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Banana Republic Trump Indictment in GA explained · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump indicted again.
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  Speaker 2: Ninety eight page indictment forty one count indictment handed down
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  Speaker 2: by a Fulton County, Georgia grand jury on Monday evening.
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  Speaker 2: They're calling them the Midnight Maga indictment charges. It charges
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  Speaker 2: the former president, charges his lawyers and his campaign aids
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  Speaker 2: with multiple crimes for a nationwide challenge to the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty election results. The indictment was released right around midnight,
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  Speaker 2: after a rushed grand jury process that took just one
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  Speaker 2: day to consider a complicated set of allegations involving nineteen defendants,
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  Speaker 2: including the president, across a wide array of states and jurisdictions.
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  Speaker 2: The indictment, by the way, does not fundamentally concern actions
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  Speaker 2: taken in Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: But they're indicting him in Georgia. This is interesting. Pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: He describes words spoken, in actions taken by the Trump
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  Speaker 2: camp pain in a variety of other states, and their
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  Speaker 2: effort to cast doubt on the controversial twenty twenty presidential election.
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  Speaker 2: The indictment charges several of the defendants with crimes merely
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  Speaker 2: for making statements that argue that the twenty twenty election
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  Speaker 2: was stolen. It claims that action or actions such as
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  Speaker 2: holding public hearings in Pennsylvania amounted to acts and furtherance
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  Speaker 2: of an illegal quote conspiracy. So they're looking at words
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  Speaker 2: said in other states for reasons to indict him in Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Other acts that are referred to as furthering the conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: include tweets by then President Trump encouraging people to watch
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  Speaker 2: public hearings in which allegations of voting irregularities were being
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  Speaker 2: made by Trump lawyers and witnesses. They're charging him with that,
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  Speaker 2: so he tweets out, hey, you should watch this court battle, right,
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  Speaker 2: you should watch this court day, you know, and see
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  Speaker 2: what's being said here. They're now saying that is a
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy to overthrow and they're charging him with crimes for that.
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  Speaker 2: The indictment also describes an effort to prepare quote false electors,
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  Speaker 2: which even the New York Times is called alternate electors.
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  Speaker 1: Their words not mine.
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  Speaker 2: Despite the president set by Democrats in the nineteen sixty
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  Speaker 2: election on behalf of John F. Kennedy in the closely
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  Speaker 2: contested Hawaii race, you may not know about that.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, this has kind of happened before.
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  Speaker 2: No one indicted him, by the way, for any of
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  Speaker 2: that Finally, the indictment also attempts to charge allege federal
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  Speaker 2: violations in state court. So federal violations in state court.
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  Speaker 2: That's not how it works, But who cares. They're seeking
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  Speaker 2: quote accountability in a democratic run, Democrat friendly jurisdiction for
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  Speaker 2: actions allegedly taken by the Republican presidential nominee in the
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  Speaker 2: last presidential race. Notably, there has never been any prosecution
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  Speaker 2: in any jurisdiction of Hillary Clinton or her lawyers or
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  Speaker 2: her aides who were involved in spinning the Russian collusion
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  Speaker 2: hoax which sought to overturn the results of the twenty
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  Speaker 2: sixteen presidential election. Because why did they not get charged?
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  Speaker 2: Because even then people thought as much as they had
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  Speaker 2: done shady there. Now, let's not indictem. She lost, Nor
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  Speaker 2: has there ever been any prosecution by the way of
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  Speaker 2: the wide shadow campaign quote unquote their words, not mine,
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  Speaker 2: hatched by Democrats to swing the twenty twenty election by
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  Speaker 2: changing voting rules in key swing states, or to suppress news,
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  Speaker 2: to censor social media posts about Hunter Biden and the
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  Speaker 2: Biden crime family, to silence the media, and silence on
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  Speaker 2: social media anyone who they didn't like it was talking
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  Speaker 2: about that and or even COVID and to encourage social
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  Speaker 2: unrest nationwide, which they have done, including Black Lives Matter,
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  Speaker 2: riding and looting in cities that they raise money for
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  Speaker 2: and encouraged them to do it and then bailed the
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  Speaker 2: people out of jail that we're doing it. This indictment,
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  Speaker 2: this new indictment of Trump, came hours after a document
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  Speaker 2: and this just shows you how stupid these liberals are
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  Speaker 2: was accidentally or prematurely posted on the Fulton County Court's website.
