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E11: Personality Types with Simone Rizkallah · The Lila Rose Show

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  Hey everybody, it's Lila. Welcome to the Lila Rose show.
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  We've got a special treat today. So today's guest on for today.
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  I hope you enjoy because I really enjoy this person.
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  Her name is Simone and Rixala, am I pronouncing your name?
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  I can't even pronounce my dear friend Simone and I can't still
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  can't pronounce her last name because you're Armenian.
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  Yes, that's that's a really bad excuse that makes me just sound.
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  Very no. It's a tough one, Riskala.
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  Riskala. It's actually an Egyptian last
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  name. You go by Miss Rizz.
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  By Miss you've. Worked So Simone's done a lot of
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  really interesting things in her life right now.
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  She is the director of programs for Endow, which is a really
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  cool Catholic women's organization.
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  So if you're a Catholic woman and you're interested in growing
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  in your faith in Dash, check out Simone's work at Endow.
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  But before that she was theology department chair at a high
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  school teachers and a lot of theology teaching.
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  I met you how long ago? Seven years ago.
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  Seven years ago in DC. In DC, Simone was like one of my
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  first DC friends when I moved there.
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  Yeah, California girls find each other.
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  Yes. Yeah, exactly.
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  No, it's true. It's actually very true.
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  And I was lonely and cold. I was like leaving California
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  and the warmth and beauty. And then I met Simone.
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  I'm like this beautiful Californian but also a median
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  girl. And I thought you were Middle
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  Eastern. You did I.
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  Connected over that, yes. Because you look Middle Eastern
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  to me. Yes, well.
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  Italian is. There are a lot of Middle
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  Easterns that ended up in Sicily.
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  Middle Easterns? Middle Easterners.
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  Oh, it's true, Sicilians. Moroccans ended up in Italy,
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  Yeah, although Moroccans are more N Africans but true still
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  you're Mediterranean like Mediterranean.
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  Yes, yes, my mother found out. Actually, she did her DNA test
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  and she found out. She's part Jewish.
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  Ohh me too, I found that out too.
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  Really. How much?
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  2%, not too much, but it's in there.
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  Worth noting what? Interestingly it's Ashkenazi,
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  which is the Ashkenazi. Ashkenazi Jewish, which is the
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  European Jew I think, not the Middle Eastern Jew.
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  So that's all fascinating. I wonder where exactly?
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  Because how much of you were did it actually say you were
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  Armenian in the test? Yes, like how much 40%?
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  Only 40? Only 40?
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  What? Was the rest.
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  The other is Syria and Iraqi. So Iraqi, so beautiful.
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  I do think you, you and your type of women are some of the
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  most beautiful in the world. It's just very beautiful.
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  So, friend, yes, well, we tell each other we're beautiful.
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  That's mutual admiration society.
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  Exactly. But the other thing Simone and I
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  bonded over was our shared, let's say, temperament.
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  Personality. Personality and we thought it
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  would be fun today. There's so many.
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  There's a lot to lot in this, but you guys all know about
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  personality types. Who is listening?
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  There's any people might know like Myers?
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  Briggs, The four temperaments. The four temperaments, those are
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  my favorites. There's Enneagram which?
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  I don't want to be enneagram, I want.
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  We'll talk about that. The Big 5 basically like.
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  It's the big 5. I never heard of that that.
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  Well, it's like the it's the five.
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  It's ocean, ocean openness, extroversion.
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  Oh, I see. Yeah, we can talk about that.
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  Yeah. It's it's a tool that some
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  companies. Use and yeah, you can teach me
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  about that 'cause I don't know that and I'm obsessed with this
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  you. Are obsessed, which is one of
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  the things I think we bonded over, is our obsession to
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  understand ourselves, Yes, and the world around us.
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  Yes, have you read the ENFP? Survival guide?
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  No. Is that AI?
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  Is that an online blog or is that a book?
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  It's a book. I thought it as an e-book in
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  Reddit and it was life changing because I thought, Oh, my
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  personality quirks were just so nuanced.
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  And unique to me, but there's like a whole book, top
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  psychology book. Exactly.
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  Some people listen to this are cringing right now.
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  I know there's so many. Haters, but there's some
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  legitimate my, my husband, for example, Joe, he does not like
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  putting people in boxes. He's like these things, you put
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  them in boxes. Well, you know what?
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  I find that more with men. Do you think men are more on the
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  hater end that is? Actually, probably true.
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  I think there's there's some of that, but it's also people
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  starting personalities don't like personality types.
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  I just more encounter it with men.
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  But you know, it's, I don't think it's putting it in a box.
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  I just think it's a starting point for understanding.
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  There's truth to that. So you've done a ton of like
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  theology, obviously study, you've taught theology, you've
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  worked with a ton of kids, all different ages, but mostly
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  teenagers, right? Mostly 1718 year olds.
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  And you are your speaker, your writer, you do all kinds of
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  stuff. And a lot of it's on theology.
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  So who God is, but it's also who man is before God.
