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Stephen A. Smith, Dusty Baker, Anne Burrell, Jeff Clanagan & Radha Mitchell · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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  Speaker 1: is on the phone. He is the fourteenth winning this
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  Speaker 1: manager in Major League Baseball history. He began his Major
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  Speaker 1: League Baseball career in eighteen sixty. Is a teammate to
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  Speaker 1: the speedy of raft guards man Right Dore and the
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  Speaker 1: legendary slugger Hank Aaron. But we're on the show the
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  Speaker 1: day to discuss his life as an entrepreneur. He is
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  Speaker 1: the founder and president of Baker Energy Team. He's the
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  Speaker 1: founder and president of Baker Family Wines, which I found
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  Speaker 1: out when I was reading the Houston Chronicle, and the
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  Speaker 1: founder and chairman of the board of cool Baker Global
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  Speaker 1: along my man Robert cool Bell, who's the founder and
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  Speaker 1: president of Cool Baker Global. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation.
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  Speaker 1: The current manager of the Houston Astros and wine entrepreneur
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  Speaker 1: Dusty Baker. Good morning. How you doing, hey, Dustin. I
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  Speaker 1: had to get it all lot man, I had to
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  Speaker 1: get it all lot about you man. Yeah, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: let let us talk about you as a person, because
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  Speaker 1: I gotta say some things about the very personal to meet.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you're in the business, the only two African
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  Speaker 1: American managers that are currently and Major League baseballer, that's
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  Speaker 1: Dave Roberts or the Dodgers and yourself. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you grow up in the community and you look,
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  Speaker 1: you are a icon, You are a a leader. You
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  Speaker 1: are a person that consider blessing in my life because
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  Speaker 1: you're doing some things that are unique in this business.
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  Speaker 1: And you've achieved high levels of success in a business
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  Speaker 1: that very few of us have achieved an opportunity to participate.
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  Speaker 1: And that nothing negative. It's just why life placed itself out.
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  Speaker 1: And with that being said, when I when I make
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  Speaker 1: statements like that and and and I'm an African American man,
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  Speaker 1: the person of how do you react to that? Do
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  Speaker 1: you do you feel the the what you've accomplished in
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  Speaker 1: your life and the impact that you made to individuals
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  Speaker 1: like me and people you make a in the in
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  Speaker 1: the game of baseball, game that you just started playing
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  Speaker 1: because you loved and made a living out of it. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people tell me about it, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: really think about it, you know, I just think about
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  Speaker 1: living my life and trying to do the best I
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  Speaker 1: can for the community and my family. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: my dad was you know, my little league coach. He
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  Speaker 1: was very Bobby Bonds, thet league coach in Riverside, California.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was you know, deacon in the in the church.
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  Speaker 1: My mama was in the in the choir. So like
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  Speaker 1: we were, you know, uh raised, you know, to be
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  Speaker 1: community minded. And I'm the oldest of five. My dad
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  Speaker 1: worked uh two jobs for thirty five years and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my mom went back to school at forty
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  Speaker 1: years old and uh, you know, got her degrees and uh.
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  Speaker 1: But my dad was a common sense, hard working guy
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  Speaker 1: who who was an entrepreneur himself. But it didn't really
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  Speaker 1: you know, nobody use those turns back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: My dad had you know, my dad had rent out
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  Speaker 1: picked him up. And then you know, like he was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he'd do anything. A hustler. He was a hustler.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean my dad attacked ruth. I was
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  Speaker 1: with him all the time. My dad, you know, he
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  Speaker 1: did gardening. My dad did, uh, you know, whatever it
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  Speaker 1: took to you know, to make some exture change. And
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  Speaker 1: you know how I got into the farming. And you
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  Speaker 1: know most most of us are farmers in the past
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  Speaker 1: that we've forgotten about farm We were forced to farm
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  Speaker 1: back in the day. So you know, my dad, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we always had a garden. I got a
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  Speaker 1: garden now because you feed your family, you know, out
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  Speaker 1: of the garden. And so uh, you know, my my
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  Speaker 1: roots started long time ago. I didn't like it. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't like doing all that hard work out there in
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  Speaker 1: that hot sun. But it paid off because I'm passing
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  Speaker 1: that on now to you know, my daughter and son
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  Speaker 1: the way to my dad passed it on to me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's really interesting that so many terms that
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  Speaker 1: we use nowadays branding entrepreneurs. You know, when I was
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  Speaker 1: growing up in the sixties and seventies, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: those terms wasn't shared in our community like that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we were just trying to work, you know, whether entrepreneurs
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  Speaker 1: somebody who was cutting grass every week or entrepreneur. You know,
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  Speaker 1: these are entrepreneurs do these that we were doing, but
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  Speaker 1: we didn't know what the title was. Who was just
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  Speaker 1: like theyre trying to make money to put food on
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  Speaker 1: the table. Now we realized when I when I listened
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  Speaker 1: to you, the structure of who you are today, besides
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  Speaker 1: a baseball player, was given to you by your father
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  Speaker 1: and your mom. Your father being an entrepreneur, and you
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  Speaker 1: saw how he was able to make money outside of
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  Speaker 1: the forty hour week schedule. That was really important, correct,
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  Speaker 1: But I was very I was very correct to see.
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  Speaker 1: Also another part here that came into play. I signed
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  Speaker 1: out of high school against my dad's permission. I had
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  Speaker 1: a number of football and basketballs, none in baseball, and
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  Speaker 1: I was drafted by the Atlanta Braids, which I prayed
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  Speaker 1: that that that I didn't go, I wouldn't go to
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  Speaker 1: the South. This was in the sixty seven tough time
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  Speaker 1: was a tough time all over the country, especially in
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  Speaker 1: the South, and me being from California, I prayed, Lord,
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  Speaker 1: please don't let me get drafted by the Atlanta Braids.
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  Speaker 1: But that was the best thing, you know, that happened
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  Speaker 1: to me, because that's when I met Ralph Guard. We
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  Speaker 1: were in the same draft. And that's when when Hank
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  Speaker 1: Karen promised my mother that that if I signed out
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  Speaker 1: of high school, he would take care of me as
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  Speaker 1: if I was his own. The home son. So I
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  Speaker 1: came back home after that summer playing baseball. A couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks playing baseball, and my dad took my contract
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  Speaker 1: to court. He was trying to nullify my contract because
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  Speaker 1: he wanted me to go to college and and play basketball.
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  Speaker 1: And so the state of California they couldn't nullify it.
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  Speaker 1: So the State of California was a trustee over my
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  Speaker 1: affairs and my bonus money until I was twenty one
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  Speaker 1: years old. And my dad and I didn't I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he was my main man. We didn't speak three years.
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  Speaker 1: You know that. You know that I'm a team. Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm growing, I can do what I want. See what
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  Speaker 1: happened was my dad, uh in California put my money
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  Speaker 1: into IBM stock and to understand California, and there was
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  Speaker 1: and now there's Chevron. So now when I got to
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  Speaker 1: be twenty one years old, you know, between eighteen and
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, here I was watching my little my little
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  Speaker 1: money in the stock market and it tripled, and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, that's when I first started, uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: watching the stock market you know through no no, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know wasn't either, did it? Then? Later on in
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  Speaker 1: life I ended up being a stockbroker for a year
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  Speaker 1: in eighty seven, and my brother went to school he
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  Speaker 1: was certified, and the CFP and insurance and the stocks
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  Speaker 1: and all kinds of stuff. So you never know, you
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  Speaker 1: know which way the Lord is gonna take you. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: And it took me in a way where, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I was upset with my dad and you know, I
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do my own thing. But as it
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  Speaker 1: turned out, you know, these things helped me, you know
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  Speaker 1: later on in life. You know, That's that's why it's
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  Speaker 1: important for me to bring you on the show, because
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  Speaker 1: he's the stories that you know, you don't you know.
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  Speaker 1: Success is interesting because of the fact that when you
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  Speaker 1: bring up Handcaring and Hankcaring, if anybody doesn't know, they
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  Speaker 1: know he's the all time home run leader and all
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  Speaker 1: that stuff, broke the record of Beirut. But he's an
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  Speaker 1: amazing entrepreneur. This man right here, it's got so much
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  Speaker 1: going on in the city of Atlanta and surrounding areas.
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  Speaker 1: As an entrepreneur, that's why he's making all this money.
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  Speaker 1: That's where he's winning. Motivates me. I mean, he's always
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  Speaker 1: motivated me on the field and off the field. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I remember when Hank you know, I had
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  Speaker 1: you know, I had handcar and BMW and that's where
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  Speaker 1: he met Mr Moorehead Tom and Tom moorehead who who who?
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  Speaker 1: Both of them are are my partners. And this is
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  Speaker 1: some money in Baker family wines about a year a year,
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  Speaker 1: year and a half ago. And so this is how
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  Speaker 1: things come full circle. And you know Handcat Krispy Kreme,
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  Speaker 1: Handcats number I don't know, he has a number of
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  Speaker 1: Popeyes and he and he donates a whole bunch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: back to the community, you know, which is which is
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  Speaker 1: how I was raised, how I was taught, how I'm
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  Speaker 1: raising my kids that you know, Lord says, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like those that water get water, and those are generous
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  Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, have generous friends, and so
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  Speaker 1: like I'm afraid not to give now, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: of of of how blessed I've been in in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, hadn't always been easy. I mean there were
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  Speaker 1: times when I was almost broke, but always delivered me
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, some kind of way, something always
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  Speaker 1: came through to you know, put me back on top,
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  Speaker 1: which is indicative of my career and my business. At
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  Speaker 1: the same time, let's talk about so you're living a
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  Speaker 1: life of multiple strings of income, which I always talk
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  Speaker 1: about the money making conversations, and let's talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Baker family wines. Because I was reading, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I live in Atlanta. I'm a homegrowner. I'm born and
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  Speaker 1: raised in Atlanta. In Houston, Texas, by the way, born
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  Speaker 1: in fifth Ward, grew up in with the Forest Brook,
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  Speaker 1: graduate from University of Houston, got adree in mathematics, went
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  Speaker 1: to IBM, pursue a career as a stand up comic,
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  Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Now I'm on the phone
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  Speaker 1: talking to you on my platform, money making conversation to
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  Speaker 1: Steve Harveys of the world, Steve Smiths of the world,
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  Speaker 1: of Jamie Fox of the world, Monique, all these people. Man,
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  Speaker 1: you got a resume, all these people. You know the
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  Speaker 1: thing that Now let's talk about the family wines. My
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  Speaker 1: wife loves wines. Okay. I started out, you know, like
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  Speaker 1: I bought a piece of property years ago in Sacramento.
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  Speaker 1: It's like from San Francisco to Sacramentos. I had. I
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  Speaker 1: was on the UH Robert Mundavi Advisory Board, and I
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  Speaker 1: go to UH dinners and lunches with their with their
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  Speaker 1: distributors Canadaday West Southern wine and spirits and stuff. And
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  Speaker 1: so I had a couple of extra acres that I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna build a pond on and UH told me
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  Speaker 1: I would flood my neighbors because it was on like
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  Speaker 1: a slope. And so for what else to do with it?
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  Speaker 1: So I called, uh, you know, Robert Mandavi and and
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  Speaker 1: and I and I said, hey, man, do you know
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  Speaker 1: anybody that you can help me? Um, you know, plant
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  Speaker 1: my rootstock and my steaks and my my wires and
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  Speaker 1: all this. And he goes, yeah, he said, I got
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  Speaker 1: a guy, a Chicken Brennaman. And so, uh, fourteen years
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  Speaker 1: ago we planted a little gentlemen farm here that produces
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  Speaker 1: about six eight cases. And uh, and every time I
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  Speaker 1: lose a job, that's when I started a business. These
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  Speaker 1: these things come to me and that's how I And
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  Speaker 1: then I was giving it away to some of the
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  Speaker 1: brothers here in Sacramento and they're like, man, this is good.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how we got started. And see my guy,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Chick brennam and my my winemaker you know,
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  Speaker 1: was Ahead and Reese search at the at the winery.
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  Speaker 1: You see Davis, he just retired and you see Davids
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  Speaker 1: winning Premier Viticulture and and on college institutions and the
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  Speaker 1: institutions in the world. And so how we got started, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and then we grew from de Serra on my property,
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  Speaker 1: and then we vigrades. We have some of young blanc.
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  Speaker 1: We have a proper proper white that's a combosation stimion
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  Speaker 1: and and and and and uh Stavian blanc. We got
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  Speaker 1: a peno that's coming. We got Aberanio coming. We have
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  Speaker 1: the hank Aaron Cabernet that is supposed to be come
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  Speaker 1: in August or and then I got my my my
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  Speaker 1: grace from grace from my property. We got Russian river
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  Speaker 1: bra a Russian then and a proper head that's uh
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  Speaker 1: that that that that I like a lot that's a
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  Speaker 1: combination of Barbara sandel Vasi and Petite the Ros. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, we gotta you know, we're a small bootie finery.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you you got it going on? Not dusty, don't
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  Speaker 1: don't don't don't shame people like it? There you people
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  Speaker 1: like it? Well, well just tell you this by my wife.
