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From Serpico to Snake Plissken: Matthew Pejkovic’s Cinematic Journey · Cinema Yūgen

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  G'day. That's right. It's that time again. Time for... CINEMA! YOOGEEEAAAAAAA!
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  Welcome back, Cinema Eugenites. Here we go.
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  For 20 years, one voice has cut through the noise of modern film culture with
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  precision, passion, and an authority.
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  Matthew Bukovic isn't just a film critic. He's a cinematic leifer.
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  As the founder of Matt's Movie Reviews Online since 2006, Six Matthew has helped
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  shape the digital conversation around movies, earning the respect of filmmakers and fans alike.
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  Through more than 650 podcast episodes, he has stepped into the arena with directors,
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  actors, and industry heavyweights, uncovering the stories behind the stories.
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  A relentless interviewer, a champion of independent cinema, a trusted voice
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  in horror, the curator of films that demand to be seen.
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  From deep-cut retrospectives to fearless conversations, his work reminds us
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  that movies aren't just entertainment.
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  They're mythology for the modern age.
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  Now, he enters the world of Cinema Jürgen, so turn down the lights and lean
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  close and get ready, because this conversation is for those who don't just watch movies.
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  They live them he loves them
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  watches too many of them just like i
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  do my main man welcome the man
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  behind matt's movie reviews the mighty
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  matthew bakovic welcome to cinema even matthew thank you very much ken for having
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  me today mate fantastic to have you fantastic to talk with you being a great
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  admirer of your uh your work spreading the good news about everything that's good at the cinema.
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  What's the, what's the last good movie you saw, Matty?
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  Does it have to be cinema movie or any movie? No, no, just, yeah.
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  Last, last movie, like you'd recommend to me, you decide, oh man,
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  I saw this the other night and boom, it was great.
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  Yeah, yesterday I re-watched one of my favorite action movies from the 80s called Lone Wolf McQuaid.
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  Oh, yes, Chuck Norris.
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  From 1983. Yeah, Chuck Norris and David Carradine, yeah.
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  David Carradine, that's right. So it was like Walker, Texas Ranger before there
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  was a Walker, Texas Ranger.
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  Did you ever speak to Steve Carver, the director of that movie?
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  I haven't. I know Steve Carver sued Chuck Norris afterwards because when they
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  made Walker, Texas Ranger, it was a plain ripoff of what he made with Lone Wolf McQuaid.
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  And Steve Carver was like, I'm going to try to get some restitution out of this.
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  I got to speak to Steve before he passed. And yeah.
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  Interesting cat. You know, he learned storyboarding from Alfred Hitchcock and
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  he made pasta with Sergio Leone.
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  That's very cool. Well, you've definitely said the only influence in Don't Wolf
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  that way, that's for sure.
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  That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. Like back in the day I interviewed Andrew Brian Askey,
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  who is, he was Zangief in the original Street Fighter film, and he was Christopher
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  Walken's son in Batman Begins.
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  And he told me a great story about having Thanksgiving.
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  Him and Christopher Walken had Thanksgiving dinner together.
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  And it was a, it was a tremendous, uh.
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  A tremendous experience all this sort of stuff but uh yeah i think hearing christopher
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  walken ask if you can please please pass me the cranberry sauce would be a draw
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  well he had he had like a pretty good joke because christopher walken was apparently
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  when they cast him as his son,
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  he was trying to he was talking to tim burton he was trying to reason it and
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  he he reasoned it with a story.
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  He said like, you know, when I was a boy, you know, we were poor.
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  So instead of, uh, my,
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  father was a baker so instead of uh bread we had sawdust and all this sort of
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  stuff you know but he points at andrew and he goes but you you had orange juice.
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  So because he was like 10 times the
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  size of like christopher walk i don't
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  know if you've seen andrew he's huge he's like very
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  chiseled very chiseled yeah hey did you like he's
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  in any he's the dude in any given sunday like the
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  the have you seen any of you and the
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  one who listens to to metallica and brings
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  yeah yeah and he shits all over matthew
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  modine in the in the booth that's right yes anima yeah he told me a great story
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  about that so something about james woods is off camera and everyone cracked
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  up because he has anybody watch chinese food like after because like I think he legitimately,
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  you know, like cut the cheese in the scene.