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  That's right. First of all, I, I do want to
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  like go through because I think today's culture is obsessed with
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  kind of understanding our type even or even like the
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  horoscopes, right, or like the, the scientists.
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  Really want to know who we are? Yeah.
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  We want to know who we are. We want to know who we are.
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  OK, so tell me, why do we want to know who we are so much as
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  humans? Well.
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  I mean, I think that's that's human nature is to understand
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  our place in history is to understand who we are
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  fundamentally. And I think related to that is,
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  am I OK? Is that question, am I OK
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  because I can look around me and see OP, Oh, you know, all these
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  people and wonder, is there something fundamentally wrong
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  with me? You know, am I, am I wrong?
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  Am I accepted? Am I loved?
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  Am I alone? Is there anyone else out there
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  that's weird to me, you know, weird like me?
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  Am I the only one? We want to belong.
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  We have a deep, a deep desire to belong.
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  I actually think that's the deepest desires to belong.
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  Even more than you think. Like our purpose is to belong.
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  Like, because people say, well, what is our purpose as humans?
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  Right? But it's the purpose is
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  basically belonging, like love being being loved and loving.
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  Yeah, right. Right.
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  Well, I mean, I just don't think you can know your purpose unless
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  you know like, who you are, who you are.
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  Yeah, right. Who's you are?
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  Too And who's you who you belong to Yeah yeah, that's I think C1
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  vile like I don't know if I'm pronouncing her name right said
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  that the one of the most fundamentally I can't remember a
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  quote ignored needs is that need to belong to be rooted.
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  And it's very fundamental because we all start our life
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  belonging, or we should. It's healthy, like attachment.
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  That's right. And, and, and Adam and Eve in
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  the garden, they started their life belonging.
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  They were God's first, you know, made in his image, His first son
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  and daughter, you know exactly. Actually that's another one of
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  my obsessions is the attachment. This is more on the psychology,
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  but the I love attachment theory stuff that opened up my whole
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  world. The avoidant attachment style
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  did. You read that book?
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  I did. What's it called?
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  That famous book on that? Oh, a girlfriend was just
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  telling me all about that and how big of a revelation it.
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  Was it was for me too. It really opened up a whole
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  world for me. What is the book called
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  Attachment style? Why you think, behave and act
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  like you do something like that? But yeah, avoid an attachment,
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  disorganized attachment and meshed attachment.
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  I think that is a must read for people who really want to
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  because you know a lot most people have some sort of
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  attachment injury. And that's original sin, right?
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  I mean look, we are all born into an imperfect world as
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  imperfect people to imperfect parents or parent.
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  Or whatever exactly. And there's beauty and goodness
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  everywhere. But there is also woundedness,
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  sin. That's right.
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  I mean, you could say after the fall there's attachment, major
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  attachment injury. Yeah, but some more than, I
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  mean, we're literally separated from God by our sin.
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  Yeah. So that's separations between
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  US. And so that's right.
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  Oh, that's so much good stuff there.
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  And it affects our relationships, obviously.
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  Yeah. And I think.
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  Understand, like Romain, I mean, how we were raised as children
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  and our relationship with their father or mother, even siblings,
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  whatever caretakers, whatever you want to call it is also how
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  we learn to relate and even in future and whether we can bond
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  in our relationships. Good stuff.
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  There's a lot of important stuff.
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  All right, So in the world of self knowledge or the world of
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  trying to understand ourselves, there's all these popular tests
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  or little tricks like, yes, you know which I probably Google
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  mall. Yeah, I know.
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  Which I've also find fascinating.
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  And so we both learned we are both ENFPS, according to Myers
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  Briggs. Yes, that's right.
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  I think you're more than more of an E than me.
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  I think that's true too, although ENFPS I discovered are
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  the most introverted of the extroverts so I guess that
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  helped explain my introverted side.
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  I mean, no, extroverts tend to want to be introverted because
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  it seems like if you're introverted you're more deep
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  and. Thoughtful and reflective, but.
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  Actually, I don't know if that's.
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  We can't help it as ENFPS, we're always we're always
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  introspecting. Yes, that's right.
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  So first of all, some people are listening to this and they're
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  either like starting to zone out because they're like, I, I don't
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  like this ENF PGA D stuff give. It a chance.
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  Or give it a chance. Or they're like, what is Myers
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  Briggs? What are they talking about?
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  So let's just do this breakdown. So Myers Briggs is a tool that
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  was developed, what, 30-40, fifty years ago?
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  I'm not exactly sure, but that sounds about.
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  Right. And they by some guys now, they
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  weren't, I don't think they were clinical psychiatrists.
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  These names were not. These are women, I believe.
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  I think it was women. That's.
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  But they didn't have a clinical background, I don't think.
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  So there is some there. There's a criticism of Myers
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  Briggs. So this is basically 16
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  personality types to basically group.
