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Side Piece: The debut · Boxing B-Sides

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The B -Side in boxing. B -Side shit. B -Side.
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B -Side. And the B -Side. Don't brag about taking
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my side piece! Don't brag about taking my side
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piece! The B -Side thing. This is the B -Sides
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Boxing Podcast. I left with his belt and his
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girl. Hey, as I'm sure you've noticed by now,
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Shanada's not on the main show and two other
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people have come into play. This wasn't like
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a conflict or anything. It's just a scheduling
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problem. And we decided to resolve that problem
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by having Shanada be the co -panel on a show
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of her own. And this is where we're at. So this
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is a little bit more freeform, less... in the
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news i guess like or in the fights that just
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happen unless it's like a major event but it's
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just flowing conversation so you'll get to hear
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that whenever we get on to chat uh i don't have
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like a formal introduction the same way i do
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with b -sides so instead i'm just going to drop
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you into the conversation right where it begins
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now is it in that chair space thing yes And where
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would I find said document? If you go to Boxing
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B -Sides, it's at the root of it. My files? No.
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No. Shared files? Boxing B -Sides. Logos written.
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Side piece. Yep. Get it. What is a knee? Was
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it a knee? I've been actually throwing around,
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bouncing around some ideas for a new name. Side
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piece doesn't seem quite as good as I thought
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it would be. People aren't liking it. I thought
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it was funny. I think it's funny too, but I think
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it's like too inside. Too much of an inside joke.
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Our fans are too casual for the name. I guess,
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even when you explain it to them. Or young, maybe.
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Maybe too young. The audio is cut into the intro.
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You can hear them saying it. Right, but when
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was that? Shit, was it 2015? 2014? It's like
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10 years ago. Yeah. Some interesting ones. Extra
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rounds. corner corner talk the locker room locker
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room talk nice uh training camp uh ringside now
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ringside stories i don't know now that i'm saying
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it out loud no i don't think that one fits um
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hmm i'll have to think about it maybe yeah boxing
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overtime overtime but that's more uh i guess
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there's overtime boxing extra rounds overtime
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box yeah The after round? The deeper cut? What
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do they call the change room that the guys go
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to? Is that a locker room? Yes, locker room.
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In boxing? Dressing room or locker room? The
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aftermath? CTE? New name TBD. Yours are better.
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Yeah, yours are better. Bell to bell, the clinch,
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in the clinch. After the bell. After the bell's
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pretty good. But then it's a matter of making
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sure these aren't taken. Yeah, yeah. All the
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good ones are probably taken. People come up
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with some interesting word combinations to try
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to get out of overlapping. We'll just spell it
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wrong. oh geez z's instead of s's every time
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yeah uh so the burning question was it a knee
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it was obviously a knee yeah was it a kd should
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have been should have been so everybody's talking
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about it of course uh the pro box guys had two
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whole podcast shows about it i got the hiccups
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all of a sudden and uh they had they called people
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in from all over to discuss this i'd actually
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recommend that people go look or watch the the
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pro box one yeah everybody agrees that it should
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have been at least a point deduction a bunch
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of people are like it's a disqualification uh
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chris algieri was like well his corner came up
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the stairs with a white towel, so I thought at
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the time that they were conceding, or like throwing
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in the towel. Yeah, it's crazy. And his excuse
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that it was grease doesn't change anything. It
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doesn't make it better. You can't explain your
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way out of it. I'm of the mind. that any explanation
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is just going to make it worse. Just say, like,
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I took a knee, and that was that. Yeah, and,
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like, you can take a knee. That's fine. People
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do it all the time. But even his corner, if you
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listen, they were like, that looked like a submission,
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or whatever the wording is. Like, that looked
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like you were quitting, basically. When he turned
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his back and stuff. Turned his back. And they're
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like, you can't be doing that shit. You're not
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allowed to turn your back. It's in the fucking
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rules. You can't. So you take a knee. You turn
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your back, take a knee, run and lean halfway
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out of the ring. Your corner comes in and interacts
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with you, which is a disqualification. Yeah.
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Like, I don't know. And the ref started counting.
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He did. And then Tank told him to stop. Which
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is fucking madness. Absolutely. And the argument
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that everybody has that is 100 % correct is if
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Roach did any of these, it definitely would have
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been a point off. He probably would have just
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been disqualified. I don't know if they would
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have went as far as disqualifying him, but if
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the roles were reversed, it would 100 % have
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been a point off and definitely would have...
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The very least, a stern, very strong warning.
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Like, that is absolutely not allowed. Any other
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funny business and you're disqualified. Yeah,
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so the turning your back thing is whatever, but
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the corner coming up on the apron, I think, is
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a disqualification 85 % of the time. Yeah. Like,
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and they touched him and stuff. They can't be
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doing that. If you got shit in your eye, you
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have to wait for the ref to tell you you can
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get it. And if it was his hair, people fight
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with their hair all fucked up and bothering them
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and in their face constantly. Like, there was
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that lady whose weave kept falling out. Jesus.
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seen multiple people multiple guys get their
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hair cut in the corner yeah between rounds absolutely
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or taped up yeah but i mean like the the men
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especially tend to just go fuck it cut it off
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it's i don't know his excuse doesn't change the
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fact that it was a knockdown yes if nothing else
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if nothing else it was a knockdown You voluntarily
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took one. People take them all the time. One
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of the quote -unquote hardcore fans fucking boner
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fights, Jose Luis Castillo versus Diego Corrales.