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  Speaker 1: She's all and she's like said, wine connoisseur. I did
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  Speaker 1: a big mistake one time Dusty. She has a boot.
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  Speaker 1: She has this little boot you can just like a
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  Speaker 1: big wire boot. And she would and I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: it should be like a little corks in now and
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  Speaker 1: over the years she always had it and I would, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I just tell you the sad story. He's gonna go sad,
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  Speaker 1: not Dustin about to go sad. I didn't. I don't
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  Speaker 1: drink wine, but she loves good wine. And one day, man,
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  Speaker 1: I just came home with just through that whole all,
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  Speaker 1: just through all the corks away. You did? She not
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  Speaker 1: like I didn't know Dusty. I didn't know. I was stupid.
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  Speaker 1: That was stupid, man. She didn't speak to me for
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  Speaker 1: a long time. Brother, She that I didn't know a man.
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  Speaker 1: This growing wine. It's a lot of work. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's a lot of work. I'm out there almost daily,
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  Speaker 1: but it's it's a it's a very spiritual and it's
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  Speaker 1: very relaxing, you know. And now I see why my
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  Speaker 1: dad was always out in the garden, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: he'd come home work from work and go right to
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  Speaker 1: the garden. So that's what I and so I said,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I do every day. My wife breat me
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  Speaker 1: some water out and that my son, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: works with me out there, so I'm trying to teach him.
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  Speaker 1: And Baker family is one thing I've noticed in my
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  Speaker 1: conversation is that when you see an opportunity duster, you
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  Speaker 1: examine it and you try to see it through. You
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  Speaker 1: just don't just so shy away from something just because
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  Speaker 1: that's not your skill set. Is that that's that's that's
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  Speaker 1: that's a quality in you correct well, you know, because
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  Speaker 1: I was always uh, you know, I was told by
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  Speaker 1: my parents that don't be afraidly unknown. You gotta have
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  Speaker 1: faith in yourself. You gotta have faith in the Lord,
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  Speaker 1: and you gotta surround yourself with people that know more
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  Speaker 1: about that that particular situation you know, than you do.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, like I I surrounded myself with people
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  Speaker 1: because like I've been in and out of baseball the
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  Speaker 1: last few years, I get a job, we'd win the
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  Speaker 1: division and then you know, like you know, they get
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  Speaker 1: rid of me for whatever reason that I'd come home.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna wait on them too, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to give me a job, I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 1: out and get it like I was. Uh, And and
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  Speaker 1: you know I got Baker family wines but see my
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  Speaker 1: other uh interests. And when I built my home at
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  Speaker 1: that same time, I put solar throughout my whole all
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  Speaker 1: my property. I got ground mounds, I got roof mounds.
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  Speaker 1: I got instant hot water, I got thermal. I got
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  Speaker 1: a well that you know that's uh, that's uh you know,
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  Speaker 1: powered by a um uh you know, by solar. I gotta.
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  Speaker 1: I got a pool that was heated by solar. So
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to leave a you know, a better
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  Speaker 1: carbon footprint from my you know, my family and my
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  Speaker 1: kids that are coming because being a hunter and the fisherman.
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  Speaker 1: Uh since I was a kid with my dad. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I've just noticed how how the fisheries are are going bad.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: They're talking about there's no global warming. I went to
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Alaska last August, and I saw all these glaciers melting.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Looks like that crazy. I went their last mate. It
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: was sad, it was saying, man, it was sad as heck.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, but beautiful, but but but but sad. So
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: you know, businically tell you where it used to be.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: When they say, well, yeah, you used to be right here.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, then they tell there's no global warming, and
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute I've seen global warming. You know,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: I'm seven years old. I go to the rivers where
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I grew up fishing and stuff, and there's barely any
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: fishing there, you know. I go duck hunting, there's very
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you know, rarely any ducks or or it's hot out
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: here in California till until almost January is supposed to
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: be raining, so uh you know, that's that's that's why
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I got so interested in and solar, uh, you know,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to try to leave a better world and also not
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: to pay these high high energy costs on it. Let's
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: just talk about solar because it's been around forever, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and now when I'm listening to you, it seems like
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: it's an effective form of you know, paying the bills
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: around the house by using nature's energy, nature's resources. So well, well,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: well it is. And you know, I went to a clinic,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: not a clinic. I went to uh the Roth conference,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: and I met this guy in Chicago, uh you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: a few years ago named Ted Roth, and he goes,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: why don't you come down to our conference about solar
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: and alternative energy. So I went down there and I
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: noticed that there were very few women of power there
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: and they were a handful of minorities out of uh,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: you know, African Americans out of probably ten thousand people.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And so I'm like, man, we're getting left behind in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: in the in the uh you know, in the energy business.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And we're also being left behind, you know, in the
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: in the tech world. So um, you know, I I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: was trying to trying to take some people with me, uh,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: you know, to you know, continue this, uh, you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the thing that we started. And it's very interesting. I
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: mean I love it. I'm not an expert at any
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you know, by any means, but I'm I'm pretty knowledge
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: going the subject after you know, after all these years.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, I got some great partners. I got
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: some some great partners across the US. You know, I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: got Native Electric, I mean net Electric here in California.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: You know that's a minority owned you know. I got
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: sst here in California. I got Ken Knicks in Atlanta,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: next to associates, I got and c UH in Chicago.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So I've tried to cover myself, uh, you know, all
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: over the country. I got Salt Energy in uh in Virginia,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and so you know in Chicago Electric in Chicago up there, Oh, yeah,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that that's in Chicago from trying to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: cover parts of the world and uh and also trying
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: to make uh, you know, make some money at the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: same time to support you know, my family and the
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: people that you know surrounding. You know. The thing I
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: love it and you talk about is that you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: because I I followed your Chicago law that Mercy followed
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: your Chicago Cubs followed you to do. I'm sorry I
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: brought it up. I'm sorry I brought it up. I'm
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: sorry brought it because you know that's okay, learn from
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: you learn from it, you learn from because as African America,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm rooting for you, brother. I root for
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: black backs, I root for black managers, okay, and black
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: head coaches. Brother. I'll just let you know because I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: know the opportunity to achieve to get that job as unique,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: and to achieve the highest level of success is even
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: more unique. And so but I love the fact that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: usaid Richard, I'm not gonna just sit at home and
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: wait for my next job. I'm gonna make my opportunities now.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Before we get off the family wines, how can we
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: before we go back to Baker how can we get
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I can we purchased gained access to these great wine
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: because I gotta get something from my wife. I'm gonna
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: just let you know right now, you sound like you
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: put a little pressure on yourself. That don's stump man.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes you do things like you your It's
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a foolish move. That was a foolish move because because
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: like you said, saying, man, that's a that's a trophy case.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. And I'm telling that boot man
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: was was a life size boot and it was three
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: quarters up there, and for some reason in my stupid mind,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I went, well, this is worthless. I just threw him away.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: And she came home and she saw that boot empty.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: She go, okay, where are my corks at? I go, huh,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, baby, I felt it was
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: just uh, I just threw him away. Man. She didn't,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: she didn't say nothing. She's walked out of the ruin.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: So never listen. You could, yeah, you could. You can
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: go online, you know Baker Family Wines dot com. Or
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: you can email uh you know the office and B
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: n B like b A N D B Wine Company
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and uh, you know that will
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: happen today. Okay, I'm not surprising because of the fact
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: that she's a big fan of you and so happy
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: that you're now managing the Asteroids and there was one
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: season only, but man, the fact that you're there. But
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: more importantly, it's pretty happy to you know what I mean.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: I'm you know, the Lord did this because there's no
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: way that I was going in here to go a
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: great team like this, and uh, you know, uh, the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: only thing thissen in my baseball career is a championship,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: which I thought my career was over because you know
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: now that you know, there's always been you know, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a certain amount of racial discrimination, but now there's now
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: there's age and salary discrimination and intellectual discrimination where everybody
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: want to know what college you went to, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: regardless of how much knowledge or how much experience that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: you have. So this is, this gives me opportunity to
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: try to win a couple of championships. I need a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty seven victories, you know, to be uh,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: you know, first African American to win two thousand come
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: on down, twelve people. So um, you know, this is
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: this is kind of a legacy of God, said said yeah,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and and and it's a great town. You know, like
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you said, I've been going to Houston forever and ever.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And uh, you know my best friend Ralph Guard the
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: one we mentioned earlier, he's the one that that you
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: know that's the s in Houston. He said, Baker, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: was praying for you to get that job and speedy
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: that third base. Brother. It was all over right there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: You know, it's really it's really great. Let I'll be
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: remissing if I got to bring up this last business. Okay,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: well you know your you's a chairman along with my man,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: uh Robert cool Bell. If you don't know Robert Coolbell,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: that's from Cool in the Game Cool then and uh
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and a cool Baker Global was about that and uh
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: and how that how did that relationship come about? Well,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: you know, like I went to Africa about ten or
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: twelve years ago with you know, with uh some baseball
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: delegates and also uh you know professor Delaware State as
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: her own and uh, you know as I started it,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: uh you know Dave Winfield, when Reggie Smith, o'marmon ya,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Wendy Lewis Ambassador Bridgewater was there and a brother George
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and Tim from Ghana. So we all went to Ghana
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and uh you know, we came back. Uh you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: we came back like you know, knowing that how much
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: people are in need in Africa and how you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: how we're falling behind, especially in the energy field. So
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I got a call about this is ten years later,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I get a call from from from Cool Cool, Uh
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Robert Cool Bell Cool in the King. So
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I said, hey man, he goes, I said, how I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: know this is Cool in the Gang and he goes, well,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: kid Griffey Senor is my cousin. So he started singing
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: so Fresh and so fresh. I figured out that that
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: that it was really him and so and then so
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: we started talking. And my daughter who does all my labels,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: she did the Baker Family wine label and she did
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the Cool Baker Global uh uh logo. And so he's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: uh traveled extensively through Africa and performed extensively and so
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: uh through Ezra and Cool you know, we went to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Delaware State, Uh you know, visited them the African Peer
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Review Mechanism. Uh you know, we met a bunch of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: African dignitaries and so we're trying to take uh you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: some energy to Africa in the forms of solar or
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: co jin or a combination of of of ways. And
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: because they don't have lights, you know, and if you
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: don't have lights, how do you kids study? How do they?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, they don't have hardly nothing. And so, uh,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you know in that in the you know, they're currently
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: of fifty five nations in Africa are in the eight
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: p r M. And uh, so this is what we're
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: trying to do, even installed some you know, because the
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: coronavirus you know, I mean people aren't allowed to go.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: But cool, it's really really hooked up there. And so uh,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: you know, his combination of people that you know and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that you don't know in Africa already and and us
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: being in the you know, the energy business. You can't
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: do it by ourselves. I mean we need some help,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: you know, which is tough. You know, yeah, team right,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: which is tough to find. And uh and uh but
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you know, if there's a will, there's a way, and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: we're gonna find, you know, find a way to do it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'm on the website right now, Baker
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Family Wines website. I wanted right now, you know, all
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: going from the dugout to the vineyard. That's what I'm saying, right, guy,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: slide on down, see the team I see with the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: cool glasses on in the venue. You're saying, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at your brother, looking at you. Got those
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: sun glasses on. You know they mean that you that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: the turn dark when you walk out in the sunlight.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I know what you are. I know what you're I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: know what I can't see. I can't see that, but
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that's that's what your trademark. And you walk down the
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: street without those glasses. So I go with that dude.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Who that dude? Exactly? The other day somebody has hey
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: words your toothpicks. I don't know my mother. Well, I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: got the email addressed. The gmail I see all listeners
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: is our wines. You will be getting the email for
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: me today. I'm gonna see see my wife, so you
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: know I love her. But more importantly, Dusty, I want
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you to bring you on the show man to say
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: thank you for being you, but more importantly, tell your
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: story a little bit outside of the baseball world. A
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: lot of people were New Zealand, Canada, you know, Ireland.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: They listen to my podcasting, my talk shows. You say, Wow.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I say wow too, because I don't know who listened
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to New Zealand, but they're listening at that time down
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: there in Australia, and it's it's that worldwide effect that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted when I when I stopped managing Steve Harvey,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: just like you said, your legacy is important, and my
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: legacy when I want managing with some bad boys. I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: was looking at you. Think about it. The thing I'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: really impressed with. I mean, I was pretty good at man,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like it because I couldn't be
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: s he got. You got to be exact for a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: man to be a math major. Who I got? I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: got mad respect for you. Man, How did you get
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to do that? I mean, did you like it that much?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna tell you something. It was like
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I avoided it all my life. You know, my I
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: could always go back to high school and my and
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: my math teacher told me I was good at it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But I went to school. I wanted to be anything
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: else that can give me an easy grade. Okay, that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was what That's why I was anything that can give
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: me an easy and I struggled. It took me seven
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: years to graduate, but only three years once I got
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: my act together, you know it was it was four
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: years of trying to get get by easy, trying to
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: get the easy course to talk to my friends. Hey mean,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: that's an easy grade over the goal, easy grade over there.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And then I realized, you know something, be who people
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: expect you to be, and I'm math man. I went
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: in there. Man, I couldn't afford math books, calculus book
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and I would walk in that room, dusty. I would
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: look at the board, walk out car one, caw two,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Carl three without a math book that was al to geometry.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I said, Mama, please, that's enough. Well, you know some brother,
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I want to thank you. I want to appreciate you
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: for saying who you are and being in Houston. Boy, yeah,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: my country that we're gonna when this pandemic ends, and
• 29:45
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• 29:47
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• 29:49
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• 29:54
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• 29:57
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  Speaker 1: My next guest. You know, every year, you know, since
• 32:14
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  Speaker 1: annual interview, annual interview, So it's year three interview number three,
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  Speaker 1: My next guest. As an award winning producer and innovator
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and entertainment, he currently holds roles as president and founder
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  Speaker 1: of Co Black Films and Co Black Digital, a film
• 32:32
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• 32:35
  Speaker 1: community worldwide. And he's also president of laugh Out Loud
• 32:40
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• 32:43
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• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I've gotten involved with and they said, hey, richean who
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you think deserve these awards. He's a celebration of what
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: black men are doing that making a difference in our community.