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  So Matthew Modine is actually reacting to something there, something mysterious.
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  But anyway, Matt, movies make your world turn like I do.
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  What sort of, I guess, what was the spark?
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  What sort of, what tipped you off? What secret voice in the cornfield spoke
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  to you and said, if you build it, he will come, I guess.
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  Well with movies i've always like growing up
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  with as like just growing up as a kid always watched movies all the
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  time my my a big i i realized that
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  now over the last couple years how much of an influence my
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  older brother had on me in regards to in regards
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  to a lot of things but especially movies because back in the vhs era he had
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  the uh the video card and he'd bring home a lot of movies so your stallone's
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  washington you know all sorts of stuff you know and i watched a lot of stuff
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  through him and he will take us to the cinema and create fun memories of that. As I got older though.
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  When I was, say, maybe 19, 20 years old, my attitude towards movie changed when
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  I watched a film called Serpico.
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  It was an Al Pacino film from 1973.
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  It was on late at night on Aussie TV, if it was on Channel 9 or something, and it just started.
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  Maybe it was five minutes in, and I couldn't stop watching it.
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  And from that, it just changed my perception of what movies is, what filmmaking is.
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  I don't even think I've seen a Pacino movie before. maybe dick tracy or
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  something at the cinema okay um yeah so and
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  then that started an exploration of all things machino and
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  then that starts you know all things signal and met and then francis coppola
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  francis coppola to de niro de niro
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  to school it just it just expands this whole kind of world into it
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  and at the same time you know the the internet
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  was just really starting to um come into its own
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  as a place where people can really express their opinion and write about
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  stuff and i was like hey you can i can do that
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  i can you know because i'll be i always had the the
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  dream of writing for like a publication right empire
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  magazine or whatever yeah but um you know
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  how do you get in you don't exactly yeah that's
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  the question that can happen exactly not to be or not to
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  be get in exactly but i
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  was working in retail at the time in around 2005 or
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  so i had a really bad injury i had really bad back and
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  hip problems i couldn't walk for like a month or
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  a couple months and during that time i just started writing and
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  i was like i'm gonna write about what i like right now i like movies and write
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  about movies and sure and then in 2006 it's like i'm gonna start this website
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  which which will become matt's movie reviews which is 20 years this year this
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  october well done years since that started and then just yeah just since then
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  it's always It's just been,
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  you know, an evolution of it all.
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  So now, you know, I do write, I still write for my website and such,
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  but I've got the YouTube stuff, which I've put a lot more effort into lately, my cast as well.
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  Yeah. But yeah, I think for me, it all begins with.
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  Serpico if it wasn't me watching Serpico you
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  know as a 19 20 year old whatever was that wouldn't
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  have started his journey into going into so many films and
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  to this day it still remains one of my favorite movies yeah
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  that's interesting yeah that's interesting I mean I I I'm always interested
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  that that for some people it is a particular cinematic experience it's not just
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  well I I loved movies from the beginning but for some people it is a specific
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  film like Billy Friedkin always talked about Citizen Kane.
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  He said, I didn't give a hoot about movies, but then I saw Citizen Kane and,
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  you know, brain explodes and all of a sudden you start to see everything a little bit differently.
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  Like you say, you start to go down the rabbit hole, as they say, of different things.
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  I mean, I was similar when I began watching movies.
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  My particular links, though, were mainly like, oh.
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  Okay, it says that he was inspired by this film like
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  when i first saw star wars it said that george lucas was
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  inspired by kurosawa okay who's kurosawa watch
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  kurosawa's films and then you see how kurosawa influenced george and then you
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  see how george influences someone else you know and then you see a remake of
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  a movie and oh that's a remake of okay seven samurai MRI.
