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- 0:00Foreign.
- 0:05Welcome
- 0:05back,
- 0:06my
- 0:06friends,
- 0:06to
- 0:06another
- 0:07episode
- 0:07of
- 0:07Pearls
- 0:08and
- 0:08prep.
- 0:09Npz.
- 0:09Here,
- 0:10your
- 0:10preceptor
- 0:11in
- 0:11your
- 0:11pocket,
- 0:12your
- 0:12go
- 0:12to
- 0:12place
- 0:13for
- 0:13pearls
- 0:14that
- 0:14prep
- 0:14you
- 0:14to
- 0:15practice.
- 0:15Well,
- 0:16we
- 0:16have
- 0:16a
- 0:16doozy
- 0:17here
- 0:17today,
- 0:18let
- 0:18me
- 0:18tell
- 0:18you.
- 0:19We
- 0:19are
- 0:19going
- 0:20to
- 0:20start
- 0:20off
- 0:20with
- 0:20a
- 0:21brain
- 0:21tickler.
- 0:22It
- 0:22is
- 0:23a
- 0:23very
- 0:24interesting
- 0:24question
- 0:25I'm
- 0:25going
- 0:25to
- 0:25ask
- 0:25you.
- 0:26You
- 0:26may
- 0:26not
- 0:26know
- 0:27the
- 0:27answer.
- 0:27The
- 0:27answer
- 0:28may
- 0:28surprise
- 0:28you,
- 0:29and
- 0:29then
- 0:29we're
- 0:30going
- 0:30to
- 0:30go
- 0:30into
- 0:30the
- 0:30nitty
- 0:30gritty
- 0:31of
- 0:32the
- 0:32case.
- 0:33So,
- 0:34my
- 0:34friends,
- 0:35there
- 0:35was
- 0:35a
- 0:35national
- 0:36surveillance
- 0:36study
- 0:37between
- 0:372009
- 0:38and
- 0:392011,
- 0:40and
- 0:40it
- 0:40looked
- 0:40at
- 0:41emergency
- 0:41room
- 0:41visits
- 0:42for
- 0:42adverse
- 0:43drug
- 0:43events,
- 0:44also
- 0:44known
- 0:45as
- 0:45ADES,
- 0:46caused
- 0:47by
- 0:47psychiatric
- 0:48medications
- 0:48in
- 0:49American
- 0:49adults
- 0:5019
- 0:50years
- 0:51or
- 0:51older.
- 0:52Why
- 0:52they
- 0:52didn't
- 0:52start
- 0:52with
- 0:5318
- 0:53years
- 0:53or
- 0:53older,
- 0:54I
- 0:54have
- 0:54no
- 0:54idea.
- 0:54It's
- 0:55a
- 0:55very
- 0:55odd,
- 0:56arbitrary
- 0:56cut
- 0:57point
- 0:57here.
- 0:58Which
- 0:58single
- 0:59psychiatric
- 1:00medication
- 1:00was
- 1:01implicated
- 1:01in
- 1:01the
- 1:02highest
- 1:02proportion
- 1:02of
- 1:03all
- 1:03psychiatric
- 1:04medication
- 1:05adverse
- 1:06drug
- 1:06event
- 1:07ED
- 1:07visits?
- 1:08So
- 1:08what's
- 1:08the
- 1:09big,
- 1:09bad,
- 1:09naughty
- 1:10psychiatric
- 1:11drug
- 1:12that
- 1:12has
- 1:12been
- 1:13implicated
- 1:14in
- 1:14the
- 1:14highest
- 1:15proportion
- 1:16of
- 1:17all
- 1:17psychiatric
- 1:18medication
- 1:19ED
- 1:19visits?
- 1:20So
- 1:20you
- 1:20have
- 1:20all
- 1:21these
- 1:21psychiatric
- 1:21ED
- 1:22visits,
- 1:23and
- 1:23who's
- 1:23the
- 1:24most
- 1:24common
- 1:24culprit
- 1:26of
- 1:27these
- 1:27visits
- 1:28or
- 1:28what's
- 1:28causing
- 1:28this
- 1:28the
- 1:29most?
- 1:29Is
- 1:29it
- 1:29A,
- 1:29Seroquel,
- 1:31B,
- 1:32Xanax,
- 1:34C,
- 1:34Haldol,
- 1:36D,
- 1:36lithium,
- 1:38or
- 1:38E,
- 1:39Ambien?
- 1:41Okay,
- 1:41you
- 1:42can
- 1:42pause
- 1:42this
- 1:42if
- 1:42you'd
- 1:43like.
- 1:43You
- 1:44can
- 1:44think
- 1:44about
- 1:44it.
- 1:44You
- 1:45can
- 1:45phone
- 1:45a
- 1:45friend
- 1:47and
- 1:48maybe
- 1:48ask
- 1:48your
- 1:49professor,
- 1:49ask
- 1:49your
- 1:50peers.
- 1:50If
- 1:50you're
- 1:50in
- 1:50a
- 1:50zoom
- 1:51group,
- 1:51it's
- 1:51a
- 1:51great
- 1:52time
- 1:52to
- 1:52just
- 1:52pause
- 1:53this
- 1:53and
- 1:54think
- 1:54about
- 1:55what
- 1:55are
- 1:55the
- 1:55possible
- 1:55side
- 1:56effects
- 1:56here?
- 1:56What
- 1:57are
- 1:57the
- 1:57problems?
- 1:59Just
- 1:59think
- 1:59about
- 1:59the
- 2:00question,
- 2:00right?
- 2:00This
- 2:00is
- 2:01all
- 2:01age
- 2:01groups,
- 2:01really,
- 2:0219
- 2:02and
- 2:02above.
- 2:03So
- 2:03this
- 2:03could
- 2:03affect
- 2:04multiple
- 2:04different
- 2:04populations.
- 2:05My
- 2:06friends,
- 2:06the
- 2:06answer
- 2:07is.
- 2:07Drumroll.
- 2:09Ambien,
- 2:10yes.
- 2:11Might
- 2:11be
- 2:11surprising
- 2:12to
- 2:12some
- 2:12of
- 2:12you,
- 2:13maybe
- 2:13it
- 2:13wasn't,
- 2:14but
- 2:14Ambien
- 2:15alone
- 2:15accounted
- 2:16for
- 2:17almost
- 2:1712%
- 2:18of
- 2:18all
- 2:18adult
- 2:18psychiatric
- 2:19medication
- 2:20adverse
- 2:20drug
- 2:20event
- 2:21ED
- 2:22visits.
- 2:23It's
- 2:23really
- 2:23significantly
- 2:24more
- 2:24than
- 2:24any
- 2:24other
- 2:25psychiatric
- 2:26drug.
- 2:26And
- 2:27if
- 2:27you
- 2:27stratify
- 2:28this
- 2:28to
- 2:29geriatric
- 2:30folks
- 2:3065
- 2:31or
- 2:31older,
- 2:32it's
- 2:32really
- 2:32one
- 2:32in
- 2:33five
- 2:34of
- 2:34those
- 2:34visits.
- 2:36Ambien
- 2:37had
- 2:37its
- 2:38fingerprints
- 2:38on
- 2:38that
- 2:39visit
- 2:39in
- 2:39the
- 2:39form
- 2:39of,
- 2:40like,
- 2:40falls
- 2:41or
- 2:42accidents
- 2:42or
- 2:42things
- 2:43like
- 2:43that.
- 2:44Now,
- 2:44as
- 2:45a
- 2:45prescriber
- 2:46myself,
- 2:46I'm
- 2:47not
- 2:47a
- 2:47huge
- 2:47fan
- 2:48of
- 2:48Ambien.
- 2:48I
- 2:49rarely,
- 2:49if
- 2:49ever,
- 2:50prescribe
- 2:50it.
- 2:51You
- 2:51have
- 2:51really
- 2:52robust
- 2:52data
- 2:53out
- 2:53there
- 2:53that
- 2:53CBTI
- 2:55is
- 2:55kind
- 2:55of
- 2:55the
- 2:56gold
- 2:56standard
- 2:56to
- 2:56bring
- 2:57sleep
- 2:57back
- 2:57on
- 2:58board.
- 2:58You'd
- 2:59be
- 2:59surprised
- 2:59how
- 3:00many
- 3:00people
- 3:00will
- 3:00feel
- 3:01better
- 3:01or
- 3:01sleep
- 3:01better
- 3:02with
- 3:02melatonin.
- 3:03Just
- 3:03realigning
- 3:04their
- 3:04circadian
- 3:05rhythm.
- 3:05There's
- 3:06Ramelteon,
- 3:07which
- 3:07is
- 3:07a
- 3:08melatonin
- 3:08agonist.
- 3:08I
- 3:09use
- 3:09that
- 3:09a
- 3:09lot.
- 3:09I
- 3:09use
- 3:10Doxepin.
- 3:10That's
- 3:11been
- 3:11the
- 3:11new
- 3:11kid
- 3:11on
- 3:11the.
- 3:11Well,
- 3:12it's
- 3:12not
- 3:12the
- 3:12new
- 3:12kid
- 3:12on
- 3:12the
- 3:12block,
- 3:13but
- 3:13for
- 3:13me
- 3:13it
- 3:13is.
