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Justice Corrupted: FBI STILL Refuses to Take Accountability for Politicization · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome. It is verdict or Senator Ted Cruz ben Ferguson
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  Speaker 1: with you. Senator. It was a lot of headlines that
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  Speaker 1: kind of came out of nowhere from the FBI Director
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  Speaker 1: Ray and he had a lot to say in the
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  Speaker 1: sit down interview with Brett bear Over at Fox News.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to get your reaction first off, to
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  Speaker 1: the FBI Director's inability to answer a very straightforward question
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  Speaker 1: about January the sixth and possible FBI informants here is
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  Speaker 1: what he was asked and his lack of response, well
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  Speaker 1: confidence in them and the other Twitter question we get
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  Speaker 1: a lot is did the FBI have undercover agents or
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  Speaker 1: paid informants or assets among the mob that stormed the
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  Speaker 1: capital on January sets Well, as I'm sure you can appreciate, Brett,
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  Speaker 1: I can't really appropriately talk about when, where, and how
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  Speaker 1: we use confidential informants. Is it classified? Well, we have
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  Speaker 1: information that is about any number of topics that is
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement sensitive. But you should not read into my
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  Speaker 1: inability to answer a question because of my obligations as
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  Speaker 1: that as a clue or a hint in any way
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  Speaker 1: about how accurate your reader's tweet this I mean, Senator,
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  Speaker 1: that's not a very good answer for a lot of Americans,
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  Speaker 1: that one answers. We are getting a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: footage it's going to come out of January sixth. Speak
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  Speaker 1: of the House. Kevin McCarthy's talked about being transparent. He
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  Speaker 1: believes it was politicized January sixth. Of January sixth committee
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  Speaker 1: was politicized. Are you satisfied with Director Ray's response? Absolutely? Not.
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  Speaker 1: That was a ridiculous answer. And listen, there is a
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  Speaker 1: fundamental problem at the FBI and at the Department of Justice.
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  Speaker 1: It's something that we've talked about a lot on this podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which is that DOJ and the FBI have been profoundly politicized.
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  Speaker 1: The last book I wrote, Justice Corrupted, How the Left
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  Speaker 1: is weaponized legal system. And by the way, I would
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  Speaker 1: encourage folks go buy that book, I detail how first
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  Speaker 1: Barack Obama and now Joe Biden have turned dj and
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  Speaker 1: the FBI into partisan tools they used to attack their enemies.
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  Speaker 1: On January sixth, in particular, there are enormous questions about
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  Speaker 1: the responsibility, the culpability of the FBI and the DOJ.
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  Speaker 1: What did they know, what was their involvement? And listen,
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  Speaker 1: let me say something about Chris Ray. So I've known
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  Speaker 1: Chris Ray a long long time when I came out
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  Speaker 1: of law school. I graduated law school in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 1: five and the first judge I clerked for was a
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  Speaker 1: judge named Jay Michael Ludig. He was at the time
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  Speaker 1: the top conservative federal appellate judge of the country. Judge
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  Speaker 1: Ludig and I were very, very close. He was like
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  Speaker 1: a second father to me. Judge Ludig was a very
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  Speaker 1: young judge. He was forty one years old. He had
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  Speaker 1: been on the Federal Court of Appeals for five years.
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  Speaker 1: He was appointed by George Herbert Walker Bush at age
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  Speaker 1: thirty six, so he was the youngest federal appellate judge
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  Speaker 1: in the country. Judge Ludig had been Antonin Scalia's very
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  Speaker 1: first law clerk the first year Antonin Scalia was on
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  Speaker 1: the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. And so Judge Ludig
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  Speaker 1: was someone who was just He was an incredible judge.
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  Speaker 1: He taught me. He was really the first person after
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  Speaker 1: law school to teach me how to be a lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: So I knew Chris Ray because Chris clerked for Judge Ludig.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was three years before I did so.
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  Speaker 1: I was the fifth year Judge Leigue was on the court.
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  Speaker 1: I believe Chris was the second year Judge Ludig was
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  Speaker 1: on the court. And I've known Chris a long time.
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  Speaker 1: Chris is a good guy. He's a very smart lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: He's a very decent man. He loves America. Chris is
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  Speaker 1: not a left wing activist. But I will tell you
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  Speaker 1: I've been incredibly disappointed with the job Chris Ray has
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  Speaker 1: done as the head of the FBI. And the reason,
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  Speaker 1: and I've had this conversation with Chris directly more than once.
