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BONUS: Unpacking The Abortion Clash At The Vance-Walz Debate · The Lila Rose Show

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Hey guys, welcome back to the Lila Rose podcast.
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We're jumping in here for a spur of the moment YouTube live here
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because of the vice presidential debate last night.
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Thank you everybody who is tuning in right now.
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This is obviously a crucial breaking story about how the
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debate went down last night. This is a historic election as
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you guys know. Everyone is following this so
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closely. So much is on the line.
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And last night, JD Vance went head to head toe to toe with Tim
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Walz in the first vice presidential debate, might be
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the only vice presidential debate of this election.
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So it was a huge debate. JD's Vance's performance was
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widely acclaimed throughout media because he was in a strong
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performance. Tim Walz, a lot of people
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dunking on him for his performance.
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But people seem to be in agreement on both sides that
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some of JD Vance's weakest moments were on abortion.
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So we're going to unpack that part of the debate.
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There were several minutes of back and forth between Walls and
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Vance. We're going to watch it
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together. As you guys know this is the
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focus of this podcast to during our live segments on that are
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election related to unpack where the candidates are on life.
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Life is the most important human right.
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You can't enjoy any other human right without life.
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So life is the first human right, the right to not be
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killed, the right to exist. This is the most important human
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rights issue of our day because abortion is killing 3000
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children on average every single day in America.
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Legalized abortion. Abortion is the leading cause of
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death. It is the number one cause of
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death in this country and globally.
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So how we and whether we protect life is the most important
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political issue. It doesn't matter how our
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economy is doing, how foreign affairs are doing, how our
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border is doing, if you can't even live, if you don't even
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have the right to exist. And tragically, horribly, 3000
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children each day are killed by legal abortion.
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Their rights, their right to exist being violated, their
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fundamental right to live. You can't enjoy any other right
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without life. So let's unpack this part of the
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debate with JD Vance and Tim Walz.
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It was, again, a lot of fireworks between them.
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But I will say, and we're going to unpack this more, I think
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there was a big missed opportunity on JD Vance's side.
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And Tim Walls, of course, was doubling down on his support of
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abortion. Tragically.
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And unfortunately, you're going to see some of that doubling
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down, not for life, but even for abortion on JD Vance's side.
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We're going to unpack all of this here and watch it together.
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So let's start with the clip here from the debate.
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You're going to hear the moderator ask the question and
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we're going to go into first comments from Walls and Vance on
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life. Now to the issue of reproductive
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rights, Governor Walls, after Roe versus Wade was overturned,
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you signed a bill into law that made Minnesota one of the least
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restrictive states in the nation when it comes to abortion.
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Former President Trump said in the last debate that you believe
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abortion quote in the ninth month is absolutely fine.
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Yes or no? Is that what you support?
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I'll give you 2 minutes that's. Not what the bill says, but look
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this this issue is what? Here already.
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So I really actually appreciated the moderator doing this because
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it was an honest moment that the moderator had to question Tim
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Walls on his incredible and horrific support of abortion
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through all nine months of pregnancy, even to the point of
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depriving abortion survivors, children who survive abortion
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attempts of medical care. So immediately Tim Wall says
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that's not true. He just pretends it's not true.
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But let's actually look at the law that Tim Wall supported.
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That is doing what the moderator is saying that it did, which is
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supporting abortion through all nine months of pregnancy to the
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point of leaving abortion survivors to die.
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So let's pull up this document here.
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You guys were going to pull it up here in the studio so you can
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see what I'm reading from. But this is the evidence that
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shows the data that shows that the Minnesota statute in 2022.
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Well Tim Walls was governor and remains governor obviously to
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this day. Section one 45423 how he amended
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it in order to read that born alive survivors after an
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abortion attempt would be deprived medical care.
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This is from the Department of Health in the state of
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Minnesota. So we're reading, you know, from
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their 2022 report evaluating how abortions were done in the
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state. And this is from the states own
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report that we're looking at here.
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So it says the 2015 Minnesota Legislature enacted the Born
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Alive Infants Protection Act. It goes on to say that this text
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was amended because what Governor Walls did was amended
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the text in order to deprive for the calendar year.
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It says in order to deprive these children of life saving
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medical care. It says for the calendar year of
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January 1, 2021 through December 31st, 2021.
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So in one calendar Year, 5 abortion procedures resulted in
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a born alive infant. In one instance, fetal
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monomalies were reported resulting in death after
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delivery. No measures were taken to help
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the infant, and the infant did not survive.
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In instant 2, comfort care measures were provided.
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The infant did not survive. So just so you know here,
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comfort care measures could be as simple as putting a blanket
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over that baby instead of helping that baby breathe or
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giving that baby food. All right, according to
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whistleblower reports where some of these born alive babies are
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left to die, the babies are left in a maybe an operating room on
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a steel table, put a blanket over them and they can take
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sometimes up to a day or two to die because they're just left
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there. It's it's obviously medical
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neglect. They're not meeting their basic
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needs. So the pro abortion side would
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like to say, well, these babies were going to die anyways.
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If you refuse to feed them or help them breathe, yes the
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babies will die, but they deserve assistance, basic
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medical assistance, especially when they've just been, they've
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just been through a a horrific attempt on their life that they
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survived a late term abortion. It says in two instances the
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infants was pre viable. No, no measures were taken to
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preserve life and the infant did not survive.
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I think it's also important to note here that babies have
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survived as early as 21 weeks, 5 days with medical care.
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And tragically, a lot of hospitals, especially if they're
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going to be doing an abortion on the baby, they want to kill the
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baby anyways, are not going to be providing that NICU care,
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that intensive neonatal intensive care for the child
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because they're just going to leave the baby to die.
