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Jack Smith, The Special Counsel Behind Trump Indictment · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump indicted.
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Speaker 2: The charges have now been unsealed in the classified document
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Speaker 2: case against the ex president, And something that is very
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Speaker 2: shocking about this indictment is the fact that even when
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Speaker 2: there was a press conference, a very very short press
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Speaker 2: conference by the Special Counsel Jack Smith, he didn't actually
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Speaker 2: talk about what they indicted Donald Trump for, which is
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Speaker 2: pretty odd when you're the guy who's indicting him. What
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Speaker 2: we do know is there were thirty seven charges against
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, thirty one of them counts of willful retention
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Speaker 2: of national defense information, one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice,
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Speaker 2: and one count of corruptly concealing a document a record. Now,
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Speaker 2: he didn't want to talk about that. In fact, he
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Speaker 2: didn't want to take questions. He just wanted to go
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Speaker 2: out there and say we nailed him, we got him,
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Speaker 2: and we take it very seriously what we're doing with
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen. Good afternoon.
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Speaker 3: Today an indictments unsealed, charging Donald J. Trump with felony
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Speaker 3: violations of our national security laws as well as participating
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Speaker 3: in a conspiracy to obstruct justice. This indictment was voted
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Speaker 3: by a grand jury of citizens in the Southern District
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Speaker 3: of Florida, and I invite everyone to read it in
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Speaker 3: full to understand the scope and the gravity of the
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Speaker 3: crimes charged. The men and women of the United States
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Speaker 3: Intelligence community and our armed forces dedicate their lives to
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Speaker 3: protecting our nation and its people. Our laws that protect
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Speaker 3: national defense information are critical to the safety and security
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Speaker 3: of the United States, and they must be enforced. Violations
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Speaker 3: of those laws put our country at risk. Adherence to
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Speaker 3: the rule of law is a bedrock principle of the
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Speaker 3: Department of Justice, and our nations can meant to the
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Speaker 3: rule of law sets an example for the world. We
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Speaker 3: have one set of laws in this country and they
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Speaker 3: apply to everyone. Applying those laws, collecting facts. That's what
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Speaker 3: determines the outcome of an investigation, nothing more and nothing less.
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Speaker 3: The prosecutors in my office are among the most talented
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Speaker 3: and experienced in the Department of Justice. They have investigated
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Speaker 3: this case hewing to the highest ethical standards, and they
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Speaker 3: will continue to do so as this case proceeds. It's
2:37
Speaker 3: very important for me to note that the defendants in
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Speaker 3: this case must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond
2:45
Speaker 3: a reasonable doubt in a court of law. To that end,
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Speaker 3: my office will seek a speedy trial in this matter
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Speaker 3: consistent with the public interest and the rights of the accused.
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Speaker 3: We very much look forward to presenting our case to
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Speaker 3: a jury of citizens in the Southern District of Florida.
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Speaker 3: In conclusion, I would like to thank the dedicated public
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Speaker 3: servants of the Federal Bureau of Investigation with whom my
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Speaker 3: office is conducting this investigation and who work tirelessly every
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Speaker 3: day upholding the rule of law in our country. I'm
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Speaker 3: deeply proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. Thank
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Speaker 3: you very much.
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Speaker 1: There are several lives in there.
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Speaker 2: One that the men and women in our government apply
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Speaker 2: the law equally.
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Speaker 1: That is not true.
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Speaker 2: If that was true, Hillary Clinton would have been indicted,
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Speaker 2: Barack Obama probably would have been indicted. Certainly Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: would be indicted. But they have not been indicted. Only
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump Special counsel Jack Smith that someone that has
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Speaker 2: had an obsession a hard on for Donald Trump since
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Speaker 2: day one.
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Speaker 1: He wants to destroy.
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Speaker 2: Former White House Press Secretary Kaylie Mcananny put it this way,
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Speaker 2: when this indictment came out, and it was we now
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Speaker 2: know the counts. Listen to what she said. Is a
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Speaker 2: former White House Press Secretary.
