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White House Pays Ransom to Iran and Sen. Ted Cruz Talks Impeachment · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here in Washington, d C. And I've
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Speaker 1: spent the last two days with Senator Ted Cruz. And
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Speaker 1: while we've been here, the news that has erupted has
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Speaker 1: been incredible. Not only do we have this Iranian deal,
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Speaker 1: which is disgusting, and I'm going to let you hear
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Speaker 1: what Cinder Cruz has to say about that in a moment,
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Speaker 1: but we also have this other big story, and that
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Speaker 1: is on the issue of impeachment. The White House, by
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Speaker 1: the way, has made their first official comments as Republicans
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Speaker 1: are moving on impeachment. This is White House Press Secretary
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Speaker 1: Jean Pierre, and here's what she had to say in
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Speaker 1: response to the impeachment moving forward. Trying to tell you, well,
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Speaker 1: there's no reason impeaching because everything's great with the economy,
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Speaker 1: Everything is great in this country. You should be thankful
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Speaker 1: you've got Joe Biden as your president.
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Speaker 2: So want to be clear about a couple of things.
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Speaker 2: You know, I just talked about bionomics. I just talked
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Speaker 2: about what the President's going to do tomorrow, really deliver
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Speaker 2: a major speech, something that the American people want to
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Speaker 2: hear about what are we doing to improve their lives?
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Speaker 2: Work on the economy, and these are real issues, real
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Speaker 2: priorities for Americans, and like I said, like lowering costs.
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Speaker 2: But what you see Republicans in Congress, right, they have
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Speaker 2: spent all year investigating the president. That's what they have
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Speaker 2: spent all year doing and have turned up with no evidence, none,
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Speaker 2: that he did anything wrong. I mean, that is what
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Speaker 2: we've heard over and over again from their almost year
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Speaker 2: long investigation. And that's because the President didn't do anything wrong.
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Speaker 3: Well, there it is, so I guess we should just
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Speaker 3: shut it down.
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Speaker 1: No reason to move forward because the White House, who
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Speaker 1: also lied to you about the president having no conversations
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Speaker 1: with the son about business dealings. Then they lied to
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Speaker 1: you again when they said, okay, well change that narrative
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Speaker 1: real quick, and the new narrative as well, he's never
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Speaker 1: directly involved in his son's business dealings. Then that didn't suffice.
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Speaker 1: So now they're saying, well, then he was just a dad.
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Speaker 1: He was taking the phone calls of his son talking
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Speaker 1: about the weather, and sometimes there happen to be some
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Speaker 1: business people around his son while they were talking about
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Speaker 1: the weather. These scumbags and the White House Press Secretary
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Speaker 1: is supposed to be honest with the American people. Her salary,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is paid for by you and I
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Speaker 1: the tax payers.
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Speaker 3: She is lying.
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Speaker 1: It's very clear that she's lying, and she's saying that
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Speaker 1: there is no evidence. Now, that's when the White House
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Speaker 1: Press Corps should have erupted with all of the examples
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Speaker 1: of evidence, all the examples of suspicious activity reports, all
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Speaker 1: the examples of Joe Biden and his burner phone and
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Speaker 1: his aliases and his burner email accounts, and should have
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Speaker 1: immediately been a massive loud shouting match.
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Speaker 3: But it wasn't.
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Speaker 1: Why because they are now going back in to protect
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Speaker 1: the president.
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Speaker 3: It all costs mode.
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Speaker 1: That's what you're witnessing here, same exact thing where this
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Speaker 1: White House also cannot answer questions about Iran, and many
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Speaker 1: of the questions that are now coming out about this
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Speaker 1: prisoner swap with Iran are truly shocking. And I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get to that in a moment, and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to let also let you hear what Centator Ted Cruz
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Speaker 1: had to say about that as we were chatting. But
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Speaker 1: let me also let you hear what Kevin McCarthy said
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Speaker 1: today about impeachment and this inquiry. Listen to the latest
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Speaker 1: from him.
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Speaker 4: What more, do Republicans need to prove and provide hard
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Speaker 4: evidence of any possible robbing doing, he.
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Speaker 5: Used, any possible wrong If you had an FBI informant
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Speaker 5: alleged someone who's brig and they use shell companies, how
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Speaker 5: do you prove that? You'd have to get the document.
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Speaker 3: If we don't have any of.
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Speaker 2: The credit card statements from all the credit cards.
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Speaker 4: From this shell companies, we don't have the president's bank statements,
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Speaker 4: we don't have hundred.
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Speaker 2: Guidance bank statements.
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Speaker 5: Providing information like that would answer the question.
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Speaker 2: All we're looking at in an impeachment Choir is answering
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Speaker 2: the question.
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Speaker 3: So he's laying it out very clearly.
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Speaker 1: This is about having it laid out to the American people.
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Speaker 1: Where is the money, Where did the money go? What
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Speaker 1: were you doing with the money?
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Speaker 3: And you have.
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Speaker 1: Now you know John Pierre who's coming out here and saying, well,
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Speaker 1: we're not worried about impeachment, right, that's not what.
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Speaker 3: We're worried about.
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Speaker 1: We're worried about Bidenomics, and we're worried about you knowing
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Speaker 1: exactly what's happening here with Bidenomics and how great things
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Speaker 1: are with Bidenomics, right, Like.
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Speaker 3: This is where they're going with this.
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Speaker 1: It's it's truly shocking to me to hear them talk
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Speaker 1: this way. Now, look, the Democrats are out full full
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Speaker 1: court press saying Biden's impeachment is all smoke, no fire.
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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example of that. John Deane, all right,
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Speaker 1: hardcore lefty, said this on CNN today for.
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Speaker 6: A trial, I don't see any probable cause here. As
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Speaker 6: Dan Goldman said at the top of the show, there's
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Speaker 6: just no evidence. So this is all smoke and no fire.
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Speaker 1: So to be clear, all of the money that's come
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Speaker 1: in the irs, whistleblowers and everyone else that's involved, they're
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Speaker 1: now saying the official line of the media in the
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Speaker 1: White House says there's all smoke and there's no fire. Now,
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Speaker 1: if that's not enough, okay, today you had Raskin who
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Speaker 1: came out and said this about the impeachments, saying this
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Speaker 1: is nothing but coming from Donald Trump. And Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: in died of mand so you shouldn't listen to him anyway.