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So ultimately, 5 babies were not given medical care under Tim
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Walz's leadership and they were deprived medical care under his
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leadership because they failed to protect babies who survive
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abortion attempts. This should not surprise us
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though, because Tim Walz's record is in support of abortion
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through all nine months for any reason.
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His own law in his state says that abortion can be permitted
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provided a doctor signs off on it.
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That would be the abortionist who's making thousands of
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dollars on the abortion can be permitted and is elected for the
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up to the woman's decision. If she just decides what's best
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for herself and her health and the abortionist decides they can
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do that abortion. As you know, this idea of a
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woman's health can be used to justify any abortion provided
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the woman wants it, economic health, relational health,
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emotional health. And again, as long as that
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abortionist signs off, which they do, that late term abortion
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after the 9th month of pregnancy is legal, is permitted.
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We've had undercover investigators at live Action go
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into some of these late term abortion clinics nationally and
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say, can I have an abortion? I just, you know, it's for my
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emotional health and my relational health.
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I want this abortion. They're six months, seven months
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pregnant. And the abortion staff say, of
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course you can. We'll sign it, sign off on it.
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And in fact, in some of the clinics, they were saying and
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admitting to fabricating fetal anomalies.
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So they were lie on the paperwork and said that there
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were fetal defects in order to further justify the abortion on
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the books. But the point here stands that
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these babies, viable babies, are being killed legally by abortion
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in Tim Walz's own state under his watch.
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And he permits that even to the point of leaving babies who
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survive abortion attempts to die.
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Think about that. Think about how horrific that
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is. This is the position of the
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Walls Harris ticket. This is the position of the
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Democrat Party on abortion. And again, I'm, I'm grateful for
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the moderators and actually directly challenging Tim Walz
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with his position, which is so extreme that the vast majority
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of Americans are against abortion for any reason.
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Most Americans want abortion restrictions.
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You're not going to hear this in a lot of media reports.
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The media doesn't like to report on anything that makes pro-life
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look favorable. The media at large doesn't want
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to report on anything that indicates that people don't like
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abortion. A lot of media is captured by
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the pro abortion left and so they want to present abortion as
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something positive. So they're only going to tell
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sob stories to try to make abortion seem justifiable.
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Talk about how people are so pro-choice when you do the
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polling. The reality is the majority of
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Americans want abortion restrictions more.
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Jury of Americans do not support the Democrats platform on
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abortion, and they certainly do not support Tim Walz's position
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on abortion. So kudos to the moderator here
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for calling out Governor Walls on his abortion extremism here.
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Now remember, any abortion on any life, they're all horrible.
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These are human beings. A child at 19 weeks of the same
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moral value as a child at 25 weeks.
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A child at 5 weeks of the same moral value as a child at 35
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weeks. They're human beings.
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The only difference is their stage and development and how
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big they are. That's the difference.
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And all of them deserve their lives to be protected by law.
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That's what we're fighting for, so let's keep listening.
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Donald Trump put this all into motion.
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He brags about how great it was that he put the judges in and
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overturned Roe versus Wade, 52 years of personal autonomy.
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And then he tells us, oh, we send it to the states.
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It's a beautiful thing. Amanda Zaworski would disagree
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with you on It's a beautiful thing.
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A young bride in Texas waiting for their child at 18 weeks.
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She has a complication, a tear in the membrane.
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She needs to go in. The medical care at that point
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needs to be decided by the doctor, and that would have been
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an abortion. But in Texas, that would have
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put them in legal jeopardy. She went home, got sepsis,
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nearly dies, and now she may have difficulty having children
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or in Kentucky. Repeatedly the pro abortion side
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is trotting out these very tragic stories of women who may
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be miscarrying or have complications and claiming that
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the reason they're not getting care is because of somehow
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pro-life laws. That is flat out false.
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When you examine these stories and the story that he just
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mentioned as an example, the reality is in the state of
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Texas, an early delivery of a baby can be legal if there is a
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medical emergency. And in that case, everything
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would be be done to try to save the baby's life too, because
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that's that's real health care, seeing both the baby and the
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mother as patients. What has happened in some of
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these cases is women who are per SE miscarrying.
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Or we'll get to the case of Amber Thurman in a minute.
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Women who may be miscarrying, they might go in and be in the
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process of a miscarriage. And then the doctors will
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prescribe a certain procedure or medication or say, let's wait
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and see. And then if there's any other
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complications in their miscarriage after the fact, they
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will blame because they get involved with pro abortion
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activists who are looking for these cases to try to undermine
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pro-life laws. They will blame the pro-life law
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when the reality is the standard of care in that case is the same
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whether you're in California or Texas, a pro abortion state
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versus a pro-life state. We've unpacked this before in
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the podcast and it gets a little bit complicated, but the reality
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is there is not a single pro-life law on the books, not a
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single one that prevents miscarriage care or that
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prevents intervening if there is a life threatening medical
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emergency to do an early delivery where you're not trying
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to kill the baby in an abortion, but you're trying to save the
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life of both the baby and the mother.
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This is why in pro-life countries like Malta, the
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maternal mortality rate is extremely low compared to
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countries like the United States.
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Malta prohibits abortion and they have a pro-life ethic in
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their healthcare to care for both the patients and the
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mother. That's the way to do healthcare.
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That was the Hippocratic Oath, remember, do no harm, do no
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harm. And actually there was a part of
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that preamble too that had to do with not giving medication that
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would do an abortion. This has been in the practice of
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Western civilization of medicine.
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You go back to the early 2nd century, the Didiki do not give
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medication to commit an abortion.
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Do not commit an abortion. That's killing healthcare
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professionals should be in the business of protecting life,
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saving life. And we can do that for mothers
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and children. Of course, that's not the vision
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of the Democratic Party, tragically and increasingly some
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in the Republican Party. So let's keep watching Tim
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Walz's statement here. A 12 year old child raped and
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impregnated by her stepfather. Those are horrific.