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Speaker 4: You know we are in uncharted territory. You have a
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Speaker 4: president of the United States whose administration, his DOJA has
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Speaker 4: indicted his chief political rival. That's bottom line, that's where
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Speaker 4: we are, this uncharted territory. It's only going to divide
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Speaker 4: us further. I don't often agree with Ruth Marcus, but
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Speaker 4: that opening line of her peace I agree with certainly.
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Speaker 4: This is just going to entrench divisions that we have
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Speaker 4: in this country. My question is, where's Christopher Ray? Where's
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Speaker 4: Merrick Garland? When you look at the coda Federal Regulation
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Speaker 4: six hundred point eight B, it says this notification of
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Speaker 4: significant events. The Special Council shall notify the Attorney General
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Speaker 4: of events in the course of his or her investigations.
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Speaker 4: So Garland knew about this, right, We're an unprecedented times.
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Speaker 4: As I noted, Yes, he can't comment on the specifics
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Speaker 4: of an investigation. Ray can't either. But when the integrity
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Speaker 4: of the Department of Justice and FBI are in question,
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Speaker 4: we need something, a statement, something. Maybe he's waiting until
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Speaker 4: Tuesday with the official indictment. I don't know, but our
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Speaker 4: country needs something.
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Speaker 2: Our country needs something. She's right, there is a two
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Speaker 2: tier system of government. And what you have now is
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Speaker 2: you have at president of the United States of America
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Speaker 2: who has weaponized his government to go after Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: There's also another thing in here that the Special counsel
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Speaker 2: Jack Smith said on the Trump indictment. He said, my
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Speaker 2: office will seek a speedy trial. Why is that because
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Speaker 2: they want him on in a jury trial when he's
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Speaker 2: trying to run for president of the United States of America.
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Speaker 2: Because if you're in a trial, you're not out on
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Speaker 2: the campaign trail. It's a brilliant political communist move.
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Speaker 3: The prosecutors in my office are among the most talented
5:55
Speaker 3: and experienced in the Department of Justice. They have investigated
5:59
Speaker 3: this case chewing to the highest ethical standards, and they
6:02
Speaker 3: will continue to do so as this case proceeds. It's
6:07
Speaker 3: very important for me to note that the defendants in
6:09
Speaker 3: this case must be presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond
6:15
Speaker 3: a reasonable doubt in a court of law. To that end,
6:20
Speaker 3: my office will seek a speedy trial in this matter,
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Speaker 3: consistent with the public interest and the rights of the accused.
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Speaker 2: Why would they want to rush it. You need to
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Speaker 2: understand the context of this. If you can rush this
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Speaker 2: the way that they want to rush it. Then you're
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Speaker 2: going to have a president of the United States of
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Speaker 2: America that's going to be able to go out on
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Speaker 2: the campaign trail, and it's going to be able to
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Speaker 2: campaign while Donald Trump is stuck in a courtroom. They're
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Speaker 2: hoping that while they're in places in swing states like
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania in Ohio, that the president would then be at
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Speaker 2: a trial. Now, imagine how unfair of an advantage that
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Speaker 2: would be, a disadvantage that would be for Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: and what an advantage that would be for someone else.
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Speaker 2: This is another example of just how again disgusting all
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Speaker 2: of this is. You have an individual now in this
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Speaker 2: Special Council Jack Smith, who is not only telling you
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Speaker 2: what his motive is, but he's telling you how it
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Speaker 2: would affect the election, it would tie him up in court,
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Speaker 2: and they're proud to say this is what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: Now we also have found out more about the charges
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Speaker 2: against former President Donald Trump. This indictment in Special Counsel
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Speaker 2: Jacksmith's case against the former President Donald Trump that has
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Speaker 2: now been unsealed. Something he really didn't talk about what
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Speaker 2: they were indicting him on. You heard what he had
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Speaker 2: to say in its entirety. The indictment. Special counsel Jacksmith's
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Speaker 2: case against the president shows this. Smith hit Trump with
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Speaker 2: thirty seven charges in the case. Thirty seven including thirty
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Speaker 2: one counts of willful retention of national defense information, one
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Speaker 2: count of conspiracy to obstruct justice, one count of correctly
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Speaker 2: concealing a document or record, one count of concealing a
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Speaker 2: document in a federal investigation, and one count relating to
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Speaker 2: making false statements. That's how you get to thirty seven charges.
