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We Finally have a Crime in the Trump Trial, Larceny by Cohen · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: It, right, I'm on top of it now. All this
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Speaker 1: happening as a Trump trial is going on. The five
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Speaker 1: yesterday on Fox made a great point. We finally have
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Speaker 1: a crime and the Trump case. Take a listen, nineteen
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Speaker 1: days into this trial, we finally have a crime larceny.
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Speaker 4: He stole sixty grand from his clients and then he.
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Speaker 3: Took the rest.
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Speaker 5: He paid twenty grand in cash in a brown paper
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Speaker 5: bag to the contractor he was stiffing.
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Speaker 6: This is the guy, this is the star witness.
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Speaker 7: So now the jury sees Trump as a victim.
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Speaker 1: Finally a crime, folks, Finally a crime has been committed.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump coming out calling this, as he described it,
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Speaker 1: a witch hunt.
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Speaker 3: Listen, nobody's ever seen anything.
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Speaker 7: This is a witchild this.
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Speaker 8: Is a child This is to damage cricket Joe by
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Speaker 8: the worst president in the history of our country by far
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Speaker 8: by far, to damage his political public.
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Speaker 9: That's all.
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Speaker 8: This is highly political judge, a totally conflicted judge who
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Speaker 8: just is something that nobody's ever seen it, and the
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Speaker 8: press is not happy. I don't imagine they just got
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Speaker 8: thrown out of a morthhouse.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's ever seen any play, no one's ever seen anything
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Speaker 1: quite like it. The president there, what do we now
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Speaker 1: know about the star witness and where the people on
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Speaker 1: the stand know or the I should say, the people
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Speaker 1: that are there, what do they know about this? Michael
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Speaker 1: Cohen his resume, he is a convicted felon, he is
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Speaker 1: a perjurer. He is the Democrat star witness and a
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Speaker 1: law fair campaign against President Trump. And now he's admitting, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I stole money. I stole money. Michael Cohen went asked
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Speaker 1: if he stole from the Trump organization. Yes, sir, yes, sir, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I stole that money.
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Speaker 3: I sure did. I stole it.
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Speaker 1: So he lies and the media is having to deal
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Speaker 1: with this, right like, this is a pretty darn big lie.
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Speaker 1: And I want you to hear what CNN says about
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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen stealing from the Trump organization.
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Speaker 3: Not a lawyer, just a common guy, just a humble
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Speaker 3: cave man.
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Speaker 4: But it seems like it seems like they should have
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Speaker 4: hit this harder a week ago.
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Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, And the point you just made about yourself,
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Speaker 7: that's what the jury is, except for two jurors don't
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Speaker 7: know this stuff, and so they need to have it,
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Speaker 7: you know, really presented to them. And so the fact
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Speaker 7: that it was minimized in that way by the prosecution,
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Speaker 7: I think it presents a very good opportunity in closing,
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Speaker 7: for they knew about this, they minimized it. The prosecutor
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Speaker 7: misled this jury. That's what I would are.
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Speaker 3: A you're allowed to say that, yes, sir.
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Speaker 6: The way this was raised and addressed on direct is
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Speaker 6: what Julia Louis Dreyfus would call YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean,
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Speaker 6: here's what Michael Cohen, Here's what Michael Cohen said.
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Speaker 10: Explained George Costanza.
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Speaker 6: No, no, no, it was a layine. It was it
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Speaker 6: was l YadA, YadA, YadA. Here's the direct testimony that
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Speaker 6: the way Michael Cohen explained what happened, especially a girl
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Speaker 6: that Stanza was dating, Michael Cohen explained this whole thing. Quote,
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Speaker 6: that's what was owed. And I didn't feel mister Trump
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Speaker 6: deserved the difference. That's a lot different than I stole
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Speaker 6: sixty thousand dollars from my boss on the transaction at
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Speaker 6: the heart of this case. And by the way, the
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Speaker 6: fact that he was never charged with larsening is important
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Speaker 6: because stealing sixty thousand dollars through fraud, which will be
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Speaker 6: larceny in New York State, is more serious of a
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Speaker 6: crime than falsifying business.
