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JeoPARTY | Behind the Mic with Johan & Wendi · Neighbourly: Real Stories of Care and Community

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What does loving your neighbor actually look like? This
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is Journey with Care, where curious Canadians get inspired to
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love others well through real life stories and honest
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conversations.
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I think the thing you're most excited about is me being
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on. You don't have to do all the intros.
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Which is my first three words? So if you don't
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know what we're talking about here, I'm Johan Heer on
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with Wendy on with the Journey with Care podcast,
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And I'm gonna be joining as more of
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a presence on the podcast as a secondary host.
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I'm so looking forward to it. Yes. And if if you caught that that those
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first few, banters, I often have hard
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time starting my intros, and you've been, coaching me on how to do
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podcasting. And so, I'm glad that you're on this side of the mic
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now. Yeah. So it's gonna be a little bit more fun just to have
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another perspective, and maybe I can bring Wendy down sometimes
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when she's on with a guest and, you know, she takes over, that sort of
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things. Good luck with that. Yeah. You might have noticed that we are calling this
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series Jet Party. We want to do something a
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little bit lighter because we've had some heavy topics, and we got some
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heavy topics coming. And because I'm jumping on as a secondary host
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for more episodes, it's not gonna be every episode. Sometimes one of us will be
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away. But for more episodes, we wanna just give our
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listeners an opportunity to get to know us a little bit better, being able to
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connect with us as hosts. And along with that, we
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created this group forum on our website for our listeners
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to come on and chat with us, ask questions, get to know other
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listeners, and have those conversations. So you can already check that out
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and join that group discussion at journey with care dotca.
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That is up and running, and we're excited about that. So
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Yeah. I really hope people, jump on that because we do
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listen to our listeners. We do read every comment that they they
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write, and and I'm looking forward to maybe getting some of the
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questions that, some of you in the audience are are listening to and might have
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for us. It's gonna be good. And just to make it a little bit more
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return for their labor. If either of them falls down, Wendy,
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one can help the other up. I fell yesterday. And
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where were you? You weren't being very spiritual. I I tripped on my stairs.
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But pity anyone who falls and has no one to help them out. So
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we got each other to help each other out. So sorry for myself. Yep. Yeah.
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It's often used, misquoted for a wedding text. I'm glad
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that, we are both happily married to different people. But,
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it is important that we work together. And I'm a little nervous actually
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because we haven't, rehearsed this, haven't seen each other's questions.
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So this jeopardy game is you're gonna get the authentic
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us. Yeah. And back to the group discussion, it's called the Sojourner's
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group. That's what we've called it. So if you join the group, you are an
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official Sojourner of Journey with Care. Anyway, we're
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gonna be splitting this up into 3 episodes. It's gonna go back and
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forth for the first two episodes, questions that Wendy and I have prepared
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for each other without knowing the questions in advance.
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And then for the 3rd episode, this is where our listeners
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come in. We need you to submit questions. It could be for us personally.
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It could be fun questions. It could be for Care Impact. It could be about
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the podcast, previous conversations. Anything that's just
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been bothering you or you just wanna know a little bit more
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about us, you can submit those questions in the Sojourners group, or
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we also have a link on our website again to submit questions for
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that specific episode. But you need to have your questions
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in before April 13th
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2024 dating the podcast here. But please submit those
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questions so that we have something to talk about in the 3rd episode, and
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it should be fun. Alright. We are gonna move
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into our back and forth discussion. First of all,
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maybe we should just introduce ourselves. Maybe some people don't even
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know a little bit about us. I mean, Wendy, probably a
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little bit more because she's been on the podcast and kinda throwing tidbits
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here and there on her conversation. So you might already have a bit of a
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connection to Wendy. I've been on for a few episodes. You would have
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learned about my daughter Danica. We did a series of
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3 episodes there. So, yeah, I have 4
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kids. I have a son who's 17, almost 18, graduating
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this year. My daughter is turning 16. She's 15.
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And a son who's turning 14, who's 13. So, yeah,
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everybody turns a year older every year. So You too.
