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Schumer Shutdown Rolls On as President Trump Honors Charlie Kirk · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: I tell you what. The government shut down fiasco is
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Speaker 1: just total insanity right now, and Democrats are now having
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Speaker 1: insane demands to reopen the government. Some of them include,
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Speaker 1: and this is not a joke, a three point nine
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Speaker 1: million dollar demand for the lgbtqiplus democracy grants in the
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Speaker 1: Western Balkans. I wish I was joking. The Speaker of
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Speaker 1: the House, Mike Johnson laying out now why your government
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Speaker 1: is shut down and what Democrats are demanding you pay
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Speaker 1: for with your tax dollars to reopen the government. Listen
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Speaker 1: to This would send a.
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Speaker 2: Half a billion dollars to liberal news outlets by refunding
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Speaker 2: the Corporation for public broadcasting. It would also restore up
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Speaker 2: to five billion dollars of American taxpayer funds for wasteful
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Speaker 2: spending for international projects. Here's a couple of examples. This
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Speaker 2: is in their legislation, their counterproposal on the sere to
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Speaker 2: keep the lights open. This is what they want to do.
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Speaker 2: They want to spend twenty four point six million of
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Speaker 2: your hard earned dollars as a taxpayer for climate resilience
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Speaker 2: in Honduras. They want to spend thirteen point four million
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Speaker 2: for civic engagement in Zimbabwe they want to send three
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Speaker 2: point nine million for LGBTQI plus democracy grants, and the
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Speaker 2: Western Balkans they want to spend two point nine million
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Speaker 2: of your dollars for desert locust risk reduction in the
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Speaker 2: Horn of Africa and two million for quote organizing for
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Speaker 2: feminist democratic principles in Africa. We are not doing.
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Speaker 1: That, Speaker Johnson saying it clearly, we are not doing that. Now.
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Speaker 1: The government shut down is also happening because there is
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Speaker 1: a date coming up. It is the No Kings Rally
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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. It is three four days away
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Speaker 1: from now, and it's very clear that Democrats are actually
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Speaker 1: being held hostage by the most radicals in their party.
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Speaker 1: Democrats must be a part of this No King's rally.
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Speaker 1: It's an organized rally to say that Donald Trump is
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Speaker 1: an evil dictator, tyrant king. And it's something that's being
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Speaker 1: paid for by the richest and the radical left, the
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Speaker 1: billionaires of their party. And so this is the reality
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Speaker 1: of the situation right now. Democrats are going to hold
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Speaker 1: this country hostage at least for the next four or
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Speaker 1: five days. Then they may come to the table to
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Speaker 1: talk with Republicans, but they're not allowed to negotiate before
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Speaker 1: the extremist rally they're going to have in the nation's capital.
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Speaker 1: And they're also making these extreme demands which I just
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Speaker 1: mentioned and you heard from Speaker Johnson. So if you
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Speaker 1: were hoping today when you woke up that you were
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Speaker 1: going to find out the government was going to be working,
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Speaker 1: well it's not because Democrats are refusing to lead. Instead,
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Speaker 1: they're going to hold you hostage and the American workers
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Speaker 1: and our government workers, including our men and women in
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Speaker 1: the military. There's also another aspect of this, and it's
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Speaker 1: even more shocking. Donald Trump figured out a way to
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Speaker 1: make sure that those that serve our country in uniform,
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Speaker 1: our men and women in our military, would get their
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Speaker 1: paychecks this morning on the fifteenth, and not miss that
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Speaker 1: pay period. What's shocking is just how angry Democrats are
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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump said We're not going to play politics
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Speaker 1: with our men and women in uniform. They are furious
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Speaker 1: at the present for doing this. In fact, they've even
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Speaker 1: threatened to use legal action and every other power they
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Speaker 1: have to stop our men and women in uniform from
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Speaker 1: getting a paycheck, Which brings me to another conversation that
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Speaker 1: I had moments ago with Senator Ted Krue. Senator Cruz
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Speaker 1: and I not only talked about the government shutdown, but
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Speaker 1: we also talked about what happened at the White House
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Speaker 1: today in the Rose Garden. You had the President of
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Speaker 1: the United States of America giving the highest civilian honor
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Speaker 1: to Charlie Kirk, to his widow, to his mother and
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Speaker 1: father who were there, with almost every cabinet secretary in attendance,
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Speaker 1: and some of the most powerful people in our government.
