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Indy Voters Stand w Trump After Debate plus Megan McCain on Women Swing Voters · The Ben Ferguson Podcast

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Speaker 1: Perspective is everything.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday I was actually a little bit more down than
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Speaker 2: I am today when it comes to the aftermath of
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Speaker 2: the big debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris and
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Speaker 2: looking at the data and looking at what many undecided
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Speaker 2: voters have been saying, looking at many of those that
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Speaker 2: were interviewed after the debate that were declared as undecided voters,
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Speaker 2: what I am now understanding and realizing is even if
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump did not have a great night, and he didn't,
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Speaker 2: and even even if Kamala Harris had a better night
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Speaker 2: than she was expecting, which she did, it doesn't change
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Speaker 2: the fact that the American people are still having a
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Speaker 2: problem and are still struggling right now. When it comes
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Speaker 2: to the economy, it goes back to the statement, it's
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Speaker 2: the economy stupid. There are several data points that are
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Speaker 2: showing this. For a example, a Reuter's focus group actually
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Speaker 2: came out and said, with undecided voters, they still say
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Speaker 2: that Kamala Harris didn't do enough to change their mind. Now,
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Speaker 2: she may have won the debate on semantics, but what
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Speaker 2: they're telling you is she did not win when it
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Speaker 2: came to changing people's minds about what she has actually done.
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Speaker 2: And what's also interesting about the debate is how people
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Speaker 2: looked at it. They didn't look at Kamala Harris as
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Speaker 2: a new candidate. They clearly looked at her as you're
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Speaker 2: the woman in charge and you've been in charge. So
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Speaker 2: this idea that she could separate herself from Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: and Bynomics, that is not going to work. It is
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Speaker 2: not working based on what we are seeing again with
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Speaker 2: undecided voters. Now, if you are a Trump supporter, you
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Speaker 2: are very excited about what I just told you because
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Speaker 2: this is obviously very important information. In other words, it
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Speaker 2: comes down to this substance really over style. Here here's
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Speaker 2: the part that is the most interesting of undecided voters. Again,
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Speaker 2: this is coming from Reuter's News and their focus group
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Speaker 2: from debate night. Undecided voters are now leaning two to
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Speaker 2: one to Donald Trump after the debate depundits and look,
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Speaker 2: I'm one of those.
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Speaker 1: I'm a realist.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't a great night for Donald Trump, and many
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Speaker 2: on TV jumped to the excitement and declared Vice President
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris the clear winner of Tuesday night's debate. Former
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Speaker 2: President Trump won six of ten undecided voters in a
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Speaker 2: Reuter's focus group. That's the only data to me that matters,
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Speaker 2: because if you were watching the debate and this debate
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Speaker 2: happened and you were solidly in the camp for Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: you weren't changing going to Kamala Harris. If you were
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Speaker 2: watching the debate and you were solidly in Kamala Harris's
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Speaker 2: court as well, you were not going to change your
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Speaker 2: vote to Donald Trump. So the question came down to
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Speaker 2: swing voters, undecided voters, and former President Donald Trump. Even
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Speaker 2: after everything that happened on stage and it being a
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Speaker 2: three to one debate ABC News and the two anchors
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Speaker 2: An Harris against Trump, Trump won six of ten undecided
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Speaker 2: voters in this Reuters focus group.
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Speaker 1: That is significant.
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Speaker 2: Harris, by the way, only one three, meaning you still
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Speaker 2: have some that are quote undecided. There's also to back
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Speaker 2: this up in your Time survey of undecideds, and they
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Speaker 2: had similar results as well. I'll dive into that in
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Speaker 2: won ABC News. I think they was pretty clear in
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Speaker 2: the aftermath they thought that it was a blood bath
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Speaker 2: and that Kamala Harris won. Debate has been widely cri
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Speaker 2: sized for bias on the part of ABC News moderators,
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Speaker 2: and it was shocking to see how they constantly were
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Speaker 2: fact checking Donald Trump and not one time did they
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Speaker 2: fact check Kamala Harris. Some political pundits also predicted the
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Speaker 2: debate would have little effect on the election. According to
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Speaker 2: the Reuters after polling right from these swing voters, six
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Speaker 2: out of ten on decided voters said they were leaning
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Speaker 2: towards Trump due to Harris's quote, vague answers, and because
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Speaker 2: they trusted Trump more on the economy, which is the
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Speaker 2: top issue of this political cycle, pulling down his shows overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: For the American people, it is the economy and high
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Speaker 2: prices and inflation is what they are concerned about the most.
