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Empowering Your Inner Journey: Grounding Techniques, Vibrational Practices, And Self-Realization On The Path Of Spiritual Growth With Kathleen Israel · Mindful You

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Alan Carroll: Hello, everybody. And welcome back to the mindful
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U podcast. As we traveled together, into the realms of
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mindfulness, by meeting fellow travelers on the path, who share
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their stories share the critical events that altered their
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perception that opened up portals and awareness into this
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transcendental state of consciousness that we refer to
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as, as mindfulness. Today, today's guest, Kathleen
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Donnelly, Israel born and raised in San Diego, California Family
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was raised their family before that generation before that. So
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she has deep roots to this area of the United States. Kathleen
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shares her journey. And what you would refer to it as definitely
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an uphill kind of experience, not a downhill easy kind of
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experience, a lot of emotional suffering, physical suffering,
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and a lot of issues that she had to deal with. And she was able
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to create a transformational experience even though the
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environment that she was in could easily have taken her down
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a path of, of not that enlightened way more of a
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victim. And that's the way it is, that's the way it's gonna
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be. And she was able to pop through that experience in
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reaching a state of consciousness. That is very,
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very, very clear. And at the end of the podcast, she described
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some of the healing techniques that she uses. That was just
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Wow, very, very, very, very sweet to hear, and also
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wonderful to practice. So please welcome to the mindful you
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podcast. Kathleen Donnelly, Israel. Hello, Kathleen,
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welcome. How you podcast. How are you today?
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Kathleen Israel: I'm good. I'm happy to be here.
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Alan Carroll: Well, I understand you, you live out in California.
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Kathleen Israel: Yep. I've lived here all my life.
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Alan Carroll: Really? Well. You're born and raised in
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California, in San Diego. Right. Well, so you have deep roots in
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San Diego. You
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Kathleen Israel: wouldn't believe how deep the roots are
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that I have. My some of my family came to build the Hotel
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Del Coronado and yeah, my my husband's family. Were the
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lighthouse keepers out at Cabrillo National Monument, the
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lighthouse out there. So we're an old San Diego family on both
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sides.
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Alan Carroll: Wow. So you go back a couple of generations.
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Right? Wow. That's, that's, I bet. You know, we're in the
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mindfulness business, you know, of conversations and building
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our, our, our mindfulness muscles. And I always I always
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had the thought that there's something about having deep
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roots, which gives you some sort of mental motional stability.
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Especially when times changing. And I'm wondering if that's your
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experience Kathleen have out there in California for
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generations.
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Unknown: Yeah, it's, it's really nice to just know you're going
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when you're on the freeway and stuff like that, you know, when
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I go visit my kids in Texas, I'm like, Ah, where am I went to
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eighth north. And here in San Diego, the oceans, the oceans on
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the west end, the mountains are on the east. So you know,
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there's not much outstanding, Mexico south and you know, the
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rest of the US is north. Very good. But I think having a
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grounding technique, it's really good to no matter where you're
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at, you can just ground yourself. And I think that's
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really good. That
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Alan Carroll: when you ground yourself because grounding
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grounding is a is a major concept and mindfulness and
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presence is is being grounded. And so when you when you talk
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about grounded, it gives give the audience an experience or
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recommendations of how you can ground yourself, no matter where
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you are.
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Unknown: Wow, this is my grounding technique. My daughter
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doesn't like it. But anyway I, this is what i do i Okay, I sit
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quietly and I I imagined from my feet coming up through my body,
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a fountain going out my head. And then I imagine that again,
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only it's going out my arms. And then I imagine it again, I what
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I do is I take my heart, and I go down to my feet. And I bring
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that up through me. And I go up to God, in that way.
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Alan Carroll: I did it as you were, as you were talking, and
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it's a wonderful visualization.
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Unknown: And then I like to ground myself, I make my feet,
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my from my feet goes down into the earth. Oh, yeah. And then
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and then the earth comes up through me. That's the part my
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daughter doesn't like she said, she didn't like the earth inside
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her. So anyway, whatever.
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Alan Carroll: Well, I look at the Earth is Mother Earth. So
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then I came from Mother Earth, so I shouldn't be upset by
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Mother Earth. I liked the feeling of as you described it,
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there's there was a pattern to it. It wasn't just random. It
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was a pattern in which I, I know had the head and then the arms.
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And then then then we went, went to the heart, I believe and then
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down to the down to the feet then up again.