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Speaker 1: It is shocking that it's been a month since the
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Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk, but his legacy has only grown
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Speaker 1: over the last month. And the number of people whose
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Speaker 1: lives have been affected in a positive way by Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk and his words that they've watched and listened to
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Speaker 1: online has only grown significantly in the last thirty days.
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Speaker 1: His legacy is incredible, and I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: my conversation with Senata Cruz about both of these issues.
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Speaker 1: All right, Senator, so let's just talk about like where
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Speaker 1: we are to give the updates. This is something I
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Speaker 1: think it's important for us to do when it comes
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Speaker 1: to shut down what is happening now in Washington, And
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Speaker 1: I got a feeling you're gonna be like nothing at all.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look it's October fifteenth. So one of the consequences
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Speaker 3: is federal workers all across the federal government had their
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Speaker 3: paycheck not direct deposited. And so for a lot of
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Speaker 3: workers who are living paycheck to paycheck, it means they're
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Speaker 3: not getting the check that they were planning on to
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Speaker 3: pay their bills. They're not getting the check they're planning
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Speaker 3: on to go to the grocery store. They're not getting
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Speaker 3: the check they're planning on to pay healthcare expenses, tuition expenses,
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Speaker 3: all daycare expenses, all of the day to day expenses.
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Speaker 3: It was also scheduled to be the day on which
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Speaker 3: our troops, our soldiers, our sailors, our airmenham marines would
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Speaker 3: not get paid either. And we've seen online images of
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Speaker 3: young soldiers standing in line at food pantries to get food.
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Speaker 3: You know, many of our young, particular enlisted men and
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Speaker 3: women are living on very limited budgets and not getting
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Speaker 3: a paycheck is a real hardship for them. Now, I
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Speaker 3: will say the latter has not happened because President Trump
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Speaker 3: has done something that I don't think has ever happened
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Speaker 3: in a previous shutdown, which which is he has readjusted
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Speaker 3: money that was going to other expenses within the Department
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Speaker 3: of War. He's shifted it around to an account to
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Speaker 3: pay our servicemen and women. I'm grateful that he did so.
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Speaker 3: It really is quite striking that the Democrats, multiple Democrats,
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Speaker 3: are expressing dismay, how dare you pay our servicemen and women?
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Speaker 3: But on Tuesday, On Tuesday, the Senate came back in
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Speaker 3: town and we voted. We voted for the ninth time,
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Speaker 3: Republicans voted to reopen the government. I voted to reopen
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Speaker 3: the government. We're ready to reopen it. And the Democrats
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Speaker 3: came in almost party line, all but a couple of
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Speaker 3: Democrats voted no, no, no, keep the government down. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, Schumer recently said it was quote better
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Speaker 3: for Democrats to extend the government shutdown. Now, I got
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Speaker 3: to say that's a cynical statement. They're counting on the
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Speaker 3: media to be dishonest about what's going on. But listen,
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Speaker 3: the end of this is it's going to end in
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Speaker 3: the same place. At some point, the Democrats are going
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Speaker 3: to give in. And I'll tell you what most of
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Speaker 3: the Republican senators believe myself included, which is the shutdown
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Speaker 3: will continue at least until next week. And the reason
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Speaker 3: for that is on October eighteenth, on Saturday, there is
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Speaker 3: a big rally planned in Washington, d C. The so
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Speaker 3: called No King's Rally, where a bunch of leftist radicals
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Speaker 3: are going to be coming to Washington, d C. To
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Speaker 3: protest against Donald Trump. Because that's what the left does,
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Speaker 3: is they say we hate Trump, we hate Trump. And
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Speaker 3: what I'm hearing is the Democrats are terrified of reopening
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Speaker 3: the government before that No King's Rally because they think
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Speaker 3: if they do reopen the government, those radicals will be
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Speaker 3: fear and listen, why are we having a shutdown? We're
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Speaker 3: having a shut down two reasons. Number one, because the
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Speaker 3: Democrats want free, taxpayer provided health care for illegal aliens.
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Speaker 3: But number two, the real reason we're having a shutdown
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Speaker 3: is because Chuck Schumer is fighting for his political life
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Speaker 3: and he's trying to demonstrate to the radical left he
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Speaker 3: hates Trump as much as they do. And so I
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Speaker 3: think at a minimum, the shutdown will continue through this weekend.
