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Ibtihaj Muhammad Full Interview · The Steve Harvey Morning Show

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Speaker 1: my heart. My next guest is an Olympic champion, something
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Speaker 1: I could never do. I'm gonna watch. I'm Olympic champion. Watcher.
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Speaker 1: Champions are born in many ways now. To become a
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Speaker 1: US Olympic champion, it takes many personal sacrifices and a journey.
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Speaker 1: My next guest is a U S Olympic medalist. She
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Speaker 1: is Muslim, and she is an activist and she is
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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. Please walking to money making conversation empty hab Muhammad,
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Speaker 1: how are you doing? I'm good? How are you? First
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Speaker 1: of all, you I love your energy, Thank you, thank you,
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Speaker 1: and I would in your book, you know it was
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Speaker 1: it was always your search. Your book, the book that
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Speaker 1: just comes out of July as Uh called Proud. And
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Speaker 1: you have two versions of that correct, one for one
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Speaker 1: for the eight to twelve and then the adult version
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Speaker 1: that I read. I'm saying the dull version of like
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Speaker 1: like it's some scary version of adult. But you the
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Speaker 1: side of the two verses. Why is that? Well, it's
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Speaker 1: always been important for me to hopefully inspire our youth,
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Speaker 1: in particular with my journey, and I thought what better
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Speaker 1: way to do that than to have a young reader's edition. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I remember, you know, growing up and having these moments
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Speaker 1: where you know the behavior of your friends and the
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Speaker 1: people around you can affect how you feel about yourself.
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Speaker 1: And we all, you know, need that push sometimes. If
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Speaker 1: not from the people around us, maybe you can find inspiration,
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Speaker 1: maybe in my story or from an athlete or you know,
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Speaker 1: someone in in your life. Well, the inspiration I found
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Speaker 1: was that you never gave up. Uh. Well, let's go
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Speaker 1: back a little bit. I remember that when you was
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Speaker 1: running track and uh, and your father told you, if
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Speaker 1: it gets too hot, it gets to get too much
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Speaker 1: for you, just stop. And you stopped when you was
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Speaker 1: running track and you ran over to your brother brothers
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Speaker 1: and why don't you stop? You were winning and your
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Speaker 1: mom looked at you. Mom just looked at you. Gave
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Speaker 1: that mom looking at your mom. I love to death
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Speaker 1: in this book. If you want to be inspired by
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Speaker 1: anybody in this book, you got to read this book
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Speaker 1: to read about her mom. She's amazing. That was that
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Speaker 1: was the turning point for you on decision making at
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Speaker 1: that critical point, at critical point in your life. Correct, Oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it's I my dad, who um, you know,
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Speaker 1: worked you know, for most of my childhood more than
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Speaker 1: one job, and he wasn't at my track. Me couldn't
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Speaker 1: make this one track met I had. And he says,
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Speaker 1: you know, if you ever it was really hot outside
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Speaker 1: and work her job, He's like, if it ever gets
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Speaker 1: too hard or you know, you feel like you can't breathe,
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Speaker 1: it's okay to stop. And somewhere in that six hundred
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Speaker 1: or eight hundred or whatever existence, but it was I
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Speaker 1: decided out, Yeah, it was too hot, I decided to stop.
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Speaker 1: But it's interesting how you know, we we perceived things
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Speaker 1: even as children as being difficult. And that's definitely the
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Speaker 1: training point in my life because my mom, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: she's she's always told us, you know, first and foremost,
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Speaker 1: don't waste your money, right right right? Yeah, my mom
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Speaker 1: she's she's she's a tough cookie. But I think that, uh,
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Speaker 1: and stilling a strong work ethic in us um is
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Speaker 1: what my parents always tried to do with me and
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Speaker 1: my stibiling, and then that's something that I've definitely carried
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Speaker 1: with me onto the field of play. As an athlete.