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Unknown: They heard up to God. Yeah, it's almost
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Alan Carroll: like I can see the cross in my, in my the
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Catholics, sometimes they have the cross of grounding
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themselves and anchoring themselves. Okay, so when you
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ground yourself wonderful technique, thank you for sharing
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it with us. I still have tingles from it by it. And how often do
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you use the technique? Is it something that you do regularly
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in order to use what's your experience of using the
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technique also?
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Unknown: Well, I actually do Theta Healing. And so I do it
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when I do Theta Healing. And then if, if I just want to go up
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to God, and I want to, I want to commune with God. That's how I
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do it. And, and then when I get up to God, I announce myself,
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I'm Kathleen. And then I, it's a technique, you know, like, if
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you want to be close to God, it's really good to have a high
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vibration in your body, and your spirit. And so I work on having
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a high vibration all the time. And then and then when I go up
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to God, I can get, I can get closer to God, I don't know, you
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know, this is just how I explained it. Because when I
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have a low vibration, God has a very high vibration. And it's,
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it's like hard for me to get up there with my low vibration. So
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I try and keep my vibration high.
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Alan Carroll: As you speak, an image comes to my mind, and the
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images of the hot air balloon and the hot air balloon wants to
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go up. But there's two ways to make the hot air balloon go up.
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One way is more hot air. The second way is to throw the
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ballasts off. And the ballasts are the things you're holding on
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to. And so I would say that the low vibration folks are holding
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on to something which keeps them anchored. And a higher vibration
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means you're unloading stuff at some level of reality, making
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your lighter and lighter and lighter so you're not going to
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hurt yourself as your vibration intermingles with higher
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vibrations, you can't go from zero to 100 You got to go to
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2345. And so you it's not bad that you can't contact God from
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a low vibration you have to practice. Yeah, there has to be
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a practice Do you have a practice that you follow? And
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Unknown: I have different things that I do to raise my vibration.
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One of them is praise, like praise like Glory to God in the
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highest type of praise. I I knew this this lady. She was just
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kind of the age that she was older than my mother. She was my
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mother's babysitter when she my mother was a little girl and so
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was I was a woman already but I got to know her as an older
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woman. And she told me that she just writes down praise words
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all the time and she just wherever she is she goes out Oh
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praise God for this beautiful tree type of thing you know, and
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she has had this big long list of praise God stuff. And that
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really impressed meet you. And so I have now that now that I'm
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an older woman, I have time, you know, I'm not all busy with my
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children and stuff like that I have time to do stuff like that.
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So I, I went online and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna find all the
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praise songs. And so I went online, and it just seemed like
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all the praise songs were supplication. Or, you know,
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thanking, they weren't necessarily praise. Whereas
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gratitude is very powerful. Praise is more powerful, more
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higher vibration. And so I, what I did was I just went through
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all the songs and wrote the actual praise parts down. And so
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I, it's quite long, actually, it takes more than five minutes to
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listen to it at night, but I, I read it into my phone. At night,
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when I go to bed, I, I push my praise thing and listen to it.
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So
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Alan Carroll: is that something is that a link that can be
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created? So people could link it and get that that Rolodex of
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praise songs?
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Unknown: Um, well, you know what, it wasn't just the names
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of the songs, but the words in the songs. So I was just trying
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to think of what, what is actual praise. And so then I went to
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the songs, I went through the, you know, different parts of the
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Bible and found actual praise words. And I, yeah, I wrote them
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down. I don't know, I play it to myself, I, I am not a
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professional, you know, talker. The
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Alan Carroll: idea for me is I'm, I'm a, I'm a big fan of the
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Course of Miracles. I find that to be a very fast vehicle, to
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get you to that mindful state of consciousness. And, and one of
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the ways they describe things, is that what you what you paint,
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in your mind's eye, is projected out to the outer world. And it's
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the same. Yeah, and when when you in your mind's eye, I can't
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do it brings tears in my eyes, when you when you praise the
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Spirit of God, without you're praising the Spirit of God with
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it. But you have to give up. You have to give up your grievances.
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You got to give up your complaints about Yeah, without
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you have to practice forgiveness, as as a as a daily
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practice.
