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E238: I Surrendered My Fertility to God: Here's What Happened w/Chrissy Horton | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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  I thought I was doing what I was supposed to be doing in my 20s.
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  There's so many things we need to do because once you have a
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  kid, your life is over. I mean, that's what we're sold
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  and that's what we bought. Think a lot of them just assume,
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  oh, you have 6 kids, you're born and raised Catholic.
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  Like you've just kind of always been on this trajectory.
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  It's like, absolutely not. I was on contraceptives for a
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  while. I think we've lost that
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  generational knowledge of passing down to our daughters
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  about what to expect. Like how do I not know this
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  about my own body? There was so much I didn't know.
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  From the experiences of the women that I know is that the
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  women who use NFP are actually ultimately having a.
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  What I learned was sex becomes sacred again with NF.
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  So what I mean by that is when it's on birth control, we're
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  having great oral sex and then we get married, but it's on
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  birth. Control, marriage, sex and
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  intimacy in this episode we get real and unfiltered.
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  Welcome back to the Lila Roe show today I sit down with
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  Chrissy Horton, an influencer and mom of 6, and we dive into
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  the sometimes controversial topic of NFP natural family
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  planning. Sex and intimacy with NFP in a
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  marriage. We talk about Chrissy's own
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  story of how her husband almost got a vasectomy and what changed
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  their mind and so much more. In this day and age, the church
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  is teaching on things like intimacy, sex, marriage,
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  contraception. Family size can be difficult for
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  a lot of people and I hope today's episode can help
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  breakdown some of the misunderstandings and get real
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  about the challenges with a path for hope and showing the beauty
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  Chrissy Horton, welcome to the podcast.
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  Thank you so much. I'm so honored to be.
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  Here. Glad you're here.
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  We were talking earlier about millennial girl stuff, yes,
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  which I feel like doesn't get enough attention in the pot.
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  So I was like the what are the Gen.
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  Z ers up to which we do the hover on the show.
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  But I'm a fan of yours and you're very fun, life giving
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  content and I'm excited to talk to you today.
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  Thanks for coming up from San Diego.
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  Thanks for having me, I'm so honored to be here.
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  I'm I was sure you were mistaken when you Are you sure you're
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  getting the right content creator for?
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  Sure. People need to hear this
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  conversation and what you're going to share.
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  So yes, 100%. So give people a quick
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  background on you and your. Work.
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  Sure. My name is Chrissy Horton.
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  I'm a mom of six children. I am a content creator and I
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  don't really know how I kind of stumbled upon this.
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  I guess I started just sharing basic fashion finds.
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  I have always liked fashion, but I know, I know.
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  Yeah, a 30 year old millennial decides to start a fashion blog.
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  Ground breaking, I know, but it started off as a way to actually
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  share, to share fashion finds that suited where I was in
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  motherhood. So for example, when I became a
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  mom, I had a hard time finding things that were breastfeeding
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  friendly that weren't necessarily like nursing
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  designated clothing. So I started that way in content
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  creation. And then it just started to
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  evolve. As I had more kids, people
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  became more curious about what life looked like.
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  And I started providing more pregnancy education and then I
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  started providing more motherhood education.
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  And then it just turned into this very candid talk.
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  It was just like from one mom to another.
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  And on my Instagram, I started hosting ask me anythings every
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  Monday. So we call it Mama Monday, ask
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  me anything. And I've been doing that for a
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  few years. And that's just where I get to
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  talk to other moms, other moms to be or even young teenagers
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  who want to be a mom. And I answer questions.
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  And again, it's I'm not a professional doctor.
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  I'm I'm nothing like that. It's just one mom to another.
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  And that's basically what my content revolves around that
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  vulnerable motherhood. And you know, I share different
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  parts of my life things with my husband and that's kind of what
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  it centers around. It's really motherhood and and
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  the joy that comes from motherhood.
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  I feel like I grew up in an age of social media where motherhood
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  started off as being painted very picture perfect, like the
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  Pinterest era, right where I just saw these beautiful homes
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  and these beautiful perfect for together moms.
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  And then when I became a mom, I was like, why isn't a reality?
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  Check for us, right? We're like, oh.
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  And so then I started kind of creating content, trying to show
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  more of like the realities of it.
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  And then came the pandemic. It's kind of when I really
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  started making content. And that's when TikTok was
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  really known as like a dancing app.
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  But then all these people kind of started coming on and sharing
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  just really random videos. And I started sharing some
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  videos about motherhood. And I saw this big, very
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  vulnerable side. I saw mom showing up in like
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  messy buns and, you know, their pajamas, like, hey, I didn't get
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  dressed for the day. And I loved how that wave kind
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  of took off. And then as it evolved, it kind
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  of got to the point where it was like there was a really negative
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  spin on motherhood now. So we went from one extreme of
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  perfection to another extreme of this is awful.
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  And I was like, we got to find the balance in here, guys, like,
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  because that's how life is. You know, life is never perfect
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  and life is never just awful. Like you have your ups and
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  downs. And so I really strive now when
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  I make, I make vlogs where I show like kind of a day in the
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  life of a mom of six kids. I really try to, I really try to
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  show the, the beauty in the chaos, right.
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  So the tantrum still exists. I, I don't show my children's
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  tantrums, but just kind of showing that if you look for it,
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  there's beauty in anything you do.
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  And so I may be living what may be considered a mundane life,
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  right? You know, wake up with the kids,
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  same kind of routine every day. We homeschool, we do this, we
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  go, we go to activities, we have dinner, we do bath and we do it
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  all over again. But by showing off the vlogs
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  that I do, I, I like to think I'm showing off the beauty in
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  these everyday moments and what a blessing they really are.
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  And it's, it's not perfect moments that make that make up
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  your life. It's the everyday moments that
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  you look back on. And so I really try to show that
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  through my content on top of the educational stuff in answering
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  questions for for other moms out there.
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  I love it. It's so I love your content.
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  It makes me laugh. It's also very like thought
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  provoking in a good way, encouraging in a good way.
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  I want to get into the topic of NFP here.
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  And there was this reel that you did that went really viral.
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  Well, there's a color, several of them, but this one is about
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  that. Let me pull it up.
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  I want to watch it with our audience here so they know we're
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  talking about. Have I always been open to just
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  giving God my womb is a big question I get given I'm
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  pregnant with number six. I'm open about my Catholic
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  faith. Absolutely not.
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  No, this is a very new journey for me.
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  I grew up as I guess you could say a Creole Catholic.
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  Despite my mom's best efforts went to church, was a leader in
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  my choir. Like looked really good on the
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  outside, but I was not tatic eyes really well when I hit my
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  20s. I love to.
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  Go. OK, now I want you to tell me
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  more about this, but the reason I'm showing the video here is
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  because this elicited, and I know it elicits for you a lot of
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  messages, feedback because you are out there and you're not out
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  there being like, I'm a Catholic influencer, I'm a Christian
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  influencer. You're out there just I'm a mom
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  of 6. I live in California, we
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  homeschool and this is our life. And then you incorporate
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  elements of just your authentic faith that you're living.
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  One of the most hot button things that you do though, is
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  you talk about being open to life.
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  So and, and then there was a video just recently that went
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  Uber viral about #7 so we'll get to that in a minute.
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  But first, give us your philosophy on even why you have
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  six kids. Have you always been against
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  contraception? What is your view on all of
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  this? No, I've not always been against
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  contraceptives. So I was actually on
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  contraceptives for a long time. Like I said in the earlier clip,
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  as you saw where I said I was born raised Catholic, but wasn't
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  categorized very well. And I think a lot of Catholics
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  can relate to this who were born in the Church, but not
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  necessarily like very familiar with the Catholic's teaching.
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  So I went to church, went to Mass, my husband and I.
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  So how my husband and I met actually was in high school.
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  He played the guitar and I sang for the youth mass.
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  How sweet we met. So he's Catholic too, but kind
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  of the same thing. Cradle Catholic, you know, we
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  went to mass, went through the motions and not very familiar
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  with the church's teaching. So we, I was very much, I don't
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  know how you say it, but I lived a very, I lived a very typical
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  American College experience. You know, I was, I was with my
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  husband. So I, I don't know the
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  politically correct term for this, but I did not, was not
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  part of hookup culture, but I still love to go out.
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  My husband and I would go out. I mean, we're talking bars like
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  clubs. I love to dance and I, you know,
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  I would, I would drink and stuff.
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  And so I was very much like, I would still go to Mass and I'd
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  sing and I, you know, all this, but you couldn't convince me at
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  that time in my life that going out and just drinking with my
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  friends and all this was not good for me.
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  I guess I thought it was just like, you know, your typical
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  experience. And when I say drinking, it was
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  like, oh, just a drink here or there.
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  Like, I mean, I would, I would, I would drink and get sloppy.
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  And, you know, I which, OK, I mean, we all just go through.
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  I basically try to paint a picture that I wasn't this
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  perfect, you know, just because I was raised in the church and I
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  was singing in the church choir. I wasn't living this like
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  perfect church exactly that that could come off.
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  Yeah, I was very much, I was a very, it's a coming of age time.
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  You're learning different things.
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  And so, so that's where this is coming from.
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  So when people find out I have 6 kids, I think a lot of them just
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  assume, oh, you have 6 kids, you're born and raised Catholic.
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  Like you've just kind of always been on this trajectory.
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  It's like, absolutely not. Well, most Catholics today,
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  Chrissy, as we know that are raised Catholic are not
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  practicing Catholic, right. So these like numbers of these,
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  you know, 70 or 80 million Catholics, it's like how many of
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  them are going to Mass every Sunday and how many of them even
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  know the church's teachings on contraception, on marriage and
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  are really trying to follow them?
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  I mean, I think that's the other thing that a lot of people don't
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  even understand at a deeper level what this all means.
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  So that's why I think by the way, you just sharing so, so
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  like authentically is a powerful inspiration to people who have
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  maybe a deeper sense, like something's not right with my
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  I would very much look to the world, I guess, for what was
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  right and wrong, especially when you live in a social media
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  world. We're getting fed things
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  constantly right. And so I thought I was doing
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  what I was supposed to be doing in my 20s.
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  You know, I got my husband. I got married young, but I got
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  married and I just was ready to marry that guy.
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  I was very married guy, like so quick.
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  But we thought, no, you can't, you can't have kids right away
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  because we're told like, you need to, you need to travel and
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  my husband needs to like finish his, like get where he wants to
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  be in his career. And there's so many things we
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  need to do because once you have a kid, your life is over.
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  I mean, that's what we're sold. And, and so, and that's what we
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  bought. And so I was on contraceptives.
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  I was on contraceptives for a while and we did that.
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  We travelled, went to brunch every Saturday.
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  And you? Know just the whatever, you
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  know, the hip spots it down. It sounds so old, but you know,
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  that's what we did. And then basically the only
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  reason I got off birth control was when I turned about 26, I
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  just didn't feel like myself anymore.
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  And something was going on with me.
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  And I dug a little deeper and it seemed as if what could happen
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  is as you get older, you know, I'm hitting my mid 20s at this
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  point, your hormones are starting to change.
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  And I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for sure.
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  But based on my research, it seemed like the birth control,
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  the hormones, it just was affecting me differently.
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  And so I never saw a professional about this.
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  By the way, this was just based on my own research and what was
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  going on in my body. So this is not medical advice by
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  any means, but I was like, OK, maybe I need to just get off of
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  this. You know, it's there's hormones
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  involved and I was not feeling myself and I don't want to call
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  it depression, but just it didn't seem like myself.