• 32:54
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• 32:57
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  Speaker 1: Hey ma man, Jeff Jeff is is year three as usual?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: You know you keep you posted, you know, left up
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the first year when we came on the show with
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen that's when laugh Out was busting out,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and also the you was about to launch the The
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Kevin Hard Uh Serious Radio Show. All that stuff was
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in this early stages. Give us an update on were
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: yet right now? I mean, we're at a really good place,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: and that's because of what's happening in the industry. Um,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, streaming is obviously now you're you're seeing
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of preps about you know, people a hand
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: streaming because a couple nineteen salary. But it was it
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: was already on on an upward trend, unbelievable past. Yeah,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the patients like get now is like it's on fire
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: because the people are home when they're watching content. But
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: what's changed since the last time we talk, which has been,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: which has been, which has been very beneficial for what
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I've been doing and for obviously for a lot of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: other people looking at get into space, is that when
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: we talked last time, when we talked about streaming, the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: notion was, Okay, you got Netflix, we know Disney clusters coming,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we know HPO Max is coming, we know who is coming.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: But those are all those are all subscription streaming challenge.
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  Speaker 1: And what's happened is that with the proliferation of the
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  Speaker 1: subscription challenge, meaning that I'm paying ten dollars, I'm paying
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: exactly what happened a whole new wave of of a
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  Speaker 1: different model called a bob which is advertising the video man,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: which which merely means is like, if you're watching it,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: you can watch it for free with a commercial. So
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: then you saw companies like if you have a smart TV,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: you'll see you probably sell all these acts on the
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: TV pool, TV to Be and Roku and Amazon Fire,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: like what is all that they're banking? Just streaming platforms
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: with audiences but you don't have to subscribe. And what
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: ended up happening is that Pludo which was by by
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: by Com for like four dred million dollars, and then
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: two Bele just reasally by box Kid. I started getting
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: all these calls from Pludo and to Be They're like,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: these are in boundary, Like, wait, what's going on here?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Because I learned my phone just started blowing up these
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: black phones looking for content, and it almost figured I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: figured out what I ha to be. You don't need
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you d you don't need to right now. This is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: content king right here. Okay, this is black kick King,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: content king I'm talking to right now. And Jeff Clinic,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: you know, wait, back before anybody thought about recording black
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: people and put them on on vhs, DVDs and blue
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: rays or whatever you were doing it. So you all
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: content a king, so a lots of one. Everybody know
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: who I'm talking to right now. Continuous stories sometimes remind
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: people who I'm talking to him as you know, you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I was the person the game for what I call director,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: so with VH okay, so this is that all over again.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: But here's what here what when when I started talking
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: with the impounds, came pretty figured it out. Like I said,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: where you have all these people, these companies running all
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the data. But here's the purple when it comes to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: our people. Is okay, the average household for black folks, right,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: you probably have your Netflix subscriptions, and you probably and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: you probably have an Apple iTunes for Spotify. Can you're
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: gonna listen to your meals? Right? So you got you
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: got the too. Then if you have if you got kids,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: probably want to jump in a Disney plusic is Disney
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Plus also cousin with ESPN, and so now you've got
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: now you've got three subscriptions. Let's say you've got maybe
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: one or two other discriptions. But then after that, when
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: you turn on your TV, you're looking for free conquest absolutely.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: If you can be on four you living a good life.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: You're living a good life. You shouldn't listen to my show.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: You got sure? You like you, You're like you, you
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: You're good. You know what's happened is that these all
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: these three AVI platforms that are now coming embedded into
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: the smart TVs are blowing up. I mean I can
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: tell you like right now, like so we so we've
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: just launched Hill. When you know what I'm doing, I
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: do it to TV dude, I like the test of
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: sy what's going on? So I'm rolling out by the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: end of Beyond Everybody. We launched on Pluto first because
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that was the big one. Like in our first like
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: I said yesterday, we had two point seven month billion
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: minutes of people watching shows on the on the on
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the channel um our first starting days like, we were
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: over sixty one million um views on the thing. So
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: people are people are watching. Yeah, the number, the numbers are,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: the numbers are crazy. But what it is is that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: here's what the kids versus versus you're trying to You
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: started like a stand alone channel and bring everybody to you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: I just said, Okay, I'm gonna go to where I
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: know people that I know they're on Roku, I know
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: they're on Amazon, I know they're in Pludo. You know
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So you go to where there's an
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: audience that But what's happened on all these platforms is
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that black content is over indexing versus versus mainstream content
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: on all the prepapforn black content is just overperformance like
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like period. So that that just kind of tells you
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: where the market is. But at the end of the days,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: when your Body New Smart TV people are Body TV,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you can see these acts on the TV and and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and that's where we're at. And that's that, and that's
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: what we're averaging. A that's it. That's all you need
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: to watch. That's so that's that's exact word. So it's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: now obviously we'll cover nineteam the number now days like
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it's really Charles accelerating everything. Well, you know, it's really
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: interesting that because that's that is the case. Like you said,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: everybody got their little I G. Talk shows. Now if
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you go at nighttime the six o'clock, it's like about
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: on my feet. You know, everybody got a little talk show.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody tried to get Stephen A. Smith hey man,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Steven to come on my show. I don't even have
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: the book here no more. He just he's just he's
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: just he's self booking himself now. And so because people
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: want that content now. But the beauty of it is
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: that this is what I like about it, is that
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: you're educating people to this form, this platform. And so
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: because once people when we're gonna get back to normal,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: well this summer, people start going back to work, games
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: to start being played. May not have fans, but there
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: will be games played. And so that means that these
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: athletes and these famous people who have all these at
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: night podcast at night I G platform, they're gonna go away.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Guess who gonna be left? L O L l O
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: L Can there waiting doing you come over here? Because
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: we're here every day and and that I always love
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: talking to you because you have never been a person
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: to be stymied by the direction that you were going
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: to go, and seeing the opportunity to go over there,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: you're quick to pivot. Why what what? What? What makes
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: that work for you? Like that you just are you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: a forecaster or you you have to say visionary in
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: some aspect, but you're not not afraid to pivot away
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: from the original plan. Well, I think you know, here's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: the thing. What I find in entertainment. My background is
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: I have a business backm and I got into entertainment.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Now I got an entertainment and learned business. So for me,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: there's a bus the mindset. So I'm not attached to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: any one thing. If I'm doing this and you gotta go,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you gotta go from May to be at that, it
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. Where a lot of people will I
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: find out, you know, even a lot of business people,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: they get stuck in a box and if you if
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: it goes outside of the box, they have trouble adjusting.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not like I'm gonna I'm gonna always adjust to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the business model. But what happens is that with you know,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: with technology and social media. Here's what people are understand
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: is that the consumer is going to drive your business model.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: If they want to listen to read up, they will listen.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: You have to go to what the consumer saying. You
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: can no longer push your business model on the consumer
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: because the consumer is going to tell you how they
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: want to consume content or or how they want to
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: even be entertained. And you have to be able to
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: be flexible and just you can't be so caught up
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: because you spent nine months putting together a business plan
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden the business change. You can't
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: get so caught up. And that you gotta be able
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: to you gotta be able to reflect and adjustice I mean,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, the first thing, the first thing I
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: did when when we were in the quarantine, I put
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: three animated projects in productive and I like that. Okay,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I can't do the protective a little animators, absolutely absolutely,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and that's why I love it. But no, you know
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it's my man master p days. If you have to
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: be able to pivot back then you know n w
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: A days, you know, straight out of competent dating. So
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: that whole world and then the fact that you're one
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: of the vision areas behind, you know, going to comedians,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: gonna look, I can shoot your video, I can shoot
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: your commedy special, and we can sell these stories back
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: when stories because remember you had Steve Harvey. Now we
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: should go to like and do like, go to these
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: different record stores when they will open, and do signing
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: dates for all these DVDs and all these ways they
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: were dropping. And so then then they became streaming, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: so when you look at all this competition and all
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: these things that you have out there, it really it's
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: really important that when I hear you go look Roushano,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I'm frustrated, just like everybody else. I didn't see the
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: pandemic coming, just like everybody else. But what I couldn't
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: do it just says I don't go oh always me, Okay,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I got animators, animators got computers, they got WiFi. Let's
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: get busy, let's get big. See it's just like my staff.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: We do zoom zoom meetings at eight thirty in the morning,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and we do zoom meets at four o'clock in the afternoon.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: We do daily function. Because I'm in the digital I'm
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: in the social media. I'm into a podcast. I'm into
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: like right now, I'm just gonna recording my show. Somebody
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: at their house is gonna chop this show up and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: then it's gonna go into syndicational radio on my thirty
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: radio stations. And that's how it works. But you're not
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be frustrated by the process. And I
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: say this because it's always funny when you come on
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: my show. Jeff Clanning because you are the you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you're running Kevin Hart brand, laugh out loud, the heartbeat Digital,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: and this is the side of the business that is
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: equally as powerful and equally as possible as popular as
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Kevin Hart himself. And that's why it's important that people
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: understand that that, you know, you gotta surround yourself with
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: people who understand the business, are not frustrated by it,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: and also have a history of success. That's you, Jeff Clanican,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that's you all as you all day long, my friend,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: all day long. Appreciated. So explain to us. You know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: when you realized that this was not going to be
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a short term stay at home, did it cause you
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: to move some production schedules up, or we arrange your
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: content or pull out old content because you know, because
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: people are watching more, that means that you have to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: refresh a lot quicker. Correct that that is correct. I mean,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: that's why I think I had to make a real
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: quick suggesting like I had. I had six productions that
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: were about to go into production, like big production, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: three of them were starring Kevin. So what I did,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: like it was it was it was like a quick pivot.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: But so what I did is in my so in
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: my two thousand one plan, I had planned the boom
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: moving the animation like a big way from animation, right,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: so I just okay, you know, as we go to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the production hole, I call it the animated up who
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: were sitting at home like the computer. Then inner that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: and we've got I've got I've got three series in
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: production meaning and getting animated right now because I already
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: had writings and stuff right now, so we are just
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: fast track and put everything and everything in fast track
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and started to focus on the animation right now, right
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: right now. And so that that's the part of the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: platform that's working now now when I go to the platform,
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: because I'm gonna pull it up right here, you know
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you've got colds Balls well season three, Kevin Hard of course,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and then you have you know, the Kevin Best, the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: fresh episodes, your favorite episodes, Kevin's favorites. You know, it's
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just it's just a it's just a comedy in its finance.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And so so are you chopping up the specials? Are you?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Are you? Are you front loading news specials? Where are
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: you coming back? Because you know when they did that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: deaf comedy Jam specially on people doing comedy from their home.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that would work for me. So
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: because everything everything's been shut down, you know, live if
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it's been shut down, so that you know, doing the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: animated is great, but you know, the hardest soul of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: what you do is tied to audience interaction exactly now.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: The thing about it, but I don't know. I haven't
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: talked to you. But the other thing I had got
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: back into you may not. You probably don't know because
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I was playing above, but I was actually producing um
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: nick can a While Now tour which we had on
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the road. Yeah, yeah, we were playing. We were knocking
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: out ten ten eleven to remember that came down. Yeah,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: we had to shut it down. But part of that
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: is we were going to shoot that as a special
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: at the end of the tour. That was the whole thing.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: We had cameras going during the tour. UM and I
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: had some mother life, so obviously I had to put
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a pin in that UM Interns the special. That was
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: probably if I had to say, if anything to hit
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: my business the hardest look that because I was really
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: going aggressively into the live business, with the Wild Now
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: tour being the first one um and and so like
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: you just meant to something. What's not working on social
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: digital is comedians trying to do stand up comedy on
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I G and then musicians can do it and they
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: can sing, but trying to do stand up with our
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: audience and just don't know people trying it. So it's
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: just it's not working at all. It's just not UM.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: So my thing is, I got attendant. I I believe
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: there's a window in gonna be July, Augusteptember, I go
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: back and shoot. But we don't know what's gonna happen
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: in the fall, if the flu is gonna come back
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: in the winter. So I when when we when we
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: have this potential window, I'm gonna I'm gonna knock out
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: a budget productions, um stand up and everything and live stuff.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: In terms of touring stuff, I think that's gonna be
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: a two thousand one because I just don't see it
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: by fall, letting you know, ten dialing people back in
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: unless the league. I think the League, the NBA and
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the and the lead they're gonna take the front and
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: there wasn't gonna have to break the ground in terms
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of okay, we can now go to an arena we
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: can go to a stadium and if that if it,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: if it's safe, then then I think you'll see the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: live touring stuff open Meaga. But I still think that's
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: twenty one absolute, especially when uh California said, hey, we
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: canceling everything everything, concerts, football, error, anything has a crowd
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: and we counsel it. But I do believe I've been
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: an advocate of Jeff of saying, hey, we gotta get
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: back out there, but we just gotta have the what
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: are the rules to to be able to socialize? You know,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you know that's what that's what nobody's giving us right now.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And so when I look at the program and it's
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: being put out there, and I've seen these stand ups online,
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand up. When I see him online trying