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Unknown: Speaking of forgiveness, I'm really into
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forgiveness. I'm so into forgiveness that I don't even
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feel like I need to forgive anybody anymore. Because well, I
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could tell you the story about I have this story that I don't
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know if God revealed it to me, or if I made it up. But anyway,
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I think it's true. And so I think that before I came in as a
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human, I was out in the universe with God and I was a low
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vibrational spirit. I had a low vibration, and I had heard, and
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I wanted to be close to God. And, and I had heard that if you
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go into the earth and be a human, you can actually raise
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your vibration by unconditional love. And so there I was, with
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this low vibration, and I decided to come in and even
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knowing that I would have parents that were really harsh,
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and, you know, my life was harsh when I was young. And so I came
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in anyway. I mean, it was, it was troubled from the get go.
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And just through my life, I was just a really sad person. And I
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didn't realize why I had come here. And so I just, you know, I
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just, you know, it's like, the worse it gets, the worse it
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gets. Because what you think about you bring about and if
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you're thinking about the sad stuff in your life, which is
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what my life was, then you just make more of it. And so,
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Alan Carroll: on to an important concept about cocoa say that
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couple of times there because that's a major insights. So
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please repeat it slowly so the audience can really savor it.
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Unknown: Um, I don't remember exactly. Right. So I, I wanted
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to raise my vibration. And I, when I got in here, I didn't
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remember that you don't remember. And so I was had a sad
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life. People were mean to me all my life. And the more the more I
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you know, the worse it gets, the worse it gets. So, if you're
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what you think about you bring about so I was thinking sad
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things all my life, you're thinking things in your mind.
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Yeah. And so I was bringing in sad happenings in my life.
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Because when you think about your bring about so that was
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that was what I did in my life. So
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Alan Carroll: did you figure out a way of changing your thinking?
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Unknown: Yeah, so Well, I remember when I was, you know, I
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was I always wanted to be close to God.
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Alan Carroll: I vote for that one. I imagined every everybody
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in the audience was for that one.
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Unknown: Yeah. And I, I used to tell my sad story to people. And
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some lady one time she asked me, why don't you make up a better
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story? And I said, well, it wouldn't be true. The fact is
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that all the sad story is just evidence of what I had brought
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into my life with my sad story. So So anyway, I am. Okay, so I
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married Ron Israel. Wonderful man. And you know, and I just
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attracted all the terrible stuff from this poor man. And and so
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he got Parkinson's disease, and I had to care for him. He got it
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in 2001. And he died in 2018. So the first 10 years, he was okay,
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he could move could do stuff. But in 2010, he, he couldn't
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move on his own anymore, and he couldn't talk anymore. And so,
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from 2010 to 2018, I was his total caregiver. And so I had to
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be home, right? And so I used to, in the evening, go in and
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listen to healers online. And I, I really believe that God led me
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to my healers online. I would Darius bear Zonda, he has
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healers on his show. And so I would go on there. And I would
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like buy their program or something. And then I would do
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the work. And then after a while, it got not interesting
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anymore. And God would send me another one. And then I would
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study their stuff. And so what I think what's happening is God
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was raising my vibration a little bit at a time. And so
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when I, when I learned all that stuff from that healer, then my
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I had been raised up to the top of their teaching, and God would
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send me another one. And so through that time, I found out
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how, how to be happy. And what was wrong with my thinking. It
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didn't realize that worrying is like, making up a sad story. And
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then believing in it, and going with it. And in reality, there's
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endless possibilities. So, you know, that's
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Alan Carroll: the rest. Wonderful. That's that's, that's
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really as sweet as sweet sounds you made. They're very, very
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sweet. Making it up. Very nice.