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  Is the magnificent seven what's the magnificent seven and
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  you right and you just keep following it
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  and then you as you say you get into actors and
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  you know oh he was also in that movie wow check
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  that movie out oh okay it was by this director oh that's interesting what did
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  he do too and that was kind of i suppose similar to your journey so like just
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  finding your way through it going from oh geez i like this where does that go
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  where does that go who what was he in you know,
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  it's like the other day i i i realized that the first like someone we were talking
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  about twin peaks because i'm i'm going to be interviewing richard green who
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  did this fantastic documentary i don't know if you've seen it it's called i
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  know katherine the log lady which is about.
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  The the actress who played uh
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  katherine and she was actually really
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  what blew me away which i didn't know
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  is she was the she was one of very few
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  female focus pullers in hollywood and she
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  was the focus puller on the wrath of khan believe
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  it or not but a very very talented lady
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  very great documentary but we were talking about we
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  were talking about sort of how you know the influences and
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  and how it seems today with
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  movies there is because their
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  influences are only other films okay whereas
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  in the past cinema was largely literary
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  inspired right but you
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  have a great vast generation of
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  filmmakers that are purely cinematically inspired and that becomes like Ouroboros
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  the snake that eats itself because it's not being refurbished with any new stimulus
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  that is not other than itself does that make sense it does it reminds me of this documentary I saw.
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  What was it called? It was like, it was Alien Memories of Alien Memories,
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  Origin Memories of Aliens, something like that. Yes, yes. And I forgot just off the top.
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  I think it was Alexandre Philippe who directed it. Yes.
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  He does really great kind of documentaries. And the whole sense of that documentary
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  is that even though Alien in itself seems like such an original kind of concept
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  and just the world building and everything else, it's actually,
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  its inspirations are borrowed from so many different places, from H.R.
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  Girard to comic books from other sci-fi everything.
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  I think these days especially the lack of original ideas is something that's
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  a problem in regards to movies and such.
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  But I think that's kind of always been the case, but I think the difference
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  is that filmmakers from the past, especially say from the,
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  the 70s and maybe 80s as well especially the
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  70s is that they were able to take these these other
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  films these other ideas and kind of make them their own where
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  a lot of the things that are made now they want everything to be exactly like
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  it was before because the things that made before they made money so they have
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  to do a copy and it's going to make money again exactly and that's a problem
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  because it's now led to a point i think that to the point where And it's also
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  always a philosophy that I had where,
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  why would I want to listen to a band that does Black Sabbath riffs when I can
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  just listen to Black Sabbath? Exactly. Yeah.
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  Then why would I need to watch a movie that's like, oh, this is like Star Wars of the New Generation?
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  Well, I've seen Star Wars. I know Star Wars. You're not going to do better than
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  that. So I'm not going to bother watching it. You know?
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  I don't want to watch the 50th MCU Avengers incarnation.
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  You guys killed it. You did it already. You did Endgame and whatever else it's done. You know? Yes.
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  What else do you want to do? The lightning has been captured in the bottle.
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  You can't, you know, now we're just- But not only has it been captured,
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  but the light has dimmed to the point where- Right, yeah.
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  You've got to shake. sometimes you get to shake up the bottle to,
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  to get it to happen again.
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  But I think now like it's, it's just out of juice, you know?
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  So what's going to, who's going to recharge that again? I don't know.
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  That's why, I think that's why I love indie films so much. Cause I think a lot
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  of indie films still have some of that juice going on.
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  Sure. Well, the revolution is in, in, in full effect right now, as far as indie cinema.
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  And as I was saying to, I was talking with another great champion and indie
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  film writer, director, producer, and everything else that he does.
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  Mike ferguson earlier this morning and it
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  as i said the next easy riders
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  and raging balls that came out of the 70s
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  will will come out of this somewhere it'll be it'll be someone that you know
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  because like when look you never know when you're on to the next big thing who
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  knows what the next big thing is going to be and i'm pretty sure that you know
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  like you i've talked to enough filmmakers and writers and actors and whatever else,
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  you never know when you're in it, that the thing that you're in is going to be big or not.
