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E45: Lost in Trans Nation with Dr. Miriam Grossman · The Lila Rose Show

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When a person wants to assume a new identity, we have to ask why
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is that? The new identity is a solution
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and we have to discover to what is it a solution?
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Because no one can change their sex.
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Sex is determined at conception. Hey everybody, Welcome back to
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the Lila Rose Podcast. Today I'll be interviewing Dr.
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Miriam Grossman, who's a board certified child and adolescent
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psychiatrist. She's written several books,
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including the forthcoming book Lost in Transnation, which is
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her guidebook for parents in today's world that is beset with
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gender ideology and the narrative that is taking hold of
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many children today about how they should and can be
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transgendered. Dr. Marian Grossman, someone
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I've I've actually known for over a decade and a half.
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I met her as a college freshman at UCLA.
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At the time, she had just come out with her first book, which
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is called Unprotected. A campus psychiatrist reveals
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how political correctness in her profession endangers every
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student. Now, she wrote this book and she
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talked in this book about the hookup culture.
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She talked about sexual education and its harm, the way
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that it is harming children and the way it's done today,
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especially promoted by groups like Planned Parenthood where
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it's sexualizing children, encouraging early sexual
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activity. She talked about the harm of all
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of that. But at the time, 15 years ago,
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Doctor Grossman published her book as anonymous MD.
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She did not put her name on the book because at the time there
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would have been so much heat on her for in any way criticizing
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Planned Parenthood and some of the major players in the sexual
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education space. Now, in a way, Dr. Grossman was
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a prophet because her early criticisms about the
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sexualization of young children, about the early gender ideology
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that was already being pushed on children, that were telling
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children that their identity was not connected to their biology,
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their body, but that their identity was whatever they
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thought or was in their mind, was very important.
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I mean, her early work shows us in many ways the logical
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conclusion of where gender ideology and the wrong sexology
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takes us and takes our society. Later, Doctor Grossman would put
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her name on that book, and now it's published under her name,
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Doctor Miriam Grossman. But at the time, it was so
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sensitive. I remember meeting with her as a
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college freshman, having read her book and found out that it
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was really her behind it. She was actually working at UCLA
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at the time, so it was a bit providential.
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And I asked her, can I interview you publicly on this?
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Because your voice as one of the lone voices, a child
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psychiatrist speaking out against the harm of early
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sexualization of children and how today's sex that is doing
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this is so important. And at the time, she chose to
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remain anonymous for a period. Now Doctor Grossman is out and
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about speaking loudly about the harm of sexualization of young
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children and the harm of the new transgender ideology that is
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just taking over in this country and globally and harming a whole
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generation of children. So today we're going to focus
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more on Doctor Grossman's upcoming book, Lost in
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Transnation. Talk about why she wrote this
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book. What you can do as a parent or
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just as a responsible adult who might have children in your life
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who are struggling with this, or school systems or therapists who
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are pushing gender ideology on your kids and what you can do
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proactively to protect children. But before we get in today's
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yet with your work, Doctor Grossman, give us a quick
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background. Well, sure.
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I'm a board certified child, adolescent and adult
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psychiatrist. I'm a medical doctor, went to
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medical school. I also did some training in
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Pediatrics. I worked for many years at UCLA
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Student Counseling Center with UCLA students, and there I
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became aware of the infiltration into my profession of political
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and social ideology. And I recognized how harmful
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that is in many instances to my my young patients, especially
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young women. They were coming in, so many of
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them with sexually transmitted infections, you know, pregnancy
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concern, having one or more abortions, and they were really
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suffering. I started to look into what
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young people are taught about their sexuality.
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I discovered that it was not at all about health.
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It was about freedom, it was about basically going out and
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doing whatever you chose to do at the moment.
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And that of course, is a dangerous philosophy to have in
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terms of your physical and mental health.
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So the, the way that I got into the transgender issue was in the
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midst of studying plan what Planned Parenthood and Sekis and
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these different organizations are telling young people.
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I discovered to my utter astonishment that all the way
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back in, in the 2000s, you know, 15 / 15 years ago, even 20 years
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ago, kids were being told that they can have an identity that
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is completely separate from their biology.
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And that that is part of normal human, the human experience, so
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to speak. That it is not a disorder if you
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are so uncomfortable with your sex body that you actually want
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to have normal organs removed. And you can imagine, as a child
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psychiatrist, I was very alarmed to see this was happening.
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Frankly, I just, I just, I just couldn't believe it.
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You don't want to be exposing young children to these bizarre
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ideas about being born in the wrong body and about needing to
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have your body medically altered, permanently altered,
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and sometimes sterilized in order to bring it into into what
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they call alignment with your mind.
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So these are all bizarre ideas. Sadly enough, these days they're
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no longer considered bizarre. They're considered truth.