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  So I just said, OK, I'm going to get off of this.
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  And I was on it for so long that I thought there's no way I'm
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  going to get pregnant like, and I got pregnant like like a month
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  later after being off of it. So it wasn't even you're getting
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  off of it because we're ready to start our family.
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  It was more that I just don't feel good.
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  We don't and we were not ready My husband was a software
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  developer for like a safe company, right?
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  Four O 1K health, health insurance, all that stuff.
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  And then he, we were young and the, you know, he said, I want
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  to do a startup. And this was during like, you
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  know, 2013, like that whole tech startup culture.
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  And he was going to move to San Francisco with his startup team
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  and they were going to be gone for a few months.
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  And I said, you know, that we're young, like now's the time to do
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  it. Now's the time to take risks.
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  And then I got pregnant. So we were not ready in in the
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  sense, but we were ecstatic. I will say when I found out I
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  was pregnant, I, I couldn't help but smile even though we weren't
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  ready at all. Like, you know, I was a
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  preschool teacher, like we're not going to live off my income.
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  And then he's doing this start up and he's not even making
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  money. So it it really did all get
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  figured out like the Lord does provide truly.
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  That was one of like the first part of my testimony.
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  And so I get pregnant and I have him and and then I'm like, OK,
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  we need a pause, whatever. But I was like, I'm not going
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  back on birth control. I'm not doing that.
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  So then I look into the IUD. So Sarah, I'm still not here
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  mentally like on on being open to life, right?
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  And I look into the IUD. And again, this is all based on
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  my personal experience. I'm not giving medical advice,
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  but I talked to my girlfriends who did have Iuds and it sounded
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  like a very painful process. I have girlfriends who I'll
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  never forget this. We were getting ready for like a
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  like a party or something. My husband and I used to like
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  host like dinner parties at her house when we were married
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  because that's what you're supposed to do, right?
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  You're supposed to host dinner parties and go to brunch and
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  travel before you have kids. And so she came over early and I
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  was getting ready in my bathroom and she just laid on the ground
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  and was like, what's wrong with you?
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  She's like, my IUD just hurts so bad.
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  I was like, you should probably take that out then like you
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  shouldn't be in this much pain. And so I just had seen these
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  things first hand and I was like, well, I'm not, I'm not
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  going to do that. And so you're not having an ID
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  and you're not on birth control. I mean, there's only so many
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  ways to prevent pregnancy. And so I end up getting up,
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  getting pregnant baby #2 and I was terrified.
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  I was like, my first baby's only eight months old.
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  I'm a first time mom. And I thought, how could I love
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  another baby as much as I love my first baby?
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  There's no way. There's no way.
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  And then my second baby came and it was just clear as day, like a
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  mother's love is endless. It does not divide, it
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  multiplies. And so that opened up my eyes.
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  So it's just little building blocks to get to where I got
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  there. So then I have baby #2 and we're
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  two under 2. I'm in over my head.
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  My husband's working a lot. I'm home alone with the other
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  ones. And I'm like, well, we need a
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  break. And we're again, I'm not doing
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  again. I'm not even opposed to
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  contraceptives. We're just using other formats
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  that don't require hormones. And, and then I of course I get
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  pregnant with baby #3 but that's our biggest age gap though a
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  whop in 20-4 months. I think maybe it's a little bit
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  more, but we have, I have baby #3 and we always wanted 4,
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  though I should say that we were always open to four.
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  So it's not as if we went in thinking like, oh, we don't want
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  to have a big family. So we were always open to 4.
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  But I will say when I had baby number one, that was the hardest
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  transition for me, going from zero to 1 because it's a whole
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  life change. It's a whole life.
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  Change. Right.
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  And I know people and I know 1 to 2 is really hard, especially
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  when you got 2 under 2 or honestly any age gap.
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  I know that's a difficult challenge and I'm not trying to
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  say it's not. But zero to 1 was hard because
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  that was the first time I was a mom and the sleep deprivation,
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  Oh my gosh, I was not prepared for that.
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  And you know, when I tried all the things, the sleep training,
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  all this and it just I gave up on all of that.
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  So just want. To be with you.
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  Yeah, yeah. Be with you.
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  Yeah. And and, and breastfeeding, it
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  was just that was really hard. Breastfeeding was really, really
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  hard and everything just hit me like a ton of bricks.
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  And actually, you know what, one of my first, actually my very
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  first viral video. No, it's my, I had, I did have
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  one viral video, but it was just a fun video.
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  My first viral video that was educational was me talking about
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  everything I needed to heal during postpartum.
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  That got 11 million views on TikTok.
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  And in that video, I talked about the products I used that
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  helped me heal. And I said if and if any, if
• 17:01
  you're interested in any of these products or you want the
• 17:02
  links to anything I specified head over to my Instagram.
• 17:04
  And that is how my following bill actually on Instagram was
• 17:07
  from that TikTok. So then I ended up posting that
• 17:10
  video on Instagram and that's how it started.
• 17:12
  So then I started making pregnancy education videos.
• 17:15
  But anyways, circling back postpartum kicked my butt and I
• 17:18
  was not prepared for it. I don't feel like it was
• 17:20
  something we were ever really taught.
• 17:21
  Like you're not. You're bleeding for like almost
• 17:24
  6. Weeks you don't even know what
• 17:26
  happened a lot of the time or what to expect.
• 17:28
  I thought too, I was scared easily.
• 17:30
  Yeah, I've never had AC section. But then I, you know, obviously
• 17:33
  I have friends who have and I remember being like, wait, why
• 17:35
  do you bleed for six months or six weeks?
• 17:37
  Why do you bleed for six weeks? You had AC section, but it's
• 17:40
  like, oh, wait, no, you the placenta's out.
• 17:42
  Like you have a womb the size of a dinner plate, like, but it's
• 17:45
  just, if I didn't like, how do I not know this about my own body,
• 17:47
  you know? And so there was so much I
• 17:50
  didn't know and just how I mean, I don't want to be too TMI for
• 17:53
  your for your listeners. No topic is off limits.
• 17:57
  That's one of our life, just. Like, you know, if you, and
• 17:59
  here's the thing, here's reality of some of the childbirths, you
• 18:02
  won't. It's not, it's not a guarantee
• 18:04
  that you will tear. It all depends on how you birth.
• 18:06
  But I did tear and it was very difficult to just go to the
• 18:10
  bathroom. So there were all these products
• 18:12
  I had to use, like soy cream. My first, my first, Yeah.
• 18:15
  What was the degree if you want to share, I don't know if.
• 18:17
  You that bad? It wasn't that bad.
• 18:18
  It was a few stitches, but like it hurt.
• 18:20
  I've never experienced that before, so no, I know women who
• 18:23
  experience like way worse, but it wasn't that bad.
• 18:26
  But it was, you know, there was a lot of what's called like
• 18:28
  purple pushing where I was like forced to push.
• 18:30
  Like I just didn't know what I was doing, you know, and 1st
• 18:33
  Yeah. And so, but I was just like,
• 18:35
  everything hurt. Like I could like I was wearing
• 18:37
  this, you know, what felt like a diaper for so many weeks.
• 18:40
  I just was so unprepared and I didn't even know.
• 18:42
  And, you know, I kind of was like, why did my mom tell me
• 18:45
  this? But I remember because I feel
• 18:47
  like the generation before us, they, I feel like that's kind of
• 18:51
  where it started with the less kids, right?
• 18:53
  Like my parents only had two kids and my husband's parents
• 18:56
  only had two kids. And I remember going to high
• 18:58
  school and it would be really rare to find people who had more
• 19:01
  than like 2 or like two siblings honestly.
• 19:03
  That's a good point. That's like the so it's like the
• 19:05
  post sexual revolution generation that thinks that it's
• 19:09
  actually good for the environment and everyone.
• 19:11
  I get a. Lot of hate on what I do to the
• 19:13
  environment. OK, OK.
• 19:15
  We. Can get to that.
• 19:16
  We'll get to that. But that's a very interesting
• 19:18
  point that it is a generational kind of trend how many kids to
• 19:22
  have. And I think when you get to the
• 19:23
  millennial generation, our generation, it's like there's a
• 19:25
  little bit more of a space for people that have more children.
• 19:29
  Like it's a thing to have more children for some like niche
• 19:32
  group, but there's still this overwhelming one or two, one and
• 19:36
  done, 2 and done. And when you go to the hospital,
• 19:38
  like after every birth I've had, I've been asked about
• 19:41
  contraception, I've been asked about are you done?
• 19:44
  And literally everywhere I go, you know, almost every time I
• 19:49
  have a, a sweet interaction with a stranger.
• 19:51
  Not, not every time, but many times they'll say, you know, and
• 19:55
  this is obviously, too, if they don't really know who I am,
• 19:58
  they'll say, how many you know, are you done?
• 20:00
  You know, are you done? Yeah.
• 20:01
  And I think that's just a but usually it's a boomer generation
• 20:05
  asking that which is. Interesting, I get asked by
• 20:07
  everyone. Are you very done?
• 20:08
  But but you're right. Yeah, it.
• 20:09
  Is, and the reason why I bring that up is because it had just
• 20:13
  been so long since my mom has experienced any of this, right?
• 20:15
  And so my mom's wonderful, by the way, she's like always by my
• 20:18
  side and I love her so much. And but I'm just as speaking
• 20:23
  more generally, as a more generally, not specific to my
• 20:26
  situation or my mother, but speaking generally that I think
• 20:30
  that we lose a little bit of the education and how to pass that
• 20:34
  knowledge down to our daughters. Because if that if the last kid
• 20:39
  you had was when you were 25, because they also had their kids
• 20:42
  younger too, right? So if you had your last time you
• 20:44
  had a kid was at 25 and now and now we're having kids older,
• 20:48
  right? So now it's been how many years
• 20:49
  since you had a baby? Like you probably just don't
• 20:51
  remember a lot of this stuff, you know?
• 20:52
  And so I think we've lost that generational knowledge of
• 20:56
  passing down to our daughters about what to expect.
• 21:00
  So I was just hit like a ton of Brixen postpartum, you know,
• 21:03
  after my first, I was kind of like, can we be 1 and done like
• 21:06
  this? I have 6 now.
• 21:08
  And this is something I said. I said can we be 1 and done?
• 21:10
  And my husband's like, is that really what you want?
• 21:12
  As of right now, yes. Well, the worst time to ask a
• 21:15
  woman how many kids she wants for not all women, but some is
• 21:18
  right after they deliver and they're in the dregs of
• 21:20
  postpartum. And I really do encourage women
• 21:23
  to not make permanent choices during that time, you know,
• 21:27
  because I know it's hard. I've, I've been there.
• 21:30
  I've been there. And to see you're not going to
• 21:32
  see the light at the end. And I think it's so a big thing
• 21:34
  I tell my a big thing I tell my audience as they go, it's all a
• 21:37
  season. And I wasn't able to have that
• 21:39
  perspective as a first time mom. You think this is your new
• 21:41
  normal. You think this is everything,
• 21:43
  but it really is all a season. And now that I've been through
• 21:47
  it, I think that's another reason why I'm very open to life
• 21:50
  is because I'm like, OK, like all these these newborn
• 21:52
  trenches, these postpartum trenches, like it's all a
• 21:55
  season. And also their sacrifices and
• 21:57
  sacrifices, they're not bad sacrifices is giving something
• 22:02
  up of comfort now for something so much greater in the future.