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  Speaker 1: The reason is Chris is fundamentally he's a company man.
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  Speaker 1: He's someone who believes his job is defend the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: That his responsibility. He's someone who has been at DJ
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  Speaker 1: a long long time. He was the head of the
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  Speaker 1: Criminal Division under George Herbert Walker Bush. He was someone
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  Speaker 1: who was a prosecutor for a long time. And he
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  Speaker 1: believes his responsibility is whatever the career lawyers the FBI
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  Speaker 1: has done, he needs to circle the wagons and defend them.
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  Speaker 1: And I have had energetic, at he even screaming conversations
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  Speaker 1: with Chris where I've said, listen, you are not helping
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  Speaker 1: the FBI. When you are defending Democrat partisans who have
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  Speaker 1: corrupted the FBI, who have turned it into a weapon
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  Speaker 1: to advance the political interests of partisan democrats, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: help the institutions. It weakens the institution. And on this question, listen,
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  Speaker 1: it is a matter of enormous public import to know
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  Speaker 1: whether the FBI had informants in the January six riots
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  Speaker 1: and what role they played, and as a matter of accountability,
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  Speaker 1: the public interest is massive. Now Chris doesn't want to
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  Speaker 1: answer that. The FBI doesn't want to answer that because
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  Speaker 1: the obvious inference from their refusal to answer that is yes,
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  Speaker 1: they had FBI informants that participated in the And the
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  Speaker 1: question that arises from that, and this is something I
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  Speaker 1: talk about at length in the book Justice Corrupted, is
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  Speaker 1: the extent to which FBI agents or FBI confidential informants
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  Speaker 1: incited the behavior. So one of the things I talk
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  Speaker 1: about in the book is the plot in Michigan to
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  Speaker 1: kidnap and murder the governor of Michigan, Democrat Gretchen Whitwer.
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  Speaker 1: Now that broke shortly before the twenty twenty election, and
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  Speaker 1: it was the sort of story that was really fabulously
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  Speaker 1: beneficial for Democrats because Democrats message was those crazy right
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  Speaker 1: wing Republicans and especially those Trump Republicans, are a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of violent insurrectionist terrorists. They're terrible and we need to
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  Speaker 1: stop them and so, and it was a national story.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they played it up. I remember it being
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  Speaker 1: used Democrats all over the country center that were like,
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  Speaker 1: this is something to seize on to basically attack Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump on the national election, but also to say you
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  Speaker 1: don't want Trump Republicans in the House and the Senate,
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  Speaker 1: on the school board, city council. Yeah, they want to
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  Speaker 1: they want to murder you, and they want to take
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  Speaker 1: out our politicians. And look, it was designed also for
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  Speaker 1: reasonable people that like, you know, reasonable people don't want
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  Speaker 1: to advocate violent acts of murder and terror. And so
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  Speaker 1: the media and the Democrats were trying to say, if
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  Speaker 1: you support Trump and the Republicans, you're in support of
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  Speaker 1: violent acts of terror and mayhem. And with the Gretchen
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  Speaker 1: Witwer's story, when it broke, you're like, holy crap, they
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  Speaker 1: want to kidnap and murder a governor. That really sounds bad. Now.
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  Speaker 1: When DJ went to trial, what happened is that initially
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  Speaker 1: when they went to trial, every single one of the
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  Speaker 1: defendants was their acquitted or had a hung jury. They
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  Speaker 1: couldn't convict anyone in The principal defense at the trial
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  Speaker 1: was that the FBI engaged an entrapment, that that it
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  Speaker 1: essentially the FBI had placed informants among these right wing
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  Speaker 1: extremist groups. But the argument of defense council was these
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  Speaker 1: extremist groups were not particularly violent until the FBI informants
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  Speaker 1: kept saying, Hey, in the great idea to go kidnap
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  Speaker 1: and murder the governor. And they're like, oh, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: It is like no, no no, no, this is a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: This is a good idea. And the law is that
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  Speaker 1: you can be prosecuted if you plan or commit an
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  Speaker 1: act of violence. But the government can't entice you into it.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be their idea. They can't be the cause
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  Speaker 1: that causes you to go along with the corrupt plan.