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Speaker 2: The filing states this the classified documents Trump stored in
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Speaker 2: his boxes, including information regarding defense and weapon capabilities of
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Speaker 2: both the United States and foreign countries, United States nuclear programs,
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Speaker 2: potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to
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Speaker 2: military attack, and plans for possible retaliation response to a
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Speaker 2: foreign attack. The unauthorized disclosure of these classified documents could
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Speaker 2: put at risk the national security of the United States
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Speaker 2: of America. The filing states also foreign relations, the safety
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Speaker 2: of the United States military and human sources, and the
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Speaker 2: continued viability of sensitive intelligence collection methods around the world.
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Speaker 2: Trump allegedly suggested his attorney quote falsely represent to the
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Speaker 2: FBI that he did not have documents the government sought
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Speaker 2: in a subpoena. They also are accusing Trump of in
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Speaker 2: this document. Additionally, the indictment claims the former president suggested
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Speaker 2: his attorney should hide or destroy documents called for by
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Speaker 2: the grand jury subpoena.
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Speaker 1: They're now claiming.
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Speaker 2: The media, by the way, is covering for not only
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Speaker 2: this White House, but they're covering for anyone that says
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Speaker 2: anything they don't like. Right now about the fact that
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's been indicted, you notice that the special counsel
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Speaker 2: Jack Smith didn't answer questions because he knew the questions
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Speaker 2: were going to be coming about the double standard of justice.
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Speaker 2: He also said there was no double standard of justice,
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Speaker 2: but refused to answer questions about, Hey, how is it
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Speaker 2: that Donald Trump's been indicted? And well, many other people
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Speaker 2: have done the exact same thing. Why aren't they being
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Speaker 2: indicted and going to trial a speedy trial? Has he
10:07
Speaker 2: described it right? Well, I'll give you an example of
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Speaker 2: what the media is doing when someone brings that up.
10:13
Speaker 2: George stepping'op what was former senior advisor to Bill Clinton,
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Speaker 2: melted down after a former Trump attorney pointed out that
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden had classified documents and he pretty much lost
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Speaker 2: his mind listened carefully.
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Speaker 5: I think there are countless examples of people who have
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Speaker 5: been charged up for similar crimes. But we're going to
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Speaker 5: both sides should wait and see what is actually in
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Speaker 5: the indictment. Meantime, what was President Trump's reaction last night?
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Speaker 6: President Trump, you know this won't be a newsflash. He's
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Speaker 6: a pretty resilient guy. You know, he's a pretty tough,
10:48
Speaker 6: tough hided person. So he's not crumbling in fear or
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Speaker 6: anything remotely like that. He's he's upset by the notion
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Speaker 6: of this indictment. You know, it's a different conversation when
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Speaker 6: you have a client who's committed across and knows that
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Speaker 6: they've done something and finally gotten caught. That's a pretty
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Speaker 6: easy conversation, or relatively easy conversation as an attorney. When
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Speaker 6: you're actually innocent of the charges and know that this
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Speaker 6: is weaponized and persecatorial, it's a different conversation. But what's
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Speaker 6: interesting to me just kind of stepping out of my
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Speaker 6: role of the attorney and just talking about it kind
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Speaker 6: of person to person. When I have this conversation with him,
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Speaker 6: he very quickly pivots to concern about the country. You know,
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Speaker 6: it's not a real selfish analysis. It's this is a
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Speaker 6: bad moment for our history. This is our country turning
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Speaker 6: the corner. And as somebody that's been around criminal justice
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Speaker 6: for over thirty years, I agree with him. It's a
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Speaker 6: rubicon we shouldn't be crossing.
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Speaker 5: But doesn't the president. Don't you believe in the principle
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Speaker 5: that no person is above the law. If the president
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Speaker 5: comitted the same crime that someone else did, shouldn't he
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Speaker 5: be charged?