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Speaker 3: The earliest we see the government opening up is next week.
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Speaker 3: But you know what, Schumer and the Democrats might make
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Speaker 3: a drag out even further than that, because right now
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Speaker 3: they seem utterly oblivious to the consequences of their massive
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Speaker 3: political obstruction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. And I go back to being
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Speaker 1: held hostage and the fact that Democrats are really outraged
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Speaker 1: over the idea of paying our military. I think that's
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Speaker 1: just really gross. I am shocked they're not taking a
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Speaker 1: bigger political hit and the media is just giving them
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Speaker 1: full covery on this one to act like their outrage
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Speaker 1: is somehow sane or normal. I actually think the American
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Speaker 1: people look at this otherwise. Am I wrong?
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Speaker 3: Look, I think you're right, although candidly, I think each
9:12
Speaker 3: side lives in its own echo chamber. So I think
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Speaker 3: if you're inclined to agree with Republicans, your view is, gosh,
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Speaker 3: the Democrats are being ridiculous. This is the Schumer shutdown now. Sadly,
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Speaker 3: if you're inclined to agree with Democrats, if you're on
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Speaker 3: the left, you're listening to see Ann, you're listening to MSNBC,
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Speaker 3: you're in an echo chamber where everyone you hear is saying,
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Speaker 3: it's the horrible Republicans, it's the horrible Republicans. And so
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Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason why the two
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Speaker 3: sides have very different perspectives. I don't think this is
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Speaker 3: going well for the Democrats at all, but I'm not
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Speaker 3: sure they agree, because if they're just listening to their radicals,
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Speaker 3: they think it's wonderful. By the way, their radicals would
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Speaker 3: leave the government shut down for months and months and
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Speaker 3: months because all they care is saying we hate Trump. Now,
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Speaker 3: here's how this is gonna end. I don't think Chuck
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Speaker 3: Schumer is gonna end it. I don't think he's gonna
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Speaker 3: show any leadership because I think he is terrified. He
10:11
Speaker 3: is hearing AOC breathing down his neck. What I think
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Speaker 3: is gonna happen is you're going to need at least
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Speaker 3: seven Democrats who decide, Okay, enough is enough, let's reopen
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Speaker 3: the government, let's stop this petulance. And I think it
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Speaker 3: is going to be almost exclusively retiring Democrats, people who
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Speaker 3: are on their way out and Democrats who are not
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Speaker 3: facing their left wing voters anytime soon. My guess is
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Speaker 3: Schumer never votes to open the government, but I think
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Speaker 3: he may condone. He may look the other way and
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Speaker 3: wink a couple of times at letting a little bit
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Speaker 3: of a jail break at letting eight to ten Democrats
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Speaker 3: vote to say, let's reopen the government, and I think
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Speaker 3: all the rest of the Democrats vote no, no, no, to
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Speaker 3: preserve themselves from their left flank.
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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Democrats who actually sit down with Republicans,
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Speaker 1: it's really something that hasn't happened. Certainly on the House side,
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Speaker 1: Democrats are saying and no, we have nothing to talk about.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that Democrats will be let out of
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Speaker 1: that jail once this No King's rally takes place? And
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Speaker 1: how quickly afterwards do you think we can actually see
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Speaker 1: that conversation begin.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, right now, Schumer is not talking with Republican leadership.
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Speaker 3: A King, Jeffries in the House is not talking with
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Speaker 3: Republican leadership. I don't think it will be Democrat leadership.
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Speaker 3: That there's a group of about a dozen Democrat senators
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Speaker 3: who are having conversations and they're talking a little bit
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Speaker 3: to Republicans. And I think the way this will end
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Speaker 3: is after the rally. And by the way, think about it.
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Speaker 3: If you're a federal worker right now and you're working
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Speaker 3: at say the VA, and you didn't get your paycheck today.