• 22:05
  So yeah, like, pregnancy is hard.
• 22:07
  Like people just assume I'm really easy pregnancies because
• 22:09
  I just keep and I'm like, no, like, I mean, I know there's
• 22:11
  people who have much worse. I don't have complicated
• 22:13
  pregnancies, you know, thankfully.
• 22:15
  But they're not, they're not easy on me.
• 22:17
  I have massive babies talking like my last one was almost 11
• 22:20
  lbs. What?
• 22:21
  Yeah. What?
• 22:22
  And I don't no gestational diabetes.
• 22:23
  Everyone always ask that and. Wait, right, that full term?
• 22:26
  Probably. Full term, yeah, like 42 weeks.
• 22:28
  OK, I'm really late. Wow, a boy or a girl?
• 22:31
  She was a girl, she was. A girl but my.
• 22:33
  First my first 10 pounder was a girl an. 11 LB baby.
• 22:36
  Almost she was like 1013. Wow.
• 22:37
  Or. Not congratulations.
• 22:41
  It was my best birth too. It was my most pain free birth.
• 22:44
  I mean, I did have an epidural did.
• 22:45
  You have an epidural? Yeah, OK.
• 22:47
  But I've also. We're very real here.
• 22:50
  I have I've had number drill for all the kids I've tried.
• 22:53
  I try so hard to go without and then I hit a point where I'm.
• 22:56
  The competitions that we get our the mindset competitions we get
• 23:00
  into ourselves as women's like, can I do it without the
• 23:02
  epidural? And I think that it's very
• 23:04
  beautiful to go without the epidural if you want that.
• 23:07
  And I if you can, I was no epidural for my first and then
• 23:09
  the second two we did epidural. It was all great.
• 23:11
  Yeah. But I mean, yeah, highly
• 23:13
  recommend whatever you wanna do for you.
• 23:14
  I think that's amazing, especially if you have the right
• 23:16
  coaching and stuff. It's totally doable.
• 23:18
  But I also I'm just, it's not for me.
• 23:23
  I think everyone is entitled to their own birth experience, but
• 23:26
  I have. But I've had epidurals not work.
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  When was the aha moment for you in terms of it's not just about
• 24:29
  oh, I happened to keep having babies and it was more like, oh,
• 24:32
  I'm going to we're going to like intentionally shift the mindset
• 24:34
  instead of this is a struggle. This is a surprise.
• 24:37
  It's like, well, yes, it's a struggle because like, you know,
• 24:40
  being a mother, there's so much struggle sounds like such a
• 24:43
  negative word, but there are challenges.
• 24:45
  You know, there are sacrifices is the word that you used
• 24:48
  beautifully earlier, like for sure, but it was instead this is
• 24:51
  actually who we are and how we feel called to be by God.
• 24:55
  Yes, OK, yes. So I wanted to go over actually,
• 24:58
  yeah, all these struggles, but they were all like the building
• 25:00
  blocks into how I got here, essentially.
• 25:02
  So I, I think I want to paint a picture that I never was just
• 25:06
  this, Oh yeah, I'm going to have a lot of kids and I'm going to
• 25:09
  be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen like I was.
• 25:12
  That was never my vibe. Actually, you know, even back
• 25:15
  like in my college days, I, I have a, a joke I say on my, on
• 25:17
  some of my, on some of my reels when I talk about our story is
• 25:20
  like, if you were to have told 23 year old Chrissy that one day
• 25:23
  she would grow up to have six kids and want to have a mini
• 25:26
  farm, I would have thrown my Cosmopolitan in your face.
• 25:28
  Like that was just not my vibe. So I want to share these things
• 25:32
  because it's like, I have been there as a mom and I have been
• 25:34
  through those struggles. And I was that mom who was like,
• 25:37
  oh, we're done, We're done. You know, so how so?
• 25:40
  So what shifted is the big thing.
• 25:42
  So I'd get over the hump and I was like, OK, four.
• 25:46
  Like we're still on plan to have four.
• 25:47
  I get pregnant with baby #4 and my husband is set to have a
• 25:51
  vasectomy and it's those. Are so popular, by the way.
• 25:55
  Oh, there's vasectomy parties. Like, yeah, I know.
• 25:58
  They're very. Popular people, people of our
• 26:00
  values, too, Like they're like, Oh yeah, well, of course that's
• 26:02
  the responsible thing. And it's, it's something we're
• 26:04
  told it kind of goes back to the environmentalist stuff too as
• 26:06
  well. Like you're doing the
• 26:07
  responsible thing is what we're kind of told as well.
• 26:09
  And like, and I understand too, the hardships that come with,
• 26:12
  you know, I have AI have a lot of support and I know not
• 26:15
  everyone does. And so that whenever I talk
• 26:16
  about my, my journey and how I got here, I like to be very
• 26:19
  clear that this is my journey and I share it, You know, if it,
• 26:23
  if it inspires you, that's wonderful.
• 26:25
  But in, in no way am I trying to tell anyone else how to live.
• 26:27
  But I, I want to share my story and it is mine though.
• 26:30
  And it's, I'm not trying to push anything on anyone else by any
• 26:33
  means, But I, I never want to come off as, you know,
• 26:36
  judgmental, you know, I have, I have friends who, who have
• 26:39
  vasectomies and stuff and I never, you know, I don't think
• 26:42
  of them any differently, you know what I mean?
• 26:43
  So. Well, of course, and I think I
• 26:45
  think the thing to note here that you're saying is that with
• 26:48
  vasectomies, it is something that is recommended.
• 26:51
  People are thinking this is the this is actually the responsible
• 26:54
  thing to do because then my wife doesn't have to go on birth
• 26:56
  control. So that's seen as this good
• 26:58
  thing. So anyways, I'm.
• 26:59
  Curious. It is.
• 27:00
  It's very much part of our culture really.
• 27:02
  It really is part of our culture.
• 27:04
  And so my husband was set, he was going to go get that
• 27:06
  vasectomy after baby number 4 was born and I got pregnant baby
• 27:10
  #4 you know, during the pandemic, surprise, like how
• 27:12
  many pandemic babies are there? And so, you know, it was a, it
• 27:18
  was a scary time. And my mom encouraged me to
• 27:22
  check out a new parish. So during the pandemic, that is
• 27:25
  kind of when Tim and I, that Tim is my husband, we stopped doing
• 27:29
  the choir because everything got shut down, right?
• 27:31
  They're like, no singing, right? Because we're in, we're in
• 27:33
  Southern California. Like we should make that
• 27:35
  probably clear. We're in California where there
• 27:36
  was a lot of rules during that time, right?
• 27:39
  And so they, the big thing was like, no singing.
• 27:42
  And so I was like, OK, well, maybe that's our cue.
• 27:44
  Like we have, we have three kids.
• 27:45
  I'm pregnant with baby number four.
• 27:46
  It was getting really hard because I had to pick out all
• 27:47
  the music too, and, you know, make sure it was liturgically
• 27:49
  correct and like, does it go with the readings?
• 27:51
  And, you know, and so there was a lot that went into it.
• 27:53
  So I was like, I think we're done.
• 27:54
  I think we've served our time doing this choir.
• 27:56
  I think that chapter is closed. So once that was off the table,
• 27:59
  my mom encouraged me to check out a new parish and they
• 28:03
  actually had a homeschool ministry and I already decided I
• 28:06
  wanted to homeschool at that point.
• 28:07
  I think the pandemic really solidified that for me because
• 28:10
  my kids education didn't have to change.
• 28:12
  Granted they were very young. I, I mean, I think my youngest
• 28:14
  was, he was very young. I think he was like in
• 28:17
  kindergarten, maybe so, but that kind of solidified my choice to
• 28:20
  homeschool. She's like, oh, you should check
• 28:21
  out this new parish. So we roll up to the parish and
• 28:23
  there's just sprinter vans galore.
• 28:26
  And I'm like, what? What's up with all the sprinter
• 28:28
  vans? Because despite being raised
• 28:29
  Catholic, I maybe knew one family that had maybe like 8
• 28:33
  kids. Other than that, everyone had
• 28:35
  about two or three. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:38
  And so I was, I had so many preconceived notions about big
• 28:42
  families. I, I thought it was selfish to
• 28:45
  have a lot of kids. Like, oh, you just must really
• 28:47
  like the baby stage. Like I mean, just the comments I
• 28:51
  get are is what I thought so maybe it's my way of being
• 28:54
  humble, but this was every comment I get that's negative
• 28:57
  was probably a thought I had in my younger years about big
• 29:00
  families and what. Are some more examples of those
• 29:03
  thoughts? You have babies just because you
• 29:06
  want babies. You just like the babies.
• 29:07
  You're selfish. What's another one?
• 29:10
  I don't care about the Earth. That's a big one I get.
• 29:13
  You're just trying the other. That one's that one's
• 29:15
  interesting though, too, because big families, I I need to pull
• 29:21
  up the the statistics on this, but they actually don't use as
• 29:24
  many resources because one, we probably travel less.
• 29:26
  We're not we're not yeah, we're not hopping on planes often,
• 29:29
  right. We're not door dashing often.
• 29:33
  There's there's a lot to it, a lot of hand me down clothes, a
• 29:35
  lot of, you know, reusing. There's, there's just so many,
• 29:37
  so many things with that. I'm not prepared for that
• 29:40
  argument. I don't have enough of the the
• 29:41
  data to but that is a video I think I will make eventually.
• 29:45
  I love that concept. But yeah, the environmental, the
• 29:49
  selfishness. Did you ever?
• 29:51
  Get oh, you can't care for the first child because you have too
• 29:54
  many other. Children, I actually just made a
• 29:55
  video on this. It's a it's a YouTube video.
• 29:58
  It's a long form YouTube video, but I made a video on how it is
• 30:01
  possible to give each kid your attention.
• 30:03
  And I think I don't know if you want to keep going on the
• 30:06
  journey or if you want to just kind of circle back to some of
• 30:08
  this stuff. But if we're talking about the
• 30:09
  attention, what I've noticed when it comes to people saying
• 30:14
  like you, there's no way you can give those kids attention.
• 30:18
  They say, yes, a mother's love is endless, but her time is not.
• 30:22
  And I totally understand that. But what I've noticed is people
• 30:25
  are saying you can't give kids enough attention, but they're
• 30:28
  looking at through the lens of their life with two kids.
• 30:30
  So for example, if I just had my two older boys, they probably
• 30:34
  both be in travel sports, right? And we would be busy.
• 30:37
  We would be going to tournaments at 7:00 AM on a Saturday.
• 30:40
  We would be going driving 40 minutes away to this next
• 30:42
  tournament. And we they would both be in it,
• 30:44
  right? So we'd be having different
• 30:45
  schedules. I might even be working more,
• 30:48
  right? And then my husband, who knows,
• 30:50
  he might be having it because because of all the kids we've
• 30:52
  had, we've shifted careers and stuff, right?
• 30:54
  But if we just had the two, our careers probably would have
• 30:57
  stayed more. I didn't have one.
• 30:59
  But if I was, you know, doing social, let's say I was doing
• 31:02
  social media back then, right? I probably would have dedicated
• 31:05
  more time to that because I would have had less kids and
• 31:07
  like more time, right? And so when you look at having a
• 31:11
  lot of kids through the lens of your life of like, let's say you
• 31:14
  have two, that's not the life we're living though.