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Now, when God asked about that, Senator Vance said two wrongs
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don't make a right. There is no right in this.
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So in Minnesota, what we did was restore Roe versus Wade.
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We made sure that we put women in charge of their healthcare.
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But look, this is not where if you don't know Amanda or a
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Hadley, you soon will. So he's just spitting off all of
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these different pro abortion talking points.
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But, you know, he's staying in my state of Minnesota.
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We enshrined Roe V Wade. He's admitting here without
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saying it directly that they permit abortion through all nine
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months in his state. It's absolutely horrific.
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And then he throws out some names.
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Amanda, he threw out the name Hadley.
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He's referring to Amanda Thurman, who we're going to talk
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about. And then he's also referring to
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or he's he's referring to Hadley.
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He's referring to a rape survivor, a young girl who has
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been used by the Democrats in some of their ads to promote
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abortion. When you unpack these stories
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again, you find the misleading nature of this narrative.
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You you find the lies that they're telling.
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And Hadley's story, when you unpack it, you find the horrible
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story of a young girl who was the victim of rape from her
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stepfather for years. She gets pregnant, the
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stepfather tries to drag her to an abortion clinic.
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She miscarries. She never had that abortion.
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And then she later on is now touting abortion as a solution
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to a rape or incest victim's plight.
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She never had one herself, and it was her abusive father who
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was going to make her have the abortion anyways.
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Think about that. The reality is killing a baby,
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even a baby conceived in rape, is never the solution to
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violence. You don't solve violence by
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adding more violence. And there's a reason they're not
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using a rape survivor who had an abortion as their poster child,
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because many rape survivors who have abortions regret them.
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And they felt in many ways, they were told that this would help
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them heal when the abortion didn't help them heal, it just
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hurt them more. And why would that be the case?
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Because the horror and the violence of a rape is not undone
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by an abortion. The horror and violence of a
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rape is only added to by the horror and the violence of an
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abortion. This is why here Tim Walls is
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referring to a comment that JD Vance has made in the past,
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which I thought was a good and strong comment from JD Vance in
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the past, that two wrongs don't make a right.
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When there's a horrible case of rape or incest and there's a
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pregnancy, there's a new life that's been conceived.
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The solution there is not to commit another violence and
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trauma of killing that baby. That baby is innocent.
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They are not responsible for the crime of his or her father.
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We got to keep the rapist accountable.
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It's very tragic to me that in these conversations, especially
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when they're being said by Democrat politicians and
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sometimes Republican politicians now, there is all of this
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emphasis on the way to handle rape by doing abortions as
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opposed to the way to fight rape is to ensure there's justice for
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the victim and justice against the perpetrator.
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And that we have stronger penalties for those who commit
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violence instead of taking the penalty out on the innocent
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third party, which is this baby. There was a powerful story, by
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the way, in The New Yorker. Let's see if we can pull this up
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actually about my friend Rebecca Keesling.
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I just want to share this with you guys really quick.
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I think it's powerful. Rebecca Keesling is a dear
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friend of mine, attorney, a mother, very powerful woman,
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very beautiful soul. And she was conceived in a
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violent rape. She was actually, her mother was
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the victim of a violent rape. And so she goes around the
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country. And this woman, Rebecca
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Keesling, my friend, has started this organization called Save
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the One. She's talking about the 1% of
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cases of abortion that are done because of rape, incest or
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medical emergency. And she calls it Save the One
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because she's saying even in these 1% of cases where these
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horrible things happen like rape or incest, they're still human
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beings and lives that deserve that deserve protection.
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And she says, Rebecca says, why should I be given the death
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penalty for the crime of my father because she was conceived
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in rape? Why should she get the death
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penalty? But, you know, in America, we
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don't even give the death penalty to rapists.
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It's actually against federal law to give that kind of a
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penalty to a rapist. And yet you have these
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politicians, even Donald Trump and here Tim Walls, of course,
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arguing for abortion in cases of rape.
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We need to flip the narrative on this and fight back strongly
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against it because it is a lie that abortion after rape will
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heal in any way of rape victim. And it is also a lie that
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abortion after rape will in any way help anyone because all that
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it does is kill an innocent third party, that new and
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developing child. OK, let's keep listening to
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Wells's next comments here. Registry of pregnancies.
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It's going to make it more difficult, if not impossible, to
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get contraception and limit access, if not eliminate access
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to infertility treatments. For so many of you out there
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listening, me included, infertility treatments are why I
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have a child. That's nobody else's business,
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but those things are being proposed.
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We're fact checking walls here left and right.
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But he's saying, well, they're opposing in for they're opposing
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fertility treatments. They're opposing fertility
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treatments. This is code in now political
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speak for IVF, in vitro fertilization.
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There are many fertility treatments that don't involve
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creating new lives and multiple new lives in a Petri dish, then
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freezing many of them indefinitely, then destroying
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some of them, then donating some of them for human
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experimentation. The tragic cases that many
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people aren't aware of is that IVF has led to 1,000,000 frozen
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embryos. These aren't just the building
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blocks for life, these are the actual individual new human
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lives that are indefinitely frozen right now because of the
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IVF industry. And IVF can be very painful and
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difficult for the mother. For the woman, it can lead to
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the miscarriages and abortions of up to 93% of the babies
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created via IVF. It is highly dangerous for the
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babies, it is very painful for the mother, and it's highly
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expensive. It's 30 to $60,000 to achieve a
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live birth via IVF. What we should be promoting is
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restorative approaches to fertility treatments.
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That's never talked about by Tim Walz or even by unfortunately,
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Donald Trump or JD Vance these days.