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  Wouldn't you say? I mean, you know, I mean, I mean, ghostbusters look,
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  I mean, look, the posters behind you, ghostbusters, who would have thought ghostbusters
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  would be a big thing. Right. Yeah.
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  I mean, and I think the element of a, of a, of a, of a, I don't know,
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  and putting some risk into it is definitely gone these days as well.
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  I think cinema, especially like the big kind of. It's the risk of us.
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  It's the risk of us. It's all about, it's all about spreadsheets and focus,
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  focus groups, right? Sure. Or algorithms.
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  Yeah. Well, bloody algorithm.
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  You know, that's how Netflix works, isn't it? Like if the algorithm is good.
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  Yeah. Yeah. And just going back to what you're saying about.
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  Where's that next kind of you know person going to
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  come from where's our next film going to come from i think there's definitely
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  a possibility that we can have another evolution of indie filmmaking again i
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  just question whether that's going to play out on the cinema screen that's all
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  oh yeah like yeah on the big yeah whether or not it's going to play out on the
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  big screen you know i mean that'll be it'll be interesting to see what happens
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  when netflix finally gets its hands on, uh, Warner brothers.
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  And, you know, I mean, it's look, it's just, it's just like that little animated
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  clip that I'm sure everyone's seen when they were a kid of, there's a little
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  fish in the pond and then another fish eats it.
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  And then another fish eats it. And then finally the biggest fish eats them all.
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  And then you think he's fine until a gigantic fish eats the big fish.
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  And I mean, that's, that's all that's happening right now. They're just consolidating
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  until they'll only be like, back when we were young, there was like four or
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  five channels and that's it.
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  You know, there'll be three massive or three or four massive media conglomerates control everything.
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  And unless you have their streaming services, you won't be able to see any of
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  that content, formerly known as cinema.
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  It's scary. It's scary to think about, but it's something that's just going to happen.
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  And so I think maybe where we're going to find a lot of the really good stuff,
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  and I think it might be happening now with that Iron Lung movie that just came
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  out, maybe it's the YouTube creator who's going to be the next big voice of film. Yeah.
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  Maybe the movie's on that platform, you know. Yeah.
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  Well, I mean, look, there's certainly, YouTube has become the great...
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  Sort of the i mean i know it's a i know it's a it's a sea of it's a sea of videos
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  and i mean you could argue that we're all a drop in the ocean but what is an
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  ocean but a multitude of drops,
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  but i know so many and i know and i've met and reviewed so many young filmmakers
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  putting their short films up on youtube and yes it's a it's look it's a crapshoot
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  it's it's a roll of the dice,
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  but we've both heard stories in the past of, of people making a short film on YouTube.
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  It goes through the sky and next minute they got a meeting with the Hollywood,
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  you know, like Sandy color.
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  Yeah. Like Sandy color with his Batman dead end. I mean, you know, right.
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  So yeah, look, it is, it is possible, but it's, it's still a lottery.
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  I mean, you, you don't, you never, never know if you never, never go.
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  If you, if you've got a great idea, like people, people since i write
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  movies as well as write about movies people always
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  come up to you and they go i got a great idea for a movie right and
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  i was like well why don't you write the great idea
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  you know you obviously if you've been thinking about it you know
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  if you give it to me i've got to try and mold it into
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  something that i can see and it stops being
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  your idea and becomes our idea if you've got a good idea why
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  don't you take a swing you know i mean what
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  do you got to lose i mean um that that person sounds like a future producer
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  he's going to delegate the task to everyone oh don't tell me producers some
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  of the notes that you get are just mind-boggling does the car have to be read
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  no no the car doesn't have to be read.
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  What color would you like the car to be? Black. What's a preferred color?
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  Make it black. Make every car black. We don't want any red cars.
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  You know, it's, yeah, it's stupidity of the highest order.
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  It's like the famous story of the producer of that film Paradise Road with Glenn Close in it.
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  And he said- Cate Blanchett was in that too? Yeah, she was in that too, yeah.
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  And he said, can we change the name of this place Singapore? Sounds made up.