• 31:17
  Like I have, my kids are definitely in recreational
• 31:19
  sports, they're in club sports, but no, I don't have them in
• 31:21
  travel sports. So it's all local.
• 31:24
  It's, you know, we drive a few minutes down the street to go
• 31:26
  where they need to go now. Now, if my kids show some great
• 31:28
  promise like they're the next big athlete, OK, we'll cross
• 31:32
  that bridge when it comes. I'm not going to hold them back
• 31:33
  from their dreams. But as of right now, my oldest
• 31:35
  is 9. So I think we have some time.
• 31:37
  So, so we don't have that that same demanding schedule one we
• 31:42
  homeschool and I think that gives a lot of time back that I
• 31:45
  don't think it does give a lot of time back.
• 31:48
  So I'm with my kids all day and when I homeschool, it's all
• 31:50
  one-on-one. So I sit down with with an older
• 31:52
  one and we do it and we move, we move around.
• 31:56
  And so when you look at big families through the lens of
• 31:59
  having your size family, of course it's going to seem like
• 32:02
  they can't give them enough attention, but their lifestyle
• 32:04
  is probably vastly different than yours.
• 32:06
  So that's that's. Such a good point.
• 32:07
  And I do want to we'll get into that more too.
• 32:11
  And I know I keep like, you know, there's so many.
• 32:14
  Directions. There's so many directions.
• 32:15
  Here, which is beautiful. So so you were getting, so you
• 32:19
  get to this church, you're seeing the sprinter bands,
• 32:21
  you're thinking of all the different things that moms, the
• 32:25
  things that you thought about moms that had all of these
• 32:28
  children and then. OK, so then I meet them right?
• 32:31
  And they're amazing. They're like the most amazing
• 32:33
  woman I've ever met in my life and I'm everything I thought was
• 32:38
  just kind of proven wrong to me in my face.
• 32:41
  And it proved to me too. I actually don't know.
• 32:44
  I have all these judgments and preconceived notions, but have I
• 32:47
  ever really been around a big family?
• 32:49
  No. And then, you know, I'll going
• 32:51
  back to my comments, a lot of people say, well, I came from 7
• 32:54
  kids and it was the worst experience.
• 32:56
  I get that one a lot too, right? Like, I'm really sorry for that
• 32:59
  for you. And I'm not trying to invalidate
• 33:00
  your experience whatsoever, but I know kids who come from 2 two
• 33:04
  siblings and they've had a rough life too.
• 33:07
  So I, I, oh the big one parent fine that your older ones are
• 33:13
  going to parent fie your kids because there's too many of
• 33:16
  them. How can you take care of them?
• 33:17
  So you're going to put that responsibility on your older
• 33:19
  kids. That's the biggest assumption I
• 33:21
  get, which is absolutely not true.
• 33:22
  My oldest has never even changed a diaper, which I don't even
• 33:24
  know if that's a good thing. I really don't because because
• 33:27
  here's the thing, a big thing I like to preach to just over
• 33:29
  talking about big families is we want to teach our kids to be
• 33:33
  valuable contributing members to society.
• 33:36
  And that starts in the home. And we are becoming increasingly
• 33:41
  more selfish as a culture. And so you can teach your
• 33:45
  children ways to participate in the home and that we all live
• 33:47
  here in ways that we support one another without them being
• 33:50
  without them being parents, Right.
• 33:52
  And so I'll see something like if my child, one of my older
• 33:55
  ones is holding the baby and it happens to get caught on camera,
• 33:58
  people like look at the older one raising that baby.
• 34:00
  And I'm like, no, they just they truly love their siblings.
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  Another thing, my kids love their siblings.
• 34:05
  Like they love each other. They fight, don't get me wrong,
• 34:07
  but they really enjoy one another.
• 34:09
  And they really, the babies they really enjoy.
• 34:12
  I mean, they just can't get enough of these babies.
• 34:14
  Like when when I bring home a baby, it's like everyone's,
• 34:18
  everyone's, yeah, everyone wants to hold the baby.
• 34:19
  Everyone's everything. And like, they're always
• 34:21
  fighting over who can hold the baby, you know?
• 34:23
  And so they truly love their younger siblings.
• 34:28
  And so I don't know, I see the way they bond and stuff and I'm
• 34:32
  just like have a hard time believing like I'm I'm stealing
• 34:36
  anything from them when I see how how they're living the.
• 34:39
  One thing would be stealing is if you said no to that sibling
• 34:42
  that they could have had. Yeah, think about it that way, I
• 34:45
  mean. They were their siblings.
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  Yeah. I'm like, which one should I
• 34:48
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  But yeah, we want to teach them to be contributing my society.
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  And that really starts that really starts in the home.
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  And so, yeah, I, I'm going to have my children help
• 36:09
  definitely. They need to know, they need to
• 36:11
  learn how to be helpful. And this is going to prepare
• 36:14
  them to be great spouses one day and to be involved in their
• 36:17
  children's life. But it doesn't replace
• 36:19
  parenting. It's not as if they're the ones
• 36:21
  getting up in the middle of the night with the baby.
• 36:22
  They're not the ones who are responsible for making sure the
• 36:25
  younger ones are fed. Now that's parent find where the
• 36:27
  older one is making sure all the kids are fed, the one getting up
• 36:30
  in the middle of the night with all the kids.
• 36:31
  Like that's I can see that. But that people will assume
• 36:34
  because you have a big family, that must be how it is.
• 36:37
  And another thing is they'll think I can barely do it too.
• 36:41
  There's no way you're able to do it with six, right?
• 36:43
  But I thought that way when I had to, right.
• 36:46
  And I just did another video on this.
• 36:47
  You cannot compare your chapter 2 to someone's Chapter 11.
• 36:51
  So when you see the mom with six kids and you think, how is she
• 36:54
  doing that? I have two and I'm drowning.
• 36:56
  She thought the exact same thing when she had two because she's
• 37:00
  how she got there was a journey, right?
• 37:02
  So it's not that she's doing motherhood better than you by
• 37:05
  any means. She's just gone through more
• 37:07
  steps to get there. And more experience yields more
• 37:10
  patience. I was way less patient with my 2
• 37:14
  when I when I just had two and I've earned, I've gained more
• 37:16
  patience through prayer by the Holy Spirit and through just my
• 37:20
  experience of having more kids and the fact that you just have
• 37:23
  to surrender like you, like my house cannot stay as clean as it
• 37:27
  used to be. You know what I mean?
• 37:28
  You just have to surrender some things.
• 37:30
  But that was a journey to get there.
• 37:32
  So, so to the parent who who sees the mom of 6 and thinks
• 37:38
  sometimes we project, right? And we think she must not be
• 37:41
  giving them enough attention because there's no way because
• 37:43
  I'm drowning with these two. She was drowning too.
• 37:45
  She was drowning too at one point because it was all new to
• 37:46
  her too. So I think that's another thing.
• 37:49
  And sometimes we'll think we'll project what we're capable of on
• 37:53
  other people. And so I don't mean this in a
• 37:56
  bragging like I'm better, but just because you don't think
• 38:01
  you're capable of giving them enough attention doesn't mean
• 38:04
  this person's the same way. But again, you probably are.
• 38:08
  You're just in the trenches with two under 2 right now.
• 38:11
  And I was too. And I felt the same way.
• 38:12
  So it's just you, we, we, the best thing we can do is not to
• 38:16
  compare our journeys because how we got there is how we're able
• 38:19
  to handle these things, right. So those are some of the, the
• 38:21
  talks about big family. So we'll circle back to how I
• 38:24
  how, why I end up having so many kids when I didn't even want
• 38:27
  more than four. So I meet these women and my mom
• 38:31
  got pretty involved at this church and she would host baby
• 38:34
  blessings. So whenever a baby was due like
• 38:37
  within the month, they would all the pregnant women who were due
• 38:40
  within that month that we build a baby blessing and we say
• 38:42
  prayers over them and we, you know, do a rosary and we just
• 38:46
  chat and get together. And because this was very big
• 38:49
  family friendly, there was always like a group of women
• 38:52
  pregnant and do within the month, right?
• 38:54
  And I was one of them. I was pregnant with baby #4 So
• 38:56
  my mom was like, you should come to the baby blessing and meet
• 38:59
  these other women and you'll be one of the women we pray over.
• 39:02
  And I was like, OK, so I go and there's like four other women
• 39:06
  pregnant and then there's a big turn out and I sit down at a
• 39:09
  table next to some women who looked around the same age as
• 39:12
  me. And I said, so when do you think
• 39:15
  you're done having kids? Like, so when do you know that
• 39:17
  you're done having kids? And they kind of these women
• 39:20
  were devout Catholics by the way.
• 39:22
  They were properly categorized. They knew, they knew the
• 39:24
  church's teachings. And they were like, they were so
• 39:28
  gracious with me, like, well, what, what do you mean?
• 39:31
  How do you know when you're done?
• 39:31
  Like, what do you mean? How do you know when you're
• 39:33
  done? Like, you heard me, Like what?
• 39:36
  Like what? And so they start talking to me
• 39:41
  and I'm like, well, we never know when we're done, done.
• 39:46
  We're open to whatever God God gives us.
• 39:48
  And I'm like, excuse me, I'm 33. Like you're telling me I can
• 39:56
  have like 12 more kids if I go this route?
• 39:57
  Like no thank you. And I kind of start freaking out
• 40:01
  these poor women. Like they don't even know me.
• 40:02
  And I'm like, what do you mean? Like I'm 33 and like I already
• 40:05
  have 4 kids and like. Oh my gosh, what do you mean?
• 40:08
  Like if I'm trying to follow the Catholic teachings, like what?
• 40:10
  And I start freaking out and then she like, you know, they're
• 40:12
  so-called me like, no, no, there's natural family planning.
• 40:15
  Like the church, the church indoors.
• 40:16
  Like, you know, they promote natural family planning.
• 40:19
  And I, you know, I knew what that was, but I didn't know
• 40:21
  about all the different methods. I'm like, Oh no, there's like
• 40:23
  really reliable methods. There's a Marquette method and
• 40:26
  you test your ovulation and you chart and you this and you that.
• 40:29
  So this was all new information to me, but it's basically cycle
• 40:31
  tracking, right? And you use, you track your
• 40:34
  cycle and then you abstain during ovulation.
• 40:36
  And I remember being like, well, how's that different than birth
• 40:38
  control? Like, how is that?
• 40:40
  You know, trying to, I know everything, right?
• 40:42
  And so, and then I really did learn like, well, there's a
• 40:45
  sacrifice involved with that. There is a sacrifice when you,
• 40:50
  when you abstain and, and it's not you taking anything to
• 40:53
  purposely provide anything, right?
• 40:54
  You're just abstaining. So anyways, I was not sold on
• 40:57
  this. I was like, who's making up this
• 41:00
  rules? Is it priests who don't have any
• 41:02
  kids? I was like, I was like, where's
• 41:07
  the date in the Bible? So I go home, I'm not happy.
• 41:11
  And I tell and I tell my husband I'm like bait, did you know
• 41:15
  this? And he's like, you're like, we
• 41:19
  were the choir director you. Didn't know this.
• 41:22
  That's what they guys like. Just because people go to mass
• 41:24
  doesn't mean they know things like that was us.