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Speaker 2: Here's something else that's interesting. Reuters interviewed ten people who
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Speaker 2: were still unsure how they were going to vote in
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Speaker 2: the November fifth election before they watched the debate. Six
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Speaker 2: of them said afterwards that they would now either vote
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Speaker 2: for Trump or we are leaning towards backing Trump. Three
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Speaker 2: said they would now back Harris, and one was still
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Speaker 2: unsure how he would vote. Five said they found Harris
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Speaker 2: vague during the more than ninety minute debate on how
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Speaker 2: she would improve the US economy and deal with the
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Speaker 2: high cost of living, which was their top concern. Four
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Speaker 2: of those six also said Harris did not convince them
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Speaker 2: she would pursue different economic policies. Then Democratic President Joe Biden,
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Speaker 2: a Democrat, they largely blamed for the high cost of
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Speaker 2: living right now now, so they're saying the same thing.
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Speaker 2: It's high cost of living under Biden. You're a part
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Speaker 2: of the administration. You're not saying you're going to do
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Speaker 2: something different, So we believe we're going to have more
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Speaker 2: of the same if you are elected.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Six of the undecided voters were men, four were women,
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Speaker 2: and all had previously voted for Democrat and Republican candidates,
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Speaker 2: So this was a pretty good sample quote. I felt
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Speaker 2: like the whole debate was Kamala Harris telling me why
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Speaker 2: not to vote for Donald Trump instead of why she's
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Speaker 2: the right candidate, is what Robert Wheeler, a security form
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Speaker 2: executive in Nevada who was leaning torards Harris before the
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Speaker 2: debate said when he was asked now. Reuter's report is
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Speaker 2: supported by New York Times interviews as well of undecided
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Speaker 2: voters following the debate, saying this quote. Trump's pitch was
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Speaker 2: a little more convincing than hers, is what. A man
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Speaker 2: from Milwaukee, a previous Democratic voter, said, saying this, I
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Speaker 2: guess I'm leaning more more on his facts than her version.
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Speaker 2: Another one said, when Trump was in office, not going
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Speaker 2: to lie, I was living way better. I've never been
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Speaker 2: so down as in the past four years. It's been
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Speaker 2: so hard for me. That coming from a female voter.
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Speaker 2: Jason Anderson, a defense contractor from Arizona who voted for
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Speaker 2: former President Barack Obama, said Harris did not meet his expectations.
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Speaker 2: Trump had the more commanding presidentation. He told The Times,
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Speaker 2: there was nothing done by Harris that made me think
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Speaker 2: she's better in any way. Now here's something else that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: Sixty one percent of likely voters believe the next president
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Speaker 2: should represent a major change from the Biden Harris administration.
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Speaker 2: Going to say that again, sixty one percent of likely
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Speaker 2: voters believe there needs to be a major change from
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Speaker 2: what's happening right now, while only twenty five percent said
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Speaker 2: Harris represented that change. In a new Time Siena College poll,
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Speaker 2: a majority said Trump clearly represents the change Harris comes
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Speaker 2: in this debate. Also, with this issue, she cannot campaign
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Speaker 2: on policies to fix crime, inflation, and or border security
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Speaker 2: without actually undermining her own time in office as part
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Speaker 2: of the Biden Harris administration policies. But she must tout
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Speaker 2: the administration's policies to quote validate her record and her candidacy.
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Speaker 1: That is also an interesting point.
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Speaker 2: On CNN, they were asking about these issues, and I
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Speaker 2: want you to listen to how they said undecideds felt.
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Speaker 3: Just need to learn more about Donald Trump. Just eighteen
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Speaker 3: percent of undecided voters say they need.
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Speaker 1: To learn more about Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: But look at this, a near majority of undecided voters
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Speaker 3: say they want or need to learn more about Kamala Harris. Look,
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Speaker 3: undecided voters don't really like either one of these folks,
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump with just an eight percent favorable Kamala Harris,
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Speaker 3: which just a thirteen percent favorble. But the bottom line
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Speaker 3: is there's a lot more room for movement for Kamala
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Speaker 3: Harris than there is for Donald Trump. So the real
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Speaker 3: question tonight is can Kamala Harris seize this opportunity, sees
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Speaker 3: the spotlight put to rest fears that they may have
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Speaker 3: about her, because the bottom line is undecided. Voters have
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Speaker 3: already made up their mind about Donald Trump. They're waiting
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Speaker 3: to make up their mind abou Kamala Harris, and how
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Speaker 3: they do so can make all the difference in the
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Speaker 3: world at the end of the day come November.