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Speaker 1: Now now let's talk let's talk about that story. I
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Speaker 1: want to gloss over because I think young people who
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Speaker 1: read the book there that you read that as well
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Speaker 1: as adults. You know that point that you feel that
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Speaker 1: you need to give up. Did you feel that you've
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Speaker 1: reached your point of frustration or you feel you maxed out?
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Speaker 1: That's what you thought at that point when you was
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Speaker 1: running the race and then you was giving it out,
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Speaker 1: and just because you've given it out, realized that you'd
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Speaker 1: always take it, you know, because you did really push yourself.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel you push yourself to that point when
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Speaker 1: you decided to stop or you just heard your father's
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Speaker 1: voice allowing you to just step out on this moment?
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Speaker 1: What was that? What was that? What was that moment?
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Speaker 1: Because you know, you because your mom gave me some
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Speaker 1: advice that you know you have to you want something,
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Speaker 1: you have to work for, and you wrote that in
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Speaker 1: your book. And so your brother, your brother looked at you,
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Speaker 1: like you what you're doing? You were winning? Why stop?
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Speaker 1: You were winning? So so there was a lot of
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Speaker 1: things running your head, I think from a very start
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Speaker 1: of that race that led you to make a decision
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Speaker 1: that was a very abrupt and without they even thought
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Speaker 1: thinking about the process. Because a lot of people make
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Speaker 1: those decisions in life, whether it's going to school or
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Speaker 1: jobs or relationships, and instead of they regret those decisions.
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Speaker 1: Thank goodness, your your decisions to stop running was wasn't
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Speaker 1: one of those life changing decisions. You know, you can
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Speaker 1: always just get on the track the next day, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of people do welcous through those steps where
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Speaker 1: you made that decision to walk away in that race. Well, again,
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Speaker 1: I mean I was really young. This is pretty early.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure I was in middle school yet.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that particular situation, if you're young
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Speaker 1: or old, we can all, like you said, you can
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Speaker 1: learn from I've had moments like that throughout my career
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Speaker 1: where I feel like maybe something is too difficult, or
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Speaker 1: this situation might be too hard, and of course it
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Speaker 1: may be easier to walk away. As one of very
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Speaker 1: few athletes of color on the United States fencing teams
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Speaker 1: and as the only Muslim woman in hijab on the
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Speaker 1: United States Olympic team, there's no part of my story
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Speaker 1: that's ever been easy, and a lot of it has
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Speaker 1: to do with, you know, traveling this this road that
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Speaker 1: not other people who look like me have done before.
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Speaker 1: So you do reach that kind of crossroad in your
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Speaker 1: life where you say, Okay, I haven't seen it done before,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's possible. I know that it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be hard, and I could. It's much easier to say, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it because it's too difficult
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Speaker 1: or i'm not sure if it's possible. And my entire
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Speaker 1: life has been a leap of faith. And I think
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Speaker 1: that my faith in my journey being more having more
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Speaker 1: purpose than just it being about me, has led me
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Speaker 1: to have this type of tenacity to keep pushing forward
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Speaker 1: and to be proud of who I am, and be
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Speaker 1: proud of my skin, to be proud of my head
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Speaker 1: jab and and say that this is who I am
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Speaker 1: and I don't really care if you if you like
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Speaker 1: it or not. I'm going to create a feat at
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Speaker 1: the table, not just for me, but people who look
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Speaker 1: like me. And that has been something that I've been
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Speaker 1: very steadfast and determined to do from the time, you know,
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Speaker 1: I really set foot on the Sensing Strip at the
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Speaker 1: years old. Now it's interesting you're saying that because the
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Speaker 1: fact that you have a fashion line, and uh, it's
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Speaker 1: called Luella. Right after my grandmother, your grandmother. I went
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Speaker 1: to the website and I went, wow, this looks very good,
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Speaker 1: looks very very fashion forward. And so what made you
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Speaker 1: go into that line? Because you know, this is just me,
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Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna just say this. You know, because
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Speaker 1: reading your story, I constantly you constantly wanted to have fun,
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Speaker 1: You constantly want to be a regular person, but your
