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Full Episode: NYT Best Selling author Zakiya Dalila Harris & Sunni Hickman, VP of Marketing & Sales of The Harlem Globetrotters · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: an industry decision maker. Her name is Sonny Hickman. She's
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  Speaker 1: the vice president of marketing and Sales for the Hall
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  Speaker 1: of Globetrotters, you know the Hall of Gold Troters, the
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  Speaker 1: world famous Hall and Growth Trotters. They've been showcasing iconic
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  Speaker 1: talents and a hundred and twenty four countries and territories
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  Speaker 1: on six continents since they were founded in the six
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  Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six. Sonny Hickman is the creative powerhouse behind
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  Speaker 1: the Hall and Gold Globe Trotters Twitter twent one relaunch,
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  Speaker 1: orchestrating a team of handpicked specialists. She used the she
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  Speaker 1: ushered the iconic brand, throere renewed focus on black culture,
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  Speaker 1: ball of life, and social justice. Making decisions like that
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  Speaker 1: to a legendary brand does not come without proper planning.
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  Speaker 1: Sundays on the show to discuss her career and these
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  Speaker 1: successful brand changes to the Holland Globe Trotters. Please work
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  Speaker 1: with the money making conversations, Sonny Hickman, Thank you. I'm
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  Speaker 1: excited to be here. Sonny. I'd like to believe I
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  Speaker 1: laid it out pretty proper about the you know, iconic,
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  Speaker 1: you the big those big words you know in the
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  Speaker 1: brand that I grew up on. I'm gonna go all
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  Speaker 1: the way back to six. Why was the Harlem Globe
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  Speaker 1: try to start it? M hmm. The holland Gold Trotters
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  Speaker 1: were were started to really bring this, Uh celebrate when
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  Speaker 1: basketball bring the style of play um to the country.
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  Speaker 1: UM in a time where um, the Harlem Renaissance was
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  Speaker 1: just permeating around the country, and there was a style
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  Speaker 1: of play that came from these African American ballers that UM,
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  Speaker 1: a gentleman named Abe Safer Sin had the fortitude to say,
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  Speaker 1: people need to see this and experience it. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what started the hard Well, so I was I'm assuming
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  Speaker 1: when you say that it was tied to baby, you know,
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  Speaker 1: denial of the black athlete for participating in the white
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  Speaker 1: sport that they desire, and so they were left with
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  Speaker 1: um just playing with against themselves, like the Negro League,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and and a lot of leads that were
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  Speaker 1: developed out there. The most famous is the Negro League
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  Speaker 1: because of aceh ball into Jackie Robinson. But there were
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  Speaker 1: other situations out there in football and basketball that were
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  Speaker 1: not publicized. I guess you can say in a way,
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  Speaker 1: the Harlem Globetrotters was with basketball version of the Negro League.
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  Speaker 1: Is that correcting assessing that it is? And there were
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  Speaker 1: other um, you know, black basketball teams that were playing
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  Speaker 1: during that time, you know, when they weren't able to
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  Speaker 1: play you know, in the NBA when the you know,
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  Speaker 1: before the NBA was integrated. Um, I think the Harlem
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  Speaker 1: Globetrotters really were the team that put it to a
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  Speaker 1: whole another level and brought integration into the NBA. Little
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  Speaker 1: known factors, They Harlem Globetrotters would actually play a game
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  Speaker 1: before the NBA game back back in the day, and
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  Speaker 1: as it would turn out, is more people would come
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  Speaker 1: to the Harlem Globetrotters game then the NBA. So then
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  Speaker 1: they switched. The NBA team would play first and then
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  Speaker 1: the Globetrotters would play afterwards because they were the ones
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  Speaker 1: who were drawing the fans, right, people, people packing up
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  Speaker 1: their clothes leave, I got my snacks I've seen when
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  Speaker 1: I came to see Okay, you know, I know we
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  Speaker 1: all people who are Sonny who's hearing this end? If
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  Speaker 1: you'm talking to Sonny Hickman, the vice president of marketing
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  Speaker 1: and Sales for the Hall and Globetrotters, when we talk
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  Speaker 1: about it, I can I can have vivid memories of
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  Speaker 1: watching ABC Wild Worlds of Sports, you know, just laughing
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  Speaker 1: at these guys who had incredible skill and making amazing shots.
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  Speaker 1: When did the when were the when were the Holland
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  Speaker 1: Globe Trotters introduced into your life? And when they were
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  Speaker 1: introduced into your life as a as a as a
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  Speaker 1: team as a youngster, what effect did they have on
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  Speaker 1: the Hall and Crod Globetrotters have on you? Oh wonderful questions.
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  Speaker 1: So I was introduced to the Harlem Globetrotters through uh
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  Speaker 1: Scooby Doo and the Glotters as well as right. Remember
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  Speaker 1: that that was when I learned and then wide were
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  Speaker 1: the sport. So I used to see the Globe Totters
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  Speaker 1: there um and then when they came out on on
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  Speaker 1: Gilligan's Island, So when the Globe Totters are really deep
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  Speaker 1: in the pop culture, that's really when I learned the
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  Speaker 1: My my mom um never could afford to take me
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  Speaker 1: and my siblings to see them live, so I never
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  Speaker 1: saw the Harlem Globe Cotters live growing up, but I
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  Speaker 1: remember that flash and flare and funny and fun of
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  Speaker 1: the Globe Totters growing up. Well, it's really interesting, Like
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  Speaker 1: I I've actually had the pleasure of visiting your headquarters
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  Speaker 1: and it's almost like walking through a museum, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's really so much history and and it's so
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  Speaker 1: and it defines certain lanes and then how the Globe
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  Speaker 1: Trotters had an impact on our lives, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, even though they were entertainers, they also were
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  Speaker 1: crossing you know, international lines. They also were entertainers that
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  Speaker 1: everybody could relate to, and especially white America, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And because all I saw when I watched ABC Wild
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  Speaker 1: Wasp was an audience or stadium or arena field with
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  Speaker 1: white people. What does the audience make up of what
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  Speaker 1: the Globe charter is attracted right now? Mm hmmm. So
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  Speaker 1: I was talking. I'll tell you a quick story as
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  Speaker 1: I answered this question. I was talking to coach lou Dunbar.