- 3:14I
- 3:14use
- 3:14Doxepin
- 3:15a
- 3:15heck
- 3:15of
- 3:16a
- 3:16lot
- 3:17for
- 3:17its
- 3:17really
- 3:18clean,
- 3:18potent
- 3:19anti
- 3:19histaminergic
- 3:20effect.
- 3:21Something
- 3:21like
- 3:21a
- 3:22hundred
- 3:22times
- 3:22more
- 3:22potent
- 3:23Doxepin
- 3:24is
- 3:24at
- 3:24histamine
- 3:25compared
- 3:26to
- 3:26like
- 3:26Benadryl,
- 3:27which
- 3:27is
- 3:27an
- 3:27interesting
- 3:28fact.
- 3:28And
- 3:28it
- 3:28doesn't
- 3:29have
- 3:29all
- 3:29those
- 3:29muddy
- 3:30side
- 3:30effects
- 3:30that
- 3:31Benadryl
- 3:32can
- 3:32have
- 3:33with,
- 3:33you
- 3:33know,
- 3:34the
- 3:34anticholinergic
- 3:35side
- 3:35effects,
- 3:35et
- 3:36cetera,
- 3:36et
- 3:36cetera.
- 3:37So
- 3:37I
- 3:37avoid
- 3:38Ambien.
- 3:39We've
- 3:39all
- 3:39heard
- 3:40the
- 3:40horror
- 3:40stories
- 3:41out
- 3:41there,
- 3:42and
- 3:43I'm
- 3:43sure
- 3:43it
- 3:43can
- 3:43be
- 3:43great
- 3:43in
- 3:44the
- 3:44right
- 3:44patient
- 3:44at
- 3:45the
- 3:45right
- 3:45time.
- 3:45You
- 3:45know,
- 3:46all
- 3:46these
- 3:46meds
- 3:46are
- 3:47great
- 3:47for
- 3:47the
- 3:47right
- 3:47person
- 3:48at
- 3:48the
- 3:48right
- 3:48time,
- 3:49but
- 3:49you
- 3:49have
- 3:49heard
- 3:50horror
- 3:51stories
- 3:52that
- 3:52the
- 3:52FDA
- 3:53has
- 3:53even
- 3:53warned
- 3:53us
- 3:53about.
- 3:54You
- 3:54know,
- 3:54people
- 3:54driving,
- 3:55people
- 3:55having
- 3:56sex
- 3:56on
- 3:56Ambien
- 3:56and
- 3:57not
- 3:57remembering
- 3:57it.
- 3:58That's
- 3:58pretty
- 3:58scary.
- 3:59That's
- 3:59kind
- 3:59of
- 3:59the
- 3:59last
- 4:00thing
- 4:00I
- 4:00want
- 4:00when
- 4:00I
- 4:00prescribe
- 4:01a
- 4:01medication
- 4:01for
- 4:02my
- 4:02patient
- 4:02that
- 4:03they're
- 4:03having
- 4:03sex
- 4:03in
- 4:03a
- 4:04car
- 4:04on
- 4:04the
- 4:04freeway
- 4:05going
- 4:0590
- 4:05miles
- 4:05an
- 4:06hour
- 4:06and
- 4:06they
- 4:06don't
- 4:06even
- 4:06remember
- 4:07it.
- 4:08Not
- 4:08a
- 4:08very
- 4:08fun
- 4:08side
- 4:09effect
- 4:09to
- 4:09deal
- 4:09with
- 4:09whether
- 4:10you're
- 4:10the
- 4:10patient
- 4:10or
- 4:11the
- 4:11prescriber.
- 4:12Not
- 4:12that
- 4:12that
- 4:12happens
- 4:13every
- 4:13time.
- 4:13Right.
- 4:14But
- 4:15it's
- 4:15enough
- 4:15to
- 4:15spook
- 4:16me
- 4:16away
- 4:16from
- 4:16Ambien.
- 4:17And
- 4:17so
- 4:18I
- 4:18hit
- 4:18those
- 4:18other
- 4:19medications
- 4:20or
- 4:20CBTI
- 4:21and
- 4:21kind
- 4:22of
- 4:22incorporate
- 4:22that
- 4:23in
- 4:23my
- 4:24teaching,
- 4:24in
- 4:24my
- 4:24psycho
- 4:25education
- 4:25as
- 4:26well.
- 4:26But
- 4:27very
- 4:27interesting,
- 4:28right?
- 4:28Ambien
- 4:29here.
- 4:29So
- 4:30the
- 4:30other,
- 4:30now
- 4:31the
- 4:31other
- 4:31choices
- 4:32on
- 4:32this
- 4:33multiple
- 4:33choice
- 4:33question
- 4:34are
- 4:34actually
- 4:35they're
- 4:35not
- 4:36really
- 4:36innocent
- 4:36either.
- 4:37Okay.
- 4:37Again,
- 4:37these
- 4:38are
- 4:38all
- 4:38fantastic
- 4:39life
- 4:39saving
- 4:39medications
- 4:40in
- 4:40the
- 4:40right
- 4:40person
- 4:41at
- 4:41the
- 4:41right
- 4:41time.
- 4:42So
- 4:42I'm
- 4:42not
- 4:42one
- 4:43of
- 4:43those
- 4:43people
- 4:43who
- 4:44really
- 4:45poo
- 4:45poos
- 4:46any
- 4:46medication.
- 4:47There's
- 4:47a
- 4:47reason
- 4:47these
- 4:48medications
- 4:48exist.
- 4:49You
- 4:50all
- 4:50probably
- 4:50have
- 4:50a
- 4:50patient
- 4:51or
- 4:51maybe
- 4:51an
- 4:52uncle
- 4:53or
- 4:53a
- 4:53younger
- 4:54brother
- 4:54or
- 4:54someone
- 4:55who
- 4:55has
- 4:55taken
- 4:56these
- 4:56meds
- 4:57and
- 4:57they
- 4:57have
- 4:57been
- 4:57life
- 4:58changing,
- 4:58right?
- 4:58If
- 4:58you
- 4:59have
- 4:59schizophrenia
- 5:00and
- 5:00you're
- 5:00hearing
- 5:01voices
- 5:01that
- 5:01are
- 5:02taunting
- 5:02you
- 5:03or
- 5:03commanding
- 5:04you
- 5:04to
- 5:04kill
- 5:04yourself,
- 5:05Haldol
- 5:05could
- 5:05be
- 5:06one
- 5:06of
- 5:06the
- 5:06most
- 5:06life
- 5:07saving
- 5:07medications
- 5:08in
- 5:08the
- 5:08world
- 5:08to
- 5:09you
- 5:09might
- 5:09be
- 5:09one
- 5:10of
- 5:10the
- 5:10only
- 5:10ones
- 5:10you
- 5:10can
- 5:10afford,
- 5:11right?
- 5:11It's
- 5:11a
- 5:11first
- 5:12generation.
- 5:13It's
- 5:14not
- 5:14like
- 5:14a
- 5:14more
- 5:15expensive
- 5:15second
- 5:15generation
- 5:16that
- 5:16maybe
- 5:16your
- 5:16insurance
- 5:17doesn't
- 5:17cover.
- 5:18So
- 5:18Haldol
- 5:19might
- 5:20be
- 5:20the
- 5:20most
- 5:21important
- 5:22medication
- 5:22you've
- 5:22ever
- 5:23taken.
- 5:23Interestingly
- 5:24though,
- 5:24Haldol,
- 5:25on
- 5:25our
- 5:25list
- 5:25here,
- 5:26it
- 5:26was
- 5:26option
- 5:26C,
- 5:27choice
- 5:27C.
- 5:28Haldol
- 5:28actually
- 5:29has
- 5:30the
- 5:30highest
- 5:31rate
- 5:32of
- 5:32all
- 5:32the
- 5:32prescriptions
- 5:33period,
- 5:33that
- 5:34we
- 5:34just
- 5:34mentioned,
- 5:35actually
- 5:36eight
- 5:36times
- 5:37Ambien's
- 5:37rate
- 5:38leading
- 5:39to
- 5:39emergency
- 5:40room
- 5:40visits.
- 5:40However,
- 5:41it's
- 5:41not
- 5:41prescribed
- 5:42nearly
- 5:42as
- 5:42often
- 5:43as
- 5:43Ambien,
- 5:44so
- 5:44you
- 5:44don't
- 5:44see
- 5:45it
- 5:45in
- 5:45the
- 5:45ER
- 5:45as
- 5:46often.
- 5:46But
- 5:47if
- 5:47this
- 5:47was
- 5:47a
- 5:47multiple
- 5:48choice
- 5:48question
- 5:48asking
- 5:49you
- 5:49like
- 5:49the
- 5:49most
- 5:50serious
- 5:50offender
- 5:51per
- 5:51prescription
- 5:52proportion,
- 5:53Haldol
- 5:54would
- 5:54be
- 5:55number
- 5:55one.
- 5:56Haldol
- 5:57has
- 5:58an
- 5:58extremely
- 5:59high
- 5:59rate
- 5:59of
- 5:59emergency
- 6:00room
- 6:00visits
- 6:01due
- 6:01to
- 6:02movement
- 6:02disorders,
- 6:03eps,
- 6:04dystonias,
- 6:05acute
- 6:05dystonia.
- 6:05You've
- 6:06probably
- 6:06learned
- 6:06about
- 6:06this
- 6:07in
- 6:07your
- 6:07coursework,
- 6:07right?
