
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Speaker 7: they're going to keep doing this for and what kind
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Speaker 7: of music they'll do when they're like gray and old,
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Speaker 7: and if they'll still perform or like get together and
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Speaker 7: do things like that.
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Speaker 3: Michelle's a BTS superfan or what's known as army.
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Speaker 7: You can't be a casual army like. There's just something
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Speaker 7: that is so captivating about BTS. Once you're in it,
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Speaker 7: you're really in it, man, Like. Most of my closest
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Speaker 7: army friends are people that I already knew, and we
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Speaker 7: connected even more over this thing that we weren't really
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Speaker 7: embarrassed to like, but people wanted to make us embarrassed
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Speaker 7: to like.
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Speaker 3: I feel guilty here because I'm technically anti boy band.
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Speaker 3: In third grade, my friends Zoe and I would rip
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Speaker 3: on new kids on the block and we were constantly
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Speaker 3: evangelizing how lame we thought they were. In high school,
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Speaker 3: I ribbed my little cousin because every time a Backstreet
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Speaker 3: Boys video came on, she screamed like it was Beatlemania
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Speaker 3: and it made no sense to me. But it wasn't
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Speaker 3: just the music that offended me, something about how manufactured
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Speaker 3: these groups always are, Like you've got to have the
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Speaker 3: bad boy and the sweetheart and the shy one and
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Speaker 3: the slightly older brother who seems a little too old
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Speaker 3: to be in the band. The groups are always perfectly
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Speaker 3: curated for mass consumption versus you know, outsiders who are
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Speaker 3: trying to express something real and authentic with their music
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Speaker 3: and aren't part of some assembly line anyway. What does
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Speaker 3: being a member of this fandom mean to you?
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Speaker 7: What does it mean to me?
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Speaker 6: Oh?
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Speaker 7: Man, it means a lot. It's really nice to feel
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Speaker 7: like you're part of something that is genuinely just like
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Speaker 7: full of like kindness and love and family. I think
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Speaker 7: that they do a really good job of making Army
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Speaker 7: feel like they're part of their family.
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Speaker 3: Seeing BTS live was a transcendent experience for her.
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Speaker 7: You just look around you. All you see are these
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Speaker 7: lightsticks that are waving around, and it really feels like
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Speaker 7: you're in a sea of stars. My friend and I
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Speaker 7: was that and bald after the concert was over because
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Speaker 7: we were like, we're never going to have that magical
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Speaker 7: experience again. I imagine that this is like what Disney adults
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Speaker 7: feel like every summer. I wish I could have that,
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Speaker 7: but I have to wait for the off chance that
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Speaker 7: bt US is going to announce performance in America for
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Speaker 7: me to experience that level of like etherealness.
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Speaker 3: So Michelle spends her extra hours thinking about BTS and
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Speaker 3: interacting with fans, and luckily for Army, BTS has no
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Speaker 3: shortage of content. But as Michelle talks, it becomes clear
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Speaker 3: it isn't just about the music for her or the community,
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Speaker 3: which is powerful, It's also about seeing a Korean band
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Speaker 3: making it to the top of the American charts without
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Speaker 3: having to compromise their identity.
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Speaker 7: I do feel like an additional connection to BTS because
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Speaker 7: it's been so nice to see Asian artists really fully
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Speaker 7: embrace their Asian news.
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Speaker 3: Michelle came to the States from China as a toddler.
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Speaker 3: Her dad brought the family over as he finished his PhD.
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Speaker 3: But even though they became upwardly mobile living in a
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Speaker 3: nice suburban community, life at home at times was turbulent.
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Speaker 7: My dad was pretty abusive. He's really not a great guy.
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Speaker 7: He eventually left, which good riddance. My mom's here at home,
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Speaker 7: and my dad's in China, and my brother is here
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Speaker 7: with us too, So now it's just us three, and
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Speaker 7: I guess my cat.
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Speaker 3: Michelle doesn't dwell on the abuse or her absent dad.
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Speaker 3: It's just a speed bump. She happens to acknowledge as
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Speaker 3: we talk about her upbringing. But being there for her
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Speaker 3: mom and her brother, that's a big part of her identity,
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Speaker 3: and that caring doesn't stop with her family. Michelle stands
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Speaker 3: up for anyone who is wounded.
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Speaker 7: Since middle school, I've wanted to go into human rights work.
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Speaker 7: I've always just cared a lot about what's fair and
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Speaker 7: what's not fair. I'm sure part of it also comes
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Speaker 7: from coming here as an immigrant and figuring out how
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Speaker 7: to fit in. Why do I have to chop off
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Speaker 7: all of these parts of myself to fit in to
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Speaker 7: this mold so that you can still not see me
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Speaker 7: as an equal? Like that doesn't seem.
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Speaker 3: Right, that tension of identity. I know what she means.
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Speaker 7: I didn't want my parents to meet people. I didn't
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Speaker 7: want people to meet my grandparents. I was just very
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Speaker 7: ashamed of everything related to my family, and that didn't
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Speaker 7: really change until high school.
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Speaker 3: My parents were never an embarrassment to me, but sometimes
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Speaker 3: my house could be like, do you really want to
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Speaker 3: invite people in just to explain the myths and religious
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Speaker 3: iconography on your walls? Again? Do you bring a tiffin
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Speaker 3: with delicious rice and doll and pickles to the school
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Speaker 3: cafeteria or do you beg your parents for a whitebread
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Speaker 3: peebie and j and a juice box because it just
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Speaker 3: makes life easier. There's a constant question of how you
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Speaker 3: bridge the person you are inside your home versus the
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Speaker 3: person you have to be outside it, and how you
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Speaker 3: explain and justify these two identities.