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Speaker 1: How about the expectations.
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Speaker 4: I mean people literally put money on who's going to win.
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Speaker 1: You can bet on anything. What is the expectation?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know if the expectation going into the first
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Speaker 3: debate of this year, remember this is the second first debate,
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Speaker 3: As my cover slide kind of indicated, right, they thought
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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump was going to win that first debate
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Speaker 3: by an eight point margin. Now the expectation game is
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Speaker 3: on the other shoe, right, on the other foot. Look
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Speaker 3: at this when it comes to Kamala Harris versus Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: Harris the expectation is that she is going to beat
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. Now it's not by that wide of a margin.
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Speaker 3: But I think tonight the real question is how does
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris get viewed and judged by the American public, Because,
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Speaker 3: as I said, just to go, the American electorate has
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Speaker 3: made up their mind about Donald Trump, they haven't made
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Speaker 3: up their mind about Kamala Harris. And this may be
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Speaker 3: her last best chance to get them on her side
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Speaker 3: of the equation and not go with the Republican nominee
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Speaker 3: for president.
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Speaker 1: So that's what it boils down to. That was coming
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Speaker 1: from CNN.
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Speaker 2: Look, they're saying that, hey, tonight's pretty much about Kamala Harris. Okay,
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Speaker 2: undecided voters dislike Donald Trump, right, Those that dislike him
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Speaker 2: and have made up their minds on him, they're over there.
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Speaker 2: But about half of undecided, on the other hand, want
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Speaker 2: to learn more about Harris, and Harris couldn't seize that
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Speaker 2: opportunity as what they saw, they didn't like what they saw,
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Speaker 2: they didn't like what was actually said. And I also
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Speaker 2: go back to this, I think the response the closing
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Speaker 2: argument from Donald Trump, if you were still watching the debate,
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Speaker 2: was a closing argument that really left you thinking in
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Speaker 2: your head. And Donald Trump should have used that moment
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Speaker 2: is closing argument during the middle, during the beginning, every
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Speaker 2: aspect of the debate should have been him asking this
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Speaker 2: question to the American people. Now, Thank goodness he did
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Speaker 2: at the end because it clearly had an impact with
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Speaker 2: the undecided voters that were watching. And what he said
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Speaker 2: was the simple question I've been saying over and over again,
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Speaker 2: are you better off now than you were four years ago?
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Speaker 2: And then he reminded people that if this is the
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Speaker 2: woman who's saying she's going to fix all your problems,
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Speaker 2: why hasn't she done it already while she is in power?
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Speaker 4: So she just started by saying she's going to do this,
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Speaker 4: She's going to do that, she's going to do all
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Speaker 4: these wonderful things. Why hasn't she done it. She's been
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Speaker 4: there for three and a half years. They've had three
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Speaker 4: and a half years to fix the border, they've had
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Speaker 4: three and a half years to create jobs and all
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Speaker 4: the things we talked about. Why hasn't she done it?
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Speaker 4: She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful
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Speaker 4: White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and
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Speaker 4: do the things you want to do. But you haven't
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Speaker 4: done it, and you won't do it because you believe
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Speaker 4: in things that the American people don't believe in. You
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Speaker 4: believe in things like we're not going to frack, we're
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Speaker 4: not going to take fossil fuel. We're not going to
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Speaker 4: do things that are going to make this country strong,
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Speaker 4: whether you like.
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Speaker 2: It or not.
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Speaker 4: Germany tried that and within one year they were back
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Speaker 4: to building normal energy plants. We're not ready for it.
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Speaker 4: We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
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Speaker 4: But I just ask one simple question, why didn't she
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Speaker 4: do it. We're a failing nation. We're a nation that's
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Speaker 4: in serious decline. We're being laughed at all over the world.
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Speaker 4: All over the world they laugh. I know the leaders
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Speaker 4: very well. They're coming to see me, they call me.
