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"The Protector: Dust, Blood, and High-Octane Adventure" · Cinema Yūgen

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G'day. That's right, it's that time again. Time for Cinema Yugen.
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G'day Yugen and I, it's Cinema Yugen, your host Kent Hill.
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Welcome back to this week's episode. The Movie, The Protector,
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is a high-stakes road movie dipped in grime and fire.
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Raul Gastezzaro's direction is tight and energetic is script-balancing action
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with unexpected emotional depth.
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Daniel Gomez's cinematography captures the scorched earth beauty of the setting
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while Michael Sempert's moody score enhances the film's immersive tone anchored by dynamic,
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strong performances by Marguerite Moreau. That's right, Connie from The Mighty Ducks.
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My other guest, Matt Fahey, And of course,
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let's not us forget the ever-commanding Graham Greene, that's right,
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kicking bird from Dances with Wolves,
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who serves both as narrator and the guardian on one of the most precious items
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in this scorched earth future. That's right, water.
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The film carries surprising weight beneath its kinetic surface.
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You can check out the rest of my review for Film Threat for The Protector.
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Check the links in the description. But now, you and I sit back,
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relax, and listen as we welcome my guests,
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the director of The Protector, the writer-director, Raul Gastezzaro,
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and stars Matt Fahey, and that's right, Connie from the Mighty Ducks,
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Marguerite Moreau.
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Welcome to Cinema, Ugin, lady and gentlemen.
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G'day, g'day, g'day. Thank you for having us. When everyone says it can't be
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done, ducks fly together.
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Love the call out. Flying V. Thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing
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your film with me. This is really cool.
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So, Marguerite, all of that ice hockey prepared you for the roughhousing in this one, hey?
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Yep. I mean, you really can't do one without the other.
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That's why they got you. It's true. They could tell I could handle it, all my fierce training.
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Unlike in The Mighty Ducks, you're the enforcer in this one, though. Right?
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I think they call me the enforcer, actually. In The Ducks, Ken,
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I believe Connie is the velvet hammer.
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So, you know, it's not much of a stretch, actually.
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Yeah. Well, post-apocalyptic movies, mate.
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I come from a country that loves them, so this movie was right up my alley what
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made you want to go go full dust and blood mate,
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this is actually my second foray in that you
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know entertaining genre right i i
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i love mad max fury road
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was obviously like the new edition but i think
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what george miller's been able to do throughout really
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kind of set a beautiful precedent for what we
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were attempting to achieve with more of
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our kind of like practical sets and and physical combat
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approach it is what he pulled off with
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no budget definitely sounded me and was an inspiration for
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sure cool and and going
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out into that foray i mean because of
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mad max that the genre definitely took off in the 80s and everyone who was anyone
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who said you know if you want to make a low budget action movie you know Go
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and do one of these post-apocalyptic movies because all you need is like a really
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cool looking cast and dust and a desert.
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Yeah, no, you're right. Yeah, some weird locations that seem otherworldly or
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just so truly distressed that there's no doubt.
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Yeah, I mean, I also want to correct myself. I think Road Warrior obviously
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was what I was referring to and not Fury Road.
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But I feel like, you know, Australia seems like a perfect backdrop and was while
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we were initially kind of conceiving of the film and considering locations,
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both Namibia, which obviously was for Fury Road,
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and Australia, both came to mind as ideal locales just because of the aridness of the regions.
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Yeah no it's um it's definitely a genre that has a lot of potential and and
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i mean there were lots of films i don't know if these were intentional or subconscious
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callbacks but i saw lots of stuff like there was sort of references to salute
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to the jugger or blood of heroes in there,
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obviously furiosa mad max the children of men or children of men something else that you were.
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Inspired with because obviously the story of young
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Kellen is almost I'm not saying but definitely something that the film touches
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on the idea that reproduction has slowed to a trickle and so any young people
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or children need to be protected because they are.
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So rare I think that's right I think Book of Eli is another one obviously for
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some of the kind of quotes of the fight sequences and how we kept a few of those
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silhouetted for obvious reasons.
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It was a really fun way to, to make, you know, a small budget go far and,
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and execute those quickly.
