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DADDY Faces IMPEACHMENT as HUNTER Faces Contempt of Congress Proceedings! · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: The Biden crime family today is having a really tough day.
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Speaker 1: There are new reports out that Hunter Biden and his
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Speaker 1: press conference, which has been seen as a backfire even
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Speaker 1: by the Democratic Leeds, are now saying that Hunter Biden
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Speaker 1: is a real problem for the presidency. New report also
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Speaker 1: says Hunter is a quote loose speedball on Joe's sinking
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Speaker 1: USS reelection. On Wednesday, while defying a legal congressional subpoena,
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden decided to hold that news conference that we
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Speaker 1: played for you, and if you missed it, you can
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Speaker 1: go back and grab that podcast from yesterday. And the
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Speaker 1: White House's reelection team was not happy about it at all. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me just read for you what they reported on
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Speaker 1: this in Axios. Now, the Axios is a publication online
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Speaker 1: that is a far left publication.
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Speaker 2: They're not looking for conservative readers.
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Speaker 1: They're base is like MSNBC or even more extreme than that.
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Speaker 1: But let me just read for you, and look, Excess
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Speaker 1: has extensive tentacles into the Biden White House and the
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Speaker 1: Biden apparatus at every level of government.
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Speaker 2: That's why them writing this means.
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Speaker 1: That there's a lot of people that are really upset
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Speaker 1: about this that work for the president of United States
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Speaker 1: of America and within the Democratic Party.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 1: Hunter's new strategy has caused tension between his team and
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Speaker 1: the White House.
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Speaker 2: Top aids the President.
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Speaker 1: Biden originally crafted a plan to largely not respond to
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Speaker 1: attacks and conservative media coverage of Hunter Biden, a risk
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Speaker 1: adverse approach to avoid giving stories more oxygen. But Hunter's
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Speaker 1: team ultimately wasn't satisfied the media coverage didn't die down.
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Speaker 1: His team has come to believe that his lack of
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Speaker 1: a response was alienating potential Democratic allies and hurting his
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Speaker 1: father politically. Hunter's team keeps quote the White House and
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden informed of his plans. The report continues, but
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Speaker 1: the President's team has far less control over hunter strategy
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Speaker 1: than it once had. Yet, Hunter the deadbeat Dad is
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Speaker 1: a loose speedball on Joe's sinking re election ship.
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Speaker 2: It gets better. The White House is.
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Speaker 1: Concerned that if voters believe Hunters corrupt, they'll see Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden as a suspect too.
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Speaker 2: You think now.
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Speaker 1: After that disastrous Wednesday afternoon news conference, Hunter ran to
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Speaker 1: his pals and defenders at Axios to unleash this beauty,
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Speaker 1: saying quote Republicans quote unquote have weaponized my dad's love
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Speaker 1: for me and turned his greatest strength, his compassion, his
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Speaker 1: empathy is authenticity into evidence of corrupt complicity. Weaponize my
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Speaker 1: dad's love for me. That was the main line. Who
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Speaker 1: do you get that from some twelve year old girl?
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Speaker 1: Poetry journal? That's what one writer said. What is even
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Speaker 1: more laughable is the idea that Hunter is doing all
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Speaker 1: of this to help his father. This is a hormonger
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Speaker 1: so selfish that while he was spending eight hundred and
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Speaker 1: seventy two thousand dollars on sex, he was fighting paying
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Speaker 1: child support payments for his own daughter, an innocent baby girl.
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Speaker 1: Just to put it perspective, and notice how the media
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Speaker 1: has not made that point. So let's pause there and
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Speaker 1: just really go into that for a second. At the
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Speaker 1: same time that he was spending one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 1: seven thousand dollars on sex trafficking, okay, on prostitutes, he
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Speaker 1: refused to pay and was fighting to pay child support
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Speaker 1: and even acknowledging that his child was his own child,
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Speaker 1: an innocent child in Arkansas. The same Biden family that
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Speaker 1: claims they care about you as an American citizen and
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Speaker 1: whatever you're dealing with right now, refused to allow that
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Speaker 1: child to take the.