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Hey? Yeah. But they all have birthdays coming up. And my wife, we've been
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married for 21 years. And yeah. Oh, you
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beat us. My wife, Corey, she hasn't been on the podcast yet, but, yeah, maybe
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someday. We're gonna have to get her, on here sometime. I would love
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to to get her story. Yeah. For my family, for
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those of you that don't know me, my name's Wendy Park, and I'm the,
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cofounder for Care Impact along with my husband, Harold. He has been
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on the podcast once before. So he and I started
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Care Impact, out of just a love for the church
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and, for our community and across Canada,
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seeing the church in community. But we have a bustling
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family of we're 10 people together. I have 6
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kids, most of them older. The youngest is, like, still a
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teenager and, and up, and 2 grandkids.
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We live in here in Winnipeg on Treaty 1 territory. And
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what else is there to know about me, Johan? I guess they're gonna find out
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in this game. I don't know what kind of questions you've asked me. Say what
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I do at Care Impact or anything. I mean, I've been there for, what, a
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year and a half now, I think. Yeah. Just over that. I'm producing
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the podcast with Care Impact. I am the content development
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specialist for the last year and a half, helping work on the
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LMS to learning and equipping online,
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creating the school, which I've I've done in my previous employment
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where I where I built up an internship and our
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school and our online classes and all that sort of thing, which I'm bringing into
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Care Impact. So let's get into our jeopardy party. Jeep
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party. Alright. Let's do this.
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Okay. Well, I think we should probably explain the 4
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categories for today, so it's not like classic jeopardy. We're
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gonna ask the question, and the other person's gonna answer. These are questions that we
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haven't, shared with each other, but there's 4 categories,
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from 100 to 500 value and easy
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to harder. The first category is fun and whimsy.
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The second category is faith and purpose, and the third category
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is would you rather, and the 4th category is learning. And so I'm gonna maybe
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turn category is learning. And so I'm gonna
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maybe turn it over to Johan. You can choose your first
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category, for whichever dollar amount that
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you want. Alright. Let's go let's just start with something fun. Let's
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go fun and whimsy for 300. Alright.
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Let me reveal this because I have not seen it. So,
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Johan, fun and whimsy for 300. Can you share a guilty
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pleasure TV show or movie that you enjoy?
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Well, I have to say I love
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the Indiana Jones movies. Ever since I was a little kid, it it's
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always fed that that adventure part of me
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and my love for history. So growing up, like, I loved
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history. I would like, I was on the search for the Ark of the Covenant
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with my head in the in books because of Raiders of the Lost Ark. So,
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like, I love that stuff Okay. And The Office. Oh, good to know. And The
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Office, you said. I have still not watched that series. I I it just
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bores me. Wendy, what's your first one you wanna pick
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here? Okay. I'm going to I'm gonna get spiritual
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here. I'm gonna do faith and purpose for 100, please.
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How do you define living life on purpose? That's a
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deep one. Oh, sheesh. That should be a $500
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one. How do you define living life
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on purpose? K. You're gonna cut out the silence.
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Right? This is a hard one.
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Well, when I think of life on purpose, I think of intentionality. Are we
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just letting life slip through our fingers, or are we gonna actually do some
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things? And so for me, living life on purpose is being
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intentional about what I do, even doing hard things, whether that's
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learning or traveling or saying goodbyes or having
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new hellos. I think that to me is living life on purpose,
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and it also has to do with knowing who I am and who I am
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becoming and who god has created me to be and aligning
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those choices to that. We'll go with that. Okay.
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If our listeners have more questions on that specifically, journey
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with care dotca, and you'll get that in the 3rd episode. Alright.
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Let's go with learning for 200. I'm teaching you a really
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complicated board game. So if you had to choose between
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reading the instructions, listening to the instructions,
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watching me play it, or doing it, simply playing it, how would you
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learn best? This one hits close to home
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because I have family members that love board games,
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and explaining complicated board games to me makes me wanna
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run and hide. They I usually need warning ahead
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of time so I can go on YouTube and watch how the game is played.
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So I would have to say watching and then also just Okay.