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  Speaker 1: And at the trial in front of the jury's I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the Justice Department had a massive black eye because the
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  Speaker 1: defendants prevailed. And by the way, the special Agent in
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  Speaker 1: charge of the Detroit office of the FBI, who had
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  Speaker 1: this massive debacle of the prosecutions going south, on him
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  Speaker 1: because his agents had engaged in misconduct and incitement, got promoted,
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  Speaker 1: got sent to DC, and got put in charge of
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  Speaker 1: the January sixth prosecutions. You literally can't make this up.
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  Speaker 1: They took the guy who had this enormous black eye. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they said, you're the right guy to engage in
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  Speaker 1: political prosecutions. And here's what Chris Ray should say and listen.
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  Speaker 1: I hope, as I said, Chris is a friend. I
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  Speaker 1: hope Chris is listening to this podcast. I doubt he is,
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  Speaker 1: but I hope he is. Here's what Chris ought to do.
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  Speaker 1: Chris ought to say publicly. Ordinarily, the FBI does not
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  Speaker 1: reveal confidential informants, and there are strong law enforcement reasons
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  Speaker 1: to do that. When we get some guy who goes
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  Speaker 1: undercover into a drug cartel, sure you want to keep
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  Speaker 1: that guy confidentially. You don't want to out them. So
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  Speaker 1: in the ordinary course of affairs, we protect those sources.
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  Speaker 1: That being said, the public interest in knowing what happened
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  Speaker 1: on January sixth, what led to the riots, what led
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  Speaker 1: to the acts of violence, That public interest is so
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  Speaker 1: significant that we at the FBI are going to tell
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  Speaker 1: you how many agents did we have in that riot.
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  Speaker 1: How many confidential informants did we have in that riot?
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  Speaker 1: And I were based on the payroll? Yes, and what
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  Speaker 1: were their roles in inciting the violent conduct? That is
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  Speaker 1: a matter of enormous public interest, and Chris ray it
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  Speaker 1: is answered there and consistently he refuses to answer that question.
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  Speaker 1: And I think he's doing a disservice to the American
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  Speaker 1: people by protect the bureaucrats at the FBI rather than
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  Speaker 1: accepting public accountability. Yeah, there's there's a name that's become
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  Speaker 1: very famous and it is a name from January six,
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  Speaker 1: ray Epps. And I want to play something that you
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  Speaker 1: said about ray Epps when you were talking to the FBI,
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  Speaker 1: because it became senior official at the FBI that I
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  Speaker 1: was questioning about this. Yeah, and ray Epps is a
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  Speaker 1: want to play center for everybody listening. And this was
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  Speaker 1: you questioning as you mentioned a moment ago a top
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  Speaker 1: person at the FBI about Ray Epps and really about
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  Speaker 1: his disappearance from the public after he was so public
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  Speaker 1: on January the sixth. Take a listen, Miss Saburn, who
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  Speaker 1: is Ray Epps. I'm aware of the individual Sir, I
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  Speaker 1: don't have the specific background to him. Well, there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people who are understandable about mister about
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  Speaker 1: mister ramps. On the night of January fifth, twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: Epps wandered around the crowd that had gathered, and there's
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  Speaker 1: video out there of him channing tomorrow, we need to
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  Speaker 1: get into the capital, into the capital. This was strange behavior,
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  Speaker 1: so strange that the crowd began chanting fed fed, Fed, Fed,
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  Speaker 1: Fed fed. Miss Sandburn. Was Ray Apps a fed Sir?
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  Speaker 1: I cannot answer that question. The next day, the next day,
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  Speaker 1: on January six mister F's is seen whispering to a person,
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  Speaker 1: and five seconds later, five seconds after he's whispering to
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  Speaker 1: a person, that same person begins to forcibly tear down
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  Speaker 1: the barricades. Did mister Epps urge them to tear down
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  Speaker 1: the barricades, sir? Similar to the other answers, I cannot
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  Speaker 1: answer that. Shortly thereafter, the FBI put out a public
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  Speaker 1: post listing seeking information on individuals connected with violent crimes
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  Speaker 1: on January sixth. Among those individuals in the bottom there
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  Speaker 1: is mister Epps. The FBI publicly asked for information identifying
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  Speaker 1: offering cash rewards, leading information leading for information leading to
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  Speaker 1: the arrest. This was posted, and then sometime later, magically,
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  Speaker 1: mister Epps disappeared from the public posting. According to public records,
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  Speaker 1: mister Epps has not been charged with anything. No one's
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  Speaker 1: explained why a person videoed urging people to go to
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  Speaker 1: the Capitol. A person whose conduct was so suspect the
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  Speaker 1: crowd believed he was a FED would magically disappear from
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  Speaker 1: the list of people the FBI was looking at. Miss Sandburn.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of Americans are concerned that the federal government
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  Speaker 1: deliberately encouraged illegal and violent conduct on January sixth. My
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  Speaker 1: question to you, and this is not an ordinary law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement question, this is a question of a public accountability.