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Speaker 2: Biden last name.
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Speaker 1: Never forget that they then refused to give the adequate
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Speaker 1: and appropriate documentation for the amount of money that he
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Speaker 1: was making, and then every indication was that he was
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Speaker 1: lying about his income to the point where she had
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Speaker 1: to lawyer up and drag his again, this deadbeat dad's
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Speaker 1: aas into court. The same time all of that was
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Speaker 1: going on, and this lady who he had a child
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Speaker 1: with was having to fight this legal battle and refusing
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Speaker 1: to acknowledge the existence of his kid. Do not forget
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Speaker 1: that the President of the United States was also refusing
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Speaker 1: to acknowledge the existence of his own grandchild that he
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Speaker 1: knew obviously was his. We also know that he refused
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Speaker 1: to pay child support to the point where he was
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Speaker 1: forced to take a DNA test so that then he
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Speaker 1: would finally start having to pay some sort of child support,
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Speaker 1: and he has fought every step of the way to
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Speaker 1: stop the money going to that child. Now, during Hunter's
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Speaker 1: news conference, where he took no questions, not that he
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Speaker 1: would have been asked anything difficult, right, the House of
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Speaker 1: Representatives voted to open that impeachment inquiry into Hunter's dat
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Speaker 1: for a whole host of alleged crimes and misdemeanors. Additionally,
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Speaker 1: the houseoversde Committee has also launched a contempt of Congress
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Speaker 1: charges against Hunter for ignoring their subpoena after former White
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Speaker 1: House aide Peter Navarro and Stephen K. Bann ignored their
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Speaker 1: respective stupid January sixth Committee subpoenas. Both of them guess
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Speaker 1: what were indicted by the DOJ, which brings me to
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Speaker 1: the contempt of Congress proceedings that have been initiated against
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden, and it does have the potential idea of
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Speaker 1: jail time as well as a fine. That's only if
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Speaker 1: the DOJ will take up these charges the same way
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Speaker 1: they did against Stephen K.
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Speaker 2: Bannon. The others I just.
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Speaker 1: Mentioned the House Overside Committee Chairman James Comer and the
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Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan initial shid the contempt to
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Speaker 1: Congress proceedings against Hunter Biden after the President's sun failed
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Speaker 1: to appear for that subpoena of that closed door deposition
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, the same type of definite deposition that the
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Speaker 1: children of the then sitting President United States of America
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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump had to sit for and did sit
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Speaker 1: for now I have prosecuted and convicted to contempt of Congress.
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Speaker 1: Hunter's punishment could be up to one hundred thousand dollars fine,
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Speaker 1: as well as time in jail. A deposition is a
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Speaker 1: standard procedure used by congressional investigators. The two men stated
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Speaker 1: Democrats use depositions and their investigations regularly, including the Adam
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Speaker 1: Schiff impeachment inquiry, as well as the partisan January sixth Committee.
