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E216: Pentagon Releases UFO Evidence—Could Aliens Have Souls? w/Fr Spitzer | Lila Rose Show · The Lila Rose Show

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The Pentagon just declassified 3 UFO videos taken by Navy pilots.
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Father Spitzer, do you think that the declassified sightings
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indicate intelligent life forms outside of our Galaxy that are
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visiting us? If they really are what we think
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we're seeing. If aliens exist, would they be
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made in the image of God? If they had interstellar travel
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technology, they could destroy us in a in a nanosecond.
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And they could of course do mental manipulation too.
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I mean. Could we be enslaved right now
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and we don't know it? Let's gain this out a little
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bit. So based on what you're saying,
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let's just theorize here. Is there scientific proof for
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aliens? If aliens are real, what does
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that mean for how we should interact with them?
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Are they among us? How do we know if they are?
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Do they have souls? If you're a Christian, should
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you try to convert an alien? And how would you even do that?
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We explore these questions and so many more with the brilliant
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Father Robert Spitzer on today's episode of the Lila Rose Show.
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Father Robert Spitzer is a philosopher and a physicist.
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He's the author of multiple books and the head of the Magic
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Center for Faith and Reason. He's also the former president
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of Gonzaga University. We also look at some of the
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footage that has been released from Navy pilots who are
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tracking unidentified foreign objects that cannot be explained
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by any natural cause. And we get Father Spitzer's
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analysis of whether these are actual alien craft or lasers.
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We have a bet going actually, throughout this episode, and
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you'll see where we land by the end of it.
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I hope you enjoy. Thanks so much for coming back,
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Father Spitzer. What do you mean no?
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This is great. It's always so good to see you.
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Thank you for being here. We were talking last time about
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consciousness, which was fascinating.
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We are talking today about UFOs, unidentified foreign objects,
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and there was this congressional hearing a few months ago about
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UFOs and experts testifying about seeing UFOs before the US
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Congress. We're going to take a listen and
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then hear your take on all these things because it's very
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fascinating. I also need to let people know
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Father Spitzer has actually given talks across the country
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on Catholicism, of course, but also UFO's and Catholicism,
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UFO's and the Christian faith. So how should Christians think
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about aliens? So we're going to get into that
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in today's episode. What got you interested Father
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Spitzer in UFO's? Well, you know, obviously, you
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know, when you're doing apologetics as I do in, in, in
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some fashion or another, you know, you, you read these, you
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know, sometimes these cases, well, you know, in this Bible,
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this, this explanation happened because of UFOs or this miracle
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happened by aliens or this thing happened, you know, and, and
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after a while you go, oh, you know, you know, this is just
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overwhelming. There's not a single bit of hard
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evidence. Now there is visual evidence,
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but you know what I mean, if I could just see some kind of an
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alloy that was unproducible, you know, on the earth, but somehow,
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you know, would show, you know, an alien intelligence.
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It would have to have, you know, a super AI to to discover this
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ally alloy and and build it. Or if I could just find some
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technology that could show me, you know, a way of avoiding, you
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know, the, the obvious catastrophes that would come
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from trying to, you know, drive it, you know, interstellar
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spaces and intergalactic spaces. You know, if I could just
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anything, you know, I, I'd be a believer, but I just never could
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find it. But of course, there is a lot of
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visual evidence. And that evidence is brought
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about by people who do claim, you know, that UFOs are doing
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things. But the problem is, a lot of the
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things the UFOs are doing may well be within the capacity of
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human technologies that we do not know of yet, and even
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experimental. Interesting.
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So I mean, I, I have to say, you know, for example, some of the
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movements, you know, that you see that that sometimes look
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like that's unduplicatable. Yes, it's an unduplicatable by a
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jet aircraft, for example. It couldn't do that because a
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jet aircraft has momentums. It doesn't have the ability to
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isolate into, you know, but if you could, you know, find a, a
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way of utilizing some forces, you know, including a
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gravitational force, you know, and, you know, finding ways of
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actually manipulating that, you might be able to pull off some
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of these unusual things, but there could be visitations and
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so. Let's take a look at what these
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you mentioned there been some visible signs of UFOs we haven't
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found sort of like materials that indicate otherworldly
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essentials of some kind. But this is actual experts
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testifying at a congressional hearing just a few months ago on
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UFOs. So let's take a listen and then
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I'm excited to hear your take on this.
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Again, we were, we have this very cool PowerPoint from Father
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Spitzer from these talks that he's given on UFOs and what that
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means for the soul, for Christianity, for people of good
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conscience. So a lot to unpack here, but
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let's start with this hearing from experts at at Congress.
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Here we go. It's a question a lot of folks
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have been asking for decades. Is there intelligent alien life?
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And if so, has the government been covering it up?
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Well, that was actually the hearing, a focus of a hearing
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yesterday by a House Oversight committee.
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AB CS Capitol Hill correspondent Ryan Nobles joins us from
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Washington with the latest on this ongoing debate.
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And there was some surprises in that hearing yesterday.
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Ryan Yeah, that's right. Craig Yesterday's hearing, ex
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government and military officials suggested it that may
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be the case that there are intelligent beings that live off
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off of the planet. Witnesses.
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Witness testimony included a range of stories related to UFOs
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and Uaps, which stands for unidentified anomalous
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phenomenon. One former Navy Admiral said
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that he had confirmation of them in 2015 when he remembers
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getting an e-mail from US Fleet Force Command.
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The video showed a flying object by a Navy aircraft doing
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exercises, noting that there were several mid near mid air
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collisions. The next day, he said the e-mail
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mysteriously disappeared from his and others accounts.
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No explanation was ever provided by from from another Defense
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Department official, and they claimed that the US and its
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adversaries were hiding away UAP Technologies.
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Take a listen to what he had to say.
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Let me be clear, UAP are real. Advanced technologies not made
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by our government or any other government are monitoring
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sensitive military installations around the globe.
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I believe we are in the midst of a multi decade secretive arms
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race, one funded by misallocated taxpayer dollars and hidden from
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our elected representatives and oversight.
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Bodies for many years. Now, this witness urged the new
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Trump administration to have more transparency, saying that
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he believes that Americans can handle the truth.
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We've reached out to the Pentagon for comment, but we've
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not heard back. Craig.
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So many questions. All right.
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Do you think, Father Spitzer, do you think we are in an
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unidentified secret, unidentified objects, secret
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arms race, potentially with other countries or aliens?
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Well, we're not in an arms race with the aliens.
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Believe me. If they have the capacity for
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interstellar travel, they are so far ahead of us.
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I mean, literally we're talking about a million years or more
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ahead of us in technology that, you know, interstellar travel
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right now just to get to our nearest star, Proxima Centauri
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or Alpha Centauri, one of those two stars right now it, you
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know, it would take us like it's, let's say it's about 20, 7
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trillion miles to that star. So that's a trillion is a
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million million. So if it's traveling in
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1,000,000 miles an hour, you know, it would take us, you
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know, several years to get there.
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So I mean, if you wanted to, you know, travel a little less than
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1,000,000 miles an hour, which of course, I, I think we, we
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probably would be more, less of a stretch, you know, that's
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going to take decades or or more to get here.
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But nevertheless, think about that.
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Travelling at 1,000,000 mph. This is like, you know,
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exponentially higher rates of technology.
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If they came here, they'd have a technology.
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Honestly, they could destroy us. They could destroy.
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Us so yeah if they had interstellar travel technology
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they could destroy us in a in a nanosecond they they they would
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be so far advanced that they they would know literally not
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just how to manipulate gravity they would even have the
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capacity to go through maybe a black hole or do something of
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that nature that would put them at the capacity of actually they
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could destroy our solar system and the whole thing you know in
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a rather short period of time so that's the power of the
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technology they would have and no arms race we'll ever catch up
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with that I mean they'd be a million years out of it so.