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But yeah, I mean, I'm children of men. I thought was one of the better films in this kind of.
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Genre or canon in a long time partly because
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of i thought i think not only the way it was shot but how much world
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building that they were able to do successfully to really
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kind of like keep it grounded in reality where mad
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max is potentially so far flung you don't know where it is
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or book of eli gets a little outlandish like children
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of men felt very much based in reality one note
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that i think is interesting is i purposely like didn't actually
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watch a lot of content that is similar aka
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what's that one called the what's the
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one where there's like all the women in red with the
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white caps that's all about how they can't make kids anymore either
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a successful series yes thank
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you margaret handsmaid's tale i purposely didn't watch that
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and many other films that felt relevant because
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i didn't want to be derivative although most stories are and i think you know
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matt's character actually is a perfect example of trying to kind of broaden
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that experience of what had gone wrong in the world and and his kind of lead
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poisoning slash mental faculty failure.
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Was definitely a nod to that for sure yeah does everyone everyone here think
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you know i mean the way the world's going and marguerite you were talking about
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this before we before we got on the show here you know with the extreme weather
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and uh well i'm at the way things are going across the earth.
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Is this movie science fiction or science eventuality?
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I think that Raul has definitely been working on a new kind of awareness campaign with the movie.
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It's not something that I've really seen before, and it definitely is eventuality
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in that respect. It's not pretending to just be entertainment for entertainment's
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sake, but for also to get you to think at the same time.
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Yeah. Matt, what do you think, mate? Are you a big post-apocalyptic fan?
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Was this the movie of your dreams to get involved in the dust and the blood
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and the guts and the high-octane thrills? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
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I think, you know, Raul wrote a beautiful script, was very blessed that he trusted
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me with the ability to play Frank.
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And yeah, I mean, as an actor, you know, when you get a script like this,
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it's something that's extremely juicy,
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can you know sink your teeth into especially when you're playing somebody
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that is so different from you to
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be able to you know walk in different shoes that and be able to research you
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know what what is it like to actually have lead poisoning and i never thought
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to look up lead poisoning but i've watched some videos and it's it's great that
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i never had to actually deal with bad.
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It's called acting, Matt. It's called acting. It's great.
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You know, as an actor you get to play a bunch of roles that you would never
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or hope to never have to deal with in real life.
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So, yeah.
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One thing that came out of this movie that I was really, really interested in
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and think that there's great potential to take further is this whole dirt jousting.
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Do you like that? Yeah. It's a fun part of it, isn't I was wondering,
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like, because early in the film, there's just brief glimpses.
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And the first thing I wanted is how do they stay upright on the bottom of the car?
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And then, of course, you see later on, they've got those magnetic shoes or boots
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or slides or Yeezys or whatever you want to call it.
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And, yeah, I mean, I think there's...
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I think there's great potential in like a, you know, a dirt jousting,
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you know, you could have gone the full salute to the Jugger way and like,
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you know, make it a dirt jousting story.
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Like she's got to win a big dirt joust to, you know, go that way. Yeah.
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Can you contemplate? Yeah, Marguerite, I didn't want to interrupt you.
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No, no. I think, I always think it's always connected to, what is it?
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The Thunder, the Thunderdome. Thunderdome at Burning Man.
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Which i know goes back to yeah george meller and everything so does that that's
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fun i i think margarita and i actually spent a night or two out at birdie man
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and i i think we actually went,
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i think that night with your friend and and chris we actually went to the thunderdome,
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which is just such a funny call out to think back on like 10 years ago or whatever
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that was just really tracked for me when i read that part of the jousting i
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connected it to that and went all Right, so this is really tracking.
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I know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, no, and it's funny. It was an idea that I had with a dear friend of mine
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named Billy Fry, who was kind of like a co-story producer on the movie.
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And yeah, you're absolutely right about the magnets.
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And in reality, this film is ideally the beginning of a trilogy, a la Mad Max.
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So the middle episode would actually be called The Dirt Jouster.
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Oh, okay, cool. And to give like a brief nod as to what that would entail,
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it's Ed Nyati, the guy who's the son of the chief. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Would be the like kind of hero dirt jouster that rises from the ashes of Marguerite's run and all that.