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I wonder why I'm trying to get the information out there.
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And we've been passing the information on to the campaigns
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that there are other ways, ethical ways to achieve a baby
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and do it via using restorative methods to work with the health,
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improving the health of the mother and the father to treat
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infertility. We do not need to use the
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unethical IVF industry to do this.
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And you know, we're going to keep working on this.
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But I think one of the reasons the IVF industry is so powerful
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and. Politics is because you're
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talking about billions of dollars.
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It's a very big industry. Just like complaints are made
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about big Pharma having all of this control over the Food and
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Drug Administration and all of this control.
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You know, during, you know, you could talk about vaccines, you
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can talk about all of the the different things that people are
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concerned about where big business interests take over
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what's best for the person. That is absolutely what's
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happening with infertility in this country.
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But no one's talking about it on the national stage yet because
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it's easier and more popular with your potentially big pharma
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donors or big IVF donors just to go the route of we're going to
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pay for IVF, which is unfortunately what President
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Trump has come out in support of former President Trump that he
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would pay you would make it tax funded and mandated to fund IVF.
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So anyways, obviously Walls is making an accusation here that
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doesn't actually amount to anything because President
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Donald Trump has supported IVF. But the reality here is we
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should be pursuing restorative approaches to fertility that are
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ethical, that can actually achieve the same amount of live
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births. I mean, the beautiful thing
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about restorative approaches to infertility is it can be as
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successful as IVF without the ethical issues.
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And so I want to encourage you guys to go check out a lot of
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the episodes I've done recently on this, particularly with
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Doctor Lauren Rubalt, one of my dear friends.
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She was a former IVF doctor. She actually used to practice
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IVF. Now she does restorative
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healthcare to treat infertility and has amazing success.
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So check out those episodes. Well, let's keep listening.
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Yes, well the states will decide what's right for Texas might not
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be right for Washington. That's not how this works.
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This is basic human right. We have seen maternal mortality
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skyrocket in Texas, outpacing many other countries in the
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world. This is about healthcare.
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In Minnesota, we are ranked 1st in healthcare.
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This is another false talking point, another lie from Tim
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Walls, which is to say that well, there's poor maternal
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mortality rates in in Texas and that's because of because of
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pro-life laws. There is 0 evidence for this
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doesn't provide any evidence because there isn't any
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evidence. Maternal mortality rates in
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Texas seem to have made a decline in the last few years,
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but many can say that's due to COVID and due to the risk of
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mothers who are pregnant with COVID.
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The other part of that too is, is the reality that in in
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medical coding when it comes to pregnancy and miscarriage, many
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times if a woman is actually her life is endangered because of
22:35
abortion, the medical coding meaning an abortion gone wrong.
22:39
Like the case of Amanda of Amber Thurman or the case of say,
22:43
Tanya Reeves who was killed in a Planned Parenthood in Chicago in
22:46
2012. Their cases instead of being
22:49
coded as abortion is what hurt them or killed them.
22:52
Their cases will be coded as pregnancy complications killed
22:55
them. So what you see is this
22:57
inflation of medical coding that indicates that it's actually
23:00
just pregnancy that is dangerous when it actually was the
23:03
abortion that is dangerous. Of course, none of this is being
23:07
shared by Tim Walls. It would undercut his whole
23:09
point that abortion is somehow good.
23:11
But he's misleading the viewers here the the electorate here and
23:15
how he's presenting. A reason we trust women.
23:18
We trust doctors. Senator, do you want to respond
23:20
to the governor's claim? Will you create a federal
23:22
pregnancy monitoring agency? No, nor certainly we won't.
23:26
And I want to talk about this issue because I.
23:28
Let's pause this here. I I want to just preface this
23:30
here because obviously I was watching this last night and
23:32
live tweeting it. If you guys are online watching
23:35
my Twitter feed or on Twitter yourselves, you will have seen
23:37
her on X Listen, JD Vance had a great opportunity here.
23:41
He could have knocked it out of the park and what you're going
23:43
to see, we're going to comment on what he did.
23:45
But you know, and I get it, a lot of people, they want to
23:48
cheer for the Not Harris Walls team because Harrison Walls on
23:52
abortion are despicable. They support abortion through
23:54
all nine months for any reason. But I have to remind us that the
23:58
Republican Party's plank on this for the last four decades has
24:02
been 100% pro-life. And just a few months ago, Trump
24:06
under his influence, ultimately forced the delegates to change
24:10
the Republican Party plank to permit some abortion, to say
24:14
that the states can permit abortion, adding in IVF, adding
24:17
in birth control. They also removed traditional
24:19
marriage from the party. And so there's this new
24:21
narrative, this new talking point that some Republicans, not
24:24
all, but some Republicans are now touting on abortion.
24:28
They're basically trying to somehow make peace with some of
24:31
the pro abortion side. And I wanted to start by saying
24:35
here, pro abortion voters are already voting for Kamala and
24:40
for Tim, for Walls and for Harris.
24:42
Pro abortion voters are already going to back the Harris Walls
24:46
ticket. When Vance and Trump try to
24:50
throw pro-life movement under the bus to say that they support
24:53
some abortion so that they're for abortion, try to soften
24:56
their position on abortion like they just forced the RNC to
24:58
soften the platform on life. They're not winning moderates.
25:02
They're not winning anyone. And people say, well, they're
25:05
doing this because we lost in the 2020 election because of
25:08
life. And there's this whole narrative
25:10
that when pro-life is stated, then it's a losing issue.
25:13
And that's simply false. The reality is in the 2020
25:17
midterm, there were many passionately pro-life candidates
25:21
that one, some of them in landslides, their elections.
25:24
An example of this, of course, would be Governor Ron DeSantis
25:27
in a purple state, one in a landslide.