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  Speaker 1: Did federal agents are those in service a federal agent
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  Speaker 1: actively encourage violent and criminal conduct on January sixth? Not
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  Speaker 1: to my knowledge, sir, I mean sent This seems to
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  Speaker 1: be the new playbook of anybody in government that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to answer question. They just say it's cloudsified or
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  Speaker 1: it's an ongoing invastigation. This is exactly what Ray just
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  Speaker 1: did in a simple question was asked about informants on
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  Speaker 1: January the sixth. So Chris Ray and the FBI should
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  Speaker 1: answer these questions. We need to have accountability, we need
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  Speaker 1: to know Listen with Ray Epps. I don't know the man,
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  Speaker 1: I never met him, I don't know his background, but
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  Speaker 1: I will say you watch that video as I have,
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  Speaker 1: as many people have of him. Urging the crowd on
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  Speaker 1: January fifth, let's go into the Capitol and the crowd
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  Speaker 1: turns on him. They begin chanting fed, fed fed. That's weird, Ben,
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  Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that when the crowd is like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, why is this guy trying to urge
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  Speaker 1: us to commit a criminal act? Maybe he's a private
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  Speaker 1: individual with no connection to the FBI. If that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: it raises the question, why wasn't he charged. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we have video of him urging people to enter the capitol.
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  Speaker 1: They've charged lots of people to enter the capitol. But
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  Speaker 1: if he was on the payroll of the FBI, then
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  Speaker 1: you had the federal government. You had law enforcement encouraging
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  Speaker 1: criminal and violent acts. That's a very different scenario. And
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  Speaker 1: to date, the FBI refuses to answer how many FBI
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  Speaker 1: agents were there on January sixth, one ten, one hundred
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  Speaker 1: a thousand. I have no idea. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people figure, Okay, you're a senator, you're
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  Speaker 1: on the Judiciary Committee. The Judiciary Committee has oversight authority
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  Speaker 1: of the FBI. You know this. They briefed you on it. Nope,
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  Speaker 1: they haven't told us a damn thing. What I know
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  Speaker 1: is what Chris Ray has said in public because when
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  Speaker 1: he testifies, and by the way, today Merrick Garland, the
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  Speaker 1: Attorney General, is testifying in front of us. He's going
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  Speaker 1: to Stonewall. Because Merrick Garland has been the most political
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  Speaker 1: attorney general we've ever had. And Chris Ray, it's not
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  Speaker 1: that he's a partisan leftist, it's that he believes his
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  Speaker 1: job is defend the senior bureaucrats of the FBI. And
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you one of the amazing things
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  Speaker 1: that's happened over the last couple of years. I regularly
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  Speaker 1: get FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors who come to me,
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  Speaker 1: who contact my office and they say, we love the
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  Speaker 1: Department of Justice, we love the FBI, we believe in
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  Speaker 1: the law enforcement mission, and we are incredibly unhappy at
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  Speaker 1: the politicization of our senior leadership. It is I revere
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and the FBI. They're incredibly so
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  Speaker 1: I will tell you on the right, there are a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of people who say let's abolish the FBI. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea. The FBI does
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  Speaker 1: a lot of really important things. They fight child kidnappers,
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  Speaker 1: they fight drug dealers, they fight human traffickers, that they
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  Speaker 1: fight mobsters. I am very grateful for the law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: mission of the FBI. What I think we need to
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  Speaker 1: do is clean house at the FBI and get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the hardcore partisan Democrats who burrowed into the senior
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  Speaker 1: positions at the FBI and who've corrupted the FBI. And
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  Speaker 1: my biggest concern with Chris Ray is he's unwilling to
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  Speaker 1: do that. He's unwilling to take that on and and
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  Speaker 1: and it is he ought to engage in radical transparency.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll point to two examples. Chris Ray out to follow.