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  Now, there's not saying that you'd perfectly fit into anyone
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  type. They say people tend to fit into
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  these general personality types. There's sixteen of them and
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  there's two alternating letters for each of the four right
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  letters. But we all have 4 letters and
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  there's two options per letter. So there's sixteen types
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  exactly. And basically it's introvert
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  versus extrovert. So some people confuse what that
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  means. What does it mean?
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  With an introvert, you get your energy from being.
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  Where you get your energy. Yeah, where you get your energy?
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  Introverts get their energy from being alone.
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  They need to be. Now extroverts hear that and
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  say, well, I need to be alone. Well, sure, everybody needs to
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  be alone and everybody needs to be with people.
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  But primarily, do you get your energy from being alone or from
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  you energized from people? Right, and some people, they
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  need their alone time more as a source of their energy period.
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  Like being with people exhausts them.
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  Like my dad, for example, like if he's with people too much,
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  he's like, I can't I gotta go like, you know, and everybody
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  can have overly, but there's some people that they get back
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  from a party and they're like, woohoo, like I'm so excited
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  because I just. I'm wired and I need to, yeah.
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  I mean, we're 280 PS and we've been together all day and we're,
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  we feel very productive. Yeah.
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  Yeah, we feel good. Simone came over to work today
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  and it was kind of a work from home day and I was like, I love
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  having. We need another person.
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  Here you're brand new to LA, which is so I'm so glad.
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  So we both were in LA, then we moved to DC, then Simone was in
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  Arizona, I was kind of Oliver, and then now we're both back in
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  LA. So we're so happy.
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  But anyway, so it's E is extroverted versus introverted
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  and you can be, it's a slide. These are all sliding scales,
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  obviously. And again, this is not to say
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  people perfectly fit into these boxes because this is just a
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  tool to interpret and understand what kind of you're naturally
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  oriented towards. But this is not saying that
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  anybody's absolutely one thing and you can't change blah blah
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  blah, right? Exactly.
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  All right. So it's E versus I, extroverted
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  versus introverted. The second one is sensor sensing
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  versus intuitive, right? Exactly.
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  Yes, versus N. So what is that?
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  This is, I think, one of the more difficult ones to
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  understand, even for me that is obsessed with the Myers Briggs,
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  but with the intuitive you. This drives my sister crazy, by
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  the way, because actually, my sister.
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  She's an S, right? She's an S and we're the exact
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  opposite Myers Briggs personality type.
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  She's a funny ISTJ and I'm an ENFP so.
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  Irritated together and we lived. Together.
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  For six years. Those are so cute together.
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  We look alike, but our personalities are exactly the
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  opposite. Funny, but she gets irritated
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  because she doesn't understand how I can intuit so well because
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  I haven't I haven't backed it up with data.
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  Whereas for a sensor type person, they need kind of the
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  observable sensory data to back up their conclusions.
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  Whereas an whereas an intuitor can can kind of in their head
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  and in their heart into it. What is truth?
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  So basically like if you're an S versus an N in the Myers Briggs,
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  and as more pays attention to just sort of like the physical
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  reality, exactly like they they notice that someone looks sad.
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  Yes. And so they're like, they might
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  be sad, but the intuitive person, they're more feeling
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  paying attention to the impressions to be on in Full
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  disclosure. Right now I'm reading off of the
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  Meyer Spring store org website to use their exact language, but
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  paying attention most to impressions or the meaning or
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  patterns of the information they get.
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  So you're you're you're interpreting it as it comes in
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  intuitively as opposed to looking at more almost like a
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  scientist or an empiricist. Exactly.
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  This is the data I'm collecting. That's right.
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  And so that's very for, for an intuitor, the data is it's, it's
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  helpful to back up, but your intuition is not infallible, but
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  can most likely hit the nail on the head, especially if you're a
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  well formed intuitor. So, for example, just like a
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  life hack, my watch broke last week and I know a very strong S
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  and I know I'm not going to take it to an ENFP or any, any
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  intuitor. I'm going to take my broken.
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  Watch judging people based on their Myers I.
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  Am so I took it to my friend and I said hey could you fix my
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  watch? They're an S.
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  Because they're an S and a very strong ass.
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  I mean they. Meaning they pay attention to
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  the details of reality and they can piece it together or or take
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  it apart. Yes, they know how things.
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  They're really good at learning how things work in a concrete
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  way as opposed to intuitively. They just kind of yes, they pay
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  attention. And they tend to do more manual
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  labor, physical things with their hands because they can
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  kind of figure it out. It's more where their world is.
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  Whereas for the intuitive, the their world's in their head.
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  So I took my watch in in a second.
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  He. He.
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  He wait, actually, he wasn't like a watchmaker.
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  No, he's not. He's not a friend.
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  He's just a friend. He's not a watchmaker.
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  He pulled. I thought he was going to like,
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  I don't know, pull out some special tool or something.
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  He decided, oh, do you have a wine bottle opener?
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  I said sure and he took it and fixed my watch from a wine
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  bottle opener. Nice.
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  So that's a very stereotypical. I just have a handy friend like
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  that. Yeah, yeah, it was great.