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Speaker 4: There's ninety one criminal charges against Donald Trump right now,
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Speaker 4: thirteen criminal charges against Congressman Santos, who was just on
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Speaker 4: the show a few moments ago. They have nothing to
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Speaker 4: say about that. There are no charges against Joe Biden,
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Speaker 4: and they want to impeach the guy that's obviously coming
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Speaker 4: from Donald Trump. It's sort of like January sixth. January
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Speaker 4: sixth would not have happened had Donald Trump not got
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Speaker 4: all of the right wing groups to change their permits
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Speaker 4: from the National Park Service from January twentieth, where they
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Speaker 4: were just going to have an inaugural protest to January sixth.
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Speaker 4: And it's the same thing here. If Donald Trump were
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Speaker 4: not demanding impeachment, does anybody think this would be going on?
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Speaker 1: So this is the new and I play this for you.
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Speaker 1: It should frustrate you, it should make you angry, but
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Speaker 1: I also want you to know and understand your enemy,
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Speaker 1: and the enemy this is their defense. Their defense is well,
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump somehow is the one that brought this up.
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is somehow the bad guy here. This is
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Speaker 1: all a ruse. Donald Trump's the one that should be
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Speaker 1: in jail. And Kevin McCarthy is an idiot, and Kevin
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Speaker 1: McCarthy and everybody else around him, they're all stupid, and
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the worst person in the world. And
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Speaker 1: they're going to keep going back to this. It's going
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Speaker 1: to be a rerun the entire time. They're also going
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Speaker 1: to tell you there's no crimes that were committed. They're
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Speaker 1: going to tell you that there's no smoke here. They're
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Speaker 1: going to tell you that everything is just fine. They're
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Speaker 1: going to tell you that there's no evidence here, even
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Speaker 1: though and we will lay out the evidence. And that's
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Speaker 1: part of my conversation that I had with Senator Ted
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Speaker 1: Cruz as we sat down in DC to talk about this,
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Speaker 1: was how much evidence here and how this trial is
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Speaker 1: going to move forward. And that's part of the reason
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Speaker 1: why I want to play it for you, because he
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Speaker 1: explains the evidence and how they're going to lay out
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Speaker 1: this case and how you win this case with impeachment
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Speaker 1: and what you need to do, and what I should
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Speaker 1: say the Republicans need to do, and also how you
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Speaker 1: can explain it.
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Speaker 3: I would say to your friends.
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Speaker 1: Now, before I get to that, I also have to
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Speaker 1: play for you something that was absolutely disgusting. The White
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Speaker 1: House lied about Iran today as well. And the Iranian payments. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the Iranian president says Taran will spend the six billion
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Speaker 1: dollars release the prisoner exchange. However, the hell they want
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Speaker 1: to That means the White House lied to you and
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Speaker 1: they said it would only be used for humanitarian aid.
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Speaker 3: Listen to this from the Nightly News.
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Speaker 2: Do you believe you have a right to use that
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Speaker 2: money in any way that you see fit.
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Speaker 6: A little bit?
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Speaker 7: This money belongs to the Islamic to public of Iran,
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Speaker 7: and naturally we will decide is nomic to public, k
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Speaker 7: Iran will decide to spend it. Yeah, we need it.
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Speaker 7: How to spend our money? Of course, it is under
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Speaker 7: the authority of the stomach to public.
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Speaker 1: Ran So Iran saying, you guys are a bunch of idiots.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna spend this six billion dollars on terrorism. If
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Speaker 1: we want to spend this money on terrorism, we don't.
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Speaker 3: Care, right it.
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Speaker 1: Also, you go to the White House, John Kirby, John
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Speaker 1: Kirmy said, this is not ransom.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 1: This is the NSC Coordinator for Strategic Comms at the
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Speaker 1: White House defending the unfreezing of the six billion Iranian assets.
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Speaker 1: And then they lied and said will only be used
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Speaker 1: for humanitarian reasons, And Iran's like, no, it's not. We
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Speaker 1: can use it for terrorism. We can use it kill Americans,
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Speaker 1: just like we did in the Rafghanistan, rac we can
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Speaker 1: use it to kill Israelis, we can use it to
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Speaker 1: send money to al Qaeda or ISIS or anyone else.
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Speaker 3: And where's the White House? Say listen?
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Speaker 2: I also want to be clear, this is not a
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Speaker 2: payment of any kind.
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Speaker 5: It's not ransom. These aren't US tax payer dollars. And
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Speaker 5: we haven't lifted a single one of our sanctions on Iran.
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Speaker 3: Iran will be getting no sanctions relief.
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Speaker 1: So then why did you have this money frozen in
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Speaker 1: the first place, and then why did you unfreeze it?
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Speaker 1: If what you're saying is true, John Kirby in the
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Speaker 1: White House, they are paying ransom to terrorists that are
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Speaker 1: and also about what's happening when it comes to this impeachment,
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Speaker 1: and explaining to you how this impeachment is going to
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Speaker 1: go down. I want you to hear though the first
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Speaker 1: part of what he had to say about this Iranian deal.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen.
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Speaker 1: The House was informed, Congress was informed on the anniversary
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Speaker 1: of nine to eleven that there was going to be
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Speaker 1: a prisoner swap with a Ran and oh, by the way,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna send them basically allow them to get their
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Speaker 1: hands on six billion dollars that they had in assets.
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Speaker 1: This is a terrible move in my opinion. I want
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Speaker 1: to get your take on this as shocking that's happened,
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Speaker 1: especially notifying Congress on the anniversary nine to eleven.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's outrageous and it's dangerous. On September eleventh, I
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Speaker 5: was in New York City. I was at the fire
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Speaker 5: station that lost the most firefighters at ground zero. Fifteen
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Speaker 5: firefighters from the station I was at never returned, and
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Speaker 5: I had the opportunity to speak at a memorial and
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Speaker 5: to thank the families that were grieving those heroes. And
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Speaker 5: I pointed out, you know, the word hero is used
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Speaker 5: cheaply a lot of times to refer to athletes, to
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Speaker 5: refer to musicians' hero doesn't apply to any of them.
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Speaker 5: The men who charged into burning buildings knowing they were
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Speaker 5: headed to certain death, they are heroes, and it was
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Speaker 5: really an extraordinary honor to give tribute to them and
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Speaker 5: to try to try to tell the story for young
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Speaker 5: people of what happened on September eleventh. While we're there, remembering,
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Speaker 5: Joe Biden couldn't bother to show up. But to add
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Speaker 5: insult to injury, Joe Biden announces that he's given six
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Speaker 5: billion dollars to the Ayatola, a radical Islamic theocratic who
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Speaker 5: regularly chance death to America and death to Israel. The
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Speaker 5: six billion dollars is in exchange for five Americans. On
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Speaker 5: top of that, there are another five Iranians that are
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Speaker 5: being released.