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  Speaker 1: Lou Dunbar, he's one of our legends, Louis Dunbar graduating
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  Speaker 1: from my college, University of Houston. So I know Louis
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  Speaker 1: Dunbar six nine and a half point guard Portark. You
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  Speaker 1: can just stop talking to Sonny, So you just throw
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  Speaker 1: out Louis dumb On like I didn't know who you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about. Louis Dunbar, Come on, he was. He was
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  Speaker 1: a point forward, a port Forarvard before they were point forwards.
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  Speaker 1: I know him very well. University us to graduate Louise Dunbar. Continue, continue,
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  Speaker 1: I will continue for your audience. They may not have
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  Speaker 1: known like we do. So now we put them up
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  Speaker 1: on Games Fred, the little games. So Coach Lou shared
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  Speaker 1: with me once like people would ask them that question
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  Speaker 1: and like, why would you not, UM send the ball
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  Speaker 1: on the fingers of the little you know, black boys
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  Speaker 1: or girls at a game, And he would say, I
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  Speaker 1: couldn't get to them. They were so far up in
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  Speaker 1: the stands because of the tickets that they were able
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  Speaker 1: to purchase that he couldn't do that. So people of
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  Speaker 1: color were there in small numbers, but it was the
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  Speaker 1: Globe hutters were primarily UM entertaining what white audiences UM
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  Speaker 1: and have been doing that for decades and UM as
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  Speaker 1: culture has shifted, right as this love of basketball is evolved.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we need and want to be. We want
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  Speaker 1: our audience to reflect UM the kaleidoscope of colors of
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  Speaker 1: the globe that we touch and that our players visit. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, interesting thing about it because of the fact
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  Speaker 1: that the Globe charters do touch and they and they
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  Speaker 1: do uh, you know, they do tricks that uh and
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  Speaker 1: I say, you know, I'm gonna tall you saying the
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  Speaker 1: word trick at isn't it soul? They have a skill
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  Speaker 1: set that they developed, whether it was the half court
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  Speaker 1: hook shot or driven between the legs or the or
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  Speaker 1: the half court shots, which now when you see when
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  Speaker 1: you see what Steph Courage is doing, they were doing
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  Speaker 1: in the Global trial a long time ago. Okay, half
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  Speaker 1: court three point shots. That was probably that was part
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  Speaker 1: of the Global trots mantra of how their skill set
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  Speaker 1: and so what somebody some people have called tricks have
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  Speaker 1: not been become part of the NBA style of play
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  Speaker 1: the three point shot. And so so when you see
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  Speaker 1: that transition, in order for you to come in and
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  Speaker 1: be a part of this, you have to come from somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: You have to have build your reservate from somewhere. Sunny,
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  Speaker 1: So I saw Dolly Wood and talk about developing your
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  Speaker 1: brand walking through these different structures of success. And also
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  Speaker 1: you as an individual person of color, going in these
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  Speaker 1: different lanes where people expect you to be a certain
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  Speaker 1: way and you show them that you're able to relate
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  Speaker 1: and be able to communicate and market to all. T
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  Speaker 1: Tell to us, Sunny, who's hunt um So that flashing
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  Speaker 1: player of the game of basketball. So basketball runs deep
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  Speaker 1: in my roots. So my mom raised four kids. She
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  Speaker 1: was a big Larry Bird and Matthew Johnson's fans. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: And then, um, I grew up, you know, watching Michael
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  Speaker 1: Jordan's I was a big North Carolina fan when JR.
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  Speaker 1: Reid played like that was my squad. My husband as
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  Speaker 1: a basketball coach. My son plays basketball. He's in college,
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  Speaker 1: um playing basketball now. So I've been around basketball a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and I like to think that I'm an assistant coach basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Can you drivel a basketball? I got a meet crossover.
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  Speaker 1: When nobody's around, you can tell, I know, somebody start
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  Speaker 1: talking about it else. You know, everybody else there would
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  Speaker 1: say nothing about because you start bragging on yourself. First.
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  Speaker 1: Now I got a hood shot. I got a jumper
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  Speaker 1: from the corner. I gotta between the legs, I got
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  Speaker 1: around the back. You said nothing about yourself. You talk
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  Speaker 1: about your mama, you talk about your husband, you talk
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  Speaker 1: about your son. And you went, uh, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I and I'm a mean coach, that's right. I'm
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  Speaker 1: dope on the sideline. But you know I was actually
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  Speaker 1: I was a cheerleader. I was a cheerleader Tor high
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  Speaker 1: school and at Clark Atlanta University from a proud ah CLO.
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  Speaker 1: I know you had our presidents on the show recently.
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  Speaker 1: So I got to here and coach from the sideline
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  Speaker 1: for a long time. Right. So, UM, So my journey,
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  Speaker 1: my journey and as I built built out you know
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  Speaker 1: who I am is one part of it. I would
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  Speaker 1: say my time at a historically black college that Clark, Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: You know, our motto was find away or make one
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  Speaker 1: and that translated not just us in the classroom, but
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  Speaker 1: it really was in life. And it goes even beyond that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was you know, raised um, you know
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  Speaker 1: by my brothers, UM, who had sort of the mindset
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  Speaker 1: of like forge your path, know who you are and
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  Speaker 1: know who you ain't. UM, don't anyone that sort of
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  Speaker 1: doubts you or underestimates you under estimates you use that
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  Speaker 1: as fuel to drive your passions and be trusting and open.
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  Speaker 1: So God has been, you know, my guide of my
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  Speaker 1: life for me and my family. UM. For years we
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  Speaker 1: were those kids that are we'll be at church all day.
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  Speaker 1: We'd be there for uh Sunday school service as well
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  Speaker 1: as pot looks um. So we were in the church
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  Speaker 1: UM a lot. And so my faith is really important.