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Speaker 1: The House Oversight Committee ranking member Jamie Raskins, a Democrat,
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Speaker 1: emphasized the importance of standard closed door depositions.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 1: We will not provide special treatment because his last name
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Speaker 1: is Biden. Coleman and Jordan wrote in their latest letter,
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Speaker 1: as our committees were today prepared to opose on Hunter
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Speaker 1: by Biden, he chose to make a public statement on
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Speaker 1: Capitol Hill instead, where he said his father, Joe Biden,
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Speaker 1: was not financially involved in his father's business dealings. Now
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Speaker 1: Representative Matt Gates came out and he said this. Peter
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Speaker 1: Navarro and Steve Bannon were indicted on contempt charges for
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Speaker 1: not complying with the illegitimate January sixth Committee. There was
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Speaker 1: no basis to comply with the Democrats fake committee. I
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Speaker 1: believe Hunter Biden should be held in contempted to Congress
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Speaker 1: for defying a subpoena from the House Oversight Committee. But
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Speaker 1: it's clear the corrupt White House and corrupt DJ will
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Speaker 1: protect their own from prosecuting prosecution while shamelessly targeting their
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Speaker 1: political enemies. Matthew Graves, the DC attorney who prosecuted Navarro
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Speaker 1: and Bannon, worked on the presidential campaign for Joe Biden
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Speaker 1: and other Democrats. I doubt we'll see what we'll be
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Speaker 1: seeing the same indictments against Hunter. This process will not
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Speaker 1: be fixed until we initiate total retribution against the deep
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Speaker 1: state for what they're doing to our country. I cannot disagree,
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Speaker 1: by the way, with what Matt Gates put out there
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Speaker 1: in his statement on X and here goes. Let's go
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Speaker 1: back to the other question here, number one. Exactly how
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Speaker 1: was Joe Biden involved? Is what the question that we
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Speaker 1: all are asking and the question that should be answered,
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Speaker 1: because evidence shows that Biden met with Hunter's business associates
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Speaker 1: and his name was at the center of the family
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Speaker 1: business strategy the entire time. What was the product? What
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Speaker 1: were they getting from Hunter Biden? Was he giving them widgets? Now?
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Speaker 1: Was he an expert in any of the fields that
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Speaker 1: he was operating in.
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: Was Hunter Biden actually giving them a product that they
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Speaker 1: were purchasing for millions and millions and millions of dollars. No,
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Speaker 1: So what was the business? The business was selling access
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Speaker 1: to the father. The business didn't exists without Joe Biden's
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Speaker 1: position of power in the government, and it doesn't exist
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Speaker 1: without Joe Biden being the Vice President and now the
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Speaker 1: President of United States of America.
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Speaker 2: So the two men, Jordan and Comer said this.
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Speaker 1: Today, the House will vote on an impeachment inquiry resolution
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Speaker 1: to strengthen our legal case in the courts as we
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Speaker 1: face obstruction for the White House and witnesses.
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Speaker 2: And that's the real takeaway here. What we are.
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Speaker 1: Saying now and the reason why you move forward this
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Speaker 1: impeachment inquiry resolution is in the right to strengthen the
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Speaker 1: legal case in the courts because they are facing obstruction
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Speaker 1: for the White House and from witnesses.
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Speaker 2: Quote.
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Speaker 1: Today's obstruction by Hunter Biden reinforces the need for a
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Speaker 1: formal vote. Let me also say this, even the media
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Speaker 1: is not buying Hunter Biden's excuse. That's why this press
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Speaker 1: conference is backfired. Just in such a grand way. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you an example at CNN. John Berman, a former
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Speaker 1: colleague of mine who's no conservative, was talking with Democratic
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Speaker 1: Representative Meeks on Capitol Hill. The GOP has just come
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Speaker 1: out when he's asking the questions saying, look, we're vowing
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Speaker 1: to hold Hunter Biden contempt of Congress for defying the subpoena.
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Speaker 1: And of course the Democrats are coming to Hunter Biden's aid.
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Speaker 2: But listen to what was said. This is truly amazing,
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Speaker 2: clear clear.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump Junior, Donald Trump Junior did appear in various depositions.
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Speaker 3: So why then is Hunter Biden different than Donald Trump Junior,
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Speaker 3: who did testify behind closed doors.
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Speaker 4: Well, Donald Trump Junior testified and he had a choice. Also,
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Speaker 4: I think that if he had said he wanted to
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Speaker 4: testify in a public flaw, he would have been granted
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Speaker 4: the ability to testify in a public farm. I think
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump Junior would not want to testify in the
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Speaker 4: public forum.
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Speaker 2: I think that it's more important so that the public
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Speaker 2: can see.