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Speaker 7: It really helped that one summer we went back to China,
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Speaker 7: and that was when I was really aware that I
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Speaker 7: was like, oh, I didn't grow up in this country,
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Speaker 7: but I feel so at home here. Why is that.
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Speaker 7: Hearing my regional dialect spoken, having the food, seeing everybody
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Speaker 7: dry their beans outside, you know, all of these like
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Speaker 7: tiny little details reminded me that it was perfectly fine
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Speaker 7: for my family to be the way that it was,
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Speaker 7: and that there was nothing to be ashamed of. That
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Speaker 7: transitioned into a lot of pride.
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Speaker 3: I think that's common too, or at least I hope
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Speaker 3: it is. That at some point you stop worrying about
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Speaker 3: the differences and just own them. But that doesn't always
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Speaker 3: mean the world accepts you. Back in two thousand and two,
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Speaker 3: not long after nine to eleven, I moved to Birmingham, Alabama.
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Speaker 3: The day I was leaving, my dad handed me a
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Speaker 3: T shirt with an American flag and an eagle on it.
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Speaker 3: I'd already packed the car and I'd come in to
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Speaker 3: give him a hug, and he just kind of handed
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Speaker 3: it to me like it was the short sleeve totem
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Speaker 3: that could let everyone know I was American too. I
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Speaker 3: knew his fears. I mean, in the weeks and months
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Speaker 3: after nine to eleven. I remember the looks I get,
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Speaker 3: the comments, the shoves, the ways people tried to instigate
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Speaker 3: fights with me, things I knew were only directed my
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Speaker 3: way because of the color of my skin. Still, I
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Speaker 3: tucked this T shirt in my bag and I never
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Speaker 3: actually wore it, but I was thinking about that shirt
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Speaker 3: again and my dad's idea of this weird form of
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Speaker 3: protection because Michelle started talking about this moment in time
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Speaker 3: from when COVID hit America forward, when anti Asian hate
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Speaker 3: became so prevalent and so visible, how the world inside
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Speaker 3: her suddenly felt so much warmer and comforting than the
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Speaker 3: one waiting outside her door.
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Speaker 7: I also, like really didn't go out during COVID. Every
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Speaker 7: time I did go out, it did make me super
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Speaker 7: super paranoid. Even now, just like going on the subway,
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Speaker 7: like I still feel pretty anxious. I'll text my friends
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Speaker 7: so that they know where I am, but like now
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Speaker 7: it's not like a hym I'm in the you know,
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Speaker 7: I'm in the city, like keep an eye out for me.
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Speaker 7: It's like hope I don't get pushed off the platform.
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Speaker 3: I'm not scared for myself these days, not really, but
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Speaker 3: I am scared for my friends, my Asian friends, my
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Speaker 3: friends who were women. In twenty twenty one, there were
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Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty three reported anti Asian hate crimes
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Speaker 3: in New York City alone. In New York City alone,
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Speaker 3: fifty five percent of those were against women. It's no
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Speaker 3: surprise that we cling to these totems for strength, because no,
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Speaker 3: I don't believe that clutching onto a bend or a
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Speaker 3: T shirt or a gem or a banana can protect you.
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Speaker 3: But in the face of so much unearned anger, maybe
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Speaker 3: that grip gives you the courage of particularly moving forward.
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Speaker 5: Rob It's.
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Speaker 6: And it's your class.
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Speaker 2: Much down with my recipes and the class it's been
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Speaker 2: color skating, never.
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Speaker 3: Beato, looking at what's next chapter, choosing teams, Comma Team
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Speaker 3: and a family men of l blas.
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Speaker 6: Now are we feel up with reality?
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Speaker 3: It's funny to think about Michelle's incredible moment of transcendence
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Speaker 3: occurring in a stadium, because so many fans walk out
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Speaker 3: of arenas feeling the same way. The high of watching
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Speaker 3: your favorite team cheering in unison with a crowd. I mean,
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Speaker 3: there's nothing like it, and that's how Sazar love feels.
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Speaker 4: The game is a portal into something else.
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Speaker 3: Seesar is a baseball astrologer.
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Speaker 4: I'm coming from the West coast San San Francisco. I
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Speaker 4: am part of the tribe of Giants fans and also
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Speaker 4: part of the tribe of Oakland Athletics fans.
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Speaker 3: He loved stats and history, but somewhere along the way
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Speaker 3: he got frustrated he couldn't understand why his beloved team
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Speaker 3: wasn't winning. I mean, they had an incredible lineup, so
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Speaker 3: out of curiosity, he wondered if astrology had an answer.
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Speaker 3: Could mercury be holding his team back from the success
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Speaker 3: they surely deserved.
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Speaker 4: You couldn't understand the team by looking at the chart.
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Speaker 4: The Yankees have saturn in the first house. They have
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Speaker 4: this sense of tradition and that's sort of imposing intimidating quality.
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Speaker 4: So yes, it does come across.
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Speaker 3: Sesar kept studying, he kept grasping for understanding, but it
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Speaker 3: just wasn't something he could be open about. Baseball astrology.
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Speaker 3: I mean it sounds nuts. But then he met Andrea Malice.
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Speaker 8: I'm testing with mercury retrograde one, two three testing.
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Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure if it was the nineties or
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Speaker 4: early two thousands, but I met her at a meeting
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Speaker 4: of the Society of American Baseball Research at the Oakland Coliseum.
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Speaker 4: She was sitting next to me, and she asked the
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Speaker 4: question to the general manager if they had ever used
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Speaker 4: astrology in their analysis. And I thought, oh my god,
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Speaker 4: this crowd is not going to be into this at all.