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Speaker 10: It's just one of those instances where I'm really looking
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Speaker 10: forward to talking to our reporter, our reporters who are
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Speaker 10: in there to see I understand, and I take your point,
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Speaker 10: Laura out or all of you really about playing to
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Speaker 10: the jury but also being careful about reading too much
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Speaker 10: into the reaction of the jury. I think the answer
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Speaker 10: to your question about whether or not they really did
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Speaker 10: absorb what the prosecution said last week or two weeks
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Speaker 10: ago will has to be noted by their reaction today
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Speaker 10: in some way, shape or form, don't you think.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I love this, I love how they're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: let's laugh about Seinfeld and talk about that for a second.
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Speaker 3: Would they have ever done that?
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Speaker 1: If this was switched the other way around, that a
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Speaker 1: Republican lied on the stand, they'd be going wall to
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Speaker 1: wall massive And they're like, oh crap, our favorite guy
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Speaker 1: who we've given countless hours of airtime to, Michael Cohen,
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Speaker 1: just admitted to stealing from the Trump organization. And then
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Speaker 1: you have a cn AN analyst that says this is
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Speaker 1: more serious of a crime than what they're accusing Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump of. It's grand largny basically, and then saying this
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Speaker 1: is like major go to jail stuff, and yet they
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Speaker 1: didn't charge Michael.
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Speaker 3: Cohen with it and they knew it, right, they knew it.
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Speaker 1: So how do you kind of, you know, soften this
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Speaker 1: for the viewers that hate Trump and CNN you talk
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Speaker 1: about YadA YadA, YadA, and this is like some sort
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Speaker 1: of Seinfeld episode.
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Speaker 3: And you all laugh about it. You take all that away.
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Speaker 1: And what CNN said was the defense scored a stunning
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Speaker 1: revelation that Michael Cohen stole money from the Trump organization
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Speaker 1: and was not charged with that crime. That's the other
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Speaker 1: part about this that you need to understand. And I
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Speaker 1: want you to hear what Trey Gowdy had to say
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Speaker 1: over at Fox. He's in the courtroom. He's actually in there.
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Speaker 1: He came out to do this interview on Fox. He's
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Speaker 1: one of the hosts there now former congressmen. And listen
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Speaker 1: to what he said about the jury.
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Speaker 11: And I thought his lawyers quite candidly. They got Coen
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Speaker 11: to admit that he lied, that he had a motive
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Speaker 11: to lie, that he would continue to lie in the future,
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Speaker 11: and then they moved on. They spent most of their
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Speaker 11: time on pretty esetaic things that I think, in the
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Speaker 11: final analysis, aren't going to move the jury. So juries,
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Speaker 11: that's what I'll watch. It's the only twelve opinions of matter.
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Speaker 11: They seemed a little bit I don't want to say disinterested,
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Speaker 11: because they weren't, but they seemed to be doing this
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Speaker 11: with their hands, Like, come on and get to the
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Speaker 11: good stuff. What we care about is if you can
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Speaker 11: show us that Cohen still is motivated by a desire
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Speaker 11: to hurt Donald Trump, we're interested. But if you're going
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Speaker 11: back to a conversation that may or may not be
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Speaker 11: relevant from four years ago, move on. I just kind
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Speaker 11: of mentally saw them doing this a little bit.
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Speaker 12: So Trey, if you go back to the original indictment,
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Speaker 12: the language says with intent to defraud and intent to
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Speaker 12: commit another crime, but it never articulates what the quote
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Speaker 12: another crime is. You spend a lot of time in
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Speaker 12: a courtman as a federal prosecutor.
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Speaker 3: Did you ever.
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Speaker 12: Take somebody to court when the defense didn't know what
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Speaker 12: crime that person was committed with?
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Speaker 11: I would never have taken this matter to court in
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Speaker 11: the first place. I don't think I mean defense passed
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Speaker 11: on it. Keep that in mind. I mean the fence
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Speaker 11: right down the street in the southern disc of New
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Speaker 11: York took a pass on this, So this is a
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Speaker 11: political motivation, but the jury's not going to hear that.
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Speaker 11: So the defense team still needs to treat this like
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Speaker 11: it is, like it is a prosecution that exposes the
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Speaker 11: former president, and they need to treat it like that.