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Speaker 1: but your lifestyle. People always wanted to treat you different
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Speaker 1: when you walked in the room or I had snive remarks,
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Speaker 1: I bullied you, especially in your middle school, in your
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Speaker 1: high school years. And then you come out with a
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Speaker 1: fashion line. And we're gonna talk about the doll in
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Speaker 1: a minute, but let's talk about that and the importance
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Speaker 1: of of designing that and laying out a footprint of
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Speaker 1: who you are and what people can do and uh
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Speaker 1: in this in this lifestyle. Yeah. So, as a sports
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Speaker 1: ambassador for the US State Department and also as a
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Speaker 1: public figure within the Muslim community for a really long time,
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Speaker 1: I've had you know, events where I'm speaking in front
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Speaker 1: of you know, a thousand, two thousand, three thousand people,
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Speaker 1: and as a Muslim woman, I want to be modest
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Speaker 1: in what I wear. So I struggled to find fashionable,
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Speaker 1: modest options in the US market, to be honest, and
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Speaker 1: I was ordering a lot of things from overseas, and
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Speaker 1: I just kind of arrived at a point in my
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Speaker 1: life where I'm like, you know what, there's a void,
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Speaker 1: there's a need for this in the United States. Nobody's
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Speaker 1: doing it well. And my siblings and I decided that
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Speaker 1: we would do that. So we literally started our company
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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles a leap of faith and really out
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Speaker 1: of necessity. It was time for there to be something
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Speaker 1: that's made here in the United States for women who
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Speaker 1: want to dress modestly but also be fashionable. Being modest
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean being doudy or wearing dark colors. I mean
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Speaker 1: muscle women like anyone else, want to spressed ourselves through
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Speaker 1: what our what we wear. And it just seems very
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Speaker 1: fitting for me and my siblings to start the company. Now,
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Speaker 1: all the all those siblings, and there's your brother, older brother.
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Speaker 1: He's involved. He is for a really long time. He
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Speaker 1: oversees the productive I've read your I read your brother,
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Speaker 1: you know, so he's really he's a great character in
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Speaker 1: the book as far as stamps stepping up for you,
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Speaker 1: especially when a young man bullied you and pinch your
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Speaker 1: on real hard. He's right there with you. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: he was great for sticking up. Friend. Are well, we
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Speaker 1: want we want go and take a break right quick,
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna come back. And I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about the dramatic moment when you made two decisions wanted
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Speaker 1: to walk away from fencing and wanted to change your
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Speaker 1: major Those are two major decisions that uh that that
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Speaker 1: made you who you are who you are today. And
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Speaker 1: we'll be right back with money making conversations. She's fantastic.
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Speaker 1: She's the Olympic champion. And guess what I'm talking to
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Speaker 1: our money making conversations keep winning. All this was Sean McDonald.
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Speaker 1: You're listening to money making conversations on the phone. Olympic
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Speaker 1: champion medalists, US Olympic medalists. Uh. Fashion designer, well this
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Speaker 1: she has a doll. The tails put out in the
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Speaker 1: in their shiro line, um their empty hat. Muhammed, tell
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Speaker 1: me a doll. You have a doll? Now, A damn?
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Speaker 1: What happened when you've realized that was happening to you?
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Speaker 1: Actually going to be immortalized in the toy world. I
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Speaker 1: have always been a fan of Martin. Mean, brother, I
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Speaker 1: thought you were psyched right when you when they showed it,
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Speaker 1: you use popped up right. To be completely honest, I cried,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know. I didn't know that, you know,
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Speaker 1: this toy was going to market. Mattel has a Shiro
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Speaker 1: line in which they, you know, make a doll for
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Speaker 1: their kind of halt Mattel Hall of Scene. Uh, for
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Speaker 1: a woman every year who embodies these different qualities them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that women that that girls in particular can look up
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Speaker 1: to aspire to be find inspiration. And so I thought that,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's great to be a part of this
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Speaker 1: long line of women like Ava du verne Um and
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Speaker 1: Ashley Graham, and that was an honor in itself. But
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Speaker 1: to find out that my Barbie doll, which is the
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Speaker 1: first doll and hijab and also the first spencer that
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Speaker 1: Mattel will have on toy shelves, it, you know, to
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Speaker 1: be honest again, it made me. It brought me to tears.