• 41:27
  I didn't know and but it does, you know, we go to mass no
• 41:32
  matter what, right? But anyways, so he's like,
• 41:36
  that's not no, that's not true. So we're like we're, we're,
• 41:41
  we're going to prove the church wrong.
• 41:42
  OK, This church has been around 2000 years.
• 41:44
  We're going to prove you wrong. OK, Millennials, we're going to
• 41:46
  do it. So we go on the rampage with
• 41:52
  yeah, so we, we go and research and we're like researching for
• 41:56
  our point of view. And we're like we're researching
• 41:59
  like to solidify our argument. Just to clarify, the point of
• 42:01
  view is like what was your point of view?
• 42:04
  Oh, that you can completely be done when you want to be done.
• 42:07
  There was nothing wrong with. Plenty already.
• 42:09
  Like yeah, we have 4. Like what more do you want from
• 42:11
  us? Like we can totally make.
• 42:12
  As many as this guy. Like come on, man.
• 42:15
  Like we can get, he can get a vasectomy, you know, so, so
• 42:18
  we're researching and researching.
• 42:19
  And again, we're researching to prove our point, right.
• 42:22
  So we're Googling what we need to Google to get what we want to
• 42:25
  get. That we can have this vasectomy,
• 42:27
  we're done with kids. Like that's totally fine.
• 42:29
  Why are you? Why is there this other
• 42:31
  standard? Exactly.
• 42:32
  And I, I do want to emphasize Morgan, we're just talking about
• 42:34
  my journey here. We're just talking about my
• 42:35
  husband's journey. So as we're doing this research,
• 42:39
  it's like more and more making sense to us why the church is
• 42:42
  teaching this. And we're like, which I thought
• 42:44
  was very interesting because you're trying to prove it wrong,
• 42:46
  right? And so you're going in and
• 42:48
  you're going in and you're trying to, you're putting
• 42:49
  certain keywords in to make sure you can get your point validated
• 42:52
  because we're living in a time where any point can be
• 42:54
  validated. Look at all the, all the
• 42:56
  theories out there, right? You can say anything about
• 42:59
  anything and be like, no, that's wrong because and you can sound
• 43:02
  very convincing. So why weren't we finding
• 43:04
  anything to convince us like to, to show that we were right.
• 43:07
  So the more we research why and why, why, the more we became
• 43:10
  convicted. And and so the big thing, OK,
• 43:15
  now this is like where it gets this work.
• 43:17
  It's like a hot topic issue was I learned more about why God
• 43:27
  created sex, right? Because it's enjoyable, right?
• 43:31
  And you want to do it a lot, right, when you're with the
• 43:35
  right person, right. And so I was like, it's like,
• 43:40
  I'm like blushing 'cause. I fucking talk like.
• 43:44
  Her husband's really like, what is she going to say?
• 43:46
  It's. Funny, you're you're the you're
• 43:49
  doing a Mama session with me. I'm.
• 43:51
  Not always ask me anything. Monday ask me anything.
• 43:55
  Mama, Mama Monday. Ask me anything.
• 43:57
  And by the way, I think it's great to talk about how great
• 44:00
  sex is. Yes.
• 44:01
  To help make sure people understand like this is a good
• 44:03
  thing we've been given. It's amazing and especially with
• 44:06
  the right person with the right person.
• 44:08
  And here's another thing. I mean, if you want to talk
• 44:09
  about sex, I, I can do this whole thing about sex.
• 44:12
  But you know, Full disclosure, my husband and I did not wait
• 44:17
  until marriage. And it's a big, big regret of
• 44:21
  ours. And because here's the thing, we
• 44:24
  once we got married or whatever, we grew together in this.
• 44:30
  So what we have not this would ever happen, but like if we
• 44:35
  divorce, we you know, an old remarried would never happen.
• 44:38
  But that can never be recreated, right?
• 44:40
  Like what we have is something just uniquely between US and we
• 44:44
  grew together in this. And my poor husband, he's like,
• 44:47
  what is she going to say? I mean, I have 6 kids with him.
• 44:51
  Like it's obviously a very enjoyable experience, but it's
• 44:54
  something that is so unique to us because we grew together in
• 44:57
  it and we learned through it together.
• 44:59
  And when I was researching NFP, what I learned was sex becomes
• 45:05
  sacred again with NFP. So what I mean by that is when I
• 45:09
  was on birth control, we're having pre and real sex and then
• 45:11
  we get married, but I'm still on birth control.
• 45:12
  Sex was available whenever we wanted because I don't want to
• 45:15
  get pregnant. So there I don't want to call
• 45:16
  pregnancy a consequence by any means.
• 45:19
  I guess it's not necessarily a bad thing.
• 45:20
  OK, perfect. Yeah.
• 45:22
  And so pregnancy is the consequence of of, you know,
• 45:25
  having having sex, right. So when you have on birth
• 45:28
  control, you don't have to worry about that, right?
• 45:31
  So you can just do it whenever you want.
• 45:32
  And sex is just always available, which sounds great in
• 45:35
  theory, right? But it becomes pretty routine at
• 45:39
  that point. You know, like when's the last
• 45:41
  time you just like had a make out session with your husband
• 45:44
  that it didn't go anywhere when, you know, if you're not
• 45:46
  practicing out a fee, right? When's the last time you just
• 45:48
  like had those butterflies make out sessions like you did when
• 45:51
  you were younger? Right.
• 45:53
  And I mean, I know people, OK, like, I guess that kind of
• 45:55
  depends if you save your first kiss for marriage too.
• 45:58
  I I did not do that obviously, but.
• 45:59
  You're saying it's easy to take it for granted exactly because
• 46:02
  it's always there and it's almost always there to the point
• 46:05
  where you don't even like some couples, like don't even have
• 46:08
  they're not even being intimate with each other because like
• 46:10
  that availability creates these routines, create these
• 46:13
  distractions and busyness. So like they're not even having
• 46:16
  sex, they're not even making time for each other.
• 46:18
  And you know my like hot take on this, I get totally anecdotal.
• 46:22
  I'll throw us out there from the experiences of the women that I
• 46:25
  know is that the women who use NFP are actually ultimately
• 46:29
  having a lot more sex than the women who are on birth control
• 46:32
  in their marriages because they are, you know, there is this
• 46:38
  view of sex which is beautiful and we extremely positive and
• 46:44
  really intentional. Like we are going to have this
• 46:47
  space and time to be together. And it's holy.
• 46:50
  Whether you're trying to achieve children or because there's a
• 46:52
  serious reason you're avoiding, you know, children because
• 46:55
  you're preparing, you know, financially or health issues or
• 46:58
  whatever. And sex becomes like takes back
• 47:01
  this more sacred, like you said, space.
• 47:04
  Exactly. And once I learned that because
• 47:06
  it was, it was, it would become really routine and I felt like
• 47:10
  it kind of lost that specialness essentially.
• 47:13
  And so when we started practicing NFP, it was like, we,
• 47:16
  we, we couldn't do it sometimes when we wanted to.
• 47:19
  And that kind of made things a little steamier, like not going
• 47:21
  to lie. And so when so after baby #4 we
• 47:27
  become very like, convicted in this, right?
• 47:29
  And it's like, OK, fine, we're going to do this.
• 47:31
  But I wasn't happy about it and I said, OK, I'm going to do the
• 47:35
  Marquette method, which is a great method by the way.
• 47:37
  It's one of the most like proven methods and but it is tricky
• 47:41
  when you are postpartum. And just like birth control is
• 47:44
  not 100%, IUD is not 100%, nothing is 100%.
• 47:48
  The only 100% against pregnancy is abstinence.
• 47:50
  OK, So yes, IUD birth control like they have a much higher
• 47:54
  rate, but it's never 100%. I can't tell you how many moms
• 47:57
  have had got pregnant with their IUDI have pictures sent to me
• 48:00
  with babies holding the IUD in their hand.
• 48:02
  Like if moms like put it in their hand and be like, Oh my
• 48:04
  IUD baby. So the Marquette method, I think
• 48:07
  it's something like 98% effective when used right.
• 48:09
  And then it's like it's pretty effective to postpartum because
• 48:12
  of like an algorithm. And basically if for anyone I'm
• 48:14
  familiar with Marquette method is it tests your urine every
• 48:17
  single day. And for where you are in
• 48:19
  ovulation, you use a, you use a clear blue monitor and it tests
• 48:21
  to see where you are ovulating. And they really recommend you
• 48:25
  get a coach. So I got a coach.
• 48:26
  And again, I'm postpartum, so my cycle has not returned yet.
• 48:28
  And I'm exclusively breastfeeding.
• 48:30
  By the way, I exclusively breastfeed all my kids with all
• 48:32
  these pregnancy. Yeah.
• 48:33
  So I exclusively breastfeed all my kids.
• 48:34
  People assume, like if you're exclusively breastfeeding, you
• 48:36
  won't get pregnant. And for a lot of women, that may
• 48:38
  be the case. That was never the case for me.
• 48:39
  People assume I just wasn't breastfeeding, exclusively
• 48:41
  breastfeeding and would still get pregnant.
• 48:43
  So after baby #4 I'm exclusively breastfeeding.
• 48:46
  And I'm doing the Marquette method.
• 48:47
  And they did say, you know, there's like a 2% chance that
• 48:50
  you could still get pregnant. And, you know, but that's kind
• 48:53
  of like with anything really. And so, so I'm charting, I'm
• 48:57
  doing all the things and basically how the saying goes,
• 48:59
  when you're low, you're good to go.
• 49:01
  Like, because I really needed to, I wanted space between these
• 49:03
  babies. You know, I think we had like 4
• 49:05
  under 4. Like I just, I needed like we
• 49:08
  were, we were drowning. Like they say, what's it like
• 49:11
  having, what's it like having four babies that young?
• 49:13
  It's like a, this is a, this is a skip from Jim Gaffigan, but he
• 49:16
  says what's like having five babies?
• 49:18
  And he's like, oh, imagine you're in a pool drowning and
• 49:20
  someone hands you a baby. Like that's how we felt.
• 49:22
  I think that's one of the misconceptions about the
• 49:24
  Catholic faith too and about NFP is that oh, the argument is just
• 49:28
  have as many children as fast as you physically can and that's
• 49:32
  not the position it. Yes, be fruitful and multiply,
• 49:34
  be generous, be open to life always.
• 49:37
  Like even when you're practicing NFP, you're doing it with a
• 49:40
  recognition that if for some reason something goes off with
• 49:43
  your cycle and you're still, you know, you're obviously intimate
• 49:46
  with your husband and you do conceive of new life, then
• 49:48
  that's beautiful. Like you embrace that way.
• 49:51
  But it's so it's a it's a posture of openness instead of
• 49:53
  hostility or negativity. But of course you can space.
• 49:56
  Yes, you can just start. Especially when there's all
• 49:58
  these different factors that we face in modern life.
• 50:00
  And that doesn't mean you're contracepting.
• 50:03
  That means, like you said, you're keeping sex sacred and
• 50:06
  you're not contracepting the sex.
• 50:07
  You're there's. There's going to be periods,
• 50:09
  intermittent periods of abstinence.
• 50:10
  Exactly. Yeah, you said that beautifully.
• 50:12
  And so we do the Marquette method and I'm testing, I'm
• 50:15
  charting. And it said low.
• 50:18
  It was like low. And I was like, OK, cool, we're
• 50:19
  good to go. And not to be too, too much, but
• 50:24
  we're good to go. Things happen.