- 6:08The
- 6:08oculogy
- 6:09crisis,
- 6:10you
- 6:10know,
- 6:10where
- 6:11you
- 6:11where
- 6:11your
- 6:11entire
- 6:13airway,
- 6:14your
- 6:14eyes
- 6:14can
- 6:15kind
- 6:15of
- 6:16engage
- 6:16in
- 6:16this
- 6:17like
- 6:17muscle
- 6:17lock.
- 6:18That's
- 6:18a
- 6:18medical
- 6:19emergency.
- 6:19Your
- 6:19airway
- 6:20is
- 6:20implicated.
- 6:20You
- 6:20have
- 6:21to
- 6:21get
- 6:21immediate
- 6:21medical
- 6:21attention
- 6:22for
- 6:22that.
- 6:23So
- 6:23Haldol
- 6:24again
- 6:25has
- 6:25its
- 6:26spooky
- 6:27tendencies
- 6:28too.
- 6:28It
- 6:28can
- 6:28bring
- 6:28you
- 6:28to
- 6:28the
- 6:29ER
- 6:30if
- 6:30we're
- 6:30not
- 6:31careful.
- 6:31Lithium
- 6:32was
- 6:32on
- 6:32this
- 6:32list.
- 6:33Lithium
- 6:34is
- 6:36actually
- 6:38not
- 6:38as
- 6:39likely
- 6:39to
- 6:40bring
- 6:40you
- 6:40to
- 6:40the
- 6:40ER
- 6:41as
- 6:41Ambien
- 6:42is,
- 6:42or
- 6:42it's
- 6:43not
- 6:43as
- 6:43commonly
- 6:43seen
- 6:44in
- 6:44the
- 6:44er,
- 6:45but
- 6:45it
- 6:45has
- 6:45the
- 6:45highest
- 6:46admission
- 6:46rate
- 6:46of
- 6:47any
- 6:47psychiatric
- 6:47medication.
- 6:48And
- 6:48that
- 6:48might
- 6:49not
- 6:49come
- 6:49as
- 6:49a
- 6:49huge
- 6:50surprise
- 6:50to
- 6:50you
- 6:51because
- 6:51lithium
- 6:52toxicity,
- 6:53you
- 6:53know,
- 6:53seizures,
- 6:54coma,
- 6:55ataxia,
- 6:56things
- 6:57can
- 6:57get
- 6:57really
- 6:57wonky
- 6:58with
- 6:58your
- 6:58kidneys.
- 6:59So
- 7:00lithium,
- 7:00of
- 7:00course,
- 7:01is
- 7:02one
- 7:03of
- 7:03the
- 7:03most
- 7:03fascinating
- 7:04and
- 7:04powerful
- 7:05and,
- 7:05and
- 7:06incredible
- 7:07medications.
- 7:07Talk
- 7:08about
- 7:08life
- 7:08saving,
- 7:08right?
- 7:09What
- 7:09it
- 7:09can
- 7:09do
- 7:09for
- 7:10suicide,
- 7:10suicide
- 7:11attempts.
- 7:11It's
- 7:11one
- 7:12of
- 7:12the
- 7:12only
- 7:12medications
- 7:13out
- 7:13there
- 7:13that
- 7:13has
- 7:14been
- 7:14evidence
- 7:15has
- 7:15shown
- 7:15to
- 7:15actually
- 7:15reduce
- 7:16suicide
- 7:17attempts,
- 7:18so
- 7:19or
- 7:19to
- 7:19prevent
- 7:20suicide
- 7:20at
- 7:20all.
- 7:21It's
- 7:21a
- 7:21life
- 7:22saving
- 7:22miracle
- 7:23medication
- 7:23for
- 7:24some,
- 7:24but
- 7:24it
- 7:24is
- 7:24the
- 7:25most
- 7:25likely
- 7:25to
- 7:25lead
- 7:25to
- 7:26hospitalization.
- 7:27So
- 7:27this
- 7:27was
- 7:27an
- 7:28ED
- 7:28visit
- 7:28question,
- 7:29so
- 7:29devil's
- 7:30in
- 7:30the
- 7:30details.
- 7:30Now,
- 7:31Seroquel
- 7:32also
- 7:32has
- 7:33higher
- 7:33rates
- 7:34per
- 7:34prescription
- 7:35of
- 7:35getting
- 7:35folks
- 7:36to
- 7:36the
- 7:36ER
- 7:36than
- 7:37Ambien,
- 7:37but
- 7:37again,
- 7:38Ambien
- 7:38is
- 7:38prescribed
- 7:39much
- 7:39more
- 7:39often.
- 7:40Okay,
- 7:40so
- 7:41it's
- 7:41really
- 7:42neat
- 7:42to
- 7:42look
- 7:42at
- 7:42the
- 7:42overall
- 7:43prescription
- 7:43rates
- 7:44of
- 7:44these
- 7:45medications
- 7:46and
- 7:47not
- 7:47just
- 7:47consider,
- 7:49not
- 7:49just
- 7:49to
- 7:49consider
- 7:49how
- 7:50many
- 7:50of
- 7:50them
- 7:50you
- 7:50see
- 7:50in
- 7:51an
- 7:51ER
- 7:51as
- 7:51a
- 7:51population
- 7:53based
- 7:53question,
- 7:54but
- 7:54of
- 7:54course
- 7:54per
- 7:55prescription
- 7:55as
- 7:56well.
- 7:57Okay,
- 7:57so
- 7:58pound
- 7:58for
- 7:58pound
- 7:59per
- 7:59prescription,
- 8:00if
- 8:00you're
- 8:00prescribing
- 8:01Seroquel
- 8:02and
- 8:02Ambien
- 8:04one
- 8:04to
- 8:05one,
- 8:05you're
- 8:06probably
- 8:06gonna
- 8:07have
- 8:07more
- 8:07ED
- 8:07visits
- 8:08statistically
- 8:08at
- 8:08least
- 8:09from,
- 8:09from
- 8:09your
- 8:09Seroquel
- 8:10than
- 8:10your
- 8:10Ambien.
- 8:11But
- 8:11again,
- 8:12it's
- 8:12not
- 8:12one
- 8:12to
- 8:12One
- 8:13out
- 8:13there
- 8:13in
- 8:13the
- 8:13population.
- 8:14Um,
- 8:15it's.
- 8:15I
- 8:15don't
- 8:15know
- 8:15the
- 8:15exact
- 8:16ratio.
- 8:16I
- 8:17didn't
- 8:17look
- 8:17that
- 8:17up
- 8:17today.
- 8:18But
- 8:18clearly,
- 8:19Ambien
- 8:19is
- 8:19prescribed
- 8:20more
- 8:20often.
- 8:20That's
- 8:21why
- 8:21you
- 8:21see
- 8:21more
- 8:22people
- 8:24in
- 8:24the
- 8:24ER
- 8:25because
- 8:25of
- 8:26Ambien.
- 8:26Right?
- 8:27It's
- 8:27kind
- 8:27of
- 8:28like
- 8:28you
- 8:28see
- 8:28more
- 8:28people
- 8:29in
- 8:29the
- 8:29ER
- 8:30because
- 8:30of
- 8:31car
- 8:31accidents
- 8:31and
- 8:32less
- 8:32people
- 8:33in
- 8:33the
- 8:33ER
- 8:33because
- 8:34they
- 8:34were
- 8:34shot
- 8:34with
- 8:34a
- 8:34cannonball.
- 8:35It
- 8:36doesn't
- 8:36mean
- 8:36that
- 8:36cannonballs
- 8:37are,
- 8:37like,
- 8:37more
- 8:38harmless
- 8:38than
- 8:38car
- 8:38accidents.
- 8:39They
- 8:40actually.
- 8:40They're
- 8:41probably
- 8:41much
- 8:41more
- 8:42deadly
- 8:42than.
- 8:42Than
- 8:43car
- 8:43accidents,
- 8:44but
- 8:44there's
- 8:44just
- 8:44not
- 8:45a
- 8:45lot
- 8:45of
- 8:45people
- 8:45getting
- 8:45shot
- 8:46with
- 8:47a
- 8:47cannonball.
- 8:48You
- 8:48get
- 8:48my
- 8:49drift,
- 8:49right?
- 8:50So
- 8:50anyhow,
- 8:51I
- 8:51hope
- 8:51you
- 8:51appreciated
- 8:52that
- 8:52little
- 8:52pearl
- 8:53just
- 8:53now.
- 8:55I
- 8:55sure
- 8:56love
- 8:56it.
- 8:57And,
- 8:58yeah,
- 8:58it's
- 8:58pretty
- 8:59interesting,
- 8:59isn't
- 8:59it?
- 9:00Now
- 9:00we
- 9:01want
- 9:01to
- 9:01really
- 9:01get
- 9:01into
- 9:02this
- 9:02a
- 9:02little.
- 9:02I
- 9:02wanted
- 9:03to
- 9:03get
- 9:03into
- 9:03why
- 9:05Ambien
- 9:06can
- 9:06be
- 9:06tricky,
- 9:06particularly
- 9:07for
- 9:08elderly
- 9:08populations.
- 9:09This
- 9:09is
- 9:10kind
- 9:10of
- 9:10what
- 9:10I
- 9:10want
- 9:10this.