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Speaker 4: But Andrea, who just is a lot more abrazen about
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Speaker 4: these things that I am, didn't care.
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Speaker 3: And when you talk to Andrea, you know exactly why.
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Speaker 8: Here's the thing, I'm originally from New York. It takes
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Speaker 8: a lot to intimidate me.
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Speaker 3: Despite the fact that people might bok. She has an
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Speaker 3: impressive list of clients.
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Speaker 8: I was the astrologer during the a's moneyball era. Obviously,
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Speaker 8: in terms of client confidentiality, I can't name names, but
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Speaker 8: I have players.
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Speaker 3: When I first heard about the Venn diagram of baseball
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Speaker 3: and astrology, I was hoping we could get some predictions.
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Speaker 8: You know, the sports astrology nitch is something I totally
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Speaker 8: believe in and see results from.
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Speaker 3: With the World Series just around the corner, I wondered
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Speaker 3: if Andrea or Sazar knew who was going to win.
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Speaker 3: But when we actually approached the question, they were reluctant
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Speaker 3: to say.
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Speaker 8: I'm a cosmic umpire, you know, it's cosmic intel. I
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Speaker 8: get most of the calls, right.
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Speaker 4: I don't like to make those kind of predictions anymore.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a trap for astrologers. A lot of
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Speaker 4: them like to make predictions and feel like they're smart
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Speaker 4: and show to other people they're smart and say they're there.
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Speaker 4: I told you so. I'd rather just leave that, just
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Speaker 4: watch things unfold.
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Speaker 3: So then how can they use their astrological knowledge practically?
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Speaker 3: For Andrea, it's about coaching players and teams through really
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Speaker 3: big decisions.
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Speaker 8: Tim Linskam he was a pitcher for the Giants. That's
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Speaker 8: why his dad. Then he goes he's.
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Speaker 9: Turning down five years one hundred million. Help, and I
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Speaker 9: like Palston. I go, Chris, what time was Tim Bourne?
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Speaker 9: And he told me what time he was born? And
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Speaker 9: I said, you know, he's a Gemini. He's restless. He's
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Speaker 9: having a sad and return between twenty eight and thirty.
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Speaker 9: When I explained it to Chris, who was sort of
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Speaker 9: a permission giver, I mean, he still didn't want him
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Speaker 9: to turn down five years one hundred million.
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Speaker 8: But it's like, all right, he's a Gemini. He's a
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Speaker 8: little scattered. He wants to see what else is out there.
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Speaker 3: Andrew and Sizar know how to use statistics to reduce
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Speaker 3: the game to numbers and calculations and take the emotion
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Speaker 3: out of sporting decisions. They know how to use the
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Speaker 3: numbers of Estralla to that end too.
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you I've got four planets in Virgo, and
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Speaker 8: on a good day, I'm a micromanaging, control free I
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Speaker 8: take a deep dive and I look at all the details.
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Speaker 8: I just can't watch a game and relax. I wish
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Speaker 8: I could, but you know, this is what makes me
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Speaker 8: happy as a Virgo.
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Speaker 3: But for both of them, baseball is a link to
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Speaker 3: something grander.
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Speaker 4: People don't realize this. Baseball actually began as a pagan
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Speaker 4: fertility ritual. You can study the archaeology of baseball and
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Speaker 4: it's not a uniquely American artifact. It's been played on
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Speaker 4: all continents for millennium. The game has sort of evolved
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Speaker 4: to where we have it now with the diamond with
22:44
Speaker 4: ninety feet distances between bases, but its origins and its
22:48
Speaker 4: history are as old as the hills.
22:51
Speaker 3: Something courses through players and fans, connecting them not just
22:55
Speaker 3: to one another, but to the universe. It's like a
22:59
Speaker 3: certain type the thief.
23:01
Speaker 4: People go to a baseball game, they just feel good.
23:02
Speaker 4: It's the way people feel when they go to the
23:05
Speaker 4: beach and they know they're in the presence of something
23:07
Speaker 4: awesome the ocean. There is something just profoundly spiritual happening
23:12
Speaker 4: in the following of a baseball team. So I think
23:15
Speaker 4: of each team as a spiritual community.
23:17
Speaker 3: There are found families, just like the BTS Army.
23:32
Speaker 6: Chapter three.
23:34
Speaker 3: It's not embarrassing. It's in your chart.
23:38
Speaker 1: God's groove of guys on my own soon learning no shit.
23:41
Speaker 8: It takes me back to my own school.
23:43
Speaker 6: Shit in me head. I take the knowledge.
23:45
Speaker 9: Oh who is this?
23:46
Speaker 8: Running around the world does end up and getting out
23:48
Speaker 8: the dawns?
23:49
Speaker 3: Oh shoot, oh shoot.
23:51
Speaker 10: This is a chart that has a lot of ambition,
23:53
Speaker 10: a lot of drive, and a lot of desire to achieve.
23:56
Speaker 8: There might be a I've got our.
23:58
Speaker 3: House astrologer Janelle Grave on the line here and I'm
24:02
Speaker 3: just connecting her with Michelle pushed forward. They're doing it
24:05
Speaker 3: over zoom because Michelle happens to be in Texas this week.
24:08
Speaker 8: I do like law for you.
24:11
Speaker 10: The night House traditionally has connections to the law, to philosophy,
24:15
Speaker 10: to higher learning, to higher education, to international travel, putting
24:20
Speaker 10: information out into the world and receiving information on a
24:23
Speaker 10: grand scale.
24:25
Speaker 6: I don't know.
24:26
Speaker 7: I feel like you're really buttering me up with this
24:28
Speaker 7: like international travel.
24:29
Speaker 3: Talk, because I'm like, oh, girl, tell me more about that.