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Speaker 1: By the way, that's not the question that he was asked,
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Speaker 1: you know how their footmness.
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Speaker 2: Well, he wouldn't want to do a public form.
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Speaker 1: I actually think Donald Trump junior would love to do
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Speaker 1: a public form. There's a reason why Democrats didn't bring
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Speaker 1: him before a public form. They did them behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1: The Republicans, by the way, have offered both.
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Speaker 2: Of these things.
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Speaker 1: And this is how much of scumbaggery there is within
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Speaker 1: the Socialist Communist Rxist Democratic Party. And Berman's opening line
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Speaker 1: there quote just to be clear, Donald Trump Junior, Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump Junior did appear in various depositions. So why that
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Speaker 1: is Hunter Biden different than Donald Trump Junior who did
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Speaker 1: testify behind closed doors? And Meek's like, well, he did
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Speaker 1: it behind closed doors, we wouldn't do it in public.
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Speaker 2: So he's.
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Speaker 1: So you want to talk about an argument of what
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Speaker 1: about is this is it for the Democrats?
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Speaker 2: And keep listening to his closing remark what's taking place
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Speaker 2: in that regards? And so Donald Trump, I believe junior.
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Speaker 4: Did not necessarily want the public to hear to see
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Speaker 4: what he had to say.
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Speaker 2: And Joe and Biden does want.
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Speaker 4: To testify in a public forum to the welcome see
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Speaker 4: the questions that.
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Speaker 5: I ask of him.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for a party that claims they're all about transparency,
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Speaker 1: they are falling all over themselves to make sure that
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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden doesn't have to testify, and if he's done
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong, then he's want to testify. I would want
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Speaker 1: to testify. I'd be like, let's go. And that's the
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Speaker 1: reason why the Trump children testified. Number One, they were subpoenas,
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Speaker 1: so they didn't have a choice right and they knew
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Speaker 1: they'd be held in contempt if they didn't go, so
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Speaker 1: they went.
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Speaker 2: It was an abuse of power. They still went.
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Speaker 1: Now, James Comer also had this to say on the
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Speaker 1: subpoenas and the documents, and he says, we are going
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Speaker 1: to court and we are going to win.
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Speaker 2: Listen to what he had to say on Fox Business.
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Speaker 6: I mean, this impeachment inquiry now is formalized. Congressman, what
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Speaker 6: does this get you? Do you think they are going
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Speaker 6: to stop blowing off your subpoenas. Do you really feel
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Speaker 6: like they're going to actually come to the table and
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Speaker 6: try to work with you on all of this.
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Speaker 7: Well, we're going to court and we're going to win
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Speaker 7: in court. We have built up a case I think
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Speaker 7: we put won in court before the impeachment inquiry.
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Speaker 2: But this impeachment.
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Speaker 7: Inquiry and the fact that it was a unanimous vote
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Speaker 7: among the majority party in the House Representatives. I think
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Speaker 7: that the Democrats are going to have to think long
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Speaker 7: and hard before they go to court, because we will
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Speaker 7: win in court and we expect to get the documents
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Speaker 7: that we've requested. Most of these emails should have been
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Speaker 7: available through for you requests, through Freedom of Information Act
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Speaker 7: request and they've blocked that. So they've violated so many
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Speaker 7: minor laws that really don't have time to talk about.
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Speaker 7: It's the major laws, you know, the money launder and
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Speaker 7: the influence peddling, the bribery. I mean, these are serious,
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Speaker 7: serious violations of the law, not to mention tax evasion
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Speaker 7: and tax fraud.
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Speaker 6: Wow, incredible, and you also mentioned securities.