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Speaker 3: At this point. They have not.
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Speaker 5: Publicly said who they are of what they've done. I'm
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Speaker 5: sure it's bad, because if it weren't bad, they would
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Speaker 5: they would have told us already. There are lots of
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Speaker 5: reasons why this is wrong, one of which is this money,
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Speaker 5: the six billion dollars will go directly to fund terrorism.
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Speaker 1: This money, Oh no, no, the Biden administration promised us
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Speaker 1: their words, this will only go for humanitarian issues. They
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Speaker 1: were saying that six billion dollars will never be used
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Speaker 1: for anything bad at all. What's even worse than that
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Speaker 1: is the lie is the Iranian president came out and said,
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Speaker 1: now I.
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Speaker 3: Will spend the money from the prisoner swap how we want.
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Speaker 3: In other words, screw you, Biden.
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Speaker 1: You're lying to the American people about it, and we'll
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Speaker 1: do whatever the hell we want with the money.
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Speaker 5: The exact quote from the Iran's president was that the
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Speaker 5: funds will be used quote wherever we need it, and
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Speaker 5: it is a metaphysical certainty this money will be used
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Speaker 5: to fund terrorism. Why because Iran is the leading state
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Speaker 5: sponsor of terrorism in the world. That Americans will be murdered,
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Speaker 5: is Raelis will be murdered, and it's not just six
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Speaker 5: billion dollars, because they're also refusing to enforce sanctions, which
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Speaker 5: collectively is tens of billions or even hundreds of billions
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Speaker 5: of dollars to fund terrorism. This is part of a
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Speaker 5: secret nuclear deal. The Biden administration doesn't want to take
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Speaker 5: a nuclear deal to Congress because they know they can't
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Speaker 5: get it through Congress, so as they're doing it in secret,
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Speaker 5: and on top of that, this creates an incentive for
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Speaker 5: every ten pot dictator in the world to seize more Americans.
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Speaker 5: They're setting the going rate at one point two billion
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Speaker 5: per American hostage. More Americans will be taken hostage because
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Speaker 5: of this, and to do it on the anniversary of
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Speaker 5: nine to eleven is disgusting and it's dangerous.
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Speaker 1: There was something else in here Centat that really shocked me.
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Speaker 1: In all of the most recent prisoner swaps that we've had,
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Speaker 1: we knew who we were trading and who they were
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Speaker 1: and what they had done, whether it was Britney Grinder
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Speaker 1: and Russia. We knew that we were trading the merchant
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Speaker 1: of death, whether when it was bo Bergdal, We knew
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Speaker 1: the people that we were trading, for example, in Afghanistan,
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Speaker 1: and we knew their resume of terror, what they'd done.
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Speaker 1: I can't find anywhere, And I want to know, as
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Speaker 1: a member of Congress, have you been briefed on who
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Speaker 1: the five Iranians are that they're getting back and what
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Speaker 1: the hell have they done?
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Speaker 3: So I have not.
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Speaker 5: I assumed that at some point we will be and
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Speaker 5: I also assume at some point the names and what
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Speaker 5: they did will be made public. I very much hope so.
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Speaker 5: But this is profoundly dangerous when you funnel billions of
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Speaker 5: dollars to theocratic, homicidal maniacs lives and it is tragically
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Speaker 5: a certainty that Americans will die because of this decision
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Speaker 5: from the Biden administration, and to do it on the
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Speaker 5: anniversary of nine to eleven shows really a complete lack
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Speaker 5: of awareness of the magnitude.
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Speaker 1: Of the threat, to be clear, and I think this
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Speaker 1: goes back to nine to eleven. Iran killed more or
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Speaker 1: help kill more and dismember more Americans with roadside bombs
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Speaker 1: and giving safe Haymanto terraces after we invaded Iraq and
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Speaker 1: Afghanistan than any other country in the Middle.
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Speaker 5: East by far, not even close.
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Speaker 3: And we just gave them money that they can do,
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Speaker 3: in their words, whatever they want to do with it,
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Speaker 3: six billion dollars.
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Speaker 1: Is there any way that Congress can stop this or
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Speaker 1: is this a straight up executive decision and that's it.
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm gonna fight for Congress to stop it. But
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Speaker 5: let's be clear, Chuck Schumer and the Democrats will stand
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Speaker 5: with Biden and stand with Iran against America and against
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Speaker 5: our Israeli allies.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep trying to get answers to these questions, obviously,
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Speaker 1: and we'll keep you up there. I do want to
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Speaker 1: deal with, obviously, the massive story of the day that
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Speaker 1: is taking in the headlines, and that's exactly when we
17:06
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure you knew what was going on
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Speaker 1: with the RAN, and that is with impeachment.
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Speaker 3: We are moving forward with impeachment.
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Speaker 1: The House side, Kevin McCarthy has come out announcing that
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Speaker 1: this podcast started with the first impeachment. Did you ever
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Speaker 1: imagine center that we would be sitting here on this
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Speaker 1: podcast now looking like we're going into a third impeachment
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Speaker 1: when you started this show originally.
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Speaker 5: It really is hard to believe. It's not impeachment number one,
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Speaker 5: it's not impeachment number two. It's impeachment number three of
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Speaker 5: the president, mind you, not not even impeachment of Alejandro
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Speaker 5: majorcas non impeachment of Merrick Garland. It is the House
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Speaker 5: has formally opened its impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden. And
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Speaker 5: what I want to do in this podcast is really
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Speaker 5: do a deep dive into what that means and where
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Speaker 5: things stand, because it's a big deal. This announcement is
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Speaker 5: a big, big deal. It is consequential, and it's important
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Speaker 5: listeners to verdict. You know already the details of what's happening,
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Speaker 5: but it's worth breaking down the arguments so that you
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Speaker 5: understand it because I guarantee you tomorrow at work, tomorrow
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Speaker 5: at school, people are going to be asking about it.
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Speaker 5: Family members are gonna be asking about it, and you're
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Speaker 5: gonna want to know.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 5: One of the best ways to assess just the magnitude
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Speaker 5: the mountain of evidence that has come out, and listen,
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Speaker 5: I've been calling for the House to open impeachment inquiries
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Speaker 5: for months. I think the evidence long ago cleared that threshold.
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Speaker 5: But they've finally done it. It's worth reviewing the bidding.
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Speaker 5: In terms of Joe Biden's explanations, explanation number one that
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Speaker 5: he made on the campaign trail repeatedly that he made
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Speaker 5: his president repeatedly, is he said he had never discussed,
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Speaker 5: not even once discussed with unter Biden's overseas business dealings.