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Speaker 6: No person is below the law. That's really the issue here.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you've got these investigations in Delaware that are
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Speaker 6: a thousand times more serious by a sitting president who
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Speaker 6: has authorized his doj to try to sink the candidate
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Speaker 6: see of his prime opposition, while that guy has unsecured
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Speaker 6: documents that he stole out of a skiff dozens of
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Speaker 6: years ago. So look, you know we're not talking.
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Speaker 5: About some story about favorite are you talking about that
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Speaker 5: is a ridiculous state.
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Speaker 6: There's this issue, nice try. There's an issue that anyone
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Speaker 6: that reads any newspapers would agree is a parallel track,
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Speaker 6: which is the Delaware document scandal of Joe Biden, where
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Speaker 6: there's a special Counsel Rob hr that's investigating it. You
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Speaker 6: know that there were documents that were sensitive, that were
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Speaker 6: marked classified found in a garage near a corvette that
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Speaker 6: made their way through Chinatown through the pen Biden Center.
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Speaker 6: There's eighteen hundred and fifty boxes that have never been
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Speaker 6: fully looked at at University of Delaware. You have the
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Speaker 6: ultimate unclean hands of a current sitting president who had
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Speaker 6: no declassification, had none of the protections of President Trump,
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Speaker 6: and who literally had to have stolen stuff from a skiff.
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Speaker 6: Even Dick Durbin has commented about how this was an
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Speaker 6: outrageous possession of classified material by Vice President at that point,
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Speaker 6: Joe Biden. So that's what we're talking about. You can
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Speaker 6: scoff and act like there's nothing to it, but the
13:10
Speaker 6: whole country knows the basic notion of unequal treatment and fairness,
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Speaker 6: and that's what's an issue with this prosecution.
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Speaker 5: I think that is certainly what is an issue. We
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Speaker 5: will see how it plays out, because I don't think
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Speaker 5: you have the evidence to back up any of the
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Speaker 5: charges you just made. Mister Trusty, Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: Wow give me a little testy there right, see George
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Speaker 2: Stepanopolis and his phony outrage there right, What are you
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Speaker 2: talking about this is absurd.
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Speaker 1: I can't believe you're talking about this.
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Speaker 2: He knows that what was said by that attorney, that
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Speaker 2: Trump attorney was spot on accurate. This is what we
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Speaker 2: know right now. They knew they were going to indict him.
13:50
Speaker 2: They knew they were going to get him. They knew
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Speaker 2: that they were going to spin in his campaign, which
13:55
Speaker 2: they did. They knew they were going to impeach him,
13:56
Speaker 2: they did it twice. They knew they were going to
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Speaker 2: stabotage his administration by undermining him. They did that, and
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Speaker 2: they knew that it would undermine his entire presidency.
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Speaker 1: I'm referring to Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Obviously, Democrats knew they were going to do that, and
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Speaker 2: they're going to indict him after they framed him for treason.
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Speaker 2: Never forget that as well, they said he was treason
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Speaker 2: us right. The point that was made by this attorney,
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Speaker 2: and he's like, nice, try you can scoff. All you
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Speaker 2: want to is this Bill Clinton took home classified documents.
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Speaker 2: No one rated his damn house, and nobody said he
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Speaker 2: should go to jail. Obama took classified documents. We know
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Speaker 2: that no one raided his house or said or indicted him.
14:38
Speaker 2: Mike Pence took classified documents and then gave them back,
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Speaker 2: and no one indicted him. Hillary Clinton had classified documents
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Speaker 2: on her email server. She destroyed the email server, and
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Speaker 2: nobody rated her home and nobody held her to account
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Speaker 2: for what she did. Biden had classified documents in his garage,
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Speaker 2: and the only person out of the whole list I
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Speaker 2: just gave you that got indicted was who Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: These indictments come on the same day when the FBI
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Speaker 2: got caught hiding evidence that Biden as the vice president
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Speaker 2: took five million and foreign bribes and changed US policy
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Speaker 2: for that bribe. Garland's going to indict Trump for two reasons.