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Unknown: Yeah, we do. And we could make up a good story. And
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the fact is that when we make up these sad stories about the
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people we love, we're actually cursing them by sending bad
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vibrations in their way, which is the if they're doing
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something exciting, and maybe we would perceive as dangerous, but
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it's what's there for them in their life. And if we think bad
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things, we're not helping them out at all. If we could make up
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a good story for them and and send them good vibrations. And
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in order
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Alan Carroll: to do that, you have to sort of realize that the
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first thing that you were going to send to them probably is not
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the healthiest thing to do. So I'm going to go to another thing
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that I'm going to send to them and this one is packaged in love
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and and so it's the ability to catch yourself before you before
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you pull the trigger on the on the reaction and then come over
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here then have the higher vibration choice About for the
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high for the sake of the higher, you have to give up those lower
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thoughts, which feels good to the ego, however, is not good
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for the being, which is that that higher level of, of what
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you're talking about that vibration in which in which I
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believe is a state of non judgement, there's no judgment
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there you there's no right or wrong, which turns out to be the
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very first lesson in the Course of Miracles is that you look at
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everything you see, and nothing has any meaning. And if nothing
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has any meaning, then it was no judgment. But how do you do
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that? Because everything has meaning. So
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Unknown: the thing is that when we've had some adversity in our
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lives, we're kind of tracking for adversity, you know, it's
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like, we're like, oh, okay, I don't want to have that happen
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again. So we're just like, you know, intent on that sort of
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thing. That's not helpful. Because of the possibilities
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that exist for us in our life. You know, we're, we need to, it
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takes a while, it really does. You can't just do it. But after
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a while, you get used to having a positive outlook. And, and
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that lady who told me I should make up a good story, she was
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right, I should have. But anyway, was the story that you
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made up? Well, gosh, my father was an alcoholic, rageaholic
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child molester. And you know, it, that my mother was ignoring
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the whole situation, because she had six kids, she used to read
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like six books a week, we go to the library, and she bring her
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big stack of books. You know?
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Alan Carroll: What, that was your story. That's, that's, that
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is a story in which you wouldn't have a wonder why you chose to
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be incarnated into that family. And my understanding is you
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chose you chose it in order to learn something had to happen in
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order to raise your vibration. Naturally, I
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Unknown: attracted it, I attracted it. With my low
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vibration, so
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Alan Carroll: um, so your journey has been to get out of
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the pain and out of the suffering comes the comes the
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lotus flower, out of the mud comes the lotus flower. So your
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enlightenment comes from that? The the experiences earlier
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which you chose as a spirit to do, I think that's what you're
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saying. Yeah.
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Unknown: And the fact is that unconditional love is a very
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high vibration. And you can't even do it unless you have
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adversity. Because it's really easy to love the people who love
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us. And you have to have adversity to do unconditional
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love. And that's the that's the sweet spot there. So that's why,
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you know, have you heard of how oponopono
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Alan Carroll: sounds Hawaiian? But no, I have it. Yeah,
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Unknown: it is Hawaiian. It's a Hawaiian healing technique for
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the family. And it's like magic. I mean, mystical. And so what it
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is, is, it's this, it's kind of like an incantation or a prayer.
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But um, so this is how oponopono you say, I love you. And it's, I
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love God, God loves me. God loves that or the person. The
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other person loves God. And if you can say it, I love them.
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They love me but if you can't say you don't have to. Okay, so
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I love you. I'm sorry. And it's not I'm sorry I did anything but
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I'm sorry the situation exists between us. And then it's please
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forgive me. And it's not because I did anything but please
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forgive me for what's going on in me that caused me to attract
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this. So I have a button that this person pushed in me and it
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made me hate them. Because it hurts so deeply, like you say
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from my childhood are something so um, and then it Thank you.
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Thank you for showing me this so I could heal because if I didn't
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have this pain inside of me, I didn't I wouldn't know where I
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need to heal. So thank you for showing me this so I could heal.
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And then the big I love you again. I love God God loves me
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God loves the other person, you know the person loves God. And
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through that, you can. The thing is with people is we have a bind
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with people. We are they are bound to us we are bound to
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them. And it looses the binds that we have with the people
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that blankety blank ruin our life type of thing. You know, we
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have a bind with them and they're on So anyway, it
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loosens,
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Alan Carroll: you said it loosens the the connection that
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you had with that story. Now the story is getting further away.
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And the influence the story has on your beingness gets less and
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less and less as you create more and more space for it to be
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further and further away. And pretty soon Hey, it's just my
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story. Is that?
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Unknown: Yeah. And also, the fact is that I'm taking
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responsibility for our buttons that get pushed. I think that's
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like something you you talked about earlier. So I so instead
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of being a victim, I'm not a victim, I realized that I
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attracted this out of them, they're just doing what they do.
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You know, and it hit a button inside of me that made me have
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pain. So then I can, I can just do I do the whole oponopono I
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mean, when I learned the whole oponopono I was doing it all the
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time. I
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Alan Carroll: can spell it, I want to know how to spell it.
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HOHOOOPONOP
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Unknown: Oh, no.
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Alan Carroll: PONOPONO. And
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Unknown: you can put a one of those. Anyway, a line thing
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above the second hour or something.