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: to do stand up at the house, I go, this
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: is not working. Who is tapping the folks just can't work,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: just can't work. And when they did that, you know,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and it's a couple of people have called me, you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: we sure you used to do stuff, Hey, hey used to,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: used to used to and definitely like coming on on
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: on ne York Instagram fee trying to do stand up
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: with no crowd Okay, So I don't need that level
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: of an embarrassment in my life. So but but you
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: do have some great productions that you have completed. It's
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: the die Hard with you know, Jonathan Folto and Kevin Hard.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: That's well, y'all, I know what I'll do a play
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: on this man's last name, Kevin Hard die Hard talk
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: to us about Ted and then yea, yea, y'all. Silly man, y'all,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you you silly Kevin Hard. Silly, just silly people out
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: there making a lot of money, man. That's all. Well,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you know what's funny was about that is that we
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: did that with Quimby. Quimby is the new swinging platform
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: that just larged, yes, about a month ago for promotile devices,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: and it's it's killing movie. So basically Baky shot an
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: eighty minute narrative movie in chapter. So there's there's ten cha,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: just ten eight minute chapters. Right. Um, the we finished,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I think he sends the right in February. Um, with
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: the dynamic with Kevin and John was hilarious. That was
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: to say, probably one of the best UM performances, just
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: because because the interest with John really raised the level
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: of the acting and the performance, but it's it's once
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: again we're experimented with new format with Quimby, which is
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: director short short form exactly. It was, it was, it
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: was a great experience. It's a great we're actually working
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: on diying hard too. Right now. It came out some
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: working on dock Team. But now let's listen explaining about
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: what Quimby really does. Okay, it could be like ten
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: to fifteen minutes, and so that's what he said. Now,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: are they like um Netflix where you can just binge
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: all the episodes or or they come out on a
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: daily basis or a weekly basis. Well, we'll see. That's
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: so what happened when they first started UM it was
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: they want to do it on a daily basis of
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: weekly versus ben. But I think the audience, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: they're looking at the audience metician question. I think that
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: because I'm seeing some of the shows where they putting
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: them all up as bende and so once again, the
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: audience it's gonna drive how they're going to release the episode.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: So they came out with a model, but then they're
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: getting the audience feedback on how they want to see stuff.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: So I do believe they're gonna put stuff out from
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: a bench at that point, because that's that's what the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: audience and how they're used to watch and stuff on
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: from the scream at that point. Yeah, that's really interesting
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: because of the fact that you know, uh, you know
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Disney was like that when Disney, because I have Disney
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: Plus of course, and I got Disney Plus and uh, Mandalarian, Okay,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: it came out every amazing, it came out every week,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: so I had to wait the next week to see
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: the episode. And it was really smart because it was
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a really good series. And so so I'm sure pretty
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: sure that worked for them because guess what, every week
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: I was right there. Otherwise they just have me for
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: one one weekend and I was I was gone. And
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: so but that was a really really great series, The Mandalarian.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Of course, Netflix has started the model of ben watching
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: bench watching. But I think that because of Quimbies. It's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a short form. It forces you to want to see
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: the next one to keep your energy going. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, it's fifteen minute, d I need to
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  Speaker 1: and so so so that's that's why it's really great.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And when I look at Kevin and what he's done.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: I saw him because so I mean Hobbs and Shaw
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: and who's funny in that? And and this guy is
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: just this this a great person, but a person who
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: And I was doing some interview and I told him,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I said, I really believe that Kevin will with an
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: oscar in his career because he really really can act.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: He has a. He has an, he has a. He said,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: He's like our version of what Robin Williams was in
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: that era, because Robin Williams could be very funny, he
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: could act and very serious, and Kevin is to playing
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: those same qualities in his own way. I'm not saying
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: he's Robert Williams, but he's Kevin Hot in his own
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: way and with those qualities. But one of the qualities
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: I really liked about you is that your ability to
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: give back. And the last time we've talked about the
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: internship program you created at L O L and Howard
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: would I tunes for young people to build their resume
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and experience. What's the update on that program, Jeff, Well, Actually,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: since the last time we talked, I actually kept for
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: my summer intern program, which is basically intern program for
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: social media and marketing. Um, you got bringing like four
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: to six students and actually we're putting together our our
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: team for this summer. But I actually I actually kept
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: two of them while they were at school. Okay, okay,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: look they were doing so good. So I had them
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: doing You couldn't kick him to the curve. You could
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: kick him to the curve, so I had to keep
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: him going. Like they were doing such a good job.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: They were doing such a good job. I kept two
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: of the school. What's obviously is helping pay for their school.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: But they so they worked for me. They do like
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: ten hours a week from you know, from school, and
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: so they stayed on and then they're coming back the summer.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: But they were doing really well, they really picked up everything. Um,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and I literally kept them on, so sail. What happened
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: is those two will help lead this new team that's
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I'm bringing in in the summer, right right, right right,
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: and now he got to be the team leaders. Now
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: is it the way that Okay, have my listeners and
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: other people, how could want can one participate to want
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: to apply? Or how does this work? Yeah? Well, let
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: me tell let me tell you what I was. I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: was on the way to doing Um, we so we
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: when we were shooting our Ken Either back story. So
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: when we finished that hard we were in Atlantic. Kevin
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: had another movie, um he was gonna do, so he
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: was gonna be in Atlanta until until June, and so
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: we were gonna shoot because we have an interview show
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that Kevin is doing kind of like the Dave Letterman
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: show called Heart to Heart, and so we were gonna
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: shoot these in Atlanta. But what I was going to
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: do was set up a program at Spellman and more
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: House to have students work on the work, actually work
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: on the production. Temple was marketing like a whole corrictlum,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: because we were gonna be there for three or four months.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: So honestly, you can't do that. So I gotta I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: gotta see something milk. But I it was I was
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: going to accelerate because we have a lot of productions
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and a lot of people in school. I don't get productive.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I was gonna have a kind of a production internship program. Also.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Um now I just I don't know if we're gonna
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: go back on that, and so we don't. Well, I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: have to figure out something else to do during the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: summer on it. But yes, there is opportunity for other
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: students to do to do different things right now be
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: centered around social media until I figure out what the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: production strategy is going to be. Jeff, Uh, you know, Okay,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: year four, Okay, I know it's gonna be a different
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Jeff clinic and story of success in pilot and uh
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and making a difference because I know that every year
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: you've you know, because you pitched some ideas of me
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: participating in certain format to reach on has changed and
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: that doesn't. And I understand that I would relate to that,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: and I understand that you are clearly understanding that. Look,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: when I walk in this room, it may be Tuesday,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: but it may be a different tuestan who was last Tuesday,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: and be prepared to make those adjustments. And congratulations man.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: As always, I'm talking to Jeff Planning, the president and
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  Speaker 1: found of Cold Black Films and Digital. Cold Black Digital.
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  Speaker 1: powerful talent in the sports business just a year ago,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: and he followed it up with his best year as
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: a professional. He has reshaped sports talk and it is
• 57:53
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  Speaker 1: media today is really incredible. He is the face of ESPN.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: He is the man. Please workome the money making conversation,
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  Speaker 1: my man, stephen A. Smith, what's going on, man, I'm
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: doing really good. Steven there, you know, uh, you know,
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I know. He just finished a couple of hours on
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: first take. So the energy is up there, you know
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: every day you let me tell you so, stephen A
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: going into the show because you're pretty laid back guy,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: You're not. You're not the guy we see on TV
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: for two hours, correct, No, not for two not the
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: guy you see on you know for two hours. I
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: know how to wind down and relax and be a
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: little mellow. I paced myself and could serve my energy
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: for one It's time. I'm very big on that and
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: it's really important because of the fact that you have
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: so much to say, but sometimes it's all about sports,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: and you know, and you know, I also have conversations
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: about hey man, I want to tell a different story
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: about my life. And so there's rumors there's a book
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: in the making. And why do you feel it's important
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that you write a book. Well, I think there's a
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: lot of people that you know, talk about me, and
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of things to say, But there
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: are a lot of things that I don't talk about
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: on television or radio. There's a lot of things that
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: I don't get into particularly as extensively as I would
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: get into it, uh And and as ittains to a book.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: So you know, people have been on me. You're one
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: of those people that have been all over me of
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: our writing a book for years and years and years.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And so I finally, you know, during you know, once
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: this coronavirus UH kicked in and obviously the sports world
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and the world overall has been brought to a halt um.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: It's given me an opportunity to reflect and where where's
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are going through some hard times.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: All of us are to some degree an incredible adjustment
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: that we all have to make. I also look for
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: opportunities when they present themselves, and the opportunity to sit down,
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: to hunker down and to be a bit introspective, uh
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: and and really really get into what I want to say,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: why I want to say things that I want to say,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: and how I want to go about thing is this,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: This coronavirus situation has afforded me the opportunity to be
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: more introspective than I've ever been. And as a result,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: instead of thinking about the hustle and bustle that exists
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: in the real world, it allowed me to step back,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: be a bit introverted and come out, you know, swinging
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: run It's time right, you know, you're you know really
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the thing that I always enjoyed when I talk to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: you is about giving. And you understand the role of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the employer and the employee, and you always promote employees
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: giving one cent to the employee. Explained to us exactly
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: what you mean by that, Well, if you're working for
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: somebody else, you're not winning unless your employer wins. And
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I understand, and I've learned to understand that the hard
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: way through trials and tribulations that I've endured in my career,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you're not winning. If your employer is losing, you must
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: first ensure their success and then master how to reach
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: the benefits from it. That's it's really a two pronged
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: agenda that you should have. You shouldn't be about the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: business of getting yours without getting these because that's not
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: winners due. And you shouldn't be about the business of
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: ensuring that they get the is but ignoring yourself, because
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: that's not when what winners do either. It's the collaborate.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: It's the collaboration of both ideas, agendas, et cetera coming
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: together that breeds true success. And even if you became
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur, it's like thinking about your bottom line without
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: thinking about the consumer that you're looking to patronize your product.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. You can't possibly win as
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: an entrepreneur if you're not giving the consumer what they covered,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: because in the end, you're not gonna have any kind
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of sustained success because you paid attention to your needs
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: instead of paying attention to the needs of others. And
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: when you learn to pay attention to the needs of others,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that ultimately it breeds success because again, you thought about
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: something not instead of yourself, but something that extends the
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: yawned yourself, thereby ensuring the success of a multitude of
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: people as opposed to you. So if the ultimately hit
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: a pitfall, whole bunch of folks that you initiated successful,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: that you've benefited, not that you just benefited Trump, but
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: you made sure they've benefited from you. You have them
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: incentivized to uplift you and to not keep you lying down. Well,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: that means that basically even in because we always think
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: about it, you know, from an employee in forty hours week,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I go do my time and you're saying, hey, do
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: your time. If you do more than your time, you
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: give then the benefits of the employer, of which means
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: that that company can sustain yourself longer, which means that
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: may be raises, maybe promotions available. But if you we're on,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: if you're on giving fifties, then who is that benefited.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: It's not gonna benefit you. That's basically what you And
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: that's one of the important reasons why I always promote
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: a career instead of a job, because the job is doing.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: What you have to do is to sustain or elevate
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: your quality of life for the career is doing what
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: you want to do, and it's just as to do
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: those things as well. And the reason why the career
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: is important because the job is when you punch in
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: the clock, you're looking at how much time you have
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: to dedicate to this particular pass at hand, and the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: days are longer and the hours are longer, and just
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: to plight of your responsibilities are far more arduous and cumbersome.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: As a result of that, you can't possibly be given
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: a full fledged effort because you're operating devoid of enthusiasm.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: But when you're doing the things that you want to do,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: you're not paying as much attention to the clock, the time,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: the commitment that is required because you're enjoying what you're doing,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: and therefore it becomes almost effortless and as a result,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: you're not thinking about the eight hours or the nine
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: hours that you have to put in there. Sometimes you
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: might put in sixty seventy hours a week without even scratching,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: without even batting an eye, because you're doing something that
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you're enjoying. When I find people, you know, people can
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: stead up there and say, okay, he's got some success
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: and know he's earned a little cash. Now and all
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: of this other stuff. But I swear to you are Sean.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: The number one thing that has people envious or jealous
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: of me in my career that I haven't counted is
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: that they know I enjoy my work. They can't say
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: the same in a lot of situations about themselves. It's
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: not the success I read. It's the fact that when
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I've got to bust my tail and work hours upon
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: hours a day, it doesn't seem to phase me. The
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: sacrifices that I have to make, it doesn't seem to
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: phase me. It's not that it's literally true where certain
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: things will phase you that time. I mean, you can
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: get tired, you can get sleepy, you might be sick,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. But overall, buying large, I'm
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: living a good life. It's not because of the money
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: I make. It's because of the enjoyment that I get
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: from earning my money first, and then obviously the money
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: comes after. It really amazing me that you know, when
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: I when I look at your brand, you know and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I've watched you, we known you alone time and uh
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: when we've been both part of personal ups and downs
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: and each other's career and it supported each other in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: both instances. So what makes you so popular now, stephen A?