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  And the dude said, Singapore, it's the capital of Malaysia. Oh,
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  it's a real place, is it? Okay, sorry.
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  But, yeah, so you've got to be careful.
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  But they're not all like that. There's some, look, I'm not going to ruin it.
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  There's some good producers too. There's some good producers too. There's just some that.
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  That didn't get there by any means of talent or hard work.
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  They got there because their uncle owns the building or something like that.
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  The whole Nepo BB thing, right? But so, yeah, so like myself,
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  you've talked to a lot of big names, indie and otherwise.
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  What's been some of your favorite sort of chats with some of the big names?
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  The bigger ones are kind of difficult because usually they're done through junkets or stuff like that.
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  So any amount of time or like, um, premieres. But it must be kind of cool just to meet them though.
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  Say g'day. It is. And it, there's a number of different, there's a number of
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  different ones that come out and the ones, the best ones that are the ones that
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  kind of like, kind of, you could tell they have a personality about them away from the screen.
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  Right, right. I think kind of like the personality that comes out on the screen.
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  Right, right. Yeah. But they are kind of like genuine, you know?
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  Yeah. Kurt Russell, I mean.
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  That's awesome. To this day, that's a pinch me. You know, I watch the clip sometimes.
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  Yeah, yeah. And I'll go, I can't believe I interviewed Kurt Russell.
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  Because that day was just like, oh, everything's going on. Did you like shake his- It was for, um.
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  Did you touch him? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.
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  Yeah. And it was for the Hateful Eight Junket. Because they said,
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  do you want to talk to Tarantino or Kurt Russell? I said, Kurt Russell.
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  I don't want to. I don't want to talk to- Yeah, Snake Plissken.
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  Snake Plissken, yeah. I want to talk to Snake Plissken. you know,
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  so far I know that Kurt Russell will be a little more, be more of a conversation.
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  And the only problem with those junkets too, is you've got to kind of limit it to the film.
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  You can't sort of go off and say, you know, you can't go off and ask him like
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  big trouble, little China questions and stuff like that.
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  True. It is true. But if the film's good, then that's okay, right?
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  That's all right to do that. In Hateful Eight, it isn't my favorite Tarantino,
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  but Kurt Russell was great in it, so I was fine.
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  Oh, yeah. But I did get to talk a little bit about Bone Tomahawk with him,
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  because he brought it up. Oh, okay.
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  Yeah. We're talking about Westerns. And Bone Tomahawk came out the same year,
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  I think, which is a fantastic movie as well. Yeah, yeah. So that's top of my head, he was fantastic.
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  Yeah, Kurt Russell. Another great one, Hugh Jackman at the premiere of Real Steel was awesome too.
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  Yeah. That was a really fantastic one. I enjoyed it. I still,
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  I really enjoyed that movie.
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  I thought it was. I do as well because to me, it reminded me kind of like an
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  old school Stallone movie, like Over the Top or something.
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  That's great. I was waiting, I've been waiting for someone to agree with me on that.
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  That movie is like a future version of like Over the Top. And I'm like, yeah, thank you.
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  And I got to ask Jackman now, I go, Stallone movies, Over the Top,
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  this is, that was an influence. And he goes, oh yeah, absolutely.
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  Like you need, you need to talk about. So any chance I could put Stallone in
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  the conversation because I'm a huge Stallone fan, it's great.
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  So they're just two off the top of my head that right now I can just think of
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  because there's been so many.
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  Some of them, some have been surprising, like talking to Robin Williams was
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  kind of surprising because you always see stories about how when he's kind of like.
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  Off the, off, off the stage or off the camera, he's kind of,
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  he's more kind of quiet and, you know, that's the Robin Williams I kind of got, so I'm more quiet.
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  Right. Like, once in a while he'll do a little flash kind of thing and do his
• 23:42
  Robin Williams stuff, but, um, it was very kind of just, kind of mellow and quiet and stuff.
• 23:48
  And when you look, when you think back now to stuff you went through,
• 23:50
  I was hoping he was okay on that day, you know?