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Speaker 5: That was explanation number one. There was a minor problem.
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Speaker 5: It was a flat out, bald face lie and it
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Speaker 5: was demonstrably disproven on including by Devin Archer. Saying some
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Speaker 5: twenty times Joe would call in to talk to Hunter's
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Speaker 5: overseas business partners. So then explanation number two was Joe
19:14
Speaker 5: Biden was not in business with his son Hunter in
19:19
Speaker 5: his corrupt overseas deals. Now that's very different from I
19:23
Speaker 5: never discussed it, but they realized they couldn't defend that,
19:25
Speaker 5: so it wasn't in business. So they've run away from
19:27
Speaker 5: non in business anymore. That's no longer defensible because it's
19:30
Speaker 5: clear the entire business was selling favors from Daddy. So
19:38
Speaker 5: talking point number three, which you're seeing multiple Democrats use
19:41
Speaker 5: word for word, you're seeing the media use word for word,
19:44
Speaker 5: is there is no direct evidence of Joe Biden's involvement
19:51
Speaker 5: of Joe Biden's corruption. Now at the outset that throws
19:56
Speaker 5: Hunter overboard. I think the Democrats have realized, all right,
19:59
Speaker 5: Hunter is crooked as the day is long. We can't
20:01
Speaker 5: defend this guy, so Hunter to heck with him. But
20:05
Speaker 5: there's no direct evidence of Joe. I want to break
20:09
Speaker 5: that down because that is false and it's a lie,
20:12
Speaker 5: and it's every bit as false as Biden never discussed
20:17
Speaker 5: it or wasn't in business with it. But let's take
20:19
Speaker 5: the no direct evidence and explain why it's wrong. Let
20:24
Speaker 5: me start by explaining what direct evidence is. So that's
20:27
Speaker 5: the kind of lawyer word that you see people use that.
20:30
Speaker 5: If you're not a lawyer, you're like, well, what does
20:32
Speaker 5: that even mean?
20:33
Speaker 3: Right?
20:33
Speaker 5: So, in a court of law, there are two types
20:36
Speaker 5: of evidence that are typically relied on to prove a
20:39
Speaker 5: factual matter. Number one is direct evidence. Number two is
20:43
Speaker 5: circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence is evidence that goes directly to
20:50
Speaker 5: a factual matter in dispute. Circumstantial evidence is based on
20:58
Speaker 5: the circumstances you can draw inference that leads to the
21:02
Speaker 5: factual matter in dispute. All right, what does that mean?
21:04
Speaker 5: Let me give you an example. If you go to bed
21:07
Speaker 5: tonight and you look out the window and the street
21:11
Speaker 5: is dry and clean, and you wake up in the
21:14
Speaker 5: morning and you look out the window and the street
21:16
Speaker 5: is covered in snow, that is circumstantial evidence that it
21:21
Speaker 5: snowed last night. It's pretty damn good circumstantial evidence. Yeah,
21:27
Speaker 5: there's snow, but you were drawing the inference from seeing
21:31
Speaker 5: the snow on the ground that it snowed last night. Now,
21:34
Speaker 5: if you bring in a witness who stayed up all night,
21:37
Speaker 5: who said ben I saw it snow last night. That
21:42
Speaker 5: would be direct evidence. The most common type of direct
21:44
Speaker 5: evidence is eyewitness testimony saying I saw this happen. Now,
21:50
Speaker 5: one of the lies right at the heart of the
21:53
Speaker 5: no direct evidence is so what, it's not true. But
21:58
Speaker 5: before I get to not true, so what, people are
22:01
Speaker 5: literally convicted of crimes every day based on circumstantial evidence.
22:07
Speaker 5: They are sentenced to jail every day based on circumstantial evidence.
22:13
Speaker 5: So the modifier direct is how they're getting around the
22:19
Speaker 5: mountain of evidence we've got. But I want to tell
22:22
Speaker 5: you how the statement there is no direct evidence is
22:25
Speaker 5: a lie. And anytime a Democrat says at anytime the
22:28
Speaker 5: media says it, you know they're lying. So, as I mentioned,
22:32
Speaker 5: there at least two significant pieces of direct evidence of
22:36
Speaker 5: Joe Biden's involvement and corruption. Piece number one, the heart
22:42
Speaker 5: of the allegations against Joe Biden is bribery that he
22:47
Speaker 5: solicited and received bribes from foreign olagarchs. You'll recall, and
22:54
Speaker 5: we've talked about this before on verdict that the essence
22:57
Speaker 5: of bribery is quid pro quo Latin for this, for that,
23:02
Speaker 5: and for bribery, you need to show the official action
23:06
Speaker 5: that was taken. That's the quote, the money or thing
23:11
Speaker 5: of value that was given, that's the quid, and that
23:15
Speaker 5: the two were connected, that's the that's the pro well.
23:20
Speaker 5: One of those elements the official action is conclusively proven
23:26
Speaker 5: by Joe Biden in his on camera admission to the
23:30
Speaker 5: Council of Foreign Relations, where he described how he flew
23:33
Speaker 5: to Ukraine, he held a billion dollars of federal tax,
23:39
Speaker 5: federal loan guarantees hostage and demanded that the Ukrainian government
23:44
Speaker 5: fire Victor Choken, who was the prosecutor who was prosecuting
23:48
Speaker 5: the Ukrainian oligarch, and Joe Biden, as we all know,
23:52
Speaker 5: as we played on this show many times, says, son
23:55
Speaker 5: of a bitch, they fired him.
23:57
Speaker 1: And he was critic by the way, because he was
23:59
Speaker 1: like he was so prideful, and it was the arrogance
24:01
Speaker 1: of that moment. It was like, couldn't help himself. It
24:03
Speaker 1: was like, this is how powerful I was. I could
24:06
Speaker 1: go over to Ukraine and tell them who to fire,
24:09
Speaker 1: and I could own them while it was happening. And
24:12
Speaker 1: if you watch that video, when I see it, it
24:15
Speaker 1: actually makes me angry because it was a glimpse into
24:19
Speaker 1: the abuse of power that Joe Biden was willing to
24:23
Speaker 1: wield around the world on a litany probably of issues.
24:26
Speaker 1: And now we know why he was doing it. It
24:28
Speaker 1: was for the money and for the Biden crime family.