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Just to just to kind of put a finer point on that, what you're
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saying, which is very fascinating is, you know, you're
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basically saying it sounds like if there are aliens, if these
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unidentified objects or phenomenon that is being
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perceived by even Navy Seal's, you know, it's maybe hidden, you
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know, government communications about this.
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If that's true, and if it is aliens and they somehow are from
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some other planet in another Galaxy or star or something,
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then they would have to be not hostile to us because you're
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saying they would have already blown us into smithereens if
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they wanted to destroy us. You know, they just take a
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series of force fields and literally enslave, manipulate
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us. And they could of course do
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mental manipulation too. I mean.
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Could we be enslaved right now and we don't know it?
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No, because, you know, it's pretty hard to have the illusion
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of freedom, you know, even in the sort called matrix scenario.
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Because as a matter of fact, we do have choices.
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And right this very minute, I'm choosing to be here and I don't
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have to be here and I don't, you know, there's nothing that.
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Sort of unless the aliens work for me and they've manipulated
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and to do your coming here father.
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So you have this presentation and so it starts with our alien
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life forms possible or even probable.
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And so we just heard some congressional testimony from
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someone saying, you know, basically this has been, you
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know, there have been federal, you know, officials who have
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seen, you know, military members who have seen this really
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inexplicable phenomenon or they've seen these unidentified
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objects and they've not been able to be cataloged as anything
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that they can explain. So they're in the UFO category.
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Do you think that those are some there there is some maybe
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spiritual explanation for them like they are seeing some sort
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of an Angel or you know, a demon even or could it be?
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Well, if they're angelic, they certainly don't need to be in a
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spacecraft. So I mean, the idea of, you
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know, an angelic being coming into spacecraft is kind of
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ludicrous. Why would they slow themselves
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down when they already have telepathy capable of surpassing
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anything that, you know, one of our or one of an advanced
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civilization spacecraft could do?
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So the first thing is, is I, I would say a purely spiritual
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nature, no way would they need a spacecraft.
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Why slow yourself down? You know, so that that's the
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first thing. The second thing is, and do I
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think it, it could be an event, so it could be.
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But let's face facts, they would have to have 5 elements of human
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intelligence that go beyond physical processes and
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structures. So #1 they'd have to be
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self-conscious. In other words, aware of their
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awareness and if they, you know, had the capacity to get
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themselves getting themselves all at the same time with the
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same faculty, then they already, you know, have, you know,
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something that's totally beyond physical processes and
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structures, right? So they would, if they're like
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us in self consciousness, they've already got self
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self-conscious. They have a soul.
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You just cannot explain this with a physical organic system.
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Physical organic system is limited by the speed of light
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and a variety of other things that you cannot be with
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self-conscious. The second thing is the whole
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problem of abstract consciousness, the capacity to
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abstract groups, you know, or relationships or relationships
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among relationships, etcetera of these kinds of things like AI
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will never be able to duplicate this right a a physical process
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and structure will not be able to do it.
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AI will never know what a group is really like and be able to,
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you know, manipulate it in our way of doing mathematics or what
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we call trans algorithmic mathematics.
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As you know, Kurt Curdell that the the the big German
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mathematician would have already predicted.
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I mean ghetto has this incompleteness theorem that
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pretty much shows that AI will never be able to replicate what
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we do. Quantum computing is not the
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answer because at the end of the day, quantum computing will not
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get you to the point of being able to abstract something that
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can only be held in a spiritual entity, a group, a relationship,
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etc. Is not linked to a specific
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individual physical thing. And just to be clear, you're
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saying that these are aspects of what it would take for these to
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be actually intelligent creatures?
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They'd have to have a soul is what I'm saying.
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They'd have to have a soul because they'd be
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self-conscious. They'd have to have a soul
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because they'd have to be able to do mathematics like we do
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mathematics, not like AI judgment.
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So if that like spaceship type object you're saying yeah was
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real, let's say, not some visual illusion or some sort of human
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made technology that we don't know about, whatever, then it
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would have had to have been created by an intelligent being
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that has a soul, which would be an alien.
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Yeah, that's right. And I I would say too that that
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alien being has a conscience too.
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Because honestly, why wouldn't you enslave us?
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Why wouldn't you just take advantage of us?
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Why wouldn't you? Just for a pure amusement, you
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know, just kill us all, you know, because there's something
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in you that's saying it's wrong. There's something there where
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they are so unbelievably self restrained, their power
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advantage over us would be like I said, a million years worth.
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So, you know, when you're dealing with that, you'd have to
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say, well, they're not only restrained, but they're morally
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restrained. They're not just saving us for a
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better dinner later, You know, they're basically restrained
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because they're beneficent, you know, and, and so that that that
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occurs to me. And and finally, you know, I, I,
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I'm sure you know that, that they would also have to have our
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transcendental desires, perfect truth, love, goodness, beauty
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and home. So I think what you would
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probably find is that they would have, you know, they would
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desire, like we desire to have the complete set of correct
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answers to complete set of questions.
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Only with a genuinely curious being capable of abstractions
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and self consciousness can you actually have that pure
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unrestricted desire to know that we have, but that's precisely
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what's needed for what's called creativity.
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And we are creative. And they'd have to be
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exceedingly creative to do, you know, what is being claimed is
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being done. And then on top of all of that,
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you know, I, I think they would also have the unrestricted, the,
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the, the pure, unrestricted desire for what I call
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charitable love and the pure unrestricted desire for, you
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know, goodness and, and fairness and at the end for beauty too.
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So all of these things that they, they would, they would be
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like us. And I think, you know, that you
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look at the supposed symmetrical designs, you know, the
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spacecraft and so forth. I mean it, you know, it's truly
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remarkably beautiful, remarkably symmetrical, remarkably, you
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know, good in the sense of, you know, capable of doing something
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that that could be used for evil or for good.
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And, and it's being used for good apparently because of the
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restraint shown. So I, I think, yeah, they'd be
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like us. I don't think, I think they
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absolutely have to have a soul. Absolutely.
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So let's look at this is a Pentagon, the Pentagon's three
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declassified USOUFO videos taken by U.S.
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Navy pilot. So let's take a look at this and
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then I want to ask your thoughts on what these videos in your
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view prove, if anything, about the existence of aliens.
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So let's take a look at look at this says the Pentagon just
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declassified 3 UFO videos taken by Navy pilots.
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There's a whole fleet of them. Look on the ASA.
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Oh. My.
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Gosh. They're all going.
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Against the wind, The wind's 120 out the West.
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OK all thing dude. Says the footage shows
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unidentified objects flying at high speeds through the Earth's
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atmosphere. The mysterious flying objects
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remain unidentified to this day. The declassification is meant to
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clear up any misconceptions by the public.
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One video was taken in 2004 and the other two in 2015.
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The videos were taken during training flights and leaked to
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the New York Times in 2017. the US Navy formalized a reporting
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process in 2019 for pilots to report incidents at of UFO
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sightings. This is taken from CNCS report.
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Father Spitzer, do you think that the, and I know you're
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familiar with this, do you think that the declassified sightings
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by these Navy pilots indicate intelligent life forms outside
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of our Galaxy that are visiting us?
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If they really are what we think we're seeing and they are not
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some form of a projected image or something of that nature, you
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know, in other words, you, you could do something rather, you
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know, interesting in in producing some kinds of
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three-dimensional imaging with light that could, you know, look
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like that, but not have the mechanical apparatus.
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So as long as we could disprove that they are not, you know, a
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light projection of some kind, you know, that it wouldn't be
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produced by, you know, a highly, you know, a fairly sophisticated
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technology, it would have to be that.