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Speaker 11: There is a political component to it, for sure, but
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Speaker 11: for these twelve, if he wants a not guilty verdict,
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Speaker 11: you got to kind of put that aside.
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Speaker 1: Trey Gutty makes an interesting point there. Michael Cohen is
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Speaker 1: actually telling the truth about all of his lies. That's rare,
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Speaker 1: and the only people they need to make sure I
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Speaker 1: understand this as he described it, and he's absolutely right,
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Speaker 1: is the twelve people in the box, and it needs
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Speaker 1: to be exploited to make it clear to them that, hey,
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Speaker 1: this guy still has a motivation to lie about Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump and in fact has made millions of dollars off
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Speaker 1: of it, which he admitted to today. Fox News last
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Speaker 1: night Bob Costello testifying President Trump knew nothing about Michael
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Speaker 1: Cohen's payments. So again this is another example of the
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Speaker 1: media not covering the story. That's why I have to
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Speaker 1: do it for you.
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Speaker 13: Listen, Stello right now on the witness stand is talking
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Speaker 13: about his conversations with Michael Cohen back in twenty eighteen.
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Speaker 13: He described Cohen as manic during those conversations, pacing back
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Speaker 13: and forth, and he just said that Cohen told him
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Speaker 13: during that time that Trump knew nothing about the Stormy
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Speaker 13: Daniels deal.
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Speaker 1: Knew nothing about the Stormy Daniels deal nothing.
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Speaker 3: That's not all.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this as well again about the trial and
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Speaker 1: what's come out in the last twelve hours.
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Speaker 14: It's hard to understand how the judge is not going
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Speaker 14: to grant a directed verdict since there's no evidence that
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Speaker 14: links President Trump to any record keeping whatsoever. I just
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Speaker 14: don't understand it, and I don't think colleagues and all
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Speaker 14: the people that I worked with in the DA's office
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Speaker 14: have all said to me, Eric, go out and talk
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Speaker 14: about this. You have the experience to address it. And
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Speaker 14: they're actually all unanimously, whether they like President Trump or
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Speaker 14: never Trumper's have said they're embarrassed by the DA's office
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Speaker 14: bring in this type of case and has destroyed the
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Speaker 14: integrity of my old office.
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Speaker 3: It's hard.
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Speaker 1: This is a guy that used to work in the
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Speaker 1: Day's office, the same DA's office is bringing these charges
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Speaker 1: now CNN having to deal with a fallout as well,
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Speaker 1: like how do we cover this?
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Speaker 3: What do we say? How bad? Is it?
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Speaker 15: Truly amazing stuff that's going on right now, some truly
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Speaker 15: studying moments in the courtroom, to be sure. Earlier today,
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Speaker 15: Cohen admitting to stashing tens of thousands of dollars from
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Speaker 15: Trump back in twenty sixteen that was intended to go
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Speaker 15: to a technology company. Trump attorney Todd Blanche asking him
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Speaker 15: directly and I'm quoting now, so you stole from the
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Speaker 15: Trump organization? Cohen replying quote, yes, sir.
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Speaker 3: Truly, yes, sir, I stole.
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Speaker 1: CNN having to read that on the air, I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is incredible. My Hemingway saying this on Fox News
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Speaker 1: as well, about what this means is the defense wraps or
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Speaker 1: cross examination of Cohen.
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Speaker 16: Really are in a stunning moment in American history. We've
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Speaker 16: never experienced anything like this before. This is something we
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Speaker 16: usually associate with the Soviet Union or Venezuela or a
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Speaker 16: third world country where one political party is trying to
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Speaker 16: imprison and bankrupt their top political opponent, keeping him off
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Speaker 16: the ballot, putting him through show trials, all sorts of
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Speaker 16: trumped up charges all for political gain. Now, it really
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Speaker 16: are in a stunning moment.
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Speaker 1: I mean, She's right, it's a stunning moment. Guy Benson,
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Speaker 1: a friend of mine at Fox, saying this to Harris
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Speaker 1: Faulkner about the case.