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Getting on with it, playing this chitter chatter. Yeah. None
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of that. Let's get at her. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm with you. You you taught
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me a board game at our last, staff retreat, and, I learned by
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doing actually. I don't think you liked that game, though. It's too
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it it wasn't black and white for you. I did. I did
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because it challenged me. Dixit. Dixit. Yep. Was
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the game, and I actually bought that game for my family after for
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Christmas. So it just took me a little while to warm up to it. It
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was way too whimsical for me and abstract, but, you know, I'm I'm
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willing to learn new things. My wife hates that game. Oh, well,
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we don't play it anymore for that matter, but, alright, I'm
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gonna go for would you rather for
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300, please. Would you rather engage in a
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deep theological discussion or participate in vibrant
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worship? Well, I would I do
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like good worship music and being in a service
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where there's good worship in that way, but I am
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gonna lean towards, theological discussion any
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day. It it depends though who I'm talking with, but I I
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do enjoy theology. I do discussing things not just for the
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cerebral exercise, but I I could even be devil's advocate
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in challenging where we go with our discussion
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and and understanding the depths of God. I think there's always
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a mystery there that intrigues me. So, yeah, I'm
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definitely leaning towards the theological discussion. Alright.
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I I bet you would do the music because you're a musician. I really enjoy
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a good theological discussion. Me and my son go and walks, and we duke it
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out all the time talking about theology and videos we've watched on theology. We
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love that stuff. As far as worship, yeah, I'm a worship leader too,
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but theology is great. You can't have good worship without good
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theology. So What I don't enjoy about theological discussions
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is if we're just really rigid on when we say
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theology, are we talking just white theology? Because that's often what we reduce
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it to. Or are we looking at liberation theology and all these other
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different ways and perspectives and world views? That's what intrigues me
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because there that's what challenges me to get out of my white box
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and encompass more ways of looking at who god is and what the bible
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says. So that's what I mean by by theology, not just
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western theology. Alright. I'm gonna try a would you rather
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for 400. Alright. Would you rather
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retire early and enjoy life on the beach or work as long as you
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possibly can in what you love to do? Definitely
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the second one. I I don't even enjoy the beach, and
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maybe I I don't know how much I have set aside for retirement anyway,
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so that's not really an option. You did sign your
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life away with Care Impact, I hope. If you wanna support our work, careimpact.ca.
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There we go. Shameless plug here. Okay. I'm gonna go fun and
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whimsy for 100. Alright. If
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you were a superhero, what would your superpower
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be? Oh, goodness. Now I'm gonna reveal some of my childhood upbringing.
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I was very sheltered, and I didn't really watch TV or really get into
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it even when I could. You can invent 1. Oh, I could
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I like inventing. Okay. So I think I would love
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to be I'm a networker, and there's a lot of times where
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I'd like to be many places at once. Because I get FOMO. I I
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like to be at a lot of places not because I feel like I need
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to be at all those places, but I want to. I love networking and being
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part of some of the things that are happening across Canada.
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And I do like a good travel too, so I'd love to jump all over
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the globe. So, yeah, that's my answer. And when I look at your calendar,
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sometimes looks looks like you are omnipresent. So
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I try. I try. How is she in this city and this city all on
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the same day? Does it make any sense? Yeah. No. I I get around.
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I I make it work. Alright. Faith and
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purpose for 300. Okay. Let's
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see if you got an easier one. I I kinda shied away after that one.
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You you scared me after the first one. Okay. Faith and
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Purpose for 300. Can you share a favorite bible
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verse or quote that resonates with you? Oh,
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I'll I'll do quote and a and a verse. My favorite quote
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is probably by Tozer and most people know it. The first thing
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that comes to your mind when you think of god is the most important thing
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about you. That is Mhmm. My favorite quote by
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Tozer. And my favorite verse is actually
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an obscure one, which I've kind of run with for a few
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decades now. It's Amos 5 4, a part of it. It's
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simply seek me and live. Seek the Lord and
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live. So Oh, I like that. Amos
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isn't usually the the quotable that people come up with so that that you
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get, an extra point for originality. Alright. I'm gonna
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go with faith and purpose for 200, please.