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Speaker 2: One for the news cycling doesn't want you to know
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Speaker 2: about the other problems that Biden's are having, and I
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Speaker 2: think too, it is revenge for him not getting on
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Speaker 2: getting the vote on the Supreme Court in twenty and
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Speaker 2: sixty at the end of the Obama presidency. He's angry
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Speaker 2: that he wasn't appointed to the Supreme Court, and so now
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Speaker 2: as the Attorney general, he's getting his revenge. This is
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Speaker 2: all foreign corruption. You remember, Joe Biden got paid five
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Speaker 2: million dollars to do exactly what he bragged about. He
15:51
Speaker 2: bragged that he got you know, the guy fired in Ukraine.
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Speaker 2: He bragged about it openly because he never thought he
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Speaker 2: was gonna run for president at that point when he
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Speaker 2: was bragging about it at the World Economic Forum, like
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Speaker 2: he had no reasona believe he's ever going to run again. Well,
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Speaker 2: now we do know he ran and he won, and
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Speaker 2: so now all this is a different issue.
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Speaker 1: Biden, and this is clear.
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Speaker 2: He to act like he's separated from this or not
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Speaker 2: involved is incredibly disingenuous in a lie, Biden unleashed the
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Speaker 2: Trump indictment on the same day that the House Republicans
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Speaker 2: were able to publicize evidence of the five million dollar
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Speaker 2: Ukrainian bribery scandal. That's not an accident. That is weaponizing
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Speaker 2: the United States of America's government. He's covering up his
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Speaker 2: family corruption by prosecuting the front runner in the twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four They truly believe that Donald like it or not,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is the front runner and Joe Biden is
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Speaker 2: the front runner on the left.
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Speaker 1: And that's what he's now doing.
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Speaker 2: He's saying, I'm willing to do whatever it takes to
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Speaker 2: win and to take out Donald Trump. Now there is
17:00
Speaker 2: also an obsession here by Democrats to make sure that
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump gets the nomination, and the reason why they're
17:07
Speaker 2: obsessed with that is for this reason. They truly believe
17:11
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump will be the easiest person to beat
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Speaker 2: in a general election. They believe that through and through.
17:18
Speaker 2: They also believe they can harass Donald Trump while he's
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Speaker 2: running for president, and that will be a huge asset
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Speaker 2: for them. That's part of the reason why you heard
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Speaker 2: the Special Counsel Jack Smith say, I am going to
17:31
Speaker 2: seek a speedy trial because we want Donald Trump to
17:35
Speaker 2: be busy defending himself and try to protect himself from
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Speaker 2: getting basically what is a life sentence if he's convicted
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Speaker 2: of any of these things, instead of focusing on running
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Speaker 2: for president.
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Speaker 3: It's very important for me to note that the defendants
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Speaker 3: in this case must be presumed innocent until proven guilty
17:52
Speaker 3: beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. To
17:56
Speaker 3: that end, my office will seek a speedy trial in
17:59
Speaker 3: this matter consistent with the public interest and the rights
18:03
Speaker 3: of the accused.
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Speaker 2: Jack Smith knows that the best thing he can do
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Speaker 2: to hurt Donald Trump now after this indictment is make
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Speaker 2: sure this trial coincides with a period in time where
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Speaker 2: he is trying to win the general election. They're going
18:18
Speaker 2: to let him get through the primary, I believe, and
18:20
Speaker 2: then this is going to pop up and they're going
18:22
Speaker 2: to extend it as long as they can. They believe
18:25
Speaker 2: that if you see the guy running for president sitting
18:28
Speaker 2: there in a courtroom or going in and out of
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Speaker 2: a courtroom for several days in a row, towards the
18:33
Speaker 2: time that we are going to have election day, right,
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Speaker 2: they believe then okay, they believe at that point, at
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Speaker 2: that moment, that the American people will bail and say no,
18:45
Speaker 2: I'm good.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to.
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Speaker 2: Do that, like I'm good, I'm gonna I'm not going
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Speaker 2: to vote for him because he's in I mean, he
18:54
Speaker 2: could be in jail, right, And that's the narrative. That's
18:56
Speaker 2: the narrative they're looking for. That's they're hoping for. That's
18:59
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Speaker 1: They show a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Boxes and a lot of documents at Marlago and it
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Speaker 2: looks like, well, if you just look at that right, well,
20:21
Speaker 2: Donald Trump shouldn't have had those things.