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They are not truth. They are not based in any
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medical foundation. And a few years ago, I began
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seeing gender confused or gender distressed young people and
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their parents. And I'll tell you, Lila, the the
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devastation from all this and the suffering on so many levels
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from all this is so massive and so huge that I felt that I, I
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really, I have to write another book and I have to warn parents
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before it hits their home. OK, so before you're sitting at
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the dinner table and your son says I have something to tell
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you, I'm actually a girl. I want to be called by this
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name. I want to be called she, her.
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And I want to have my puberty blocked.
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So I need for you to take me to a gender clinic.
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So this most parents are blindsided by this announcement.
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I've talked to hundreds of parents so they don't know what
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to do. They go to a gender clinic and
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then they're blindsided once again when the so-called gender
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expert just puts your puts the child in the driver's seat and
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says to the parents, well, if your son thinks that he's a
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girl, then you just have to embrace him as a girl.
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And if you are unable to do that, well, then you are the
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problem. I was interviewing Chloe Cole
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recently, who I know, you know, who is just an incredible
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detransitioner, had the double mastectomy at age 15 here in
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California. And she was sharing how her
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parents were basically threatened that, that, that
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typical line that you're, we're hearing all over the place.
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You know, do you want a, a dead daughter or do you want to, you
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know, a dead child or do you want an alive son?
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Because Chloe was having gender dysphoria.
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I thought she was a boy. And you know, you talk about
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this in your book. So this is the, the other side
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of the story that's not being shared is the, the impact on a
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whole generation of parents today who are being told they
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cannot protect their child. And in fact, it would be wrong
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for them to in any way inter intervene with this constant
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quote UN quote affirmation. Talk a little bit more about
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what parents are facing today and, and what they're going
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through, especially when they're caught up in the, in the system,
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the medical system that says it's wrong to treat gender
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dysphoria. You have to actually transition
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the kids. Correct.
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So this is the impossible situation that parents are put
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in by quote UN quote, gender affirming care by gender
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experts, gender clinics. And not only them, but, you
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know, they're, they're pediatricians and the
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endocrinologist and our politicians, so many of them and
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our president, you know, they're hearing it from every corner
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that if they don't affirms, quote UN quote, their child,
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their child might commit suicide and it'll be because of their
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lack of affirmation. Now, you know, that is just an
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impossible position to be put in because a parent knows whether
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they have a son or a daughter. And so they're being told to to
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ignore their their gut feelings, to ignore what they've known for
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all those years that the child, even before the child was born,
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they might have been aware whether they're having a boy or
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a girl. And suddenly they're supposed to
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deny all of that and put their seal of approval on this new
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identity, which does not feel right at all.
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The parents know the child. The parents know that the child
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has many comorbid conditions such as anxiety, depression.
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A lot of these kids are autistic.
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And the parents want to say, well, hold on a minute.
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You know, just a minute here. You know this.
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This child has had ongoing issues.
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Shouldn't we look at that? Should we look at the fact that
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during COVID, she or he was isolated and depressed and just
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on, you know, on YouTube 24/7 watching these transitioner
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influencers? And don't you think we need to
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just go slowly and look at stuff that's happening in the family?
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I mean, basically the parents are saying, shouldn't we just do
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a normal psychiatric evaluation on this child?
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Shouldn't we take our time and get to know this child and what
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their life is all about and why they might possibly be choosing
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to, to, to, to have this, this new persona?
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You see, when a person wants to assume a new identity, we have
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to ask why is that? The new identity is a solution
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and we have to discover through getting to know the child and
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the family to what is it a solution?
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Because no one can change their sex.
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Sex is determined at at conception.
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It is not, you know, we're hearing all the time now, all
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the time, you know, sex assigned at birth.
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No, sex is not assigned at birth.
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Sex is established permanently at conception.
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So kids are being told from a very early age that they may,
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they may have been told they're a boy or a girl by mistake.
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That may have been an error. OK, so just back to the parents.
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The parents are in an impossible position.
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They're terrified that they could lose their child.
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So of course they're going to go along with whatever the
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so-called experts tell them to do.
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But then as they go down that road, many of them discover that
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their child is just getting worse and worse.
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And that that, you know, the child is moving toward
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medicalization, the puberty blockers, cross sex hormones.
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And, you know, it's, it's really a dangerous path.
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And that is why I wrote this book.
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I want parents to have the information and the tools that
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they need to prevent this from ever entering their home, from
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ever getting a hold on their child's mind.
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They have to reach the child first.
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We're seeing, we're seeing like in states like California,
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there's even legislation that is being considered that would
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penalize parents for refusing to go along with the radical
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affirmation path that gender ideologues are are insisting on.
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What's your what's your take on that disturbing trend?