24:32
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear more about where I'm going
24:34
Speaker 3: to be. Michelle doesn't know if any of this is real,
24:36
Speaker 3: but she's definitely game to hear it all. Her chart
24:40
Speaker 3: shows innate leadership skills and troubleshooting skills. It's as she's
24:44
Speaker 3: incredibly inquisitive in how she perceives and moves through the world.
24:48
Speaker 7: A lot of it rings true, very spooky.
24:51
Speaker 3: But even though the talk is flattering, there are these
24:54
Speaker 3: moments when Michelle just disappears. She goes quiet, and I
25:00
Speaker 3: can't tell what she's thinking. No, I think, But as
25:05
Speaker 3: Janelle digs into family, Michelle reemerges.
25:09
Speaker 7: A lot of my interest in law is protecting cultures
25:14
Speaker 7: that are at risk of pretty much being trampled over
25:17
Speaker 7: or erased because of imperialism and globalization and authoritarianism.
25:24
Speaker 10: Maybe that's what's fueling you. You may come from a
25:27
Speaker 10: lineage that has people who have served in the military
25:30
Speaker 10: or have come from countries have experienced war. So where
25:33
Speaker 10: is this story of origin kind of showing up for
25:36
Speaker 10: you if any of these things are making sense so far?
25:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, I immigrated to the US when I was I
25:43
Speaker 7: think three ish, maybe slightly younger than three. My family
25:49
Speaker 7: being Chinese few generations ago lived through Japanese attacks on
25:55
Speaker 7: like our villages and things like that.
25:57
Speaker 10: Okay, so even for you, maybe moving a young age
26:00
Speaker 10: might have been disrupted.
26:01
Speaker 7: Right.
26:02
Speaker 10: Scorpio as a sign also deals a lot with rejection,
26:05
Speaker 10: where you feel like you don't belong or you feel
26:07
Speaker 10: like people are judging you or wanting you to be
26:09
Speaker 10: different than what you are.
26:10
Speaker 7: Yes, that's definitely the classic immigrant story of like you
26:16
Speaker 7: fit too much into the home culture that you left,
26:20
Speaker 7: and so then you don't fit into the new culture.
26:22
Speaker 7: And then you start assimilating as you get older, and
26:25
Speaker 7: then you come back home and your parents are like,
26:27
Speaker 7: what are they teaching you at school?
26:28
Speaker 4: Like what you know what I mean?
26:30
Speaker 3: So it is a classic story, the one Michelle and
26:34
Speaker 3: I and even Janelle as a first gen Panamanian must
26:38
Speaker 3: have felt. So the fact that it's typical it doesn't
26:43
Speaker 3: make you feel any less.
26:45
Speaker 10: Here we are now in twenty twenty two. Your next
26:49
Speaker 10: phase is going to be the balsamic moon.
26:51
Speaker 3: Face balsamic. I'd never heard of a balsamic moon, which
26:57
Speaker 3: sounds tasty, but in astrologics, it's actually the final sliver
27:02
Speaker 3: you see of a moon before it begins a new phase.
27:05
Speaker 3: And in sort of a poetic way, it relates to
27:08
Speaker 3: your commitment to your destiny.
27:10
Speaker 10: If you're applying to schools and all that, I want
27:12
Speaker 10: you to be very cognizant. All right, If I'm going
27:14
Speaker 10: to be doing this next journey, what part of my
27:16
Speaker 10: life do I really need to let go of right now?
27:19
Speaker 10: Because you can't walk into your new chapter, you know, kind.
27:21
Speaker 7: Of raggedy, right, yes, So it's embarrassing that you could
27:27
Speaker 7: sniff that out through my chart.
27:29
Speaker 6: That is embarrassing.
27:30
Speaker 7: It's not your chart, Like, no, I love it.
27:33
Speaker 3: I love it.
27:34
Speaker 10: You are Mars and Scorpio. You're supposed to face your fears,
27:37
Speaker 10: all right. There's an element of your tret that says
27:39
Speaker 10: you have to show up with courage and fire when
27:41
Speaker 10: you feel frightened.
27:42
Speaker 7: All right.
27:42
Speaker 3: Janelle is so clearly encouraging her to go ahead and apply.
27:46
Speaker 3: She's used the stars to confirm that Michelle is built
27:48
Speaker 3: to speak out on important issues and show up for
27:51
Speaker 3: people who can't speak out for themselves. But there's still
27:56
Speaker 3: something that's hindering Michelle, and I wonder what it is.
28:01
Speaker 3: But before we get to that, so I.
28:05
Speaker 10: Think, let's move on to BTS.
28:07
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.
28:11
Speaker 3: Last summer, BTS released a strange video that sent shockwaves
28:15
Speaker 3: through the fandom. They're usually sunny demeanor shifted and they
28:19
Speaker 3: began talking about how exhausted they were, how something needed
28:24
Speaker 3: to change. A few months later, news broke that they
28:27
Speaker 3: would begin their compulsory service in the South Korean military,
28:31
Speaker 3: enlisting in turns to serve two year stints. And even
28:35
Speaker 3: though they'll have time for some solo work before they go,
28:38
Speaker 3: fans knew this was the moment they'd been dreading as
28:41
Speaker 3: a group.
28:42
Speaker 10: They are heading into a full moon phase, and their
28:44
Speaker 10: full moon phase is going to be in July of
28:47
Speaker 10: next year. So full moons, like I said, can be
28:50
Speaker 10: like the culmination all the fruits of our labor ripe
28:53
Speaker 10: on the vine, but also full moons can talk about
28:56
Speaker 10: endings too. Knowing that this is the top of the
28:58
Speaker 10: top for right now and after this we know the
29:00
Speaker 10: decline is going to come because this is just moon phases, right.