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  Speaker 1: So kind of what led me, um kind of on
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  Speaker 1: this path is I believe that nothing's in possible and
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  Speaker 1: I don't have this um over confidence, but I do
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  Speaker 1: believe in uh determination and hard work, So putting, putting
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  Speaker 1: in the extra hours and being okay and confident walking
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  Speaker 1: in the doors even if there's no one in that
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  Speaker 1: room that looks like you. UM. Being confident and trusting
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  Speaker 1: and open and who I am and what I'm capable
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  Speaker 1: of has really been one of the things that have
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  Speaker 1: driven me. When I went to the Dollywood company, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I was, you know, one of less than you know,
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  Speaker 1: five African Americans, and the management team I was one
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  Speaker 1: of two and leadership and it was such a special
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  Speaker 1: culture there. Um Dolly Pardon believed like we opened our
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  Speaker 1: doors at Dollywood to all people every day regardless, and
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  Speaker 1: the desire was, how do we create families experiences for
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  Speaker 1: families that are worth repeating regardless of what color you
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  Speaker 1: are and your background. Everybody's here for that, right, something
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  Speaker 1: that's meaningful, something that's special, something that's memorable. So that's
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  Speaker 1: really at the route I sort of know by why
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  Speaker 1: I know what my purpose is, and my purpose is
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  Speaker 1: to really help to influence people to just spend time together.
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  Speaker 1: And now the basketball that round ball has been uniting
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  Speaker 1: families and uniting people of all walks of life for decades.
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  Speaker 1: I got the rock and have the opportunity through the
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  Speaker 1: Globetrotters who have been trailblazers, who have been breaking down barriers,
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  Speaker 1: who with where society is and how racial injustice is
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  Speaker 1: like um truly at the forefront, a right has reached
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  Speaker 1: this pinnacle where there's zero tolerance from you know, our
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  Speaker 1: next generation. I'm able to help use basketball as a
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  Speaker 1: means to really deliver that message on behalf of our
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  Speaker 1: players and the Globetrotters way and what they've been doing
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  Speaker 1: for years. We know an interesting thing about it because
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  Speaker 1: you know, just trying to put the right rods in perspective,
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  Speaker 1: just to send my point of view when the court,
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  Speaker 1: because the Global Charter brand is like court gestures, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they think they're having a good fund and sometimes they're
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  Speaker 1: having a good time in front of white people. And
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  Speaker 1: then when the when the George Floyd hit and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just sure there was a perception and maybe it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a perception of how what role does the does
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  Speaker 1: the Globe Charters play in turning that corner of what
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  Speaker 1: who are they speaking for and what brand or what
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  Speaker 1: culture are they trying to represent? And you looked at
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  Speaker 1: and say, hey, we are a black brand, we are
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  Speaker 1: a black culture, and social justice has to be part
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  Speaker 1: of the messaging. Was that a difficult spin? Was it
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  Speaker 1: a difficult spin for your players to understand? Or your
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  Speaker 1: player felt it was a breath of fresh air when
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  Speaker 1: you introduced these new ideas or these new cultural changes
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  Speaker 1: to the to the Hall and Gold Because Hall and
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  Speaker 1: Gold problems are what they are there, their basketball phenomens
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  Speaker 1: male and female. But the end, what are they off
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  Speaker 1: the court? That's what I believe, that's the story you're
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  Speaker 1: trying to tell now, correct, Absolutely, the Home of Glowtrotters
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  Speaker 1: players are super heroes both on and off the court.
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  Speaker 1: And any player that you speak to and they talk
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  Speaker 1: about the legacy of the shoulders in which they stand on,
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  Speaker 1: of the great curly news and the metal arc limits,
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  Speaker 1: of of the sweetly dunbars, of you know, their desire
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  Speaker 1: to just spread love. Um this idea of spreading game,
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  Speaker 1: of being that phenomenal player, that athlete on the court,
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  Speaker 1: but really being that um hero, that inspiration, that motivation
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  Speaker 1: off the court. And I think that's something that hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been seen of Well, what are the Harlem Glotrotters like
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  Speaker 1: outside of the jersey, because that's where the personal bond,
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  Speaker 1: right is made. That's how us with people find our heroes,
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  Speaker 1: find our stars, find those you know, individuals that we
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  Speaker 1: look up to. It's who you are inside and outside
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  Speaker 1: the jersey. We have your superhero strength going and when
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  Speaker 1: you don't. And that's really been the focus and sort
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  Speaker 1: of the y and the y. Now, our purpose of
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  Speaker 1: the glow Cutters is world class basketball showmanships, uniting families
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  Speaker 1: and spreading joy. And we've lost our relevance and our
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  Speaker 1: ability to do that as culture has evolved. You sort
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  Speaker 1: of said it, we've been these basketball thing ums, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of considered right, you know, these these tricks um
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  Speaker 1: that they do and this experience that they create. We've
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  Speaker 1: had some fans for decades, but we've had people that
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  Speaker 1: are also saying, are the glow Cutters still around? Right? So? Right,
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  Speaker 1: and that just hurts, right, that hurts. So we want
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  Speaker 1: to reach that younger eight to ten year old African
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  Speaker 1: American boy and his parents and if we start to
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  Speaker 1: look at that, because they're there's some and with um
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  Speaker 1: basketball culture. Basketball basketball is anonymous with styles um and
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  Speaker 1: the Halo effect. That African Americans have one culture on brands,
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  Speaker 1: on businesses. Um we believe that is going to appeal
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  Speaker 1: and draw the next generation of fans. So the elephant
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  Speaker 1: in the room, people ask what that means. You don't
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  Speaker 1: want Caucasian families. You know, the family have been who
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  Speaker 1: loved the Globe Trotters and have always loved the Globe Trotters.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want them as fans anymore, Absolutely not, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: This is really an it's an and not an ore
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  Speaker 1: and it's important for us to open ourselves up to
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  Speaker 1: be relevant in the culture so that we can see
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  Speaker 1: that a hundred hundreds of year anniversary and we have
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  Speaker 1: generations coming up that love the Globetrotters in the same
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  Speaker 1: way that those from the past. It's finally here the
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  Speaker 1: season of celebration. And no matter how you celebrate with
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  Speaker 1: family and friends, whether you're preparing for Reis magos or
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  Speaker 1: Karamu lighting the Manura, are going to midnight mass, Coals
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  Speaker 1: and their fans, and that's what you're saying. You're not
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  Speaker 1: in your mind isn't working. Wow, we're at the beginning
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  Speaker 1: um in a bold way and we are touching every
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  Speaker 1: been the cornerstone of our business. But really we're re
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: evolving the Globe Hotter to a branded entertainment company that
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  Speaker 1: also tours. So if our fans want to engage and
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  Speaker 1: to be entertained, well, that's where gonna be apparel and
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  Speaker 1: product UM. If that's what they used to sort of identify,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the brands that share the same value, right
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  Speaker 1: that they that mean something to them, we want to
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  Speaker 1: be in those spaces and places as well. That's why
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  Speaker 1: a black uniform, you know. With the red, white and
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  Speaker 1: blue we partnered with Undergrown UM. Dustin Candlin and Carrie
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  Speaker 1: Crews are just fantastic lifestyle designers to really modernize but
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  Speaker 1: maintain the tradition that you know. So that's that is
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  Speaker 1: what we've done in terms of looks. So is it working.