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Can you recall a moment where your faith was tested and how
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did you overcome it? That's a deep one. Well, I can recall
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many moments where my faith was tested and how I
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overcame it. Many of you will already know I'm an Enneagram
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8, and I love a good challenge. And sometimes I walk into these challenges,
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and and those are the things that have tested me. But if you're wanting an
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example well, there's many examples that I could think of,
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but I I think my mind jumps to the time where my
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husband and I really heard from the Lord about
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quitting our jobs that we really loved in in ministry, and
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to let go of something that you actually really enjoy that gives
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life and purpose, and yet he's called you into something deeper,
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That was a test of faith for me to not know what I
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was jumping into. It's not like we had Care Impact on the back
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burner, a a glossy brochure in the making. We didn't know
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what it was that we were jumping into when traveling across
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Canada, just god chasing it and seeing what is this that we were to
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do and, seeing how god clearly revealed
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himself through that. Not only that, but the practicality of
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giving up 2 incomes when you're raising a family, it took
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active faith and just trusting in god. But I've learned through
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that. I've grown through that, and I often refer to it because now
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it gives me more boldness to do other crazy things. When god says it, he
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provides and and how he's been so faithful. Can you believe it? It's been 10
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years since we we've started this journey with Care Impact,
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and god has been so faithful in in adding people
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to our team and in our resources. I just can't describe
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how faithful he has been, but, I definitely was
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tested because Harold and I are not that type of
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spontaneous people to just simply do that. But
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Especially with the family. Yeah. And it it tests me actually now
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as I do a lot of fundraising and, and needing to to bring in
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resources to add to our team. The faith journey for me
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right now is that it's not only my family on the line. I
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have other people's families that are dependent on none of us
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are here, I don't think, for the money, but we are
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dependent on Care Impact flourishing so
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that we can provide for our family and do the work that god has called
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for us. So so now I feel a different kind of weight as I
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look at how do I support and grow our team as we have
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more positions to come that need filling in. So I'm like, k. You want
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this to happen? So we create the job description and the god stories that
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come out. You're one of those examples that that really was a
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response to to prayer and you heard God's voice and,
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we keep growing that way. Amen. Alright. We haven't
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had any 5 100 yet. Even though when I put these questions together, I
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didn't put them in any particular order of difficulty.
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I could tell. It's pretty random. But
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let's go fun and whimsy again. We'll go for 500.
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Fun and whimsy for 500, it is. If you could swap
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lives with any fictional character for a day, who would it be?
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Well, that is a hard one though. I would say Indiana Jones
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because it's my favorite movie. But Indiana Jones. Yeah. He's
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a true inspiration. But, you know, I tried
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creating whips as a kid so I can swing from things, and it it always
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ends a disaster. So, like, I you try to swing
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and you fall on your back. It doesn't work the same way. Well, I'm I'm
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gonna go for, fun and whimsy for 200, please. Oh,
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I like this question. If you can only eat one food
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for the rest of your life, what would it be?
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Oh, this is a great question. I have
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different genres of food depending on who's the cook
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is maybe a a curve in in that answer.
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But I would have to say if they were a good Mennonite cook, I would
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want varenikiya and schmonfat for the rest of my life. Like, I
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could live on that. I would probably die sooner too because of a heart attack,
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but it would be vranikil, which is like Mennonite pierogis
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with the the cottage cheese in there and then the cream gravy.
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Oh my goodness. I could eat that. If I was in Korea, it would be
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dolsup bibimbap. If I was in Ethiopia, it would be
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definitely injera and what? A good cup of coffee.
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Yeah. Depends which country, but, right now, I'm feeling the
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varenikiya. If that sounds good to our listeners, I think we
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still might have some recipe books out there available
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to make it My mom's recipe, she has it in the cookbook.
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Let me know. Alright. Let's do,
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would you rather for 100?
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Would you rather for 100? Would you rather fundraise
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or speak at a conference? There were 2 things
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that I don't like doing.