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  So that's good life hack. That's life hack.
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  Have a friend who's an S that uses your style to fix your got
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  it. That is very applicable.
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  I'm sure to everyone listening. People who hate Myers Briggs are
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  listening. They're like, I just take my
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  watch into a watch store. Like I'm gonna go find my S
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  friend and like anyways, it worked for Simone.
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  There's other watch. Tours out there?
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  All right. So then there's the E versus the
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  I, the S versus the N and then there's the F So feelers versus
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  thinkers, F versus T for the third letter in the four letters
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  of the marriage. Breaks.
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  Yes, and this type 10, I noticed in conversation tends to upset
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  people too, because the thinkers get, well, everybody wants to be
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  a thinker because it just sounds better to be a thing.
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  Well, but I'm a thinker that nobody wants to think.
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  I mean, in the conversations I've had that that, you know,
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  feeler just seems kind of flaky, like feeling feelings are flaky.
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  My students say, right, furniture or something.
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  Yeah, but of course, thinkers feel.
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  And, of course, fears. Think.
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  But do you primarily make decisions from your thoughts or
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  from your feelings for for us, for Efps, it has to feel right
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  in order to proceed. Right.
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  And that's not to say you can't mature.
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  And still obviously, like when I make decisions, I do pay
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  attention to my feelings because we should and we use them as a,
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  as a, you know, guidepost to understand and, and, and to
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  question why do I feel a certain way?
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  Because sometimes you can feel a way and that doesn't mean you
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  shouldn't or should do something and actually means go the other
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  direction depending on who it is.
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  But so it's basically how we naturally evaluate decision
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  making. It's more like people.
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  Some people are more comfortable naturally making a decision from
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  like a thought process, and other people are more
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  comfortable naturally making a decision from based on their
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  feelings. Yeah, the the the tea the tea
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  person has the thinker doesn't need, doesn't need their
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  reasonable judgment to so much jive with their feelings the way
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  that an F does. Interesting.
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  Yeah, but naturally again, naturally again, you mature,
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  then you kind of, you know. Yeah.
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  And, and if you're, if you're a ethical, you know, moral person,
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  of course within the realm of reason, you're going to seek out
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  the solution that feels more correspondent.
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  So we're both FS, so how are we feeling right now?
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  Should we keep talking about Myers Briggs?
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  Sure. Well, we can move.
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  Well, we have to. Get to that.
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  I'm going to finish. It so it's F versus T and then
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  the last letter is P versus J. So perceiving versus judging is
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  what those those words are for P versus J for the last of the
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  Myers Briggs and what is P versus J?
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  Well, good question, but I again, I think these are kind of
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  hard categories unless you're a true, true expert.
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  But I would say that the person who is AJ you can kind of, you
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  know, as an ENFPM intuiting. So I can I actually have a 99%.
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  I can guess your marriage, Briggs.
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  You mean out of 100 people you talked to, you guessed 99% of
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  them? Yeah, my rate's probably 90%,
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  but I also am really good at guessing people's.
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  Yeah, I can't, you know. For this must be an ENFP.
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  Trait. I think it's an intuitive trait.
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  Because I know. Yeah.
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  Another friend who's famous in the pet in the business and the
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  Myers Briggs world is Pat Lencioni of Table Group.
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  He uses this in business. Oh, right.
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  And he's ENFP like us. Yeah.
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  And he's brilliant at using Myers Briggs to like, put people
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  in boxes. I mean, because if you're high.
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  Not really paying people in boxes, but you know to.
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  Yeah, if you're hiring for your company, you want to have a kind
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  of a balance of different personality or some jobs are
• 17:51
  more suited towards an ENF. You're even if he's going to
• 17:54
  want to be creative, not going to be want to be boxed in want
• 17:57
  to be an idea person, you know innovative, whereas an ISTJ is
• 18:02
  going to be the one you want for your.
• 18:04
  Office manager, they're they're best suited, so judging versus
• 18:07
  perceiving. People who are typically Jays
• 18:10
  are more naturally. They approach life in a more
• 18:12
  structured way, so they like having schedules.
• 18:15
  They like knowing what they're going to do when they wake up.
• 18:18
  They don't like it when there's a big block of unplanned time.
• 18:21
  They prefer having structure and people who are peas more
• 18:24
  naturally. Spontaneity.
• 18:26
  They love spontaneity. They're the person like, hey,
• 18:28
  you want to go do this right now?
• 18:29
  And the other person's like who's AJ?
• 18:30
  They're like, oh, I that wasn't what I was planning to do, Like,
• 18:32
  yeah, whatever. So again, this is all as a
• 18:36
  sliding scale, but the Jays are really good.
• 18:40
  That doesn't mean peas can't be good planners or Jays can't be
• 18:43
  spontaneous. But naturally Jays are more into
• 18:47
  structure and organization and and.
• 18:49
  What do you prefer? What do you enjoy?
• 18:51
  What do you enjoy? I love spontaneity.