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Speaker 4: We're laughed at all over the world. They don't understand
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Speaker 4: what happened to us as a nation. We're not a leader.
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Speaker 4: We don't have any idea what's going on. We have
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Speaker 4: wars going on in the Middle East, we have wars
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Speaker 4: going on with Russia and Ukraine. We're going to end
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Speaker 4: up in a Third World War, and it'll be a
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Speaker 4: war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power
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Speaker 4: of weaponry. I rebuilt our entire military. She gave a
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Speaker 4: lot of it away to the Taliban, she gave it
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Speaker 4: to Afghanistan. What these people have done to our country,
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Speaker 4: and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people
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Speaker 4: to come into our country. Many of them are criminals,
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Speaker 4: and they're destroying our country. The worst president, the worst
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Speaker 4: vice president in the history of our country.
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Speaker 2: That was probably what saved the night for Donald Trump,
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Speaker 2: and it reminded people that you just have to ask
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Speaker 2: yourself this question, are you better off now than you
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Speaker 2: were four years ago?
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Speaker 1: And who's in charge now? It is Kamala Harris.
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Speaker 2: So the idea that she's going to fix all of
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Speaker 2: your problems, why hasn't she done it yet? Why isn't
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Speaker 2: she doing what she claims she's about to do? And
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Speaker 2: what the voters were looking at was very different than
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Speaker 2: what the pundits were watching and looking at. The pundits
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Speaker 2: were looking at winning and losing. The voters, especially on
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Speaker 2: decided voters were looking at who's got a policy specifically
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Speaker 2: that is going to get me back to where I
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Speaker 2: wasn't living paycheck to paycheck, are constantly stressed out or
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Speaker 2: constantly feeling the pressure or constantly saying no to buying
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Speaker 2: basic things for my kids or my family.
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Speaker 1: That is what they were looking at.
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Speaker 2: There's also other things that really hit, and it hits
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Speaker 2: the day after the debate. The cost of Kamala is
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Speaker 2: a question that I think Donald Trump needs to be
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Speaker 2: bringing up more often. Stock market plunged after the president's
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Speaker 2: debate because of higher core inflation. Investors appeared to well
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Speaker 2: be worried of the risk that Kamala Harris could actually
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Speaker 2: win the presidential contest, sitting the major market indexes plunging
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Speaker 2: on the morning after the debate. Why they're worried if
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Speaker 2: this this woman gets an office with price controls and
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Speaker 2: all the other radical spinning ideas that she has, that
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Speaker 2: we're going to be in serious trouble. Harris also said
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Speaker 2: she would seek to hike a broad range of taxes
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Speaker 2: that is something many Americans can't afford, including taxes on
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Speaker 2: corporate profits, which would cost millions of jobs. She also
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Speaker 2: says she's going to come after unrealized capital gains. Many
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Speaker 2: believe that's actually unconstitutional, but she says, I don't care.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it anyway. That would go after the
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Speaker 2: income of many Americans who are retired and many Americans
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Speaker 2: who have worked hard to save many investors in the
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Speaker 2: walls and Wall Street analysts think these taxes would weigh
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Speaker 2: extremely heavy on the stock market, which is exactly why
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Speaker 2: we saw it fall. So you look at this and
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Speaker 2: I take a step back, and I say, hey, the
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Speaker 2: pundits sometimes get it wrong. And pundits look at simple
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Speaker 2: things like who won who lost, right like we do.
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Speaker 1: We look at that. I'm one of them.
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Speaker 2: But after seeing the data, I'm not sure that this
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Speaker 2: debate win for Harris, and I do I will never
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Speaker 2: lie to you, guys. I think it was probably a win.
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Speaker 2: It was a three against one win for Harris. But
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Speaker 2: I do believe that this win for Harris is actually
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Speaker 2: not that big of a deal at all. Now, there's
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Speaker 2: also a third aspect of this campaign. In this election,
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Speaker 2: there's an X factor here, and that is a lot
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Speaker 2: of conservative women abandoned Donald Trump in the last election.
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Speaker 2: They were tired of the mean tweets, they were tired
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Speaker 2: of him just being incredibly blunt as he is. They
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Speaker 2: didn't like his demeanor, and they didn't vote for maybe
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, but they just did. But they didn't vote
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Speaker 2: at all for a conservative candidate. That was a problem.