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But you're onto something for sure. Gladiator too.
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She was. But hopefully better. Spike TV was. And no monkeys and sharks.
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Yeah, exactly. that's the
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one thing that took me out of that movie you've got to say is how the hell did
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they get the sharks uh yeah yeah uh
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kept them for one and then put them in
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the cold season i mean how did they not
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get more money for cgi that's really what it is to me
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no but it's um it
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you know it's it's it's it's a film that has so many like i i'm glad that you
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that you have a notion to expand the world because there are so many questions
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and so many sort of tantalizing ways it can go in so many different,
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you know, so many different areas of this world and this way of life.
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I mean, we look at it as a film, as entertainment, but if we're not careful.
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As we always say, if we're not careful with our resources, and I mean,
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the danger has always been we use our planet's resources as though they were
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infinite, and they're not.
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In the end, it always seems that it gets passed down to the hands of the few
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to look after the needs of the many. True?
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Yeah, that's absolutely right. And I think, you know, the idea that is very
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subtle in the film, but where Marguerite is kind of, spoiler alert,
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you know, not doing so well, and she reaches over for the detonator,
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she says, it's our turn now, right?
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Which is kind of like a nod to
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exactly what you're talking about it can't just rest with the
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indigenous or the poor the first nations to to hold
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not to equate those two or three
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but like it can't become upon the like
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other to to be
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able to stand up and actually protect what's left
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for the future it really is about you know
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not like the white savior but which is
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why kellen is black But the fact that
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we can all kind of stand up together as one to do something about it is really
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what Marguerite's alluding to as well with the idea of this being a movie that
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is around a movement or at least awareness or hopefully like a spark for something to catch fire.
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And Marguerite, I like how your character sort of has Snake Plissken's.
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Element to her oh who
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is that i was gonna look that
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up and then i didn't yeah kurt russell john
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carpenter escaped from new york escaped from
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la okay cool i haven't seen it
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and i'm embarrassed to say but i haven't okay i will now yeah no no it's just
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because your character was you know essentially brought out of prison to go
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and you know do a job and i figured like Like maybe Snake Plissken was a spiritual reference.
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Definitely subconscious. How about that? Subconscious. Yeah, exactly.
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It's amazing actually how much story it is, like how hard it is to not be derivative
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or influenced by, you know, one thing or another.
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I can't remember, but there's some book on like the fact that there's only really seven stories, period.
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We're just telling different kind of variations of them.
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I thought Marguerite did such an amazing job with this movie And knowing her
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personally for many years And it's like A powerful,
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brilliant Like kind woman And then having to kind of ask her To become a A really
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callous and initially cold Like hearted killer Is pretty Speaking of people
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acting outside of their Raul you don't have to kiss up It's okay,
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The reason Marguerite did I mean, Marguerite and I have been friends for like
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20 years, literally went to the same college, but didn't actually go at the
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same time and have a lot of mutual friends.
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So like, that's the only reason the movie happened is because she was willing
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to do me a favor and take a big risk.
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So a little kissing ass is due.
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Okay. Okay. And is everyone happy with the final episode?
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Product when everyone oh my god I'm so incredibly
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proud you don't even know the blood sweat
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and tears and passion that went into this I mean independent
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film as it is it's just an incredibly difficult thing to do and you have to
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have people that are incredibly passionate and need it beyond just I don't know
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some irrational idea you just well but I mean you really do and I think that's You know,
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I always knew him through Friends and really enjoyed his company.
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But when he asked to help out on the sizzle for this project,
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I said, well, yeah, you know, I thought, like, I'll help whatever you need.
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And then it was such a joy to work with him and his crew that I was like,
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yeah, just let me know what you need.
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And, you know, it's like he MacGyvered this movie into what it is.
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And I'm so incredibly proud of him because it was not easy. It was super fun
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to shoot. I will say that.
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But it wasn't easy to manifest it. You know what I mean?
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Yes. So I'm incredibly happy. When everyone says it can't be done.
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Yes. Well, sir, I take a knee on that. That was very beautiful how you did that.
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It was definitely a labor of love. And everybody that was involved with it,
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all the sacrifices that were made.
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And we all had this one central goal, and everyone bought into it.