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But we certainly have the capacity to produce 3
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dimensional light images into the sky doing all kinds of
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things. If we can rule that out, then
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that's probably an unidentified flying object that was probably
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built or crafted by an intelligence that was a much
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greater than our own. And, and I again would hasten to
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add that it's a beneficent intelligence because it it would
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But can we rule out that it is these?
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I mean, what's your view on this?
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Can we rule out that it's not some sort of, you know,
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intricate, sophisticated light play that human beings are, for
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whatever reason, doing? And the Navy pilots saw it,
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whether accidentally or otherwise.
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It could be some you can do with lasers today.
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You can project some mighty sophisticated imaging right into
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the sky. And the fact that this is going
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on in broad daylight would mean that this would be have to be a
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high capacity laser capacity laser techniques.
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And so I, I would say that, you know, there's just much odds of
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it being, as I'd say right now, I think we just need to rule
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that out because there is a chance it could be that, but
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there might be a greater chance that it could be a, a
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technology. I mean, we couldn't in those
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films which you see images and you can see very powerful
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images, you know, in laser like technology that are projections
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and you know, and so I just don't want to say it's not them
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until I can find just one little piece of evidence that there is
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a material substance involved here.
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It doesn't have to be a fancy alloy.
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It it could be something else, but you know that, you know,
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it's constructed and using, you know, some, you know, alloy that
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we don't know of, but might be within our grass.
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But the main thing I would say is I just like to rule out any
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kind of, you know, light projecting, laser projecting
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technology. And you could have some really
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high performance lasers. It could do some really fancy
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imaging. And I just don't want to get
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bamboozled, you know, because, you know, visual images, you
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know, they can be deceiving. And we do have those
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technologies, right? Now, so if it's not, let's just
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say let's rule it out. Let's say it's not the lasers,
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right? And let's say that it is.
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Could it then also be the sort of, you know, this other idea of
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there's some arms race, secret arms race, not with the aliens,
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secret arms race with say, China, that's not about lasers.
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There's maybe maybe it involves lasers, but there's some other
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technology. And we're kind of running these
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experiments. There's a secret US program and
24:13
a secret Chinese program. And so that the these Navy
24:16
pilots are kind of running into these, you know, demonstrations
24:21
basically. Well, again, you know, that's
24:22
the second thing that needs to be ruled out.
24:25
That was probably less likely because some of the things you
24:30
know, of where the, the spacecraft so-called is, you
24:34
know, going, you know, and it's, it's making these really super
24:38
fast movements and shifting momentum that seems to be way
24:44
beyond our kind of technology. Maybe we have advanced to, you
24:48
know, that much and maybe there are some that can do a reversal
24:52
of momentum on the spot without any kind of residual inertial
24:56
motion. If that really did happen, well,
25:00
you know, well, I'd be fooled, but I, I don't think that one's
25:03
as, as likely. But it's possible that we could
25:07
have come this far technologically.
25:10
But it seems right now, given the way we have been
25:14
manipulating, you know, our physical laws to or not
25:19
manipulating, but using our physical laws and very creative
25:22
ways to create a very quick starting moment.
25:26
I don't think this technology is within our capacity right now
25:30
and I've seen no indication of it like in research magazines.
25:34
So is your money on the aliens, Father Spitzer, that these these
25:39
videos we just watched? This is not lasers.
25:41
This is not a secret arms race between humans.
25:43
This is aliens. I think it's really about you.
25:47
Were a betting man. Oh boy, I'm really 5050 on the
25:52
lasers versus the aliens, but I guess I might give the aliens a
25:57
a slight edge. 100 bucks on the alien.
26:02
Maybe $0.50 Fifty. Cents.
26:04
OK, well, we'll go with $0.50. So if they are So from a
26:08
Christian viewpoint, there's no issue with the idea.
26:12
Theologically speaking, it doesn't contradictory Scripture,
26:15
it doesn't contradict Christian natural law.
26:18
This idea that there could be other intelligent life forms
26:21
besides human persons. Oh no.
26:23
And besides angels? No, as a matter of fact, if God
26:26
gave them a soul, and I mean as I said, if they think like us,
26:30
if they have self consciousness like us, if they have
26:33
transcendental ideas like us, if they have a conscience like us,
26:37
which all leads to if they have free will like us, then to be
26:41
honest with you, they have a soul.
26:44
You cannot explain those, those five operations with physical
26:48
processes and structures alone. So because of that, I would say,
26:53
oh, you know, they have a soul. And so we just have to
26:57
acknowledge that, right? It's we're not talking about how
27:00
many exoplanets are there out there so that you can have a
27:03
bacterial life form or a complex vegetative life form in the
27:07
universe. I mean, that's certainly
27:09
possible. So are aliens made in the image
27:12
of God then? If aliens exist, would they be
27:14
made in the image of God? They would have a soul just like
27:16
us. They would be made in the image
27:17
and likeness of God. So who's more in the image of
27:20
God, humans or aliens? Well, I mean, we'd both equally
27:24
be there. The difference would not be in
27:27
terms of, you know, do we have greater or lesser power?
27:32
We have it's, it's a matter of I think a million years of
27:36
evolution and a million years of knowledge accumulation
27:41
differential. So I mean, our, our Galaxy, you
27:45
know, is a pretty old Galaxy by any standard.
27:50
So, you know, it's about 13.57 billion years old.
27:55
Our universe is only 13.8 billion years old.
27:58
So, you know, but hey, you're right in there, you know, you've
28:03
got 10s of millions of years to play with, but.
28:06
Do you so are you of the view, because I know we haven't had
28:09
this debate on the show, evolution versus creationism or,
28:12
you know, of evolutionary creationism, like God uses
28:15
evolution to create. And certainly there's elements
28:18
of evolution that are obvious, right?
28:19
The micro evolution, I think they call it.
28:21
And then there's macro evolution if I'm using the correct terms
28:23
here. I am curious though.
28:26
So you're saying, it sounds like, it sounds like you're
28:28
saying given enough physical time, yeah, there is this sort
28:34
of intelligence development that happens in creation naturally by
28:39
God's design. And you and you would argue that
28:42
over maybe a million years, if, if time went on for a million
28:44
years on planet Earth, would the human person, how do you think
28:49
that the human person would develop more than we already
28:52
have? Yeah, I would say that, you
28:54
know, there would be techniques for probably allowing us to
28:56
morph our forms. I think that's coming, but you
29:00
cannot, for example, do the to turn, you know, a human being
29:05
into energy trick the transporter and Star Trek,
29:08
right? I mean, if you did that honestly
29:10
you you would create the equivalent of of enough atomic
29:15
power to to fuel a city for a year.
29:19
But sorry to interrupt but just so I'm tracking here, are you
29:21
saying it's less It's less that the human brain develops
29:24
superpowers and it's more that we develop technology because
29:28
the cumulative knowledge of humans over a period of time
29:30
develops a technology that then gives U.S. special powers?
29:34
Yeah, our brain is is pretty much our brain.
29:37
Obviously neural links and things like that will enhance
29:40
our brain, but the, the, the five functions which our souls
29:44
perform, that's not going to be enhanced by neural link.
29:47
It's not going to be enhanced by, you know, having even a
29:53
million more years of development.
29:55
Yes, of course our memory capacity can be super amplified,
29:59
right? And you could do the neural
30:02
links plus, you know, all kinds of, you know, advantaging
30:06
children through terrible, you know, the gene manipulation to
30:10
make sure that the the best, you know, kids with the best memory,
30:14
you know, come out and they get the best neural links and so
30:17
forth and so on. And all these things that are
30:19
put together so that you kind of have a super basis of material
30:26
basis for memory. That's true.