• 50:26
  The next morning I test my ovulation and it doesn't say hi,
• 50:30
  it says peak ovulation detected. And I was like, how did I go
• 50:34
  from low to peak? And I'm I'm looking at my chart.
• 50:35
  I'm like, what what just happened here?
• 50:38
  And obviously I don't know if this is for sure, but I talked
• 50:40
  through it with my coach and she goes, it seems like your first
• 50:44
  egg from ovulation just got like released during this time
• 50:48
  period. It's pretty God-given, right?
• 50:50
  So I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to be pregnant.
• 50:52
  Like I knew I knew for sure. And sure enough, I was and I, I
• 50:56
  have that video up of me telling my husband that I'm pregnant
• 50:59
  with baby #5 and he's in disbelief because we were
• 51:03
  practicing, we were charting, we were doing, but again,
• 51:05
  postpartum. So I don't have my cycle back.
• 51:09
  And I was really scared because this was my closest age gap.
• 51:13
  I think they're going to be like 15 months apart.
• 51:15
  Wow. So my 4:00 to 5:00.
• 51:17
  Yeah. So yes, exactly.
• 51:19
  So my my oldest was only 5 I think when I found out I was
• 51:23
  pregnant with baby #5 And I, I mean, the video is pretty cute.
• 51:29
  That was actually a crazy viral video.
• 51:32
  If you pull it up on YouTube it's most.
• 51:35
  Popular to find? Oh, that's easy.
• 51:37
  It's most popular. OK, no way.
• 51:48
  It's a pretty young baby in his hand.
• 51:51
  I'm crying right now. How old are you, Christian?
• 51:56
  Seven months. Here's six months.
• 52:06
  So is it? It's positive.
• 52:13
  I like her every time. I'm but look at this.
• 52:16
  Baby. But like he yeah, it all turned
• 52:18
  out OK, right. So this is where it kind of all
• 52:20
  shifts is and I get really emotional every time I talk
• 52:23
  about I get emotional. He's born.
• 52:27
  I look at him and I'm like, if it was up to me, you wouldn't be
• 52:33
  here. I think that was my and I have
• 52:36
  number six now too. And if it's up to me, neither of
• 52:38
  them would be here. And that's when I became just
• 52:42
  like fully convicted to being open to life.
• 52:44
  Like I can't imagine a world without them.
• 52:46
  And I mean, you see it like I was so scared and anxious and I
• 52:49
  was doing everything in my power.
• 52:52
  But This is why, This is why the church has this because because
• 52:56
  I just learned from me like God, God knows better than I do, you
• 52:59
  know, he, he knows better than me.
• 53:02
  And if, like I said, if it was up to me, they wouldn't be here.
• 53:04
  And so doing NFPI was charging. I was doing things.
• 53:07
  I, you know, was doing what I could, discerning in the way I
• 53:09
  thought was doing. But I was still blessed with
• 53:12
  this baby. And so that's what fully
• 53:15
  convicted me to being open to life.
• 53:17
  And maybe number six, we did not do NFP at that point.
• 53:21
  I was like, you know, I'm feeling good, like things are
• 53:22
  good. But I will say this, going back
• 53:24
  to the sacredness of sex between 5:00 and 6:00, we said we're
• 53:27
  just going to abstain at this point because the Marquette
• 53:30
  method is like a really, and I'll still use Marquette method.
• 53:32
  I am not trying to bash the Marquette method.
• 53:34
  We were just that 2% that got pregnant with it.
• 53:36
  And thank God, right? You saw the video, you saw like
• 53:38
  he's here and there was a reason for that.
• 53:40
  And that's why we do it, right? So, but I said, you know, after
• 53:44
  five I was like, I also have had, I'm not going to lie, like
• 53:47
  I've had, I have AI have a hernia, you know, I have really
• 53:50
  big babies like, like we mentioned, you know, 10 lbs,
• 53:53
  sometimes 11 LB babies. And so I said I really need to
• 53:56
  heal. I, I can't keep popping them out
• 53:58
  this quick. And so, so we decided it would
• 54:03
  be best to abstain until I got a cycle again.
• 54:06
  Well, that was taking a really long time, but we and I, I think
• 54:11
  by, I think by 6 months postpartum was like, that's it.
• 54:14
  I can't take this anymore. Like, but here's the thing.
• 54:17
  Here's the thing, we abstain. And when I tell people this part
• 54:20
  of the story that we had abstained for like months, like
• 54:23
  6 months, I'll get, I'll get people saying like, well, how
• 54:29
  did you please your husband, right?
• 54:32
  They're like, I feel like there's this, this notion of
• 54:36
  like you need to, you need to serve your husband and.
• 54:39
  Kind of. A man needs sex.
• 54:40
  It's like a primal need. He has to have sex otherwise.
• 54:43
  And like we need to give our men a little bit more credit.
• 54:46
  They're they're you know, but some men will use will be like,
• 54:49
  no, that's the truth. And they they use that to their
• 54:51
  advantage. But I think the sexiest thing
• 54:54
  about a guy is like their self-control.
• 54:56
  And my my husband has amazing self-control.
• 55:01
  It's hard on him too. Don't get me wrong, like we
• 55:03
  both, but it's a very intimate and beautiful thing that you can
• 55:06
  only have with your spouse, right?
• 55:07
  So it wasn't as if it didn't come with its challenges and
• 55:09
  difficulties. But I will say this, it made sex
• 55:12
  sacred again. And it made things steamier on a
• 55:14
  level I never could have imagined.
• 55:16
  And there was this. This is my BTMI, my husband.
• 55:21
  Like there was this one night, the kids were all in bed, which
• 55:26
  was like a miracle in itself, but they're all on their own
• 55:29
  beds. And we were on the couch
• 55:31
  watching TV and he just started kissing me and we started making
• 55:36
  out. And then I was like, stop, I do
• 55:38
  not want to get pregnant. But it was like like high
• 55:40
  schoolers like making out on JT And I was like, stop.
• 55:42
  So we can't, we can't like, but it was like, I know this sounds
• 55:46
  so weird, but it was just like this an intimacy like we hadn't
• 55:50
  had in a long time. And, and it just, I don't know
• 55:54
  it because it's not readily available.
• 55:56
  So there's like this build up and then when you can, it's
• 55:59
  amazing. And you know, and if he comes
• 56:02
  with so many challenges and it's very hard, but it does bring
• 56:05
  that sacredness and specialness back.
• 56:07
  And so when we finally did, it was just this incredible
• 56:10
  experience that I don't think we would have ever experienced if
• 56:13
  we were doing it as routinely as we used to.
• 56:15
  And so it just brought back that specialness to it really.
• 56:18
  But it doesn't come without its challenges.
• 56:20
  I get very frustrated sometimes he gets frustrated too.
• 56:23
  But I think another thing that's really important to note though,
• 56:25
  is that we're both in this journey together.
• 56:27
  So it's not as if I'm a lot of people just assume that I'm the
• 56:29
  one being like, no, nothing for you.
• 56:31
  It's not it at all. Like this is a very much like we
• 56:33
  are on the same page, like this is a discussion we both have.
• 56:36
  And I think it's a beautiful thing that we can grow in this
• 56:38
  and feel this way about one another and about our journey.
• 56:41
  So, so that's, that's kind of my story on how I became open to
• 56:45
  life. And people will again assume
• 56:47
  like, Oh, you're just going to pop out a bunch of kids like,
• 56:50
  and it's like, no, we, we are, we can use discernment and we
• 56:53
  can, you know, and for me, I, I, yes, I've had them close
• 56:57
  together, but I don't think, I mean, I don't know what the Lord
• 57:02
  has planned, but I think if I continue using NFP, educating
• 57:07
  myself, getting a coach, I can, I can space them out the way,
• 57:12
  you know, that, that I hope that God, you know, I'm still
• 57:15
  following his plan, but spacing them out, you know, to, to meet
• 57:18
  my medical needs and my, and my family's needs too, you know,
• 57:22
  like, we have a lot of young kids and I would like a little
• 57:27
  bit of space. But I also think our, now that
• 57:28
  our baby's a year, you know, now it's now it's like, OK, like we
• 57:33
  got to go. It takes us about that year.
• 57:34
  And then we kind of get like a grip on things and yeah.
• 57:38
  What is so powerful is that, and there's so many gems of what
• 57:41
  you're saying, but that the Lord has given us all the tools.
• 57:44
  Yes. Which is crazy.
• 57:46
  There is abstinence, you can't abstain in your marriage.
• 57:48
  And yes, it's like, well, the man, what about the man needing
• 57:51
  sex? And like you said, like that's
• 57:52
  just a cultural narrative that basically says like men are like
• 57:56
  animals and they have to, they have to be able to do this
• 57:58
  sexual thing, otherwise they're going to go crazy.
• 58:00
  And the reality is there's a whole vocations that are
• 58:02
  celibate. Yes.
• 58:04
  And these are virile men. These are like men, men's men.
• 58:06
  They're not just like, oh, you're, you're like, you just
• 58:08
  couldn't get any. You're not interested in sex or
• 58:10
  you didn't. You don't get any interest.
• 58:12
  You have nobody became a priest. It's like some of the most
• 58:15
  masculine men I know are priests.
• 58:16
  I mean, can we all talk about Father Mike Schmitz and how
• 58:19
  handsome he is? Father Mike Chris has not been
• 58:23
  name dropped yet in that way in this show, but I'm glad it's
• 58:25
  happened all right. By the by the way, Father Mike
• 58:28
  Chris did a. Candle to my husband I have to
• 58:30
  say this, but I'm just saying I show him I showed him to a
• 58:33
  girlfriend who's not Catholic and she's like wins mass so but
• 58:38
  he's a great example of that what we look at as a society as
• 58:43
  like manly and. I think I remember he's talking
• 58:46
  to a philosopher, A bioethicist about this and he was saying we
• 58:50
  need food, we need air, air to breathe.
• 58:52
  We don't need sex. Like that is not something that
• 58:56
  it's a gift of your of someone else and yourself coming
• 58:59
  together, becoming 1 flesh and it's designed to bring life into
• 59:03
  the world. Exactly.
• 59:04
  So there's a special path for that.
• 59:05
  So you want to get into the other part then I don't know if
• 59:07
  this is OK or not, but people will say, well, oh, do you just
• 59:10
  do other things for your husband and no.
• 59:14
  And so that's another thing I'll get.
• 59:16
  I get comments on that all the time.
• 59:17
  We'll talk about public. Comments I think we should talk
• 59:20
  about that because I've also heard this is something, again,
• 59:23
  even among people who want to practice faith and want to be
• 59:26
  like live in a sacred way and follow God.
• 59:29
  I've also heard that some families are saying or some, you
• 59:32
  know, women that say, well, we, you know, we don't use
• 59:35
  contraception, but we do a pull, we do the pull out methods or we
• 59:39
  don't use contraception, but we do other things.
• 59:40
  We use condoms so. Yeah, we use condoms, obviously
• 59:43
  condoms or we do other things, things like other forms of
• 59:45
  sexual intimacy that don't involve intercourse.
• 59:48
  And that is, well, I'm curious. You're you're.
• 59:51
  I think you and I have the same thought about this because I
• 59:53
  said it to your producer and she's like, Lila Rose just said
• 59:56
  that on her podcast. But when I researched this,
• 59:58
  right, because I kind of thought that too, I was like, oh, we can
• 1:00:01
  just do other stuff then, right? My husband actually was the one
• 1:00:05
  who brought this up. He was the one who came to me.