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  Speaker 1: Number one, Elon Muskwini Twitter, where he publicly made he
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  Speaker 1: exposed the internal emails of the corruption at Twitter that
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  Speaker 1: broke the big tech oligopoly on political discussion. Secondly, in
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  Speaker 1: second you look at the job John Radcliffe did at
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  Speaker 1: the DNI as the Director of National Intelligence. So John
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  Speaker 1: Radcliffe was appointed by Donald Trump. It was just a
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  Speaker 1: temporary interim appointment. I think he was there like six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't very long. But John is a text and
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  Speaker 1: he's a friend. Did an incredible job because he opened
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  Speaker 1: up and made public many of the abuses of the
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  Speaker 1: DNI and the intelligence community how they'd been politicized, and
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  Speaker 1: in six weeks he made a massive impact. My advice
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  Speaker 1: to Chris Ray follow the example of Elon Musk and
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  Speaker 1: followed the example of John Radcliffe. Prioritize the long term
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  Speaker 1: integrity of the FBI over your short term personal loyalty
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  Speaker 1: to the hardcore Democrat partisans and the senior rear positions
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  Speaker 1: to the FBI. If you want to save the institution,
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  Speaker 1: act boldly to save and strengthen and preserve the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: You know, intentioning that you mentioned that because one of
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  Speaker 1: the questions that Ray was asked by Brett Bear was
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  Speaker 1: about social media companies censoring things when it came to
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  Speaker 1: the FBI having basically conversations them, conversations with them on
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  Speaker 1: the regular, sometimes daily in the run up to the election.
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  Speaker 1: want to play this for everybody, and this is Chris
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Ray being asked about the social media companies and how
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: much pressure where they putting on these social media companies
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: that silence and sens their stories listened to this. Let's
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: start with the laptop. The FBI has had access to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: this laptop for more than three years. Why is this
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: investigation on the Hunter Biden laptop taking so long? Well,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the investigation is being led, as you may know, by
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a US attorney appointed in the last administration out of Delaware,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and the FBI is actively supporting and working with that
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: US attorney on that investigation. But the whistleblowers are telling
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: these lawmakers that there was an internal effort to shut
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: down the investigation from the beginning. Have you found that.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I have not found anything like that. All right, So
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: let's talk about the FBI and what you told Big
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Tech or some agents did about the authenticity and providence
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of Hunter Biden's laptop. What about that? From an FBI perspective,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the FBI does not It is not in the business
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: of functioning as the truth police understood. We don't tell
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: social media companies to censor anything. Well, or the Twitter
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: fun I suggest something different. I mean, there's an FBI
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: request numerous times, Taiebee puts it out FBI San Francisco
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: request to ban certain accounts. Twitter personnel in this case
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: went on to look for reasons to suspend all four
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: accounts that the FBI wanted to ban or suspend. Is
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: it appropriate to flag social media accounts on Twitter or
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: elsewhere due to politics or government policies when it comes
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: to COVID? Is it appropriate to anyway? You're saying it
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, but there's evidence that it had. We don't
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: tell social media companies to ban accounts, but you suggest
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: what we do is tell social media companies about information
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: that we have about foreign disinformation campaigns by foreign actors,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: by foreign intelligence services, and those companies don't make decisions
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: about what, if anything, they want to do about it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, center, you hear what he's saying here, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: he saying we don't tell social media company to censor anything. That,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in my opinion, is a complete lie. The emails,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the Twitter files show the complete op is that coming
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: from the FBI. Look, you're exactly right, Ben. The Twitter
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: files demonstrate that the FBI was repeatedly asking social media
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: companies to censor stories they didn't like, And the most
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: striking example is the Hunter Biden laptop. The Hunter and
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Biden laptop. The story broke when the New York Post
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: wrote about it in October of twenty twenty, right before
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the presidential election, and it was a story that was
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: incredibly damaging to Joe Biden because it suggested corruption at
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the very highest level. And the FBI asked big tech,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: please censor this story. The FBI suggested a big tech
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: it was Russian disinformation. Now we know that. Now know
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that was garbage. That was a lie. It was not
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Russian disinformation. It was in fact true. The laptop is true.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: It's been confirmed. It was Hunter Biden's laptop. By the way,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it's not me confirming it. Hunter Biden's lawyers in filings
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: have said it was our laptop, and we're really unhappy
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that you took our client's laptop and made it public,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: like they have implicitly admitted. They tried to back that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: away when they realized, oh crap, we shouldn't have made
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that admission. But it was true and incredibly relevant to
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: the election. The FBI said please block it, and social
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: media saluted said not only jump, but sir, how high?