29:03
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess oh man I I oh my god,
29:08
Speaker 7: my heart.
29:08
Speaker 5: M hmm.
29:09
Speaker 7: There's like a very selfish part of me that's like, no,
29:13
Speaker 7: like I want you to keep making music. I want
29:15
Speaker 7: you to stay together. But I think more than that,
29:18
Speaker 7: I want to know that they are able to make
29:23
Speaker 7: the choices that they need to make.
29:25
Speaker 10: This might be one of the things that you might
29:27
Speaker 10: have to quote unquote let go during this balsamic phase. Right,
29:30
Speaker 10: if this band decides that we're going to take a
29:32
Speaker 10: hiatus or whatever the case is, you know, you may
29:34
Speaker 10: not be as involved, but there's still going to be
29:36
Speaker 10: part of your life.
29:37
Speaker 4: Right.
29:37
Speaker 10: They're still together after many years, but go off and
29:40
Speaker 10: do their own thing and come back together every so
29:42
Speaker 10: often to enjoy performing.
29:44
Speaker 7: Yes, BTS.
29:45
Speaker 3: Grandpa's so about boy bands. Even though kpop is a
29:52
Speaker 3: five billion dollar industry now ruled by three major corporations
29:56
Speaker 3: and flooded with what the New Yorker referred to as
29:59
Speaker 3: quote generous government support, Michelle's maybe realize that BTS is
30:06
Speaker 3: actually different. The manager in charge of putting the band
30:09
Speaker 3: together allowed BTS's members to write lyrics and suggest themes
30:13
Speaker 3: to address their biggest concerns. So the band's first three
30:17
Speaker 3: albums they speak to Korean youth, trying to comfort them
30:21
Speaker 3: through the intense academic pressures that kids in the country
30:24
Speaker 3: face and that theme of protection that's infused their entire vibe.
30:31
Speaker 10: So here's urinatal chart on the inside and on the
30:35
Speaker 10: outside it's BTS.
30:36
Speaker 3: WHOA Janell doa something I was not expecting. She takes
30:40
Speaker 3: the BTS birth chart and she layers it over Michelle's
30:44
Speaker 3: chart to see the influence they'll have on one another.
30:47
Speaker 10: I love that mars Son and Jupiter and Jim and
30:50
Speaker 10: I are in your eleventh house, so bringing in possibilities
30:53
Speaker 10: for friendship and group and endeavors and collaborative things that
30:58
Speaker 10: might come in through the groups. I don't know if
30:59
Speaker 10: you have fan groups or fan fiction groups or whatever.
31:02
Speaker 10: It is something about them makes you feel like I
31:06
Speaker 10: can do this right if I just keep going, if
31:09
Speaker 10: I listen to the song away, do my applications, it'll
31:11
Speaker 10: be okay, like something.
31:13
Speaker 7: You know songs, but you know, I've been so emotional
31:18
Speaker 7: lately that I can't. I can, like listen to some
31:21
Speaker 7: of their songs where they use like older recordings and
31:23
Speaker 7: then I'll start crying and I'm like, okay, I can't
31:26
Speaker 7: do this application right now.
31:27
Speaker 10: I'm you emotional. Oh my god, that's okay, that's good, right,
31:31
Speaker 10: It's good to cry. It makes space.
31:47
Speaker 3: Chapter four, Okay, the sound of metal, the newest city because.
31:54
Speaker 10: Someone's gone is the run though the numbers gonna be
31:57
Speaker 10: saying is the sounds like I'm opendstands.
32:00
Speaker 3: The fun One of the things I've been thinking about
32:02
Speaker 3: is how in every generation it's a little easier to
32:05
Speaker 3: fit in where it should be.
32:07
Speaker 6: I mentioned to you, I've been in therapy for three years.
32:10
Speaker 11: It's another reason why it's funny you're doing the show
32:12
Speaker 11: now because I can actually talk about a lot of
32:14
Speaker 11: these things without getting emotional processed and healing.
32:18
Speaker 6: It's really nice.
32:19
Speaker 3: My cousin a lot is five years older than me,
32:21
Speaker 3: and even though it's only five years, that America he
32:25
Speaker 3: grew up in was so much harder than the one
32:27
Speaker 3: I experienced.
32:29
Speaker 6: I remember they would literally say, oh, you're Indian. What
32:31
Speaker 6: tribe are you? Navajo Cherokee?
32:33
Speaker 11: Yeah, you look at Indians in America now and we're
32:36
Speaker 11: the top eleven CEOs of the biggest eleven.
32:39
Speaker 12: Companies or whatever, and everybody in America is doing yoga
32:43
Speaker 12: and drinking chot Starbucks and there's never a problem knowing
32:48
Speaker 12: like what tribe you are now?
32:49
Speaker 6: You know, I say, we're the tribe that took over
32:52
Speaker 6: the world.
32:52
Speaker 3: Bro a Lot once told me, half jokingly, I'm like
32:57
Speaker 3: the coolest Indian you know, And he's right. I mean,
33:02
Speaker 3: even his name is cool.
33:04
Speaker 11: Basically, the beginning of an Indian classical piece, the musicians
33:08
Speaker 11: are warming up and they're just kind of vamping out
33:11
Speaker 11: on the three or four notes that they're going to
33:13
Speaker 11: be exploring in this piece.
33:16
Speaker 6: That section is called the Alap.
33:18
Speaker 11: It's strange that they knew I was going to go
33:21
Speaker 11: into music, because it's basically like naming your kid improv
33:24
Speaker 11: or something.