30:29
But will you get a true genius from all that technology?
30:33
No, you will not. Yep.
30:35
The genius is a property of the soul and you know, all of the,
30:40
you know, those elements of genius.
30:42
So I mean, you know, I'm sorry to say it's not Einsteins brain.
30:45
You know, you can look at Einsteins brain, you can examine
30:47
Einsteins brain and all I can tell you is it's not going to be
30:51
a brain that that is, you know, through transfers, cuts, all
30:54
kinds of things that you can look at it, you can say, well,
30:56
is this brain special brain that that look like it's a really
31:00
special brain. Oh, well, maybe it's protein
31:01
cell synthesis. No, no, it's not really any
31:04
quicker protein. Well, well, maybe there's all
31:06
kinds of refinement of tissue. Well, it's tissue, not that much
31:09
more refined. What is it?
31:11
I mean, there's something in the soul of that person in my mind
31:15
that's, you know, what I would call a super creative and and
31:19
you know, it's not just IQ, that immeasurable IQ, it's the
31:24
creative imagination, which and I think all trans algorithmic
31:29
mathematics has to be done by a soul.
31:32
I think, by the way, I would get confirmation from Kurt Kettle
31:35
himself. You know, that has, you know,
31:37
that this has to be the case because, you know, he certainly
31:42
believed that this could not be carried out by physical
31:44
processes. He actually believed in an
31:47
immortal soul because of this very factor, the way we do math,
31:51
the way we do language. And by the way, I would hasten
31:54
to add the way we do music and, and you've just got these people
31:59
who are super creatives and you go, was your brain different?
32:03
Not really. Well.
32:05
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33:12
Who's this great. You may have heard of him, but
33:14
he's kind of this, we could call him a personal development
33:16
expert, but he really writes these spiritual works.
33:18
And he was, I was reading something he wrote on
33:20
magnanimity and the openness of the soul to the inspirations of
33:24
God, really. And he had this comment about
33:27
the importance of not comparing oneself to other people because
33:31
that can stunt creativity. And if you try to kind of sort
33:35
of mimic the even intellectual activities of others, you are,
33:42
you know, limiting what you might naturally be able to
33:44
contribute if you allowed your soul to just reach its own
33:47
heights and not think about other souls and the heights that
33:49
they're trying to reach. All of us have our set of gifts
33:54
and you certainly do. And you know, and I have a set
33:59
of gifts and, and if we just allow our particular gifts to
34:03
soar, you know, other people are going to have other gifts, but
34:06
they, they weren't, they won't have your gifts and they, and
34:09
they won't have unnecessarily my gifts.
34:11
And, and so comparisons are always very bad news.
34:16
And I think they're bad news also because they, they get us
34:19
into a whole way of looking at our lives that success depends
34:23
upon the accumulation of some kinds of accumulatable things.
34:28
And so I, I, I think that that is, you know, nonsense.
34:33
But I do think, yes, you're going to reach a limit because
34:38
like I said, AI, you say, oh, AI is going to take over the whole
34:40
world. No, AI can take over certain
34:43
kinds of functions. It can do certain kinds of
34:45
things. And it really is amazing.
34:48
AI is not creative it can be given programs to run and assess
34:54
huge databases very quickly. So I could give a set of
34:58
instructions to AI to make me a whole 1000 new alloys that are
35:04
possible allies alloys. It would take me forever to do
35:08
that by you know, you know, calculation and so forth and so
35:11
on. AI does it in a few seconds.
35:13
You go, oh man, that's, that's fantastic, you know?
35:17
But at the end of the day, it really doesn't amount to a hill
35:22
of beans in terms of creativity itself.
35:25
And by the way, AI will never have empathy either, and it will
35:29
never have a conscience either. And it will never have self
35:33
consciousness either an awareness of itself or even an
35:36
awareness of being aware of itself.
35:38
He'll never have any of that stuff.
35:40
I have this theory that AI, I've never really, we've not
35:43
discussed this on the show yet, but that AI will actually force
35:48
is a strong word, but it can help at anyways.
35:52
It could help human beings actually tap into what makes
35:55
them the most human and make them less of the machines.
35:59
It's sort of like what the industrial era did to the
36:01
industrial revolution. Like now it's taking over these
36:03
functions like, you know, bricklaying or whatever.
36:06
There's no machinery that lays the bricks.
36:08
So you can do spend more time on being.
36:10
Human more time on doing art, quite frankly and so.
36:13
More time on empathy. More.
36:14
Time on empathy so instead of seeing this revolution taking
36:18
place with technology as so it's replacing, you know blue collar
36:22
jobs or it's replacing even white collar jobs like being a
36:25
lawyer. So much of lawyerly work can
36:26
maybe be done by AI. So much of you know financial
36:29
projection work can be done by AI potentially all of this other
36:32
stuff. But the good news is that can
36:34
create more jobs that are more human in terms of art, spirit,
36:38
the spiritual world, in terms of caretaking for other souls.
36:42
I mean, think about how we, you know, give daycare jobs or the
36:47
elderly, we put them in homes. But these are human souls that
36:50
don't just have physical needs that maybe could be cared for by
36:53
a, you know, machine, but they have spiritual needs that you
36:55
need another spirit to attend to.
36:58
So it's just a theory, but. All of those things are right
37:01
did to make progress in faith. And oh, just for that matter,
37:04
you're not going to make any progress in mathematics, pure
37:07
mathematics, by giving it to AI. You're going to have to have a
37:11
human being do that. Then you can turn around,
37:14
program it into the AI to use it.
37:17
That that's certainly possible. But I mean, the actual coming up
37:21
with the OR the whole new mathematics, like, you know,
37:24
you, you, you look at, you know, Einstein and Hilbert, you know,
37:28
coming up with a whole new mathematics called, you know,
37:32
the tensor that's not based on really anything that we had been
37:38
using previously. It's sort of like I'm going to
37:40
stop doing mathematics up to this point.
37:42
I'm going to reinvent mathematics in a whole new
37:44
prolific basis and so forth and so on.
37:47
I'm just going to, you know, kind of invent a whole new way
37:50
of doing things. What so happened that that
37:52
mathematics was very useful for the general theory of
37:55
relativity, But I can tell you this right now, AI wouldn't have
37:57
come up with that. And by the way, it's not just
38:00
artistic creativity, it's tons and tons of areas of
38:03
intellectual creativity. And then where you are blending,
38:06
for example, empathy with intelligence or a beauty,
38:11
artistic capacity with intelligence or conscience or
38:15
moral reasoning with intelligence or spiritual, you
38:18
know, you know, capacity with intelligence.
38:21
All those things are way beyond AI.
38:24
AI has no sense of of God, no sense of a relationship with
38:27
God, no sense of empathy, no sense of self sacrificial
38:31
empathy. What we would call a love has no
38:34
sense of morality or conscience, no sense of felt nobility or
38:38
felt guilt, no sense. You know, you can combine these
38:42
all with, you know, our super creative capacities, which AI is
38:46
not a super creative. It can do permutations on old
38:51
creativity and they could do like tons of good permutations
38:55
and old creativity, but it's not going to come up with one single
38:59
new like mathematical system or scientific system, etcetera.
39:05
If we're going to defy, you know, you'll get around the
39:08
problem of gravity. Or if we're going to approach a
39:11
black hole so that maybe if there is a wormhole at the end
39:14
of it, we're going to get through it.
39:16
We're not going to do it because AI pumped a bunch of stuff
39:19
through old technology. We're going to have to come up
39:22
with something that's abstractly and conceptually new.