- 9:11The
- 9:11rest
- 9:11of
- 9:11this
- 9:12episode
- 9:12to
- 9:12focus
- 9:13on.
- 9:13Okay.
- 9:14The
- 9:14elderly
- 9:15population
- 9:16is
- 9:16kind
- 9:17of
- 9:17fascinating.
- 9:18And
- 9:18in
- 9:18order
- 9:18to
- 9:18kind
- 9:18of
- 9:19talk
- 9:19about
- 9:19this,
- 9:19we
- 9:19have
- 9:20to
- 9:20think
- 9:20about
- 9:20the
- 9:20difference
- 9:21between
- 9:21pharmacokinetics
- 9:22and
- 9:22pharmacodynamics.
- 9:23You've
- 9:24probably
- 9:24heard
- 9:24about
- 9:24this
- 9:25before,
- 9:25but
- 9:25pharmacokinetics
- 9:26are
- 9:27kind
- 9:27of
- 9:27what
- 9:27the
- 9:27body
- 9:28does
- 9:28to
- 9:28the
- 9:28drug.
- 9:28Okay.
- 9:29How
- 9:29it
- 9:29kind
- 9:29of
- 9:29moves
- 9:30through
- 9:30your
- 9:30body,
- 9:31how
- 9:31it's
- 9:31absorbed,
- 9:32how
- 9:32it's
- 9:32distributed,
- 9:33how
- 9:33it's
- 9:33metabolized,
- 9:34how
- 9:34it's
- 9:34eliminated.
- 9:35Okay.
- 9:36Versus
- 9:36pharmacodynamics.
- 9:37And
- 9:38that's
- 9:38really
- 9:38what
- 9:38the
- 9:38drug
- 9:39does
- 9:39to
- 9:39the
- 9:39body.
- 9:40Okay.
- 9:40Does
- 9:40it
- 9:41cause
- 9:41sedation,
- 9:42changes
- 9:42in
- 9:42mood,
- 9:43other
- 9:44side
- 9:44effects?
- 9:45Right.
- 9:45What
- 9:45the
- 9:45drug
- 9:46does
- 9:46to
- 9:46the
- 9:46body.
- 9:47So
- 9:48it's
- 9:48just
- 9:48kind
- 9:48of
- 9:48an
- 9:49interesting,
- 9:50Interesting
- 9:51dynamic
- 9:52that
- 9:52we
- 9:52need
- 9:52to
- 9:53think
- 9:53about
- 9:54as
- 9:54we
- 9:54go
- 9:55about
- 9:55the
- 9:56rest
- 9:56of
- 9:56this
- 9:56conversation,
- 9:57if
- 9:57you
- 9:58will.
- 9:58So
- 9:59now
- 10:00I
- 10:00want
- 10:00to
- 10:00talk
- 10:00about
- 10:01a
- 10:01mock
- 10:02patient.
- 10:02We'll
- 10:02call
- 10:03him
- 10:03Arthur.
- 10:03I
- 10:03looked
- 10:04up,
- 10:04like,
- 10:04what's
- 10:04the
- 10:04oldest
- 10:05name?
- 10:06If
- 10:06you're.
- 10:06If
- 10:06you're
- 10:06a
- 10:07hundred
- 10:07years
- 10:07old
- 10:07or
- 10:08older?
- 10:09Like,
- 10:09what.
- 10:09What's
- 10:10your
- 10:10name
- 10:10most
- 10:10likely
- 10:11going
- 10:11to
- 10:11be?
- 10:11And
- 10:11it's
- 10:12Arthur.
- 10:12I'm
- 10:12pretty
- 10:12sure
- 10:13it's
- 10:13Arthur.
- 10:13At
- 10:14least
- 10:14if
- 10:14you're
- 10:14a
- 10:14male.
- 10:14I
- 10:15don't
- 10:15know
- 10:15any
- 10:15female
- 10:15Arthur's.
- 10:16If
- 10:16you
- 10:16do,
- 10:18that's.
- 10:18You
- 10:18found
- 10:19a
- 10:19unicorn.
- 10:20So
- 10:21Arthur.
- 10:22Let's
- 10:22just
- 10:23pretend
- 10:24that
- 10:24Arthur
- 10:25ends
- 10:25up
- 10:25in
- 10:25the
- 10:25ER
- 10:26and
- 10:26he
- 10:27hit
- 10:27his
- 10:27head.
- 10:28He
- 10:28fell
- 10:28and
- 10:28hit
- 10:29his
- 10:29head.
- 10:29He's
- 10:30stable
- 10:30overall.
- 10:31But
- 10:32Arthur,
- 10:34lo
- 10:34and
- 10:34behold,
- 10:34was
- 10:35on
- 10:35Ambien.
- 10:35He
- 10:35was
- 10:36prescribed
- 10:3610
- 10:36milligrams
- 10:37of
- 10:37Ambien.
- 10:38Actually
- 10:38for
- 10:39sleep.
- 10:40And
- 10:40you're
- 10:40the
- 10:40ER
- 10:41doc,
- 10:41maybe,
- 10:42or
- 10:42you're
- 10:42consulting
- 10:43in
- 10:43a
- 10:43psychiatric
- 10:44capacity
- 10:44to
- 10:44the
- 10:44er.
- 10:45And
- 10:46your
- 10:46first
- 10:47look
- 10:47at
- 10:47this
- 10:48right
- 10:48is,
- 10:48oh,
- 10:48my
- 10:49God,
- 10:49Arthur's
- 10:5095
- 10:50years
- 10:51old
- 10:51and
- 10:52somebody
- 10:53gave
- 10:53him
- 10:54Ambien.
- 10:54Well,
- 10:54this
- 10:54is
- 10:55clearly
- 10:56not
- 10:56what
- 10:56the
- 10:56American
- 10:57Geriatric
- 10:58Society
- 10:59would
- 10:59recommend
- 11:00at
- 11:00all.
- 11:00In
- 11:00fact,
- 11:01the
- 11:02maximum
- 11:02dose
- 11:03that
- 11:03really
- 11:03should
- 11:04ever
- 11:04be
- 11:04prescribed,
- 11:05if
- 11:05at
- 11:05all,
- 11:06would
- 11:06be
- 11:06like
- 11:075
- 11:07milligrams
- 11:07of
- 11:08Ambien.
- 11:09We
- 11:09don't
- 11:09want
- 11:09to
- 11:10give
- 11:1010
- 11:11milligrams
- 11:11of
- 11:11Ambien.
- 11:12We
- 11:12don't
- 11:12even
- 11:12want
- 11:12to
- 11:12give
- 11:137.5
- 11:13milligrams
- 11:14of
- 11:14Ambien
- 11:15to
- 11:15our
- 11:16patient
- 11:16Arthur.
- 11:17And
- 11:17there's
- 11:18a
- 11:18reason
- 11:18that
- 11:20Ambien
- 11:20is
- 11:20on
- 11:20the
- 11:20beers
- 11:21list.
- 11:21There's
- 11:21a
- 11:21reason
- 11:22that
- 11:22these
- 11:23types
- 11:23of
- 11:23medications
- 11:24are
- 11:24ill
- 11:24advised
- 11:25in
- 11:25the
- 11:25elderly.
- 11:26And
- 11:26that's
- 11:26what
- 11:26we
- 11:26want
- 11:26to
- 11:26talk
- 11:27about.
- 11:27We
- 11:27want
- 11:27to
- 11:28talk
- 11:28about
- 11:28the
- 11:28pharmacokinetics
- 11:29and
- 11:29dynamics
- 11:30that
- 11:31lead
- 11:32to
- 11:32those
- 11:32recommendations
- 11:33against
- 11:34medications
- 11:35like
- 11:35Ambien
- 11:36being
- 11:37prescribed
- 11:38to
- 11:39folks
- 11:40like
- 11:40Arthur.
- 11:41Okay,
- 11:41now
- 11:41I
- 11:42want
- 11:42you
- 11:42again
- 11:42to
- 11:42think
- 11:43of
- 11:43the
- 11:43acronym
- 11:44adme,
- 11:45Absorption,
- 11:46Distribution,
- 11:47Metabolism,
- 11:47and
- 11:48Elimination.
- 11:48Very,
- 11:49four
- 11:49very
- 11:49clean
- 11:50simple
- 11:50concepts
- 11:51here
- 11:51as
- 11:52to
- 11:52why
- 11:52Arthur
- 11:53should
- 11:53not
- 11:54be
- 11:54given
- 11:54Ambien.
- 11:56Okay?
- 11:56And
- 11:56maybe
- 11:57should
- 11:57be
- 11:57pointed
- 11:57more
- 11:57towards
- 11:58cbti.
- 11:59Maybe.
- 11:59Doxy
- 12:00pin
- 12:00has
- 12:01a
- 12:01lot
- 12:01more
- 12:01evidence
- 12:02in
- 12:02the
- 12:02elderly.
- 12:02You
- 12:03still
- 12:03have
- 12:03to
- 12:03be
- 12:03careful.
- 12:04There's
- 12:04still
- 12:04sedation
- 12:05that
- 12:05could,
- 12:05could
- 12:05happen,
- 12:06Right?
- 12:06But
- 12:07Ambien
- 12:07is
- 12:07particularly
- 12:08problematic.
- 12:10Okay?