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Alan Carroll: Okay, all right, I think Google is good enough to
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figure that one out. Yeah, that's really a sweet one,
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because I close my eyes again. And when as you're doing it, the
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the forgiveness of the unforgivable is, is a struggle
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for the ego, which is in the is it was, which is, nd I will
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never forgive for what they did. To me, I will never ever forgive
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it. And so the ego is not going to relinquish the forgiveness.
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And so it's for you to be able to experience that breakthrough,
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when you realize that the forgiveness is causing you more
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problems holding on to whatever you're holding on to, if I want
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to be a higher level person, you have to you have to be able to
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have no hatred at all, you can't you can't go to a higher
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vibration if you have hatred to anything in the movie. And so
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what you're saying to me is that you've you, you push through
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that, and I realized that could go on, I
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Unknown: realized that it's my responsibility to take care of
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my buttons. And the deeper it hurts, the deeper the button is
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in me. They, you know, and I, I just, and so that's why I don't
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feel like I need to forgive anybody because I attracted at
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all, even as a baby, even as a child. I attracted it all in.
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And it's not in a shame way that I attracted it. What it is, is I
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just honor myself as a valiant spirit who decided to come in
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here anyway, even knowing I would experience the stuff. And
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I honor my valiant spirit who came here to raise my vibration.
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So there's no shame. There's no shame in how oponopono
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Alan Carroll: right? Yeah, right. What a what a wonderful
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way of, of it's trying to create a mental story that frees you
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from the past. And I know in the NLP world, they call it reframe.
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How can you reframe it, and the if you can reframe it, you lose
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the it's like, you, you realized you you break through a box or
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something happens on a mental prison that you had is no longer
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there. Because you figured out another way of interpreting it,
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which is a much more positive way that to be to be
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Unknown: Yeah, we all need to take responsibility for what's
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going on in us. Not in a shame way. At all. Only in an in a
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learning way. In a in a loving way. Yes. Like especially like
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those people that are just ruin your life then if we the only
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the best thing to do with them is to love them. Because
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anything that's lower than love is just hurting us. You know,
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Alan Carroll: anything lower than love is just hurting us.
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There's we've been again, the Course of Miracles says there's
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two types of thoughts. There's attack thoughts, and there's
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loving thoughts. That's it. So either you are loving when you
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speak you're loving vibration. You you You praise you praise
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comes out of you, about the world around you, and you praise
30:05
the flowers and you praise the trees. And that's beautiful.
30:08
Because when you praising it, you feel an energy that comes
30:11
through you, you have power of praising is that's a that's a,
30:15
that's a high level vibration power. So why not use it? Well,
30:19
I don't deserve the praise. Well, I just tried to pray
30:22
simply praise one thing and see what happens. You
30:26
Unknown: know, the I don't deserve part is is just like I
30:33
wonder what that's made out of? You know? The? Yeah. When,
30:42
because we are divine beings. And anything that isn't love
30:49
isn't really us. You know? And so we can, we can be fooled, you
30:57
know, to think stuff that's not love is us. But it's not so, but
31:07
it's like Jesus said, you know, forgive them they know not what
31:11
they do. He knew what, what it was like to be human, you know,
31:15
to be lost in our thoughts and, you know, just confused and
31:21
listen, and maybe we listened to the wrong stuff for a long time,
31:25
and we don't know which way is up anymore.
31:27
Alan Carroll: That's right. Lost in our thoughts is a good way of
31:31
describing your thoughts are just like a monkey mind has been
31:37
used to describe as lost in thoughts, your thoughts are
31:40
constantly going all over the place and you and how do you
31:44
settle the thoughts? How do you make the leaves that we're
31:48
stirred up? How do you make those leaps? Just settle down,
31:51
settle down, settle down. So you know you're in a more leafless
31:58
environment, less leaves.