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Speaker 2: When you stay home and the other side doesn't stay home,
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Speaker 2: Guess what, they get a point, They get a vote
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Speaker 2: and you don't. So what does this mean for women? Well,
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Speaker 2: one of those women that I had that has a
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Speaker 2: very big audience is a dear friend of mine, Megan McCain,
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Speaker 2: that would be John McCain's daughter, and I wanted to
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Speaker 2: get her take on Donald Trump in this debate. Megan
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Speaker 2: I as soon as I saw this debate and I rapped,
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Speaker 2: I was like, I want to talk to you because
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Speaker 2: you warned everybody this is what you're going to get
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Speaker 2: when you go to ABC News. Were you shocked by
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Speaker 2: the bias aspect of the three on one as much
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Speaker 2: as I was, Like, I couldn't believe it from the
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Speaker 2: very beginning, like they were prepped and prepared to hammer
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump on anything they could, and they let Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris get away with a significant number of lies.
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Speaker 5: So the only reason why I was surprised is because
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Speaker 5: I was expecting the last CNN debate to be really
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Speaker 5: biased and awful, and I actually thought Agana Bash and
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Speaker 5: Jake Tpper were very fair when they interviewed President Biden
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Speaker 5: and you know, President Trump in the last debate. So
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Speaker 5: I thought that like maybe there was a slight possibility
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Speaker 5: that you know, someone at ABC had seen that and
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Speaker 5: learned their lesson. And and you know, look, I hear
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Speaker 5: from my friends who still work at ABC, like their
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Speaker 5: ratings are down everywhere, like like significantly and historically down.
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Speaker 5: And I just know from my old show, like you know,
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Speaker 5: it's just it's just not where it once was. And
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Speaker 5: I thank you in no small part it's because conservatives
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Speaker 5: aren't watching and Republicans don't trust the network. And I
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Speaker 5: just think that I was, I was, I was really
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Speaker 5: taken aback just how egregious it was. And it wasn't
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Speaker 5: just a fact checking, It was the questions that were asked, Like, respectfully,
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Speaker 5: January sixth is a horrible day. We have litigated January
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Speaker 5: six into the ground. I have a good friend who
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Speaker 5: could not go on summer vacation this summer because her
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Speaker 5: family can't afford the groceries and the gas, and what
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Speaker 5: inflation is doing to her family. That is the kind
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Speaker 5: of questions that should have been asked really directly with
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Speaker 5: follow ups, Like I learned absolutely nothing from that debate
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Speaker 5: last night, and I also think no, Republicans need to
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Speaker 5: stop agreeing to this. We need to stop going on
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Speaker 5: these networks. There is no point. And I actually think
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Speaker 5: I was talking to a.
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Speaker 2: Friend this is this is where I'm so I love
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Speaker 2: the point that you just made, But then you would
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Speaker 2: have no debates, right because I.
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Speaker 5: Mean your venues.
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Speaker 1: So where explain? I'm intrigued.
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Speaker 5: Okay, so tell me if I'm crazy. I actually think
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Speaker 5: last night I was like if some if a network
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Speaker 5: or you know you or some you know, we don't
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Speaker 5: need these old platforms anymore. Like Megan Kelly is getting
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Speaker 5: like more like hundreds of millions of views on her
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Speaker 5: show this on YouTube than all of the network news
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Speaker 5: channels combined. I think if you said, Megan Kelly, Strala,
20:45
Speaker 5: Mainma God and Joe Rogan, the three of you are
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Speaker 5: up and you're going to moderate this debate, and you're
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Speaker 5: going to take a bunch of questions from average Americans
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Speaker 5: that are not you know, shown in advance or screens
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Speaker 5: in advance. I bet you that people would do it
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Speaker 5: just for the public to be alone. Maybe Kamala Harris
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Speaker 5: wouldn't do it, But I just think the gatekeeping of