• 1:00:07
  He's like, no, we can't. We can't.
• 1:00:09
  Because one what what sexist is unifying.
• 1:00:12
  We're both taking part. We're both experiencing this
• 1:00:14
  together. If you're just doing stuff for
• 1:00:17
  me to I don't even know what to say.
• 1:00:20
  Completion or orgasm, Yeah, that's just me using you to
• 1:00:24
  masturbate essentially, is what he said.
• 1:00:26
  And because there's, you know, and I know people, oh, I'm going
• 1:00:29
  to get so much crap for saying that right now.
• 1:00:32
  But this is just the viewpoint that we, I am not judging anyone
• 1:00:36
  what they do behind. I don't even want to know what
• 1:00:37
  anybody else does behind closed doors.
• 1:00:39
  So this is no judgement to anyone, but this is what we
• 1:00:41
  found for us. And I, I was like, Oh my gosh,
• 1:00:44
  yeah. Like we're, we're in a sense, if
• 1:00:46
  we're not unified in that, it is we, we, you just lose that
• 1:00:52
  unification a little bit. And it's just about, it's more
• 1:00:54
  about meeting the needs of the flesh at that point.
• 1:00:56
  And you don't have that soul, that soul bonding.
• 1:01:00
  I mean, some people might argue that that's not true at all, but
• 1:01:02
  that's how that's that's kind of how.
• 1:01:04
  We see that the underlying for us and the underlying principle
• 1:01:07
  is that sex is designed to be intimate, to bring intimacy and
• 1:01:11
  oneness. But the primary design of sex
• 1:01:13
  actually, like the reason we're bodies are designed sexually,
• 1:01:16
  you know, from a like ontological standpoint is to
• 1:01:19
  bring life into the world. That doesn't mean everybody can.
• 1:01:22
  There's infertility. That doesn't mean that every
• 1:01:23
  time you have sex, you can bring life into the world.
• 1:01:25
  But that's the design. And when you frustrate the
• 1:01:27
  design intentionally, that's where you break the moral law.
• 1:01:30
  Like there is a moral gun. It's not just for this is the
• 1:01:33
  other thing. This is very controversial.
• 1:01:34
  So stay with me, guys. He's listening.
• 1:01:36
  But this isn't just for Catholics, I think.
• 1:01:38
  I mean, before the 1930s, every Christian denomination, the
• 1:01:43
  Lutherans, the Anglicans, all of the Protestants were opposed to
• 1:01:46
  contraception, all contraception.
• 1:01:48
  Martin Luther and John Calvin called it like what you would do
• 1:01:51
  with a prostitute. Like, of course you wouldn't do
• 1:01:53
  contraception with your spouse. Why would anyone do that?
• 1:01:55
  And and then in the Bible and then the church fathers and
• 1:01:57
  doctors speaking out against it and not just contraception, but
• 1:02:00
  about against anything that frustrates a sexual act to
• 1:02:02
  remove the potential for procreation.
• 1:02:05
  And that includes A poet method that includes, you know, math,
• 1:02:07
  you know, masturbation, even if it's mutual masturbation because
• 1:02:10
  they're like, well, what about the wife?
• 1:02:12
  Why just please the man? Well, even if it's but it's
• 1:02:14
  again, the sexual pleasure without the potential to be open
• 1:02:18
  for life. And that's this is baked into
• 1:02:21
  the design for sex. And today this is so
• 1:02:23
  controversial because we're I'm. Going to hear it.
• 1:02:28
  But but we're so we're completely the opposite today,
• 1:02:31
  the opposite today. And this is post sexual
• 1:02:33
  revolution largely, but then also like the advent of the
• 1:02:35
  birth control, the early 20th century is that sex is about
• 1:02:38
  adult pleasure. And then children are optional.
• 1:02:42
  Some people will not even have children.
• 1:02:44
  I was, I was actually on a podcast recently debating or
• 1:02:47
  discussing with a very lovely lady, but she's this, you know,
• 1:02:50
  DINK very publicly avowed. I'm going to do a DINK podcast
• 1:02:53
  that's going to celebrate being child free children.
• 1:02:55
  Child free is just as good as anyone else.
• 1:02:57
  Like, why are you so pro mothers all the time?
• 1:02:59
  Like, of course I support mothers too, but like we should
• 1:03:01
  be celebrating. You know, it's a choice to do
• 1:03:03
  what I want to do. And you know, I just they're
• 1:03:07
  that idea in human history is so unique.
• 1:03:10
  It's it's it's so unique to this.
• 1:03:12
  To this culture, really. So now it's the opposite.
• 1:03:14
  It's like, oh, you want, you want to have a lot of kids or
• 1:03:16
  not even, you want, you're open to a lot of kids.
• 1:03:18
  Like that's so strange. And yeah, well, and people say,
• 1:03:23
  well, they only had lots of kids back in the day because they had
• 1:03:25
  to have people working on the farm and they needed the labor
• 1:03:27
  and stuff. And I don't, I mean, I'm sure
• 1:03:29
  that's true to an extent, but. But I think going back to what
• 1:03:32
  you said earlier, which is so beautiful that you saw the face
• 1:03:34
  of your son and you thought if, if.
• 1:03:37
  It was up to me. It was up to me.
• 1:03:38
  You wouldn't be here. I mean, that gives me chills
• 1:03:42
  because I just think about every child and their value and their
• 1:03:46
  worth. And I think about us, Chrissy,
• 1:03:48
  like we made it into this world because of God.
• 1:03:51
  I mean, yes, our parents and because of God and that's every
• 1:03:56
  child is purposed and designed. So there's no such like when
• 1:03:59
  you're in a marriage, like there's this idea of an
• 1:04:01
  accidental child I. Know.
• 1:04:04
  Maybe it was an accident for. Us you, yeah.
• 1:04:06
  Wasn't your plan my? Own, quite frankly, distorted
• 1:04:08
  thinking, but to God there is no human being.
• 1:04:11
  That's an accident. And if he entrusted a child to
• 1:04:14
  us, he's also going to give us the grace.
• 1:04:16
  Like that's the other thing that people I think often don't
• 1:04:20
  remember or trust enough. And yeah, I will say like I do
• 1:04:24
  have a hard time with, I've been very blessed financially and I,
• 1:04:27
  I come from, I come from privilege.
• 1:04:29
  I come from. So I do very much empathize with
• 1:04:32
  those who are struggling financially.
• 1:04:33
  That's can be very scary. So I, it is something that's
• 1:04:36
  hard for me to speak on. But I will say, I know other big
• 1:04:39
  families and who, who live within a very different means of
• 1:04:43
  life than I do. And I have just seen first hand
• 1:04:46
  how the Lord provides for them, even in our case, right?
• 1:04:48
  I mean, by no means were we going to be like homeless when I
• 1:04:51
  found out I was pregnant, but it was very scary.
• 1:04:53
  And yet things unfolded that provided for us with each kid.
• 1:04:59
  And so, you know, now we're in a financial position where we're
• 1:05:01
  so entirely blessed that I, you know, it's, it's fine, but that
• 1:05:05
  wasn't always our case. And so I do, I do, I truly do
• 1:05:09
  empathize with people, though, who are like, you know,
• 1:05:11
  struggling with finances, like they're trying to be
• 1:05:13
  responsible. Truly, they're trying to be
• 1:05:14
  responsible. They're trying to give their
• 1:05:15
  child the best life. And they're saying, you know, I
• 1:05:18
  just want to be responsible. I don't want to have a lot of, I
• 1:05:21
  would love to have a big family, but I can't afford a big family.
• 1:05:23
  So I, I completely, you know, understand where they are coming
• 1:05:26
  from. But I will say, I mean, you have
• 1:05:28
  the right to discern. And that's another thing.
• 1:05:31
  No one's saying you have to have a bunch of kids, but practicing
• 1:05:34
  natural family planning, you know, you still can discern, you
• 1:05:37
  can still do these things. And and then, you know, if the
• 1:05:40
  Lord you're, you're just allowing God's will to bring
• 1:05:42
  another soul into this to this world.
• 1:05:44
  And if he truly looks at your life and is like, no, like
• 1:05:46
  you've been blessed enough, you've done your part.
• 1:05:48
  Like I see where you are in life.
• 1:05:50
  I just truly believe he'll take care of you.
• 1:05:52
  And I, and again, it's again, we're not saying go, you have to
• 1:05:56
  go have a bunch of kids. It's like, no, we have, we have
• 1:05:59
  NFP where it gives you that ability to discern.
• 1:06:02
  And the Catholic Church teaching.
• 1:06:03
  So I have this app called Truthfully that we use on the
• 1:06:05
  show. Sometimes I want to just read
• 1:06:06
  this for people because I think it's so illuminating to actually
• 1:06:10
  know what the church teaches about NFP.
• 1:06:12
  So I'm going to say what does, and this is a this is a app,
• 1:06:17
  truthfully, that gives you all of the teachings of the Catholic
• 1:06:21
  Church as well as just Bible theology, philosophy about
• 1:06:25
  bioethics and about just life in general, moral issues, theology,
• 1:06:29
  whatever. So what does the Catholic Church
• 1:06:32
  teach about NFP and why? It's a moral method for couples
• 1:06:37
  to regulate births in accordance with God's plan for marriage.
• 1:06:41
  And there's all of these lists for why the church supports NFP.
• 1:06:45
  But NFP respects the natural rhythms and fertility cycles of
• 1:06:48
  a woman's body, promoting openness to life while allowing
• 1:06:50
  couples to discern their family size responsibly.
• 1:06:53
  It supports the NFP because openness to life, The church
• 1:06:56
  upholds that every marital act should remain open to the
• 1:06:58
  possibility of life, talks about respect for the body, marital
• 1:07:02
  bonds, virtue of self-control, conformity with moral law.
• 1:07:04
  Now I want to ask it why this is back to the the question of
• 1:07:09
  mutual masturbation, because I again, good.
• 1:07:11
  They're like, yeah, OK, no contraception.
• 1:07:13
  We're going to do mutual masturbation.
• 1:07:15
  That's going to be, you know, I'm using like technical terms
• 1:07:17
  of cringing. But but that's what we're just
• 1:07:19
  talking, We're talking real here.
• 1:07:21
  So, so why should every marital act?
• 1:07:23
  And by marital act we mean sexual act of intimacy, right?
• 1:07:26
  Why should every? This isn't like a kiss on the
• 1:07:28
  cheek or a long drawn out kiss. Yeah, and this is we're talking
• 1:07:31
  sexual activity that involves pleasure and orgasm.
• 1:07:34
  So why should every marital act be open to life?
• 1:07:39
  And why is mutual? Why would mutual masturbation be
• 1:07:42
  wrong in a marriage? Marital intimacy is intended to
• 1:07:44
  be both unitive and procritive, a deep expression of love
• 1:07:47
  between the spouses and open to life always.
• 1:07:50
  These these two aspects are inseparably linked and together
• 1:07:53
  reflect God's design for marriage.
• 1:07:55
  Regarding mutual masturbation within marriage, the church
• 1:07:57
  teaches that sexual acts must respect both the unitive and the
• 1:08:01
  procurative purposes of sexuality.
• 1:08:03
  Mutual masturbation deliberately separates the unitive, separates
• 1:08:06
  the unitive act from the procurative potential, focusing
• 1:08:09
  slowly on personal gratification rather than the comprehensive
• 1:08:13
  giving and openness to life intended in marital intimacy.