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And when people do that, then you can accomplish anything.
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That's why we were able to accomplish this film, was because everybody bought
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into that one central goal of making this beautiful film.
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I was listening to Daniel Day-Lewis earlier this morning,
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talking about how a good film set is
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like you set it up so that
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the actors and everyone there can play in the
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world the world is convincing enough that you can simply
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immerse yourself was that the case on this film oh the costumes the costumes
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I say yes I wore 40 pounds of leather facing middle age in the middle of Lancaster
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it's a desert and was happy like a like a little kid playing in the It was fantastic.
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And I think a lot of that had to do with Maria who did the costumes because
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the minute you put them on, you were in the world.
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Although you will enjoy, since you keep making Mighty Dex references,
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that I wore my character's docs from the first movie as this character.
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And I was so happy to pull out of retirement.
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That's awesome i forgot about that yeah no and i think yeah maria callou,
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we owe a great nod to she made magic out of literally just regs but i think
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you know part of my objective as a filmmaker and part of what i love about film
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is what you put in the frame right that's like the whole idea and we've we made
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real efforts to find locations um,
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naturally lent themselves to this world and we didn't actually have to do a
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ton of work to to bring the kind of the feeling of that space and that world building into reality.
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Granted though raul is all the detritus that's
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in the background it's not there by accident you
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put it there absolutely yeah no
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and you're very and i try and be very conscious yeah we
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had it yeah we had very deliberate absolutely and we
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had a great production designer but i am also what came
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up as a production designer so i'm always very conscious and kind of super nitpicky
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as to to kind of what we're showing and what we're not and i i think you know
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what was amazing is marguerite and a couple of the other cast and a tiny crew
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went out to arizona for two days of filming we were literally there for i think one night,
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in the the nuclear missile silos these bunkers that we kind of descend into
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are actually a practical nuclear missile silos from the Cold War that are now
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like beneath the nursery for Cactus,
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as well as these Casa Grande domes that kind of open up the film.
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They actually were condemned and torn down, I think, a month or two after we shot there.
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So part of the objective was like, let's do it.
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That's why Marguerite wasn't. Get it before it's gone.
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It's like the savings after pre-Christmas sales. Get them before they're gone.
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There you go. I mean, magical. To help in some areas, yeah.
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Well, and I think that's something to keep in mind, Ken, and I don't know if
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you are aware of the budget, but I think most of these budgets for,
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and I don't mind talking about the budget, I think it's important in independent
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film, is that we made this for less than a million bucks, right?
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And I think when you think about what usually a million dollars kind of buys you,
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It's so limited in the mindset of what filmmakers think is possible.
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And I think where we're at right now is this kind of blossoming of a new age
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where it's like, hold on, we have the tools now. We have the tech.
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VFX is cheaper. Literally, cameras aren't as expensive than they used to be.
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So there's just so much opportunity if you're willing to take an outside approach
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and you can have a passionate story.
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True. sure and and and i think i think
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too mate that is if if it's if it
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works well like the protecting yeah you're not really interested in how much
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this cost it's just it you know the story and the the story and the action and
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the you know the subtext sweeps you along and you're you're taken you know i
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think i think that if if a movie doesn't work and you start picking apart well well,
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geez, the curtains in the background could have been better and is that an Ikea
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chair and all that sort of stuff.
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You know, if it's not, if the characters in the story aren't working and people
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are picking on the stuff in the background or the fact that it looks cheaper
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than, you know, your average Hollywood blockbuster,
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I mean, that's, you know.
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I guess that's part of my point, though, is like
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how there does seem to be this like disconnect that
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we're still working through in the new paradigm of like it
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doesn't i can't tell you how many people told me one the movie was
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impossible but to the cheapest you could literally the
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cheapest budget i had working for this budget before we
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for this film before we went out to make it was 2.7 million
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wow and we literally that was the cheapest we
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could make it for even cutting it down as
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much as was possible wow and then i was like well
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we have 350 000 or whatever it was let's go
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so it's like we're just gonna full
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send and and i think what was amazing about it was when
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we needed wind the earth picked up wind
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when we needed a cloud to come over and
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help with you know the the ugly sun it
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arrived like there were so many opportunities where in
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like your question in regard to like the world building the like I truly believe
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that like Pachamama like Mother Earth was like however ridiculous it sounds
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she was like behind the story because it was in like her honor you know and
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I think there are so many times that it showed up.