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In that one, he took knees, he spit out his mouthpiece,
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got a point deducted for it because he needed
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the time. People take knees. It happens for whatever
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reason. yeah and if i don't even think he had
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grease in his face or in his eye because if it
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was just grease from sweating like he would have
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been wiping at it he never once wiped his eyes
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not that i saw anyway yeah i shouldn't say never
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once because somebody's gonna go back and watch
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the round and be like you lied but at the time
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he took the knee He wasn't wiping at his eyes
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multiple times. The equivalent would be if somebody
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was getting blood in their eye and just called
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a timeout so that their corner could wipe it
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off. Tim Zoo. I'm sure he would have loved to
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take a break in the middle of the round to get
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the blood wiped off. I was not a Tank fan anyways,
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but this is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, inexcusable.
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And two of the three refs gave him that round.
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Like, did you see that? Yeah, to make it worse,
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there's chatter. The WBA president, he's kind
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of spearheading it, like, this shit needs to
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get overturned. That was absolutely wrong. And
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he has as much to lose. With Tank not having
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that title, because he's a cash cow. Of course
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he's going to want Tank to be a belt holder.
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Well, and they do have video replay, right? That
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fight was in New York? I don't know if New York
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does. New York definitely does. If the fight
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was in New York, they have video replay. Like,
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what the fuck, guys? Seriously. That was round
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nine, was it? No, it was early. Seven? I think
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it was earlier than that. I'm going to check.
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You go ahead. You have like multiple rounds.
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You have 10 fucking minutes to figure it out.
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Like, I don't know. It's ridiculous. How did
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that not rear its head before is curious to me.
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I am sure New York has video replay because I've
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seen a couple times where they. called, like,
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knockdowns and then were like, oh, no punch,
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or called, you know, cuts caused by headbutts.
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You were right, it's the 9th. But still, you
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have, like, that's a lot of time to look at a
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video replay and announce it to the judges and
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the crowd. And you had eight rounds where you
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weren't having grease problems. Yeah, that's
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the other thing. Such a bullshit made -up story.
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of it either. Anyways, it
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was a knockdown and Roach won. Roach absolutely
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won the fight. That knockdown is 115 -112 justice
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for Roach. Well, it'd be even more of a swing,
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wouldn't it? If two judges gave it that round
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to Tank, it'd have to go the other way. That's
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a three -point swing on two cards. So then it'd
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be 116 -111. Yeah. Which is a fair margin. That
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is quite... He beat Tank. He definitely beat
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Tank. The world knows. The hood knows who won
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that. The whole hood knows who won that fight.
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Speaking of the whole hood knowing, Serrano Taylor
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Part 3 is officially official for July. I don't
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know how to feel about it. They were both really
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good fights. I could see why. the trilogy is
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needed but taylor's old man i've been saying
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for a while that i just want her to retire and
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be the living legend that she is like right off
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into the sunset before you're because i swear
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to god she's starting to slur her words and stuff
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everybody's like oh that's just her accent but
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i don't think it is No, I don't think it is either.
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It's getting worse. Before, what, side piece
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era time frame, like, yeah, it's her accent,
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but not anymore. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
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know how to feel about it either. They were two
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good fights. Third fight's probably going to
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be great. I said it last time and I was wrong,
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but I think Serrano's going to win. And then
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you have, what, two to one? Still? The more they
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do this, the more time between the fights, it's
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just more time that Taylor gets older, Serrano
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gets more time to figure it out. And I hope they
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do three -minute rounds. I really do. If they
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do three -minute rounds, that would be better,
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for sure. But Taylor's getting old. And it's
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not like she gassed in the last fight, but...
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Suddenly jumping to three -minute rounds when
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you're... She's got to be close to 40, isn't
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she? If she's not 40? I believe she's 38, but
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I'm not 100%. Like... Jumping to three -minute
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rounds that late in your career... I mean, if
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anybody can do it, Katie Taylor can do it, but
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it just seems like a bad idea to me. But... She
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could be, you know, one of the first women to
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do three -minute rounds for... That would be
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a title fight, right? Yeah, undisputed. Yeah.
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Yeah, and you're right. She is 38. Look at me.
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I don't know what round Tank went down in, but
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I know how old Katie Taylor is. Well done, me.
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I mean, arguably, Katie Taylor is more... important
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than tank anyways now that he's a fucking loser
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and a whiny bitch oh i got grease in my eyes
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coach come wipe it off for me this guy's beating
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me up and i don't know what to do if they rematch
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i think roach is probably going to get knocked
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out if they rematch maybe but everybody knows
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he won that first fight absolutely man the whole
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hood knows it's gonna it's gonna keep coming
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up because i'm still fucking miffed every time
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i think i'm like okay i'm gonna stop talking
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about it i'm gonna stop thinking about it and
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then less than an hour later i'm like fucking
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that was angry that was a fucking knee it was
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clearly a knee yeah god tank lost he lost Well,
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and it bugs me because what's that ref's name?
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Steve Willis. Yeah, he's usually so good. He
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is? Like, I usually like Steve Willis. He's a
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good ref. He is. And he started the count. Why
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did he stop? I remember back when I had hair,
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I remember having to deal with grease as well.