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Speaker 1: Frauduct securities fraud as well. So we're going to go
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Speaker 1: to court and we're going to win in court. We
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Speaker 1: have built up a case. I think we would have
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Speaker 1: won in court before the impeachment inquiry. But this impeachment
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Speaker 1: inquiry and the fact that it's was a unanimous vote
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Speaker 1: among the majority party in the House of Representatives, I
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Speaker 1: think that the Democrats are going to have to think
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Speaker 1: long and hard before they go to court, because we
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Speaker 1: will win in court. That is a response of James Comer,
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Speaker 1: a very by the way important response to understand the
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Speaker 1: reason why they have done this the way they've done
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Speaker 1: it and gone so methodically through.
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Speaker 2: This is very very very very clear.
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Speaker 1: Now they're trying to connect these dots the right way,
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Speaker 1: and there are so many out there that are now
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Speaker 1: looking at what has happened and looking now that you
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Speaker 1: have two things here, evidence of wrongdoing by the Bidens
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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about Joe Biden and evidence of wrongdoing
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Speaker 1: by Hunter Biden and now defying the subpoena, and you
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Speaker 1: understand why there's so much heartburn for the Democratic Party
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Speaker 1: today and so much heartburn at the White House because
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Speaker 1: to two Patriot. MSNBC is throwing around this new conspiracy
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Speaker 1: theory that quote Biden's impeachment inquiry is quote Trump's retribution.
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Speaker 2: Trump is not in charge of the Senate. He's barely that.
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Speaker 1: The Republicans are barely in charge of the House, and
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Speaker 1: they don't have the White House, they don't have the
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Speaker 1: presidency of the vice presidency or the dog the FBI.
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Speaker 1: But even MSNBC now realizes there's so many problems for
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Speaker 1: the Bidens they got to come.
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Speaker 2: Up with a new conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1: So this is their new conspiracy they floated about a
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Speaker 1: half hour ago.
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Speaker 8: The fact that there is no probably doesn't bother the
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Speaker 8: likes of Jim Jordan. I think Representative McGovern got it
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Speaker 8: right when he said when Trump asks them to jump,
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Speaker 8: they say how high, and.
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Speaker 2: That they're now jumping. They're not jumping for Trump.
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Speaker 8: This is his retribution and it's a pr a pr
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Speaker 8: very cynical, pr driven attempt to Bess much Biden without
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Speaker 8: any evidence.
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Speaker 2: No evidence.
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Speaker 1: So they're just this is Biden's impeachment inquiry is Trump's retribution.
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Speaker 1: They don't have control of the Senate, they barely have
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Speaker 1: control of the House. We have massive amounts of evidence,
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Speaker 1: and you just sit there on MSNBC and you say, oh,
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Speaker 1: they have no evidence. It's the only card they have
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Speaker 1: left to play. That's the one thing that I will say.
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Speaker 1: I think this is all about the idea that this
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Speaker 1: is the only card that they have left to play.
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Speaker 1: There isn't any other card left. You can't defend not
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Speaker 1: showing up. You can't defend the press conference. You can't
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Speaker 1: defend the payments going to the Biden crime family.
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Speaker 2: You cannot defend the dollars.
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Speaker 1: That were going directly into Joe Biden's bank accounts. You
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Speaker 1: can't defend the phone calls. You can't defend the meetings.
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Speaker 1: You can't defend the foreign travel, you can't defend the
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Speaker 1: golf outings, you can't defend the payments coming from are
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Speaker 1: the worst are adversaries, the Chinese and Russia. That's the
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Speaker 1: reason why they're all sitting there in this scenario right now.
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Speaker 1: I want to play for you part of my conversation
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Speaker 1: that I had with Center Ted Cruz as we were
18:51
Speaker 1: taping the podcast that we do vertic with Ted Cruz,
18:54
Speaker 1: and you can hear the entire conversation by going and
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Speaker 1: downloading it, but there's a couple significant excerpts I wanted
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Speaker 1: to play for you. The deal with these two different subjects.