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  Speaker 2: It listed nearly forty counts. The document was then deleted
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  Speaker 2: after the media got it, and officials claimed it was
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  Speaker 2: a fictitious document, a claim many observers later contested because well,
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  Speaker 2: it matched the actual indictments. The Fulton County DA indictment
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  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump was posted felony charges for Rico and
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  Speaker 2: various conspiracies, filing false documents, etc. The list we have
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  Speaker 2: is pretty long. I'm going to read that list to
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  Speaker 2: you because I think it's important you understand what they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to do. They're literally throwing the entire book and
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out any way they can to go
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  Speaker 2: after Donald Trump. Violation of Georgia Rico it's racketeering, solicitation
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  Speaker 2: of violation of oath by public officer, conspiracy to commit impersonating.
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  Speaker 1: A public.
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  Speaker 2: Figure they say here, conspiracy to commit forgery in the
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  Speaker 2: first degree, conspiracy to commit false statements, conspiracy to commit
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  Speaker 2: filing false documents, conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree,
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  Speaker 2: conspiracy to commit false statements again, filing false documents. All
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  Speaker 2: of these, by the way, are felonies that I've listed
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  Speaker 2: so far. Solicitation of violation of oath by a public
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  Speaker 2: officer another felony. False statements and writings another felony. Solicitation
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  Speaker 2: of violation of oath by public officer another felony. False
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  Speaker 2: statements and writing another felony. Now some of these are
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  Speaker 2: multiple counts. The most serious violation of Georgia Rico racketeering laws.
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  Speaker 2: That is a serious felony. All the others are considered felony.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what it is. Now, that's what they've done. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So so understand this. This is this is how they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna roll this out. This is what they're gonna do
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  Speaker 2: with it.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump put out a statement and here is his
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  Speaker 2: statement that he has put out since this happened. Like
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  Speaker 2: Manhattan da Alvan Bragg, deranged Jack Smith, and New York
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  Speaker 2: ag James Fulton County, GA. Radical Democrat District Attorney Fanny
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  Speaker 2: Fanny Willis is a rabid partisan who is campaigning and
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  Speaker 2: fundraising on a platform of prosecuting President Trump through these
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  Speaker 2: bogus indictments. Ripping a page from Crooked Joe Biden's playbook,
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  Speaker 2: Willis has strategically stalled her investigation to try and max
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  Speaker 2: maximize maximum, maximize her interference in the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: presidential race and damage the dominant Trump campaign. All of
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  Speaker 2: these corrupt Democrats attempts will fail. I want to go
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  Speaker 2: back to Donald Trump's statement after he was indictment. He
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  Speaker 2: says this, combined with the intentionally slow walked investigations by
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  Speaker 2: the Biden Smith goon squad and the false charges in
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  Speaker 2: New York, the timing of the latest coordinated strike by
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  Speaker 2: a bias prosecutor in an overwhelmingly democratic jurisdiction not only
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  Speaker 2: betrays the trust of the American people, but also exposes
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  Speaker 2: true motivation driving their fabricated accusations. They could have brought
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  Speaker 2: this two and a half years ago, yet they chose
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  Speaker 2: to do this for election. Interference reasons. In the middle
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  Speaker 2: of President Trump's successful campaign, he is not only leading
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  Speaker 2: all Republicans by a lot, but he is leading against
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden almost every poll. President Trump represents the greatest
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  Speaker 2: threat to these democrats political futures and the greatest hope
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  Speaker 2: for America. The legal double standard set against President Trump
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  Speaker 2: must end. Under the crooked Biden cartel, there are no
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  Speaker 2: rules for Democrats, while Republicans face the criminal charges for
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  Speaker 2: exercising their First Amendment rights. These activities by Democratic leaders
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  Speaker 2: constitute a grave threat to American democracy and our direct
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  Speaker 2: attempts to deprive the American people of their rightful choice
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  Speaker 2: to cast their vote for president called election interference or
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  Speaker 2: election manipulation. It is a dangerous effort by the ruling
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  Speaker 2: class to suppress the choice of the people. It is
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  Speaker 2: an Unamerican. It is Unamerican and wrong. The Trump's statement continues,
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  Speaker 2: they are taking away President Trump's First Amendment right to
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  Speaker 2: free speech and the right to challenge a rigged and
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  Speaker 2: stolen election that the Democrats do all the time. The
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  Speaker 2: one who should be prosecuted are the ones to create
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  Speaker 2: this corruption. President Trump will never give up and will
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  Speaker 2: never stop fighting for you. As we all work to
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  Speaker 2: make America great again in twenty twenty four. Now, what
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  Speaker 2: are Democrats hoping for? They're hoping for this to be
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  Speaker 2: the one where they get and I'm not joking, a mugshot.