• 23:53
  But yeah, that was, that was a great one too. But again, that's,
• 23:55
  that's a, that's a, um, can't believe, you know, I taught, taught Robin Williams.
• 24:00
  Come snake plissken that's a monolith that's huge
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  god i could only imagine gosh
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  i've got a million questions i'd love to ask him
• 24:11
  oh man i wish i could
• 24:13
  talk to him right now it'd be great yeah like at least
• 24:16
  15 minutes it's awesome well give
• 24:20
  me give me yeah give me another five yeah that would
• 24:22
  be awesome i only had like five or so that's massive dude
• 24:26
  snake plissken man i could only imagine it'd
• 24:29
  be like if i got to like i'd really love to talk to like nicholas cage
• 24:32
  that's my cage that's my like that's
• 24:35
  my white elephant either either it's gonna
• 24:38
  sound weird either nicholas cage or werner herzog i
• 24:42
  would love to get a hold of somehow i don't know
• 24:45
  how i'm gonna figure it out but like there's
• 24:48
  people i'd love to interview that i know i'll never get a chance
• 24:51
  to interview like pacino and stallone and such but
• 24:54
  then there's people that i love to interview that you know
• 24:57
  i hope i can i think it could be a possibility maybe in the future if i'm still
• 25:02
  doing this in a year from now i don't know but i don't know but you know i do
• 25:06
  have a list of like of like people i love to try to get 10 15 minutes with yeah
• 25:12
  whatever will happen i'm not sure we'll see i'd love to talk to like.
• 25:18
  My obscure one would be Clint Howard. I would love to talk to Clint Howard.
• 25:24
  Clint Howard's done a lot.
• 25:26
  Even though I have to say a lot of my questions would be directed towards the
• 25:29
  Wraith and the Ice Cream Man.
• 25:31
  But, you know. He loved the Wraith. I think it's 30 years this year or 40 years this year.
• 25:37
  He came out, the Wraith. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great one.
• 25:40
  And I totally forgot that Nick Cassavetes was in that movie as well.
• 25:43
  That's right. Yeah, he's the bad guy. He plays the villain.
• 25:46
  Yeah. Yeah. That's right. No, that's a great one. I have great memories of the
• 25:51
  VHS cover. It had like this foil...
• 25:54
  This translucent foil finish in the, the one that came out up here anyway.
• 25:59
  And when you moved, it wasn't holographic, but you know, sort of all the background
• 26:04
  and the, the visor and stuff was like reflective. It was really like, it was, it was cool.
• 26:10
  Back in the, back in the dark ages when they used to have all these video promotion
• 26:14
  stuff on the, on the counters of the video stores, I've still got one that was
• 26:19
  on the counter for like Chopper when Chopper came out.
• 26:24
  Nice they just used to sit you know you remember they
• 26:27
  used to sit on the the counters of the video the best times in the video store
• 26:32
  is when you see them taking down the old merch and you're like oh can i have
• 26:36
  that yeah sometimes seven out of ten i said oh we already got a mark for someone
• 26:40
  else but sometimes i'm like yeah sure take it yeah and then you've got this stand standee.
• 26:46
  Standees yeah yeah i gotta do this thing you know yeah i worked i worked in
• 26:51
  the video I worked at a really great video store when I was in high school and
• 26:57
  the, you know, the policy was, you know, if you,
• 26:59
  if they wanted the standees, they had to go and write their name on the back of it.
• 27:02
  And then there was always a list for like posters. Cause sometimes there wasn't
• 27:07
  a lot of posters for certain ones.
• 27:09
  I remember having to fight someone nearly for a fifth element poster,
• 27:14
  which I really, really, geez, I love the fifth element. They don't make movies like the fifth element.
• 27:20
  No. and even when like if
• 27:23
  Luke Besson tried again I think people these days would say it's too weird or
• 27:27
  whatever yeah and I really he made that movie Valerian which was kind of similar
• 27:32
  yeah to I only ever watched that once and I still don't know I'd probably have
• 27:38
  to watch it again but I really don't know how I felt about it I watched it and I was like hmm.