24:31
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. But of the elements of bribery, Joe
24:38
Speaker 5: Biden's confession on tape is direct evidence that he committed
24:44
Speaker 5: one of the critical elements of bribery. Now we don't
24:46
Speaker 5: yet have direct evidence of every element of the crime,
24:49
Speaker 5: but we have direct evidence of one of the most critical,
24:52
Speaker 5: critical aspects of the crime, which is the quo that
24:56
Speaker 5: Joe Biden has admitted. And that is unequivocally direct evidence,
25:00
Speaker 5: and it's pretty damn compelling direct evidence. There's a second,
25:05
Speaker 5: very clear instance of direct evidence, and that is Hunter
25:09
Speaker 5: Biden's what's app message to the Chinese communist official and
25:14
Speaker 5: I want to read it to you again, Hunter Biden
25:16
Speaker 5: texted quote. I am sitting here with my father and
25:22
Speaker 5: we would like to understand why the commitment made has
25:26
Speaker 5: not been fulfilled. Tell the director, I would like to
25:30
Speaker 5: resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and
25:35
Speaker 5: now means tonight and Z if I get a call
25:40
Speaker 5: or a text from anyone involved in this other than
25:42
Speaker 5: you Zang or the chairman. I will make certain that
25:46
Speaker 5: between the man sitting next to me and every person
25:50
Speaker 5: he knows, and my ability to forever hold a grudge,
25:55
Speaker 5: that you will regret not following my direction. I am
25:59
Speaker 5: sitting here way for the call with my father not
26:03
Speaker 5: to shake down. Now that is direct evidence. That is
26:07
Speaker 5: a written text sent by Hunter Biden. That is direct
26:12
Speaker 5: evidence that he and his father are shaking down a
26:16
Speaker 5: Chinese communist official. It's not circumstantial. It is direct evidence. Now,
26:23
Speaker 5: it is possible that direct evidence is false, just as
26:27
Speaker 5: if if Hunter Biden came into court and testified my
26:31
Speaker 5: father and I shook down a Chinese Communist official. He
26:34
Speaker 5: could be lying.
26:35
Speaker 3: Yeah he could, yeah, but I doubt it.
26:37
Speaker 5: You can teach his credibility. You could say he's lying.
26:40
Speaker 5: But it is direct evidence. Direct evidence doesn't necessarily mean
26:44
Speaker 5: that it is true. Sometimes direct evidence is false. But
26:48
Speaker 5: that's not only direct evidence. It's pretty damn compelling direct evidence.
26:52
Speaker 5: So I promise you in the next week you will
26:56
Speaker 5: see multiple Democrats and multiple yabbering uppets and the corporate
27:01
Speaker 5: media say there's no direct evidence. You know, there's no
27:03
Speaker 5: direct evidence. The APLS say, the allegations of corruption against
27:07
Speaker 5: Joe Biden, of which there is no direct evidence, and
27:09
Speaker 5: they'll state it as a fact, and it is a
27:11
Speaker 5: lie every time they say it. They're lying because those
27:15
Speaker 5: two are serious pieces of direct evidence.
27:20
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about not only that, but let's
27:22
Speaker 1: connect this to the suspicious activity reports. Is this the
27:25
Speaker 1: type of stuff that will come out in impeachment when
27:28
Speaker 1: they go through it as saying, hey, we can connect
27:30
Speaker 1: the quid pro quote, we can connect these these audio recordings,
27:34
Speaker 1: We can connect the president's words to these financial bank
27:37
Speaker 1: records and all of the bank records that James Comert
27:39
Speaker 1: on this show. If you missed a podcast we did
27:41
Speaker 1: with them, go back and listen to it. Jim Jordan,
27:43
Speaker 1: the same thing. They have so much evidence with the
27:47
Speaker 1: suspicious activity reports and the cash going to the Biden crime
27:50
Speaker 1: family members, right, we know direct payments, we're going to
27:54
Speaker 1: multiple Biden family members. Is that where this could be
27:58
Speaker 1: so damning to this president could put his presidency at risk?
28:02
Speaker 5: Absolutely?
28:02
Speaker 3: Yes.
28:03
Speaker 5: And let me underscore if you didn't listen to our
28:05
Speaker 5: two part series with James Comer, you ought to go
28:08
Speaker 5: back and listen to it because we walk through at length. Now,
28:10
Speaker 5: everything you just listed is circumstantial evidence. And I want
28:13
Speaker 5: to take a minute because there's a ton of circumstantial
28:15
Speaker 5: evidence and all of the smarmy people on TV who
28:19
Speaker 5: are saying no direct evidence, they're pretending like direct evidence
28:22
Speaker 5: is the only kind of evidence that exists. So, Ben,
28:25
Speaker 5: if there's a dead body and with multiple gunshot wounds.
28:33
Speaker 1: And I love that, I'm always the bad guy in
28:35
Speaker 1: these scenarios. If you noticed this, like everybody, I'm always
28:37
Speaker 1: the bad guy here, I'm ready for it.
28:38
Speaker 5: Keep going next to the dead body. It appears that
28:42
Speaker 5: the dead man with his bloody finger scrawled in the ground,
28:47
Speaker 5: Ferguson did it?
28:48
Speaker 3: Did it? Ferguson did it?
28:50
Speaker 5: Now that's not actually direct evidence. And let's say furthermore
28:56
Speaker 5: that you're found at home covered in the man's blood,
29:01
Speaker 5: with gunpowder covering your body and the murder weapon at
29:06
Speaker 5: your feet.
29:07
Speaker 3: Okay, none of.
29:08
Speaker 5: That is direct evidence either, And you know what, You're
29:10
Speaker 5: going away for the rest of your life. I don't
29:12
Speaker 5: need any more evidence.
29:13
Speaker 3: Yea that evidence bye bye.
29:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
29:16
Speaker 5: Circumstantial evidence convicts people every single day. So what does
29:20
Speaker 5: the circumstantial evidence look with James Comber He walked through
29:24
Speaker 5: the suspicious activity reports over and over and over again.
29:28
Speaker 5: The massive number of suspicious activity reports, the more than
29:32
Speaker 5: twenty shell companies. That is circumstantial evidence. As we talked
29:36
Speaker 5: through with James Comer, you don't create shell companies unless
29:40
Speaker 5: it is to hide the source of cash. That is serious,
29:42
Speaker 5: circumstantial evidence. The allegations in the FD ten twenty three
29:48
Speaker 5: from a confidential human source that the FBI had previously
29:51
Speaker 5: found reliable who says that the Ukrainian oligarch told him
29:57
Speaker 5: that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden demanded five million each
30:00
Speaker 5: in order for Joe to get the prosecutor fired. Now
30:05
Speaker 5: that's not direct evidence because the confidential human source doesn't
30:08
Speaker 5: know it directly. He's repeating what he says that that
30:13
Speaker 5: that the oligarch said, so that that is hearsay. But
30:15
Speaker 5: it is circumstantial evidence and is significant. The twenty plus
30:20
Speaker 5: million dollars that the House of Representatives is already documented
30:24
Speaker 5: that flowed into the Biden family to people, by the way,
30:28
Speaker 5: who by all appearances, have no connection to foreign countries.