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2 things that I do. Honestly, I think I'd
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rather speak at a conference. I don't like the stage very much,
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but maybe it's a control thing. I have control over
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what I say at a conference, but I don't have control on whether
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someone gives or donates. And convincing
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people is not True. Is not a fun thing. It's
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just easier to speak for. I think I think fundraising, I feel a
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little more vulnerable there than if I'm speaking. I can
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be vulnerable from the stage. No problem. But
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fundraising, I think that's a Canadian thing too. It means that we
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need other people to join us, and there's, it requires
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a dose of humility to and I think there's good ways of doing it.
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You do fundraising. I do fundraising. But,
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it's not easy when we ask for money. We but we do
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want partnership for sure. It's my turn. Right? So I'm
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gonna do would you rather for 200, please?
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Would you rather participate in a lively Sunday church service
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or a quiet spiritual retreat in nature? That's
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an easy one. Easy for you. See,
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I I like the omnipresence. I'd wanna do both. I
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do like both, but right now,
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I could definitely go for this quiet spiritual retreat in
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nature. I'm an extrovert, but I deeply love
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nature and just being in the quiet, maybe because I live in a lively
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household and work networking with people all day. So
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right now, I'm feeling the retreat in nature, definitely.
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Being by myself. Is that weird as an extrovert? I
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like I could really hermit. I did that for holidays this last
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year. I I had a silent retreat in Cuba,
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with loud Cuban music, but it was all by myself. It was wonderful.
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Okay. Your turn, Johan. What what's it gonna be? Let's keep it
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rolling. Learning for 400. Okay. This is fun. A
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rich uncle just offered to pay for a learning experience.
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K. You should get him to, support you. What is one thing
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that you would love to learn if he paid for it?
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How to easily fundraise?
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No. How to hire a fundraiser?
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I mean, I've always wanted to take the
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podcast engineering course. I'm pretty good at what I do. I'm a
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professional. Engineer. But if you Do you like to
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do more? Yeah. Act actually, you know what? I would I would say
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maybe business because it's the business side of things which I'm
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kind of learning on my own. Mhmm. And with
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the enhancements with AI and all this stuff, I like, you
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gotta learn how to pivot in this business pretty quickly too.
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So probably running the business side of things. I mean,
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I I only do it part time as just
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to supplement my work at Care Impact, but it's still something I wanna get
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better at. So k. Well, now that we're on the learning
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theme, I'm gonna stick with that column as well. I'm gonna do learning for
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100, please. What is one hobby you would love
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to learn to do? Oh, gee. This is hard, actually, because my husband
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Harold always tells me I need to find a hobby, and I always tell him,
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like, well, Care Impact is my hobby. I love doing this. I wake up every
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day thinking, wow. I get to do this for a job, but this should be
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really a 500 question for me because sometimes I
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don't see the point of a hobby. I'm not judging people who have them,
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but, I think I'd like to learn how to fly a plane, actually.
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So if I had a hobby that I could go on a Saturday and
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just fly around somewhere, that would be really good.
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And that would be actually very practical too. See, every hobby has to have some
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practicality with me of, like, it could get me places too. Right?
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I could, It's you wanting to be omnipresent. Yeah. Yeah.
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It's it's helping me towards a bigger goal. Yeah. So flying
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a plane. Alright. Faith and purpose for 400.
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Can you share a moment when you felt a sense of fulfillment
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in living out your purpose? Well, that's that
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should be 1,000. That's a tough one. Yeah. That's a that's a
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deep one. I hope that's how I
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feel when I meet the Lord. Mhmm.
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That I fulfilled the purpose in bringing this glory. Answer.
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Jesus is the answer? I'm
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gonna close off faith and purpose. We have one question
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left for 5 100. So faith and purpose for 500, please.
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Who or what inspires you to keep going when things get
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tough besides Kathy?
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Yes. She she is an inspiration for me doing all of my admin, which is
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great. No. This one's easy, actually. Who or what inspires
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you? I would say the who inspires me to keep going
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other than the obvious, Jesus, because he got me on this path to begin
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with. But I have to say the children in my life
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and those in my community who are in
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hard places, hands down, they inspire me to keep
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going when things get tough because it's not easy helping the church
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and social services and all of these sectors work together and come
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up with a new way of moving forward in in connecting and equipping
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the church. Church can be a hard space sometimes to
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navigate in helping them being effective in community.