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: What you know? You know what what what? What? What?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: What made it pop? You know what made you explosive?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: And you know you drop a video goes viral on Twitter.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: You know your your likes and your followers explode on
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Instagram because because in the Instagram account. You just started
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Instagram account like two years ago. Right, it wasn't that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: long ago. There's almost three mania. Well, well, first of all,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: you would know because you're the one that convinced me
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: to start it. That's number one. Uh. Number two, you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: would know a lot about my career because you were
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: there to help me when I was down and out,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: which is why I brought you onto my business manager,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: because you're somebody I can trust. Number three, Um, to
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: answer the question directly, I think people know I'm not
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: a board artist, that I mean what I say, and
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: I say what I mean and they know it, and
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: and and and as a result, I'm trustworthy. It doesn't
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: mean that I'm gonna be right of the time, a
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: devoid of making mistakes or anything like that. It means
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: that people know I don't lollygag. I put forth a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: full fledged effort. I strive to be great at whatever
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I choose to do. I'm relentless in my pursuit of it, and,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: more importantly than anything else, whatever I perceive as my truth,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: based on the information that I have a quiet people
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: know and trust that I'm going to give it to them.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I don't let them down in that regard. Even on
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: the rare occasions when I've been wrong, people see me
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: say I was wrong, period. There's no excuses. This is
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: what it is. And so when you've been count to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: somebody in this damn age full of b s, when
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: you see people around here full of bs you know,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: double talking, trying to take short cut short cut and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and and and basically implement a cliff notes version of
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: things in their life. And then you encounter somebody whose
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: resume and whose persona tells you I'm about anything but
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: your cuts, and I'm gonna be as real and as
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: authentic as I possibly can be. I think the number
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: one ingredients to my success is that people trust me
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: to be exactly who the hell I say I am,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: and they can appreciate that that is absolutely the truth.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: I have not been there, you know, Stephen. I'm trying
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: to do this interview, man, like I don't really know yet.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I'm trying I can get some questions out there. You know,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: you have to tell everybody about our little business together. Man,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to keep you know what I'm not
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: gonna do. What I'm not gonna do. And I've always
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: and I've always been big about that. Listen, there are people.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Do you realize there are people in my business radio
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and in television. There are people who have, for example,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: radio shows and they have partners, but their name is
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: on the radio show and not the partner. Stuff like that.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: I don't operate that way. I'm very, very very big
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: on giving people credit who deserve credit. People are showers.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Timular an interview with my colleague Dan Lebertar to ESPN
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  Speaker 1: just last week, and I was talking about folks that
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  Speaker 1: and and mel Khyper Jr. Was on the air with
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  Speaker 1: me the other day and I was talking about how
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  Speaker 1: he's forgotten more football than I know. Or Dan Lebertar
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  Speaker 1: was one of the people that spearheaded the way for
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  Speaker 1: people like myself to further into this business. And they
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  Speaker 1: don't want to hear stuff like that because you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're humble dudes, very accomplished, but they're embarrassed to some
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  Speaker 1: degree by the praise. I give it to them anyway,
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  Speaker 1: because I know I'm humble, and I want to make
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  Speaker 1: sure to remind people I didn't get here alone. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stay here on top because I intend
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  Speaker 1: to be on top for a long time. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna stay here own the people who helped me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna carry right along with me, because that's how I wrote.
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  Speaker 1: Wendy Williams show You Take It. A couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 1: you appeared on it, and at the end of the show,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it caught your God, she started crying when
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  Speaker 1: you complimented your son. You know, did that catch you off?
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  Speaker 1: What was your reaction to that? I'm sure it was
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  Speaker 1: a good reaction, but it was. It caught me off.
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  Speaker 1: It cut me off guard. I really really appreciated, um.
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciated what I considered to be a very
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  Speaker 1: authentic reaction on her part, because regardless of what she's
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  Speaker 1: going through in her life, or what she's going through
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  Speaker 1: in her life at a particular moment, in particular moments,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, she is a great talent um and
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  Speaker 1: number two, she has always pledged and has displayed and
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  Speaker 1: I'm dying devotion to her son. I know her son
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  Speaker 1: is a fan of mine, that he's a sports fan,
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  Speaker 1: um and and he's already a couple of times I
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  Speaker 1: met him once or twice. He was incredibly kind and
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  Speaker 1: plus he's a young kid on the come up that
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  Speaker 1: has a promise in life ahead of him because of
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  Speaker 1: the life his mama has provided for him. And so
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to pay you know, she was kind
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  Speaker 1: enough to have me on our show, and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to take the opportunity to pay tribute to her um
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  Speaker 1: as a mom by just showing her son some love.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you know anything about mama's it's very very
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  Speaker 1: important to them that their children received some love. And
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  Speaker 1: so he deserves it. Um, he deserves it, and I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I gave it to him.
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  Speaker 1: But I did not expect that reaction, but I did
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  Speaker 1: consider it very authentic on her part and very very real.
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  Speaker 1: And I was honored that she had me on her show,
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  Speaker 1: um And I was honored that she was touched by,
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  Speaker 1: you know, my cond words towards her son. Because Wendy
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  Speaker 1: Williams is a person that can't create controversial about the
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  Speaker 1: type of question that she asks and and this interview
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  Speaker 1: was was a powerful interview from the standpoint of you
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  Speaker 1: allowed to be stephen A and she was allowed to
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  Speaker 1: be windy. And it came across as an author any
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  Speaker 1: that what you always talking about maintaining Well, I will
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  Speaker 1: say this, and I'll say this. I understand her reputation
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  Speaker 1: and I get all of that, but you know, there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with saying no comment. There's nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 1: saying I'm not going there, and it's necessary none of
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  Speaker 1: your business. And so she she didn't take me to
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  Speaker 1: that point, but as she took me to that point,
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  Speaker 1: I'm perfectly capable of saying I'm not broaching certain subjects
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  Speaker 1: about my personal life or anything like that. I was
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  Speaker 1: glad that she didn't do it, But if she had
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  Speaker 1: done it, it would not have surprised me because that's
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  Speaker 1: part of her show. And and and in fairness to her,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like she's blindsiding you with it. That's her show,
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  Speaker 1: that's who she is. And if and if you come
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  Speaker 1: on a show, you know, it's not like folks didn't know.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of times hosts get discredited and maligned
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  Speaker 1: for being who they are. People knew exactly what they
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: were walking into, chose to walk into it anyway, and
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: then the blame her. I'm not down with that at all.
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  Speaker 1: I knew what the end ofview was going to be about.
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  Speaker 1: She was very honest and forthcoming about what the subject
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  Speaker 1: matter was going to be. She stayed true to that,
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  Speaker 1: and I respect and I appreciate rather the level of
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  Speaker 1: respect that she showed me, and I'm thankful for it.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's get into a little basketball here. The Last
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  Speaker 1: Dances is out there and a documentary, a documented series
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't now Shock. They had three straight championship with
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  Speaker 1: the Lakers rolling on the debate and you're saying that
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: shocks Lakers. That's with Kobe yep. I couldn't do anything
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  Speaker 1: with the Bulls her name J and no, no, now
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  Speaker 1: with the now, with the Bulls in their prime nowhere
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  Speaker 1: on earth, they would have got destroyed. Okay, cool, Let's
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  Speaker 1: let's just break that down. So you had Shack. Who's
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: gonna hold Shack? Well, first of all, nobody's gonna hold Shock.
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  Speaker 1: But Shock was gonna hold himself at the free throw
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  Speaker 1: line because he was shooting about so free throws alone
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  Speaker 1: on well, one thing, you have to also take into
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  Speaker 1: account that Chicago had at least the three sometimes a
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  Speaker 1: four headed monster. Why does that matter with the big
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  Speaker 1: boys because they had two fouls to give, So in
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  Speaker 1: other words, you could have fouled Check all day long
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  Speaker 1: and he had just missed free throws. Kobe wasn't yet
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  Speaker 1: in his prime. He was a young, tremendous talent, but
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  Speaker 1: he hadn't really honed in his skill as a superb
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  Speaker 1: basketball player and the second greatest point off guard and
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  Speaker 1: it is to be a basketball until later on, not
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  Speaker 1: before that particular moment in time. Number four, Michael Jordan's
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  Speaker 1: was not only a prolific scorer, averaging thirty a game
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  Speaker 1: and thirty three per game in the postseason. And not
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  Speaker 1: even remember Magnew, Jordan's averaged one point seven three point
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  Speaker 1: shots per game in his career. So he averaged over
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  Speaker 1: thirty a game shooting two points. Okay, in this era,
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  Speaker 1: you don't see that. And then considering the road travel
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  Speaker 1: to prosperity, having a toughen yourself up to go through
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  Speaker 1: the likes of the Detroit Pistons, if you recall, if
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  Speaker 1: you recall Shaquille O'Neil, got swept in the finals by
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  Speaker 1: her Kim and dream of Lodge one and the Houston Rockets.
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  Speaker 1: Your Houston Rockets, Kenny Smith, Rob Dorry, and Maxwell Sam
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  Speaker 1: could sell a Lodge one these boards. It wasn't on
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  Speaker 1: Chicago's level. Let's be clear about that, Okay. So when
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  Speaker 1: we look at it from that perspective and Jordan and
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  Speaker 1: Pippot's ability to defend, along with the other guys that
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: just played their roles, the Lakers would not have won
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: more than one game in the series against them. It
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: would have been similar, very similar to what the Detroit
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: Pistons did to Shaq and Kobe and the Lakers in
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Well, then let's go to the
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  Speaker 1: early years of magic Byron Scott, Michael Cooper. Kareem I
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  Speaker 1: fueled your ball. That would have been That would been
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: a far more tougher matchup because of Kareem, because there
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: was no answer for Karine. You wasn't gonna send Kareem
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  Speaker 1: to the free throw line. He was gonna miss it
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: the de end of the time. He's the lone individual
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  Speaker 1: to all time leading scorer in NBA history and the
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  Speaker 1: only person in the history of basketball was one unstoppable move,
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  Speaker 1: which was Scott Hook. There was no answer for that.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: That would have been problematic. Here's what I can tell you.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: That fast break that you saw for the Los Angeles
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Lakers that would not have happened against That would not
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  Speaker 1: have happened against the Bulls because Scottie Pippen remembered that
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: even though Magic was younger and it wasn't. The key
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  Speaker 1: to that series after Chicago and Laws gained one to
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  Speaker 1: the Lakers was that Scottie Pippen picked up on Magic
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  Speaker 1: four feet. No one did that to Magic, and if
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: you recall, part of Magic's greatness was that Magic was
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  Speaker 1: six nine, so he could look over opposing point guards
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  Speaker 1: to run an offense and to make those phenomenal passes
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: that he made with Pipping in front of him, he
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  Speaker 1: would not have been able to do that. But that's
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  Speaker 1: where your problem a lot. So I would tell you
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  Speaker 1: that the Lakers would have given them more trouble with Worthy,
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  Speaker 1: Kareem Magic, Cooper, Byron gott In, those boys, they would
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  Speaker 1: have gave it them. They would have gave them more trouble.
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  Speaker 1: But I would not bet against Jordan's because Jordan's and
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  Speaker 1: Pippen's defense was so phenomenal it would have been a problem.