• 18:53
  I love surprises. I love my plans being changed.
• 18:55
  Whereas if I change the plans on my sister, who's just such a
• 18:59
  Jay. Yeah, she it just upset.
• 19:01
  It's upset. Yeah, I had a really amazing and
• 19:04
  dear friend roommate in college who was very Jay and I'm fairly
• 19:07
  pee and that was our one source of conflict was really she was
• 19:11
  making sure that I was on time to, you know, a planned
• 19:15
  activities or if I had hey, but we changed the plan.
• 19:17
  Let's do something different. It's like there was there was
• 19:20
  joy for her in having a plan and sticking to it, and there was
• 19:23
  joy for me in either not having a plan or having a plan and not
• 19:27
  doing. It and not doing the.
• 19:29
  Like that was actually fun for me.
• 19:30
  It's like, let's plan to do the how about we do this totally
• 19:33
  different thing? Like that actually was more fun.
• 19:35
  Fun right? But that I I cuz you know you,
• 19:38
  you tend to view the world the way that your nature is built.
• 19:41
  And so for a long time I just didn't understand how much that
• 19:44
  would mess some of my friends. But this is.
• 19:48
  Maturity, more fun, right? And then maturity is, again,
• 19:51
  this is a tool. I think it's just a tool that
• 19:53
  can be used to help us mature because the more we understand
• 19:56
  how we're naturally bent. It's a starting point.
• 19:58
  It's a starting. Point exactly.
• 20:00
  And the end point, I mean the end point I think of of life
• 20:03
  should be and, and, and eternity is we want to be perfect.
• 20:06
  I mean, God wants us to be perfected right in in eternity.
• 20:09
  So you balance out you, you even out you but.
• 20:13
  So these are tools. So if you're listening and
• 20:14
  you're a Myers Briggs lover, maybe you're like, this is what
• 20:18
  I I mean, what are you actually send me an e-mail.
• 20:20
  I want to know what? Yeah, all.
• 20:22
  The that they're like, we're already obsessed with the Mars
• 20:24
  brace. Thoughts@lilaroseshow.com or
• 20:27
  message me on Instagram. Simones also on Instagram.
• 20:30
  Cultural Gypsy, of course, it's so ENFP of you.
• 20:33
  Cultural Gypsy. I love that totally.
• 20:35
  But let us know what you are if you're an ENFP or whatever.
• 20:38
  I I love. I mean, all the temperaments are
• 20:40
  so awesome or all the Myers Briggs.
• 20:41
  But I do want to talk about two other ways.
• 20:45
  The final thing I want to just say in Myers Briggs, I don't
• 20:47
  know if you would agree with this, is that I think that it
• 20:49
  actually is very useful. I've seen it useful in business,
• 20:53
  actually. We use it at live action.
• 20:54
  It's really useful not to put people in boxes, but to help be
• 20:57
  a tool to understand how people's natural bents are.
• 21:00
  Again, there's beyond Myers. So you can be, yeah, you can be
• 21:03
  anybody you want to be as far as like grow in virtues, like
• 21:07
  strive to, you know, shape your personality and refine it so you
• 21:10
  can become more mature, whatever.
• 21:13
  But it's a really useful tool. And yeah, in business and and
• 21:17
  and in friendship. I agree.
• 21:19
  So. I like to know, I mean, it can
• 21:21
  be kind of tough for it to be the first thing that you say to
• 21:24
  someone, but I kind of want to know what your Myers Briggs is,
• 21:28
  especially if I'm going to work with you just so that I can
• 21:30
  understand. Are you?
• 21:32
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 21:33
  No, it's going to, you know, it's another kind of funny life
• 21:36
  hack. This is also quirky.
• 21:37
  But, you know, my sister, knowing that I'm more
• 21:40
  spontaneous than nature kind of would surprise me.
• 21:43
  She she you know, she'd have a guest over at our house and you
• 21:46
  know, we had her rules roommates and we just kind of, you know,
• 21:49
  just inform the other one someones coming over.
• 21:51
  But she would sometimes just surprise me and go, Oh we're
• 21:54
  babysitting our friends get. To show you love.
• 21:57
  And yeah, just for it to be spontaneous.
• 21:59
  Spontaneous for me, yeah. So it's a great way to yeah, it
• 22:03
  works with a relationship. Yeah, no, actually that's
• 22:05
  interesting because my husband, he knows that I like, he knows I
• 22:08
  like certain kinds of surprises, but he knows that I also just
• 22:11
  like spontaneity. And so and he likes it too,
• 22:13
  which is good. Like I don't know if he likes
• 22:15
  it. He likes it as much as me and
• 22:16
  maybe different ways, but the point is like he is like, let's
• 22:20
  go hiking if there's time, let's go do whatever.
• 22:22
  Myers Briggs. So it's so funny if he was, I
• 22:25
  mean, he's going to listen to this eventually of like, I don't
• 22:28
  have a Myers Briggs and I know I'm it's actually really hard
• 22:31
  for me to type my husband when he takes it, He Joe gets
• 22:35
  different answers, which there's some people, there's a small
• 22:38
  percentage of the population. They're very serious.