- 12:11So
- 12:12we
- 12:12gotta
- 12:12think
- 12:12of
- 12:12a
- 12:12few
- 12:13things.
- 12:13So
- 12:14let's
- 12:14think
- 12:14of.
- 12:14Let's
- 12:15think
- 12:15about
- 12:15the
- 12:15first
- 12:15thing
- 12:16as
- 12:16when
- 12:17people
- 12:17get
- 12:17older,
- 12:18right,
- 12:19their
- 12:20heart
- 12:20pumps
- 12:20a
- 12:20little
- 12:21less
- 12:21forcefully,
- 12:22maybe
- 12:22their
- 12:22blood
- 12:23vessels
- 12:23get
- 12:23a
- 12:24little
- 12:24stiffer
- 12:24and
- 12:24narrower.
- 12:25So
- 12:25less
- 12:26blood
- 12:26is
- 12:26really
- 12:26reaching
- 12:27their
- 12:27organs
- 12:28every
- 12:28minute.
- 12:28And
- 12:29why
- 12:29that
- 12:29matters
- 12:29for
- 12:30the
- 12:30medications
- 12:30we
- 12:30prescribe
- 12:31is
- 12:32that
- 12:32blood
- 12:32is
- 12:33kind
- 12:33of
- 12:33what
- 12:33delivers
- 12:34these
- 12:34drugs
- 12:34to
- 12:34the
- 12:34liver
- 12:35and
- 12:35the
- 12:35kidneys
- 12:35to
- 12:36be
- 12:36processed
- 12:36and
- 12:36cleared.
- 12:37So
- 12:37if
- 12:37blood
- 12:38flow
- 12:39is
- 12:40slower,
- 12:40it's
- 12:41not
- 12:41as
- 12:41forceful
- 12:41or
- 12:42efficient.
- 13:37Your
- 13:37drugs
- 13:38get
- 13:38to
- 13:38the
- 13:38liver
- 13:38more
- 13:39slowly
- 13:40to
- 13:40be
- 13:40processed
- 13:40out.
- 13:40They
- 13:41get
- 13:41to
- 13:41the
- 13:41kidneys
- 13:41more
- 13:42slowly
- 13:42to
- 13:42be
- 13:42eliminated.
- 13:43They
- 13:43just
- 13:44get
- 13:44metabolized
- 13:45more
- 13:45slowly
- 13:46more
- 13:46generally.
- 13:47And
- 13:47so
- 13:47they
- 13:47stay
- 13:47in
- 13:48the
- 13:48body
- 13:48longer.
- 13:49Well,
- 13:50you
- 13:50know,
- 13:50that's.
- 13:51That's
- 13:51a
- 13:51little
- 13:51concerning
- 13:52because
- 13:52the
- 13:52more
- 13:53they
- 13:53stay
- 13:53in
- 13:53your
- 13:53body
- 13:54longer,
- 13:55well,
- 13:56that
- 13:56can
- 13:56very
- 13:56much
- 13:56affect
- 13:57the
- 13:57maximum
- 13:58levels
- 13:58of
- 13:59drug
- 13:59in
- 14:00the
- 14:00body
- 14:00at
- 14:00any
- 14:00given
- 14:01time,
- 14:01the
- 14:01half
- 14:01life
- 14:02of
- 14:02the
- 14:02drug.
- 14:03And
- 14:03will
- 14:04that
- 14:04really
- 14:04messes
- 14:05with
- 14:05your
- 14:05drug,
- 14:05timing
- 14:06the
- 14:06potency
- 14:06of
- 14:07that
- 14:07drug
- 14:08for
- 14:08that
- 14:08particular
- 14:08individual.
- 14:09And
- 14:09so
- 14:10for
- 14:10the
- 14:10elderly,
- 14:10this
- 14:11is
- 14:11uniquely
- 14:12problematic.
- 14:12And
- 14:13the,
- 14:13the
- 14:13less
- 14:14blood
- 14:15or
- 14:15the,
- 14:15the
- 14:16slower
- 14:16Blood
- 14:16flow
- 14:16is
- 14:17just
- 14:17one
- 14:17dynamic
- 14:18that
- 14:18actually
- 14:19changes
- 14:20the
- 14:20game
- 14:20a
- 14:21lot
- 14:21too,
- 14:21right?
- 14:22So
- 14:22the
- 14:23elderly,
- 14:23when
- 14:23we
- 14:23talk
- 14:24about
- 14:24absorption
- 14:24in
- 14:24this
- 14:25acronym,
- 14:25adme,
- 14:26the
- 14:26absorption
- 14:27piece,
- 14:28the
- 14:28elderly
- 14:29usually
- 14:29have
- 14:29delayed
- 14:29gastric
- 14:30emptying,
- 14:31okay?
- 14:32And
- 14:33that
- 14:33can
- 14:33slow
- 14:34the
- 14:34rate
- 14:34of
- 14:34absorption,
- 14:35right?
- 14:36And
- 14:36that
- 14:36can
- 14:36kind
- 14:36of
- 14:36shift
- 14:37the
- 14:37time
- 14:37to
- 14:37peak
- 14:38concentration,
- 14:38also
- 14:38known
- 14:39as
- 14:39tmax.
- 14:40Okay?
- 14:41So
- 14:41if
- 14:43your
- 14:43stomach
- 14:44is
- 14:44delayed
- 14:45in
- 14:45emptying
- 14:46the
- 14:46medication
- 14:47into
- 14:47the
- 14:47small
- 14:47intestine,
- 14:48again,
- 14:49you
- 14:49have
- 14:49more
- 14:50drug
- 14:50hanging
- 14:50out
- 14:51for
- 14:51longer
- 14:51periods
- 14:52of
- 14:52time.
- 14:52It's
- 14:52accumulating
- 14:53longer,
- 14:53it's
- 14:53not
- 14:53being
- 14:54eliminated
- 14:54quickly
- 14:55enough.
- 14:56So
- 14:56you
- 14:56have
- 14:56a
- 14:57higher
- 14:57tmax,
- 14:57you
- 14:58have
- 14:58a
- 14:58higher
- 14:58concentration
- 14:59of
- 14:59the
- 14:59medication
- 15:00in
- 15:00your
- 15:00bloodstream,
- 15:01eventually.
- 15:02And.
- 15:02And
- 15:02it's
- 15:02for
- 15:02a
- 15:03longer
- 15:03period
- 15:03of
- 15:03time
- 15:04in
- 15:04the
- 15:04elderly,
- 15:05okay?
- 15:05So
- 15:05the
- 15:05peak
- 15:06is
- 15:06actually
- 15:07happening
- 15:07later
- 15:08too.
- 15:08The
- 15:08peak
- 15:08drug
- 15:09level
- 15:09is
- 15:09occurring
- 15:10later.
- 15:10So
- 15:10for
- 15:11a
- 15:11young
- 15:11guy,
- 15:11you
- 15:12might
- 15:12Prescribe
- 15:13Ambien
- 15:13at
- 15:1410,
- 15:14and
- 15:14maybe
- 15:14the
- 15:14peak
- 15:15is
- 15:15around
- 15:1512
- 15:15or
- 15:151
- 15:15in
- 15:16the
- 15:16morning.
- 15:16Well,
- 15:17because
- 15:17this
- 15:17is
- 15:17like,
- 15:17there's
- 15:18like
- 15:18a
- 15:18delay
- 15:18of
- 15:18game
- 15:19here,
- 15:19right?
- 15:20It's
- 15:20almost
- 15:20like
- 15:20a
- 15:20flight
- 15:20that's
- 15:21delayed,
- 15:22okay?
- 15:22When
- 15:22your
- 15:22flight
- 15:22is
- 15:23delayed,
- 15:23it's
- 15:23gonna
- 15:23get
- 15:23to
- 15:2435,000ft
- 15:25later
- 15:26on
- 15:26in
- 15:26the
- 15:26night.
- 15:26Because
- 15:27it's
- 15:27delayed,
- 15:27it's
- 15:28not
- 15:28getting
- 15:28up
- 15:28there
- 15:28fast
- 15:29enough.
- 15:29So
- 15:30now
- 15:30you
- 15:30were
- 15:30supposed
- 15:30to
- 15:31be
- 15:31at
- 15:3135,000ft
- 15:32at
- 15:32like
- 15:321
- 15:32in
- 15:33the
- 15:33morning.
- 15:33Now
- 15:33you're
- 15:33going
- 15:33to
- 15:33be
- 15:34at
- 15:3435,000ft
- 15:34at
- 15:35Like
- 15:354
- 15:35in
- 15:35the
- 15:35morning.
- 15:36Well,
- 15:36that's
- 15:36a
- 15:36problem
- 15:37because
- 15:38Arthur
- 15:38gets
- 15:38up
- 15:38to
- 15:39pee
- 15:39at
- 15:394
- 15:39in
- 15:39the
- 15:39morning,
- 15:40and
- 15:40then
- 15:40bam,
- 15:41he's
- 15:41at
- 15:42the
- 15:42highest
- 15:44plasma
- 15:45level
- 15:45of
- 15:46his
- 15:46Ambien
- 15:47at
- 15:474
- 15:47in
- 15:47the
- 15:47morning
- 15:48instead
- 15:48of
- 15:48at
- 15:49midnight
- 15:49when
- 15:49he
- 15:49should
- 15:50have
- 15:50been
- 15:50asleep,
- 15:50sound
- 15:51asleep,
- 15:51not
- 15:52having
- 15:52to
- 15:52pee,
- 15:53not
- 15:53having
- 15:53to
- 15:53get
- 15:54up
- 15:54to
- 15:55say
- 15:55nothing
- 15:55of
- 15:55the
- 15:56complex
- 15:56sleep
- 15:56behaviors
- 15:57he
- 15:57might
- 15:57be
- 15:57experiencing
- 15:58as
- 15:58his
- 15:59tmax
- 15:59is
- 15:59high,
- 16:00right?