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And again Chris Ray, he thinks he's defending the FBI.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He's trying to say, Okay, my job is to defend
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: my guys. Baloney. Your job is not to do that.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: The degree to which big Tech got in bed with
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the FBI and actively censored the American people and had
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: an effect of essentially rigging the election, it had an
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: enormous consequence on the twenty twenty election that this story
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: was suppressed, and the FBI is directly responsible in it.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why Chris Ray doesn't feel any responsibility
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: for that. I just think he's his entire focus is
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: my job is protect my guys. Even if my guys
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: are crapping all over the FBI and destroying its integrity,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I got to defend the people that are hurting the FBI.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's a basic and profound misconception of the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: responsibility of the head of the FBI. And you would think,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: as a law enforcement guy, right, we're it's supposed to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: be not political but right and wrong. If you saw
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: members of your organization writing these emails that are clearly
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: politically biased, that would just piss you off, for lack
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: of a better way of saying it, and you would
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: want at least make sure that doesn't happen anymore. And
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: again he's saying, no, no no, no, we don't do this,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Yes you do. It'sdn't writing oh, look and privately express
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: his concerns with these issues. He's very good at saying, oh,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I want to stay out of politics, blah blah blah
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. By the way, I actually believe him.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: I think he would like the FBI to focus on
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: law enforcement. I just think he doesn't have the willingness
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: to take on the extremely partisan leftists, many of whom
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: are now in the senior career leadership of the FBI,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and he views it as I don't know, I don't
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: want to speculate, but he's unwilling to take them on.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe he thinks he can't survive that. Maybe he thinks
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: it somehow damages the FBI. I don't want to impute
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: motives to him, but the fact is he's unwilling to
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: call him out. He ought he ought to hold accountable
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: every person at the FBI that urged social media to
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: censor the media and censor people for expressing their political views.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: He ought to make public. Here's every person the FBI
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: had at January sixth, Every informant we had at January sixth.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: This is not a run of the mill mafia case.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: This is an issue of enormous national important the American
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: people need to know. I think he doesn't want to
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: do that because the FBI would be embarrassed by those facts,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and so he believes he can just stonewall and tell
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Congress go jump in a lake. We're not going to
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: tell you, and the American people don't deserve to know.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And I think he's wrong in that. There's something else
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: that came up, and I was truly shocked by the
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: FBI director's response, and it was a question about the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: drug cartels. There was some shocking for some Americans to see.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: I unfortunately was not shocked by some of the testimony
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: today by the victims when it comes to fetno and Washington,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: d C. Talking about how it's destroyed their family. There's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: a couple of them that have gone on viral, including
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: one mother who lost not one but two sons to fetnel.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why I think
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: it was very clear that there was a direct question
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: asked to Ray from Brett Bear about this war, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: it is a war. It's a war with FETNOL, it's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: a war with the cartels, and he asked him is
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: it time to designate the drug cartels as terrorist organizations,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and we couldn't get a straight answer from the FBI
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: director on that. Listen, it's on immigration. Do you believe
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the cartels should be designated as terrorist organizations? Well, I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: do believe that the cartels represent a significant threat, and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: we have hundreds the FBI has hundreds of investigations that
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: go into cartel leadership, and I'm interested in all appropriate
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: legal tools that will help us go after them. We
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: are going after them. Obviously, we're not responsible for the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: physical secure already at the border, but we recognize that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the threats emanating from the border are serious. Center. I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: gonna cut them off there because why can't he just
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: answer that simple question with a yes, Because unfortunately the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: leadership of the FBI is too concerned with politics. The
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: answer shouldn't be yes, it should be hell yes. Look,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: we on a recent podcast, we walk through my cross
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: examination of the head of the DA where I talked
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: about the incredible harm that Mexican drug cartels carry out,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: where I've talked about the over one hundred thousand people
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: that last year died of drug overdoses in the United States.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: The vast majority from Chinese fentanyl flooding over the southern border.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Now the head of the FBI, I've sat down and
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: talked with her. I think she's actually kind of pretty
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: similar to Chris Ray. She's a law enforcement person. She