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I almost did a racism. I was talking about it
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with Alex and Josh on the proper B -sides. And
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that was something I had mentioned. I had called
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it pomade. Oh, yeah. I know pomade. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah. I was like, did you guys not use that?
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Because I... the way i grew up like i always
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had this i'm surprised if they haven't the slick
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back hair and i used it's called three flowers
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that was the pomade it's just hair grease uh
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no my my boyfriend used a different one and we
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had to drive all over to find it because it was
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not popular anymore when he was still using it
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but uh he had he went gray really really young
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and when you go gray it changes the texture and
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so he would use it almost as leave -in conditioner
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oh yeah i know exactly the type you're talking
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about i don't know any names any brand names
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but i know the type you're talking about well
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it is just pomade like it says on it pomade but
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this one has softener in it softener is not the
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right word but when we go yeah when we go rock
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climbing he'd slick back his hair so it wasn't
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in his face and then for the next like Four or
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five days, his hair would be super soft. Was
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it Dapper Dan? No. I looked all over for Dapper
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Dan. I don't think that's even a real one. It's
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not. That's from the movie. Yeah. I don't want
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pop, god damn it. I'm a Dapper Dan man. Dapper
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Dan. I'm a Dapper Dan man. I can't remember what
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it was called. That's going to bother me now.
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I also don't know how you spell pomade. I think
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it's P -O -M -A -D -E. Yeah. It'll be one of
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the top brands in Canada, I'm sure it is. Speaking
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of bothering you, the Times Square card. Are
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you familiar? Yeah, kind of. I've been trying
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my best not to pay attention. Although it sounds
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like the Discord guys are going, so that's cool.
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Yeah, might. I might go to that one as well.
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We'll see how it plays out. Old Spice makes pomade.
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It must be making a comeback. Axe makes pomade
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too. Pomade sounds fucking terrible. Yeah, it's
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not a great name, but I used to use the Axe one
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when I had longer hair. No, I can't find the
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name. It's going to bug me. I'm going to have
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to text my ex to ask him what he put in his hair.
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It starts with a B. It's in a red can. It was
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only at Walmart, but it was only at certain Walmarts,
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and the city we lived in had three Walmarts,
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so we'd have to drive around to figure out which
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one had it in stock. It was fun. Sweet Georgia
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Brown? No, that's too American. Anyways, doesn't
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matter. I will let it go. Uh -uh. We're not letting
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this go. Tuxedo Club? Maybe. Is it red? Yes.
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Maybe, but I thought it started with a B. I do
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this all the time, though. There's that. That
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might be it, actually. Yeah. It has a very dapper
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-looking man on it. Yep. Yeah. That's probably
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it. But that's as far as I'm going to go in looking
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for it. I think that's close enough. That's probably
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the stuff. Anyways, it was fucking hilarious
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because people liked it, but they never ordered
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much of it. So we'd race the three other guys
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who buy it to figure out which store it was in
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that month. Why not order directly from the shop
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then? I don't know. Because I didn't think of
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that. You drive to Walmart and you get it. Yeah,
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I guess. It's also Walmart. A trip to Walmart
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is never wasted. You always come home with something.
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Oh, coming home with something. The Times Square
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card. I'm really going to try to fit this one
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in here. Coming home with all of the mental illnesses.
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Devin Haney versus Jose Ramirez. He's moving
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up to welterweight. So that's fun. Not surprising.
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Devin Haney's always shrunk down quite a bit.
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I don't think he's going to be able to do it,
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but fuck, I would love for Jose Ramirez to win
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that one. Yeah, so his particular mental illness
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is bitchitis, so that's fun. Ryan Garcia versus
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Raleigh Romero. What is that? Two egomaniacs?
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Yeah, Garcia's got multiple things going on,
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I think. But yeah. Ego being a big part of it.
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Narcissism. And Teofimo. Teofimo's just... That
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dude's bipolar and he's got fucking problems.
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He has been trying to be normal in interviews
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lately. And it makes it worse, almost. Because
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you can see he's trying so fucking hard, and
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at some point he always fails. And the crazy
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shows. And then sometimes he gets it back together,
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and sometimes they just end the interviews. Jesus.
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He was saying some shit like, I can't be a racist
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because everyone's racist. I mean, everyone is
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a little racist. Right. But that doesn't make
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you... Not racist. It does not take away... I
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don't know. Everybody has the thoughts. That's
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like saying I can't be dying because everybody's
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dying. Some people are dying more than others.
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Right, like in the Sylvia Plath, like, oh, everyone's
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a wilting flower kind of bullshit. The inevitable
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march of time. Yeah, but, like, I'm dying in
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30 years and you're dying next week. You're a
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little more dying than I am. Right. Tio's a little
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more racist than I am. And I'm more racist than
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most people, so. I don't know, is it worse when
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it's unintentional? Like, it's just, like, ingrained
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into you and you don't even mean to? I mean,
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I think, I don't know. I think Tio feels just
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a douchebag. Yeah, I think T .O. just has some
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problems. I'm hopeful that Arnold Barbosa would
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beat him, but it's similar to Jose Ramirez. It's
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probably not going to happen. No. And I would
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fucking love for Rawley to just knock Garcia
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out. How fucking funny would that be? For Rawley
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to beat Ryan Garcia? Not even just beat him.