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  Speaker 1: I think one of the response in the engagement that
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  Speaker 1: We are just ramping up. We have brands that are
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  Speaker 1: that's the Once we start to see that, then we
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  Speaker 1: know that it is really crystallizing. But um, right now,
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  Speaker 1: the early indicators are fantastic, but we are just getting started.
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  Speaker 1: I referred to us as we're nine year old startups.
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  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm happy to be there with you. Now.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned something Clark Atlanta University and the HBCU that
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  Speaker 1: this is in the heart of Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia. I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing an event over there, uh September twenty fifth called
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  Speaker 1: HBCU College Day, and uh it's on the campus. And
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  Speaker 1: what I'm doing is I'm bringing all the hbc used
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  Speaker 1: from a state of Georgia and some are coming from
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  Speaker 1: Alabama and from North Carolina. And I got the I
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  Speaker 1: got there, I got Morgan Stanley, I got some I
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  Speaker 1: got the Big Brothers, big sisters, I got the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: the Coke Bottom United, Coca Cola, United Bottlers involved. And
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  Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do is be in all the
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  Speaker 1: high school students to come in. You know, we're doing
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  Speaker 1: social distance in My mascot will be available, Sanitizer will
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  Speaker 1: be available to come to Clark Atlanta University to get
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  Speaker 1: the HPCU experience. We're gonna have DJ there, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have staffers, we're gonna have drama lines, and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have speakers, and I think it'll be a perfect and
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna have a man d J. Mars is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be spending. He's gonna have a BMX bike shop set up.
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  Speaker 1: And then the military is gonna have an actual F
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  Speaker 1: sixteen jet there and the hangar there and and we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have the Air Force there there, National Guard there.
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  Speaker 1: I just think, you know, when you said Clark Atlanta
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  Speaker 1: University and alumni and you're the vice president of marketing,
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  Speaker 1: I think I gotta have a global trial there, at
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: least as a representative showing off this new uniform. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put no pressure on you, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing about clarking that universal. But I'd
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  Speaker 1: be remiss if I didn't tell y'are doing the big
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  Speaker 1: events uptem in tween the fifth that the whole city
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  Speaker 1: is gonna know about. In a couple of weeks, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna start advertising on all the radio stations. I just
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  Speaker 1: think that'd be cool to ready to bring that brand
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  Speaker 1: down there, just to showcase it, just in a very
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  Speaker 1: organic manner, because it's on the campus where you are from,
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  Speaker 1: you graduated from, and we are trying to just bring
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  Speaker 1: the HPCU experience to all the students in the state
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  Speaker 1: of Georgia. High school students and young juniors and seniors
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  Speaker 1: who attend Clark Atlanta Spellman and all of they can
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  Speaker 1: get Fortune five hundred job. But companies are going to
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  Speaker 1: be their recruiting. We're gonna have HBC college recruiters and
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  Speaker 1: military recruiters. So that's what HBCU College Day. I just
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  Speaker 1: I just want to just bring that up to you
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  Speaker 1: and say hey, and invite is on your desk right
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  Speaker 1: now to come down there with your with your with
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  Speaker 1: your troop or one or two of them, however you
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  Speaker 1: want to do it, because I think it would be special,
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  Speaker 1: fantastic U. As we said Clark Atlanta, we will find
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  Speaker 1: away or make one good good because, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: because we're because I'll be hosting it. I will host it,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and we're gonna have a stage wointed by
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  Speaker 1: forty foot stage and we'll be sitting there doing our things.
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  Speaker 1: It's just gonna be really great. And you know, Dr
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  Speaker 1: Frenchhip probably going to me there. He's the president of
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  Speaker 1: Clark Atlanta University. We've developed a really nice relationship. But
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  Speaker 1: it's about your brand and bringing it into natural relationships.
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  Speaker 1: And and I just thought of at least I'll be
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  Speaker 1: remiss if I didn't bring it up, because I think
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  Speaker 1: that when you said you certain smile and certain pride
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  Speaker 1: came out of you when you said Clark Atlanta University.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. We can't help it. We can't help it.
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  Speaker 1: And we I mean partnerships with HBCUs UM, especially as
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  Speaker 1: we sort of look across our business. UM, we want
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  Speaker 1: to again with our staff, with our team to sort
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  Speaker 1: of reflects again the audience that we want to serve.
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  Speaker 1: So how we start to look and recruit and look
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  Speaker 1: at developing programs with HBCUs the right to sort of
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  Speaker 1: how what are some of the opportunities within live entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: live events, touring, the touring industry that the students might
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  Speaker 1: even know don't know exists for them. So cultivating those
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  Speaker 1: relationships are all about it. We're developing a certificate program
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: with Savannah State that is for UM Live Events, UM
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  Speaker 1: and Entertainment to really start to teach the coursework. So
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  Speaker 1: whether you want to work at a venue you know,
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  Speaker 1: UM State Farm Arena, or you want to work on
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  Speaker 1: a traveling tour, you know like our Harlem glod Cutters tour.