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Speaker 1: One of them obviously Hunter Biden and in him defying
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Speaker 1: this congressional subpoena in which would happened. The other one
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Speaker 1: is actually impeachment and why the Republicans are impeaching Joe
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Speaker 1: Biden and pulling this impeachment inquiry. It's not a political
19:21
Speaker 1: witch hunt. It's based in facts, and I want to
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Speaker 1: make sure we go through that. And I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear what the Center had to say because it's
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Speaker 1: important because he's in Washington and he's talking to the
19:31
Speaker 1: people that are doing this on the House side, and
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Speaker 1: to remind people how we got here is so vitally important.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Hunter Biden and Hunter Biden's
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Speaker 1: refusal to show for this deposition. He had this press
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Speaker 1: conference on Capitol Hill but said I'm only willing to
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Speaker 1: go public. I'm not willing to go behind closed doors.
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Speaker 1: That is dictating to Congress what you will and won't do.
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Speaker 1: Usually doesn't end well unless you know the deck is
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Speaker 1: stacked on your half, on your side with a DOJ
20:02
Speaker 1: that refuses to prosecute. Is that part of how this
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Speaker 1: is going to play out for him?
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Speaker 9: Well, let me say, first of all, we now know
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Speaker 9: the answer to what we talked about in the last podcast,
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Speaker 9: which is whether or not Hunter Biden was going to
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Speaker 9: defy the congressional subpoena. And the answer is yes. And
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Speaker 9: I'm going to give credit where credits due. I thought
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Speaker 9: the odds were about fifty to fifty. I could see
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Speaker 9: him going either way, and you were one hundred percent
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Speaker 9: on the other side.
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Speaker 5: And so, Benjamin, you were right. I was at best
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Speaker 5: fifty percent right.
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Speaker 1: But I'm going to frame. I'm going to frame this
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Speaker 1: transcript and put it in my office.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: This is the first time in history of verdict I've
20:36
Speaker 1: gotten these accolades.
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Speaker 9: Put it off right now. I'm telling you, I'm manning up.
20:41
Speaker 9: I'm admitting it. You didn't even have to rub my
20:44
Speaker 9: nose in it. I came forth right on the front end. Look,
20:49
Speaker 9: he refused to comply with a subpoena. There are a
20:52
Speaker 9: number of things that will flow from that. One of
20:54
Speaker 9: the things that will flow from that is the House
20:56
Speaker 9: I believe will hold Hunter Biden in contempt. That's significant
21:01
Speaker 9: being held in contempt of Congress. That you can be
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Speaker 9: jailed for being in contempt of Congress, and but for
21:08
Speaker 9: that to happen, the Department of Justice has to prosecute you.
21:11
Speaker 9: And I got to say, one of the reasons why
21:13
Speaker 9: I think Hunter Biden is perfectly content to defy a
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Speaker 9: congressional subpoena is he does not believe Daddy's Department of
21:21
Speaker 9: Justice will prosecute him, and so I think he and
21:25
Speaker 9: his lawyers feel like they can just ignore the subpoena.
21:28
Speaker 9: But when the contempt vote happens, and I think the
21:31
Speaker 9: votes will be there to hold him in contempt, that
21:34
Speaker 9: will be the next stage in the escalation. Now we
21:38
Speaker 9: talked about previously on Verdict. Why often when you have
21:41
Speaker 9: someone come in for testimony, you proceed it with a
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Speaker 9: closed door deposition where you get into more detail, you
21:47
Speaker 9: go back and forth, you prepare for the open hearing.
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Speaker 9: And that's what the House Republicans did. Now, I will
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Speaker 9: say at Hunter Biden's press conference. He said, quote Republic
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Speaker 9: Wilkins do not want an open process where Americans can
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Speaker 9: see their tactics, expose their baseless inquiry, or hear what
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Speaker 9: I have to say.
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Speaker 5: What are they afraid of? I'm here, I'm ready.