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Unknown: Yeah, I think that loving ourselves is really key
32:05
for that I have in the past. You know what Wayne Dyer talked
32:12
about this thing that you can do, and your body can just like
32:17
start at your toes and just love every cell in your big toe, and
32:21
then go to the next toe. And just like it's a great thing to
32:24
do when you're asleep, you're trying to sleep and you can't
32:27
get asleep. And you just start at the bottom and just love
32:30
every cell in your body. And one time I was I really was having a
32:37
hard time sleeping and I was listening to Wayne and so so I
32:40
did that for several nights. And you know, maybe I would get up
32:44
to my elbows or something and then I would fall asleep. But
32:50
when that it got through my whole body and I loved every
32:53
cell in my body. And the next day, I was driving up 54th
33:00
street here to El Cajon Boulevard. And the alcohol
33:04
Boulevard is like a very eclectic street you got anybody
33:09
anybody could be walking down that street. So this like guy
33:13
who was very disheveled is walking across the street and I
33:17
was just sitting there all of a sudden I realized how much I
33:21
love this guy. And I was just watching the way is you know his
33:25
clothes hung on his body or I was just looking at his face and
33:29
I was like I just love that guy so much and I just thought you
33:34
know what I think when you're all loved up it's easy to love
33:37
other people like if you're if you're in a deficit of love for
33:41
yourself then it's hard to love other people but anyway, I was
33:47
all loved up because I had started at my toes and gotten in
33:49
my head and and it was with a lovely it was a lovely
33:55
experience actually.
33:57
Alan Carroll: Oh lovely is a sweet way of describing the
34:01
miraculous it's yeah, it's the flow of the realization that the
34:08
Warner Earhart described something he described it as a
34:13
you you don't need to go looking for love when it's where you
34:18
come from the Course of Miracles would describe it as God cannot
34:25
do for you what God cannot do through you so there's so
34:31
allowing yourself to be the spokesperson for the Spirit
34:37
allows that spirit to flow through you and you can I love
34:42
the praise thing is third time has come up but but to you, you
34:47
what's the word you want you prime you prime the pump by a
34:51
little bit of praise, a little bit of praise and a bit of
34:53
praise. And pretty soon it's like you're painting a picture
34:56
of heaven in your every moment now. is a is a divine moment of
35:01
presence. So the guy with a shovel does walking across is a
35:05
Whew. That's a that's a that's a big deal.
35:10
Unknown: Yeah, it was was lovely. Oh, boy. Oh,
35:14
Alan Carroll: boy, you're you are you're getting your you it
35:18
took you a while to get there. But I know I
35:21
Unknown: was I wish I had started earlier but I didn't get
35:24
it. I just didn't get it until, you know, Ron was sick and I had
35:29
to add to be here, you know. So that's the gift of Brian's
35:37
illness.
35:40
Alan Carroll: Yeah, to be able to, you know, look at it that
35:43
way. It's like, wow, this, other people could look at it
35:46
differently and physically, mentally and emotionally, they
35:49
would just, you know, they have to carry that, that burden of
35:54
victimhood, and you're able to release it. And now, you're,
36:00
you're flying, you're flying through the space?
36:03
Unknown: Well, you know, if you are in a committed relationship,
36:08
and it's death do us part somebody's gonna be kicking here
36:12
as somebody sometime you know. And so I just was grateful that
36:20
I was the caregiver, not the sick person, you know, I felt
36:25
like I had the better half. And I was grateful for that.
36:31
Alan Carroll: I people who want to reach out to you will, will
36:37
have all your notes and headshots and links and things
36:41
like that in the show notes. And how can people just right now
36:46
reach out to you and connect with you and the gifts that you
36:50
are in the world?
36:53
Unknown: You know, when after, I mean, I studied a long time
36:58
online, with all those enlightened thought leaders. And
37:02
when Ron died, I thought, wow, I really know some stuff now that
37:07
really elevated my situation here on Earth. And I thought I'd
37:12
like to share it with people. And so I wanted to write a book
37:16
about it so I could share all the things I learned. But
37:21
anyway, after Ron died, I walked the Camino Santiago de
37:25
Compostela. Just 500 miles across northern Spain and walk
37:31
500
37:32
Alan Carroll: miles. Yeah, I did. Yeah. And
37:36
Unknown: so it's a big deal. So I want this 500 mile track
37:41
pilgrimage. I am a Catholic. And so, you know, it's a Catholic
37:46
thing, although only about 30% of the people who walk the
37:49
Camino are Catholic and do it for spiritual reasons. Sure. But
37:56
anyway, um, after I got home, and I thought it was time to, to
38:01
write the book, I thought, oh, gosh, I was really reluctant to
38:05
be teaching because I didn't feel like an authority. And so I
38:09
remembered that I told all those things to people on the Camino.