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In magical, serendipitous ways to support. Every time we needed a dust storm.
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When the wind blows hard and its toys are gray, ducks fly together.
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Sorry, Marguerite. I'm just dropping all this Mighty Duck stuff all over the
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place. Hey, man, I can hold that for you. It is okay.
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Not a problem. I got great love for that. It's cool.
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Yeah. Another cool thing in this movie you get to do
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is drive the coolest car in the movie i love this the
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vehicle the dirt is one of the big reasons i said yes in
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the opposite way you cannot get past the
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cars in these movies mate it tell
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us about the the vehicle is it was it fully functional
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or is it that's a
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good idea somewhat every once what
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do you guys have to say about this i got a lot to say about this but everyone's
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the one who had to drive it and like get stuck in it
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continually yeah it's i think sometimes it was
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fully working right matt go ahead yeah i just
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remember uh having to move it from one location to
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the other and it was definitely lay on the gas turn the key on put it into the
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drive and hopefully it'll go and not stop turn the key and pray hey i think
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the handle broke on day one as well The handle broke on the door day one. Yeah.
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And Marguerite is very brave because the thing is so tight inside.
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It's been so cut down that there's literally just like.
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Sharp edges everywhere that obviously we'd like protected her
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from but it as much as we could but like
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that thing was not only a rust bucket it's a
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64 buick riviera that had been completely modded
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out with suicide doors and you know there's a
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lot of actually airbag suspension in there that we took out which
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is cool where it like lowers down but we it actually
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got caught down at one point and then we were like oh we can't like the
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whole engine's on the ground wow it was
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a disaster to be on it was a total disaster but
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every time it needed to run we got i love driving
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it kent i loved it when he first told me about
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the movie and showed me that car i was like oh you mean business
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this is a real movie with this car and
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i did get to drive it a ton forward and backward at very fast speed it was very
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fun how fast did you get out to it god i mean i was never going on like an open
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road so who knows you know what i mean it was always like actually more trying
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to like peel out for the camera and stuff like that fun things like that which had no shock well.
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Yeah you did that really well imagine a rough
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rod without shockies yeah it was so
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fun i loved it super rough but i did love marguerite every
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time we were in there i was like she like you would just gun
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it and like tear out like dust flying everywhere i was like oh
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my god is she gonna be okay with like a stunt every time i mean i know it quite
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literally is but i was like oh god is she okay totally am i'm a cali girl and
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definitely we're all about the cars it's car culture i was stoked on that yeah
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that's awesome so question for everyone how cool is kicking bird in real life,
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who's kicking bird graham grain oh yeah
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kicking bird what's kicking bird from dances with wolves
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man exactly oh god kicking bird um dude good call so rad he's so rad he's so
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rad yeah i will he showed up on set and i was like so do you want to rehearse
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this we had three days with him he did us a total solid came in last minute
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we was supposed to be west studie west studie kind of,
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10x yeah yeah no i i again
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for dances with wolves yeah sorry oh yeah yeah but i
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think graham was the right choice and and
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not only showed up with the right mindset but really cared
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about the movie and the subject of the film which is why i took it on and.
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He he literally signed on about a week before we got started
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and showed up and i was like so do you want to rehearse something he's
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like rehearsals for like fake actors and
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old people or something i was like okay cool do you are.
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There any lines you have a trouble with or like you're not in
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agreement like i want to make sure we're culturally you know aware he's.
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Like you wrote a bunch of shit i'm not gonna say it and i was.