33:25
Speaker 3: Ever since I've known him, he's been surrounded by tapes
33:28
Speaker 3: and records, and by the time he was in college,
33:31
Speaker 3: he was producing albums. His band dialect was kind of
33:35
Speaker 3: like Public Enemy meets my Bloody Valentine. One time I
33:39
Speaker 3: told a hip hop head that Alap was my cousin,
33:41
Speaker 3: and he actually didn't believe me. I always just assumed
33:45
Speaker 3: a lop had it easy.
33:47
Speaker 6: You don't want to.
33:48
Speaker 11: See I think as soon as I got to New
33:50
Speaker 11: Jersey age six, nineteen eighty, and it was like a
33:53
Speaker 11: light switch.
33:53
Speaker 6: The very first day of school it started. It was like,
33:57
Speaker 6: I don't want to get.
33:57
Speaker 3: To graphic, but tell me because I because I want to.
34:00
Speaker 3: I mean, I can always cut out shit.
34:02
Speaker 6: Sure, Okay, well you're gonna probably have to do some editing.
34:09
Speaker 11: From the age of basically six till about thirteen, I
34:12
Speaker 11: can just remember every time I woke up in the morning,
34:16
Speaker 11: I had dread.
34:18
Speaker 6: You know, I had a massive anxiety. But we're Indians.
34:20
Speaker 6: We don't talk about it. We don't even know what
34:21
Speaker 6: that is. In nineteen eighty, right, I'm six years old.
34:24
Speaker 11: And basically as soon as I opened the door, girls
34:27
Speaker 11: are writing nick on my back.
34:30
Speaker 6: You know, I'm getting beat up.
34:32
Speaker 11: Girls would spit on me, make fun of my clothes,
34:35
Speaker 11: make fun of my lunch. I would throw my lunch
34:37
Speaker 11: out because my parents gave me tiffin boxes with Indian
34:40
Speaker 11: food and these white people.
34:41
Speaker 6: Were eating balooni and cheese. And I literally would cry
34:44
Speaker 6: every night.
34:46
Speaker 3: And as a lot, dug deeper into music, finding solace
34:49
Speaker 3: and heavier and heavier sounds. It only gave the kids
34:53
Speaker 3: at school another reason to pick on them.
34:56
Speaker 11: Heavy metal Hindu is what they used to say when
34:58
Speaker 11: I would get on the bus because I think, like
35:01
Speaker 11: age eleven, I started rocking. You know, I'd have like
35:05
Speaker 11: a Metallica Master of Puppet shirt with a jean jacket,
35:09
Speaker 11: but I would cut the sleeves off the jean jacket,
35:12
Speaker 11: so I guess they wanted to clown me.
35:14
Speaker 3: You know, the abuse was intense. They'd pull it his
35:17
Speaker 3: shirt until it ripped. They tell him metal wasn't for him,
35:21
Speaker 3: that not only did he not belong in town, but
35:23
Speaker 3: he didn't belong as a fan. They told him he
35:26
Speaker 3: wasn't allowed to have music, the one thing he truly loved.
35:30
Speaker 11: That became a drive for me. And this is gonna
35:33
Speaker 11: sound arrogant as hell, but it just gave me a catalyst.
35:36
Speaker 11: I was like, you know what, I'm gonna do this
35:38
Speaker 11: white boy shit harder than they can do it. I'm
35:40
Speaker 11: gonna do it better, and I'm going to prove them
35:42
Speaker 11: all wrong.
35:43
Speaker 3: Punk hip hop. These were outsider scenes. It wasn't just
35:48
Speaker 3: that a lot had this knack of knowing what's next.
35:51
Speaker 3: It's also that he felt safer in these places.
35:55
Speaker 11: We didn't have a community where we felt safe just
35:58
Speaker 11: being our Indian Souf. You know, we felt safe at
36:01
Speaker 11: the punk rock shows. We felt safe at the hip
36:04
Speaker 11: hop spots, breakdancing, we felt safe with the skateboarders in
36:07
Speaker 11: those scenes. Back then, you hung out with a bunch
36:10
Speaker 11: of non Indians and figured out a way to survive.
36:13
Speaker 3: And as much as music gave him an outlet, it
36:16
Speaker 3: was also a coping mechanism.
36:17
Speaker 6: I used to tour ten months of the year.
36:19
Speaker 11: I used to work twenty hours a day and never
36:21
Speaker 11: stop because I didn't want to deal with my present.
36:25
Speaker 11: So I became kind of a workholic and it fueled
36:28
Speaker 11: my entire career until I was thirty five.
36:31
Speaker 6: So I started to notice my mind is present.
36:34
Speaker 3: I feel really good now I'm starting to e I can.
36:36
Speaker 11: Talk about these horrifying experiences and not even cry.
36:40
Speaker 6: I feel like the universe gets me. And I know
36:43
Speaker 6: this sounds real.
36:43
Speaker 3: New ag or whatever, but I mean, it's an astrology podcast.
36:47
Speaker 7: So.
36:48
Speaker 11: All right, you're talking about all these things happen internally
36:53
Speaker 11: as well as in the universe.
36:55
Speaker 6: It's really strange, you know. And then we're musicians, right,
36:58
Speaker 6: so you're talking about repetition, petition, petition, petition, groops, groops.
37:03
Speaker 6: I mean I grew up on hip hop club music.
37:05
Speaker 11: So you're talking about orbits here, orbits here, orbits you know,
37:08
Speaker 11: you're talking about rythms.
37:09
Speaker 6: We're talking about vibrations. You know, shoved.
37:12
Speaker 11: The Hindu said it in the first element in creation,
37:16
Speaker 11: when the Big bang happened.