39:28
I love that new challenges, new opportunities for creativity
39:32
instead of having to do the old things again and again and
39:34
again. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
39:36
Exciting. Yeah.
39:37
So back to our alien friends who are, you know.
39:41
But they do. I would say they'd have one of
39:43
those souls. Oh yeah, I mean, it makes a lot
39:45
of sense. So going back to going back to
39:48
Christianity and, and our belief, belief and, and the
39:51
truth of, you know, God being made in God's image.
39:54
And you were saying, well, then certainly they would have to be
39:57
aliens would have to be made in God's image too.
39:59
What does that mean for salvation history?
40:01
Because if they are these made in God image beings, souls, then
40:07
they would have free will. Then they would have the choice
40:08
to serve or to not serve God. Jesus Christ is true man and
40:12
true God. So he chose human form.
40:14
He didn't choose alien form. Jesus chose human form.
40:18
And So what does that mean for this theory of the potential
40:21
existence of aliens? Are they saved by Jesus Christ
40:25
too? Have they made a decision once
40:27
for all to serve and to not serve like the angels, and
40:29
they're locked in? What do you think?
40:32
So first, if if God's going to create a soul so that these
40:37
aliens can be self-conscious and creative and have abstract
40:41
intelligence, etcetera, he's not going to deprive them of a
40:44
conscience. That would be counter to God's,
40:47
you know, you know, he, he wants them to be good.
40:50
So he's got, he's going to create a conscience in those
40:53
beings. He's going to give them
40:54
transcendental desires for perfect truth, love, goodness,
40:56
meeting home. He's going to give him a, a
40:58
numinous sense, an interior numinous sense of himself so
41:01
that they're going to interrelate with him.
41:04
He's not going to deprive them of any of the things that he has
41:07
given to us spiritually, morally, you know,
41:10
aesthetically, etcetera. So the first thing is, is, is
41:14
God's going to give him the whole soul?
41:17
You know, it'd be ridiculous for God to create a being that
41:20
didn't have a soul that was, you know, capable of intellectual
41:22
creativity and self consciousness.
41:24
And then, you know, I'd not give them all the necessities they
41:27
need for free will of it. So I first of all, God created a
41:30
soul. He's going to create free will
41:31
along with it. So if the alien is like us and
41:35
intellect is going to be like us in conscience, he's going to be
41:37
like us and transcendental desires, he's going to be like
41:40
us in the interior religious experience.
41:43
So all those things will be present.
41:44
So what's going to happen? Well, the minute that alien is
41:47
there, I don't care if it's on a planet, you know, in a Galaxy
41:51
far, far away, right? I mean, the, the, the, the thing
41:55
that it will be of relevance is will the evil spirit who doesn't
41:59
have to worry about space-time travel, right?
42:01
Will the evil spirit be at that alien's elbow?
42:05
The minute that self-conscious, free willed, you know, with a
42:10
conscience, transcendental desire and experience of God
42:14
within him is is, you know, is, is the evil spirit going to be
42:18
there along with God? Absolutely.
42:20
You know he's going to be. Angels too.
42:22
And the angels too, absolutely. You're so sorry to interrupt
42:25
you, but you're saying so if the aliens have any material essence
42:29
at whatsoever, then the angels and the demons would have access
42:32
to them from the beginning of from the beginning of time?
42:35
Yeah, if they have a soul, then the evil spirit and the angels
42:40
are going to have access to them.
42:42
And so I think right there, the minute that alien the baby.
42:47
Alien. The baby alien, Yeah, that's
42:49
right. I think right at the elbow of
42:51
that baby alien, you're going to have the evil spirit.
42:54
And I mean, that's the whole, I don't know if you ever heard
42:56
Paralandra by Chess Lewis. That's the whole, you know,
43:00
thesis is maybe there's a civilization out there that
43:02
didn't commit an original sin. But my thought would be this,
43:07
you know, it's, you know, the evil spirit is very crafty.
43:11
Certainly we committed the original sin If there was
43:14
another civilization out there. I just have this suspicion the
43:18
evil spirit is going to say the same thing.
43:19
Hey, you're not God. You could be God.
43:23
All you got to do is the following things.
43:25
You don't have to really obey his commands.
43:27
I know you know it in your interior.
43:29
That's all, you know, kind of malarkey.
43:31
All he wants to do is prevent you from becoming as great as he
43:34
is. It's all a matter of pride.
43:36
Just go ahead. I mean that that's going to be
43:38
very typical, right? That's that's going to happen.
43:42
OK, let's suppose it, I'm going to, I'm going to say there's a
43:45
90% chance at that alien. And I have no reason for saying
43:49
90%, but there's, there's a good chance of that alien, even
43:53
though they have the same vision of God that we had before our
43:57
fall, which is an incredibly clear transparent vision of God
44:03
that really connects us closely with him.
44:05
You know, you know that temptation.
44:08
I want to be God to that. First of all, temptations to
44:12
self, idolatry, which of course brings on all the rest of it.
44:16
You know, the temptation toward pride and power.
44:18
I want to dominate rather than serve.
44:22
It's going to be put to that alien.
44:25
Now let's suppose the alien does fall.
44:29
I'm there. I think that God's going to do
44:31
the same thing with them as he did with us.
44:33
He's not going to let him fall all the way, you know, as
44:37
Catholic doctrine says, right? I know Calvinists believe, you
44:40
know, you have a complete fall, but we Catholics don't believe
44:44
that we're at least 51% good after the fall.
44:47
So we've got, and then, you know, there's a foundation for
44:50
Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ redemption to build on.
44:54
So I'm going to say, you know, my speculation would be in
44:56
again, I'm just operating out of theory.
44:58
And, and sorry to interrupt really quick, but that doctrine,
45:01
which is so beautiful. I love this, this idea of a
45:03
concupiscence, but that we were made good.
45:06
We were made good. It's because if you're made in
45:08
the image of God, you can't totally destroy that.
45:12
Even the the fact that the devil exists, that his very existence
45:16
is allowed by God, there's nothing because good is the like
45:20
evil is the absence of good. It's the complete absence of
45:22
good. So you probably have a more
45:24
eloquent way to say that. Oh, no.
45:25
But it's it's very. Just to respond to the Calvinist
45:27
and they're this idea that we're completely filthy, like rags.
45:30
There's no good enough. Yeah, that would be absolutely
45:33
impossible. By the way, it would also
45:35
eradicate your free will. Yeah, You know, and, and why
45:38
Calvin didn't figure that out, I, I do not know because it's
45:40
perfectly obvious to me. If you have a really no sense of
45:44
good whatsoever, you fall all the way so that you're not at
45:48
least 51% good and your, your predisposition is at least 51%
45:52
toward good. Even if it's 49% in the other
45:54
direction, you know, it is still, you would not be free.
45:59
And so I just don't think Calvin's, you know, epistemology
46:03
and, and certainly not as bad as you could stand up to this.
46:06
But the long and the short of it is, though, I think the aliens
46:09
would, if they fell, they're going to need a Redeemer to
46:13
answer your question. And could Jesus's redemption do
46:16
the job? Yes.
46:17
Jesus's redemption is an infinite act of love.
46:21
Therefore, it's going to redeem any, you know, sin, any fall,
46:27
right, of any civilization. So, you know, when our
46:30
missionaries went off initially, you know, in the, in the 1400s
46:34
and the 1500s, discovered the New World and so forth and so
46:37
on, they thought they were going to bring Jesus Christ to these
46:40
other worlds. Now, today we look at other
46:43
worlds in a slightly different way, like outer space.
46:47
But I think we should treat it just as the old missionaries
46:49
did. You know, instead of going
46:51
across the ocean, we're going across, you know, huge, vast
46:55
expanses of space. So you look at that and go,
46:57
whoa, okay, you know, what would Jesus, would we bring the word
47:02
of Jesus Christ to these other civilizations?