• 22:42
  And I chalk it up too because he's just so Dang mature and
• 22:46
  virtuous. Yeah, I'm obviously a big fan of
• 22:49
  my husband. So it's hard to like he's not
• 22:52
  like 1 extreme or the other, but he has really beautiful like
• 22:55
  spontaneity, but he's also really good at planning.
• 22:56
  So it's just hard to, you know, he loves being with people, but
• 22:59
  he's good, good on his own too. So yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it is.
• 23:04
  If I had to really, I mean, maybe ESTJ, but again, every
• 23:08
  letter he's it's pretty even keel.
• 23:11
  So it's. Good.
• 23:11
  Yeah, it's good. Good balance.
• 23:13
  Yeah, good balance. We're going to find you a man,
• 23:15
  Simone. Simone single.
• 23:16
  By the way, if you're listening, terrible.
• 23:19
  I'm sorry. I'm like marketing you.
• 23:21
  I've got my beautiful friend in the angelic Gosh.
• 23:24
  Anyway. And what was the ideal
• 23:27
  personality type for you? No, all your stuff.
• 23:29
  She's in the market. For a with the Myers Briggs, you
• 23:32
  do have your ideal. Of course you should be able to.
• 23:36
  To mature adults, two people who love each other can make it work
• 23:40
  if they share their values, I think.
• 23:41
  And they're committed to me. Yeah.
• 23:42
  Exactly. Period.
• 23:43
  Exactly. And your soulmate is the person
• 23:45
  you marry. That's true.
• 23:48
  That's I. Tolkien said that Yeah, I love
• 23:50
  reading that. OK, he said the the real, he
• 23:52
  said there's. What is this quotation?
• 23:54
  Are you a talking fan? Yeah, but obviously not as much
• 23:56
  as you, because you that was a Tolkien quote, I.
• 23:58
  Mean, yeah, I loved, I love, I love talking Lord of the Rings.
• 24:02
  But he, he, he said, you know, there's always somebody, this is
• 24:06
  a paraphrase around the corner that is more compatible, right?
• 24:09
  Right. But your real soul mate is the
• 24:12
  one you're married to when you're married.
• 24:13
  He was such a romantic. That's beautiful.
• 24:15
  Hey, there's a Tolkien movie out right now.
• 24:18
  I saw it. You did.
• 24:19
  Was it good? It was good, but I didn't go in
• 24:21
  expecting. You thought it was cheesy?
• 24:24
  No, I didn't. I didn't think it was cheap.
• 24:26
  I wasn't going in expecting the epic Tolkien film that I wish
• 24:30
  had been made. I went in just saying I like
• 24:32
  period dramas and I also like Tolkien.
• 24:34
  Got it. So I enjoyed it.
• 24:35
  But I had very. You know, I'll be honest, I was
• 24:37
  on an airplane and Tolkien was playing.
• 24:40
  It was one of the movies to off the offers or something.
• 24:43
  And I watched like a couple minutes of it and I turned it
• 24:45
  off because I was like, it's, it felt so sappy and.
• 24:48
  It's not a real. It's definitely not a must see.
• 24:50
  Yeah. You just have to be like.
• 24:52
  But I was judging it based on three minutes and I was also so
• 24:55
  on the planning other things. Yeah, okay.
• 24:57
  Anyways, so the other thing I wanted to just talk a little bit
• 25:01
  about is Enneagram. And do we like it better or
• 25:04
  worse than Myers Briggs? Is it bad?
• 25:06
  Some people say it's bad and even of the devil, I don't know
• 25:09
  if you've heard that. Yeah, it's very harmful.
• 25:11
  Other people say it's really good and on point.
• 25:14
  I'm sort of a little laissez faire about it.
• 25:15
  I think all of these can be tools.
• 25:17
  I don't find Enneagram particularly.
• 25:20
  I mean, I I found it very interesting.
• 25:22
  I think I find it fascinating, but I also think it's pretty
• 25:25
  incomplete, even more than Myers Briggs has been my experience
• 25:28
  with it. Yeah.
• 25:30
  I mean, I think if you know Myers Briggs or the the four
• 25:32
  temperaments, you're going to be dissatisfied with Enneagram.
• 25:35
  Interesting. I'm a Catholic, so I don't think
• 25:38
  the Enneagram is OK. So really.
• 25:43
  Tell me theology. Teachers, I mean, I should know
• 25:45
  more, but I, you know, I have to double check my sources, but I
• 25:48
  think there's a Vatican document that came out that.
• 25:51
  On enigram. That mentions it.
• 25:54
  Yeah, maybe I'm totally. We better double check this
• 25:57
  because. I got to double check it, but I
• 25:59
  think big statement. I know.
• 26:00
  So I I if I we're. In memory service, we're just
• 26:03
  going to say to any Gram lovers, if you're listening to this and
• 26:06
  you are a, I don't know, you're A7, I don't know what.