25:30
And he was strong on life. He wasn't backing down saying he
25:33
supports, you know, some states to do abortion and text and and
25:37
Florida, you know, he wants them to have abortions in Florida.
25:40
He was saying that he was strongly pro-life.
25:43
The reality is the strongly pro-life message is a winning
25:46
message if you're willing to speak it, if you're willing to
25:49
call abortion what it is. Abortion is the dismemberment.
25:53
It's the lethal injection. It's the starving to death via
25:56
abortion pills of a new human life and killing a baby.
26:01
Call abortion what it is. It's killing a baby.
26:03
Killing a baby is never the solution to any problem.
26:07
We have to protect our sons and daughters.
26:08
We have to protect our children. That can be such a winning
26:11
message. We have to reject the abortion
26:13
extremism of the left of the Democrats.
26:16
That's what I was waiting to hear or hoping to hear from JD
26:19
Vance. And by the way, that kind of
26:22
language is what helped JD Vance get his seat in the Senate.
26:26
He used to say very strongly pro-life things.
26:28
He got 100% pro-life record from some pro-life group because he
26:32
was passionately pro-life life. But now in just the last few
26:36
weeks since becoming a couple months since becoming the pick
26:39
for VP, he's done a 180 on life. And so you're going to see some
26:43
of that here. Americans care about, and I know
26:46
a lot of Americans don't agree with everything that I've ever
26:49
said on this topic. And, you know, I grew up in a
26:52
working class family in a neighborhood where I knew a lot
26:54
of young women who had unplanned pregnancies and decided to
26:57
terminate those pregnancies because they feel like they
26:59
didn't have any other options. And, you know, I, I, one of them
27:03
is actually very dear to me. And I know she's watching
27:05
tonight and I love you. And she told me something a
27:09
couple years ago that she felt like if she hadn't had that
27:12
abortion, that it would have destroyed her life because she
27:14
was in an abusive relationship. And I think that what I take
27:18
from that as a Republican who proudly wants to protect
27:21
innocent life in this country, who proudly wants to protect the
27:24
vulnerable, is that my party, we've got to do so much better
27:27
of a job at earning the American people's trust back on this
27:31
issue where they frankly just don't trust us.
27:34
And I think that's one of the things that Donald Trump and I
27:36
are endeavoring to do. I want us as a.
27:40
Let's pause it here. So what is so sad about what JD
27:43
Vance is doing here is because he's the one story he tells, the
27:46
one story he chooses to tell, he's supposed to be the pro-life
27:48
candidate is about a woman that had an abortion that feels like
27:51
that abortion helped her right. Of course he didn't tell the
27:54
thousands and even millions of stories he could have told about
27:57
the women who regret their abortions bitterly.
28:00
I I've interviewed probably over 1000 now, talked over 1000 now
28:03
in the last decade about women who are deeply wounded by their
28:09
abortions. Those women in their stories,
28:11
they never make heat media headlines.
28:13
They're not allowed to really tell their stories in polite
28:16
society because the prevailing narrative, the narrative of the
28:18
pro abortion side and Planned Parenthood is that abortion is
28:21
good for you. It's great, it's empowering,
28:23
have your abortion. And so he's using the story of
28:25
his friend who for whatever reason, in her trauma, she was
28:28
in an abusive relationship, in her memory and recollection of
28:32
that time in her life is saying, well, it's good I have that
28:34
abortion. Maybe talk to her in another 10
28:36
or 20 years when the anniversaries roll by again and
28:40
when that baby would have had their birthday, when that baby
28:42
would have been born. Abuse struggles are, you know,
28:48
inconveniences, disabilities. None of these are justifications
28:52
for taking an innocent human life.
28:54
We are never better off by killing our babies.
28:56
We are never better off better off by killing our children.
28:59
Abortion wounds. It never liberates.
29:01
The message here could have been so strong from JD Vance to say,
29:04
listen, there are millions of women who voices, whose voices
29:06
aren't heard, who regret the pain of their abortions, who
29:09
regret it. We need to defend life.
29:11
We need to protect human beings. Life begins at fertilization.
29:14
These are human lives. Science is clear on this.
29:17
Abortion is the lethal dismemberment, the starving to
29:20
death. Abortion is the lethal
29:22
injections in the later term of of human beings, of innocent
29:26
children. These are our children.
29:28
We got to defend them. And the Democrats want to kill
29:30
them through all nine months. It is disgusting and
29:32
unacceptable that that that was like the old JD, right?
29:36
This new JD. And you can kind of tell he kind
29:39
of loses his energy here. He gets very, you know, self,
29:42
you know, apologetic. He's kind of, you know, beating
29:44
him himself up in a way. You know, I have inside
29:47
knowledge that the people advising JD right now, they're
29:51
not pro-life. There are people that don't care
29:54
about this issue that themselves support abortion.
29:57
And so they want to persuade JD and Trump.
30:00
And I think Trump himself is in support of abortion.
30:02
He himself is not personally pro-life.
30:05
And they want to persuade them that you got to you got to do
30:07
this. The reality is JD Vance is not
30:10
winning any voters by going to the left on abortion.
30:14
He's only losing his own base. He's losing his opportunity to
30:18
differentiate himself from the radical extremism of the pro
30:21
abortion side. He's he's I believe it's immoral
30:24
what they're doing here to throw babies under the bus and this
30:28
might cost them the election. You know, I hear from thousands
30:31
of people who are watching this play out.
30:33
The base, the the former passionate pro-life base, who's
30:37
going to say, I want to vote for the candidate that's going to be
30:39
a fighter for life. Remember, the President Trump
30:42
spoke at the March for Life. JD Vance was 100% pro-life
30:45
senator. If we had those candidates
30:47
again, I think the base would be so excited, so galvanized, so
30:51
ready to get out the vote. But I talk to people everyday,
30:54
multiple people who express how upset they are at this leftward
30:59
turn that Vance and Trump are making and this doubling down on
31:04
their support of abortions that they are doing.