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Speaker 3: The reason you didn't get your paycheck is that Democrats
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Speaker 3: are scared to have a rally of radicals in Washington
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Speaker 3: while they allowed you to get your paycheck. I mean,
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Speaker 3: this is pure left wing politics. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: Schumer's comment on this, he said, quote, every day gets
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Speaker 3: better for us, he said, quote every day the Republicans
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Speaker 3: refused to negotiate to end this shutdown, the worse it
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Speaker 3: gets for Americans, and the clear it becomes who's fighting
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Speaker 3: for them. That is their view, or that is at
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Speaker 3: least the view of the radicals. But I think what
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Speaker 3: you'll see is among that roughly dozen Democrats who are
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Speaker 3: having conversations right now, you'll see seven, eight nine of
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Speaker 3: them say Okay, let's open the government. And that's how
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Speaker 3: this ends.
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Speaker 1: Final question on this. The President today at the White
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Speaker 1: House did talk about, Hey, you better get ready come
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Speaker 1: Thursday Friday. You guys don't get back on board of
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Speaker 1: opening the government up. I'm going to start cutting democratic
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Speaker 1: programs because we think there's a lot of waste there,
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Speaker 1: not Republican programs. Is that the type of leverage that
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Speaker 1: we need right now?
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Speaker 3: Absolutely so. I was at the White House on Tuesday.
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Speaker 3: I talked with many Cabinet members. I talked with Russ Vode,
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Speaker 3: who's the head of the Office of Management and Budget
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Speaker 3: and he's in charge of the layoffs, and they've already started.
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Speaker 3: They've laid off thousands of federal government workers. And the
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Speaker 3: Trump White House has said the longer the shutdown continues,
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Speaker 3: the more government workers will be laid off, not furloughed temporarily,
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Speaker 3: but laid off. And they're going to focus on policies
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Speaker 3: and priorities that are inconsistent with the President's agenda, that
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Speaker 3: are Democrat priorities. And I think that leverage will accelerate
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Speaker 3: the Democrats saying, Okay, we're going to stop holding the
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Speaker 3: government hostage, and we're going to allow the clean Continual
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Speaker 3: Resolution that the House passed weeks ago. We're going to
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Speaker 3: allow that to be signed the law.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the White House, as you just mentioned, you
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Speaker 1: were there with many Cabinet members that were in attendance
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Speaker 1: for a really I think special moment. You and I
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Speaker 1: had the honor and the privilege to go to the
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Speaker 1: memorial service for Charlie Kirk. What we witnessed today was
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Speaker 1: something incredible. Donald Trump awarded Charlie Kirk the Medal of
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Speaker 1: Freedom on what would have been his thirty second birthday
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Speaker 1: at the White House, and his wife, his widow, Erica,
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Speaker 1: was there to accept this. It was a moving moment
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Speaker 1: and you were there for all of it.
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Speaker 3: So it was truly a beautiful It was a beautiful day.
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Speaker 3: It was a beautiful fall day at October in Washington,
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Speaker 3: d C. The sun was out. We were in the
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Speaker 3: Rose Garden, and in the Rose garden you had, you
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Speaker 3: had a lot of members of Congress, you had virtually
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Speaker 3: the entire cabinet came out for it, and Erica Kirk,
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Speaker 3: Charlie's widow, was there. The President really, I think did
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Speaker 3: a very good job remembering Charlie, speaking speaking from the heart,
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Speaker 3: honoring Charlie's legacy, and presenting him with the highest civilian
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Speaker 3: honor we have in this country and in the military context,
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Speaker 3: the Medal of Honor is the highest recipient that that
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Speaker 3: can be awarded an individual. In the civilian context, the
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Speaker 3: Medal of Freedom. It is the highest honor that can
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Speaker 3: be awarded an individual. And to give it to Charlie,
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Speaker 3: it was bittersweet because Charlie would have been thirty two.
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Speaker 3: He was a young man. He had an incredibly bright future,
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Speaker 3: as you and I have talked about we both have
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Speaker 3: known Charlie a long time. I considered Charlie a very
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Speaker 3: close friend. Heidie and I met Charlie when he was
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Speaker 3: just eighteen years old, when he was a kid. At
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Speaker 3: the ceremony at the White House, I met Charlie's parents.
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Speaker 3: I had not met his parents before, and I had
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to just just tell both his mom and
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Speaker 3: dad say, look, look, Hidie and I we love Charlie.
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Speaker 3: And when we got to know him fourteen years ago,
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Speaker 3: his vision then was as clear as it was the
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Speaker 3: day he died. His vision of creating a movement to energize,
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Speaker 3: to mobilize young people, to mobilize young people to love freedom,
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Speaker 3: to love free enterprise, to love the Constitution, to love America.