• 1:08:16
  And to get super theological here, it's always, it's always
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  love always has to say yes to the whole of the other person,
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  not part. And that's what the design of
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  sex like. It's complete.
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  I'm giving myself to you and I'm receiving you to me.
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  And I'm not going to separate that out like mutual
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  masturbation. I'm not going to separate that
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  out like the pull out method. I'm not going to separate that
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  out with a barrier of latex like I'm fully yours.
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  You're fully mine. And we put our fertility in the
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  hands of God. Now if we feel there's a serious
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  reason to again delay pregnancy, a space births, whatever it
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  might be, that's what absence is for.
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  We're now we can sit side by side, which is holy, look at
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  each other across the table, which is also holy, and have
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  spiritual intimacy together, emotional intimacy together,
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  intellectual intimacy together. And that physical intimacy have
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  is that really, I would say in some ways the peak, it is the
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  peak intimacy we can experience together physically.
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  But you don't have to always do that.
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  Yes, and I. Have intimacy spiritually.
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  I want to touch on that because that's another thing people
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  like, well, what are you doing? I'm like, we grow intimate and,
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  and such on a deeper level. So when you have to remove that
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  physical aspect, you can grow so much closer in a way that you
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  probably wouldn't have if that was there.
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  And so it's been truly a gift. Honestly, we, I always say, oh,
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  we're channeling our inner Joseph and Mary.
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  And, but you grow more intimate And, and if, again, if sex is
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  just readily available, it's just been when we have to
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  practice periods of abstinence, we grow intimate on a spiritual
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  level, truly. I mean, we, we have intimate
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  conversations and we, we grow more intimate together.
• 1:09:57
  And I think, and I think that's what, and then that transcends
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  into your sex life truly. I mean, if you are intimately
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  connected with someone on an emotional level, on a spiritual
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  level, that's going to transcend physically.
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  Another thing we talk about too is God forbid something happened
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  to one of us where that act would have to be removed
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  completely. God forbid we got in a car
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  accident and someone got paralyzed.
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  So at that point, do you just go, well, I got to get my needs
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  met somewhere? For a very long time.
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  Yeah. And I'm like, is that what you
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  would think? Because God forbid something
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  happened to my husband and he, he couldn't do that for whatever
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  reason. Illness, something physical, you
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  know, I'd be praising God that he was just alive, right?
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  And I would never, ever think, well, what am I going to do for
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  my fleshly needs? That when you know, and and
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  people might think that I've known I've in my past, a bunch
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  of people I've across will say, oh, no, someone was dying of
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  cancer and they just got like a boyfriend on the side or
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  something. It was just like or so.
• 1:10:55
  And I'm like, is that, yeah, I don't think that's normal.
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  They're like, well, they have needs and it's like, this is,
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  this is what's we've really liked to hear.
• 1:11:06
  I mean, that's just about your own pleasure at that point.
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  And I, I guess people would argue that that's not a bad
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  thing, but I mean, gosh, if something happened to one of us,
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  I'd, I'd like to think that we'd be by each other's side no
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  matter what. It, that's why it's so important
• 1:11:19
  for your marriage to be rooted in something so much more than
• 1:11:21
  just a physical nature, because in sickness and in health, and
• 1:11:26
  if it's rooted in that, then what, what happens when that has
• 1:11:28
  to be taken away for whatever reason?
• 1:11:30
  I can't. Well, the biggest question I get
• 1:11:33
  asked is what do you do during the six weeks you can't have sex
• 1:11:36
  when you're postpartum? And sometimes my husband will
• 1:11:40
  do. Ask me any things and we'll put
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  up on my YouTube channel. And this question frustrates him
• 1:11:46
  because he's just like, what is wrong with you guys?
• 1:11:49
  In your worldview, yeah, I have to be doing sexual things during
• 1:11:52
  the six week period, six week period of my wife's postpartum.
• 1:11:55
  When she's we just talked about how difficult postpartum is,
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  right? Like I mean these.
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  You're you're bleeding on having sexual pleasure.
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  She's recovering. I've had women being like, oh,
• 1:12:04
  well, I still had to do stuff for him.
• 1:12:06
  I'm like, when you're like, in a diaper and you're handling a
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  newborn and like, are you serious right now?
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  Like, you felt pressured to do that.
• 1:12:12
  And you know, I'm not trying to comment on anyone's marriages or
• 1:12:16
  anything like that, but that was a little heartbreaking to me.
• 1:12:19
  I'm not going to lie like that. And and and I'm not even, it's
• 1:12:23
  not even a dig at like that person.
• 1:12:25
  I think it's just something we're kind of sold as a culture
• 1:12:27
  really. And so my husband answers this
• 1:12:30
  and he's like, they go, what do you do in that six week period
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  when you can't have sex or whatever?
• 1:12:35
  He goes grow up and be a man and practice some self-control.
• 1:12:39
  My gosh. But he's pretty to the point.
• 1:12:43
  And he's like, take care of your wife, like, make sure she's OK.
• 1:12:45
  I mean, you guys have some bigger fish to fry right now.
• 1:12:47
  And yeah, I was like, I hear some of these stories from him.
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  And I'm just like, you've given soul in pregnancy and
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  childbirth. You give everything.
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  You give your body, you give your, your, you know, your
• 1:13:00
  mental capacity, your emotions. And now on top of that, it's
• 1:13:04
  like your husband's like, now give me more.
• 1:13:06
  Even though you've given everything, you've given
• 1:13:08
  everything to create a family you both wanted.
• 1:13:11
  This is something you both wanted.
• 1:13:12
  This is your child, both of your child.
• 1:13:14
  And the woman is the only one who has to sacrifice her body.
• 1:13:17
  Truly. You know, she's sacrificing her
• 1:13:18
  body and that's not enough. You're telling me that's not
• 1:13:21
  enough right now. And you, you, she's got to meet
• 1:13:23
  the needs of everyone else. And you right here.
• 1:13:25
  Like, at what point can you put your needs aside as a husband?
• 1:13:28
  Your fleshly needs, really. I mean, these aren't even like
• 1:13:30
  base. These aren't even like needs
• 1:13:32
  needs, right? And say, OK, I got to make sure
• 1:13:34
  my wife is taken care of. She look what she did for our
• 1:13:37
  family. Look what she she went through
• 1:13:38
  to bring this family that we both wanted.
• 1:13:41
  Like you've sacrificed so much of your body.
• 1:13:44
  Maybe him not needing something right then there could be his
• 1:13:47
  sacrifice. That is such a good point,
• 1:13:49
  Chrissy. It's like sacrifice is built
• 1:13:52
  into love and Jesus on the cross is that ultimate example of love
• 1:13:56
  giving his body for us. And in a family, in a marriage,
• 1:14:01
  we like you say we sacrifice our bodies in in childbirth, in
• 1:14:06
  labor and delivery, in pregnancy, in postpartum, not in
• 1:14:10
  some, you know, evil, horrible, dark way.
• 1:14:12
  It's actually, it's just a beautiful thing, beautiful.
• 1:14:14
  But what is a man sacrifice? And yes, of course, provision
• 1:14:18
  needs to protect the family, but this I this idea of
• 1:14:21
  self-discipline and sacrificing one's immediate gratification
• 1:14:26
  for the bigger plan for love of the family.
• 1:14:28
  I mean, that's what it's all about.
• 1:14:30
  That's what teaches us and prepares us for being able to go
• 1:14:33
  to heaven and be with God in His perfection and His perfect, all
• 1:14:37
  consuming love and you. Want to talk?
• 1:14:39
  Journey we're on. You want to talk about
• 1:14:40
  protection, Protect your wife during this period.
• 1:14:43
  She's very vulnerable in so many ways right now.
• 1:14:45
  So protect her. Don't, don't ask for more, more
• 1:14:47
  from her. And that's another big thing
• 1:14:49
  people will ask us about. Like how do we, how do we make
• 1:14:51
  time for a marriage? How do we do things?
• 1:14:53
  How do we split things up? And a big thing I emphasize is
• 1:14:55
  it's never 5050247. It's sometimes he's given 100%
• 1:15:00
  and I can only give so much. Like, especially if I just given
• 1:15:03
  birthright, like I need to be in.
• 1:15:05
  Sometimes my births have been really hard and I had to be in
• 1:15:07
  bed and just be with the newborn.
• 1:15:09
  And he'll, he'll wrangle all five other kids, you know, and,
• 1:15:12
  and he'll do everything like he's taking care of the whole
• 1:15:15
  house. He's not expecting me to, you
• 1:15:17
  know, if I'm feeling good, I can do it, but he's not expecting
• 1:15:19
  anything from me. So there's times, especially
• 1:15:21
  postpartum is when I really lean on him and he's, it is like 100
• 1:15:25
  zero. Sometimes I won't say 0 because
• 1:15:26
  I'm still taking care of the newborn and breastfeeding and
• 1:15:28
  stuff. But there's times where if my
• 1:15:29
  husband's having like a really busy time with work, like, you
• 1:15:31
  know, I'll take on more if I can, you know, And so it's just,
• 1:15:34
  it's a partnership. I love that.
• 1:15:37
  OK, I've got to ask you for people listening who want to
• 1:15:39
  explore NFP more. What's your you mentioned
• 1:15:41
  Marquette is your favorite method.
• 1:15:42
  What's your favorite resource for learning more about
• 1:15:44
  Marquette? I I I forgot the name of them to
• 1:15:47
  be honest so I was using. Website to have a website.
• 1:15:51
  If you search like Marquette Method coaches, there's going to
• 1:15:55
  be some in your area, there'll be virtual ones.
• 1:15:56
  I mean, there's this abundance of research.
• 1:15:59
  And if you are Catholic, you can totally hit up your local
• 1:16:01
  Catholic Church and they'll have resources.
• 1:16:03
  And if you aren't Catholic, you can still hit up your local.
• 1:16:05
  Catholic Church, Catholic Church, we love to see you.
• 1:16:10
  Christy, you're the best. How can people find your blog
• 1:16:13
  and all of your. Well, I, you can, you could
• 1:16:16
  search in Chrissy Horton and I usually will come up or my
• 1:16:19
  handle is Horton Lane on TikTok and Instagram and then on
• 1:16:23
  YouTube. I think I'm just Chrissy Horton.
• 1:16:25
  But I think if you search Chrissy Horton, CHRSSY Horton on
• 1:16:30
  any of the platforms. Should appear.
• 1:16:32
  Thanks for being so real and it's so hilarious and so fun and
• 1:16:36
  just just being a light in the world.
• 1:16:39
  You're very encouraging, I think to me to other moms and again,
• 1:16:43
  like you're going this not from any kind of judgement or telling
• 1:16:46
  people like you have to do this. It's more this is a beautiful.
• 1:16:50
  These are the truths, the truths that you have discovered and you
• 1:16:54
  want to show them. That's it.
• 1:16:55
  I just want to share my story and if it inspires you, that's
• 1:16:57
  wonderful. But by no means am I the
• 1:17:00
  authority in your life. Thanks.
• 1:17:02
  Christy, oh, thank you so much for having me.
• 1:17:04
  It's been, it's been such an honor.
• 1:17:05
  Thank you. Thanks so much for listening to
• 1:17:07
  this episode of the Lila Rose Show with Christy Horton.
• 1:17:10
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