38:13
So I actually wrote my book about walking the Camino and
38:16
telling people those things along the way. So um, so my book
38:22
is wisdom on the camino, a spiritual journey, sharing
38:27
forgiveness and possibilities to inspire the rest of your life by
38:31
Kathleen Donnelly, Israel. And so it's a real I've got a really
38:38
killer cover. I know you can get it on online too. But
38:41
Alan Carroll: the cover get hold it up. Yeah, this is
38:45
Unknown: the cover. All right. And it's like me going forward
38:50
and standing there too. It's kind of anyway, I don't know if
38:55
you can see it. Beautiful. Designer, do you design it
39:00
yourself? Oh, no, as a matter of fact, I am a graphic designer.
39:04
That was my, you know, my job. I got a degree, you know, and
39:09
stuff and, and I tried to make my cover, and then I got
39:15
somebody to make a cover for me, because nobody liked the one I
39:19
made. And I loved it. And so, um, you know, I have a lot of
39:26
friends. So I just showed it to them. And anyway, I let them
39:30
decide which one was the best cover. And it was so funny
39:33
because my sister in law loved the one I designed to, and I
39:37
loved it too, but I couldn't use it because nobody else liked it.
39:44
Alan Carroll: So well. It's nice to be able to formalize your
39:48
thoughts in the book form. So it's available for people who
39:53
want to access in the in the book form the wisdom that you
39:58
have experienced at As you have been riding down the river, and
40:03
your river had a lot of rapids, a lot of ups and downs. And it
40:08
sounds as though you've, I've stabilized you've, you've gone
40:12
through on, hopefully you, you've gone through the major.
40:16
And now you still might have stuff going on. But your ability
40:20
to manage it mentally is you've been transformed to be able to
40:24
manage the river differently than you did for the first part
40:27
of life. Now, you still issues come up, but they're just issues
40:31
now. They're not deeply mentally disturbing. I imagined,
40:36
Unknown: right when things get really awful. I think, Oh, what
40:40
was I thinking that brought this in? You know? And, like, I just
40:45
went, um, I went on a trip with my sister in law. And she was so
40:50
gracious to go with me. I wanted to go to Dollywood. But I didn't
40:53
want to go alone. And then she came, even though that's not her
40:56
thing. She came and it was, was so lovely. But um, yeah, I
41:03
couldn't hardly handle her personality sometimes. And, and
41:09
that, you know, it was so blatant to me that I had
41:12
attracted anything I didn't like about her. So. And also
41:20
Alan Carroll: notice that so So yeah, this was recently and you
41:24
had the like, you're watching the movie of Dollywood. And the
41:28
person you're with and you're able to see that in the past,
41:34
you would have judged it this way. But you're able to capsize
41:39
boat and you're able to right sided up quickly. That's exactly
41:45
what mindfulness is about that ability to right side the boat
41:50
quickly, not that you're not gonna get capsized. It's just
41:53
that How quick can you get back again? And I bet love has a lot
41:56
to do with it.
41:58
Unknown: Yeah, well, it allows the love, you know, and to
42:02
realize, like, when you like think somebody is like, evil or
42:12
something. That's just not true. Because they're a divine being
42:17
also, you know, and, and I did notice, like, that she had
42:23
anxiety. And the things that were showing up that were
42:29
uncomfortable for me were caused by her anxiety, you know, and
42:34
so, I mean, how could I fault her for that? I mean, you know,
42:38
we just have anxiety. So, yeah, so, no, I don't need to forgive
42:45
her. And, and I care about this. Yeah. I attracted everything. I
42:54
attracted everything I didn't like, and I attracted all the
42:57
good things too. I did. So, yeah.
43:03
Alan Carroll: Well, it's a, quite a, quite a journey that
43:08
you have been on. And it's quite a journey that you took our
43:12
audience on today. Really, it's a it's a, it's the journey of
43:16
self realization, of the journey of the bridge from the ego to
43:22
the being, that lower vibration, heaviness to a higher vibration
43:28
of lightness. And being able to articulate the thoughts be able
43:34
to express the the love and the forgiveness is those are, those
43:39
are higher level thought forms. When you're talking about praise
43:43
and forgiveness all the time. It's like that's pretty cool.
43:46
And,
43:47
Unknown: and, and you don't even need to forgive, you know,
43:49
forgiving yourself is what, what's important. And also
43:56
realizing it's not about shame. When you forgive yourself. It's
44:00
not about shame. It's about getting closer to God and loving
44:05
when you when you forgive yourself and taking
44:09
responsibility and so you don't have to be a victim. I hate it
44:12
being a victim. I'm not a victim anymore. At all.