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  Speaker 2: That's what they're hoping for now. The Fulton County Court
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  Speaker 2: has said that's what they believe is gonna happen. They
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  Speaker 2: want a mug shot. That's the whole ballgame for them.
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  Speaker 2: They said they believe they will get a mug shot
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  Speaker 2: from Donald Trump if he comes in. If you don't
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  Speaker 2: believe me, listen to Fulton County Sheriff unless.
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  Speaker 1: Someone tells me differently.
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  Speaker 3: We are, we are following our normal practices, and so
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  Speaker 3: doesn't matter your status.
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  Speaker 4: We have mugshots ready for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's grinning when he said it. If you don't
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  Speaker 2: think this is rig listen to his voice. He smiles
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  Speaker 2: and smirks when he says it. The idea, the wet
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  Speaker 2: dream of having Donald Trump mug shots.
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  Speaker 4: And so doesn't matter your status. We have mugshots ready
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  Speaker 4: for you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah we will, he smirks and grins. We'll have
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  Speaker 2: those mug shots ready for you. We're gonna get you
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  Speaker 2: that mug shot of Donald Trump. We want that mug
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  Speaker 2: shot of Donald Trump. Greg Jared saying this on Fox
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  Speaker 2: News about the Fulton indictment and what it means for
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  Speaker 2: this country, and an activist DA.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, indictments, arrayments, and the expected one when we get
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  Speaker 5: this read at some point soon that this is going
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  Speaker 5: to be number four and that these trials may actually
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  Speaker 5: take place during the time of caucuses and primaries, basically
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  Speaker 5: consuming the entire next half a year of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: four of Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 6: Your reaction to that, well, I think the focus should
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  Speaker 6: be under the reaction of the American public. Every time
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  Speaker 6: there's one of these indictments against Trump, his fundraising goes
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  Speaker 6: up and his poll numbers rise. Why is that. It's
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  Speaker 6: because I think the American public realizes the truth of
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  Speaker 6: what's going on, that this is is Senator Cruz pointed
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  Speaker 6: out an effort by Joe Biden and those in his
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  Speaker 6: Department of Justice and local prosecutors in places like Fulton
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  Speaker 6: County and New York City to try to stop Trump
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  Speaker 6: from being re elected president of the United States. Instead
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  Speaker 6: of allowing voters to decide, they have decided that they
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  Speaker 6: know better and so that they're bringing in some cases.
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  Speaker 6: I think a specious charges against the president to stop him,
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  Speaker 6: you know, uploading the charges before the grand jury even
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  Speaker 6: voted on them earlier today. That shows that the Trump
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  Speaker 6: indictment here in Georgia is preordained. That doesn't make it
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  Speaker 6: legally viable. I think what's so troubling here is how
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  Speaker 6: the district attorney has contorted Trump's words. Look at her
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  Speaker 6: earlier court filing. She claims that Trump told the Georgia
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  Speaker 6: Secretary of State to find eleven thousand, seven hundred eighty votes.