- 16:00So
- 16:01this
- 16:01is
- 16:01kind
- 16:01of
- 16:01a
- 16:01recipe
- 16:02for
- 16:02disaster.
- 16:03He's
- 16:04hitting
- 16:04his
- 16:04peak
- 16:05later.
- 16:05And
- 16:06that
- 16:06can
- 16:06also
- 16:06cause
- 16:07residual
- 16:07sedation
- 16:08in
- 16:08the
- 16:08morning
- 16:09again.
- 16:09Maybe
- 16:09he
- 16:09has
- 16:10to
- 16:10use
- 16:10the
- 16:10bathroom.
- 16:11Maybe
- 16:11Arthur
- 16:11drives
- 16:13to
- 16:14a
- 16:15garden
- 16:16at
- 16:16seven
- 16:16in
- 16:16the
- 16:16morning
- 16:17where
- 16:17he
- 16:17volunteers
- 16:18to
- 16:19plant
- 16:19vegetables
- 16:20for
- 16:21people,
- 16:21for
- 16:22homeless
- 16:22people
- 16:22or
- 16:23something,
- 16:23right?
- 16:23Maybe
- 16:23he's
- 16:24involved
- 16:24in
- 16:24his
- 16:24community.
- 16:24Maybe
- 16:25he
- 16:25has
- 16:25a
- 16:25bridge
- 16:25tournament
- 16:26at
- 16:268
- 16:26in
- 16:27the
- 16:27morning.
- 16:27Or
- 16:27he's
- 16:27meeting.
- 16:28He's
- 16:29meeting
- 16:29a
- 16:30Tinder
- 16:30date.
- 16:31Older
- 16:31people
- 16:31are
- 16:32on
- 16:32Tinder.
- 16:33Maybe
- 16:33he's
- 16:33meeting
- 16:33a
- 16:33tinder
- 16:34date
- 16:34at
- 16:349
- 16:34in
- 16:34the
- 16:35morning
- 16:35for
- 16:35brunch,
- 16:36okay.
- 16:37At
- 16:37the
- 16:37country
- 16:38club
- 16:38or
- 16:38something.
- 16:39And
- 16:39lo
- 16:39and
- 16:40behold,
- 16:40because
- 16:40of
- 16:41the
- 16:41delay
- 16:41in
- 16:41gastric
- 16:42emptying,
- 16:43he
- 16:43still
- 16:44has
- 16:44residual
- 16:44Ambien
- 16:45in
- 16:45his
- 16:45system,
- 16:45and
- 16:46he
- 16:46Crashes
- 16:46his
- 16:46Buick
- 16:48into
- 16:48a
- 16:48tree.
- 16:49Well,
- 16:49that's
- 16:49awful.
- 16:50He.
- 16:50He
- 16:50was
- 16:50supposed
- 16:51to
- 16:51be
- 16:51on
- 16:51a
- 16:51date.
- 16:53And
- 16:53so
- 16:53look
- 16:53what
- 16:53you
- 16:53did.
- 16:54Look
- 16:54what
- 16:55you
- 16:55did.
- 16:56All
- 16:56right,
- 16:57so
- 16:57you
- 16:57get
- 16:57my
- 16:58point,
- 16:58right?
- 16:58The
- 16:58delayed
- 16:59gastric
- 17:00emptying
- 17:01impacts
- 17:01the
- 17:01absorption
- 17:02of
- 17:02the
- 17:02medication.
- 17:03It's
- 17:03kind
- 17:04of
- 17:04a
- 17:04delayed
- 17:05flight
- 17:05or.
- 17:06Right.
- 17:06And
- 17:06so
- 17:06that's.
- 17:07That's
- 17:07a
- 17:07problem.
- 17:07The
- 17:07peak
- 17:08will
- 17:08be
- 17:08later
- 17:09and
- 17:09bad.
- 17:10So
- 17:10now
- 17:10the
- 17:11D
- 17:11part
- 17:11we
- 17:11talked
- 17:12about,
- 17:12a
- 17:12D,
- 17:12M
- 17:12E
- 17:12D
- 17:13is
- 17:13distribution,
- 17:14also
- 17:14known
- 17:15as
- 17:15the
- 17:15fat
- 17:15trap.
- 17:16Okay?
- 17:16This
- 17:17is
- 17:17where
- 17:17things
- 17:17get
- 17:17clinically
- 17:18important
- 17:18now
- 17:18with
- 17:18aging.
- 17:19Lean
- 17:20body
- 17:20mass
- 17:20and
- 17:21total
- 17:21body
- 17:21water
- 17:21decrease
- 17:22and
- 17:22body
- 17:23fat,
- 17:23as,
- 17:23you
- 17:23know,
- 17:23increases.
- 17:24You
- 17:24don't
- 17:25need
- 17:25to
- 17:25open
- 17:25up
- 17:25a
- 17:25textbook
- 17:26for
- 17:26that.
- 17:27For
- 17:27people
- 17:27like
- 17:27me,
- 17:27I
- 17:28just
- 17:28need
- 17:28to
- 17:28take
- 17:28off
- 17:28my
- 17:29shirt,
- 17:29right?
- 17:29And
- 17:30when
- 17:30you
- 17:30get
- 17:30into
- 17:30your
- 17:3040s
- 17:31or
- 17:3150s,
- 17:32you
- 17:32start
- 17:32to
- 17:33understand,
- 17:33like,
- 17:34you're
- 17:34not
- 17:34lean
- 17:35anymore.
- 17:35You
- 17:36just
- 17:36gradually
- 17:37tend
- 17:37to
- 17:37get
- 17:37fatter
- 17:38every
- 17:38year.
- 17:39As
- 17:39a
- 17:39general
- 17:40rule,
- 17:40and
- 17:40this
- 17:41is
- 17:41my
- 17:41own
- 17:41personal
- 17:42experience
- 17:43speaking,
- 17:45it's
- 17:45from
- 17:45a
- 17:45place
- 17:45of
- 17:46vulnerability
- 17:46and
- 17:47fear
- 17:47that
- 17:47I'm
- 17:47talking
- 17:48to
- 17:48right
- 17:48now.
- 17:49But
- 17:49body
- 17:49fat
- 17:50does
- 17:50increase.
- 17:50And
- 17:50this
- 17:51is
- 17:51one
- 17:51of
- 17:51those.
- 17:51Those
- 17:51beautiful
- 17:52pearls
- 17:52that
- 17:52I
- 17:52don't
- 17:53need
- 17:53a
- 17:53mnemonic
- 17:53for.
- 17:54For
- 17:54any
- 17:54of
- 17:54you.
- 17:54Right.
- 17:55Because
- 17:55we
- 17:55all
- 17:55know
- 17:55this
- 17:55intuitively.
- 17:56It's
- 17:57a
- 17:57sad
- 17:57reality
- 17:58of
- 17:58getting
- 17:58older.
- 17:59We
- 17:59get
- 17:59fatter,
- 18:00even
- 18:00if
- 18:01we're
- 18:01doing
- 18:01everything
- 18:02perfectly
- 18:02right.
- 18:03I
- 18:03could
- 18:03swim
- 18:04as
- 18:05many
- 18:05laps
- 18:05as
- 18:05Michael
- 18:06Phelps
- 18:07in
- 18:07the
- 18:07gym
- 18:09in
- 18:09my
- 18:09pool.
- 18:09I
- 18:10could
- 18:10swim
- 18:10like
- 18:10a
- 18:10thousand
- 18:11laps.
- 18:11I
- 18:11could
- 18:11deadlift
- 18:12£300
- 18:13every
- 18:13day
- 18:13for
- 18:13the
- 18:14rest
- 18:14of
- 18:14my
- 18:14life
- 18:14and
- 18:14only
- 18:15eat
- 18:15spinach.
- 18:16And
- 18:16I
- 18:16will
- 18:16get
- 18:17fatter.
- 18:17I.
- 18:17Okay,
- 18:18the
- 18:18problem
- 18:18is
- 18:19a
- 18:19lot
- 18:19of
- 18:19the
- 18:19medications
- 18:20that
- 18:20we
- 18:20prescribe
- 18:20are
- 18:21lipophilic,
- 18:21meaning
- 18:22they
- 18:22love
- 18:22fat.
- 18:23And
- 18:23so
- 18:25they
- 18:26distribute
- 18:26into
- 18:27this
- 18:27expanded
- 18:28compartment
- 18:28of
- 18:28fat.
- 18:29And
- 18:29because
- 18:30there's
- 18:30more
- 18:30of
- 18:30it,
- 18:32that
- 18:32kind
- 18:32of
- 18:32releases
- 18:33the
- 18:33drug.
- 18:33Slowlier,
- 18:34slower,
- 18:35slow.