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  Speaker 1: Cool and that's that's that's really great now when we
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: look at the show first take, you know, it was
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: a groundbreaking show when it first came out, and now
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: it seems to be emulated everywhere on ESPN, on Fox Sports.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: When Skip Bayliss left the show, what were your thoughts
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: when you left the show and what are your thoughts
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: now being how big the show has grown and your
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: brain is grown and really become the phenomenal talent that
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: you are today. I was I have mixed emotions. Um,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I was not worried about Skip affecting me and what
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I do want to air because I don't predicate my
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  Speaker 1: abilities or my success on what other people are doing.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I'm always prepared to carry my own load. But I
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: had mixed emotions because on one hand, I knew the
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  Speaker 1: show would be on my shoulders. I would be captain
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: of the ship. The profile would be primarily, if not exclusively,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: on my shoulders, and that would elevate my profile, but
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: also elevate the level of scrutiny that came in my direction,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: which was fine. The flip side to it is that
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: I was genuinely going to miss my man, uh Skip Bayless.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I would not have been on first Stake if it
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: were not for Skip Baylis. Skip Baylors asked me to
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: do the show. He they would never have put me
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: on the show if Skip Baylors didn't insist that he
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: wanted me on the show. Because at that time I
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: had had it fallen out with ESPN over a contract dispute.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: I was going for a couple of years. When I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: came back, initially they didn't even allow me to be
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: on television apprest year, I was strictly I was restricted
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: to radio. It was Skip Bayliss that thought to have
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: me on TV, and Jamie Harror with the executive reducer
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: of the show, ultimately co signed on that and as
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: a result the Hanchos that ESPN decided to capitulate to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: their wishes and bring me on the show. So I
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: hold my presence, offers take to Skip Baylors. But then
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: also what people don't realize is that you could call
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: it a foil or whatever the case may be. I'm
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: a counterpuncher one minute, I can punch the next or
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. With Skip on the show,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: with me, I have the ability to swing for the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: fences because I got somebody that's in the trenches with
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: me that does not care about what anyone has to
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: say if he believes what he truly believes. And that's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: exactly how I think. There was no such thing not
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: show the show, not week to week, a month and month,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: literally segment to segment. I could be the bad guy
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: one segment, he was the bad guy another. When the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: show ended, we were equally loved and equally hated, and
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: we were in it together. Max Kellerman is a tremendous,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: tremendous talent. He slarters a whip, highly educated, Ivy League
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: school education, the whole bit, does his homework, works, knows
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: what he's talking about, and I like him genuinely as
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: a person. The only issue I have with Max is
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: that for the purpose of the first take is that
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: where skipping. I don't give a damn about what anybody
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: has to say. Max kid is tremendously about what people
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: have to say. If you don't vibe with me and
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: you don't have the same opinion as I have, or
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: skip as we could give less than a dam If
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: you don't agree with Max. Max is like, how can
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: you not agree with me? And feels this insatiable appetite
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: to explain to you why he's right, thinking that he
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: can convince you, Skipp, and I don't care to convince you.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: I think that makes an ideal mix. It's not better
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: or worse on anything, but it's an ideal mix that
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: I don't believe can be duplicated. And that's why he
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: will always be my brother. We will always be tight
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: because I would not be where I am today, um
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: if it were not for first take, and there would
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: have been no first take for me if Skip. Remember
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: he didn't sign off on it. He pushed for it,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: He insisted on it and asked me to do it.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it, he asked me to
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: do it. First take is Stephen A Smith. It's all
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: about Skip Baker's congratulations. Uh, Stephen. A Game of Thrones
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: ended last year, mets a lot of controversy. Everybody hated
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: the ending, and Uh, I didn't like the Indian either.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: So you can put me in and everybody hated. You
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: can put me in that clip. Put him in that clip, Homeland.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: When you know we're talking about this show, A lot
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: of Clara Danes to start the show, Chief phenomenal, phenomenal.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: Now they finally happened, and I'm gonna tell you this.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: It was a couple of times in the show that
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I almost turned it off because I was frustrated by
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: the direction it was taking the lead character, Claire. But
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: in the end, I thought it was a fantastic Finally
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: your thoughts, so did I. I thought the ending was
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: phenomenal because you looked at what happened and her betrayed I,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I know, without even asking you when you wanted to
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: change the channel, her willingness to, you know, do that
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: to Saul, ultimately ultimately compromising him. You know, the thing
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: about it is, is this when you think about Saul
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: and what he has done for her and what he
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: has meant to her. For her to betray him that way,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: although it was to prevent a war and prevent millions
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: of people from dying, you know, and in the same breath,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: it's still disgusted you that she would do that to him,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: But for it to end with her saying with us,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: sending him that note letting him know I'm fine for
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: you now I replaced your asset in Russia. I thought
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: that was a phenomenal ending. And then left room obviously
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: for Homeland to come back the end of It's not
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: the end after all. While you know something if that
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: was like a brilliant writer move, you know, I was like,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. Um, you know, it was
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: like it was a couple of episodes when he said,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: when Saul said that, you know, she's the most He's
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: she's the most single minded person I've ever met in
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: my life. And they carried that through the final episodes
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: when she's on the mission the bigger picture, right, Do
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: I have a minute to give you an analogy? Absolutely?
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: The ending was so profound for me, not just because
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: of that, but because of hers sitting next to her
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: boyfriend who was the Russian spot and smiling and laughing,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: but also the smirk that came over Saul states at
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: the end, And what I compared that too. If you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: ever remember the movie The Kingdom with Jamie fox and
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: in the and it's a phenomenal movie and Jamie Foxx
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: was phenomenal in it. He tells the former girl for Alias.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: He tells her they said, what did you say to
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: her after her boyfriend had gotten killed? Early in the movie,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Jamie fox said, I said, We're gonna kill him all.
• 1:23:19
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• 1:23:22
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• 1:23:26
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• 1:23:29
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• 1:23:32
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• 1:23:37
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• 1:23:41
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• 1:23:45
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• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: in the Middle East is not going anywhere in this
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: faith said it all. That was what Homeland was like
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: last night. It was. It was a great ending. It
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: was a great like I said, you know me, man,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: I was, I was looking at the show man, I
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: was like, I was struggling. I said, if I can't
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: believe this, man, I can't even believe And I hugging
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: at Stephen there hugging and that went great ending, great ending.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: If you're fan of the show's definitely something I'm gonna
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: watch twice, maybe three times, because it's that that great,
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• 1:24:20
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  Speaker 1: six straight Sundays you at nine pm. You can find
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  Speaker 1: Time and Pacific Time. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation
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  Speaker 1: with our trademarks Blacky, blonde hair and puffed up personality,
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  Speaker 1: My girl and Barrel. How are you doing? Andi? Hi?
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  Speaker 1: How are you? Why? Great? Great? Uh? And I'm telling
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  Speaker 1: you know, with this pandemic, I've been watching a lot
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: of food okay being cooked on the and it's great
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  Speaker 1: to have you back on the show. Tell us about
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: this new season that's coming up. You know, I know
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  Speaker 1: some bad cooks before you get started. How do they do?
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  Speaker 1: You know how they select these bad cooks who are celebrities. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think that they they nominate themselves, either they nominate
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: themselves or someone they know nominate them. And it's so
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: funny whenever we do the celebrity edition, I'm like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: looks celebrities. They're just like us. They don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to cook either, do. We tend to put them on
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: a pedestal of specially talented people like superheroes, and we
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  Speaker 1: realize they don't have they have. They lack the same
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: skills a lot of everyday people lack. It's almost like
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: you're lying that can't be true, but it really is,
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  Speaker 1: and you've seen it over and over again. Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: sure have. And you know it's so funny because I
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  Speaker 1: think sometimes the steaks are even higher for celebrities because
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  Speaker 1: they're used to having their you know, their celebrity be
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  Speaker 1: the face of what America sees or you know, the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: world sees, and when they get into the kitchen. In
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: our boot camp on Worth Cooks, there is no celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: The stove does and care if you're a celebrity. They
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  Speaker 1: don't care if you're not. The stove is the great
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  Speaker 1: equalizer and they're not playing a part. It's it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's real and it's exactly what is that person going
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  Speaker 1: to do at the stove. And so sometimes I think
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: celebrities don't realize, um, exactly how real and how hard
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: this show is. And I'm like, I don't care if
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of that celebrity. I'm still going to
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  Speaker 1: teach them how to cook, just the same as if
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: I would teach anyone else how to cook. So um,
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  Speaker 1: it gets it. You know, it's really something very difficult
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: and very hard that we asked them to do. But
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: they come out of it the other on the other
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  Speaker 1: end being like, wow, I really learned so much and
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  Speaker 1: I will have these skills now and I really appreciate
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: everything that I've learned here. Well you have this season Recruso,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: Will Will's Adams, Johnny Bananas, David Coolier who's a medium,
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  Speaker 1: very talented communion right away and also from a family
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  Speaker 1: times family Family matters right, and I think it was
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: full house, full house, that's right, a different show. I apologize,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: I got the kids just your family matters was the
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  Speaker 1: Black family, the family. Let me let me give let
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  Speaker 1: me give my racial barriers to get get game playing together. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and uh Bridget Everett, Robert Gibbets, you know, famous actress,
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  Speaker 1: and uh Sanja Sanja Sanja Morgan and Brian what is
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: what is Briant's last name? B O s E h E.
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  Speaker 1: And I couldn't I want him say that publicly because
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: I don't want to mess it up. He was he
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  Speaker 1: cracked me up. He was really quite somebody. Um. He
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: was kind of like to me, he was like, you know,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: do you know what a sloth looks like? That moves
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  Speaker 1: so smile. I really enjoyed him. I actually really enjoyed everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And I really thought that, like Johnny Bananas was going
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: to drive me insane because he you know, he's over
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  Speaker 1: the top outrageous. Um. But I really, I really did
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  Speaker 1: appreciate him. Sonya Morrigan. I mean there's a lot going
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: on with her. I mean, I just I want to
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: know how many people are in her head with her
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: very crowded there right. Well, you know the thing about
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: it is that this is what I've learned from the show,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: is that they really, um I want to learn how
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  Speaker 1: to cook. They really I don't know how to cook,
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: and there is a degree of embarrassment because they don't
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: know that they've realized they are that bad, because you know,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: people can tell you can't cook and used to go
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  Speaker 1: to the restaurant and buy some food. But when you
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  Speaker 1: own camera and you and you put under demanding schedule
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: to produce, that's, like you said earlier, that's when the
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  Speaker 1: reality hits you. I really am bad, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: want Yes, I don't really want to be this bad
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  Speaker 1: on film on tape, right. I mean it is a
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: big fat ghost of humbull pie that I serve up
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  Speaker 1: to them, um. And but you know, like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: done with the best intentions, like what I like to
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: call tough love that you know, we'll laugh about it,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna be honest with them too that like,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: this wasn't your best um situation that you've done here,
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: but um, you've also improved in this in this in
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: this way, So I'm honest but also encouraging. Well, here
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: we're talking to Amberrell. Food Networks Worst Cooking Work Cooks
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  Speaker 1: in America Celebrity Edition. It's a prime time sure where
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  Speaker 1: and leads a team of hopeless celebrity cooks from around
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  Speaker 1: the country through I guess cool and ary boot camp.