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I want him to knock him the fuck out. Oh, embarrass
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him? Yeah. Oof. That would be something. That
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would be amazing. I would be so happy. Oh, that's
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it. I'm sure there's more shit on there, but
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that's the triple whatever. They had one press
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conference, and I didn't watch it because I assumed
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it would just be a lot of yelling and crazy,
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but people said it was more normal than they
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were expecting. Relatively tame. No, they haven't.
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The moderator was keeping a lid on things, I
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think. They also haven't started their cycles
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since they're not in camp yet. Fair. Bitch, how
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you do this? Yeah. Speaking of cycles, Dana White
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with his new shit. With Riyadh season and TKO
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Enterprises, this joint venture. Yeah, I haven't
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particularly been following up, but so Turkey's
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putting money in UFC now? No, he's putting money
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into a boxing venture that is going to be headed
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by UFC president Dana White. Ow. Yeah. Why? Right.
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That's the question on a lot of people's minds.
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Why are you doing this? I don't get it. I'm thinking
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they want more managerial control over the fighters.
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Fuck, that would be so bad for boxing. Yes. Turning
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into a one promotion league. Yeah, I'm not too
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keen on it either. Also, Dana White is a terrible
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human being. Yes. He's quite a piece of shit.
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Actually, ha -ha, shoehorning in. One of Josh's
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articles is actually about Dana White. Yeah,
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have you mentioned on the podcast that we're
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doing written stuff now? No, I have not. This
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is the debut. Yeah, the editing is kind of fun,
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actually. He's writing really short articles,
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like one to two pages, super fast. Yeah, that's
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kind of the... the level we need to keep it at
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the attention landscape is yeah not that great
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so fair but still I thought at first when I saw
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the name why not Dana White this is me encouraging
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you beloved listener to go read it because it's
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pretty pretty good and it sounds like oh why
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not why should why not allow Dana White to have
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a shot at the at Taming the beast that is. Boxing.
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But then it comes off as. Like. This is why not
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Dana White. Why not Dana White. Because he's
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a piece of fucking garbage. Not that. There aren't.
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Pieces of fucking garbage in boxing. Yeah. Let
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me quote him here. Which is why I encourage Dana
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White. For the moment. Entering the space. He's
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not subtle. He's all of the scummiest aspects
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of the sport rolled into one person. Into one
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visually displeasing person. I do like the not
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subtle jabs mixed in the article. It was fun.
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Man. I don't think people realize how good, only
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when you compare it to UFC, that we can say...
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Like, boxers have it really good. And I really
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doubt... Compared to UFC, for sure. I sincerely
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doubt they're going to want to give up a lot
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of their autonomy for what? For what exactly?
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Prestige? For getting fucked. Yeah, the prestige
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of getting fucked by Dana White instead of getting,
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like, lubricated finger -banged by your current
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promoter. There are a couple decent promoters
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as well. Shit, I'm drawing blanks on names again.
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Is it Al Heyman that seems like an actual decent
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human being? Yeah, he's more of a manager than
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a promoter, but same, same. I don't know much
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about the business side of boxing. I just like
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watching people punch each other. Samson? I've
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yet to hear of a Samson fighter that doesn't
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like him. Yeah. I mean, the really big ones,
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it's like anything else. If you're a decent human
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being, you are never going to be the richest
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person in your field. It's just a fact. If you
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are a decent human being, you're never going
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to be a billionaire because you will give away
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money when you need no more money or stop fucking
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people for every dime if you're a decent human
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being. Yeah, you're not going to cut anyone's
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throat to advance. You're not going to step on
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people to climb higher. Yeah, and if you have
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$50 million that keep bringing in income because
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that's how money works, you don't need any more
29:51
money. Yep. I have more money than I can spend.
29:56
I'm happy. Maybe I could pay my workers more
30:00
than a livable wage and a decent wage. Right.
30:06
Or you're Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk and you're
30:08
a terrible fucking human being and you don't
30:10
care. Yeah. You have five minutes of break time.
30:16
You get to decide if you're going to the bathroom
30:18
or you're going to eat. Your shift is 12 hours
30:20
long. Good luck. Yeah. I saw a Ragebait article
30:25
about... How did they word it? Because it was
30:28
the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Ethically
30:32
encompassing or something. one of those dumb
30:37
phrases toilets and they're the squatty potties
30:41
like you find them sometimes here in japan where
30:44
it's just in the floor and you squat right and
30:48
people were outraged that they were doing all
30:52
this stuff to make immigrants that work at amazon
30:54
feel better i was like guys it's so you can't
30:56
sit right like you can't sit on the toilet and
31:01
relax for two minutes while I guess for women,
31:05
it wouldn't work for men anyways, but you can't
31:08
sit and relax for two minutes while you take
31:10
a piss. That's the whole point of those toilets.
31:14
It's not to make people from India or Japan or
31:17
anywhere else feel at home. It's so you can't
31:21
waste time by peeing. Yeah. It's fucking stupid.
31:26
You walk in, do your business, and get out. Yeah.