- 18:36I
- 18:36can't
- 18:36believe
- 18:36I
- 18:36just
- 18:36said
- 18:36slowlier,
- 18:37slower.
- 18:38And
- 18:39it
- 18:39really
- 18:39prolongs
- 18:40the
- 18:40duration
- 18:40of
- 18:40action
- 18:41beyond
- 18:41what
- 18:42the
- 18:42half
- 18:42life
- 18:42alone
- 18:43would
- 18:43predict.
- 18:44Well,
- 18:44that's
- 18:44really
- 18:44important
- 18:44because
- 18:45half
- 18:46lives
- 18:46govern
- 18:46a
- 18:47lot
- 18:47of
- 18:47what
- 18:47we
- 18:47do.
- 18:47But
- 18:48if
- 18:48we're
- 18:48staring
- 18:48at
- 18:48Arthur,
- 18:49and
- 18:50let's
- 18:50just
- 18:50say
- 18:50even
- 18:50Arthur's
- 18:51looks
- 18:51like
- 18:52he's
- 18:52in
- 18:52decent
- 18:52shape
- 18:52for
- 18:53a
- 18:5395
- 18:53year
- 18:53old.
- 18:54Well,
- 18:54he
- 18:54probably
- 18:54has
- 18:55more
- 18:55fat
- 18:55distribution
- 18:56than
- 18:56Arthur
- 18:57had
- 18:57when
- 18:57he
- 18:57was
- 18:5819.
- 18:58Okay?
- 18:59And
- 18:59so
- 19:00it's
- 19:00going
- 19:00to
- 19:01delay
- 19:02the
- 19:02release
- 19:02of
- 19:03this
- 19:03medication
- 19:03or
- 19:03the
- 19:04distribution
- 19:04of
- 19:04this
- 19:04medication
- 19:06and
- 19:06also
- 19:06the
- 19:07clearance
- 19:07of
- 19:07the
- 19:07medication.
- 19:08And
- 19:08so
- 19:09bam,
- 19:09we
- 19:09have,
- 19:09again,
- 19:11higher
- 19:11levels,
- 19:12higher
- 19:12peak
- 19:12levels,
- 19:13slower
- 19:13elimination.
- 19:14And
- 19:14this
- 19:15is
- 19:15just
- 19:15getting
- 19:15kind
- 19:15of
- 19:16built
- 19:16up
- 19:16in
- 19:16his
- 19:16system,
- 19:17unknowingly,
- 19:18it
- 19:18is
- 19:18not
- 19:19following
- 19:19the
- 19:19same
- 19:20half
- 19:20life
- 19:20rules
- 19:21as
- 19:21a
- 19:2119
- 19:21or
- 19:2220
- 19:22year
- 19:22old.
- 19:22That's
- 19:23a
- 19:23problem.
- 19:24Now,
- 19:24adme,
- 19:25we're
- 19:25on
- 19:25the
- 19:25M
- 19:25part
- 19:26metabolism.
- 19:27This
- 19:27is
- 19:27kind
- 19:27of
- 19:28more
- 19:28straightforward.
- 19:28You've
- 19:29probably
- 19:29heard
- 19:29about
- 19:29this
- 19:29many
- 19:30times.
- 19:30But
- 19:30this
- 19:31sort.
- 19:31This
- 19:31continues
- 19:32to
- 19:32compound
- 19:33our
- 19:34Ambien
- 19:34problem.
- 19:35The
- 19:35liver
- 19:35slows
- 19:36down
- 19:36the
- 19:36metabolism,
- 19:37right?
- 19:37It
- 19:38slows
- 19:38down
- 19:38when
- 19:38you're
- 19:39older.
- 19:40Ambien
- 19:40is
- 19:41metabolized
- 19:42primarily
- 19:43through
- 19:44CYP3A4.
- 19:45Okay.
- 19:47There's
- 19:47some
- 19:47contributions
- 19:48from
- 19:481A2
- 19:49and
- 19:492C9.
- 19:51But
- 19:51when
- 19:51you
- 19:51age,
- 19:52hepatic
- 19:52blood
- 19:53flow
- 19:53decreases.
- 19:53We
- 19:54talked
- 19:54about
- 19:54the
- 19:54blood
- 19:54flow,
- 19:55right?
- 19:55The
- 19:55heart's
- 19:55just
- 19:55not
- 19:56pumping
- 19:56as
- 19:56easily.
- 19:57There's
- 19:57stiffness
- 19:58in
- 19:58the
- 19:58arteries.
- 19:59So
- 19:59hepatic
- 20:00blood
- 20:00flow
- 20:00decreases
- 20:02by
- 20:0225
- 20:02to
- 20:0340%.
- 20:04Your
- 20:04liver
- 20:04volume
- 20:05shrinks.
- 20:05Okay.
- 20:06And
- 20:06that
- 20:07reduces
- 20:07the
- 20:08rate
- 20:08at
- 20:08which
- 20:08drugs
- 20:08are
- 20:08even
- 20:09delivered
- 20:09to
- 20:09or
- 20:10processed
- 20:10by
- 20:11the
- 20:11liver.
- 20:11Well,
- 20:12that's
- 20:12a
- 20:12problem,
- 20:12right?
- 20:13It's
- 20:13almost
- 20:14like
- 20:15when
- 20:16at
- 20:16age
- 20:1619,
- 20:16you,
- 20:17you
- 20:17order
- 20:17pizza
- 20:18and
- 20:19they
- 20:19answer
- 20:19on
- 20:20the
- 20:20first
- 20:20ring
- 20:20and
- 20:21they
- 20:21deliver
- 20:21it
- 20:22to
- 20:22your
- 20:22door
- 20:22in
- 20:2220
- 20:23minutes.
- 20:23Okay.
- 20:24And
- 20:24it's
- 20:24almost
- 20:25like
- 20:25when
- 20:25you're
- 20:25a
- 20:2695,
- 20:27it
- 20:27rings
- 20:28seven
- 20:28times,
- 20:29it
- 20:29goes
- 20:29to
- 20:29an
- 20:29answering
- 20:30machine,
- 20:31you
- 20:31leave
- 20:31a
- 20:32message,
- 20:32they
- 20:32call
- 20:32you
- 20:33back
- 20:33four
- 20:33hours
- 20:34later,
- 20:35and
- 20:35then
- 20:35they
- 20:35finally
- 20:36take
- 20:36your
- 20:36order
- 20:37and
- 20:37get
- 20:37to
- 20:37your
- 20:37house
- 20:38to
- 20:38deliver
- 20:39the
- 20:39pizza
- 20:39at
- 20:404
- 20:40in
- 20:40the
- 20:40morning
- 20:40when
- 20:41you're
- 20:41ready
- 20:41to
- 20:41fall
- 20:41from
- 20:42taking
- 20:42Ambien.
- 20:43So
- 20:43it's
- 20:43a,
- 20:43it's
- 20:44a
- 20:44really.
- 20:46It's
- 20:46probably
- 20:46getting,
- 20:47I
- 20:47mean,
- 20:47if
- 20:47I
- 20:48should
- 20:48probably
- 20:48retitle
- 20:49the
- 20:49name
- 20:49of
- 20:49this
- 20:49episode
- 20:50to
- 20:50Getting
- 20:50Old
- 20:50Really
- 20:51Sucks
- 20:52rather
- 20:52than
- 20:53like
- 20:53whatever
- 20:53it's
- 20:53going
- 20:53to
- 20:54be
- 20:54Ambien
- 20:54and
- 20:54Arthur
- 20:55or
- 20:55something.
- 20:56It
- 20:56sucks,
- 20:57right?
- 20:57So
- 20:57your
- 20:57liver
- 20:58is
- 20:58not
- 20:58processing
- 20:59this
- 20:59as
- 20:59quickly.
- 21:00That's
- 21:01difficult.
- 21:02Okay.
- 21:04And
- 21:04so
- 21:04elimination
- 21:06is
- 21:06the
- 21:06E.
- 21:07Right.
- 21:07We
- 21:07talked
- 21:07about
- 21:07Adme.
- 21:08Elimination
- 21:09is
- 21:09the
- 21:09kidney
- 21:09bottleneck.
- 21:10So
- 21:11a
- 21:11lot
- 21:11of
- 21:11these
- 21:12medications
- 21:12are
- 21:12eliminated
- 21:13renally,
- 21:13as
- 21:14you
- 21:14know.
- 21:14And
- 21:15the
- 21:15decline
- 21:15in
- 21:15your
- 21:16glomerular
- 21:16filtration
- 21:17rate
- 21:17is
- 21:18real.
- 21:18There's
- 21:19an
- 21:19age
- 21:19related
- 21:19decline
- 21:20after
- 21:20the
- 21:20age
- 21:20of
- 21:2140
- 21:21where
- 21:22there's
- 21:22reduced
- 21:22renal
- 21:23blood
- 21:23flow.
- 21:23Same
- 21:23thing
- 21:23we
- 21:24talked
- 21:24about
- 21:24with
- 21:24the
- 21:24liver.
- 21:25And
- 21:25so
- 21:25the
- 21:25clearance
- 21:26of
- 21:26these
- 21:26medications
- 21:27is
- 21:27not
- 21:27as
- 21:28rapid,
- 21:28meaning
- 21:29they
- 21:29accumulate
- 21:29longer
- 21:31to
- 21:31more
- 21:31max
- 21:32concentrations
- 21:33in
- 21:33your
- 21:33blood.