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  Speaker 6: That's not what he said. Read the transcript. Trump said
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  Speaker 6: that HIMSS is looking to find some twelve thousand votes
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  Speaker 6: which represented his deficit. Of course he did, as Professor
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  Speaker 6: dershowitz Is pointed out, all losing.
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  Speaker 2: All these enkididates look for those votes right when they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to see what happened in a place like Fulton County.
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  Speaker 2: What's even more interesting, by the way, about this indictment.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just Donald Trump. We now know former White
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  Speaker 2: House chief of Staff, former Congressman Mark Meadows, has been
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  Speaker 2: charged with Trump in Georgia. The former White House chief
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  Speaker 2: of Staff Mark Meadows has been charged alongside President Trump
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  Speaker 2: and other defendants in Fulton County District Attorney Fanny Willis's
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  Speaker 2: investigation into the former president's actions during the twenty twenty election.
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  Speaker 2: The indictment handed down by Georgia Grand Jury late last night.
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  Speaker 2: The midnight indictment charge Meadows and his co defendants with
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  Speaker 2: violating George's RICO laws.
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  Speaker 1: That's a serious felony.
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  Speaker 2: According to the indictment, Meadows, the chief of Staff, like
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  Speaker 2: each of his fellow code defendants, is facing a violation
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  Speaker 2: of Georgia's RICO laws. He's also facing an additional count
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  Speaker 2: related to his participate a patient in Trump's January second,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one call with Georgia's Secretary of State, and
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  Speaker 2: Meadows was not one was not one of the unindicted
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  Speaker 2: co conspirators in Special Council Jack Speed's indictment related to
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  Speaker 2: conduct after the election, leading the speculation the former chief
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  Speaker 2: of staff could be assisting the federal investigation. The Justice
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  Speaker 2: Department previously decided not to pursue contempt charges against the
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  Speaker 2: Meadow after he stopped cooperating with the January The House
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  Speaker 2: January sixth Committee. Hutcheson, one of Meadow's former top aides,
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  Speaker 2: was a key witness for the panel. The forty one
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  Speaker 2: count indictment charges former President Trump, his lawyers, and his
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  Speaker 2: campaign aids with multiple crimes for a nationwide challenge. The
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  Speaker 2: indictment was released close to midnight. The indictment does not
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  Speaker 2: fundamentally concern actions taken in Georgia quote unquote, but describes
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  Speaker 2: words spoken and actions taken by Trump campaign in a
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  Speaker 2: variety of other states in their effort to cast doubt
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  Speaker 2: on the controversial twenty twenty presidential election. It was obviously
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  Speaker 2: done under the oh, well it's COVID, so we got
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  Speaker 2: to change the way we run an election. The fact
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  Speaker 2: that DA's and there's some activist das out there, but
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  Speaker 2: this DA good, Like God help us. This case is
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  Speaker 2: the most absurd case I've ever seen. And the question
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  Speaker 2: now is what happens because of this? Now, let me
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  Speaker 2: explain what I mean by that and how this connects
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  Speaker 2: directly to what's been going on with the Biden crime family.
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  Speaker 2: If this is the new standard of justice in this country,
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  Speaker 2: then immediately there should be one hundred conservative das that
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  Speaker 2: start charging Joe Biden with crimes and Hunter Biden with
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  Speaker 2: crimes based on what we know. Just say, screw it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not waiting for the federal government to do it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to randomly charge crimes. That's what they
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  Speaker 2: just did in Georgia. I'm going to charge you for
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  Speaker 2: things that are even out of this jurisdiction, right, because
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  Speaker 2: that's what they just did in Georgia. You look at
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  Speaker 2: these charges, you look at the dates that were posted
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  Speaker 2: earlier today via the Fulton County Clerk, Right, the Fulton
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  Speaker 2: County Clerk lied when it's that it was a fictitious
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  Speaker 2: document that was uploaded accidentally online, and then the real
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  Speaker 2: document came out and matches the other one. So so
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  Speaker 2: if you want to know how scumbaggery, how much scumbaggery
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  Speaker 2: is going on for this Fulton Candia the first time
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  Speaker 2: she has a chance to make a public statement about
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump and the accidental you know, indictment that was
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  Speaker 2: loaded up online and then they had to pull it down.