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  Speaker 1: What does that look like, what's the skill set, what
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  Speaker 1: do you study? What's that curriculum? And then the desires
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  Speaker 1: and that thing gets rolled out of other HBCUs around
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  Speaker 1: the country. So we're excited about that partnership with Savannah
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  Speaker 1: State and any opportunity to get back to the campus,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all about it. Give your book and all this
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  Speaker 1: and all it brings the people down. Please know the
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  Speaker 1: you just gave me and your passion for developing that
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  Speaker 1: brand relationship with HBCUs it's where I'm at my life,
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  Speaker 1: you know, about trying to you know, just just stepping
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  Speaker 1: up our esp and a couple of years ago I
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  Speaker 1: David Roberts and allow me to broadcast the first take
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  Speaker 1: for two hours. And we've over the last couple of
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  Speaker 1: years we registered two thousand students to attend HBC US,
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  Speaker 1: raised eleven million dollars and scholarship dollars, and so I
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  Speaker 1: know that that's where that's one of my legacies. I'm
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  Speaker 1: building my life And just to hear you being a
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  Speaker 1: pro graduate, you know, I just had to bring that
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  Speaker 1: up and definitely off air, you know, I get my
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  Speaker 1: team to talk to your people because it's gonna be September.
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  Speaker 1: That's a Saturday, ten a m. The SPM, and I
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  Speaker 1: definitely like to see the Hall of Growth Chrolds down there.
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  Speaker 1: But before we go, two things I wanted to talk
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  Speaker 1: NBA there be Happy too. So our Spread Game Tour
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: as we relaunched the Globetrotters, we started touring in July
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  Speaker 1: and we're visiting several cities around the country. It's everything
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  Speaker 1: that you love about the Globetrotters um and been some
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: so that flash and player of the game. It is entertaining.
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  Speaker 1: You're gonna see that the skillfulness of our players. We
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: partnered with um some folks from Broadway, so that was
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  Speaker 1: one of the gifts for us when our business came
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  Speaker 1: to a screention hall during the pandemic, was Broadways it too,
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  Speaker 1: and we wanted to reimagine what our show experience was.
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  Speaker 1: So we partner with the Broadway team. So there's some
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: new characters that you'll meet. I kind of describe it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like UM an All Star Saturday Night where you
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: see that incredible deep range shooting, dunks that are out
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  Speaker 1: of this world, and the ball handling and some beautiful
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• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you like that, if you put those scenes together, that's
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  Speaker 1: what they're gonna get in the Spread Game tour. The
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  Speaker 1: music is just fantastic. It's just a good time. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll continue touring through September. Will be announcing some additional
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: dates for the tour that will be coming later this year,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: so that will be coming um so uh though we're
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: going to take a time out and touring in September
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: just to kind of amp up the show and experience
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and and and get ready for a second run that's
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: gonna start in um In in December is when the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: next set of dates will become into several cities around
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  Speaker 1: So we talked about this at the start. The NBA
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  Speaker 1: And we think that UM, it'll bring justice win win
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  Speaker 1: for the NBA as well as fans that you know,
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  Speaker 1: some of that globe hotter style. UM of bringing that
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  Speaker 1: into the the NBA experience would be just fantastic. We
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  Speaker 1: response from fans have just been fantastic and we really
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  Speaker 1: oldie's music. You know, I don't know what the oldies
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: go to a new edition or there's old school beyond
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: new editions, because oldie, it's how oldie, my oldie might
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: be different. She holds her master's in Fine Arts and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: created writing from the new school. She has made a
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: splash with her first novel, The Other Black Girl. It
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: sets in New York's publishing world. The psychological thriller incorporates
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: social commentary about diversity in the workplace and the challenges
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: black women often have to navigate. The Other Black Girl
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: was bid on by fourteen hear Me fourteen publishing offices
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: before landing a seven figure deal for her first dollar.
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  Speaker 1: So you probably wonder why she's smiling. That's why she
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: smiled the seventh figure deal. She's not smiling because she
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: likes from John McDonald. She smiled because she had a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: seven biggie deal and I know what that looks like.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And it's also said to become a big hit television
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: series on Hulu. That's another reason why she's smiling. And
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: uh written alongside Rashida Jones, which we don't Rishi Jones.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: That's Quincy Jones daughter, very talented actress. She's on the
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: show to discuss building your dream please work with money
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: making conversation Zakia Zakia, Delila Harris, How are you doing?