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Speaker 1: I grew up playing with Barbie. Barbie was a huge
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Speaker 1: part of my life. It allows me to view myself
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Speaker 1: in a way that very few other things in my
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Speaker 1: life did and allowed me to escape from my older
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Speaker 1: brother who believed me at times. That allowed me the firefighter,
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Speaker 1: you know, to be a doctor, to be at sahole. Mom,
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Speaker 1: I had a cornvett, I had a three story house
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Speaker 1: with a pool. Other if I had all these cool
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Speaker 1: things with my Barbie doll and I think what was
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Speaker 1: most important about my doll play as a kid is
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Speaker 1: that my mom only bought brown dolls for me and
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Speaker 1: my sisters. And that was her you know, small way
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Speaker 1: and ensuring that her daughter saw themselves represented, even if
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Speaker 1: something as simple as as doll plays. So I'm again
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Speaker 1: very honored to be a part of the Mattel company,
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Speaker 1: especially in this really important moment. You know, for a
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Speaker 1: company to choose to be inclusive, to choose to be diverse,
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Speaker 1: is revolutionary. There are a lot of people, especially you know,
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Speaker 1: with this presidency, who aren't choosing that that side of history.
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Speaker 1: So I'm very appreciative. Okay, So, so you got a
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Speaker 1: fashion line, Luella named after your grandmother. Now you're part
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Speaker 1: of the Shiro doll line. Okay, so these things are
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Speaker 1: happening to you, young lady, and you didn't and so
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Speaker 1: it but he walked away from fencing. Why you're referring
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Speaker 1: to me walking away from saying when I was in college, UM,
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Speaker 1: you know, I I, like anyone at that time in
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Speaker 1: my life, wanted to experience college and UM all of
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Speaker 1: its capacity. And when you're a student athlete at you know,
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Speaker 1: one of the top five schools in the country, it's
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Speaker 1: very difficult to balance you know, academia, athletics and a
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Speaker 1: social life and being again being in in a space
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Speaker 1: as a minority athlete. You know, I was the only
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Speaker 1: black person all my fencing team. It was hard. It's difficult,
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Speaker 1: and I think after three years of of fencing at Duke,
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Speaker 1: I just needed maybe a bit of a reprieve also
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Speaker 1: to just kind of enjoy my time away from, you know, everything,
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Speaker 1: being in North Carolina for that last year. And so
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Speaker 1: you you you walk away from it in college should
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Speaker 1: have established that time frame from me because you went like, okay,
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Speaker 1: when is he talking about that? Evoked away from But
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Speaker 1: the thing about it is that you did graduate with
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Speaker 1: your degree, but it wasn't a degree that your parents
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Speaker 1: thought you should be graduating because they had a plan
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Speaker 1: for you to be a doctor. That was a tough
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Speaker 1: decision for you to make because you know, as all parents,
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Speaker 1: like my parents expected certain things to me when I
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Speaker 1: went to college. And when I decided that that wasn't
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Speaker 1: what the plan, their plan wasn't my plan. That was
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Speaker 1: a tough decision because your father, being a police officer,
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Speaker 1: you know, he worked hard, your mom worked hard. Your
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Speaker 1: mom was at all your practice. He drugged you from
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Speaker 1: out of New York, drub you New York to practice,
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Speaker 1: end the time, to go to these tournaments, to make
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Speaker 1: sure they paid that extra thirty dollars the entry fees.
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Speaker 1: So they've always been there trying to give you that
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Speaker 1: next level, all their kids, not just you, but all
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Speaker 1: of your all their kids, that next level of opportunity
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Speaker 1: of success. And so you make a decision for yourself,
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Speaker 1: really officially, probably for the first time, to change your major.