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Speaker 1: He's quote guilty.
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Speaker 2: That's what the media, that's what the press, the Democrats,
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Speaker 2: the communists, that's what they want you to believe. Let
20:31
Speaker 2: me just tell you the number of documents that former
20:35
Speaker 2: presidents have is astronomical. That's number one, number two. Many
20:42
Speaker 2: times those documents have been declassified because the president of
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Speaker 2: the United States of America has the ability to declassify
20:48
Speaker 2: those documents, so there is no issue. And then there's
20:52
Speaker 2: a third aspect of this that people need to understand.
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Speaker 2: Why would a president have classified documents?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: Why do they need them? Well, many times documents were
21:05
Speaker 2: classified at the time, but then as time goes on,
21:08
Speaker 2: they're no longer important, but they are part of a
21:10
Speaker 2: legacy of a president, and presidents love getting those documents
21:14
Speaker 2: for their presidential library from a history perspective, right, just
21:18
Speaker 2: from straight up a history aspect of things. That is
21:22
Speaker 2: part of why Donald Trump and every other president has
21:27
Speaker 2: these classes that have classified documents. Now there's also going
21:32
Speaker 2: to be a narrative, Well, Donald Trump's a narcissistic idiot
21:34
Speaker 2: and he should have listened. And what he should have
21:37
Speaker 2: done is he should have just played by the rules.
21:40
Speaker 2: He should have just given these documents back when they're
21:42
Speaker 2: asking for them. He should have not played this game
21:45
Speaker 2: of chicken with them, and then he wouldn't be in
21:48
Speaker 2: the situation that's in right now. All right, fair point, Okay,
21:52
Speaker 2: let's just say we use that. That means that the
21:56
Speaker 2: government and those that are supposed to be working for
21:59
Speaker 2: you right when you're the president now have leverage over
22:03
Speaker 2: you to then attack you.
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Speaker 1: That's a problem.
22:06
Speaker 2: Second thing is the idea that this president was supposed
22:09
Speaker 2: to just give away everything that he had is also
22:12
Speaker 2: not a realistic and or accurate representation of what was
22:16
Speaker 2: actually happening. So that's the other problem here. It's a narrative.
22:20
Speaker 2: It's a lie. It is a narrative not based in fact.
22:23
Speaker 2: It is a narrative based on we want Donald Trump
22:26
Speaker 2: to be guilty. So this is what we're going to
22:28
Speaker 2: sell you on, and this is what we're going to
22:30
Speaker 2: tell you about so that you will believe that he's
22:32
Speaker 2: guilty too.
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Speaker 1: We're going to show you pictures of all.
22:35
Speaker 2: Of these documents and boxes are laid out, and you say, well,
22:38
Speaker 2: of course no one should have that stuff, right, They
22:42
Speaker 2: all have it. Hillary Clinton had a hell of a
22:44
Speaker 2: lot of it, a lot more than Donald Trump ever did.
22:47
Speaker 2: Al Gore, I'm sure had them. Donald Trump isn't the
22:50
Speaker 2: only one. Bill Clinton had them, Jimmy Carter had them.
22:53
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on. There's also another part
22:56
Speaker 2: of this. The president is not the one that is
22:57
Speaker 2: packing up these boxes. Somebody inadvertently packs up some boxes.
23:03
Speaker 2: That's also another issue here. But you look at this
23:07
Speaker 2: indictment and I think it's pretty clear it is flimsy
23:10
Speaker 2: at best. It doesn't mean you can't get a conviction,
23:12
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can't get a jury in Miami. That's
23:15
Speaker 2: a hard core liberal that may say, yeah, I want
23:18
Speaker 2: to nail Donald Trump. But thirty seven counts and thirty
23:24
Speaker 2: one of those counts and counts of willful retention of
23:27
Speaker 2: national defense information, one kind of conspiracy to obstruct justice,
23:31
Speaker 2: one kind of corruptly concealing a document a record, and
23:35
Speaker 2: one kind of concealing a document in a federal investigation,
23:38
Speaker 2: and one count related to making false statements. Those are
23:41
Speaker 2: pretty flimsy charges, and I think the president knows it.