31:31
so name to be determined of this venture i had
31:34
uh in in discord i had mentioned why not call
31:38
it whiplash boxing and it's not because it's
31:42
high octane uh thunder yeah entertainment it's
31:47
because you're you're gonna be a slave driver
31:50
with these whatever poor kids you entice into
31:54
signing on to this because you're gonna have
31:57
to start from the bottom up you're not gonna
31:59
sign names to your To your promotion here. Yeah,
32:05
I don't know. Do not let Dana White into boxing.
32:10
Fucking ridiculous. Do not allow Dana White into
32:15
living. I mean, we already did that. I know.
32:19
We can chivvy him out. That would be nice. Great.
32:26
Another interesting sort of format that came
32:29
up, the WBC Grand Prix. Have you heard of this
32:32
one? No. So, four divisions. It's 126, 140, 160.
32:42
I typoed there. And heavyweights. It's 32 athletes
32:48
per division. Okay. At least they have one interesting
32:54
weight class in there. 126? Yeah, well, 140 is
33:00
kind of in the bin right now, isn't it? Who's
33:03
that 140 that's... Or is that Garcia and all
33:07
those guys? They're 147, aren't they? No, they're
33:10
not. Brian Garcia is not going to fucking make
33:13
140. He hasn't made 140 in five years. Let's
33:17
see. Let's check, because... You're probably
33:22
right. And I just assumed he was going to be
33:25
at 140 because Raleigh's at 140. I got to look
33:29
up who's actually at 140. I'm so bad at keeping
33:36
track of the weight classes. Last time, when
33:43
we recorded a few days ago, BoxRec was in the
33:48
middle of maintenance at the time. So looking
33:51
stuff up was proved to be a little challenging.
33:54
Ah, yeah. So Tapology has their rankings here.
34:00
Yeah, Tapology is a good alternative. Tiafimo,
34:05
Jack Catterall, Richardson Hitchens, Liam Paro,
34:09
Matias, Jaime? Jaime? Ortiz? Jemaine? I don't
34:16
think I even... Is it Jemaine? Yeah. I just assumed
34:20
he was... Mexican. With Ortiz. Yeah, I can see
34:23
why, but he's from New York somewhere. Fair enough.
34:27
I mean, I cannot say anything about names like
34:30
that. My name's like that. Regis Progray. No
34:35
mention of Arnold Barbosa. Is he not listed?
34:39
Barbosa's nine. What? Haney's listed as 12. They
34:44
got Sandor Martin above him. Well, Sandor Martin
34:48
should be... fucking champion right now. Yeah,
34:52
they fucked my boy again. They did. I was upset.
34:58
I actually haven't watched the full fight. I
35:00
just watched highlights, but it really looked
35:03
like he won that fight in the highlights. Even
35:06
though the highlights were designed to make it
35:08
look like he didn't. He did better than the highlights
35:13
would suggest, obviously. Pueyo wasn't terrible.
35:19
It was just like a really slow start. Think same
35:22
way like Teofimo versus Lomachenko. Or Teofimo
35:27
versus Sandor Martin. Because I think Martin
35:32
won that one too. It was just a matter of like
35:35
once Pueyo got going, he started doing really
35:37
well. And that was kind of it. So it was just
35:40
a matter of like two halves. But I had it like
35:43
a 7 -5 situation for Martin. Fair. I don't know.
35:50
I just... They're never gonna let him win. And
35:53
he doesn't have knockout power. So he's kind
35:56
of fucked, I think. Which is not how it should
36:00
be, but... Yeah. Shouldn't be. God. I have a
36:06
foster and she likes to hang out on my footrest.
36:12
That... Cat. This time, right? Yes. Yeah. Does
36:18
she attack your feet? No, she doesn't. She's
36:20
a little sweetheart. That's good. She likes getting
36:24
in the way. Back to the Grand Prix. So, Ryan
36:28
Garcia has not made 140 pounds since he fought
36:33
Tank Davis, which was at 135, and he still missed
36:37
weight there. And that was in 2023. Has it been
36:45
that long? yes oh my god april what's the fourth
36:49
month april 2023 so he's fought twice at 140
36:55
since then and he was 143 and 143 and a half
36:59
that i mean if we want to get technical 140 .1
37:06
is welterweight that's the beginning yeah so
37:11
i'm just saying Fucking Ryan Garcia hasn't fought
37:15
at 140 for years. Yeah, I'm on BoxRec, and I
37:20
don't see where they're saying what weight the
37:25
fight is at. I'm on El Paso Times. And they say
37:31
140? Yes. Yeah, okay. That doesn't surprise me.
37:35
He's going to blow weight again. Fucking piece
37:37
of crap. Right, back to the Grand Prix. It's
37:43
a cool idea. It is. I like it. I think this is
37:46
a good way you're going to... The same way like
37:48
Overtime or any other tournament format works
37:52
where the winner is going to get projected into
37:55
something bigger. And you can kind of recycle
37:58
the third place and below guys. Yeah. And just
38:04
keep doing it. Like the Super Series that happened
38:08
a long time ago. Yeah, that's when Inouye unified
38:14
the first time, right? Was a super series? He
38:17
fought Donair. He had all of them but one, and
38:20
he fought Paul Butler outside of the tournament.
38:25
Okay, yeah. But he got those other ones in the
38:28
tournament, right? Yes. So 41 different nations.