47:04
Absolutely, we should. Number one, you can be sure that
47:08
being already is aware of their fallen nature, that there's
47:12
something sinful that they feel guilty, they've violated their
47:15
conscience. They're going to be just like us
47:17
before we ever heard about Jesus Christ, right?
47:20
So they're going to feel all the the same things that we felt all
47:25
that time between Adam and Eve and of course the coming of
47:28
Jesus Christ. You know, there, you know,
47:30
there's something wrong here. But at the same time, I'm still
47:34
free. I still, you know, you know, I
47:36
can act on the law or not act on the law.
47:39
You know, I have opportunity to do something I want.
47:43
And at the same time I am resisting that for the sake of
47:47
my love of God, etcetera. That kind of thing is going to
47:51
be present in that alien civilization if it's a fallen
47:54
civilization. So I'm presuming it's not going
47:57
to be Paralandra, it's going to be a fallen civilization.
48:00
But just like in Paralandra, there's going to be a devil
48:03
figure there, right? And that evil figure is going to
48:06
try and get the innocence to, to fall to go all the way.
48:11
But God didn't, you know, leave us bereft, right?
48:13
He gave, he gives us Jesus Christ, which is such a
48:16
phenomenal solution, a phenomenal overcoming of the
48:20
fall of original sin that you look at it and you go, oh, gosh,
48:25
God sort of, oh, happy fault, as we say in Easter Vigil, right,
48:31
that gave us through the sin of Adam, such a savior as the Son
48:35
of God. So you look at that and you go,
48:38
wow, that's true. God would do that.
48:41
So what's my responsibility if I find an alien and it looks like
48:46
he says, you know, I, I certainly believe in God.
48:48
I really have an interior experience of a being that's
48:51
higher than me. I certainly have experienced
48:53
evil angelic entities and I've experienced good angelic
48:58
deities. And I know just what you're
48:59
talking about. And I think he would or she
49:03
would absolutely no right away. You know what I'm talking about.
49:08
I don't think it would be any mystery like, huh, what?
49:11
And then even if they had original sin.
49:13
So I'd I'd catechize them and I I'd baptize them.
49:16
Well, so do you think though it's possible if these aliens do
49:20
exist, if these like UFO sightings are aliens and they're
49:23
super intelligent, obviously because they have technology
49:25
that far supasusars like you explained earlier, so
49:29
powerfully, surely they're observing us.
49:32
They clearly are. And they they know, they know
49:35
about Jesus because they hear us.
49:36
They see us, they see our mass, they see our Christian belief.
49:40
They, they, they've seen maybe even human history.
49:42
They understand Jesus came into the world.
49:45
Maybe they witnessed all of it. So maybe they already are
49:47
catechized and they already are maybe even baptized.
49:51
How does that work though? Because.
49:52
Yeah, if they're visiting, that's I was more doing the
49:55
missionary deal. But if they're visiting us, oh,
49:59
I think they have witnessed a million Catholic Masses.
50:02
Absolutely they have a capacity to.
50:04
Can you? Baptize yourself if you're an
50:07
alien because you would need to be.
50:10
How does that well? I don't know if you could.
50:13
So that would be an issue. Then they would need to be
50:15
baptized someone. There'd have to be 1 human to
50:18
baptize at least one alien, and then that alien could go baptize
50:21
others. That's correct.
50:23
And then Apostolic succession, they can't do sacraments,
50:26
certain sacraments anyways, yeah.
50:27
Oh no, they, they couldn't imitate our our sacraments.
50:30
They they would need human intervention to do that.
50:33
So it could be they're kind of hanging out, like, give me the
50:35
goods. Well, maybe they could be doing
50:39
that. Or I mean, for example, I would,
50:41
you know, if I were an alien and I was looking, you know, at the
50:44
cat. I know I were looking at a
50:46
Catholic. You're.
50:48
Very smart. You might be an alien.
50:52
But you know, I'm looking at the whole scene, right?
50:54
And I, I'd be thinking to myself that Eucharist makes sense to
50:58
me, a complete gift of self that's made present, you know,
51:03
in the, in the, in the, in the body and blood of Christ.
51:07
I would say that that's something very interesting
51:09
indeed. Maybe that Eucharistic miracles
51:11
themselves would be of interest to an alien culture that would
51:15
just get a sign that there was a transcendent deity.
51:19
But no, I don't think the aliens, if they have the
51:22
technology they have, I don't think they'd be trying to play
51:25
God or fool us into, you know, thinking that they're, you know,
51:30
you know, that they're gods or something like that.
51:33
Let's gain this out a little bit.
51:34
So based on what you're saying, let's just theorize here if they
51:38
are these beneficent, beneficent beings that are material and
51:43
soul. So they have souls, they're
51:45
spirit and material and, and they have a body of some kind.
51:49
So all these things and they have been to the United States
51:52
or sorry, they've been to the US and certainly the world.
51:54
I mean, these UFO sightings were on US soil, I believe.
51:57
But anyways, they've been all around the globe.
51:59
Let's say they, they visited us, right?
52:02
And they have observed our faith because they would have have had
52:06
to observe our faith. But they haven't made direct
52:08
contact with us except outside of the movie ET.
52:12
But they haven't made direct contact with us.
52:13
So they're not baptized yet? They're not.
52:16
They've not received any sacraments yet, right?
52:19
But maybe they've made a profession of faith in their
52:21
souls. Wouldn't they have?
52:23
Wouldn't they want to get the sacraments?
52:26
And wouldn't they then try to communicate with human beings to
52:29
get the sacraments? Yeah, my my answer to that is
52:33
yes. And yes, I do think they would
52:35
want to to get in contact with human beings to get those
52:39
sacraments. Now, do you know, do I credit,
52:44
you know, aliens with being present, you know, to to a human
52:48
being? I think the way that they would
52:50
do that honestly, is they would try to not look like aliens.
52:56
They would try to look like us. And I would say that they would
53:00
try. Yeah.
53:01
I think they would basically come along and try to become
53:08
part of a church. They'd look like, you know, you
53:11
or me and and they they try to go to church, they try to
53:14
befriend people. They get to know their pastor.
53:17
They get baptized looking like a human.
53:20
You know, how could we possibly? Or they would go to seminary and
53:24
become a priest. And they would become a priest.
53:26
They could. So would that be a valid sorry
53:28
to interrupt, but that would so so but even though then they
53:31
then they're also an alien and then they would maybe die as a
53:34
human and then go back to their alien planet and then they would
53:38
go and share line of Apostolic succession and sacraments on
53:41
their. Alien.
53:41
They could certainly do all of it.
53:44
So you could be an alien is what you're saying?
53:46
Yes, you could, because you could.
53:47
Be. I mean, that's what you know.
53:51
We don't know. We don't know.
53:52
Yeah, yeah. You never know.
53:54
They'd probably look pretty close because I'll tell you, I
53:57
bet you they could. They could make a perfectly good
53:59
replication of a human being. Very transmorphism.
54:03
Well, I mean, it's deceptive on one thing, but it's deceptive
54:06
for a good purpose. They they want to be catechized
54:09
and they won't want to be baptized and they want to be
54:12
admitted into the church and they want to go to seminary and
54:16
they're all good purposes. And do I think that the aliens
54:20
who are here could have such a beneficent purpose?
54:24
Yes, I do. I I really do.
54:26
I like I said, I find it amazing.
54:28
If they really have interstellar travel, why don't they do
54:33
something really evil for their own purposes?
54:37
Why haven't their? Why hasn't self idolatry turned
54:40
them into dominators, A veritable Hitler on an
54:44
exponentially greater scale? Why?