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  Speaker 1: Then you know they come in there, did you guys
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  Speaker 1: give them do your half a mile here and do
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: you let them know what they may they may be
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  Speaker 1: cooking at everything you just told when they get there. No, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we give them it's everything. I mean. I it's my
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: mission to keep this show as real as it possibly
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: can can be in terms of a reality show. So
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: they don't know what's coming ahead, They don't know what
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: their next challenge is going to be. Um, you know,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: they they we but in that vein, we do everything
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: that we can to make sure that we teach them
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  Speaker 1: everything that they need to know. It's not like we
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: try to trick them and give them stuff, you know,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: to make them look worse. Like I give them every
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: piece of information they need to know. Um, as I
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: tell them, you know, I will give you all the
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: tools you need to use to be successful. It is
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: up to you to pick them up and use them. Okay,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: so some people are better than that at other Okay,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Now there's a payoff of the most improved star left
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: standing at the finale. When it's dollars for the charity
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: that hors and bragging nights, bragging rights for their for
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: their team and so so. So that's the payoff. You know,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: they get through the boot camp and they get to
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: give this twenty five dollars to their charity and so.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: But but it's still entertainment. It still is a learning
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: curve for I'm gonna tell you and you're you're I'm
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: a big fan of yours. You have taught me many
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: things as far as because like, you know, I know
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: how to bake now I'm award winning baker. But cooking
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: is you know, you have to be on your game
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: when you cook. And so because you know you can't
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: know you know, you can't make any mistakes. Really, you
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: gotta be on point. So as a leader, as a
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: person who's famous for a famous share for famous personality,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: what do you find the most difficult part of hosting
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: this type of show? Well, um, I mean, you know
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: when people come in and they're going to be a
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: prima donna in the kitchen, that just doesn't go well
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: with me. They have to like just they're gonna have
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: to check their egos out the door. Um, and that
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: sometimes is a little challenging for people. Um Or you know,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: celebrities mostly, um, but I feel like it's it's when
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I say things over and over and over again and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: people still don't like listen or pay attention. I'm like,
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything I can to teach you, but
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be it's you know, I can only take
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: you fifty percent of the way there. If you're not
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: going to bring your fifty percent to the table, then
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: you're just you're there's not gonna be any room for
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: you left here. That's really, that's really because you know,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this about the show what I see
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: and I enjoy about you being host because I do
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: see real emotion from you, I see real passion. I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: don't see your real authentic on the show. You know,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: you if you don't want people to come on the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: show and kind of like fluffed this or play games,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: because the fact that the reality is there are other
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: people on the show who are serious about trying to
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: compete for this t hours and if you're gonna be
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: a prima donna, why did you want to do the
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: show anyway? You know, you know this is not Dancing
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: with the Stars. You know this is you know, people
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: watch the show. They learned from the show I'm talking
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: about as a as a viewer, I watch and learned.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: I learned from bad technique. I learned from good technique.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: You know, this is a bad version of child what
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, but you learned, Oh I didn't know
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: you could do that that way. That was I've been
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: doing that way too, that was wrong as well. So
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: I've learned to fix some problems that I've been getting
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: away with incorrectly in the kitchen by watching your shows.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: And so so when I so when you when you
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: do these shows, what what what maintains that level of
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: authenticity for you? And when you host these shows? Because
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: they are popular, But there's a bottom line to it,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: isn't it right? I mean to me, I will bend
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: over backwards to help anyone that I see really cares
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: and that is really really trying, you know, like they
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: there might be other people that it comes a little
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: bit more naturally for and they're kind of like Withdrew it,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, great, you got it. But um,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: if there's someone that's not doing as well as other people,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: but I see that they really are trying so hard
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: and earnestly care about what they're doing. I will do
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: everything I can. I will spend more time with them.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I will you know, sort of lead them through the process.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I will remind them of what things they need to do.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: I'll even help them a tiny bit, you know, so
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: in terms of because you know, there's a cloth on
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: all of this. Also, so it's not only we're doing
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: something you don't know how to do. Um, you're cooking
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: in a kitchen that you don't know where everything is.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Everything is new to you, and we put a timer
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: on it. It's incredibly stressful. But that's also what makes
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: it so fun. And I think what also makes it
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: so fun is that people watching at home are like,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: oh god, that's a mistake I wouldn't make, but or
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made, but now that I just saw
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: that person do it, Um, I won't make that mistake.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: That's just say I'm right about yourself. Absolutely. The thing
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: about it the two questions I want to ask the
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: person that all the episodes you've shot and taped and
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: worked with, what celebrity improved the most in the kitchen
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: under under your tape of the show. Would you say um? Surprisingly,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I would say um, And I was shocked at this myself.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: Um was um Mike the situation from the Jersey I
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: saw that. I saw several episodes, didn't see the final,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: but I remember when he was on the show. I
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: would have thought that he did not make it all
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: the way to the end, but he I think he
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: made it to like second place on the Red Team.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: And um, I mean the first day I saw him,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: after the first dem um, I just saw him screwing
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: around and he wasn't taking notes or anything. And so
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: when the camera stopped rowing, I think I scared him
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: a little bit and I was like, so you're not
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: going to take this seriously, I will put you right
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: back on the train or whatever the bridge and chunnel
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: that you came over with, and I will send you
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: right back to New Jersey if you're not going to
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: take this seriously. And he was like, oh my. And
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: so then the next day he came in and he
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: was taking notes. He was such a team player, he
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: was so cute and sweet about it that he really
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: did just want to learn and he just wanted like
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: sort of you know, approval, and he like he put
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: his real heart and soul into it so that one
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: I have to say, really hurt me to send home.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: And had so many people, so many celebrities that I've
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: loved that I've been so pleasantly surprised by. I mean,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: it really is. There's really so many good feelings that
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: happened on the show. Well, you know, I enjoyed the show,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm so happy I was able to get you
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: back on the show to talk about it, because I
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: enjoyed both your brand. You're just a genuinely nice person.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: I've never met you, but you come across as a
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: genuinely nice person and a passionate person. Now when I
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: see passion, that always compels me. There's a high level
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: of authenticity and that's what you carry. You know, you're
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: more than just a spiky hair, blonde lady that you
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: got a lot of You got you got more going
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: on than that, and I really appreciate you coming on
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: my show. I'm talking to a Barrel. She's the star
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: Worst Cooks in America Celebrity Edition, the premiering this Sunday,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: May tenth and May tent May tenths at nine pm
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: Eastern and Pacific time on Food Network. And anything to
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: say before you go, um, well, I would just say
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more um sort of trials and tribulations
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: and fun starting this weekend on Sunday night, which is
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: also Mother's Day. So cheers to all the mothers out
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: there to you. And also I just want to say
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: thank you to everyone who are the people on the
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: front lines out there, all the medical workers and all
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: the people that are working in grocery stores and stuff
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: and just working to kind of help things keep moving
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: forward in this crazy time. And I hope everyone stays
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: safe and stays healthy and stays distant. Social distancing is
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: the key. And thank you for coming on the show.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: I know you're busy, I know we're in some unusual times.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: We want portantly allowed me an opportunity to talk to
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: you gain because everything I say about you is very
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: honest statements. And I will promote this is using all
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: my assets, my social media, my fan club, list, everything
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: into my website, because you deserve what you get, young lady,
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: because you've hearned it, you've heard it, and uh, well
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: you're very sweet. And just before I go, I would
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: just like to say how much I really appreciated, appreciate
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: the opening of your show to say how you know
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: don't get other people's path, make your own path that
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: you can admire people. But I very much appreciate your words,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: my friend, and it's always a joy to be on
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: your show. Okay, we talked to this Ambarrel, she's Food
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Network star. And we're live here outside the Perez family home,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: just waiting for the and there they go, almost on time.
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  Speaker 1: This morning. Mom is coming out the front door strong
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: with a double arm kid carry. Looks like Dad has
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: the bags. Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh but
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: the diaper bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: Oh but mom has just nailed the perfect car seat
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: buckle for the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: looks to be about nine or ten, has secured herself
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: and the booster seat. Dad zips the bad clothes and
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: they're off. But looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: cup is still on the roof of the car, and
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: there it goes. That's a shame that mug was a
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  Speaker 1: Um It's an Australian extress. She has made her mark
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: in film and television in both Australia and Hollywood. I
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: personally fell in love with her talents from watching her
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: and three of my favorite movies Pitch Black starring Vin
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: diesel Man, On Fire star in Denzel Washington and Dakota Fannie,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: and the horror movie Silent Hell. She's on the show
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: today discuss the upcoming new movie Dream Catcher. Thank you
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: that you can catch you on right now. You can
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: catch it right now on video on demand. Please welcome
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations. Roda Mitchell. How you doing? Hey good?
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: Hell are you? I'm doing pretty good? You know, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's really interesting that I every week I sit out
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: with my staff and and we go over potential guests
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: for the show. And because my show is my entrepreneurship
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: and taming and so basically the looking at my life.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I've been in management and corporate uh, corporate marketing and branding,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: and I try to bring interviews on the show that
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: shows a different lifestyle at different point of view, and
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: I try to get them to tell their story. And
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: your story, I always felt was a compelling one because
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: of the fact that you you Australia Hollywood. That's a
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: that's a major move, that's a transition. So you have
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: to follow your dream. You had to believe in your dream.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us about the whole aspect of wanting
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: to be Did you want to be a movie star?
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Did you want to be an actress all your life? Rada?
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: I mean as a kid, I had a few fantasies,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: and one of them certainly was to be a Hollywood actress.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: But you know, I think that's every little girl's kind
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: of um idea at some point in their life, um
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: and then consuing it. I think by the time I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: finished high school, I I kind of knew that I
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: wanted to be an actress, but I kind of wanted
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: to just travel the world, and I wanted to be
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: a photographer for a while, um National geographic photographer. So
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: I really wanted to keep an open mind. You still
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: have that steal these starts talent that the desire to do.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: You still have to scale with the camera. They want
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: to take those take photos. I was studying photography in
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: school and I was like doing really well. But then
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't get into this course that I wanted to
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: get into, and so I was a bit put off
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: by that, but I am I went to Indonesia for
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: months and read this book An Actor Prepares Stanislavski and
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: that sort of. It was kind of a serious book
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: about you know, serious acting. That it got me motivated.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: And when I was a little kid, I've done a
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: TV show. So I had an agent from this time
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: when I was twelve doing this TV show for six months.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: So I went back to this agent and I said, Hi,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I finished school now, and can you get
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: me a job? The Hey, can you give me a job?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: We're back to an agent for Joe that you did
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: one time only right, Well, it was a six months
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: show and it was like we were kids, but I
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: was not really into it. When I was a kid,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: I was a bit shy, so I wanted to just
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: finish school, so I did. Then I wanted to try
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: to like travel the world and you know, take a
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: year and just see everything, and my mom was not
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: into it. She wanted me to go to university. So
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: I ended up starting studying media and literature at this
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: university in Melbourne and sort of uh doing the odd
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: acting job that I was getting through this agent. So
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: you know, I got really weird because my mom decided
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: to go to university the same university as mere sitcom,
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: Right Mom, at the same school you went, right Mom,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: at the same school that was really narrating anyway. So
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: I started doing the night classes and sometimes I'll be
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: acting during the day on this a couple of TV
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: series and stuff. At around the time of finishing the
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: degree is Arts degree. A film that a friend of mine. Um,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: it's very little like dollar film and somebody's father put
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: money into it, but it was coming out of this
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: film school in Melbourne and it had like a young
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: director who was just finishing up her her film school degree.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: And we're all a bunch of us were living in
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: a sharehouse and we ended up making this film and
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: the film ended up getting sold to Fox Searchlight. So
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: a few of us who were in the film were
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: like invited to go to the can Film Festival, so
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: you know when we've never been to I've never been
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: to any film festival, not even the mil the top
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: dollars that's really nice, but everywhere you look at fabulous.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure fabulous. Well, we had a great time. There
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: was three girls and we're all like sort of starring
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: in this movie and um, and the director and the
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: producer and so I think it was Anthony Lapolio, this
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Australian actor who um introduced me to my manager or
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: to a manager who I think he was actually leaving.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: That's why. That's that's how you do it. Now. Okay,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: look I'm about to go, but I got somebody else
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: for me. It was great. So I met this manager
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: in Come and I think we were there. We were
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: there for like a week, and then I had a
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: ticket around the world ticket. Um, so I got to
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: go from there to London, and I was invited to
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: audition for something in London which didn't pan out, and
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: then I had the ticket went to New York and
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: in l A. And then I had a grandmother at
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: the time who was living in l A. I've never
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: been to in America, but I had a few phone
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: numbers now from this film festival to like meet people
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: in New York. So you have you have some numbers now,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: so now you can come at least call somebody, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: so I had some phone numbers, UM, people that were
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: somewhat related to the film industry, and then just people
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: who were friends with my friends from Melbourne. I stayed
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: at this actually, I said, in this girl's apartment in
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Harlem for like a week or two in New York UM.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: And then I went to l A. UM, and that's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: where I sort of stayed with my grandmother, UM, who
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: was a bit sort of grumpy, but UM said they
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: got to know each other. We didn't really know each other,
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: y UM. And and then so that was sort of
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: the trip, and then it was time to go back
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: to Melbourne. The reality of where it comes from. UM.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: But I had from all of that just this idea. Oh,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: because I had met Danny Boyle, who was one of