• 27:44
  You know, I wasn't, it wasn't bad, but I wasn't really, I was,
• 27:48
  I guess I was disappointed. I guess if there was a word for it,
• 27:52
  because I was, I was hoping it would be the fifth element again, but that was foolish.
• 27:58
  Yeah, I know. But sometimes we got it. We got to be careful sometimes,
• 28:02
  you know, it's like when a movie like that comes out and you can't, you can't repeat it.
• 28:06
  But at the same time, I liked the fact that the fifth element was what we don't
• 28:10
  have enough of anymore is like really good standalone movies.
• 28:13
  They're not part of a verse, or they're not part of a series,
• 28:16
  or they're not going to be part of a franchise.
• 28:21
  One of my least favorite words outside of the, what did you call it before?
• 28:26
  It starts with an A, the YouTube word. What's it called again? I forgot what it was.
• 28:30
  But one of my least favorite word is universe, or universe, two words there.
• 28:34
  I hate, I can't stand that word.
• 28:36
  Yeah. It's part of the universe of blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, just fuck off. Yeah.
• 28:42
  Because once you once you go down that path then you create this terrifying
• 28:47
  thing canon and then you have to stick to it otherwise they'll come after you
• 28:52
  with pinch forks and knives.
• 28:54
  That's right because because let's face it now that everyone has a soapbox,
• 29:00
  all the crazies can come to the party too and you
• 29:04
  know it's who would have thought fandom could
• 29:07
  be so terrifying you know
• 29:11
  or it always was because there's only just a one
• 29:14
  little step away from being a fan to being a fanatic and when yeah that's true
• 29:17
  fanatic fanatic camp yeah things get really bad but it's always it's always
• 29:22
  been there but it was always there kind of like with a lot of people just viewed
• 29:26
  it as kind of like like a little sect or a little cult kind of like the star
• 29:29
  wars fan or the geeky star trek guy that stuff's always been there.
• 29:34
  What a lot of people don't realize is they, they have it within them themselves.
• 29:37
  They just never could be asked making a sign or a blog or something to talk about it.
• 29:42
  But when they have something as accessible as a Facebook or a Twitter or whatever,
• 29:46
  and you can just blurt whatever the hell's on your mind out there,
• 29:50
  you know, you're, everyone's got, everyone's got an inner fanatic on something.
• 29:53
  There's something out there, whether it be, whether it be, you know,
• 29:57
  Star Wars or wherever it be bloody, I don't know, the flavor of ice cream of the month, whatever.
• 30:03
  There's, people love what they love and it's like that, it's like that,
• 30:07
  it's like that chap, a fellow YouTuber, uh, like you, who does nothing but coffee. He's like a coffee.
• 30:14
  Guru, if you will, seen a few videos of his knows.
• 30:18
  I mean, he's a walking encyclopedia of coffee and how to make a coffee and all this sort of stuff.
• 30:23
  It's so, it's really fascinating. Who would have thought, I mean,
• 30:26
  I'm just an, I'm just a couple of scoops, instant coffee sort of dude,
• 30:30
  but this guy goes to great lengths to prepare immaculate caffeinated beverages that.
• 30:37
  You know, I mean, I drink them, but I don't have the patience to,
• 30:41
  you know, go through all the apparatus and all that sort of nonsense i'm happy
• 30:46
  to drink if he's prepared to pour i'm happy drinking but that's
• 30:52
  a passion right i mean there's that other guy that aussie bloke who he's a plumber
• 30:56
  and he clogs drains and clogs drains and he gets millions of views of people
• 31:01
  just watching going to the worst kind of places where there's come like you
• 31:04
  know all type of uh crap flying around literally that he's like, you know,
• 31:09
  boots deep in and he drains, uses his, you know, powerful hose or whatever it
• 31:14
  was and he uses it and he gets the stuff out of the drain and gets a million views.
• 31:18
  But because he does it so enthusiastically and people just find some type of
• 31:23
  satisfaction watching him do it, you know, just like that's what he likes,
• 31:26
  you know, everyone's got their thing.
• 31:29
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• 31:34
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