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I mean, this is already happening in places like Canada,
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but it seems to be creeping into the United States too.
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Oh, absolutely. It's it's not only creeping it,
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it's, it's here. I mean, I have stories in my
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book of wonderful, loving, devoted parents who were found
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guilty by the state of what they call abuse and medical neglect
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by refusing to go along with the narrative, refusing to consider
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their son, their daughter, refusing to agree to give their
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daughter testosterone. And they experienced, you know,
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the the ultimate catastrophe, which is to have your child
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forcibly removed from your home and placed with another family.
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And then that family goes ahead and medicalizes your child
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against your wishes. This is happening in our
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country. People should not think that
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it's, it's not happening. It is happening.
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I've I've met the parents to whom this has happened.
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What's the recourse? What recourse do parents have?
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You know, well, once it's, it's, it's far along, as far along as
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that. They do still have recourse.
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There are excellent lawyers that represent parents and can help
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them out of this disaster. And I, and I tell some of those
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stories and I have, I have two appendices in my book written by
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attorneys that are specialists in this area of transgenderism
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and what's happening to families. 1 is about schools and
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1 is about Child Protective Services, How to know your
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rights. But you see, Lila, I want
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parents to know all this stuff before it hits them.
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OK. That's the best thing to be
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educated beforehand. You can put the school on
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notice. This is before anything goes
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haywire at the school, before you find out that your daughter
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is using the boys bathroom. You, you put the school on
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notice in advance that we are not, we do not allow this.
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We have, we know our constitutional rights and we do
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not permit any transitioning, social transitioning of any sort
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of our child. So you know, you and
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furthermore, we do not want our child being told about gender
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ideology. We don't want our child, we
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don't permit our child to join, you know, these clubs that exist
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in which this ideology is promoted.
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We do not permit all those things.
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So I have the forms there, I have links, I have a, you know,
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in depth explanation of what you need to do to protect your kids
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before anything happens. In terms of the families that
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are already in this terrible situation, there's also a lot of
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support that they can get from other families who have been
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there, from the many groups that now exist.
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You know, we're in a better situation even that we were a
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year ago or two years ago when families were really, really at
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a loss of where do they get information, where do they get
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support? And that's why, well, you know,
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I'll, I'll mention one other thing and that is my profession,
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the psychiatric profession, that psychological profession, the
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entire mental health profession has just simply abandoned
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families and abandoned parents. And they have signed on to this
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narrative hook, line and sinker. And what you know, when parents
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are distraught over the situation with their child and
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they want to speak to someone about it, unless they find they
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carefully are able to find the the right therapist who's going
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to support their position, their gender critical position.
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If they don't, if they go to a, an affirming or, or just a, you
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know, someone who's going along with the narrative of their
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professional organization, they're going to blame that
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parent and they're going to say you are the problem.
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Mom and dad, you better get with the program.
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You're transphobic, you are harming your child.
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Your your home is not safe. So that's another trauma on top
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How do parents find, let's say they're facing a situation where
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their child there seems to be exhibiting distress and maybe
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something that they believe could be gender dysphoria or
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discomfort with their body. And so they're they're looking
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for help and maybe they're in a public school or maybe they're
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not. I mean, some of these parents
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and families aren't going to be, you know, maybe they've avoided
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schools that they feel would be would weaponize, you know,
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gender ideology against their kids, but they're still worried
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about their child. But they're also worried where
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they can go to for like you just said, there's so many therapists
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today that are, you know, that are part of the narrative.
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So what? What is your advice to find good
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care for children who are struggling with this or maybe
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struggling with this? So I have a list of fantastic
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resources on my website, whichismiriamgrossmanmd.com.
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There's a list of there's one of the tabs there that says
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resources. And you know, I have a large
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number. It's it's not completely, you
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know, it doesn't include every single organization or every
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single place, but it does include a lot of them.
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The ones that I highly recommend are there and parents should not
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at all despair. There's a lot of help out there.
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There's a look there is it may be difficult to find somebody
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because since this is now at epidemic levels, therapists like
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myself have, you know, we're just, we're just flooded,
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flooded with families that are begging us to to help out.
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But there are everyday more and more therapists and there are
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organizations that have lists of these therapists who are
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available. And so I would recommend that
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they go there if the families feel comfortable going to
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through their church or, or well, you have to be careful.
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You have to be careful with that as well because a lot of the,
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you know, communities of faith have also gone along with this
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very, very unscientific and dangerous.
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I like to call it a belief system.
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OK, It's, it's a belief system. It has its own language.
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It has its own lexicon with words like, you know, cisgender
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and pansexual and, you know, non binary.
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These are parents have to understand that even though the
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the kids are using them left and right and they're even to be
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found on, you know, websites. The the American Academy of
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Pediatrics is totally with all this new language that is that
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is not based in anything scientific or medical.