31:06
And I think it is a huge mistake.
31:09
People, some people are saying, Lila, you're, you're, you're,
31:12
you're suppressing the vote by talking like this, by saying
31:15
this. The only people suppressing
31:17
their own vote right now are the miscalculations, the fatal,
31:21
potentially fatal miscalculations that Vance and
31:24
Trump are making to moderate to go to the left on abortion.
31:29
Again, they are not winning any new votes this way.
31:32
They only stand to lose them. And I've been warning them again
31:36
and again that that if you keep going this route, it's going to
31:38
hurt you on Election Day. And unfortunately, the
31:41
performance we saw, probably because of the pro abortion
31:44
consultants that they have, was, I believe, damaging to their
31:49
campaign in this part of the debate.
31:51
Again, Vance was strong on so many other issues according to a
31:54
lot of the base, but in this part he had his some of his
31:57
weakest moments. All right, let's keep listening.
32:00
The Republican Party to be pro family in the fullest sense of
32:03
the word. I want us to support fertility
32:05
treatments. I want us to make it easier for
32:07
moms to afford to have babies. I want it to make it easier for
32:10
young families to afford a home so they can afford a place to
32:14
raise that family. And I think there's so much that
32:16
we can do on the public policy front just to give women more
32:20
options. Now, of course, Donald Trump has
32:23
been very clear that on the abortion policy specifically,
32:26
that we have a big country and it's diverse.
32:29
And California has a different viewpoint on this than Georgia.
32:32
Georgia has a different viewpoint from Arizona.
32:35
And the proper way to handle this, as messy as democracy
32:38
sometimes is, is to let voters make these decisions.
32:42
Let the I. Mean here it is just crazy to
32:46
me. Here Vance is saying let
32:48
California vote to have abortion through all nine months.
32:51
Let it let let like the federal role federal law has.
32:54
No, there's no role that they have let them, let them
32:57
basically permit the killing of babies through all nine months
33:00
and then he's going to get to, you know, there's no federal
33:03
action here. We're not going to stop it.
33:05
We're not going to stop it when a state like California or Tim
33:09
Walz Estate is going to commit abortion through all nine
33:11
months. Imagine if the early the
33:14
abolitionists during the time of slavery and the politicians who
33:17
were claiming to be for abolition said actually, no, let
33:21
the states do their slavery thing, let them do it.
33:23
It's not a big deal. Let them do it.
33:25
It's their right as opposed to no, Everyone has the right to be
33:28
free. Everyone has the right to not be
33:30
enslaved. The pro-life position of
33:33
everyone has the right to life is not some opinion.
33:37
It's a constitutional right that we all have.
33:40
Our own constitution under the 14th Amendment specifically
33:43
states equal protection for all persons and says that no right,
33:47
no state has the right to deprive life of any person
33:51
without due process. What's happening in California
33:54
is unconstitutional. They're depriving children of
33:58
their right to live without due process.
34:00
This could have been a powerful moment for JD Vance to speak up
34:03
for those that are the most vulnerable, and unfortunately,
34:06
he chose a different path. Let's keep listening.
34:09
Individual states make their abortion policy, and I think
34:12
that's what makes the most sense in a very big, a very diverse,
34:15
and let's be honest, sometimes a very, very messy and divided
34:19
country. Governor, would you like to
34:20
respond and also answer the question about restrictions?
34:23
Yeah, well, the question got asked when Donald Trump made the
34:26
accusation that wasn't true about Minnesota.
34:28
Well, let me tell you about this idea that there's diverse
34:31
states. There's a young woman named
34:33
Amber Thurman. She happened to be in Georgia, a
34:36
restrictive state. Because of that, she had to
34:38
travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her
34:43
care. Amber Thurman died in that
34:47
journey back and forth. The fact of the matter is, how
34:50
can we as a nation say that your life and your rights, as basic
34:56
as the right to control your own body, is determined on
35:00
geography? There's a very real chance that
35:03
Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota.
35:05
She would be alive today. That's why the restoration of
35:09
Roe versus Wade. When you listen to Vice
35:11
President Harris talk about this subject and you hear me talk
35:13
about it, you hear us talking exactly the same.
35:16
Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political
35:19
right of this. I agree with a lot of what
35:20
Senator Vance said about what's happening.
35:22
His running mate, though, does not, And that's the problem.
35:25
Governor, your time is up, Senator, Let me ask you about
35:27
that. He mentioned was, I think,
35:29
referring to a national ban. In the past you have supported a
35:32
federal ban on abortion after 15 weeks.
35:36
In fact you said if someone can't support legislation like
35:39
that quote, you are making the United States the most barbaric
35:43
pro abortion regime anywhere in the entire world.
35:46
My question is why have you changed your position?
35:49
Well, Nora, first of all, I never supported a national ban.
35:53
I did during when I was running for Senate in 2022.
35:55
Talk about setting some minimum national standard, for example.
35:58
JD Vance had a great opportunity here because Tim Walz just
36:03
shared one of the worst recent pieces of pro abortion
36:05
falsehoods and propaganda that is swarming the Internet right
36:09
now, which is that Amber Thurman died because of pro-life laws
36:13
and if she had been alive in Minnesota and in his state, she
36:15
might not have died. Amber Thurman died because of
36:19
complications from taking the legalized abortion pill.
36:23
There's a black, black box warning on the abortion pill and
36:27
one of the consequences of taking that lethal drug can be
36:31
sepsis infection that can be fatal.
36:34
That's what happened to Amber Thurman.