44:20
Alan Carroll: How is shame and guilt connected? Are they the
44:23
same word? I feel guilty about what I did I feel ashamed about
44:28
what I did I feel embarrassed about what I did. I feel stuck.
44:33
I did. Oh
44:34
Unknown: my gosh, oh my gosh is so that is such a big piece is
44:42
okay, so I would do something and I would be mortified that
44:47
No, somebody noticed what I did. Like I'm just going to tell you
44:51
one time I was I was at the Old Globe Theatre and I had this
44:56
skirt that the bottom was uneven. And so I I, you know, I
45:01
went to the restroom, and I was making sure all my parts of my
45:05
skirt were down in the back right? Now walked out. And this
45:08
lady came up to me and told me that my skirt was up in my
45:11
waistband. And I thought I had, you know, I mean, there, I was
45:16
walking in front of all those people. And I was just like, so
45:20
mortified, like, I could die. Right? Ah, and then, and then I
45:27
realized that I congratulated myself for being there. Because
45:36
if I had stayed home, and just been by myself, I wouldn't have
45:40
had that happen to me. So I congratulate it and honored my
45:45
valiant spirit that was out there in a situation where it
45:49
could be embarrassed. And, and so I got over it right away,
45:55
like boom. And, and it, it seems kind of silly. But I mean,
46:00
that's the kind of thing that I used to always just be so
46:03
embarrassed all the time about everything. And now I'm like,
46:09
Yeah, okay, well, if I had stayed home, I wouldn't have had
46:13
that problem. But I'm congratulating myself for being
46:16
out there. In a situation where I could experience that. And
46:21
that's it.
46:22
Alan Carroll: That's, that's an important idea. Because I God's
46:28
not gonna knock on your door and say, Oh, hi. Hi, how you doing?
46:32
Kathleen? Would you want to get enlightened? No, Kathleen has to
46:36
open the door, go out in the community, put herself into
46:39
circulation, put herself into participation. So the gifts of
46:43
God, it's better. It's easier to give it to you when you go out
46:47
there rather than hide act fight at home. And so that's
46:51
wonderful. Because that's a testimonial to the the person
46:59
that may be reluctant because I don't know what's on the other
47:02
side of the door. You know, yet, you know, you're you're a
47:07
testimonial that God's on the other side of the door.
47:12
Wonderful. That's beautiful. Well, we have taken a lot of
47:16
time today. I loved hearing your your stories.
47:22
Unknown: Your thing? Well, one more thing. You're absolutely.
47:26
Okay. So in my book, right across from the table of
47:30
contents, I have a gift for my readers. And people, like I
47:35
shared my pictures with my friends on Facebook. And they
47:38
said you got to put your pictures in your book. And I'm
47:40
like, yeah, and then it'll be $50 for the book. And so I made
47:45
a website with galleries and portfolios of my pictures per
47:51
chapter. So you can like, go across from the table of
47:56
contents, you have to double opt in and says read this first. And
48:01
then you know, and then you can see the pictures while you're
48:05
reading the book.
48:07
Alan Carroll: That's technology working. Yeah. The books
48:11
available on Amazon, Amazon. Yeah. Well hold it up again. So
48:17
in case people somehow are able to take a there. Let's let's
48:22
just hold hold on, because I'm going to take a picture of it.
48:25
So I have it. All right. Oh, look at that. Okay. Perfect.
48:32
Perfect. Okay.
48:37
Unknown: So, when I wrote the book, I actually wrote down my
48:41
teachings. And then I wrote who I, I wrote who I told them to,
48:48
and then I arranged it in a timeline on the Camino.
48:52
Alan Carroll: Wow. Well, it's, it's been, it's been a wonderful
49:00
experience, Kathleen, I appreciate it. Use a wonderful
49:04
guest. sharing, sharing, unlimited sharing, open sharing,
49:15
enjoying enjoying the journey free to go here to go there.
49:21
That's wonderful. Because you got to be a light, flexible to
49:25
be able to do that. And that's a characteristic of I think the
49:29
higher level you go is the vibration, the more flexible
49:32
that you become. Thank you, God. Thank you very much for being a
49:37
guest. And thank you very much for the opportunity. Be being
49:42
with you today. And I'll say goodbye and have a joyful,
49:47
blessed day. Bye bye, you
49:49
Unknown: will to Alan. Bye. Bye bye