30:31
Speaker 3: It's just like, hey, I need your bank account and
30:33
Speaker 3: here's some money, and it's it's it's it must be nice.
30:37
Speaker 3: That's gotta be a fun day. Like we haven't talked
30:39
Speaker 3: about that enough.
30:40
Speaker 1: Center the fact that you could just have the last
30:42
Speaker 1: name Biden and you and randomly you get like a
30:44
Speaker 1: text from Hunter right or from Joe it's like, hey,
30:46
Speaker 1: I need your bank count if I'm gonna send you
30:48
Speaker 1: over one hundred thousand bucks, Like, that's gotta be kind
30:51
Speaker 1: of cool if you're in that situation where it's just like, hey,
30:55
Speaker 1: I'm Abiden. Now every once in a while, this money
30:57
Speaker 1: just randomly shows up in my bank account with A
31:00
Speaker 1: and them LLC, because that's what they've been doing for years,
31:02
Speaker 1: if not decades.
31:03
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, although it may not be all that cool
31:06
Speaker 5: because remember Hunter Biden, in a twenty nineteen text to
31:09
Speaker 5: his daughter, complains about how his father, Joe Biden, made
31:12
Speaker 5: him give him quote half his.
31:14
Speaker 3: Salary, yeah, half everything.
31:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, this is that that. Likewise, all of this
31:23
Speaker 5: piles to a mountain of evidence, both direct and circumstantial,
31:28
Speaker 5: and that mountain of evidence is serious. But there's something else,
31:34
Speaker 5: which is the cover up. So let's go back to
31:37
Speaker 5: this hypothetical of the guy you whacked and I don't
31:39
Speaker 5: know why.
31:39
Speaker 3: You killed him. I'm not sure but I'm sure he
31:43
Speaker 3: was a nice guy.
31:44
Speaker 1: But we should at the end of the year just
31:46
Speaker 1: come up with all the possible crimes as examples that
31:49
Speaker 1: I have committed in my and the last year on verdict,
31:52
Speaker 1: you just turn it into a best steff keep going.
31:54
Speaker 5: So if you're caught on film driving out on.
31:58
Speaker 1: A bridge fund now and flinging the gun over the bridge,
32:04
Speaker 1: over the bridge into the water.
32:05
Speaker 5: Now, look, that doesn't prove if the gun has never
32:08
Speaker 5: recovered that it's the murder weapon. But if it's the
32:12
Speaker 5: night of the murder, yeah, and you're doing it really urgently,
32:17
Speaker 5: it's pretty strong circumstantial evidence that you are hiding evidence
32:23
Speaker 5: that that that demonstrates your guilt. And in fact, you
32:27
Speaker 5: will see at a court of law, if a defendant
32:30
Speaker 5: destroys evidence h a court can instruct the jury to
32:35
Speaker 5: draw a negative inference that that evidence would would have
32:39
Speaker 5: demonstrated would have been bad for them. In this instance,
32:45
Speaker 5: we know that Joe Biden had multiple burner phones. We
32:49
Speaker 5: know that he had multiple fake emails, up to five
32:52
Speaker 5: thy four hundred of them in the National Archives. We
32:55
Speaker 5: know that he emailed Hunter Biden. We know that he
32:58
Speaker 5: emailed Hunter Biden about you and we know also that
33:02
Speaker 5: two senior IRS career employees have come forward as whistleblowers
33:07
Speaker 5: and have said the Biden administration engage number one in
33:11
Speaker 5: line to Congress under oath of felony yep, and number
33:14
Speaker 5: two in multiple instances of obstruction of justice. And in particular,
33:18
Speaker 5: it's worth focusing on what was the obstruction of justice.
33:21
Speaker 5: Let's go back to the WhatsApp to the message that
33:23
Speaker 5: Hunter said. The IRS whistleblowers said they wanted to examine
33:28
Speaker 5: GPS data to determine, well, when Hunter sent that text,
33:33
Speaker 5: was Daddy sitting next to him? There's an answer, it's
33:36
Speaker 5: either yes or no. If it's yes, that is not
33:41
Speaker 5: direct evidence that Hunter was telling the truth, but it's
33:45
Speaker 5: pretty strong circumstantial evidence. And according to the IRS whistleblowers,
33:51
Speaker 5: the Biden DOJ said no, no, no, no, no, you
33:54
Speaker 5: cannot examine the GPS locations. They likewise said no, you
33:58
Speaker 5: cannot ask anything about Joe. The fact that the Biden
34:01
Speaker 5: Department of Justice is willing to commit felonies allegedly, according
34:06
Speaker 5: to the whistleblowers, yeah, in order to prevent investigation into
34:11
Speaker 5: Joe's involvement, is powerful evidence of Joe's significant involvement, because
34:22
Speaker 5: just like throwing the gun off the bridge, you don't
34:24
Speaker 5: do it if you didn't do anything wrong.
34:26
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this question about this
34:27
Speaker 1: impeachment compared to the Trump impeachment, the first impeachment, and
34:32
Speaker 1: if you were the lawyer for Trump, then it was
34:35
Speaker 1: more about defending yourself. A friend of mine, Jay Sekulo,
34:39
Speaker 1: as you know, helped with that first impeachment, defended the president.
34:42
Speaker 1: It was more about a vigorous defense of the absurdity
34:45
Speaker 1: of what they were charging Donald Trump with. This is
34:49
Speaker 1: obviously completely different than that. This is a one point
34:52
Speaker 1: eighty from that. We knew that Russian collision was crap.
34:56
Speaker 1: They knew it was crap, they knew how to defend it,
34:58
Speaker 1: and they defended him. I think pretty well this impeachment.
35:01
Speaker 1: If you were defending Joe Biden from a legal standpoint,
35:06
Speaker 1: what are your biggest concerns if you're having to meet
35:08
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden, and what are your biggest concerns for
35:12
Speaker 1: his presidency If you're meeting with Joe Biden from a
35:15
Speaker 1: legal standpoint, that could come out in this impeachment that
35:18
Speaker 1: maybe has never been you know, has come out either
35:21
Speaker 1: a before you haven't had to at least answer questions.