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  Speaker 2: Then they said it was a fictitious document. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a fictitious document. It's the same basically damned document they
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  Speaker 2: put up a couple hours later. So they've already lied
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  Speaker 2: to you. They said their words, it was a fictitious document.
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  Speaker 2: These are the people you can't trust. And again I
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  Speaker 2: go back to this rule of law. If you can
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  Speaker 2: now charge people for things that have been done all
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  Speaker 2: over the country, okay, all over the country, not in
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  Speaker 2: your jurisdiction, and you can take federal things and bring
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  Speaker 2: them into the local and just go forward any way
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  Speaker 2: you want to the wild West here of legal you know,
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  Speaker 2: just grab anything. Then there should be hundreds of DA's
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  Speaker 2: this morning. They're going, all right, well, fine, if this
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  Speaker 2: is how the judicial system is now going to work,
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  Speaker 2: then we're all gonna charge Donald Trump with crimes.
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  Speaker 1: We're all gonna charge on her buying with crimes.
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  Speaker 2: We're all gonna charge them with crimes, and actual evidence
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  Speaker 2: we have at crimes. By the way, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: that to happen in this country. And what scares me
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  Speaker 2: the most is the Georgia grand jury four person who
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  Speaker 2: went out there and looks like a psycho and is
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  Speaker 2: smirking about the idea and talking about how amazing it
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  Speaker 2: would be to hand documents to Donald Trump and to
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  Speaker 2: indict Donald Trump. Never forget, this is the grand jury
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about here. Let me just go back and
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  Speaker 2: remind you of the Georgia Trump grand jury four person.
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  Speaker 2: She fantasized about indicting Donald Trump. How do we know
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  Speaker 2: this because she actually talked about it on TV. The
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  Speaker 2: four person the Georgia Trump Election Probe did interviews because
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to be famous. She was on CNN in
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  Speaker 2: a exclusive interview. Then she did a bunch of others
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  Speaker 2: and this is what she said on CNN.
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  Speaker 7: There are indictments recommended, of course, is it more than
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  Speaker 7: twelve people?
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  Speaker 4: Is in more than twenty people?
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  Speaker 8: I think if you look at the page numbers of
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  Speaker 8: the port there's about six pages in the middle that
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  Speaker 8: got cut out a laugh for spacing.
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  Speaker 4: It's not a short list, not a short list more.
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  Speaker 4: I mean when it comes to.
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  Speaker 2: Seventy five wines, you hear a giggle, Right, it's not
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  Speaker 2: a short list.
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  Speaker 1: Ha huh.
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  Speaker 2: She's excited, folks, she got to make double space indictments.
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  Speaker 2: She's really proud of this, right, and she's laughing at
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  Speaker 2: the idea of how many names on a page.
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  Speaker 1: She's trying to destroy their lives.
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  Speaker 4: This is like, it's not I assume, of course, right,
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  Speaker 4: seventy five people? Would you hear? Prize it as twenty
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  Speaker 4: ish people?
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  Speaker 8: I can't say I counted.
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  Speaker 4: More than a dozen though, I think i'd heard you
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  Speaker 4: say in another interview. I believe, sir, it's probably a
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  Speaker 4: good assumption the name.
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  Speaker 2: She's smiling and grinning at the camera. I put this
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  Speaker 2: up on Twitter so you guys can see it. You
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: can go look at it Ben Ferguson show on Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: and you can watch the mannerism. She's smiling, she's laughing,
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  Speaker 2: she's kind of winking.
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  Speaker 1: She's just giddy as.
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  Speaker 2: She's doing this interview over the idea that she's going
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  Speaker 2: to indict Donald Trump and pages of other people.
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  Speaker 7: That everyone wants to know about is former President Trump?
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  Speaker 7: Did you recommend charges against Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 8: I really don't want to share something that the judgement
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  Speaker 8: of conscious decision got to share. I will tell you
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  Speaker 8: that it was a process where.