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Speaker 3: That vision, you could see it. What I met at
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Speaker 3: me was this tall, lanky, eighteen year old kid. He
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Speaker 3: was fresh out of high school, had not gone to college.
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Speaker 3: And you gotta remember the context. This is twenty twelve,
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Speaker 3: beginning of twenty thirteen. Barack Obama had just been reelected.
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Speaker 3: The Democrats were resurgent. At that point, young people being
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Speaker 3: a Democrat at an Obama Democrat was hip and cool.
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Speaker 3: The idea of energizing a lot of young people to
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Speaker 3: be conservatives. Frankly sounded looney. It did not sound like
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Speaker 3: an easy task at all. A lot of people in
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Speaker 3: the Republican Party said this will never work. But Charlie
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Speaker 3: had a vision. And I was telling his mom and dad.
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Speaker 3: I said, look, his vision was extraordinary. One of the
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Speaker 3: things I said to them is I said, look, I'm
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Speaker 3: queer grieving the loss of your son. He was extraordinarm
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Speaker 3: So sorry, so sorry for your loss. But I said,
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Speaker 3: you know what I think, in the last month, it
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Speaker 3: may well be possible that more people have heard the
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Speaker 3: Gospel than in any comparable period of our lifetimes. That
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Speaker 3: that memorial service in Arizona for Charlie was a global
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Speaker 3: event where people heard the gospel. And I got to
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Speaker 3: say at Charlie's funeral service when Erica stood up and
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Speaker 3: she talked about how when Jesus was hanging on the
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Speaker 3: cross and he was looking down at the Roman soldiers
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Speaker 3: who had nailed him to the cross, who were in
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Speaker 3: the process of killing him, and Jesus said, from the cross, Father,
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Speaker 3: forgive them, for they know not what they do. And
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Speaker 3: she talked about how how Charlie really had a mission
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Speaker 3: for young people, particularly young men, young men who were
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Speaker 3: often disaffected, disillusion, to help them find find their way
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Speaker 3: and find find a purpose in life, a meaningful purpose
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Speaker 3: that provides real satisfaction and real reason for living. And
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Speaker 3: she talked about that young man who shot Charlie, that
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Speaker 3: young man, and then she said, and I got to
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Speaker 3: say she was doing this wind up. I knew you,
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Speaker 3: knew where she was going. And I got to tell you,
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Speaker 3: I understand you and I were standing next to each other.
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Speaker 3: I literally held my breath. I'm like, is she going
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Speaker 3: to be able to say this? And she stood up
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Speaker 3: with the eyes of the world upon him, and said,
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Speaker 3: that young man, the young man who pulled the trigger
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Speaker 3: and murdered her husband, murdered the father of her children.
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Speaker 3: She said, I forgive him. I don't know that there
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Speaker 3: was a dry eye in the house. And one of
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Speaker 3: the things that is so incredible is millions of people
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Speaker 3: were watching that and listen. If you're a Christian, you understand,
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Speaker 3: just like Jesus said, Father, forgive them, for they know
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Speaker 3: not what they do, even as they were killing him.
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Speaker 3: But if you're not a Christian, I believe thousands, if
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Speaker 3: not millions, of people looked at each other and said,
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Speaker 3: how can she say that? Where does that come from?
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Speaker 3: Where does that forgiveness come from? Where does that love
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Speaker 3: come from? And I think it was as powerful a
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Speaker 3: testament of the Gospel as as as we have seen
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Speaker 3: in a long long time, And and and it and
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Speaker 3: I got to say today the President spoke beautifully. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, when Erica said I forgive him Ben,
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Speaker 3: I hope and pray you or I are never in
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Speaker 3: that situation. I don't know that those words could come
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Speaker 3: out of my mouth. I would want them to, I
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Speaker 3: would sperately want them to. But I that the strength
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Speaker 3: it took for her to say those words I find
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Speaker 3: utterly astonishing. And I just I told Charlie's parents, I said, listen,
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Speaker 3: I so wish Charlie were with us today. But millions
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Speaker 3: have heard the Gospel in the last several weeks because
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Speaker 3: of Charlie. And that's that is one hell of a legacy.