37:17
Speaker 3: Bangen was sound, that primordial sound its own. Maybe you've
37:26
Speaker 3: heard it chanted at a yoga class, or you've seen
37:29
Speaker 3: it printed on a tea label, but that drone, it's
37:34
Speaker 3: supposed to connect us to the divine, like a direct
37:37
Speaker 3: line to the essence of the universe. Allop's music has
37:42
Speaker 3: always built off this constant humming sound. However heavy the
37:47
Speaker 3: music gets, that scaffolding always connects back. It's like a
37:54
Speaker 3: subtle fu Like, how could anyone ever tell a lot
37:58
Speaker 3: he doesn't belong in this scene when his music is
38:03
Speaker 3: literally universal? Chapter five, This is how you belong waking
38:25
Speaker 3: up when people sleep and sleep. Michelle and I are
38:28
Speaker 3: chatting on zoom and I'm trying to gauge how the
38:30
Speaker 3: reading struck her.
38:32
Speaker 7: I have always been like a super skeptic, but in
38:36
Speaker 7: the moment, I was like, shoot man, Like I definitely
38:39
Speaker 7: took everything to heart that she was saying. She started
38:42
Speaker 7: talking about BTS going through a tough time.
38:44
Speaker 13: And I was like, oh no, no, what was she
38:49
Speaker 13: saying about applying to schools and a possible WAW career.
38:53
Speaker 7: I mean part of it is, you know, we talked
38:56
Speaker 7: about the potential of a jdphd program and kind of
39:00
Speaker 7: gave me a little kick in the butt and was like, listen,
39:02
Speaker 7: you need to be courageous because that is what your
39:05
Speaker 7: chart was telling you to do. If it's right for you,
39:07
Speaker 7: you just got to do it, even if it's like
39:09
Speaker 7: nerve wracking.
39:10
Speaker 13: Prior to this, I know that when Vihania we're talking,
39:14
Speaker 13: she had said that you are super smart, but were
39:17
Speaker 13: like hesitant to apply to law school and everyone was
39:20
Speaker 13: like you need to apply already, Like you have to
39:22
Speaker 13: get on with the application.
39:25
Speaker 6: So what was going on? Then?
39:27
Speaker 7: Before I graduated college, I was a lot more sure about,
39:34
Speaker 7: like law is the path that I'm going on. After
39:39
Speaker 7: my cousin got really really sick with cancer, and then
39:43
Speaker 7: my grandparents, who had been living with us, ended up
39:47
Speaker 7: returning to China, and you know, we knew they would
39:50
Speaker 7: be coming back, and then my brother was having a
39:53
Speaker 7: really hard time with all of it.
39:56
Speaker 3: Of course, Michelle couldn't focus on applying or even think
39:59
Speaker 3: about moving on way. Michelle is all about family, She
40:03
Speaker 3: lives her.
40:04
Speaker 13: Values, all of those things.
40:06
Speaker 7: Those ambitions felt so far away, while like all of
40:09
Speaker 7: the really really like hard shit I had to like
40:12
Speaker 7: witness every night.
40:15
Speaker 3: Whatever quality is, Michelle sees an army, whatever solace she
40:19
Speaker 3: gets from this community of fans beyond the music, this
40:22
Speaker 3: feeling that BTS is looking out for her, that it's
40:25
Speaker 3: a culture where everyone belongs, that there's an emphasis on
40:29
Speaker 3: showing up and being kind. It brings out the best
40:33
Speaker 3: in her.
40:34
Speaker 7: I think I needed the time to like grow and
40:37
Speaker 7: figure out how to bring like all of these different
40:41
Speaker 7: pieces of my life together.
40:46
Speaker 3: I'm thinking back on a story from when we first met.
40:49
Speaker 3: She told me about this time she and her best
40:51
Speaker 3: friend travel to la to attend a BTS concert, and
40:55
Speaker 3: just as they walk into the venue, Michelle spots an
40:58
Speaker 3: older woman a few sections over who looks petrified.
41:02
Speaker 7: Right, she very much look like an Asian granny. I
41:05
Speaker 7: would help any granny, but like especially when it's an
41:07
Speaker 7: Asian grandma who looks like my own grandma, I'm like,
41:09
Speaker 7: oh my god, we have to go help her.
41:11
Speaker 3: They go over ask if she's all right, and she's like.
41:14
Speaker 7: My seats are up there. I came all by myself,
41:17
Speaker 7: but I'm too scared to go up because I didn't
41:19
Speaker 7: realize it would be so high.
41:20
Speaker 3: So Michelle, being Michelle, walks the sweet grandma all the
41:24
Speaker 3: way up the steep staircase, and before she and her
41:27
Speaker 3: friend leave, they make the woman a promise.
41:29
Speaker 7: At the end of the show, just sit in your spot,
41:32
Speaker 7: hang out, and we'll walk you back down.
41:34
Speaker 3: Then they find their seats and enjoy the concert, or
41:37
Speaker 3: try to. They can't stop worrying. Every few minutes they
41:42
Speaker 3: look over to check on Grandma, and it turns out
41:46
Speaker 3: there is no need.
41:48
Speaker 7: She was doing just fine.
41:49
Speaker 3: She is having the time of her life. She's vibing
41:54
Speaker 3: and dancing and making friends with other armies.
41:58
Speaker 7: After the show, we all walked down together and were talking,
42:01
Speaker 7: and she told us that she flew by herself from Vegas.
42:04
Speaker 7: So I was like, oh my god, Grandma, to.
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Speaker 3: Me, this is the opposite of a lop story. Michelle
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Speaker 3: spotted an older woman who is clearly a BTS fan,
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Speaker 3: and instead of saying you don't belong, she welcomed her.
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Speaker 3: Even if BTS doesn't stay together, they've already built something lasting.