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  Speaker 4: We heard his name a lot.
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  Speaker 8: We definitely heard a lot about former President Trump, and
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  Speaker 8: we definitely.
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  Speaker 4: Discussed him a lot in the room.
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  Speaker 8: And I will say that when this list comes out,
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  Speaker 8: you wouldn't they're no major plot twists waiting for you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is like some psycho from some true
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  Speaker 2: crime podcast. This is a This is like the biggest
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  Speaker 2: accomplishment of this psycho's life. And she's there and this
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  Speaker 2: she's appearing on TV. She's the fourth person for the
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  Speaker 2: Georgia grand jury probing Trump, giggling, it's not a short
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  Speaker 2: list of these indictments. That's not the only place that
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  Speaker 2: she did in interview.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She also continued her media tour, right because she became
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  Speaker 2: a media in Darling instantly right. She hates Trump, the
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  Speaker 2: Georgia Trump grand juror. On decision not to subpoena Trump,
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to hear from the former president, she said,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: listen to her on MSNBC.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Did you personally want to hear from the former I
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: wanted to hear from the former president. But honestly, I
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: kind of wanted to subpoena the former president because I
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: got to swear everybody in, and so I thought it'd
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: be really cool to get sixty seconds with President Trump
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: of me looking at him and being like, do you
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: solemnly swear I'm me getting to swear him in. I
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: just I kind of thought that would be an awesome bombit.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: I thought that would be an awesome moment.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: So you want to diet a former president of the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: United States of America because you want to have an
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: awesome moment where you swear him in no legal basis
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: for it, for doing this. No, she just wanted to
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: have the moment. And as she's telling this story, by
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the way, she's grinning from ear to ear, she's so excited.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: She just loves this idea, can't wait for this to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: become a reality for her. Right this is the greatest moment.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It would just be so cool to have sixty seconds
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: with Donald Trump where I'm swearing him in. This is
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the Fulton County indictment. Listen to her voice again. Listen
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: carefully to the way that she describes it former President.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: But honestly, I kind of wanted to subpoena the former
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: president because I got to swear everybody in, and so
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I thought it'd be really cool to get sixty seconds
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: with President Trump of me looking at him and being like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: do you sol me swear and be getting to swear
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: him in. I just I kind of just thought that
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: would be an awesome moment. I can see how trying
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: to get the former president to come talk to us.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Would have been.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: A year in negotiation by itself.
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: So it sounds like that was ultimately a battle that
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: you all decided not to wait exactly.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: That's that's kind of how it.
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Ended up was that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I'd be fascinated by what he said. But do you
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: think he would have come in and said anything groundbreaking
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: or just the same kind of thing we've heard.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: So at some.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Point you don't need to hear fifty people say the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: same thing, you know what I mean? At some point
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: you kind of start to get the gist.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: You kind of start to get the gist. Really, So
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: this is who is making these decisions. This is what
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: this decision looks like. This is how this is going
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to go down. If you want to know how filled
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: with crap this indictment is. Just take the words of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the grand the four person. I just really wanted to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: swear him. That would be a cool moment for me.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: I just it was lots of pages with lots of
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: names of people that we were indicting. This is it
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: was just amazing. It was so much fun, and I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: just had this moment where I just wanted to swear
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: him in Fulton County, DA. By the way, Dodging questions
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: about the leak Trump indictment, I'm not an expert on
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: clerk duty, she says, acting like it was a menion that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Screwed that up. Even then they even though they lied
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 10: Listen, I am not an expert on clerk's duties or
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: even administrative duties. I wouldn't know how to work that system,
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: and so I'm not going to speculate next question.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not answering any more questions on that next question.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not an expert on clerk duties. So you lied
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and said that that was a fictitious document when clearly
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. MSNBC this morning they're having a wet dream
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: over this, and they're saying there's so many unindicted co
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: conspirators in this ninety eight page indictment, it's kind of
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: hard to figure out, you know, where they're going with this, right,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and who are the cooperating witnesses? Who is working with
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: the government. Listen carefully, phone call with Georgia's secretary of state.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: He was with the former president every step of the
• 23:14
  Speaker 9: way as he tried to overturn the twenty twenty election results.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: Read in on Eastman's plan, the plot with the vice
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: president and the rest, and we know he is one
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: of the unnamed co conspirators in Jack Smith's January sixth investigation. So,
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: of course is Rudy Giuliani, and Glenn Kershner. Let's go
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: a little further on this idea. First of all, again
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: the stunning fall from grace for a man who was
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: once credibly known as America's mayor now facing criminal charges,
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: Rudy Giuliani. But whether it's Giuliani, or it's Meadows, or
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: it's Jenna Ellis or Sidney Powell, the list goes on
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: and on and on. Please weigh in on those other
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: names beyond Trump who are part of his conspiracy. Two
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: parter one would be do you think some of them
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: indeed may be inclined to cooperate? And secondly, was there
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: anybody whose name didn't appear yesterday that struck you that
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: might think, well, that person might already be helping out.