35:23
Speaker 5: For your biggest concern is all the evidence against you,
35:29
Speaker 5: the direct evidence, the evidence that you've basically admitted to
35:33
Speaker 5: one of the elements of bribery. The evidence the text
35:38
Speaker 5: message that your son has been caught shaking down Chinese
35:42
Speaker 5: communist officials for millions of dollars and explicitly threatening that
35:47
Speaker 5: you're the one who would engage in retaliation. That has
35:49
Speaker 5: tied you into it. That direct evidence is certainly troubling,
35:53
Speaker 5: but all the circumstantial evidence would would trouble you as well.
35:59
Speaker 5: And look, here's what the Biden White House is going
36:01
Speaker 5: to do. They're going to count on the corporate media
36:05
Speaker 5: to ignore that. They're going to count on the corporate
36:07
Speaker 5: media to echo their talking points.
36:09
Speaker 3: And not cover it like they did the Trump impeachment.
36:11
Speaker 5: It's to completely ignore it and refuse to address the facts.
36:17
Speaker 5: And every day you will see a night and day
36:21
Speaker 5: difference not just between the Joe Biden impeachment and the
36:23
Speaker 5: Trump impeachments, but between the Joe Biden impeachment and the
36:28
Speaker 5: ridiculous Trump indictments. There is a world of difference, and
36:32
Speaker 5: we've discussed at great length on this podcast. The Trump indictments,
36:35
Speaker 5: which are political and partisan. In this instance, the evidence
36:40
Speaker 5: of actual bribery by the President of the United States
36:44
Speaker 5: is serious and severe, and there's not a single Democrat
36:48
Speaker 5: who is willing to address the merits. They're counting on
36:53
Speaker 5: the press just to take their blanket dismissals.
36:56
Speaker 1: Are there people that can now be called that may
36:59
Speaker 1: have to add serve for their involvement, whether it's those
37:02
Speaker 1: the DOJ, whether it's Hunter Biden, whether it's other Biden
37:05
Speaker 1: family members. Walk us through how impeachment works when it
37:09
Speaker 1: comes to witnesses well.
37:10
Speaker 5: Merrick Garland is expected to testify before the House Judiciary
37:14
Speaker 5: Committee in the coming days, and he will certainly face
37:16
Speaker 5: significant questions about the allegations that he personally lied under
37:20
Speaker 5: oath and committed a felony. Now, I assume he'll dodge
37:23
Speaker 5: all of them and defiantly and arrogantly refuse to engage
37:28
Speaker 5: in the substance. I also assume he will get questions
37:31
Speaker 5: about the allegations of obstruction of justice, and I expect
37:34
Speaker 5: Merrick Garland to not be remotely forthcoming. I think at
37:40
Speaker 5: some point you will see David Weiss called before Congress
37:43
Speaker 5: to testify. David Weiss has been directly implicated in the
37:46
Speaker 5: obstruction of justice, which is I believe why Merrick Garland
37:49
Speaker 5: named him the quote special counsel, because Garland and the
37:52
Speaker 5: Biden DOJ knew they could count on Weiss to protect
37:55
Speaker 5: the big guy, and that's their most important objective. We've
37:59
Speaker 5: talked about how Swearin, who was the kind of money
38:02
Speaker 5: guy and fixer for Biden, is a very likely witness
38:06
Speaker 5: and could be a very damning witness, and I would
38:08
Speaker 5: anticipate UH seeing him come and then we may well.
38:12
Speaker 5: I assume Hunter Biden, if he's called to testify will
38:16
Speaker 5: Stonewall at this point the legal.
38:19
Speaker 1: What does that look like when you say Stonewall, is
38:22
Speaker 1: it a tactic or are you saying he just won't
38:23
Speaker 1: answer questions?
38:25
Speaker 5: My assumption is will plead the fifth.
38:26
Speaker 3: Okay, So he just come in and say I plead
38:28
Speaker 3: the fifth and that's the end of it.
38:29
Speaker 5: I assume that's the case, given the multiple felonies, UH
38:34
Speaker 5: and and the fact that that he even Dad's white
38:38
Speaker 5: house seems to be running away from him. I would
38:42
Speaker 5: be shocked if Hunter Biden said anything else other than
38:45
Speaker 5: on the advice of counsel, I plead the fifth. I
38:48
Speaker 5: will say one other thing, which is this Biden impeachment
38:52
Speaker 5: is demonstrating the utter and complete hypocrisy of Congressional Democrats.
38:58
Speaker 5: Let me read what what Chuck Schumer said this week,
39:01
Speaker 5: right after the House announced it's impeachment. Schumer said, quote,
39:06
Speaker 5: I think the impeachment inquiry is absurd. The American people
39:09
Speaker 5: want us to do something that will make their lives better,
39:12
Speaker 5: not go off on these chases witch hunts. So Schumer
39:18
Speaker 5: is literally using Trump's language about witch hunts and just
39:24
Speaker 5: repeating word for word what the defense was. Now, look,
39:28
Speaker 5: I think the Biden impeachments of Trump were witch hunts. Ironically,
39:32
Speaker 5: this is not. This is serious evidence that Congress would
39:35
Speaker 5: be derelict if it didn't investigate. Here, by the way,
39:39
Speaker 5: is a quote from from Democrat Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut.
39:42
Speaker 3: Quote.
39:44
Speaker 5: This is what banana dictatorships do is arrest political opponents
39:49
Speaker 5: without any evidence. Now that's screamingly funny. Yeah, given that
39:56
Speaker 5: the Democrats have arrested their political opponent like a banana republic.
40:01
Speaker 3: Yeah.
40:02
Speaker 5: But part of the reasons Democrats can be such total
40:07
Speaker 5: hypocrites is they know the corporate media will never call
40:10
Speaker 5: them out. On it that the corporate media will nod
40:12
Speaker 5: and say yes, yes, but out of republic terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible,
40:16
Speaker 5: no direct evidence, no direct evidence. And if you take
40:19
Speaker 5: nothing else from this podcast today, remember every time they
40:22
Speaker 5: say the words no direct evidence.
40:26
Speaker 3: They're lying one other thing about this.
40:28
Speaker 1: And this is where people say, Okay, we have this thing,
40:33
Speaker 1: it happens.
40:34
Speaker 3: Let's say it is a big deal.
40:35
Speaker 1: Let's say there are some some some you know minds
40:38
Speaker 1: that the Democrats step on, the White House steps on.