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Speaker 1: How did that times I'm about and when you made
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Speaker 1: that phone call, what made you relax? Well? I think
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Speaker 1: that you know it's not I don't think that my
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Speaker 1: story is unique in a sense that you have black
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Speaker 1: parents or brown parents even who have a very you know,
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Speaker 1: my optic idea of what they want their children to do.
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Speaker 1: And my parents need to be a doctor, lawyer, you
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Speaker 1: need to be a doctor, lawyer. And for as long
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Speaker 1: as I can remember, I mean, we never even had
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Speaker 1: a break academically. We went from you know school uh
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Speaker 1: nine or ten months out of the year, two pre
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Speaker 1: college programs at local meddle coal schools and colleges. And
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Speaker 1: that's I mean. I have a mother who's been um
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Speaker 1: in education for forever, so um too to have this
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Speaker 1: mindset of Okay, I'm going to be a doctor for
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Speaker 1: my entire life. When I got to school, I realized,
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Speaker 1: wait a second, this isn't you know, my dream. I
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Speaker 1: think this is more of my parents dream. And it
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Speaker 1: took me a long time to arrive at that at
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Speaker 1: that realization, and um, when I did, it was it
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Speaker 1: was great for me because I got a chance to
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Speaker 1: really study things that were important to me. I know
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Speaker 1: that being a child of the public school system, I
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Speaker 1: didn't have the opportunity to learn a lot about my
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Speaker 1: own history as an African American, and I was very
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Speaker 1: um aware that I wanted to learn as much as
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Speaker 1: I could, uh during my time at Duke about my
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Speaker 1: ancestors and you know where I'm from and how um
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Speaker 1: the African American experience has really broken down and right
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Speaker 1: to where we are today. So it was a conscious
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Speaker 1: decisions and not I'm only you know, major in UM
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Speaker 1: International relations because I've always been interested in culture and language,
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Speaker 1: but also to double major in African and African American
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Speaker 1: studies because I feel like it was something that I
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Speaker 1: owed to, you know, my ancestors too, literally laid down
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Speaker 1: their lives so that I could have an experience the
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Speaker 1: things that I've experienced. Spears on the state. I let
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Speaker 1: me co sign that all my degrees in mathematics about
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Speaker 1: minor is in sociology, UH would have emphasis in African
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Speaker 1: American studies. And she's she's saying something that's very truthful
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Speaker 1: about public school. Um did they just skipped over African
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Speaker 1: American history? And then when I got to college, I
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Speaker 1: took a course that actually brought me to tears, and
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Speaker 1: I realized I didn't know that we did any of
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Speaker 1: these things, you know, because really the way African way
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Speaker 1: history works for African Americans. You know, you have Christmas addicts.
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Speaker 1: You know, he died at he died he's the first band,
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Speaker 1: and they said he kind of like got pushed in
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Speaker 1: the line of fire and then we get freed, and
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Speaker 1: you have the gym Crow. They don't really mention our
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Speaker 1: efforts in the science and technology. There's no really mentioned
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Speaker 1: of our efforts in any of the world wars um
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you up to the
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Speaker 1: brown voice of avoid education and you did I have
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Speaker 1: a dream speech and you have the riots when okay,
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Speaker 1: w du the king is assassinated and then we're here,
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Speaker 1: you know, and we're disenfranchised, and so not knowing your history,
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Speaker 1: I think it's very important because if you don't know
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Speaker 1: what you could be, or what you were or what
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Speaker 1: you can be, it can really slow your growth on
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Speaker 1: what you should be and what you're capable of becoming.
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Speaker 1: And I wanted to just co sign that that was
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Speaker 1: really important for me, and I'm a male, to gether
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Speaker 1: that level of information in my life. It changed me.
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Speaker 1: It changed me. I'm just telling you it changed my life.
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Speaker 1: It really it does. And I wish that more people
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