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Jonathan, great questions. And there are so many unindicted
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: co conspirators that our referenced sort of peppered throughout this
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: ninety eight page indictment. It's kind of hard to figure
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: out who they all are and whether they are in
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: fact cooperating witnesses, which you know when we see when
• 24:26
  Speaker 11: old prosecutors and criminal litigators see that term unindicted co
• 24:30
  Speaker 11: conspirator in an indictment, I think our mind automatically leaps to, oh,
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: they must be cooperating. I don't think we can yet
• 24:38
  Speaker 11: say how many cooperators Fawnie Willis may have cultivated and
• 24:43
  Speaker 11: may have the benefit of the evidence they can bring
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: to the table and the prosecution of the nineteen charge defendants.
• 24:50
  Speaker 11: With respect to the indictment generally, I think it's really
• 24:53
  Speaker 11: interesting to see kind of the tactical choices made by
• 24:57
  Speaker 11: Jack Smith versus the tactical choices made by Fawnie Willis.
• 25:02
  Speaker 11: You know, Jack Smith's prosecution, the prosecution in Washington, d c.
• 25:06
  Speaker 11: Not to be confused with the federal prosecution in Florida,
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: for the document's crimes, seems to be built for speed
• 25:15
  Speaker 11: and alacrity, to the extent anything in the criminal justice
• 25:18
  Speaker 11: system can never move with alacrity because it is simply
• 25:21
  Speaker 11: one charged defendant. And it seems like Jack Smith jettison
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: some crimes that some of us were expecting to see,
• 25:29
  Speaker 11: like the insurrection, which was one of the crimes referred
• 25:32
  Speaker 11: by the January sixth House Select Committee, and he seems
• 25:35
  Speaker 11: determined to get that case to trial quickly, whereas Fawnie
• 25:39
  Speaker 11: Willis's case seems to be built as a comprehensive vehicle,
• 25:43
  Speaker 11: a comprehensive prosecution to hold accountable everybody who committed Georgia
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: state election crimes. Two very different approaches. I think once
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: I saw Mark Meadows as a charged defendant in the
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: Georgia indictment, mind again immediately leapt to, well, maybe he's
• 26:02
  Speaker 11: not cooperating.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: And yet, by the way, I love this.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: This is a one two, three, four, five, six, seven,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: eight person panel on MSNBC living out their sick dream,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: which is to indict not just Trump, right, because it'd
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: be really fun to do, but everyone that's ever talked
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to Donald Trump, anyone ever around Donald Trump. That's now
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: what this has turned into.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: This is all.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: About them saying here is our enemies lists, and let's
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: own it. Will indict anyone that's ever talked, been around,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: worked with Donald Trump, and will ruin all of their lives,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: will make them all lawyer up. It'll be game on.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: And that's how we're gonna pull this off. And that's
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: why that four person was talking so giddily about, Oh,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I just it would just you know, this dream of
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: having that sixty seconds with Donald Trump to swear him in,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: That would just be so cool for me. This is
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: not serious, folks. This has Banana Republic