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Speaker 7: I still believe in my heart of hearts, BTS is
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Speaker 7: not going to pick up because they're not just a
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Speaker 7: group of their teams. Their family and family stay together,
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Speaker 7: Ohanna and everything.
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Speaker 3: I don't get any of Michelle's boy band references, but
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Speaker 3: I do know o'hanna because I love that line in
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Speaker 3: Leelo and Stitch, where Leelo says o'hanna means family and
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Speaker 3: family means no one gets left behind. Because in a sense,
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Speaker 3: everything Michelle cares about is family. The little tribe she
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Speaker 3: has in her home, the much bigger one she has online.
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Speaker 7: I think it comes out of just me wanting to
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Speaker 7: learn more about the world so that I can make
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Speaker 7: it suck a little bit less.
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Speaker 3: Look, I haven't been recruited to army, but I'm still
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Speaker 3: glad BTS success. I mean, why wouldn't we want a
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Speaker 3: world full of BTS's of all kinds, reminding us that
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Speaker 3: we all matter, especially if we get a world full
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Speaker 3: of Michelle's out of it God uh ben Eyah.
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Speaker 14: Guidh in Ia, Siva cony swoo, Shiva cony swoot.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening. Before I let you go,
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Speaker 3: just a few housekeeping notes. One my friend Sybil listened
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Speaker 3: to the Reagan episode and then she sent me this
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Speaker 3: incredible quote from the New York Times which I just
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Speaker 3: have to share. It goes quote after mister Reagan divulged
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Speaker 3: Miss Quigley's astrological role, missus Reagan never spoke to her again.
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Speaker 3: Miss quigglely likened the slight to buying a Picasso, putting
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Speaker 3: it in your living room and putting tape over the signature,
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Speaker 3: which is incredible. And second, you know, I do not
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Speaker 3: believe in astrology, but our house astrologer, Janelle Belgrave predicted
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Speaker 3: this show would be delivered in two parts, and that's
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Speaker 3: exactly what's happening. My other astrologer, doctor Kamara, said things
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Speaker 3: will get way better for this show after January eighteenth.
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Speaker 3: So we are following the stars. We're taking a break
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Speaker 3: for the holidays, throwing you a few super fun bonus
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Speaker 3: episodes in between, and then we will be back with
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Speaker 3: the second half of Skyline Drive starting mid January. But
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Speaker 3: if you like the show, please please review it in
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Speaker 3: the Apple Store. It makes our moms and us and
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Speaker 3: our investors all very very happy. Okay, that's it for
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Speaker 3: the updates. Anna hit me with some new music. Nice
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Speaker 3: Skyline Drive is a production of Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcast.
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Speaker 3: This show is hosted and written by me Mongish Heatiku.
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Speaker 3: But this show would not have made it to your
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Speaker 3: ears if a whole bunch of people weren't carrying me.
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Speaker 3: Starting with Mary Philip Sandy, our supervising producer. I am
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Speaker 3: not going to join army, but if someone starts a
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Speaker 3: maryps fan club, you know I'm in Beatu Pinshahi is
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Speaker 3: our wonderful senior producer. Instead of so many of these interviews,
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Speaker 3: Mark Latto is the very best story editor who took
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Speaker 3: my jumbled mess of words and created a story out
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Speaker 3: of it, even though he edited out the bits about
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Speaker 3: Nickelodeon and Doubledare You can ask me about those later.
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Speaker 6: This episode was.
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Speaker 3: Also produced and mixed by the insanely talented Anna Rubinova,
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Speaker 3: with scoring as always from Botany. Check out his SoundCloud.
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Speaker 3: I need to thank my son Henry, who jumped on
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Speaker 3: the mic for the warning. He doesn't have a SoundCloud yet,
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Speaker 3: but look for a new year or two. It's coming.
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Speaker 3: My big cousin Alop is just the best. You can
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Speaker 3: check out all his latest work at Internet andweed dot com.
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Speaker 6: That's right.
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Speaker 3: His label is called Internet and Weed and the music
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Speaker 3: is dope. Speaking of incredible music, got to thank my
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Speaker 3: friends at Azadi Records, Mumba's hottest label, also my Palhens
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Speaker 3: and my sister Shantahtiguler for her budgets which she sang
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Speaker 3: on this as always will link to our mixtapes in
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Speaker 3: the show notes. Oh and I I'm also going to
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Speaker 3: link to all the astrologers in this broadcast, doctor Vivia
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Speaker 3: the numerologist. She was so kind and so wonderful and
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Speaker 3: she gave me so much of her time. Janelle Belgrave
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Speaker 3: who we love here, Sesar and Andrea, the incredible baseball astrologers,
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Speaker 3: and of course the delightful doctor Kumar. Additional production and
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Speaker 3: research support from the wonderful Drew of Chivarral, Lizzie Jacobs,
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Speaker 3: my beautiful wife someone the most talented person I know, Bukshie,
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Speaker 3: and my cousin Argin Buckshee. This show is executive produced
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Speaker 3: from iHeart On, my good pals, making Etour and Katrina Norvel.
47:35
Speaker 3: Also got to thank my partners from Kaleidoscope who were
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Speaker 3: all okay with me taking this break, Oswa Lishan, Kate Osborne,
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Speaker 3: Costas Lina's and Vami Shoi. Special thanks to my friends
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Speaker 3: at iHeart, Shantan Soa, Rachel Strom, my family everywhere, and
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Speaker 3: as always a big thank you to my Amma and
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Speaker 3: my dad, Lalita and MJ who I thank my lucky
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Speaker 3: stars for. You have so many podcasts to choose from.
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Speaker 3: I just want to say thank you for listening.
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