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Speaker 9: So I got to tell you, Ben, I would give
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Speaker 9: advice to Jim Jordan and James Comer. Take him up
22:17
Speaker 9: on his offer. Hold him in contempt, fine, but also
22:20
Speaker 9: bring him to an open hearing. He has said he
22:22
Speaker 9: would testify in an open hearing. Yes, there are strategic
22:25
Speaker 9: advantages to doing a closed door deposition first, but get
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Speaker 9: him under oath and in front of the American people.
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Speaker 9: If the outcome of this is he defies the subpoena,
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Speaker 9: he's held in contempt and nothing, nothing, nothing happens. That
22:37
Speaker 9: is a bad outcome. That is not an outcome that
22:40
Speaker 9: furthers justice. That is not an outcome that further is
22:43
Speaker 9: holding Joe Biden accountable for his misconduct. And so I
22:46
Speaker 9: think the best. Yes, they're irritated that he's defying their request,
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Speaker 9: and I think they ought to hold him in contempt,
22:53
Speaker 9: but they also ought to schedule that open hearing for
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Speaker 9: the first week the House is back in January and
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Speaker 9: and put him under oath on record on national TV
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Speaker 9: and walk him through the evidence.
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Speaker 1: If they do that, does that mean that you lose
23:09
Speaker 1: the chance for the closed door deposition? And is that also,
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Speaker 1: and I'm playing devil's advocate here, does that imply that
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Speaker 1: you're basically conceding to the demands of Hunter Biden on
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Speaker 1: the entire US Congress?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 9: And yes, and so what look, losing the closed door deposition?
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Speaker 9: There's some advantages to having that, sure, but you can
23:32
Speaker 9: litigate about it for a year and get nothing. Or
23:35
Speaker 9: on your second point, they could be piqued, they could
23:38
Speaker 9: be annoyed. Well, gosh, no witness is going to dictate
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Speaker 9: what we do because we're tough. Well, so what, Look,
23:45
Speaker 9: there's a job to be done. And the good thing
23:47
Speaker 9: is you and I both know Jim Jordan and James
23:49
Speaker 9: Comer these are serious men focused on a serious task.
23:52
Speaker 9: And so I think the appropriate reaction is not to
23:56
Speaker 9: have your feelings hurt, and not even to be annoyed,
23:59
Speaker 9: although you are perfectly justified in being annoyed that a
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Speaker 9: witness is effectively dictating the method in which he will testify.
24:07
Speaker 9: That is annoying and in the vast majority of situations,
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Speaker 9: it's utterly unacceptable. In this case, there is an overriding
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Speaker 9: interest of justice of putting the evidence before the American people.
24:21
Speaker 9: And remember this is something that you and I have
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Speaker 9: said a lot on verdict. This is not about Hunter Biden.
24:27
Speaker 9: This is about Joe Biden. If the result of this
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Speaker 9: is they spend the next year fighting over the contempt finding,
24:36
Speaker 9: that is a complete waste of time. We need the
24:39
Speaker 9: evidence in front of the American people that Joe Biden
24:43
Speaker 9: was corrupt. And in this Hunter Biden is an accomplice
24:47
Speaker 9: and he's a witness, but he's not.
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Speaker 5: The actual target.
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Speaker 9: The only reason anyone cares about Hunter Biden is because
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Speaker 9: he was integally involved in the alleged corruption and bribery
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Speaker 9: of his father, who was vice president of the United
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Speaker 9: States and is now the President of the United States.
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Speaker 9: That's why they should say, fine, we'll have you first
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Speaker 9: week of January in front of the full hearing on TV,
25:13
Speaker 9: and we'll walk you systematically through the questions and might
25:16
Speaker 9: they get some surprises.
25:17
Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 9: Part of the reason you do a closed door deposition
25:20
Speaker 9: is so you don't get surprised. You get an answer
25:22
Speaker 9: in the deposition, and then when you do the hearing.