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Speaker 5: these very specific networks and these very specific moderators, they're
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Speaker 5: clearly not up to it. I wasted my time last night,
21:12
Speaker 5: and you have young kids. I have young kids. It
21:14
Speaker 5: starts a nine o'clock at night. I didn't go to
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Speaker 5: sleep till twelve thirty. I'm tired today, Like absolute waste
21:20
Speaker 5: of mom and dad's times. Last night. I learned nothing
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Speaker 5: and it was just and then I'm sorry, But like
21:26
Speaker 5: the Taylor Swift endorsement that happened right as soon as
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Speaker 5: the debate was over, and then the just self adulation
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Speaker 5: of so many quote unquote respected news journalists about a
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Speaker 5: pop stars endorsement, I also found just embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: And to me, it was so bad, and it was
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Speaker 2: obviously pre planned by the Harris Biden campaign, right it
21:44
Speaker 2: was like, hey, we want you to do this right
21:46
Speaker 2: after the debate. It's a great distraction point if we lose,
21:49
Speaker 2: it's a great perk if we win.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: And I also think this is where we are in
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Speaker 2: this country. I said earlier that it's amazing to me
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Speaker 2: that Americans get more in a tizzy over cats and
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Speaker 2: dogs missing, or you know, Canadian geese being you know,
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Speaker 2: walk down the street dead in the hands of a
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Speaker 2: Haitian that pictures out there, or the nine to one
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Speaker 2: to one phone call that I played this morning from
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Speaker 2: where this is all going on of a guy saying, Hey,
22:19
Speaker 2: there's three guys that look like they're like Haitians that
22:22
Speaker 2: are walking down the street now with ducks from the pond,
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Speaker 2: like this is insane. And we played the nine one
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Speaker 2: one call to prove that again. They said this never
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Speaker 2: happened on ABC last night. It absolutely is happening. Look
22:32
Speaker 2: at the police reports and look at the nine one calls.
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Speaker 2: I think Trump should have been better prepared to respond
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Speaker 2: with that, and it would have been a great moment
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Speaker 2: for him.
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Speaker 1: He was not prepared for that.
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Speaker 2: But the part that irritates me the most, Megan, is
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Speaker 2: when did we like become so to eighty d as
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Speaker 2: a nation that average voters pay attention on this crap.
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Speaker 1: More than twenty million legal immigrants coming.
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Speaker 2: Across the border that are killing our kids with fetnel overdoe,
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Speaker 2: that are that are raping and killing children and women
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Speaker 2: killing American citizens, taking away our safety in the streets
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Speaker 2: like New York City where you used to live, where
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Speaker 2: seventy five percent of the crimes not being committed in
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Speaker 2: New York City proper are being done by illegal immigrants,
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Speaker 2: and no one gives a crap about that. But you
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Speaker 2: talk about a dog or a cat, or a goose
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Speaker 2: or a duck, and now everyone's paying attention.
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Speaker 5: Well, I actually think I give the American public credit
23:33
Speaker 5: that I do think they're paying attention. And I do
23:35
Speaker 5: think like the border wasn't even brought up last night.
23:37
Speaker 5: Did anyone else notice that? I waska believe this hasn't
23:40
Speaker 5: been a main issue, and we're spending And I was
23:42
Speaker 5: actually really frustrated that President Trump didn't pushed back more
23:45
Speaker 5: on the abortion question. Someone has got to get Vice
23:47
Speaker 5: President Harris to answer at what week and what months
23:51
Speaker 5: she thinks is enough for a late term abortion, because
23:55
Speaker 5: we know the answer is probably like thirty seven weeks.
23:57
Speaker 5: We know they're completely radical on it. I was disappointed
24:00
Speaker 5: he didn't push back on it. I don't look, I
24:02
Speaker 5: don't think he did a good job either. I was
24:05
Speaker 5: very disappointed. Performance I agree with you that I thought
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Speaker 5: he took debate and there were so many opportunities to
24:09
Speaker 5: push back on her just absolute radicalism. But I think
24:13
Speaker 5: the American public are really savvy I think the American
24:15
Speaker 5: public know that. It look even for me, it's like
24:18
Speaker 5: I can't believe how much money I'm spending on groceries
24:21
Speaker 5: every month. The average American is going to the grocery store,
24:24
Speaker 5: is getting hit really hard with inflation, can't buy a house.
24:27
Speaker 5: The American dream doesn't feel like it's the same as
24:29
Speaker 5: it used to. I still think that a lot of
24:31
Speaker 5: this could be not an illusion that's too strong. But
24:36
Speaker 5: I don't know if who is buying this was Vice
24:38
Speaker 5: President Harris other than the already converted like what independent
24:42
Speaker 5: Lawler watched that last night and was like, you know what,
24:44
Speaker 5: I was on the fence, but Vice President Harris was
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Speaker 5: a girl boss and now Taylor swifted indoors. I'm in, Like,
24:49
Speaker 5: I just I don't think that person actually exists.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a win for Harris last night.