- 21:33Okay.
- 21:34So
- 21:34you
- 21:34have
- 21:35slower
- 21:35hepatic
- 21:35metabolism,
- 21:36slower
- 21:37renal
- 21:37elimination
- 21:38of
- 21:38metabolites.
- 21:39So
- 21:39you
- 21:39have
- 21:39increased
- 21:40drug
- 21:41exposure,
- 21:41to
- 21:42say
- 21:42nothing,
- 21:42of
- 21:42course,
- 21:43of
- 21:43the
- 21:43fact
- 21:44that
- 21:44you
- 21:44have
- 21:44more
- 21:44fat
- 21:45distribution
- 21:47and
- 21:47that
- 21:48you're
- 21:48just
- 21:48absorbing
- 21:49more
- 21:49of
- 21:49this
- 21:50because
- 21:50you're
- 21:50not
- 21:50emptying
- 21:51gastrically
- 21:52as,
- 21:52as
- 21:53quickly
- 21:53as
- 21:53you
- 21:53were
- 21:53before.
- 21:54Now,
- 21:54the
- 21:54pharmacodynamic
- 21:55piece
- 21:56to
- 21:56this
- 21:56is
- 21:56that
- 21:56your
- 21:56brain
- 21:57also
- 21:57tends
- 21:57to
- 21:57get
- 21:57more
- 21:58sensitive
- 21:59to
- 22:00sedative
- 22:00hypnotics
- 22:02at
- 22:02the
- 22:02same
- 22:02concentrations
- 22:03as
- 22:04someone
- 22:05who
- 22:05may
- 22:05not
- 22:05be
- 22:05as
- 22:06sensitive
- 22:06to
- 22:06it,
- 22:06who's
- 22:0730,
- 22:0740
- 22:07years
- 22:08younger.
- 22:08Okay.
- 22:09And
- 22:10so
- 22:10older
- 22:11adults
- 22:11definitely
- 22:11do
- 22:12show
- 22:12that
- 22:12increased
- 22:12sedative
- 22:13effect
- 22:13from
- 22:13benzodiazepines
- 22:14or
- 22:14Z
- 22:15drugs
- 22:15at
- 22:16equivalent
- 22:16plasma
- 22:17levels.
- 22:18Excuse
- 22:19me.
- 22:20Compared
- 22:20to
- 22:20younger
- 22:21adults.
- 22:22So,
- 22:23of
- 22:24course
- 22:24that's
- 22:24a
- 22:24problem.
- 22:25Right.
- 22:26There's
- 22:26maybe
- 22:27an
- 22:27increased
- 22:27gamma
- 22:28A
- 22:28receptor
- 22:28sensitivity
- 22:29going
- 22:29on
- 22:30here,
- 22:31and
- 22:31the
- 22:31homeostasis
- 22:32is
- 22:33not
- 22:33as
- 22:33easily
- 22:33to
- 22:33com.
- 22:34To
- 22:35compensate.
- 22:37So
- 22:39what
- 22:39are
- 22:40the
- 22:40takeaways
- 22:40from
- 22:41Arthur
- 22:42and
- 22:42his
- 22:43Ambien?
- 22:44The
- 22:44big
- 22:45takeaways,
- 22:45of
- 22:45course,
- 22:46are
- 22:46to
- 22:46appreciate
- 22:47the
- 22:47pharmacokinetic
- 22:49and
- 22:49pharmacodynamic
- 22:50differences
- 22:50in
- 22:50the
- 22:51elderly,
- 22:52particularly
- 22:52with
- 22:52medications
- 22:53like
- 22:53Ambien.
- 22:54But
- 22:54there
- 22:54sure
- 22:54are
- 22:54many
- 22:54other
- 22:55medications.
- 22:56And
- 22:56remember
- 22:57that
- 22:57the
- 22:57same
- 22:58dose
- 22:59is
- 22:59not
- 22:59the
- 22:59same
- 23:00depending
- 23:00on
- 23:00who
- 23:00your
- 23:01patient
- 23:01is
- 23:01in
- 23:01front
- 23:01of
- 23:01you.
- 23:02There
- 23:02are
- 23:03many
- 23:03different
- 23:03filters
- 23:04by
- 23:04which
- 23:04you
- 23:05have
- 23:05to
- 23:05put
- 23:05your
- 23:06prescribing
- 23:07mentality
- 23:07through
- 23:08before
- 23:09you
- 23:09understand
- 23:09what's
- 23:10really
- 23:10happening
- 23:10to
- 23:11your
- 23:11patient.
- 23:12Right.
- 23:13There's
- 23:13how
- 23:13they're
- 23:13going
- 23:13to
- 23:14metabolize
- 23:14it.
- 23:15Right.
- 23:15There's
- 23:15their.
- 23:16Their
- 23:16liver
- 23:16and
- 23:16kidney
- 23:17profile,
- 23:18their
- 23:18body
- 23:18fat
- 23:19distribution,
- 23:19their
- 23:20age.
- 23:21Right.
- 23:21Their.
- 23:21Their
- 23:22unique
- 23:22sensitivity
- 23:23to
- 23:23the
- 23:23medications
- 23:24you
- 23:24prescribe.
- 23:24So
- 23:25starting
- 23:25low
- 23:25and
- 23:25going
- 23:26slow
- 23:26is
- 23:27not
- 23:27just
- 23:27a
- 23:27platitude.
- 23:28It's
- 23:28a
- 23:28direct
- 23:28consequence
- 23:30of
- 23:31really,
- 23:31the
- 23:31ADME
- 23:32framework
- 23:33we
- 23:33shared
- 23:33and
- 23:33why
- 23:34we
- 23:34do
- 23:34it.
- 23:34But
- 23:35avoiding
- 23:35Ambien
- 23:36entirely
- 23:36in
- 23:36these
- 23:36populations
- 23:37would
- 23:37probably
- 23:37be
- 23:38a
- 23:38wise
- 23:38move
- 23:38if
- 23:39you
- 23:39wanted
- 23:39to
- 23:40kind
- 23:40of
- 23:40reduce
- 23:40morbidity
- 23:41and
- 23:41mortality,
- 23:43gravitate
- 23:43more
- 23:44towards
- 23:44CBTI
- 23:45or
- 23:45other
- 23:45pharmacology,
- 23:48pharmacological
- 23:49options
- 23:49that
- 23:50maybe
- 23:51are
- 23:51less.
- 23:53Less
- 23:53dangerous.
- 23:55Remember
- 23:56that
- 23:56the
- 23:56elderly
- 23:56have
- 23:57higher
- 23:57peaks,
- 23:57longer
- 23:57duration,
- 23:58they
- 23:58have
- 23:58greater
- 23:59total
- 23:59exposure
- 24:00to
- 24:00these
- 24:00medications,
- 24:01and
- 24:01it
- 24:01might
- 24:01be
- 24:02hitting
- 24:02a
- 24:02more
- 24:02sensitive
- 24:03brain.
- 24:05And
- 24:05that's
- 24:06really,
- 24:06I
- 24:07think,
- 24:07a
- 24:07lot
- 24:08for
- 24:08you
- 24:08to
- 24:08digest
- 24:09today,
- 24:09my
- 24:09friends,
- 24:09but
- 24:10it's
- 24:10been
- 24:10a
- 24:10real
- 24:11pleasure.
- 24:11I've
- 24:11enjoyed
- 24:12every
- 24:12second
- 24:12of
- 24:12this.
- 24:13It's
- 24:14always
- 24:14fun
- 24:14to
- 24:14learn,
- 24:15again,
- 24:16not
- 24:16to
- 24:16beat
- 24:16up
- 24:16on
- 24:16Ambien.
- 24:17Like
- 24:17I
- 24:17said,
- 24:17there's
- 24:18probably
- 24:18plenty
- 24:18folks
- 24:18out
- 24:19there.
- 24:19It's
- 24:19really
- 24:19helpful
- 24:20for.
- 24:21But
- 24:21in
- 24:22the
- 24:22right,
- 24:22every
- 24:23med
- 24:23is
- 24:23kind
- 24:24of
- 24:24good
- 24:24for
- 24:24the
- 24:24right
- 24:24person
- 24:25and
- 24:25not
- 24:25good
- 24:25for
- 24:25another
- 24:26person.
- 24:26Right.
- 24:27And
- 24:27that's
- 24:27our
- 24:27job
- 24:27as
- 24:28clinicians,
- 24:28is
- 24:29to
- 24:29figure
- 24:29out
- 24:29who's
- 24:30the
- 24:30best
- 24:30fit
- 24:30for
- 24:30this
- 24:30and
- 24:31why.
- 24:32And
- 24:33we
- 24:33will,
- 24:33and
- 24:33we
- 24:33will
- 24:33continue
- 24:34to
- 24:34do
- 24:34great
- 24:34things.
- 24:35Thank
- 24:35you
- 24:35all
- 24:35for
- 24:36tuning
- 24:36in.
- 24:36This
- 24:36was
- 24:36a
- 24:36fun
- 24:36one.
- 24:37We'll
- 24:37catch
- 24:37you
- 24:37next
- 24:37time
- 24:38here
- 24:38on
- 24:38Pearls
- 24:39and
- 24:39Prep.