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Like well what do you want to tell me what
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or like we could rewrite he's like i got my own lines just you
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know fuck off kind of but the camera was always very
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always very respectful always very like professional
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but i just loved his like candor and
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demeanor it was like he was so great to work with
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and and we had him out in those 60 mile
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an hour winds we had him actually like and he
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didn't want to go inside or make it soft on himself he was like no
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this is part of the role like i need to feel it i'm going to be out here
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holding my gun in the in the storm and
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and i thought he and marguerite together really brought that
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the end of the film to life i love all their scenes yeah it
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was great to work with him he hung well and was like
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an old grandpa in between which was great he'll kill
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me for saying that but no
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seriously like you could you could have someone he just
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knew the situation and like
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you said was game rather than i don't
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know i don't know you know i've definitely worked with some veteran
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actors who get to set and they have young
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filmmakers who they bust through
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all the overtime on the first day because he wants
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to get to set and have a burrito and then just chill and like we're all sitting
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there being like you're an icon but hurry the fuck up oh my god you're killing
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us on day one and Graham Greene was not that at all so you know you can get
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there's all kinds I come to the set and have a burrito.
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My favorite thing about that no names but were they really famous,
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I have a great story about Graham I was driving him back and we're on like an
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hour trip through the desert I was bringing him back to his hotel room and we're
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just kind of small talk trying to feel it out and he's like hey you want to hear one of my rap songs,
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and he has a whole rap album just music that he made during the pandemic and it's absolutely epic.
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Hilarious very different than anything that I thought that I would ever hear from Graham,
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and then I was like I wrote a song one time do
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you want to hear it and I played the song and I was like yeah so
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what do you think and he's just like silent and
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I was just like all right well we're almost at your hotel
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people did a
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lot of stuff during the pandemic if they weren't writing
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memoirs there you go really you're writing a releasing a
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rap album why not yeah it's pretty
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killer idle hands are known to be the devil's workshop but
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ladies and gentlemen this is a fantastic film
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the protector the review which will be in the
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description already up on film threat this is
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a fantastic post-apocalyptic action adventure
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that ticks all the right
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boxes that references all the greats that has a really powerful message dynamic
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action and world building which i hope fingers crossed will continue i heard
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the word heard the word trilogy there always like the sound of trilogy franchise is the word in hollywood.
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So yeah if there's more dirt jousting
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and high octane thrills raul and
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company mate i'm on board I'll be
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the first thank you thank you so much for having us Ken really
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appreciate it Ken it's fantastic to have you
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all this is a fantastic film check the links in the description ladies and gentlemen
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links to the film the film is now out yeah out now on yeah Apple and Amazon
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and a few others I don't know if it's in Oz yet but no I don't think it's playing
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down under it's definitely definitely North America are we joining physical
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media release too on this one,
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guys physical media DVD Blu-ray I don't know yet That's kind of a TBD We'll
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see I don't know Yeah Yeah because like Do you have any cool Like extra features
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Like behind the scenes stuff And,
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Oh yeah Oh my god We probably cut half an hour From the film too There's a lot there For sure,
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Commentaries Yeah That's where Behind the scenes War stories Yeah Exactly,
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Yeah, somehow we made it. We made it out alive. Yeah.
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It's, yeah, you've just got to band together. And when everyone says it can't
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be done, these ducks fly together.
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But, sorry, that's the last one you just referenced for the show.
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You have to do one for each of the movies in the trilogy. So I think it's important.
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It makes it complete. I know, yeah.
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We had to go there. I had to go there.
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Anytime. We'll have to make it another trilogy or franchise now, Marguerite.
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We're going to have to have flashbacks to your rise as the Dirt Jousters hero.
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Marguerite, the next one could be a prequel where she trains a bunch of young,
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haphazard Dirt Jousters.
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Take on the big city Dirt Jousters. I love it. I love it. I love it. The mighty Jousters.
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The Marvel Cinematic Universe. This is the same universe.
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She could be like the good Bombay of the Wasteland. I love these.
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I love it. I'm writing them all down. I'm writing them all down.
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These are great pitches.
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I love it. Yeah, Hollywood, here we come.
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That's right. The Protector, Raul, Marguerite, Matt.
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Awesome trio. Awesome film. Check out all of the good stuff in the description, all the links.
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Check out my review for the film on FilmThreat.com.
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Link will be there. link to the trailer see this
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movie folks kinetic unexpectedly emotional
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most assuredly awesome this
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is cat hill telling you check the links in the description and then get out
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and see the protector and as always my little eugenites thank you for listening
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to us on spotify or wherever you choose to listen to your favorite podcasts
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i'm cat hill and until next time you've been listening to cinema.
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