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: I'm doing great with that introduction you just gave me.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: It was a little fun worked into that because of
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the fact that you know, we should be happy. We should.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: You're you're You're that age they call a millennial age,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: you know, and you know your jumped out there and
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: you put to use work in another job. And why
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: did you leave your job to introduce yourself in the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: world of a novelist? Yeah, well, you know, I gotta
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: say I have loved writing since I was five, or
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: maybe even before then, whenever I first learned how to write.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: So I've always wanted to be a writer. My dad
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: is a writer as well, so very early on I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: saw that as a possible career trajectory for me. Um,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: and as I got older, I kept writing. UM kind
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of realized I'd have to do other things also because
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: it's hard to be a writer, hence publishing. But I
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: also loved breaking with writers and talking about structure and
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: writing on a micro level. So all of those things
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: kind of led me here. But ultimately for me, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: after a couple of years of of working and publishing,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I just knew I couldn't work on my own writing
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: if I was putting myself into other authors. So I
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: was like, you know what, let me just invest in this,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: see it through, um leave this permanent well paid, well
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: not well paying, but paying, and help stop yes, in
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: New York and trying to figure this out and it
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: worked out. Well, let's let's slow it down a little bit.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Because you know your novelists, and you're saying that you
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: were watching other people's work. Did that help you? Did
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: that allow you to see? You know, because a lot
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of books you published, a lot of published don't get sold. Okay,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: we know that for a fact. So and being a
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: person who getting to see and being able to critique
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: and being able to discuss work with other other people
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: in your position, what did you learn from that? Oh? Absolutely,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that was that was huge for me, um being on Well,
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: first of all, I should say before I went into publishing,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I did my fee and nonfiction writing, so I was
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: very used to having people, um critique my my world
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: and my life. I was literally writing personal essays about
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: my own insecurities and my own questioning of you know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: who I was and where I'm from from Connecticut, um,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: so all of those things. Having eyes in my work
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: and that way helped, and then being eyes on someone
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: else's work character when I was working editorial, because yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: you're so right, Like, there are so many great stories
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: out there that never get a publisher for various reasons,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and there are so many hurdles, um. And I was
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: aware of all of those things. But I also thankfully
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: knew how to navigate this world and knew all of
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: the steps that go into it. And I know for
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: me that was really empowering to be able to be like, Okay,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: here is the function that an agent is supposed to have.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: I want to find the right person who will represent
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: me and be someone who is understanding what I'm trying
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: to do and advocate for me in the way that
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I need to be advocated for. It also allows me
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to advocate for myself, you know what I mean? At Um,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm speaking with the author of the very popular book
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: The Other like Girl is Gonna become a television serious
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: or Hulu Zakia Zaki. When you talk about writing, what
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: makes a good writing? You know what writer or what
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: makes a good storyteller? Because I just look background on me.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I'm I started out in Hollywood. It's a sitcom writers series,
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: like Sister Sister, I'm gonna come to go Oldie's on you.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: You know, that's me, sister sister Jamie Foxx. You know Parenthood,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the Parker, that was me, that was big and so,
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: and that was a different style of writing. And now
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and I we are not in the same class, okay,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: because it's your storytelling that you're doing. Allows you to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: even talk about looking at the thread and your clothing
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: as you talk about you at the beginning of the book,
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and looking over your shoulders. It comes you
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: go to the joke, you go to the moment, Go
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: to the joke, go to the moment. But in your world,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: because I have a lot of listeners who want to
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: be writers or who want to get their stuff published,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: material published, what makes a good story writer or storyteller?
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: And what is good writing? Mm? That's that's a good question. Um.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I think it depends on who the person is. But
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I know for me, uh, being just engaged in the world.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: UM was really helpful. UM. I love people watching. I
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: also love meeting new people. I've worked a lot of
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: jobs that required me to talk to people very different
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: backgrounds from me. UM, and just understanding people or trying
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to understand people. I think that both such a long
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: way when you were trying to write a story. UM.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I would also say reading, just reading makes a good storyteller. UM.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I was really into reading as a kid, and I
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: will say, like I kind of fell off in high
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: school because I was required to read a lot of
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: things that I didn't want to have to read. UM.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: But I did find other writers. In college I took
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I majored in English literature, so I was also taking
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: classes on a Russian literature class I took a class
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and Black literature, a lot of which I'd never heard of.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Authors that I've never been introduced to in high school,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: like Nikki Giovarmy and and um Bell Hooks and so
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: all of those kind of things. I think that comes
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: with being introverted UM, but also being extroverted UM as
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: much as possible. It's it's hard now, I think, especially
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: this is the world is where it is you used
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the word introverted. I'm looking at you now, we was introversion.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I would just make up a word. We was introversion
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: in your life. Okay, I'm saying this very your beautiful
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: smile you and I have to say the word magnetic personality.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And I've just seen you on a screen zoom screen there.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: So when did introverted party become five years old? Six years?
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It wasn't recent, It was not recent. Okay, talk to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: me about that turned that you just threw out in
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: front of the in the middle of this interview. You know,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I am pretty I call myself an introverted extrovert. Where
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I was like, let me get the order, because I
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: am I am someone who um I mean, this isn't
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: necessarily an introvert, but I am someone who is in
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: my head a lot. And that helped me with this
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: book because Nella is in her head all the time,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and it could be hard to be in her head.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you want to get out. And that's why I
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: had the other characters partly, um and why we see
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: her in her her world with Malaca outside of the
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: suppressive environment. Um So, so I'd say that's that's where
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and I can also be shy, and I can also
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: kind of sometimes takes me time or especially as a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: younger person. But this is something now that I am
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: an author and I do have this platform unfortunate enough
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: to have the space to speak on certain things. Um.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: But I know when I was in publishing starting out,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I just went with the flow, um and felt like
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: that was what I had to do because I was
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: one of very few people there and I felt just
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: lucky to be there. Well, you know, luck and talent.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be real. You know, I'm talking to the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: you know, the other black girl. That's top book New
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: York Times best Selling out, the best selling book, name,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: most anticipated book of twenty one by Time Magazine, The
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Washington Post, Heralded Harper's Bizarre, Heralded Entertainment Weekly, Bustle, BuzzFeed, Parade,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: good Reads, Fortune, and BBC. They've they've described your book
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: as get Out meets the Devils, where it's proud of
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and this. You know, that's their version of it. You know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: My version of the book was that I've worked in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: a corporate environment, uh and uh where I was maybe
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the one of the few blacks in the on the floor,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: great working environment because they it was our diversity. It
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: was diversified. So I wasn't like this character who was
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: hoping and wishing that they would see somebody like them.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Just somebody walked through the door. They can be there