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: wants to prosecute the bad guys. Her answers were very political,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: and because she's not, I think a terribly political person,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: she was bad at it. She was repeating the Democrat
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: talking points from this administration. So their talking point is
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: the drugs that are flooding into this country are coming
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: over the legal ports of entry and not over our
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: unsecured southern border. We don't have an unsecured southern border,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: they claim, despite the fact that five and a half
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: million people have crossed illegally under Joe Biden, the worst
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: illegal immigration in the history of our nation. That's the
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: incredible record of the Biden administration. She was trying to
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: repeat the talking points of no, no, no no, no. People
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: don't cross illegally under over the southern border. If they do,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: they certainly don't carry drugs. The facts into the country
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I asked her a very simple question, is the fact
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that these drug cartels have made tens of billions of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: dollars because of our open southern border. Is the fact
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: that the single best thing that ever happened to the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Mexican drug cartels with Joe Biden becoming president because they
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: made massive amounts of money. Is it a good thing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that these vicious criminal drug cartels have made tens of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: billions of dollars? Now look for any cop and for
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: any honest law enforcements, for anyone running the DA, the
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: answer ought to be hell yes, Like, just like Chris Ray,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: should we designate the Mexican drug cartels as terrorists? Hell? Yes,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: they are engaged in murder and torture and horrific acts
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: of violence. They are terrorist organizations. But much like the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: head of the DA that we played that cross examination,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I think last week, he doesn't want to say that
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: because heat gets that the political taskmasters in the White
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: House don't like that answer, so he just dodges, and
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I just wish that. And by the way, eventually the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: head of the DA, after I asked her I think
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: four times, finally and reluctantly said yeah, it's a terrible thing.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Like vicious drug cartels, they make roughly half their money
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: from drug trafficking, roughly half their money from human trafficking.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: It is a terrible thing that Joe Biden has given
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: tens of billions of dollars no hitting. Why didn't you
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: say that the first four times you asked I asked
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you because she was trying to follow the partisan talking points.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: I think that's sadly what Chris Ray is doing there too. Yeah,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I no doubt about it. I want to ask you
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: lastly about one of the thing that Chris Ray said
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in that debt with Wuhan. The FBI is one of
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: two parts of the government now, the Department of Energy
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and the FBI are saying they believe the most likely
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: cause of COVID nineteen is actually that it came from
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: the Wuhan Institute of Virology. That came from a lab,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that didn't come from animals, didn't come from a wet mark,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: didn't come from all of those other lies. And I
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: want to play for you his response on Wuhan. But
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• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to the FBI director.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: He was asked about the lab leek question. It was
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: pretty simple what he had to say in response here.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: It is the FBI has for quite some time now
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a potential lab incident in Wuhan. Let me step back
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: for a second. You know, the FBI has folks, agents, professionals, analysts, virologists, microbiologists, etc.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Who focused specifically on the dangers of biological threats. I mean,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: this was probably the most candid answer he had during
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: the entire interview, and he actually says, Look, for a
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: long time, we've considered the lab to be the most
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: accurate quote theory here. Yeah, listen, this is the only
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: answer in the interview that we've discussed tonight that I like.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: In respect, the FBI under Joe Biden concluded that the
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: most likely explanation for COVID nineteen was that it escaped
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: from a Chinese government lab. They concluded that with what
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: they call moderate confidence, and so in the intelligence community,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: when you have a conclusion and intelligence. You have sometimes
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: conclusions with low confidence, sometimes with moderate confidence, sometimes with
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: high confidence. The FBI concluded it with moderate conferences. This
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: weekend we had the bombshell report that the Biden Department
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: of Energy came to the same conclusion. They concluded that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the most likely source for COVID nineteen was a Chinese
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: government lab. Now, they were less certain about it than
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the FBI. They said they concluded that with quote low confidence,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: but they still thought their assessment, their best judgment was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that was the most likely source. Now, as regular listeners
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: of this podcast, now we have been laying out the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: facts on the origins of COVID nineteen four three years.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Go back and listen. I actually tweeted today, go listen
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: to the podcast that we put out in March of
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Look, the pandemic broke on the national scene
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: in January and February of twenty twenty, so this was early.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: This was right when the pandemic was starting, and we
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: put out a podcast in March of twenty twenty. We