36:36
And she was at the hospital with her health rapidly declining and
36:39
they were trying to save her life and they couldn't because
36:41
of sepsis, because of the abortion pill which killed her
36:45
twin babies and then killed her. This would have been a great
36:48
opportunity for JD to just come out swinging against walls.
36:51
Lies. He's lying here bald faced lies
36:55
on a national debate stage. And that would have been
36:58
powerful, powerful moment where he could have seized the moral
37:01
high ground. Instead, he goes down this path
37:04
of saying, well, I actually don't know that I do support
37:07
abortion bans. In fact, that's not exactly what
37:09
I said. And maybe I would support a
37:10
little bit of 1, you know, maybe on some age requirements or, you
37:14
know, the baby a certain age with the baby being that I would
37:17
permit, then I would prohibit abortion.
37:19
I mean, he just, he's kind of fumbling here because he's on
37:22
the defensive. You see, when you go on the
37:24
defense of like, like JD Vance unfortunately is doing here, you
37:27
lose the moral high ground, you lose the plot.
37:30
And I think people can smell it that there's weakness here.
37:33
And it's like, it's like blood in the water.
37:35
And so the Democrats who should have the moral low ground, I
37:39
mean, it's so evil. What is being supported by Tim
37:42
Walls? He's lying about Amber Thurman.
37:44
He supports abortion through all nine months.
37:46
He supports allowing born alive babies to die.
37:49
The guy is as radical as you can get on abortion.
37:51
And JD Vance could have come out winging in this moment.
37:54
Instead, he's on the defensive at a moment when he could have
37:57
been the most strongly on the offensive.
38:00
And this is what I'm seeing again and again from,
38:01
unfortunately, President, former President Trump and JD Vance and
38:05
some Republicans, not all, again, who are buying this lie
38:08
that they have to moderate on abortion.
38:09
Moderating on abortion like this is not going to make you win.
38:13
It's actually going to hurt your ability to persuade people and
38:16
it's going to really make your base upset because you're not
38:20
being honest. So that's what we're seeing
38:22
here. And again, it would
38:23
disappointing. And I was on I was on X and
38:25
everyone's kind of screaming on X like debunk the Amber Thurman
38:28
lie. Come on, JD Vance.
38:30
Like she was killed because of abortion, not because of a
38:33
pro-life law. In fact, if if abortion pills
38:35
have been illegal and and they weren't on the market, Amber
38:38
would probably be alive today and her twins would be alive.
38:41
But it was because of abortion that she and her twins died.
38:44
That's what what would have been a powerful response from Vance,
38:46
but we didn't see her. Let's keep listening.
38:49
In place in this country at the federal level, I don't think
38:51
anybody is trying to get rid of that, or at least I hope not,
38:54
though I know that Democrats have taken a very radical pro
38:56
abortion stance. But Nora, you know one of the
38:58
things that changed. Federal pro-life law.
39:01
I mean, it's just a it's just a complete tragedy.
39:04
This this one 180 turn that has been taken.
39:09
It used to be, yes, of course there's a constitutional right
39:11
to life. Of course we have to protect
39:13
children. But now the media is just
39:15
there's, there's swarms and swarms of lies that are being
39:18
told by unfortunately walls and others.
39:21
And the Republican response, instead of saying this is a lie,
39:24
like we're going to fight for the truth here and fight for
39:26
life. These are lies that are fear
39:27
mongering women. The response from some
39:29
Republicans here and again, because of pro abortion
39:31
consultants is to say, well, you're right.
39:34
We're going to we're going to moderate on this.
39:35
You can have some abortions. I want to go to next.
39:39
You know, the debate obviously went on, but I want to go next
39:42
to President Trump's comments after the debate and talk about
39:47
that because I think it's really important.
39:48
So after the debate was concluded, President Trump is
39:51
live on X and he's making this statement.
39:55
So I'm going to read it here. It was the president, former
39:57
President Donald Trump. He says everyone knows.
39:59
And it's on all caps on Twitter, on X, and I think it was on
40:02
Truth Social too. He says everyone knows.
40:04
I would not support a federal abortion ban under any
40:08
circumstances. That is signaling I wouldn't
40:11
even ban abortion. In the late term at the federal
40:14
level, let California do their thing.
40:16
I mean, it's it this is, this is a as left-leaning as you can get
40:20
to say I don't want any abortion restrictions.
40:23
That's where President Trump is. He continues.
40:25
I would not support a federal abortion ban under any
40:28
circumstances and would in fact veto it.
40:31
So even if Republicans did this incredible job in the House and
40:36
the Senate of getting a, a pro-life law to the president,
40:38
he's saying he would veto it. He goes on.
40:42
I mean, this is like, this is like the pro abortion person's
40:44
dream. They're probably like jumping
40:45
out of the sheets, like maybe I should vote for Donald Trump.
40:47
The, the, the, the pro boards. They're not going to do that
40:49
obviously, because Kamala is 100% for them already.
40:53
But Donald Trump is sounding a lot like Kamala here.
40:55
He goes on to say, I would in fact veto it because it is up to
40:59
the states to decide based on the will of their voters.
41:01
Like Ronald Reagan before me, I fully support the three
41:05
exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the mother.
41:07
I do not support the Democrats radical position of late term
41:10
abortion. Trump does at the federal level.
41:14
He's saying he would not prohibit it as an example in the
41:17
7th, 8th or 9th month of or in the case or in case there's any
41:21
question, the possibility of execution of the baby after
41:23
birth. Thank you for your attention to
41:25
this matter. So I want to just address this
41:29
here. He's done this multiple times,
41:31
President Trump, where he talks about Ronald Reagan and he says
41:34
that he thinks Ronald Reagan's exceptions were these this great
41:37
thing and he wants to have exceptions like Ronald Reagan.