38:33
41 nations. That's pretty cool. That is very
38:35
cool. I like it. And then, so it's going to be
38:39
five cards, 128 fighters. Man, that's, what,
38:47
64 fights total across five cards? 32 athletes
38:56
in four divisions would be 64 fights. Yeah. Yeah.
39:02
Across five events. Would be... 12? Yeah. And
39:09
a few extras. That's crazy. That's a lot of fight.
39:15
Yeah, but depending on the level, they might
39:18
not be all 12 round fights. Some of them might
39:21
be 10s, 8s. Still. Yeah. Just 12 fights of any
39:27
kind on one card is a lot. It is, yeah. I've
39:30
been to some like that with local promotions.
39:33
They tend to have just a ton of four -rounders.
39:37
yeah i was gonna say like the four round ones
39:41
but none of these will be four rounds i don't
39:43
think that's too short maybe the first uh the
39:48
first round of the tournament is the four is
39:51
four rounders and then they move to six and then
39:54
move to eight and then then they would have half
39:56
as many fight yeah that that would make sense
39:59
i'm sure they planned this yeah they they haven't
40:03
figured out but you can still hit me up uh suleiman
40:06
i'll hook you up i used to design the the curling
40:11
tournament brackets for the local tournaments
40:15
and uh we did double knockouts and man sometimes
40:19
those double knockouts with odd numbers of teams
40:22
just get so complicated that doesn't sound very
40:25
fun at all i mean i cheated and used uh like
40:31
templates and stuff, but it would still take
40:35
some time. Did you know that the baseball schedule
40:39
for like decades was hand done by a couple, like
40:45
a husband and wife somewhere in the States would
40:48
just sit down and figure out. And those guys
40:51
play so many fucking games. I think triple digits
40:54
of games. Oh. Yeah, it's like, what is a baseball
41:00
season? Like, 118 games or something crazy? Yeah.
41:03
And there's... Ah, the baseball guys are going
41:07
to hate me. I think it's 36 teams? I don't know.
41:10
Like, that's crazy to sit down and, oh, well,
41:14
these guys... But it is baseball, so you can
41:16
have multiple games in a day and stuff, but still.
41:20
And a lot of them are series. Like, they'll play
41:24
three or four game series. Yeah. But like, oh,
41:29
I'm flying to Toronto and doing a triple header,
41:32
so then we need at least five days off before
41:35
we fly back to Florida. Ew. I was just picking
41:42
places as far away as I could think. Jade Jones.
41:52
I don't know who that is. It's a British taekwondo
41:55
gold medalist. It's crossing into boxing. Taekwondo?
42:02
That's a weird one to come into boxing, isn't
42:04
it? Yeah, because it's all kicks. Yeah, Taekwondo
42:09
doesn't throw that many punches. No, they avoid
42:12
throwing punches. Interesting. Why wouldn't you
42:19
go into mixed martial arts? That's what I would
42:23
do. The women make good money there. The men
42:26
get hosed, but the women probably make pretty...
42:28
maybe more than boxing. Clarissa Shields fights
42:32
in MMA for that exact reason. Yeah. Hmm. That'll
42:39
be interesting. Yeah, I'm interested to see how
42:42
she does. She's been in... Taekwondo footwork
42:45
is really different, isn't it? Like, even among
42:48
martial arts, their footwork is distinct. I'm
42:52
thinking... That she's going to dominate the
42:55
pro ranks the same way that Tenshin Nasukawa
42:58
is going to dominate Japan. Maloney had him hurt.
43:06
He did. If Maloney had any fucking power, Tenshin
43:09
was out. Yeah. I still love that Maloney had
43:15
his little Japanese cheering section that was
43:17
trying to yell in English. They were so cute.
43:21
What kind of things were they yelling? So I think
43:26
it was people who have actually met him. So some
43:29
of it, I think, was, like, inside jokes. Not
43:34
jokes, but, like, phrases that didn't really
43:37
make sense in English that they must have used
43:39
in training camp. Oh. Japonglish? Nihonglish?
43:46
They were all English words, but the order was
43:49
wrong. That sort of thing. And a lot of nice,
43:53
nice body. Nice body, Jason. Is that for a body
43:59
punch? Yeah, yeah. When somebody lands a body
44:03
punch in Japan, you just get this like chorus
44:06
of nice body. I'm sure at this point. And it
44:10
makes me giggle every time. they do not know
44:13
they don't i have laughed no i have laughed and
44:16
a couple times i've sat beside people who were
44:18
friendly enough to talk to me the one guy was
44:21
like what's funny and i was like it sounds like
44:24
they're saying he's very handsome like he has
44:26
a nice body he's very sexy yeah and the guy's
44:31
like no i was like in english you would say body
44:34
punch yeah or shots or something but nice body
44:39
it just sounds like you're you know complimenting
44:42
his abs i'm thinking they call like this happens
44:48
in spanish too where they just call uppercuts
44:50
they just call them uppers yeah japan does that
44:53
too so i'm thinking that rather than say body
44:56
shot all the way out they just like oh it's a
44:59
body yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's what it is
45:03
and it makes sense but it still sounds funny
45:05
when you get like a bunch of old men yelling
45:07
nice body To an Australian man? Exactly. In their
45:14
very thick Japanese accent. Nice buddy. Exactly.