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: put out a second podcast in April of twenty twenty,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: so right at the outset where we walked through the
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: evidence that this virus originated at a Chinese government lab. Now,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: at the time, the Democrat talking points and the corporate
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: media talking points and the Chinese Communist Party talking points
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: were all the same, which is that it is a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: crazy tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory to say that it
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: came from a Chinese government lab. We walked through on
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: this podcast. And by the way, Anthony Faucian writing was
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: asking Mark Zuckerberg, at the head of Facebook, please suppress
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: anyone making the arguments that this came from a Chinese
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: government lab. I gotta tell you, Ben, I remain amazed
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: how the Verdict podcast did not get censored at the time,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: because we were one of the very few places on
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: planet Earth that you could hear those facts. For whatever reason,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: they didn't take us on and censor us. And three
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: years ago we laid out the facts. Let me point
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: to three data points that are really compelling. Number One,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the wu On Institute for Virology. The Wohan Institute for
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Virology is a Chinese government lab and it studies viruses.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: That's why it's called an institute for virology. It studies
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: not just viruses, but it focuses in particular on coronaviruses.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: The particular type of virus that COVID nineteen is. It
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: doesn't just study coronaviruses. It studies coronaviruses from bats. And
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: by the way, the best scientific evidence we have is
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: that COVID nineteen came from a coronavirus carried by bats. Now,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the bats that carry the coronavirus don't occur naturally around Wuhan.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: How far away are they? The closest bats are about
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: nine hundred miles away in caves, a long long way
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: away from Wuhan. Where is the Wuhan Institute for Virology.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: It is a few hundred yards away where the wet
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: market where the first major outbreak of the COVID pandemic occurred.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: You can literally drive a golf ball from the Wuhan
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Institute for Virology to the Wuhan wet market where the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: pandemic occurred. I want you to think, at just as
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: a statistical matter, what are the odds that a pandemic
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: in a coronavirus carried by bats would occur at a
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: wet market a few hundred yards away from a government
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: lab studying coronavirus is carried by bats. They are the
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: odds are incredibly low that that is a coincidence. That's
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: fact number one. Fact number two, we now know that
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: not one, not two, but three different employees of the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Wuhan Institute for Virology in November of twenty nineteen, so
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: a couple of months before the pandemic erupted on the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: worldwide scene November of twenty nineteen, they checked themselves into
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: hospitals for serious health conditions. That suggests. It doesn't prove,
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: but it is a powerful suggestion that those may have
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: been among the first public outbreaks of COVID nineteen. Fact
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: number three, what did the Chinese Communist government do after
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the pandemic erupted. Well, we know that months before the
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: pandemic they had begun buying and hoarding ppe protected personal equipment,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: things like masks and gloves. They had done it in
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: advance of the pandemic. That suggests for knowledge. We also
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: know that they directed the Wuhan Institute for Virology to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: destroy the samples of the coronaviruses they were studying. That
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: suggests guilt, as we talked about in a previous podcast,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: in a court of law, in a civil case or
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: criminal case, if an individual destroys evidence, a judge can
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: instruct the jury. You may draw a negative inference from
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the destruction of evidence. You may conclude that the destruction
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of evidence demonstrates a guilty mind, demonstrates that the evidence
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: would incriminate whoever destroyed the evidence. In this case, it
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: was a Chinese common discovernment and the obvious inference is
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  Speaker 1: that COVID nineteen was a virus they were studying at
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  Speaker 1: the Wohanna Institute for Virology and it escaped and caused
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  Speaker 1: this pandemic. I also think, I think, I actually think
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  Speaker 1: the evidence is overwhelming of that. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the evidence was overwhelming three years ago. What the hell
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  Speaker 1: took Biden Department of Energy three years to get there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad they got there, and I'm glad the FBI
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  Speaker 1: got there, But why did it take so long? This
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  Speaker 1: podcast we figured it out three damn years ago, in
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  Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty. Go listen to that podcast. We
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  Speaker 1: laid out the evidence then, and by the way, I
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that Chris Ray is willing to say that.
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  Speaker 1: and Chris Ray is protecting and apolologizing for big tech.
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  Speaker 1: Big tech and the corporate media did everything they could
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  Speaker 1: to stigmatize, to silence, to suppress anyone laying out the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that this came from a Chinese government lab, no
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  Speaker 1: doubt about it. It It was a very interesting interview and
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  Speaker 1: Ray here. And it's the goal of this podcast, like
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