41:40
Did you know that Ronald Reagan actually regrets those
41:43
exceptions. These are exceptions that he's
41:46
talking about. When Ronald Reagan was the
41:47
governor in the state of California, and California used
41:49
to be a pro-life state back in the day.
41:51
And it was a Republican governor who created exceptions in their
41:56
pro-life law to permit abortion in the cases of rape, incest and
42:00
the life health of the mother And Ronald Reagan himself.
42:03
We're going to pull up this article if we can.
42:05
Ronald Reagan himself later on would say that it was him
42:10
permitting these exceptions to abortion that opened the
42:13
floodgates to abortion. And it's a very powerful.
42:17
This is a an article from the New York Times.
42:20
What year is this on here? You guys can see it.
42:22
This was from 1976. So this is in just a few years
42:27
after he made the decision as governor to legalize abortion
42:31
when Ronald Reagan was governor of California.
42:34
And it talks about how he regrets being in support of
42:38
these exceptions because he realized that the support of
42:42
exceptions actually opened the floodgates to abortion.
42:45
And this is the fact. Let's let's go down the logical
42:48
rabbit trail. Hare of what?
42:49
Why this is the reality is if you say it's OK to kill a baby
42:53
if the baby's father is abusive or you say it's OK to kill a
42:56
baby because of some, you know, condition that the mother says
42:59
she has maybe an emotional health condition or some other
43:01
condition, you can rationalize most abortions.
43:06
You are now undercutting the case for life.
43:09
You're undercutting the idea of an inviolable, you cannot
43:12
violate the right to life. And you're saying, well, yeah,
43:15
in some cases you can kill an innocent person if there are
43:18
enough of a burden or enough of a psychological burden on their
43:24
mother. In the case of rape or incest,
43:26
they're enough of a psychological burden you can
43:28
kill. Or in the case of some sort of
43:30
health issue, the mother may have there enough of a physical
43:33
or emotional burden so you can kill.
43:36
And Ronald Reagan was admitting that actually because of these
43:40
exceptions that he permitted. I mean, he didn't legalize
43:43
abortion for only months for any reason on paper in California.
43:46
But what happened when he wrote in the Rape, Incest and Life
43:49
Health of the mother exceptions was that now the doctors, these
43:54
abortionists could sign off on any abortion provided the woman
43:58
wanted it, using these exceptions.
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And so this is the state of America today.
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The state of America today is we are being inconsistent logically
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and we're not being humane to either the mother or the child
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by resorting to violence, saying that the violence of abortion is
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somehow the solution to any number of issues.
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And that ideology that that that view of abortion in some cases
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is good, only leads to the crisis we have today, which is
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abortion effectively on demand, 3000 lives taken every day by
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abortion. And so when Donald Trump uses
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Ronald Reagan as some sort of justification for his
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exceptions, when Ronald Reagan regretted his own actions, I
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think that's dishonest. He's not telling the whole story
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there. And he's trying to basically use
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the good name of Ronald Reagan to ingratiate himself with
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Republican voters to say, well, listen, this is what Ronald
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Reagan did. Well, Ronald Reagan regretted
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the way he governed in California on abortion.
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And I believe if JD Vance looks back on this maybe a decade from
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now on, this really downward spiral that the Trump Vance
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ticket is, is is operating on is going on, he may regret his
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actions here too. This this position of saying,
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yes, some abortions are fine. Sometimes killing the baby is
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fine. We're going to do that.
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It's not, you know, let the states do what they want.
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This is not the just or loving decision or position for the
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Trump fans ticket to take. And unfortunately, this is what
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we see them doubling down on. So you guys are probably
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wondering, we're going to wrap here in a moment, but what can
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we do? Listen, it, it, it is, it's
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tragic what's happening. And again, I know I'm, I'm in a
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conversation with so many people who are upset about what's
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happening. The IVF mandate, the softening
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on traditional marriage, the support for some abortions via
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the abortion pill, the insistence that, you know, like
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California do what they want. We wouldn't lift a finger at the
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federal level like these. This is not a winning message
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for the base, and the political calculation that I believe
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they're making is a bad one. And it's also the wrong thing to
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do. So I think increasingly, the
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campaign needs to hear from us, from voters.
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Make your voices loud and clear. Stop doing this.
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This is not OK. Stop throwing the right to life
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under the bust. These are human beings.
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They're human lives that are at stake.
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And women, the cause of women is not served by embracing the
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narrative that killing our babies is the path to
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empowerment. We can and we must do better for
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our children and for women. That is and must be our
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position. And I believe that message when
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it's when it's shared, when, when we when we tell the stories
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of Rebecca Keesling, when we talk about The Who who was
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conceived in rape, when we talk about the violence of what
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abortion actually is, when we talk about the beauty of a
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developing human life, that little boy or girl with their
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heart beating at just 3 1/2 weeks, that sound of that
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beautiful heartbeat and how we have to protect that heartbeat.
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I believe that is a powerful and winning message.
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All right, we're going to close in prayer here, guys, as we have
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done in a lot of these lives, because this is heavy stuff and
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a lot is at stake here. So this is the Chaplet of Divine
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Mercy prayer. We've been doing 1 decade of the
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Divine Mercy prayer. So we're going to start in the
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name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
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This is to pray for mercy on our country and for the protection
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of all children. And we'll start with the Eternal
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Father, and then the 10 shorter prayers.
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Eternal Father, Ioffer you the body and blood, soul and
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divinity of your dearly beloved Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, in
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atonement for our sins and those of the whole world.
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For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on
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the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful
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passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on
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the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful
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passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on
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the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful
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passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on
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the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful
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passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on
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the whole world. For the sake of His sorrowful
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passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.
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All right, guys, thank you so much for praying with me for
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