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Speaker 4: The number of times I have heard the word devastating,
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Speaker 4: as Carrie just used in a description of Michael Cohen's testimony,
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Speaker 4: as in devastating to the prosecution, both on our air
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Speaker 4: and on even some of our competitors in recent days.
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Speaker 4: You get the sense that this is really going poorly
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Speaker 4: for Alvin Bragg.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, really going poorly. And the moment that he had
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Speaker 1: to admit to this, the way that Fox described it
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Speaker 1: and just reading the transcript was exactly what they should
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Speaker 1: have done. The way that everybody in the media should
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Speaker 1: have handled this. ABCNBCCBS did not handle it this way.
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Speaker 5: Listen, Finch and Cohen confirms that he owed Redfinch fifty
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Speaker 5: grand and never paid the full cash. Trump's attorney Bland says,
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Speaker 5: you stole from the Trump organization. Cohen says, yes, sir.
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Speaker 5: He also confirms lying to Alan Weisselberg. I don't know
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Speaker 5: how many of that is on the list, but that's
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Speaker 5: another prevarication, and Cohen says he never pleaded guilty to larceny.
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Speaker 5: On they go, Blanche presses Cohen, you did seal from
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Speaker 5: the Trump organization based upon the expected reimbursement of Redfinch,
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Speaker 5: and he says, yes, sir, so that's Finch.
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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I stole CNN then saying this after they
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Speaker 1: got the transcript. Listen carefully, it was only four well
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Speaker 1: about five seconds.
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Speaker 3: Listen to their gut check.
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Speaker 6: This has given such ammunition as to possibly fatally undermine
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Speaker 6: the prosecution's case.
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Speaker 1: Fatally undermining the prosecution's case. They knew he was a scumbag.
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Speaker 1: They go to the next person CNN. Was the next
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Speaker 1: person CNN on the panel say right, because they got
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Speaker 1: all these panelists right that know everything?
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Speaker 3: Would the next one say this practic?
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Speaker 10: But this is significant because they appear to have caught
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Speaker 10: Cohen in another.
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Speaker 1: Lie, another lie, like yeah, lied earlier. It's another lie.
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Speaker 1: So we'll have to figure this out.
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Speaker 3: Another lie.
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Speaker 1: Your star witness lying under oath, are admitting to stealing
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Speaker 1: from and making four plus million dollars off being anti Trump.
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Speaker 1: That's another part of the story. He admitted, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: made over four million dollars being a Trump hater. That's
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Speaker 1: how much money Michael Cohen's made off TikTok and the
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Speaker 1: interview on what's happening with Israel. He laid out a
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Speaker 1: one on one Listen to what he had to say
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Speaker 1: about laying out his three point plan for post war Gaza.
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Speaker 17: Question is what happens the day after the fighting stops?
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Speaker 17: Do you have a plan for the day after the war?
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think the day after the wars. First of all,
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Speaker 9: the day after Klamas. You have to destroy Klamas. Otherwise
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Speaker 9: The expansion of peace doesn't have a future. So get
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Speaker 9: rid of Lamas. That's our goal number one. Number two
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Speaker 9: demilitarized Gaza and the one sustained. The militarition I think
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Speaker 9: requires that Israel have the overall responsibility to fight resurgent terrorists. Three,
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Speaker 9: ensure that Gaza or seek a civilian administration by Gazans
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Speaker 9: who are not affiliated with Ramas and also don't seek
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Speaker 9: the destruction of Israel. And the last thing is rebuilt
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Speaker 9: Gaza in a peaceful way using the sort of moderate
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Speaker 9: Arab states and the international community. That's a realistic plan,
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Speaker 9: That's the one I have. But it goes through victory.
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Speaker 9: There is peace and stability and prosperity only through victory.