54:48
Because they're listening to their conscience.
54:51
Yes, that's true. They do have an interior
54:55
relationship with the numinous, with God.
54:57
Yes, I really think that's true. But I also think they're also
55:03
learning from Christianity. Or either that, or they've had
55:08
their own savior on their own planet, wherever it may be.
55:13
There. So you're saying the incarnation
55:16
because you're saying earlier the incarnation is enough,
55:18
right? Oh, it's enough.
55:19
It's one tracker. So what do you mean by their own
55:21
savior? Well, let's let's suppose God.
55:23
I couldn't read God's mind, right?
55:25
And so let's suppose he did send another savior to another
55:28
planet. Well, I I couldn't rule it out.
55:31
But when you say another savior, you don't mean a savior like
55:34
Jesus, you mean not God, a not God savior like an Angel.
55:37
I would say so. A non.
55:39
Yeah. Well, unless he took on a
55:41
separate incarnation. And so it's Jesus who comes to
55:45
another the same Son of God just coming to another civil.
55:49
But he wouldn't have had to be crucified twice.
55:51
No, he would not have to be. So he's more just going as Jesus
55:55
to the other planet to preach the good news.
55:57
He could, because. The one sacrifice on Calvary
55:59
wasn't. Actually, that's pretty much on
56:03
the marker. You're right on the marker.
56:06
Hey, you're you got it. So that's that's.
56:10
We figured it out, Father, right here, right now.
56:14
You're right on the marker. Like the theory that they're
56:17
here and we don't they they've camouflaged themselves because
56:20
they don't want to create disruption.
56:21
They know that if they made themselves known in some any
56:25
kind of diplomatic way, human mankind would just freak out.
56:29
And so they're not doing that because they don't want to
56:31
create drama, basically. And so they're here, they're
56:35
undercover to receive the sacraments, baptism, and then
56:39
they're kind of quietly going home.
56:41
Now under that theory, you can make an argument that if they
56:44
have the power to do that, wouldn't they also, because
56:47
they're super life forms, you know, super intelligent, all
56:49
this stuff, wouldn't they have the power to solve a lot of our
56:52
human ailments? Well, the the one thing is they
56:55
don't want to, you know, kill our freedom off right?
56:58
They can't do it for us. So, you know, if the alien comes
57:02
and says, you know, I'm going to help you out, but basically says
57:06
I'm going to give you the solution to this problem, you
57:09
know, and, and they give us a solution to a problem where we
57:14
don't have to, you know, get our own creativity and morality, you
57:19
know, aligned toward coming to that solution ourselves.
57:23
They're going to really undermine our free will.
57:26
I mean, why doesn't God perform a miracle every two seconds?
57:29
Lila has a problem, you know but.
57:32
He arguably you could say there are miracles being performed
57:34
every. 20, yes. For those that ask and believe.
57:37
Yes, the. God's Providence so.
57:39
Why wouldn't it be like exponentially larger, you know,
57:43
where you could just say, OK, especially going to be blind,
57:47
you know, and you know, you know, and just, you know, do it.
57:51
Because of course there's something about being in an
57:54
imperfect world that is very important to our getting to our
57:58
salvation. There's something about being
58:01
deprived, being in an imperfect condition, suffering even from
58:05
the imperfect condition, that's really important to the
58:08
purification of our love so that we can get to the point of
58:12
egoless love, right. And then, you know, inherit, as
58:16
it were, the Kingdom of heaven. There's something in it.
58:18
And so the aliens not going to take away something that we need
58:23
right now, you know, in order. But don't worry, if an alien
58:28
exists, he has his own imperfections and his own ghosts
58:31
that he's going to have to wrestle with, right?
58:33
He's going to have his own, you know, demons as they say that
58:37
that, you know, nobody gets off the hook.
58:40
You know, maybe they've mastered ways of getting around
58:43
earthquakes and so forth, but they're not going to master ways
58:46
of getting around spiritual battles.
58:48
Because if those aliens are like us, and they may well be, though
58:53
they may be, you know, hundreds of thousands of years ahead of
58:56
us in technology, they're still going to have to fight the
58:59
spiritual battles, the challenges.
59:02
I mean, the devil is there, you know, he's going to equal
59:06
opportunity employer, right? He's going to want to definitely
59:10
get the the aliens, I mean, you know, tempted, disobedient, you
59:17
know, a self idolatrous, vain, whatever domineering, you know,
59:22
and then they're going to have to face these demons.
59:24
And so nobody gets off the hook. So just because you have an
59:28
advancement in technology, you're still going to have to
59:31
fight that urge. And so we all have the, the
59:34
imperfections. But you know, you know,
59:37
theoretically though, you're right.
59:38
I mean, it's a, it's a good question.
59:40
But if they have superpowers effectively because of
59:42
technological advancement, and the very fact, like you're
59:45
saying, they're in our Galaxy and in our planet, is because of
59:48
these superpowers, which you explained earlier is
59:50
technologically in advance beyond what we can even imagine.
59:54
We can hardly imagine, I should say anyways.
59:56
Then it would theoretically take just one bad day, one bad alien.
1:00:03
One bad decision to destroy everything.
1:00:06
Well, to destroy everything on planet Earth because they're so,
1:00:09
so like, I think about like when like petty criminals in our
1:00:14
world, right? So there's a human, they're a
1:00:16
petty criminal. Thankfully, petty criminals
1:00:18
don't have access to the nuclear codes, right, thankfully.
1:00:21
And there's a lot of concern about who has access to nuclear
1:00:24
weapons, right? If you give it to a maniac
1:00:26
maniac or you give it to a petty criminal who has nothing to lose
1:00:30
or whatever against, not all petty criminals are, you know,
1:00:32
bad to the core. But anyways, we would see a lot
1:00:35
more nuclear weaponry thrown around and every we'd all blow
1:00:38
each other up. Thankfully that hasn't happened
1:00:40
yet on planet Earth. But if aliens have the ability
1:00:43
effectively to blow us all up in a second, the technology is just
1:00:46
right there at their fingertips. And theoretically, it's at the
1:00:48
fingertips of virtually every alien because the technology,
1:00:51
like the nuclear codes to an alien is like the iPhone to a
1:00:54
human. Yeah, except for one thing,
1:00:56
though every alien may not have access to that because aliens
1:01:00
can build in their own resistant technologies to prevent, you
1:01:05
know, malignant aliens from getting a hold of it and
1:01:08
utilizing it. So you could actually, you know,
1:01:12
you hope that the good guys went out, right.
1:01:14
But you're going to have some good, yeah, you're going to have
1:01:16
some good guys and some bad guys.
1:01:18
And so, you know, they can, they can be very preventative.
1:01:21
But I do think that if you do have mostly beneficent aliens
1:01:26
with the kind of technological apparatus they can restrain
1:01:29
others from, from building things, you can actually, you
1:01:32
know, prevent them from utilizing various powers,
1:01:36
especially things that have to be, you know, materially
1:01:38
aligned. But make no mistake about it,
1:01:42
you know, those aliens for sure, you know, could get a bad actor.
1:01:48
They could. And maybe they just, you know,
1:01:51
didn't see it coming. They could have, you know,
1:01:52
resisted them, but they didn't. Yeah, we could.
1:01:55
It could really extinguish us. But right now it looks like, you
1:02:00
know, the majority of the aliens that are here, if indeed they
1:02:04
are here. Like I said, I need to get the
1:02:07
the lasers rolled out first. But but let's say that, you
1:02:10
know, if they, if they really are here, they seem to be truly
1:02:13
beneficent and they certainly seem to have pushed out the
1:02:17
possibility of bad actors, the bad actors.