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Speaker 1: one of the most incredible things that you just mentioned
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Speaker 1: is the legacy. And one of the things that the
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Speaker 1: present said today at the White House for people that
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Speaker 1: didn't hear it, was talking about Charlie Kirk being a martyr.
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Speaker 1: And this is what the President said about.
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Speaker 4: That said on the day that he was assassinated. Charlie
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Speaker 4: Kirk was a martyr for truth and for freedom, and
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Speaker 4: from Socrates to think and to Saint Peter, from Abraham
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Speaker 4: Lincoln to Martin Luther King, those who change history the most,
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Speaker 4: and he really did have always risked their lives for
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Speaker 4: causes they were put on earth to defend. He was
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Speaker 4: put on earth to do exactly what he was doing.
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Speaker 4: He didn't want to waste time. He would have been
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Speaker 4: I'm a top student at any college in the country
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Speaker 4: I know to college as well. He's smarter than the guys.
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Speaker 4: He was so smart, but He almost, I guess, didn't
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Speaker 4: have the time. He knew what he wanted to do.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't like Jae I want to sit in this
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Speaker 4: classroom for four years listening to people teach me liberal principles,
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Speaker 4: because they were never going to teach him that anyway.
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Speaker 4: But he didn't have the time. He really didn't have
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Speaker 4: the time. But every time the enemies of goodness and
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Speaker 4: virtue tried to silence the voice of righteous and noble
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Speaker 4: leaders like Charlie, they failed. They seem to fail. Ultimately,
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Speaker 4: they look like they're doing well, and then they end
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Speaker 4: up failing because the truth has been unrelenting over the years,
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Speaker 4: over history, and people like Charlie, it's just they've got
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Speaker 4: a power that others don't have, and very few people
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Speaker 4: will ever have. So today, like those martyrs before him,
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Speaker 4: Charlie's voice, his message, and his legacy are stronger and
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Speaker 4: greater than ever before. They are greater than ever before.
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Speaker 1: You know him saying as I said on the day
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Speaker 1: he was assassinated, Charlie Kirk was a martyr for truth
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Speaker 1: and for freedom, and I couldn't agree more. To compare
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Speaker 1: him as he did to Saint Peter, to Abraham Lincoln
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Speaker 1: to Martin Luther King Junior. These are people that change history.
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Speaker 1: Charlie will be remembered in the same breath with those
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Speaker 1: types of leaders, and I think that's part of the legacy.
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Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, not only did Charlie and his
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Speaker 1: legacy now it is one hundred percent setting I think
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Speaker 1: young men and young women on fire to be bolder
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Speaker 1: in their faith, to be better Christians and to seek
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Speaker 1: the truth of the Bible and the Gospel. And just
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Speaker 1: what he was able to do in his death is phenomenal,
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Speaker 1: but also what he was doing to fight for this
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Speaker 1: country at the same time, that is going to be
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Speaker 1: a legacy that's going to live on because so many
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Speaker 1: people that are going to do it for Charlie. I
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Speaker 1: think you and I would include ourselves in that as well.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 3: Listen, he was very much He was a martyr for
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Speaker 3: freedom and a martyr for truth. I also told Charlie's parents,
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Speaker 3: I think more people heard Charlie's words of the last
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Speaker 3: four weeks that then heard them in the entire thirty
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Speaker 3: one nearly thirty two years of his life. That the
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Speaker 3: number of people who went and said, who was this
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk guy? What did he have to say, who
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Speaker 3: listened to exchanges as he was on college campuses, as
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Speaker 3: he was engaging with people who disagreed with him, as
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Speaker 3: he treated them with respect, with dignity. That is a
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Speaker 3: powerful legacy. I will tell you. One of the things
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Speaker 3: that was also striking about the Metal of Freedom ceremony
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Speaker 3: is it was a continuation of a conversation that happened
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Speaker 3: at Charlie's funeral ceremony. So at the funeral, Erica Kirk spoke,
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Speaker 3: and I mentioned how she said that she forgives the
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Speaker 3: murderer who murdered her husband, and she talks about how
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Speaker 3: Jesus teaches us to love our enemies. And you know,
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Speaker 3: Trump spoke at the funeral, and and and he gave
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Speaker 3: I think, very strong remarks. But one of the things
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Speaker 3: he said is he said that's something he had a
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Speaker 3: great deal of difficulty doing, that he did not love
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Speaker 3: his enemies, that he hated his enemies, and he liked
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Speaker 3: to fight his enemies. And he kind of laughed about it,
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Speaker 3: but he said that, and and and it was that
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Speaker 3: was a back and forth from Arizona. Well in the
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Speaker 3: Rose Garden, Trump brought it up again and and and look,
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Speaker 3: President Trump knew Charlie very well, and he said, you know,
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Speaker 3: I know Erica talked about how he loved his enemies,
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Speaker 3: but he said, you know, when I talked to Charlie,
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Speaker 3: he said, I'm not sure I saw that. I think
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Speaker 3: he like when he was in a battle, he would fight,
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Speaker 3: fight his enemies, uh and and fight them vigorously and listen,
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Speaker 3: Charlie was a strong man and a passionate man who
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Speaker 3: knew what he believed. But it was very interesting. Erica
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Speaker 3: spoke after the President in the Rose Garden and she
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Speaker 3: gave beautiful remarks. But one of the things she said
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Speaker 3: that I think was directly responding to the president. She said, look,
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Speaker 3: I can tell you from having been married to him,
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Speaker 3: Charlie prayed for his enemies. And she said I saw that.