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Speaker 9: The road to peace goes through victory over Kamas, mister primeister,
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Speaker 9: thanks for your time.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister again speaking out right now, making it very
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Speaker 1: clear on all of this. Net and Yahoo just did
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Speaker 1: a one on one sit down interview moments ago with
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Speaker 1: Good Morning Americas speaking out after there is a prosecutors
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Speaker 1: assey International Criminal Court the ICC for arrest warrants for
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Speaker 1: the Israeli Prime minister and Hama's officials as well for
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Speaker 1: war crimes, trying to you know, act like both are
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Speaker 1: evil at the same level, which is insane. But this
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Speaker 1: is you know, one of those Okay, Well, both sides
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Speaker 1: are bad, so let's just arrest both. That's what they're
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Speaker 1: now asking for from the ICC. I want you to
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Speaker 1: hear what Netanyah who had to say on Good Morning America.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Netanyao in the wake of the top prosecutor for
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Speaker 17: the International Criminal Court seeking arrest warrant that alleges war
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Speaker 17: crimes in Gaza want to bring in the Prime minister
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Speaker 17: right now. Mister Prime Minister, thank you very much for
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Speaker 17: joining us this morning. You've been accused of using starvation
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Speaker 17: as a weapon of war. I know you've called that
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Speaker 17: decision by the prosecutors outrageous. The prosecutor responded to that yesterday.
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Speaker 17: I want you to listen to what he had to say.
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Speaker 18: Israel has every right not to give sukkah to Hamas
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Speaker 18: that is not contested. Israel has every right and needed
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Speaker 18: an obligation to get hostages back, but you must do
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Speaker 18: so by complying with the law. The fact that a
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Speaker 18: mass fighters need water doesn't justify denying water from all
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Speaker 18: the civilian population of Gaza.
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Speaker 17: Your response, well.
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Speaker 9: I think this is absurd. This is beyond outrageous. He
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Speaker 9: said that we deny water, and he's making a totally
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Speaker 9: false accusation here and everywhere else. We are supplying now
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Speaker 9: nearly half of the water of Gaza. We supplied only
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Speaker 9: seven percent before the war, So this is completely opposite
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Speaker 9: of what he's saying. He's saying that we're starving people.
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Speaker 9: You know, we have supplied half a million tons of
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Speaker 9: food and medicine with twenty thousand trucks. This guy is
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Speaker 9: out to demonize Israel. He's doing a hit job. He's
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Speaker 9: creating a false symmetry between the democratically elected leaders of
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Speaker 9: Israel and the terrorist chieftains. That's like saying in After
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Speaker 9: ninety eleven, well, I'm issuing the rest warrants for George Bush,
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Speaker 9: but also forbidd Laden or after in World War two, Well,
19:58
Speaker 9: I'm issuing rest warrants for but also for Hitler. It's
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Speaker 9: a hit job. It's not serious. He's out to defame Israel,
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Speaker 9: and he's also pouring gasoline on the fires of anti
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Speaker 9: Semitism that are spreading around the world because he is
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Speaker 9: attacking the one and only Jewish state and trying to
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Speaker 9: handcuff us, preventing us from exercising responsibly through the laws
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Speaker 9: of war as we obey them and we are subordinated
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Speaker 9: to them. He's saying we're not. He's creating false symmetry,
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Speaker 9: false facts, and he's doing a grave injustice to the
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Speaker 9: International Court.
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Speaker 17: As you know, there is a serious food crisis in Gaza,
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Speaker 17: and has Sidney McCain, head of the UN World Food Program,
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Speaker 17: said parts of Gaza are undergoing full blown famine. Do
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Speaker 17: you acknowledge that under international law, Israel has a legal
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Speaker 17: obligation to prevent people in Gaza from starving?
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Speaker 9: Well, we certainly have an obligation to enable trucks to
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Speaker 9: go in. And as I said, we've enabled twenty thousand
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Speaker 9: trucks to go in. We just fixed the roadbeds to
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Speaker 9: enable those trucks to go in and half a million
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Speaker 9: tons of food and drugs. Who's stopping this? In fact,
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Speaker 9: HAMAS is the one that is looting these trucks while
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Speaker 9: we're enabling them to go in. We don't have a
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Speaker 9: deliberate starvation diet, we don't policy. In fact, we have
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Speaker 9: the opposite policy to allow maximum humanitarian aid to get
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Speaker 9: people out of harms way, while HAMAS is doing everything
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Speaker 9: to keep them in harm's way at gunpoint. And in fact,
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Speaker 9: we've sent millions of text messages, of phone calls, leaflets
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Speaker 9: to people doing something that no army and no government
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Speaker 9: is done in modern urban warfare, giving up the element
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Speaker 9: of surprise, telling people get out of harm's way and
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Speaker 9: let us finish the war against the terrorists. We're not
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Speaker 9: targeting the population, We're targeting the terrorists. These are fallacious charges.