40:41
Speaker 1: We still don't have the votes and the Senate to
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Speaker 1: do anything about it. Right, That's what they're gonna That's
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Speaker 1: what people that are cynical and frustrated are going to
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Speaker 1: say about this.
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Speaker 3: So how should we be looking at this impeachment? Is this? Should? Should? Should? Should?
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Speaker 1: People that are listening look at it from a standpoint of, Hey,
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Speaker 1: we're getting the truth out there and a very big
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Speaker 1: way about Joe Biden before he's running for reelection, and
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Speaker 1: that can be extremely powerful and in other words, judgment
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Speaker 1: day may be election day. Or should we look at
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Speaker 1: it and be frustrated cynical because like, well, even if
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Speaker 1: we nail this thing in the House, it ain't going
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Speaker 1: to pass the Senate. So he's not going to be
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Speaker 1: impeached and lose his job over this? What mindset?
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Speaker 3: What hat should listeners put on?
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Speaker 5: So a little bit of both, Listen, the cynicism is
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Speaker 5: not misplaced. Senate Democrats and House Democrats do not care
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Speaker 5: what evidence there is of Joe Biden being corruptive as
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Speaker 5: soliciting and receiving bribes from falling foign oligarchs. They don't care.
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Speaker 5: Partisan politics trumps everything. To use my hypothetical, if the
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Speaker 5: dead guy had scrawled in blood Ferguson did it with
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Speaker 5: Joe Biden. Yeah, and Joe Biden walked out covered in
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Speaker 5: his blood, Democrats would be like nothing to see here.
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Speaker 3: Remind people what the makeup of the Senate right now.
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Speaker 5: The makeup of the Senate is fifty one Democrats, forty
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Speaker 5: nine republic.
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Speaker 1: All right, we've heard about some of you maybe becoming independent.
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Speaker 1: We've heard, you know, wishy washy things about Joe Manchin,
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Speaker 1: for example. Is there any scenario where the evidence could
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Speaker 1: be so damning on the House side that you could
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Speaker 1: you could flip two different people's people in the Senate.
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Speaker 5: It wouldn't matter if you flip two because you need
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Speaker 5: two thirds you need sixty seven. There you go, and
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Speaker 5: right now we have zero. Right now we have zero
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Speaker 5: Democrats who, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not
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Speaker 5: aware of a single Democrat who's even asked a skeptical
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Speaker 5: question who has even said, well, you know, if Biden did,
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Speaker 5: in fact solicit and receive bribes from foreign nationals, that
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Speaker 5: would be a problem. No Democrat has even said that.
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Speaker 5: And you contrast this to Richard Nixon. Listen, the reason
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Speaker 5: Richard Nixon resigned in disgrace is Republicans turned on him.
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Speaker 5: They turned on him when the evidence got over.
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Speaker 3: And I don't.
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Speaker 5: Believe Democrats would ever, ever, ever turn on Biden because
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Speaker 5: partisanship matters more than anything. But be that as it may,
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Speaker 5: that does not mean that impeachment is a waste of time,
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Speaker 5: because it is the only way to put these facts
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Speaker 5: before the American people. In a sane and normal world,
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Speaker 5: the Department of Justice would investigate and prosecute him. We'd
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Speaker 5: get a special counsel who was independent, who was consistent
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Speaker 5: with the DOJ rules, was not an employee of DJ,
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Speaker 5: and actually would investigate in conveni grand jury and potentially
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Speaker 5: prosecute these crimes. The Biden doj won't do that because
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Speaker 5: it's the most partisan and political DJ we've ever seen.
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Speaker 5: But putting these facts before the American people is valuable, nonetheless.
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Speaker 5: But to be clear, a critical part of that is
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Speaker 5: what we're doing right now on Verdict, which is the
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Speaker 5: million people who listen to Verdict. All of y'all now
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Speaker 5: have the information. When you go and you're talking to
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Speaker 5: your brother in law, you're talking to your coworker, you're
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Speaker 5: talking to your classmate, and they say, well, you know
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Speaker 5: there's no direct evidence because that's the talking point they've heard.
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Speaker 5: You now know how to refute that, and that is powerful.
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Speaker 5: That has a multiplier effect, and it's how I believe,
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Speaker 5: ultimately you force accountability.
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Speaker 1: Last question on this, and that is the politics of
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Speaker 1: overplaying your hand. I said on my podcast today, I
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Speaker 1: always worry because you've noticed this in the polls. Biden
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Speaker 1: poll numbers right now are not good, and the media
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Speaker 1: seems to be telling more of the truth about how
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Speaker 1: bad the poll numbers are. And the majority of Americans
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Speaker 1: now say they do believe that Joe Biden was corrupt
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Speaker 1: in some manner with his son in the business dealings.
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Speaker 1: That's significant. CNN even came out PBS on Sunday. They
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Speaker 1: even had one of their commentators and said, I underestimated
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's involvement with Hunter Biden and the Biden family businesses.
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Speaker 1: Is there a concern that if the Republicans play this
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Speaker 1: too strong and don't take their time toly at the
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Speaker 1: evidence of this could backfire in the same way. And
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Speaker 1: again I'm asking from a political standpoint that every time
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Speaker 1: the Democrats indict Donald Trump, what happens, Republicans stand behind
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump even more, they they send him money, they
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Speaker 1: support him, his poll numbers go up. Is there a
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Speaker 1: concern that if Republicans don't nail this the right way,
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Speaker 1: that this actually galvanizes people that maybe are wishy washy
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Speaker 1: on Biden and then it actually helps him stand up
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Speaker 1: better than he is right now.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look that that is conceivable. And there's no doubt
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Speaker 5: that the multiple indictments against Trump have added a lot
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Speaker 5: of points, at least ten points to his numbers in
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Speaker 5: the primary because Republicans have understandably gotten pissed off that
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Speaker 5: it's obviously a political persecution. So that counsels that the Republicans,
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Speaker 5: the Republicans in the House, need to proceed carefully. They
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Speaker 5: need to be facts based, they need to be evidence based.
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Speaker 5: They need to not have it appear political. Now in
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Speaker 5: today's world, there will be people who naturally assume it's political.
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Speaker 5: But but that that is certainly a vulnerability to be
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Speaker 5: aware of. Another vulnerability is at some point the Democrats
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Speaker 5: and or the media might decide that Joe Biden is
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Speaker 5: too wounded and jettison him and try to perish someone
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Speaker 5: else in I think that remains a very real risk.
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Speaker 5: We're going to talk about that a lot more on
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Speaker 5: the podcast, but not on this one.
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