• 26:09
  I was going to say I think I was the seven back when I tried it.
• 26:12
  And I think I was the 9 is what I remember.
• 26:15
  What's your wing? Aren't there?
• 26:16
  Wings with, I don't know that I had a maybe I had a four wing 4.
• 26:20
  I don't remember. I barely remember.
• 26:21
  But I think anything, all things in life are tools.
• 26:25
  They can be used. Take it with a grain of salt.
• 26:27
  It's neither of our favorites. So I just want to talk about the
• 26:29
  temperaments. Now we can just move on.
• 26:31
  But if you're listening and you're offended because you love
• 26:33
  the Enneagram, you can send me a message and tell me why, because
• 26:36
  I want to learn more. Yeah, I have.
• 26:38
  I have done some research on it and I took the test.
• 26:41
  I think I had my husband take the test for fun and but I just,
• 26:45
  I think it's kind of core assumptions, I think.
• 26:48
  It's so broad. Well, I think the issue with
• 26:50
  enneagram that I struggled with it had these core assumptions
• 26:53
  about what orients us like fear of loss or, you know, desire for
• 26:57
  success. Like the it's sort of.
• 26:59
  So it's value. Based.
• 27:00
  Yeah, it assumed these core assumptions about how we're
• 27:02
  oriented as humans, like values we're oriented towards.
• 27:06
  And I don't know that I totally find that, you know, if you're a
• 27:10
  Christian listening, I don't know that that's really biblical
• 27:12
  or something that I find like a basis for theologically.
• 27:16
  Although I do think, you know, we do have each of us different
• 27:20
  tendencies that are negative or positive that maybe we're drawn
• 27:23
  to a little more than other. But I didn't find the kind of
• 27:26
  analysis that Enneagram provided as the right, you know, the
• 27:31
  right lens for that. So again, you're listening.
• 27:34
  This is so controversial for some people, but they're
• 27:36
  listening. They're like, not the Enneagram.
• 27:40
  That's my favorite. So tell me what you think.
• 27:42
  That's that. Lyla Rocher to come send me an
• 27:44
  e-mail. But temperaments, that's the one
• 27:46
  thing I wanted to end with, because temperaments I really
• 27:49
  like. It's very classical.
• 27:50
  It is and classical meaning it's.
• 27:52
  It's Aristotelian, I think. Aristotelian.
• 27:54
  So that's Aristotel. This has been around for ages,
• 27:58
  literally. And not just our society today
• 28:01
  has used this, but you know, ancient societies used it, and
• 28:05
  Thomas Aquinas also used it. Right?
• 28:07
  I didn't know that. Oh, am I making that up?
• 28:10
  I don't know. Oops.
• 28:12
  Oops. But certainly it's been used by
• 28:14
  some in church history, though, as a tool to better understand
• 28:19
  oneself, isn't that? True.
• 28:21
  Yeah, I think so, Teacher, I think so.
• 28:23
  We talk about the temperaments, not so much in theology class,
• 28:27
  but you know, with, you know, guidance with the students
• 28:31
  because many, many students who are going up to college are
• 28:34
  considering different careers. And it's very helpful.
• 28:37
  Probably if you're, if you have good self knowledge, you already
• 28:40
  kind of know the certain fields or career paths that you're
• 28:43
  interested in. But if you lack a little bit of
• 28:46
  self-awareness or you're just still on the on the less mature
• 28:50
  side, not in a bad way, but just you're an emotionally young 17
• 28:54
  or 18 year old, things like the temperaments can be really,
• 28:59
  really helpful in figuring out kind of where you should focus
• 29:02
  your. Studies so it looks like Saint
• 29:04
  Thomas Aquinas he's a great doctor of the church.
• 29:07
  He wrote the Summa Theologica, which by the way, if you're into
• 29:09
  theology, you should definitely check out Saint Thomas because
• 29:11
  in the history of Christianity, he did phenomenal things to help
• 29:15
  understand the Bible, Christianity, theology and then
• 29:19
  also understand it through the lens too of classical
• 29:22
  philosophy. So really this phenomenal
• 29:25
  teacher but he did it looks like he did write about temperament
• 29:28
  and spiritual directors. So spiritual directors in my
• 29:32
  life have been essential to grow in my faith.
• 29:34
  This is a tool that a lot of official directors use and, you
• 29:37
  know, different over the ages. And I think Myers Briggs, my
• 29:41
  understanding is a little bit born out of some of this
• 29:44
  temperament stuff. So the whole ENFP stuff we're
• 29:47
  talking about how some of it. It seems like the Myers Briggs,
• 29:51
  I mean, it's 16 different types, whereas temperaments are just
• 29:53
  four. So the four are broader, but
• 29:55
  this, you know, you're going to fit into more or less one or
• 30:00
  two. Everybody always has like a
• 30:01
  secondary typically of the temperaments.