45:22
Yeah, that's great. That was all that I had.
45:28
Oh, I have something. Oh, go ahead. So I did
45:32
manage to get a ticket to see Kiyoguchi. So my
45:37
very random list of five fighters I wanted to
45:40
see when I came to Japan will be finished on
45:42
March 13th. It was Inoue and Nakatani, of course.
45:48
And then the other three were my own random likes.
45:53
So I saw Kenichi Ogawa, I saw Ioka, and Kiyoguchi
46:00
was the last one on the list. And just the one
46:06
missing, though. How many times have you seen
46:11
the legend himself? Tension? Yeah. Like three,
46:20
something like that. You are a bigger fan than
46:23
you care to admit. No, he just fights on other
46:26
people's cards. He fights on the Nakatani cards
46:29
almost every time. Because I've seen Nakatani
46:34
three times now. Oh, okay. Two of those were
46:38
really fast knockouts. Yeah, super fast. Like
46:42
the Astrolavio knockout was, why did I come here?
46:47
Why did I pay for this? Yeah. Could have at least
46:51
been at the boxing bar. Yeah, well, oh, I haven't
46:56
told that story on here yet. So I usually buy
46:59
from that website where you basically just...
47:02
Bank transfer money to the fighter directly and
47:05
they mail you a ticket. But Kiyoguchi is based
47:10
in Osaka, I want to say. Yokohama? Or he's based
47:16
in Osaka, okay. Yeah. His cutoff was really early
47:20
because he's worried about mail times. So there
47:24
was somebody fighting who is based in Tokyo who
47:28
I think the cutoff was the 5th? and i didn't
47:34
try and buy tickets until the 6th i missed it
47:36
by a day whatever day the cutoff was and then
47:39
i still can't find i think i figured it out now
47:43
but i can't find fucking tickets because if you
47:47
google their name and ticket nothing comes up
47:50
so i got in the chat with the the old men at
47:54
the bar and i was like guys i fucked up i can't
47:57
find tickets to buy and the one guy was like
48:00
oh well You can just buy them on this other website.
48:05
And there's one guy is actually a boxing promoter.
48:09
And he goes, I'll get you tickets. He's like,
48:11
what tickets do you want? Just let me know. And
48:15
you can bank transfer me the money. And I was
48:17
like, yeah, that works. That's easy. So I'm pretty
48:20
sure he just went to the place they're fighting,
48:24
the arena, and bought me tickets and mailed them
48:26
to me. Should be here tomorrow or the next day.
48:36
That's cool, though. Yeah. To have that little
48:38
niche community. Yeah. His name is Kenta Kaneko.
48:51
Because he has the same last name as one of the
48:53
people I work with. Kaneko, I don't think, is
48:55
that common. Or I've only met... yeah i've only
48:59
met the one so i asked her if they were related
49:01
and she basically called me racist i was like
49:03
you guys live in the same city and you have the
49:06
same last name and it's not a common one i didn't
49:10
think it was and she's like there's millions
49:12
of us and i was like yeah i know but you live
49:14
in the same city i've been using trying to learn
49:19
how to use ai a little better make it more how
49:22
to complement my life i guess so i typed in just
49:26
now Who are the current top 10 pound -for -pound
49:29
boxers into Google Gemini? Okay. So here's what
49:34
they came up with. Number 10, Devin Haney. No.
49:41
Wrong. Wrong. I know. Number 9, Junto Nakatani.
49:46
That low. I know. But it gets better as it moves
49:50
up, I think. Junto Nakatani's blurb, a very skilled
49:54
boxer that continues to impress. Number eight,
49:59
and this is wrong as well, Gervonta Davis. Yep.
50:04
No. He just got beat. Right. He just lost. Number
50:10
seven, Canelo Alvarez. Actually, I'm okay with
50:14
that one. I don't think Canelo would be in my
50:18
top ten anymore, though. Not top five at this
50:23
point. At the very least, not in top fives. Yeah.
50:28
Long -standing presence in the top rankings,
50:31
known for his skill and popularity. Known for
50:35
being a fucking ginger. Yeah. Number six, Jesse
50:40
Rodriguez. Really? Yeah. A very talented younger
50:45
boxer who has been very impressive. He has been.
50:49
Yeah. Number five, Artur Beterbiev. A very powerful
50:54
puncher and a force to be reckoned with in the
50:57
light heavyweight division. I'd have Jesse above
50:59
him. For sure. Like, Better BF is definitely
51:04
really good, but I don't know if I'd put him
51:07
on a pound -for -pound list. If you shrunk him
51:11
down and took away his power, I don't think he
51:14
would be that good. If you scaled him down to
51:16
Bam's size, I think Bam beats him. Yeah, that's
51:20
what I mean. Jujutsu Nakatani beats him. People
51:23
always do it the other way. They always make
51:25
the small guys bigger, but if you make the big
51:27
guys smaller, I think it's more of a test in
51:34
my imaginary pound for pound. Bigger guys tend
51:38
to rely on their power a lot more. Yeah. I mean,
51:43
Junto has power, but... He's also a freak of
51:49
nature. He's so tall. Yeah, he's very tall for
51:52
where he fights. After number four, Dimitri Bevel.