23:46
Speaker 2: The state's filing also said this. The classified documents Trump
23:49
Speaker 2: stored in his boxes included information regarding defense and weapon
23:54
Speaker 2: capabilities of both the United States and foreign countries, United
23:58
Speaker 2: States nuclear programs, Joel vulnerabilities of the United States and
24:02
Speaker 2: its allies to military attack and plans for possible retaliation
24:07
Speaker 2: in response to a foreign attack.
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Speaker 1: They say that is what is in these boxes. Now.
24:13
Speaker 2: Also, so you understand, the unauthorized disclosure of these classified
24:17
Speaker 2: documents could put at risk the national security of the
24:19
Speaker 2: United States of America, foreign relations, the safety the United
24:22
Speaker 2: States military and human sources, and the continued viability of
24:27
Speaker 2: sensitive intelligence collection period periods and methods. Viability of sensitive
24:33
Speaker 2: intelligence collection methods. Now, Trump allegedly suggested his attorney falsely
24:41
Speaker 2: represent to the FBI he did not have documents the
24:44
Speaker 2: government sought in a subpoena.
24:46
Speaker 1: Is what they're also accusing him of.
24:48
Speaker 2: Additionally, the indictment claims the former president suggested his attorney
24:52
Speaker 2: should hide or destroy documents called for by the grand
24:55
Speaker 2: jury subpoena. That's what they're again accusing him of. They
25:00
Speaker 2: want him, they're coming after him, and they're not backing down. Now,
25:04
Speaker 2: there's one other thing that I do think you need
25:06
Speaker 2: to understand, and that's about how much damage this is
25:08
Speaker 2: doing to the country.
25:10
Speaker 1: Right now, I want.
25:11
Speaker 2: You to hear what Senator Ted Cruz had to say
25:13
Speaker 2: about that as we were recording verdict to Ted Cruz.
25:16
Speaker 2: We did a deep dive into these indictments. You can
25:18
Speaker 2: hear that download verdict wherever you get your podcast. But
25:21
Speaker 2: listen to what he had to say.
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Speaker 7: I have to say, today is a very sad day
25:26
Speaker 7: in American history. It is a shameful day in American history.
25:32
Speaker 7: It is a disgraceful day in American history. Look, our
25:37
Speaker 7: Constitution establishes a system of justice where Number one, we
25:43
Speaker 7: have had for forty six presidents consistently a peaceful transfer
25:48
Speaker 7: of power, with each president leaving office on January twentieth,
25:53
Speaker 7: at least in the modern times, and each new president
25:56
Speaker 7: coming in on January twentieth. Never in over two centuries
26:02
Speaker 7: of our nation's history had a new president who launched
26:07
Speaker 7: the entire Department of Justice, the entire machinery of Justice,
26:11
Speaker 7: on a vendetta to persecute, to attack, to investigate, to indict,
26:17
Speaker 7: to try to throw in jail the former president, who,
26:22
Speaker 7: it should be noted, is also currently the leading contender
26:26
Speaker 7: on the Republican side to run against the current president.
26:31
Speaker 7: That has never happened at any point, no matter how
26:34
Speaker 7: bad the vitriol is gotten. Nobody has tried to do that.
26:40
Speaker 7: And part of the reason nobody has tried to do.
26:43
Speaker 7: That is for the vast majority of the history of
26:45
Speaker 7: our country, no department of Justice would go along with it.
26:48
Speaker 7: No attorney general would countenance being turned into a political
26:54
Speaker 7: weapon to attack your political opponent. The result of today,
27:01
Speaker 7: Merrick Garland is going to go down in disgrace as
27:06
Speaker 7: the most partisan and political attorney general in our nation's history.