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Speaker 3: She said, I don't know that anyone else saw that,
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Speaker 3: but she said I saw him and he prayed for
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Speaker 3: his enemies. And President Trump was standing behind her right shoulder,
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Speaker 3: and she said it it was it was lighthearted, but
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Speaker 3: she was kind of she was in many ways responding
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Speaker 3: to the President, and he like laughed. He was good natured,
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Speaker 3: but he was genuinely laughing, and it was a look.
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Speaker 3: I think It was a good back and forth that
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Speaker 3: that that we should be vigorous in what we believe.
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Speaker 3: We should not not give in uh to to to
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Speaker 3: those who argue for positions that are harmful to America.
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Speaker 3: We should be full throat in our argument. But but
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Speaker 3: I also think that the message that Erica was carrying
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Speaker 3: forward about it's possible to disagree, and look, you go
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Speaker 3: watch the exchanges Charlie had on college campus after college campus,
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Speaker 3: when when you would have someone come in and argue
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Speaker 3: for open borders, when you would have someone come in
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Speaker 3: and argue for socialism, when you have someone come in
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Speaker 3: and argue for transgenderism, when you have someone come in
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Speaker 3: and argue for for hamas terrorists. Charlie was vigorous and
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Speaker 3: full throated in disputing them, but he was not mean
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Speaker 3: spirited about it. He was not I hate you, he
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Speaker 3: was not you're the enemy. But he would engage in
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Speaker 3: a way that said, look, I understand why you're saying that.
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Speaker 3: Here's why I believe you're mistaken. And and I think
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Speaker 3: Rika was right that he was able to do so
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Speaker 3: from a position of love. Love does not mean agreement.
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Speaker 3: Love does not mean saying I accept the position you're advocating,
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Speaker 3: even though I believe it is harmful to our country.
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Speaker 3: But love means not treating your political adversary as the
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Speaker 3: enemy to be destroyed, but instead trying to respond with reason,
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Speaker 3: with compassion, trying to move, and even if you don't move,
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Speaker 3: your immediate interlocketur those who are observing it. Charlie was
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Speaker 3: very good at responding in a way that persuaded a
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Speaker 3: lot of other people. And I thought that back and
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Speaker 3: forth Tuesday between the President and Erica was really powerful.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would encourage everyone that is listening right now,
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Speaker 1: if you did not get to see as specifically Erica's remarks,
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Speaker 1: go listen to them, and go listen to Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: full remarks as we played one of the highlights here.
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Speaker 1: But there was a lot that was said and it
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Speaker 1: wasn't covered in the same way obviously that his memorial
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Speaker 1: was covered. I'm still in shock that we're a month
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Speaker 1: since we lost Charlie Kirk. But today was a very
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Speaker 1: special day. I'm so thankful that the President did this.
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Speaker 1: I'm thankful that his parents were there, that they got
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Speaker 1: to see how many people he influenced, the most important
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Speaker 1: people in our government, the president of the United States
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Speaker 1: of America, and just to be able to hear from
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Speaker 1: people like you centered and to love on them and
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Speaker 1: to let them know that their son's life mattered in
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Speaker 1: such a big way.
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Speaker 3: Amen.
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