1:02:20
You know Hey if Lucifer can be a head Angel and he can fall, then
1:02:26
alien can you know with much considerably reduced power can
1:02:31
can fall too. Can choose non sarvium and
1:02:35
basically say I want to dominate instead and make self idolatry
1:02:39
the the the the name of the game.
1:02:41
After this conversation, I'm leaning more into the camp of
1:02:44
the lasers just 'cause I, I, if the aliens are real and all of
1:02:50
these things seem logically to follow in terms of their
1:02:54
intelligence, their abilities, their openness to potentially
1:02:57
Christianity, Whether Jesus shows up for them on their
1:03:00
planet or they learn about him over here, or Jesus sends an
1:03:03
Angel or whatever God chooses to do, right?
1:03:06
I think this idea that we wouldn't know that it would be
1:03:09
some big secret that they kept from humanity, but they are at
1:03:13
the same time beneficent and at the same time they have free
1:03:17
will. So there could be bad actors,
1:03:18
but the bad actors haven't in any way injured us, You know, it
1:03:21
just seems a lot of. Yeah, there's a lot of
1:03:24
assumptions there, but it, it, it could, that scenario could be
1:03:29
true too. So, but you know, so I, I, you
1:03:32
can't rule it all out, but I do think we do have to rule out the
1:03:36
lasers and. We do think we should rule out
1:03:38
the lasers. Well, no.
1:03:39
I I think if we're going to prove that these are really
1:03:42
aliens, we have to rule out lasers.
1:03:45
And the lasers could produce images that really look like
1:03:50
aliens. Well, that's why I'm saying I
1:03:51
think it's lasers. I'm in the laser camp.
1:03:53
I don't think it's aliens. It's fun to theorize about
1:03:56
aliens, but it's fun to think you might be an alien because
1:03:59
you're. But I don't know that that's
1:04:01
true. No, probably not.
1:04:04
And he too was pretty cute, you know?
1:04:06
But it just seems. Is there something, do you think
1:04:10
that I know you were betting earlier, 51% it's alien, so
1:04:14
you're on that, you're on that bandwagon.
1:04:16
Is there any other evidence that you've seen Father Spitzer?
1:04:19
I know we watched the UFO videos earlier.
1:04:21
That you think indicates that I. Think that the visual reports
1:04:25
from, you know, naval pilots and so forth, Navy pilots and so
1:04:29
forth, probably they, they do have a little bit of of suasion
1:04:35
to them. But like I said, there's a
1:04:36
perfectly other good explanation that could be out there
1:04:41
producible only by human technology.
1:04:44
So I just don't want to leap into the alien thing.
1:04:47
The other thing is, is, you know, all these supposed places
1:04:50
where an alien craft craft has crashed and so forth and yet
1:04:53
never do we find a single remnant of an alley.
1:04:57
Now, maybe our government is hiding all this from us, but you
1:05:00
know, why is it that somebody did not ingeniously sneak out 1
1:05:06
little teeny piece of whatever, you know, you know, that that,
1:05:11
that you know, should be available, You know, and it just
1:05:14
like, OK, if you really had an alien crash site, you know, I, I
1:05:19
want to see that something. Don't tell me there was one.
1:05:23
And but we don't have any, you know, remnant of it or our
1:05:27
government has ingeniously hidden everything.
1:05:30
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
1:05:33
But then again, like I said, you know, I, I can be persuaded that
1:05:38
that you do have, you know, some kind of a visitation that might
1:05:43
be there. But there's a lot of things that
1:05:45
have to be rolled out first before I can be positive that
1:05:49
that they're there. And you know, by the way, you
1:05:51
know, that the Drake equation pretty much says in our whole
1:05:55
Galaxy there are probably only 30 civilizations that could
1:06:00
probably, you know, give rise to life.
1:06:03
They could. That's a lot, though.
1:06:05
Yeah, but it's over vast distances that would take
1:06:10
millions upon millions of years, even at 1,000,000 mph, you know,
1:06:16
to, to, to get, you know, here to the earth and start
1:06:19
manifesting themselves. But like I said, you could have
1:06:22
technological equivalents, you know, I mean, they, they, they
1:06:26
might have some ability, some super technology that could do
1:06:30
it. But again, that I need to be
1:06:33
persuaded. I mean, I, you know, the
1:06:35
millions upon millions upon millions of travel and everybody
1:06:38
says, well, I was going to be done by a wormhole.
1:06:40
No way. I mean, the wormhole won't work
1:06:43
if because you got to 1st go through the black hole to get to
1:06:46
the wormhole, but if you go through a black hole, you get
1:06:49
squished to 10 to the -22 centimeters, which is really
1:06:53
unhealthy. I mean, basically, you know how
1:06:56
you got to get out of this problem and your whole
1:06:58
spacecraft will be squished to 10 to the -22cm.
1:07:02
So I mean, I, you know, it's not, you know, just saying, oh,
1:07:05
we're going through a wormhole. You know, this is, you know,
1:07:08
logically crazy. You'd have to have a technology
1:07:11
that was just as great as travelling millions of mph and
1:07:15
still it would take thousands upon thousands of years to get
1:07:17
here. It is wild to think that God
1:07:19
created the Galaxy as big as it is and the galaxies and that
1:07:23
there is this much time and space.
1:07:25
It's just it's it's mind bending to think about.
1:07:27
Oh yeah. And and also to imagine that,
1:07:29
OK, maybe there is only one civilization and it's ours, and
1:07:33
he created all of that vast time and space and material for and
1:07:38
we don't even get to see it, but it's all he still wanted to
1:07:41
create it. And here we are, a little tiny
1:07:43
planet Earth. Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:07:44
I mean, Andromeda is our closest Galaxy.
1:07:47
Take us billions of years, aliens, billions of years.
1:07:50
It's super fast speeds to get here, you know, again, you know,
1:07:54
the whole idea of intergalactic travel.
1:07:57
So you know, you know, it's still up for grabs.
1:08:00
To be honest with you, maybe I shouldn't have said 51%.
1:08:04
Maybe I should have just said 5050.
1:08:06
So I'm not he's down a percentage after this chat.
1:08:10
No, I mean, there's just so much to consider, you know?
1:08:13
And like I said, you have to get over.
1:08:15
Yeah, I need some proof. It's not lasers, you know?
1:08:18
I really want some. You got to get the proof in here
1:08:20
Father. Thank you for enlightening us on
1:08:23
this topic of aliens and for letting us explore the galaxies
1:08:30
potential extraterrestrial life forms.
1:08:33
Well, no, thank you Lila for the.
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Opportunity for a little reading assignment for people listening.
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What would you recommend of your work that people can study or
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read or or? Purchase.
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On this topic. Yeah, I have a PowerPoint, you
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know, on the topic that goes into, you know, pretty explicit
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detail about various kinds of things.
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I also have a book called Science at the Doorstep to God.
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And there I have a, a, you know, an explanation of why our soul,
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you know, has those five operations that I talked about
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that require trans physical processes.
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And then in my book, Christ, Science and Reason, in appendix
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#2 of that book, I basically have a whole consideration of
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aliens in light of, you know, the transphysical technology.
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Fascinating, fascinating stuff. Thank you so much, Father
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Spitzer. Always a delight to have you on.
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And thank you for this conversation.
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Gives me a lot to imagine, to think about.
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Thank you. Thanks so much for listening to
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this episode of the Lila Rose Podcast.
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Let me know what you guys think. Is Father Robert Spitzer an
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alien? He's very bright.
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He just might be. Am I an alien?
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Are you an alien? I don't know.
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But regardless of whether we're aliens or humans, we are created
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by a God who loves us and that should give us all a lot of
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peace. And a huge thank you to EWTN
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