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Speaker 9: I think that they cast a terrible stain on the ICC,
21:47
Speaker 9: but I think serious countries are not taking them seriously.
21:50
Speaker 9: And I was very glad to see that President Biden
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Speaker 9: called them outrageous, as in many leaders bipartisan support across
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Speaker 9: the United States, and people are out putting bill in Congress,
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Speaker 9: bipartisan bill to put sanctions on the ICC prosecutor for
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Speaker 9: doing such a terrible singling outdividual. Really, really a distortion
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Speaker 9: and a travesty of justice.
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Speaker 17: Are you concerned about traveling in the wake of this
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Speaker 17: arrest warrant?
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Speaker 9: No, I'm not concerned about traveling. I think I'm not
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Speaker 9: concerned at all about our status. I think that the
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Speaker 9: prosecutor should be concerned about his status, because he's really
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Speaker 9: turning the ICC into a pariah institution. People are just
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Speaker 9: not going to take it seriously. They see it as
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Speaker 9: a politicized thing. I hope that the judges don't don't
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Speaker 9: confirm what he says, because that will make them into
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Speaker 9: a kangaroo court. Israel is fighting a just war, not
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Speaker 9: only ours, not only our war. We're fighting the war
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Speaker 9: of all democracies. Because if democracies are now faced with
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Speaker 9: a situation that, after taking incredible efforts to get people's
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Speaker 9: out of arms way to supply humanitarian aid on a
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Speaker 9: vast scale, if they're told then they're hauled into the
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Speaker 9: dock because the terrorists or fighting them and using civilians
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Speaker 9: as human shields. Then others will do it again, and
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Speaker 9: every democracy will be pulled into the dock where first
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Speaker 9: you're next. The big quest many people understand that, so
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Speaker 9: that has to be stopped, and that has to be resistant.
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Speaker 9: And I can assure you the vast majority of Israelis
23:16
Speaker 9: and all responsible leaders in the world understand that this
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Speaker 9: should be resisted.
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Speaker 17: The big question is what happens the day after the
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Speaker 17: fighting stops. Do you have a plan for the day
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Speaker 17: after the war?
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, I think the day after the wars first of all,
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Speaker 9: the day after Hamas. You have to destroy Hamas. Otherwise
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Speaker 9: Ghazins don't have a future. Peace doesn't have a future,
23:38
Speaker 9: The expansion of peace doesn't have a future. So get
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Speaker 9: rid of Hamas. That's our goal Number one. Number two,
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Speaker 9: demilitarize Gaza and the one sustained militarition I think requires
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Speaker 9: that Israel have the overall responsibility to fight resurgent terrorists. Three,
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Speaker 9: ensure that Gaza or seeka a civilian administration by Gazans
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Speaker 9: who are not affiliated with Lamas and also don't seek
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Speaker 9: the destruction of Israel. And and and the last thing
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Speaker 9: is rebuilt Gaza in a peaceful way using the sort
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Speaker 9: of moderate Arab states and the international community. That's a
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Speaker 9: realistic plan. That's the one I have. But it goes
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Speaker 9: through victory. There is peace and UH and stability and
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Speaker 9: prosperity only through victory. The road to peace goes through victory.
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Speaker 17: Over Kamas, mister Prime Minister, thanks for your time.
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Speaker 1: Natan Yea, who also went on another show to talk
24:33
Speaker 1: about this as well.
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Speaker 9: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And and he decided to make it clear, this is nothing.
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Speaker 1: But you know, this ICC is total crap.
24:44
Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: This this prosecutor on this arrest warrant, this is pure evil.
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Speaker 1: And the way that he described is like this would
24:53
Speaker 1: be like having a restaurant for Osam bin Laden and
24:55
Speaker 1: George Bush the same time, or or Hitler and in
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Speaker 1: those we're fighting him. It's totally lunacy. Yet they're covering
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Speaker 1: it in the media like this is some sort of
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Speaker 1: big deal.