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: my favorite directors in the l A trip, and there
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: was a tasting agent from from here from l A
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: who had sort of contacted the Australian agent. So there
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: was something of an introduction to meet somebody in l A.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: And that's how I met um, Danny Boyle. So then
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: by the time I got back to Melbourne, I realized,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: you know, every was happening over here. If I could
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: just get back right that's frustrating, right, you know, you know,
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: you know you're back, but it's not back where you
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: need to be. You need to get back to the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: other back right, which was all yeah, so that I
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: needed money, I aren't going to get there, you know.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know it just out of school.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: So I told this agent, but I just want to
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: do a soap because I knew that you could. There's
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: this television soap in Melbourne called Neighbors and it's been
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: known for years or something just never ends and they
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: keep recycling characters. So I, um, I gone on to
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: the show and I had a part for like six months,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: so that allowed me to um come back. And also
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: at that point, this little film that I was telling
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: you about was now going to go to the Sundance
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: Film Festival, so I have something to come back to
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: talk about. And so that's sort of how it all began.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: But you know, the money in your pocket the Sunday
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: It's festival, you're looking good, feeling good? Okay? If good, no,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Grandma cool. It was all did have an adventure, you know, um,
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: and most of it just should have planned out of
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: the suitcase. But I didn't really care whether it worked
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: or didn't. I was sort of you know, it was
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: an adventure in any case, Well, you're The thing about
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: it is that when I hear your story, I just
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: hear just you know, no, you just you just trusted yourself.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: You wanted to follow your dreams, and a lot of
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: people get caught up in one. Okay, like your mom said,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: I want you to go to school. Okay, you know,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: like my degree is a mathemat like that, and I'm
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: glad I didn't because, um, even as an actor, I
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: think it's interesting to have a more sort of have
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: a broad sort of source of knowledge. But you know,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: you can having studied archaeology and or just obscure things
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: that I studied for this degree, UM just gave me
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: a certain perspective that I might not have had if
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: I had it just focused only on acting. Um. So
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: that's good. So let's talk about let's talk about some
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: things here about your new project here because I want
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: to because I want to talk about a couple of
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: my favorite movies because I see them all the time.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: But I dream Catcher, which I'm assuming there's another horror movie. Correct, Okay, cool, Now,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: when I saw you in Silent Hill, basically, you know,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: you know, you you were traveling in this town with
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: your daughter. You're another ghost like daughter a period in
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: front of your car, your car on into a span
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: and then you stop, you open the door to your
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: daughter's gone, your real daughter's gone, and so you you
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: ventured into this town called Silent Here. So the reason
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: I bring that up because it's basically it's basically a
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: movie that's uh, it's carried on your single emotion and
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: your interaction. And that's what made me scary to me
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: because you your quest was to find your daughter, but
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: you were in an environment that you couldn't control. How
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: do you get there emotionally for a role like that,
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: When you're talking about horror, you're talking about characters that
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: don't exist. How do you get there? Right? How do
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: we do that? I mean, yeah, a lot of times
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: we were acting with tennis balls, um we had these.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: There were some amazing um props, Like there was some
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: amazing monsters that were on set and people. Yeah, there
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: was like I don't know if you remember the child
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: monster in the attacking on the fences, there was a
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: woman who was very small and she was wearing that
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: suit so she had a little hole in the suit
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: to breathe through, so then they multiplied that in special effects.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: But there was really one of those great children for real,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: and she this patient woman who sat in that suit
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: all day long for that part of the shoot. So
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: some of it you had to imagine. In other parts
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: of the nightmare were you know, very much visually present. Um.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: So it was kind of a mix um. But how
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: to how to get into that frame of mind? I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think we've all had nightmares. Well I
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: think that did. You had a good job that you're
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: scared me. You're scared of grown man here, Okay, because
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: I felt sorry for I thought they're gonna snatch you
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: up there, rad. You know what they did, dude, there
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: was a technique like for that active surprise and shock.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: It's really hard to fake that, you know. I'm still
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: we like make loud noises and we get someone on
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: set to like I don't think they were firing guns,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: but they were like snacking things together so that we
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: get a real shock. I mean that's sort of something
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: you do to create a journal and quickly. But it's
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: really hard to act surprised shocked without having something to
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: trigger it. Okay, that you had this this new movie
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: Dream Catcher. You know your your character is forced to
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: come return with your new stepson at a remote country
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: home right there the dot. Do you know the scary
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: part remote? Everything you do in scary movies rather is remote.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: You know when you did when you did Pitch Black remote,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: You're just a remote acting person. When you did you know,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: Man on Fire, you were in Mexico, which was a
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: remote You were captured in the mansion. So you just
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: a remote when I saw you, when I yeah, when
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: I saw you do the Romans, when I saw the
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: episode of The romanofs that you and you know that
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: when you was what I think your son was was
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: sickly and why right right? That was your character there
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: was isolated. You play those isolated roles very well. Rother
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: Farewell interesting. Yeah, I've never really thought about that. Yeah,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: that's this is my question to you. This is my
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: question because the movie Dream Catching with just out right now.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: You can catch it from Lion's Gate Home Entertainment, you
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: can catch it on video on demand. When I look
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: at the talent like you and because you make it real,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: I will tell you when Man on Fire, when you
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: realize that Mark Anthony, who played your husband in the movie,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: was the reason your daughter he was behind the kidnapping.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: That moment, for me is one of my favorite moments
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: in the movie because you win. It was that oh
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: my god moment. You know, that was an oh my
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: god moment. You didn't kill if he lived or died.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: At that point, you know you have been suffering the
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: whole time for your daughter, you know, got lost in
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: the box or Ransom and this fool over here had
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: pedal off your daughter or faith Ransom demand that moment
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: right there. I became a fan. Okay, and then in
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: Pitch Black. But the Pitch Black, I always want you
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: to know, here's a script where when you get the script,
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: you know you're gonna die in that script? Correct, Yeah, okay?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: How do you react when you know what? You get
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: the script in your hand, and who's gonna die? Are
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: they gonna die? You want to die? You know you're
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: not gonna make the sequel if it's a blockbuster, you
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: can in that movie, I was excited to die. I
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: thought it was cool. Uh, in retrospect that just to live,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: But at the time I thought it was cool. I
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: didn't know they were gonna make more and more and
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: more than because you know, it was so funny. It
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: was so funny. It was it was just so funny
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: because I was when I got there, you know, when
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: I when you got confirmed from my show, I went
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: home and I was just going through and then what happened.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: Pitch Black was on. That's why I gotta see the
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: first I remember the first of my remember and so
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: and and then God forgotten that you died in the
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: end of that movie and the way you die, because
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: because if that movie you would you know, you're you're
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: grabbed in diesel. Get up, soldier, get up, You're gonna
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: make it. You're not gonna die. You're not gonna die.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: You know, you know you're you're you're toughen up. In
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: the end, you have their fearless leader, and all of
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: a sudden you got snatched up. I went, oh my god,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: I forgot she died and so and I wanted to
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: ask that question. When you get a script and you
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: know you're gonna die, do you lobby to stick around
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: or you just play out the role? Well, it depends
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: on the project. You don't want to come back? I
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: mean I think, yeah, if you think the c has
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: you know from in retrospect, if you think the thing
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  Speaker 1: is legs, you don't want to die. But yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, sometimes it's such a dramatic, it's
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  Speaker 1: such as from an acting um perspective, it's great, like
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  Speaker 1: it's this amazing kind of rehearsal for the inevitable that
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  Speaker 1: you know, most of us are, you know, unable to
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  Speaker 1: even to talk about. So to like practice your own
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  Speaker 1: death is like an amazing experience. I know, it really is.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's that. Here's my whole thing is that.
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  Speaker 1: And and in this interview, I just want to get
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  Speaker 1: across to you that you obviously you know, you're very
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  Speaker 1: talented because you're you're acting resume says that people book
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  Speaker 1: you and you deliver, uh, you know, deliver from the
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  Speaker 1: romantic side to the to the to the grieving mom
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  Speaker 1: to the scary, scary mom, to the you know, to
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  Speaker 1: the passionate and empowered mom to just a young lady
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  Speaker 1: who wants to make a difference in the world today.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's the characters you played throughout your career. But
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  Speaker 1: what it's always been dynamic for me watching you is
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  Speaker 1: that you can, you know, how to take that isolated
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  Speaker 1: moment and make it relatable and whether it's fear, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, uh the unknown, or just the
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: decision making process, you know, whether you're you know, Olympus
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  Speaker 1: has fallen and all the There's just so many different projects.
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  Speaker 1: So when you when you what's what's your what? What?
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  Speaker 1: What's when you go into a movie when the script
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  Speaker 1: is getting to you, is there are there only particular
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  Speaker 1: goals you're trying to achieve out of that role, or
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  Speaker 1: it's just hey, thank you for the opportunity to act
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  Speaker 1: in this movie and do the best job that you
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  Speaker 1: can do. Well, yeah, I just want to show harp.
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  Speaker 1: You know, often circumstances, don't you know, aren't perfect. Like
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  Speaker 1: I reasonly the job where read the script. I was
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  Speaker 1: on one side of the world reading a script on
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  Speaker 1: the plane, landing on set and starting the performance, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with no preparation time and totally jet lagged, and that's
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  Speaker 1: not ideal. But in those situations you just have to
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  Speaker 1: bring it the best you can what you've got to
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  Speaker 1: accept the secumstances and not use them as an excuse,
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  Speaker 1: but just bring it the best you can and trust
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  Speaker 1: that what everything inside of you is going to inform
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  Speaker 1: the performance, especially after having acted for so long that
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  Speaker 1: you just want to Yeah, you want to bring the
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  Speaker 1: best to the story, just whatever you have in in
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: you and then also have it it's so collaborative that
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  Speaker 1: you know, have a vibe where everybody is bringing the
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  Speaker 1: best together, that there's an energy in excitement behind it. Well,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: you have disappointed me. You have disappointed me. Tell us
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: about dream Catching. Tell us about that. Well, Dreamcatch you
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  Speaker 1: with a movie that a friend of mine, well a
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: sort of a man, a super close friend at the time,
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  Speaker 1: Carrie Harris um showed to me a while ago, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, interesting and then um, I said,
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  Speaker 1: let me know when you get financed. And then, um,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't occurred to me as this sort of the cooking.
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  Speaker 1: It would be really really great to do a horror
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  Speaker 1: movie again and to have some sort of ownership on it.
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  Speaker 1: And I was looking for a project like that in
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  Speaker 1: the case. And then he came back to me and said, hey,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: we've got the we've got some money for this, and
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  Speaker 1: um and we've also got Lynn Shay, who's this amazing
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: actress and it's sort of really well respected in the genre. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So I was like, oh great, Yeah, I got to
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: read it again. UM, and it's so it was something
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  Speaker 1: that we all have a small percentage of ownership in
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: as filmmakers, um, which was kind of a cool thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then um, Henry Thomas joined Who's who's the grown
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: up now? But he was the boy in et really
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: cool actor. And then when I found this amazing kid.
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  Speaker 1: So we had this sort of small cast of characters
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  Speaker 1: and a location carry it sort of found all these
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  Speaker 1: interesting places upstate New York and a friend of his
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  Speaker 1: where we shot some of the Haunted house where Lynn
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  Speaker 1: was staying on the Haunted it her workshop, and then
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  Speaker 1: this amazing house that we shot the film in. So
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: it was all lined up and it was all very
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: simple and and that's how it began. I didn't realize
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: that there was going to be no cell phone reception
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 1: upon arriving upstate New we were we were isolated in
• 2:02:39
  Speaker 1: reality as the characters were in this. We had no
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 1: cellphone reception. We were kind of three hours from New York,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: but it felt it felt like forever away from New
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 1: York because of this no cell phone reception. Um, and
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: you know, we're in this remote but beautiful part of
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  Speaker 1: the state and to be honest. The real horror was
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 1: the chicks. I don't know if you know anything about
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 1: ticks in life, just ticks. You know, the director got
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: bitten by a chick. That was like the scariest thing
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: on set. Um So that was horror. Like walking in
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: the grass not knowing if we're going to get like
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: getten by a tick. I'm gonna cut your ball. I've
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: been bid by tickets. Not fun. It's not fun, you know,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: you know absolutely, I'm texting get the stage or did
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  Speaker 1: you know, Oh that's good? Yeah, good good. I mean
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 1: that's the that's the things, the checks, just what could happen? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, my friend, this is really you know the
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: thing about it. I'm first of all, thank you for
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: doing the show, and thank you for coming to my
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  Speaker 1: show promoting it. And I just as as a person
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: who looks out and looks at the person a talent
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: like you over the years, because you one of those
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: people where you know, I'm I'm I'm I got I
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: got Netflix, I got Amazon, I got Direct TV. If
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: all that goes out, I got comcasts and finn I'm
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: gonna watch some TV. My life is really so know that,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 1: so know that I'm always scanning through and looking at
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: familiar faces, and I look at the talent like yours,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: and I realized that, you know, your body work is
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 1: tremendous and it's diverse, and so I just pointed out
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: three movies that I like, I'm just telling my listeners here,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: but your body of workers outstanding and and every time
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  Speaker 1: you don't disappoint and when you when they say action,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: you're there and you're delivering on the big in a
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  Speaker 1: big way. And the fact that you're now stepping into
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: our ownership portion of a project called DreamCatcher, which is
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  Speaker 1: lin Skate Home Entertainment. You can go right now online
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  Speaker 1: and watch it. You know, here we're in the middle
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: of the pandemic. Everybody's watching TV, everybody's downloading things. This
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: should be one of the movies you should be downloading
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: right now. Correct. Oh yeah, apparently a lot of people
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: are downloading. I'm not sure the stats that like it's
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: doing quite well, which was, you know, great for everybody involved,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 1: and it's actually really kind of gratifying TV able to
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: contribute in the moment, like it feels like, you know,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: we're all stuck in our houses, we're all kind of
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 1: freaking out on some level. I mean it we've been true.
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  Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's like moments of anxiety and
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: then it's okay, and then it's like, you know, just
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  Speaker 1: not knowing what's going on. So it's nice to be
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  Speaker 1: able to give something new to people in that time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a new a new story of you know,
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  Speaker 1: something fun, something not super serious. Um, just to kind
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  Speaker 1: of contribute during this period. Well, my friend, you contributed
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  Speaker 1: on my show, and thank you. We'll ending out that
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