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: so she can communicate and feel a sense of wholeness
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and that that really is the core of the story. Now,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: when you start developing a story like this, to kill
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: what said it to your mind? Because like you said,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: you're in your head and this story is kind of uh.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I want to use the word Stephen King type or
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Jordan's Peel type. So because I want to go back
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit, because you your reference, you reference Twilight Zone.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: You ever lost stuff my age? You know what I'm saying.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You reach the old music. You mentioned a green in
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: your book, and you gotta One of your character's name
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: is Hazel. I don't know nor your person name Hazel.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. I don't know no
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: millennial name Hazel. Now my age, I went to your
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: school with a girl named Hazel, so I know that's
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: an old name. So let's talk about being in your
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: head and the fun the fundness of these characters. They're
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: fully fleshed out, and the process of coming together and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: laying out that this book became so participated and not
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: playing out as a well read novel and eventually will
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: be a television series on Who the Floor Is yours misintrovert. Well,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I first got to say, um, Hazel, the name comes
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: from UM, one of my Well, I'm just gonna say
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: my favorite aunts. I'm doing your old name. I told you,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: thank you. And she was just such a wonderful, wonderful soul,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: wonderful human. Um always cut everybody baby, and I just
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: love the name. And so I was like, I want
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: to write a character who's has this name. So that's
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: actually where a people came from. I let you brought
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: that up, But yeah, I mean so when I first
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: started writing this story, I had just the simple idea
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: of Nella and Hazel, and something's messed up about Hazel.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was going to be. I
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: just knew that they were going to have a hard
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: time because of this environment that is very white and
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: made up of a lot of white people who are
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: constantly watching them and assuming what their relationship is going
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: to be like. And then that on top of what
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Nella's whos the relationship is going to be like, because
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: she has this whole idea of like, oh, we're both natural,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: we're both in this space. We must have had similar experiences,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: we must have a similar outlook on being black in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: this space. But we don't all think the same thing.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: We all have an opinions, and not everybody is out
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: there to help everybody else, And everyone has their own
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: kind of boundaries and their own idea of code switching,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: their own idea of selling out, if I may say, um,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: and what makes those things different, if there is anything,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And so all of those are things with nell and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Hazel that I was thinking about, and then specifically in
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: terms of Nella because for me, while I was working
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: in book publishing and just in general too, PEO pull
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: in my past who have also gone through these things.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: So I talked to my dad, who worked in a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: corporate environment in the nineties in New York. I've talked
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to um other people in publishing who worked in publishing
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: years before it is what it is now and their experiences.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So I felt like with Nella, there needed to be
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: this beacon and the way that Tony Morrison was for
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: me working in book publishing because she had also worked
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: in editorial once spint a time, I knew Nella would
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: have that beacon as well, and it came in the Diana.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the book. You know, I've Unfortunate,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: which the Harvey uh three number one best selling books,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and that word number one is really and then not
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: just a word, that's a powerful word. And uh I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: remember the first book, Act Like You Think Like a Man,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: which eventually was sold more than three million copies and
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: also was translated in thirty different language, which I'm sure
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: this book is being translated as we speak, if it
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: hasn't already been done. Um, going in and senior book, okay,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: in a store or at the airport, let's talk about that,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: because I know I used to go in the store.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: I should look, Oh that is Steve there. We just
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: joke around and I take my book his book and
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: move it up and move it around, you know, going
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: to a store, you know, and say, hey, why is
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: this book back there? Do you know? Do you know
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: the author named Steve Harvey? You know it's a comedian.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Has this a little book called Thinking Like? Talk us
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: about that, because that's so much fun, you know, because
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: you work real hard and you're covered clearly as as
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: a statement covered the other black girl talk about that
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: part of it, and then a lot your family to
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: experience going out there and seeing it on the shelves
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that part has been so cool. It's
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: been so cool, I mean because you imagine what it's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: going to be like and you just can't possibly know.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: And to go into the store and see this cover
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: that UM had, yeah, I mean, the the best possible
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: story behind the cover, because I know it is hard
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: out there, especially for black authors to get that representation
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: UM in the cover itself. And so for me, when
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: I was writing this book, I knew, of course going
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: into it that as an author, you you do have
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: a say, but depending on your contract, you can only
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: say so much and at the end of the day,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: your team the publisher has a lot more say generally, UM.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: But when I went in to those cover conversations, I
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: knew I wanted to have a black artist designed the cover.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: And my Asian and I sat down and we created
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: a list of black artists that we found on Instagram
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: online and one particular author UM was Emmy Coker and
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: he is a Nigerian born artistic belief and he created
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: this gorgeous piece of artwork for UM Twitter's June team
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: last year. It's called and basically this image of the cover.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: It's a little different, but the thing I loved about it,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I mean royalty a profile view of her. You see her,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: she was looking legal. Um. And you also have that
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: earring which is an Afro pick with our black power fist,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: which is the kind of pick that I actually got
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the first time I went natural a few years ago.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: And it's also a pick that my dad happened to
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: have growing up back when we at hair still. So hey,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: don't be laughing at your dad and me. Okay, okay,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I had the pig. Now I had the pig. We
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: just liked me the same age summer right now. My
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: dad is like, um, but the fact that you know,
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: this artwork happened. And my designer, who Jimmy Akabelly, who
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: is at TERM and Schuster, took that design and man
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: in this cover, and the artist of course was so
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: lovely about it too. Tommy Cooker was like, absolutely, we
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: need more black women authors. UM excited to be a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: part of it. And this is all connected to the pick.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: It just felt so right and it's so exciting to
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: me that young black people will go into the store,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: go into Walmart, into that independent bookstore, Barnes and Noble,
• 52:39
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• 52:43
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  Speaker 1: love it. And it's a blessing to see that happened.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, when I when I look at the
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  Speaker 1: genres like this to go into that horror, it was
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  Speaker 1: several years ago when you saw horror. On horror movie,
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  Speaker 1: we always in a black character. You always do the
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  Speaker 1: black character is gonna die first. You always say that
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  Speaker 1: was just running Joe, the black character's gonna die for.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what that brother, Oh we got paid
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  Speaker 1: he did that clone. But the other black girl. You know,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: it combines all these extraordinary genres. Is a dark comedy,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: it's horror as a thriller. That plays with your mind
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: is science fiction and more. How were you able to
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: mix all these the same blend them all together comfortably?
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  Speaker 1: Because one thing I wanted to say this about you,
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  Speaker 1: it's the kid, is that you are so descriptive in
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: your writing. I mean, it's it's very d tell and
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  Speaker 1: it's which allows me to really visualize the moment of
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  Speaker 1: the scene that you're trying to create, which is a
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  Speaker 1: gift in itself, and I feel that's what really kind
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  Speaker 1: of got everybody excited because they could feel your experience.