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We are all, aside from point O, 2% of individuals who might have
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some sort of a chromosomal abnormality or a endocrine
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abnormality. We are all clearly male or
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female. Like I said earlier, established
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at conception, permanent only male or female.
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We cannot change our sex. We can try to appear as the
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other sex, but not without paying a price.
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A very steep price. You mentioned that there is
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hope, and that's what your whole book is about.
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It's a manual of sorts for parents.
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And to give that hope, despite the reality of what we're
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facing, to prepare people to, you know, have the preparation
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is the best strategy sometimes. But, you know, before the crisis
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hits, as you said earlier, what's the story of hope?
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I know we've just got a few more minutes here, but have you seen
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turnarounds, you know, where parents got engaged, they were
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equipped earlier on and they were able to prevent, you know,
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that future disaster of getting estranged from their child or
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their child seeking medicalization and, and
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transition and all the horrors that come with that.
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And anything that you can, you know, parting story, you can
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share of what how to do this right when when facing with a
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faced with a challenge instead of getting caught up in the
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madness. Oh, certainly there's a way out.
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And certainly I have seen kids, even kids that get deeply into
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it can be brought out. So, you know, one patient that I
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had got into this, you know, during COVID and she was
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already, you know, a kid with different psychological issues.
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She felt isolated from other kids, went through a very
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difficult, traumatic romantic breakup.
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Then COVID hit. She was online, you know, 24/7.
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She was on Discord, very popular place for these kids to go.
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She met a bunch of other girls, some of whom were identifying as
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boys on blockers, on testosterone.
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These kids heavily, heavily influenced her.
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This is a social contagion, OK, So our kids are picking up these
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ideas and these behaviors from other places, from other their
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friends, either online or in real life.
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So this particular girl became very, very influenced by these
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other girls. She began changing, withdrawing
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from her family, withdrawing from her old friends.
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The long and short of it was that she one day came to her
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parents and told them that she's a boy, she wants to be placed on
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blockers. The parents were were shocked,
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didn't know what to do, took her to a gender clinic.
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First question at the gender clinic, what are your pronouns?
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What's your name? What are your pronouns?
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Parents just were aghast. So like, what are you doing?
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Very first visit? Do you want a live son or a dead
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daughter? Just just like you said, Lila,
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very first visit, Parents, you need to get on board.
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You don't have a daughter, you have a son.
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The parents are just going, what the heck?
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They got up and they walked out, walked out.
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They, they found me. I got involved.
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We had to, you know, there was a lot of work to do.
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You know, I had to, we had to get the, the, this girl off of,
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of the Internet. And there's, by the way, in my
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book, I have another appendix written by an expert on getting
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control of your kids Internet use and monitoring it.
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This is mandatory because they're getting fed all this
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misinformation and they're they're making contacts with
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these other kids and some of them might be adults posing as
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kids that are grooming them. Anyway, Lila, I know we only
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have another 2 minutes, but this girl, OK, I put her on some
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medication because I saw after a while that her anxiety and
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depression was really needed to be treated.
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She began to do better. She began to realize that these
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relationships that she had with the girls on Discord were not
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healthy relationships. These were not healthy girls.
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You know, her parents brought her back into the family, you
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know, brought her back into, you know, spending her time in more
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healthy ways. Oh, they got her a puppy.
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OK. So she, she was responsible for
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the puppy and had to take the puppy out and got, you know, she
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got away from her devices and slowly she, she got back to
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herself. And so that it, it definitely
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happens. That's not the only case I've
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seen. There's many cases of kids
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desisting. It can be difficult.
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That's why you want to, you know, nip this in the butt.
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You want to prevent it from happening in the first place.
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It is such a tough time for parents today.
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It's a wild world out there and for kids, your work is so
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important. Doctor Grossman, thank you.
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Where can people follow your work and find your book?
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All right, so my book Lost in Transnation. 2 words Trans and
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Nation, A child psychiatrist guide out of the madness.
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It's everywhere. At least it was last time I
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checked. I hope that it remains
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available. Please do pre-order it.
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It's going to be coming out on July 18th.
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But you can also go to my website
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whichismiriamgrossmanmd.com and you can follow me on Twitter.
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Miriam under score Grossman, please do that.
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I'm I'm really just trying my best.
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I'm putting my heart and soul into this because I have seen
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too much devastation, too much alienation, and we have to get
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through this. But but you need to be smart.
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You need to realize no family is immune and you need to be
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prepared. Thank you, Doctor Grossman,
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let's do this again. Hopefully we can get you out
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here in California and keep up the great work.
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And very excited to have your book shared with our listeners
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here. I'm sure it will benefit them.
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Thank you so much. Thank you, Lila.
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Bye.