24:55
Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump lost the debate if it's just
24:58
Speaker 2: a simple winner lose, but it, like you said, I
25:01
Speaker 2: don't think it moved the needle that much because even
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Speaker 2: the undecided voters that were talked to on MSNBC and
25:07
Speaker 2: CNN I played this earlier, they were like, the economy
25:11
Speaker 2: still sucks and Donald Trump my life was better when
25:15
Speaker 2: he was president. And that's the maybe the saving grace
25:18
Speaker 2: for Trump in the debate, if you're his team, is
25:21
Speaker 2: that things are so bad with inflation and the economy
25:25
Speaker 2: right now, and and house the home, you know, is
25:28
Speaker 2: unaffordability for example, that this is going to be a problem.
25:33
Speaker 2: Your podcast, by the way, which you do, and everybody
25:36
Speaker 2: listening you should download it, says to mccannon, it's amazing
25:39
Speaker 2: you talk a lot about about women and women voters
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Speaker 2: and women issues, not twenty four to seven politics. When
25:47
Speaker 2: you look at it through your audience. Do you think
25:51
Speaker 2: your audience was really moved in either direction last night?
25:54
Speaker 2: When you look at just average moms who are busy,
25:57
Speaker 2: they have kids, they're not always paying attention tool it
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Speaker 2: takes like you and I do twenty four to seven.
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Speaker 5: No, but I have like eighty eight percent female audience,
26:06
Speaker 5: and they tend to be overwhelmingly Christian conservative women. So
26:09
Speaker 5: my audience is a lot like me. I think a
26:12
Speaker 5: lot of women are really upset again. I've been seeing it,
26:16
Speaker 5: just like Percoly on my social media channels too, like
26:18
Speaker 5: people are really upset that no one's calling Vice President
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Speaker 5: Harris out on her extreme abortion stance.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand you do believe this is an election issue?
26:26
Speaker 1: He should double down on this.
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Speaker 5: I just think someone should call her out on the
26:31
Speaker 5: extremism of the left. I mean, and by the way,
26:33
Speaker 5: her saying that she owns a gun, I need proof
26:36
Speaker 5: of that. I don't believe it. That sounds like a
26:39
Speaker 5: weird lie, Like, really, you're a gun owner, like in
26:41
Speaker 5: the Bay Area, you were out shooting, like skeet shooting,
26:44
Speaker 5: like with the rest of us. I just don't believe it.
26:46
Speaker 5: I think I think women's issues are just human issues,
26:50
Speaker 5: and I always think the loss tries to make it
26:52
Speaker 5: it's just women only care about like you know, abortion
26:55
Speaker 5: and girl boss stuff. And that's a fallacy that I
26:58
Speaker 5: think completely revealed itself to go out the window in
27:01
Speaker 5: the twenty fifteen election with Hillary Clinton. And I always
27:04
Speaker 5: think that Democrats think that women are a monolith.
27:07
Speaker 4: We're not.
27:08
Speaker 5: You know, they're just as many pro life women as
27:10
Speaker 5: they are a pro choice woman in the country. And
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Speaker 5: I just I don't know, but the messaging, Look, I'm
27:16
Speaker 5: gonna tell you, I'm going to keep it real, Like
27:17
Speaker 5: the messaging has been really bad. The Jenier gap is
27:19
Speaker 5: really extreme in this election we have a fourteen point deficit,
27:23
Speaker 5: and it's exhausting for people like you know, me and
27:25
Speaker 5: Ali Bestucky and like women who do like really hard
27:28
Speaker 5: work to get women in America to see why conservatism
27:31
Speaker 5: is the right path for our country and our families,
27:34
Speaker 5: and then to have like you know, Childless Cat Lady
27:36
Speaker 5: be the talking point for months and months and months
27:38
Speaker 5: because the media will jump all over it and it's,
27:40
Speaker 5: you know, just a ridiculous thing to say. It's damaging.
27:44
Speaker 5: It is find her workmate last night, Childless cat Ladies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's You're absolutely right. Grab her podcast says
27:52
Speaker 2: the McCain. Wherever you get your podcasts, my dear friend,
27:55
Speaker 2: Megan McCain, will I'm looking hey, I'm looking forward to
27:58
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