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  Speaker 1: They could almost smell your experience and also could emotionally
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  Speaker 1: be engaged in your experience from the description of the
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  Speaker 1: hair or the big ear rings when y'are laughing together
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  Speaker 1: or sitting at the accounting the sun coming through you
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  Speaker 1: mean you even you even wrote bawled up the paper,
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  Speaker 1: the paper and threw it into the trash. Even you
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  Speaker 1: even wrote that in your in your in your language
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  Speaker 1: of your book, and it was like, Wow, she is
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  Speaker 1: really really on point here talk about weaving all those
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  Speaker 1: things together. And that's a strong compliment because, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: that's something I can't do, and that's a gift and
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  Speaker 1: the blessing that you have Oh, I really appreciate that
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  Speaker 1: so much. Um. Yeah, I mean for me blending everything,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stay with it because it took a
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  Speaker 1: lot of eyes on my work. It took um people
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  Speaker 1: that I met during my god school days. It took
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  Speaker 1: my dad, it took my agent and my editor, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people. Um. But for me it was easy
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. It's just in the sense
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  Speaker 1: of knowing that's what I wanted to do, because I
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  Speaker 1: do feel like so much of the Black experience is
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  Speaker 1: often humor and fun and joy, but then also there's
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  Speaker 1: like a bitterness that we have to often navigate through,
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  Speaker 1: and there's a horrifying nature, especially just as Black people.
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  Speaker 1: Day to day you get up and see the news,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: see what's happening to us, and then have to go
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  Speaker 1: to work or create, and how do you manage all
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: of those things. It's it's horrified, and so really getting
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: that down and showing what was mistake for Nella's experiences,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: but also speing Nella having fun, showing her living her
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  Speaker 1: full life outside of work, that was that was really
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  Speaker 1: crucial part of the writing process for me. And I
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: guess that doesn't really answer your question, but well, answers
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: my question the sense that you are. You know, I
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: won't to say all over the place, but with the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: system story proper storytelling, because I had to be able
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: to you know, like I said, I could relate to
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: her insecurities because there were This book is tied to insecurities.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: It's because she's pushed along and some of the flaws
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: that pop out of some of the states she get
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: into a tied to taking bad suggestions or suggestion that
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: she shouldn't, that she should like leave with her first thought,
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: and then it just stumbles and it just starts unraveling.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: And that's just the part of it that really catches
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  Speaker 1: your eye, makes it relatable because we all have been there.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm talking to the author of the incredible
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: book The Other Black Girls, the Other Black Girl, the
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: New York Times best seller names because it's the kid.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, I mentioned her name earlier on
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  Speaker 1: Rashida Jones Uh. And the book is being um and
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: she gonna start in the or she's gonna take an
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  Speaker 1: executive producer role in the Hulu series that the book
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  Speaker 1: is being adapted for. Yeah, we're still in the early stages, UM,
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  Speaker 1: but right now we are co writing the pilot UM episode.
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  Speaker 1: We have been you know, talking a lot over the
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: last year now, I guess well, um, just about the
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: shape UM outline, how the characters are going to be
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: different in the show versus the and what we do
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: want to keep because the conversations about blackness and diversity
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: have changed, that's in the last year. So exploring that
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and how to make your show feel as relevant as
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: it could be feeling at the time, that's that's been
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: really interesting and fun because again also we all have
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the ideas of just progress in the best way to
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  Speaker 1: purvey those insecurities. You mentioned those anxieties and called those
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  Speaker 1: things UM because I come from from very different backgrounds. Instead,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: we have worked so well together and she's just wonderful
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: and took me under her way. That's been the most amazing.
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  Speaker 1: I would tell you this is the key. You know, Yes,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: there have been a lot of outward changes, okay, but
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: it hasn't changed. Okay. So that's why your book was
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: very relatable. So don't try to don't try to fit
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: it in because you know, no, no, no, actually gotten
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: more instidious this idea of UM, you know, especially with
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the Twitter, the performative aspect of what we saw last
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: year in company, being like, oh yeah, we're whatever now
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: actually got me even maybe worse. That's maybe a little
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, because it's a brilliant book. Before
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I lead, I wanted to teach you about you know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: this old soul, this drifting inside your head, this introverted
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: head here, you know, the Twilight Zone references. I'm going like,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: really really try so this she references old music and
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. Talk about you in general. So you
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: seem so relatable, you see, like a genuine person that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I could really and continually talk to and laugh at it.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I can take you the comedy club and might ask
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you for a day, said, I could take you to
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: a comedy collectn tak your a jazz concert. I can
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: take you to a Frankie, Beverly and May's concert, that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: type of thing. Yes, look at that. And so I
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: just feel that this book allows you to have those
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: those levels and the credibility and writing it So is
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: that was that tied to just your upbringing, your parents
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: putting the music on. Talk about you mentioned your aunt Hazel,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: one of the characters is named after that. Talk about
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: that and also telling writers how like you said, read
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: a lot, read a lot, read a lot, but also
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: about sharing your honest story lifestyle in this book and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: to be animated, authentic correct. Definitely. Well, the music thing
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  Speaker 1: absolutely comes from my parents. I up so many kinds
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: of music in the household, mostly I mean on my
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: dad's side, I had Aretha Franklin, I had Jerry Butler
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: and the Spinners, all of the fifties, sixties, seventies, um,
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• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I had um a lot of Jackson five and a
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: lot of um different artists, I mean Rod Stewart too.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Like I also come from a very diverse music background
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: as well, So that was really fun to play on
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: and reference people who would catch those africaces. So I appreciate, yes, um,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I think making sure when you are writing
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: your story, just don't worry too much about what's coming
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: down the line. I mean, of course you're going to
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  Speaker 1: I know I did, and I was kind of sometimes
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: I fell into those hools of like, oh, well, if
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I keep it in the publishing world and you know,
• 1:01:57
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  Speaker 1: I get too much into the kitchen of this black
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