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Speaker 3: And said being honest about it. Listen, welcome back.
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Speaker 19: As we've reported, the world's highest criminal court is seeking
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Speaker 19: to arrest toop Israeli and TOMAS leaders, including Israel's Prime
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Speaker 19: Minister Benjamin ette Yaho and the leader of Hamas both
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Speaker 19: for their alleged war crimes. The panel of experts surveying
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Speaker 19: the case actually includes Amal Clooney, who was handpicked by
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Speaker 19: the court more than four months ago. NBC International correspondent
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Speaker 19: Kelly Cobiera joins us now from London.
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Speaker 20: Kelly, good morning, Christine, Good morning to year. Yes, we
25:38
Speaker 20: know that Amal Clooney is married to Hollywood a lister,
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Speaker 20: George Clooney, but she is also a highly respected international
25:45
Speaker 20: human rights lawyer, and she revealed on Monday that she
25:48
Speaker 20: is a member of this expert panel which signed off
25:51
Speaker 20: on the prosecutor's decision to bring war crimes charges against
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Speaker 20: Natanyahu and top Hamas leaders. President Biden calling to bring
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Speaker 20: charges against top Israeli leaders outrageous.
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Speaker 21: Amal Clooney in the spotlight again, not for her marriage
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Speaker 21: to George Clooney or her glamorous red carpet style, but
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Speaker 21: for her role as a legal advisor to the International
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Speaker 21: Criminal Court in the Netherlands, the ICC's chief prosecutor requesting
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Speaker 21: arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ette, Yahoo, Israel's
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Speaker 21: Defense Minister, and three senior Hamas leaders for alleged war crimes.
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Speaker 21: Amal Clooney, writing, the law that protects civilians in war
26:33
Speaker 21: was developed more than one hundred years ago and it
26:36
Speaker 21: applies in every country in the world, regardless of the
26:39
Speaker 21: reason for a conflict, adding, I will never accept that
26:42
Speaker 21: one child's life has less value than another's. This is
26:46
Speaker 21: just the latest high profile legal case for Clooney, who
26:49
Speaker 21: is a barrister and member of a well respected British
26:52
Speaker 21: law firm. She once represented Wikileak's founder Julian Asange in
26:56
Speaker 21: his fight to avoid extradition to Sweden on sex crime charge.
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Speaker 21: More recently, she called on the UN and US to
27:03
Speaker 21: do more to stop reported war crimes in Ukraine. Ukraine
27:07
Speaker 21: is today a slaughter house right in the heart of Europe.
27:13
Speaker 21: She has also investigated atrocities in Syria, Darfur and Iraq,
27:18
Speaker 21: sitting down with NBC in twenty sixteen to explain what
27:21
Speaker 21: drives her.
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Speaker 10: I believe in international justice. I believe it's important that
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Speaker 10: you don't just turn the page without people being held
27:28
Speaker 10: to account.
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Speaker 21: The gravity of her day job in contrast to her
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Speaker 21: leading man husband, prompting a memorable moment at the twenty
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Speaker 21: fifteen Golden Globes.
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Speaker 22: Amal is a human rights lawyer who worked on the
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Speaker 22: Enron case, was an advisor to Kofi Anon regarding Syria,
27:44
Speaker 22: and was selected for a three person UN commission investigating
27:47
Speaker 22: rules of war violations in the Gaza strip. So tonight
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Speaker 22: her husband is getting a lifetime.
27:54
Speaker 9: Achievement aw.
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Speaker 21: The forty six year old mother of six year old twins,
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Speaker 21: it rarely gives interviews, preferring to focus on her work
28:03
Speaker 21: and her young children. She made an exception in twenty
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Speaker 21: eighteen when George was honored by the American Film Institute.
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Speaker 10: What I have found with you is the great love
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Speaker 10: that I always hoped existed.
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Speaker 21: One of the world's most glamorous women now taking a
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Speaker 21: strong stance on the conflict in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: I love this right, It's leave it to George Coney's
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Speaker 1: wife to Beck. Yeah, let's lock up that guy Net
28:28
Speaker 1: and Yahoo who was attacked by Hamas.
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Speaker 3: Let's do that. These people may.
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