25:23
Speaker 9: If they say something different, you can confront them with, well,
25:26
Speaker 9: that's not what you said at our deposition. I get
25:29
Speaker 9: that that that that is strategically better, But my point
25:34
Speaker 9: is having Hunter testify under oath now versus not having
25:39
Speaker 9: him testify for the next year, it ain't even close,
25:42
Speaker 9: which is better for the pursuit of justice?
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Speaker 1: All right, So let's say that what you're you're mentioning
25:48
Speaker 1: here happens. I want I want us both to go
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Speaker 1: on the record. Would Hunter Biden show up for that
25:56
Speaker 1: public here?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 1: I claims he would, right, but he was saying that
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Speaker 1: because he wasn't gonna show up for that. That was
25:59
Speaker 1: his way of getting out of the closed door. So
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Speaker 1: let's say that that Jim Jordan and James Comer, they
26:05
Speaker 1: do this to speak of the House says, let's this
26:07
Speaker 1: our new strategy, Johnson, Let's go with it. Do you
26:10
Speaker 1: believe that Hunter Biden would actually show for that open hearing?
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Speaker 5: So again, I don't know.
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Speaker 9: I think there is a significant chance he wouldn't show
26:19
Speaker 9: for the open hearing. But if you forced me to
26:21
Speaker 9: put odds to it, I'd probably say sixty forty he shows.
26:25
Speaker 9: I think there's a forty percent chance he backs out
26:27
Speaker 9: and said, oh, I was just kidding. I'm not going
26:29
Speaker 9: to testify there either. But I think there's a sixty
26:33
Speaker 9: percent chance that he follows through. He is at this
26:35
Speaker 9: point defiantly said he's ready to go, and he's made
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Speaker 9: that offer, and I think ego and vanity may compel
26:43
Speaker 9: him to go and testify in the open. If that's
26:47
Speaker 9: what happens, what do you think? Where are your ods?
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Speaker 1: I think there's a zero percent chance he'd show up
26:51
Speaker 1: for the second one, because if he knows he doesn't
26:53
Speaker 1: have to show up for either, and they're not going
26:55
Speaker 1: to hold him in content because and you would know
26:57
Speaker 1: this legally, I don't, And I'm asking you sincerely, if
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Speaker 1: he didn't show up for the public hearing, what's the
27:02
Speaker 1: recourse there?
27:03
Speaker 2: Would it go to the DJ.
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Speaker 9: They hold him in contempt? And DJ again would would
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Speaker 9: sit on their hands and do nothing?
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Speaker 1: Because if you're gonna if you're gonna be held in
27:10
Speaker 1: contempt the first time, why not double up on it
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Speaker 1: and say nothing at all.
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Speaker 9: Look, you're actually giving very good legal advice for someone
27:17
Speaker 9: without a JD.
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Speaker 5: There's a lot of force to what you're saying.
27:21
Speaker 9: Look, the reason I think it is slightly more likely
27:24
Speaker 9: than not that he shows up. Is is ego, it
27:27
Speaker 9: is entirely who he is, and they've been so braggadocious
27:31
Speaker 9: saying that he would do it that I think he
27:33
Speaker 9: would find it personally hard to back out of. But
27:36
Speaker 9: there's no doubt the the risk averse the CYA approach
27:41
Speaker 9: is don't show up to either. By the way, that
27:43
Speaker 9: shouldn't be the risk averse approach. If we actually had
27:46
Speaker 9: a functioning Department of Justice that would go and prosecute
27:50
Speaker 9: you for contempt to Congress, then the the risk calculus
27:54
Speaker 9: was would change. But remember Congress held Eric Holder, then
27:57
Speaker 9: the Attorney General of the United States in contempt, and
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Speaker 9: DJ did nothing. Now Eric Holder was in charge of DJ,
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Speaker 9: but they did nothing, and I don't expect the Biden
28:10
Speaker 9: DOJ to do any different.
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