51:57
His skill and wins in the light heavyweight division
52:00
have caused his rank to rise. All right. I will
52:06
take it. Number three, Terrence Crawford. Crawford's
52:11
skill and dominance in his weight divisions keeps
52:13
him high on the list. Right now, I'd have Beeble
52:18
above Terrence Crawford. Yeah. Crawford just
52:22
doesn't fight very often. Exactly. Part of my
52:25
problem. And now that he's fighting in weight
52:29
classes that don't suit him, he's not... He's
52:33
beatable looking. I mean, he hasn't been beat,
52:35
but he looks like he could be. I would also argue
52:38
that... What's his name? Did beat Crawford. Oh,
52:43
Madrimov? Yeah. Arguable. And number two and
52:49
number one. You can probably guess which they
52:52
are, but which order? They'll have Usyk number
52:56
one and Inoue number two. That's correct. Inoue,
53:00
the monster continues to dominate with his power
53:03
and skill across multiple weight classes. Yeah,
53:08
number two is like at the minimum. Yeah, I'm
53:13
okay with people putting Usyk above Italy, honestly.
53:18
A long time ago, a friend of mine had an interesting
53:21
criterion for pound -for -pound list, which is
53:26
the idea of a pound -for -pound list is how would
53:31
the smaller guys compare to the heavyweights,
53:33
like you had mentioned about moving guys up.
53:36
So he never included heavyweights because...
53:41
Yeah, but is Usyk a heavyweight? He's a bridger.
53:48
Well, I just mean, like, he went up into heavyweight,
53:52
but he really is a cruiserweight. Yeah. And he
53:55
is the only person who's fighting people that
53:58
much bigger than him and winning. True. Like,
54:01
as much as I love Inoue, if you put him up against
54:04
somebody who's 40 pounds bigger than him and
54:06
at the top of their division, he's probably not
54:09
going to win. For him, that would be middleweights
54:14
right now. So what, fighting Johnny Beck? Yeah,
54:17
he can maybe beat Johnny Beck. And one more AI
54:22
list. Who are the top five Japanese boxers right
54:29
now? Oh, they're going to fuck this up. They
54:34
gave me six. But they're going to fuck this up.
54:36
It's not an order. Okay. I don't think so anyway.
54:41
It's not numbered. Inoue and Nakatani need to
54:44
be on the list, of course. They are. So, from
54:47
the bottom up. Kosei Tanaka. Okay. Takuma Inoue.
54:54
Kazuto Ioka. Yeah, maybe. Kazuto, that's a good
55:00
pick. I don't know if he's top five still, though.
55:04
No. Really. Like, being honest. Taraji? Yeah,
55:09
then Taraji. It's not bad. He's been winning.
55:12
It's not terrible, but it's missing the people
55:17
that they don't put in articles, because of course
55:20
it is. Yeah, Tsutsumi's missing, for sure. You
55:24
could even just tangentially mention honorable
55:27
mentions of Ryosuke Nishida and Yoshiki Takei.
55:34
Those are... Yeah, they... Top five is a hard
55:39
one, but I wouldn't put Ioka in the top five
55:43
anymore. Top five in my heart, but... Number
55:49
two and number one are Nakatani and Inoue. Yeah.
55:53
As one would expect. I suspect that that AI strictly
55:57
went on article hits. Yeah, that's how they're
56:01
trained. Yeah. Like, Ioka's in more articles
56:05
than Tsutsumi for sure. But right now, Tsutsumi
56:09
is definitely the better boxer. Right. Actually,
56:15
I changed the prompt to top 10 and it cut it
56:19
down to four. Why? I don't know. Here's the reasoning.
56:24
It's tricky to give a definitive top 10 because
56:27
rankings shift and top can mean different things
56:30
like pound for pound skill, current title holders,
56:34
etc. So I can highlight some of the most prominent
56:38
and highly regarded Japanese boxers currently.
56:42
So a top five list gives you six and a top 10
56:45
list gives you four. Yes. Makes a lot of sense.
56:48
Excellent. Excellent. And so Kosei Tanaka, Junto
56:53
Nakatani, Kazuto Ioka, and Naoya Inoue. As one
56:59
would expect. That must just be article hits.
57:01
It is. It even gave me its top sources. ESPN,
57:09
Boxing News Online, and Ring Magazine. Right.
57:16
Well, Anioka would have a ton of articles because
57:19
of his cancellation in his last fight. Yeah.
57:24
Double heartbreak. That was so sad. Yeah, absolutely.
57:32
Well, we are at an hour. Nice. Yeah. I'm going
57:40
to ask. How are you going to give me six names
57:45
for top five prompts, but only four for top ten?
57:53
I hate the AI shit. It drives me nuts. It apologized
57:58
and gave me more names. It does that a lot. Especially
58:06
if you ask it opinion questions. Improved list.
58:12
So this is ranked. No, it's not ranked. Never
58:16
mind. I don't even know who that is. Riku Kano.
58:33
Ginjiro Shigeoka. Shigeoka I've heard of, at
58:37
least. Yudai Shigeoka. I've heard of him and
58:41
their brothers, so whatever. They'd apologize
58:46
for not giving me 10. And then gave you the most
58:51
random fucking list of names I've ever heard.
58:54
Yeah. It's an odd one, Gemini, but I'll take
58:57
it, I guess. It's a good starting point. I hate
59:02
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59:04
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