27:10
Speaker 7: And Joe Biden and the Biden White House has decided
27:15
Speaker 7: to hell with democracy. By the way, today is an
27:19
Speaker 7: assault on democracy. You know. One of the things about
27:22
Speaker 7: the left, the language they use. They inevitably accuse their
27:27
Speaker 7: opponents of doing what they are doing. So right now
27:32
Speaker 7: democrats piously frame themselves as defenders of democracy. Today is
27:39
Speaker 7: a slap in the face of democracy because what today
27:43
Speaker 7: the Biden administration is saying is to hell with you, voters.
27:47
Speaker 7: We're worried that the voters might decide they want to
27:51
Speaker 7: reelect Donald Trump, and so we're not going to let
27:54
Speaker 7: the voters do that. We're going to bring a prosecution.
27:57
Speaker 7: And let me be clear, Look, we don't know the
27:59
Speaker 7: details of the process CUSHA. This indictment is still sealed,
28:02
Speaker 7: but the Biden doj is nothing if not political so
28:05
Speaker 7: they leak like crazy, so we have pretty good intel
28:10
Speaker 7: on what the claims are. Now, I will say this
28:14
Speaker 7: this podcast has said for a long time, over and
28:17
Speaker 7: over again. I've been telling Verdict listeners Merrick Garland wants
28:21
Speaker 7: to indict Donald Trump. He intends to indict Donald Trump.
28:25
Speaker 7: Came into office with the plan to indict Donald Trump.
28:29
Speaker 7: I'm going to point out those predictions were all entirely right.
28:32
Speaker 7: I also predicted on this podcast as we discussed that,
28:37
Speaker 7: I said, look, the indictment is not just going to
28:40
Speaker 7: be for possession of classified documents after you're out of office.
28:45
Speaker 7: That I believe had been the plan that I believe
28:48
Speaker 7: had been what Garland wanted to do. But then he
28:52
Speaker 7: ran into an enormous political complication. It's not as much
28:56
Speaker 7: a legal complication as it is a political complication, which
29:00
Speaker 7: is that Joe Biden was discovered having done the same
29:03
Speaker 7: thing over and over and over again, that he had
29:06
Speaker 7: classified documents it seems in every house he owns, and
29:08
Speaker 7: he owns houses all over the place, including most laughably
29:14
Speaker 7: classified documents just sitting in a box at his garage
29:17
Speaker 7: next to his corvette. Suddenly Merrit Garland had a problem,
29:23
Speaker 7: which is if he indicts Trump just on the possession
29:26
Speaker 7: of classified documents after he's out of office, Well, Joe
29:31
Speaker 7: Biden has done the same thing. And so what we
29:35
Speaker 7: predicted on this podcast is that Garland would indict Trump
29:40
Speaker 7: for obstruction of justice instead that he would indict Trump
29:43
Speaker 7: for lying about the documents that because Garland wouldn't indict
29:53
Speaker 7: Biden over it, he was not saying was a crime. Well,
29:57
Speaker 7: it turned out that prediction was mostly right, but not
30:00
Speaker 7: entirely right. So what it appears to be the case
30:03
Speaker 7: is the DOJ's indicting Trump for everything. They just threw
30:05
Speaker 7: the kitchen sink at him. So they're indicting him for
30:09
Speaker 7: apparently eighteen USC. Section seven ninety three E, which is
30:14
Speaker 7: obstructing an official proceeding eighteen USC. Section fifteen twelve C,
30:20
Speaker 7: which is conspiracy to obstruct justice eighteen USC. Section fifteen nineteen,
30:28
Speaker 7: and also making a maturely false statement pursuanty eighteen USC.
30:32
Speaker 7: Section one thousand and one. And so they're throwing all
30:36
Speaker 7: of this. They're doing obstruction of justice, but they're also
30:41
Speaker 7: focusing on the confidential documents that are doing both. This
30:45
Speaker 7: indictment is garbage. This is a political attack. It is
30:50
Speaker 7: a political attack from a thoroughly corrupted and weaponized Department
30:55
Speaker 7: of Justice, and it's a sad day for America.
30:59
Speaker 1: All Right.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to keep you update on this subject, and
31:01
Speaker 2: it's going to be unfolding. I have a feeling very quickly.
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