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And when things get really tough, I have to say, but who is this
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for? I have to say it's worth it when
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community is created and and those that are marginalized
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or in hard places get supported because we had some of
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those tough conversations, had those tough faith moments, and,
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they're definitely worth it. That justice side of me goes.
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Awesome. Well, I think we're running out of time for this first episode,
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so we might just have to skip the rest of these questions. Right?
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What do you think? Well, we've got more questions for next episode. So
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let's save some of them. Absolutely. Okay. So for next
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episode, our categories, they're gonna be we're gonna do another
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would you rather. We'll do life reflections. We'll do
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questions on character and community and
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connection. So still some fun ones to come.
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Make sure you tune in next week to check those out. And, again, go to
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our website journey with care dot ca. I think I'm gonna put a big button
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on there or banner that says send in a question so that you can get
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those in before April 13th, I think we said, for that episode
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in a in a few weeks. So next week, we're gonna do part 2 of
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this one. Get to know us a little bit better. But before that, I wanna
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do a rapid fire with you, Wendy. You you can do a rapid fire
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with me next week. For me? But what Okay. Fine. I'm on the hot
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seat. So quick, really short answers, but here
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we go. Dogs, cats, or fish? Dogs and cats.
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Can I say 2? Nope. Gotta pick 1.
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Caramel and cappuccino. Forgive me, but I'm gonna choose cream, the our dog.
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K. Beach vacation or mountain retreat?
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Mountain retreat. Coffee or tea?
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Definitely coffee. A nod to the Enneagram.
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Favorite ice cream flavor? Oh, I would
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probably go with the dark chocolate with a tons of toppings
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and, a little scoop of everything.
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Early bird or night owl? Both. Can
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I say both? Because I stay up late and I get up early. That's how
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I go. You just don't sleep. Comedy or drama?
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I'm gonna go with drama because comedy isn't always very funny. And you
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always say you don't like drama. I don't like drama, but I like
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you know what? I like Korean drama. Some of them. Okay.
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Okay. That's weird. I'm married to Korean. He he
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gives me my own k drama. Pancakes or
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waffles? Waffles with my mom's white
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pudding sauce on top. Also in the recipe book, I
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believe. It's also in the recipe book. I'm a big fan of all
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her her cooking. Okay. Bacon or sausage?
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They're both unhealthy, but if it's farmer sausage, I'm Mennonite through
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and through, so farmer sausage. Favorite season of the year?
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Summer. Books or movies? Books.
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I love my books. 5 at a time. Would you rather travel to the
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past or the future? Definitely the future.
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Past is history. Sunrise or sunset?
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I think a sunset. Pizza.
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Pineapple or no pineapple? I love pineapple on
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my pizza. I don't care if people judge me for it, but it tastes so
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good. Sweet or savory snacks?
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Both. If I had to choose, I probably would
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go towards the sweet in the
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chocolate ice cream area. Would you rather have the
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ability to fly or be invisible? Superpowers again. Fly.
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That'd be fun. It helped me in my omnipresence. Summer or
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Winter Olympics? Yeah. Yeah.
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I'm there for the food. Either. Either is fine. I don't mind either. I I
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do watch. Okay. Camping or glamping?
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Well, if it was just up to me, it would be camping. So I like
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to go camping with Janet who's on our team, also my cousin, and
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we go camping camping. My family is not going
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even glamping. I tried that, so I I ain't gonna stick with camping.
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Alright. Last one. Would you rather have a rewind button or a
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pause button? I would go with pause
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because I think we make good life choices and we can breathe when we
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pause, but rewind its its history. We can learn from it. I I
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don't like to live in regret. Alright. That's the last of our
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questions. So part 2 next week, again, head over to
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journey with care dotca. Send in your questions because we need
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we need some. We look forward to hearing from you. I hope you've
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had fun with us. That or you can have an episode of Complete Silence and
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that would be you can use it as reflective time. Hey. I also
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wanted to remind our listeners, actually, if you head to the website, you can get
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30:34
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