• 30:04
  And I had a very good talk once. This is part of our professional
• 30:07
  development, one year at the high school that I taught at.
• 30:09
  Where what do each of the temperaments spiritually
• 30:12
  struggle with? Oh, I like.
• 30:14
  And how I thought, yeah, I'm. Struggling, but I like
• 30:17
  understanding when I start. And knowing kind of how to
• 30:20
  create a, a prayer plan that would be effective for your
• 30:23
  temperament. So, you know, I'm a sanguine, so
• 30:26
  I I bring in like 20 different books.
• 30:30
  And two, okay, so the four temperaments are?
• 30:33
  Yeah, so the two extroverted temperaments are sanguine and
• 30:36
  choleric, and then the two introverted ones are phlegmatic
• 30:38
  and melancholic. So choleric, sanguine, more
• 30:41
  extroverted, melancholic, phlegmatic, more introverted.
• 30:44
  What do these all mean? So choleric, what is?
• 30:48
  That's a very choleric thing to say.
• 30:50
  What does choleric mean? Yeah, I mean, I'm actually not,
• 30:53
  but I I put it on for work. Well, I think people become
• 30:57
  cholerics when they when they work and they're in, you know,
• 31:00
  very. Leadership boss.
• 31:02
  It's Choleric is the boss lady. It's the boss lady.
• 31:05
  It's the type A, it's the like I got, I'm on top of my stuff.
• 31:08
  It's like enjoy. They enjoy completing tasks,
• 31:11
  they enjoy successes. Exactly project.
• 31:14
  Orientation. Highly intellectual.
• 31:16
  To finish. Yeah.
• 31:18
  I mean, I don't think I'm a caller either, but I think I
• 31:20
  became one. People think I'm a caller IK.
• 31:22
  For a reason. Does it hurt your feelings when
• 31:24
  people think you're a caller IK? I don't know a little.
• 31:28
  It's kind of like a mixed mixed bag.
• 31:30
  A mixed bag because on the one hand, the high contextual as a
• 31:33
  comment, on the other hand, you're like, well, am I too 90?
• 31:36
  Yeah. Am I just?
• 31:38
  Ruthless, my ruthless as a choleric.
• 31:41
  By the way, none of these are inherently bad or good.
• 31:43
  They're all good. They're all there, they're all,
• 31:45
  they're all good. It's just a matter again of
• 31:47
  virtue and and growing and virtue in each thing.
• 31:49
  Yeah, the beautiful thing about the temperaments is that there
• 31:53
  and and the Myers brace too, is that their.
• 31:54
  Strengths and weaknesses with each of them, right.
• 31:57
  So exactly I've heard it said that there's, I think there was
• 32:00
  AI don't know if it was a theologian or it was a St. or
• 32:03
  someone who said that Jesus is the perfect.
• 32:06
  I mean, it makes sense. The perfect combination of the
• 32:08
  personality types and the temperaments.
• 32:10
  So he's, he's the perfect. I mean, he does make sense.
• 32:13
  Virtue embodies. Perfect in every way, perfect in
• 32:15
  personality, perfect in every way.
• 32:16
  That's right. OK, so choleric is that go
• 32:19
  getter type. The sanguine is the more.
• 32:21
  The social butterfly, The fun one.
• 32:25
  The life of the party of the Simone.
• 32:27
  Simone was the life of the party in DC.
• 32:29
  She'd always have parties at her apartment.
• 32:31
  It was good. And then I walked in and I felt
• 32:33
  the warmth of California again, shining before me.
• 32:37
  Sanguine. I love sanguines.
• 32:39
  Sanguines now. Their strength is their
• 32:42
  cheerfulness and their joy and their enthusiasm, positivity,
• 32:45
  positivity, their. Priciness, openness, very open
• 32:48
  to people, very relational. Want to want to include
• 32:52
  everybody and everything. Don't want anyone to be left
• 32:55
  out. Very Middle Eastern it's also.
• 32:56
  Very. It's also Middle Eastern.
• 32:58
  It's also very Latin. It's like true welcome comes
• 33:00
  true. I started an alternative drama
• 33:03
  club in my high school for all the kids that didn't get cast in
• 33:06
  shows because I just felt so bad, you know?
• 33:08
  We don't want anyone not invited.
• 33:10
  That's very sweet. Well, you're a Stinguin.
• 33:11
  Like I I have I have a a a good Stinguin streak, sure, but that
• 33:17
  Stinguin they're the the if you're not virtuous or you have
• 33:21
  like your your vices of Penguin can be what?
• 33:24
  Oh yeah, superficiality. Superficiality or over me overly
• 33:27
  concerned with feeling like really like all that how you've.
• 33:30
  Dominated by. Feeling dominated by your
• 33:32
  feeling. Yeah.
• 33:33
  OK, so choleric, sanguine, melancholic is another.
• 33:36
  One, the artistic, artistic, the brooder.
• 33:39
  The brooder, that's the negative aspect of it is you're rude and
• 33:42
  negative get, you know, more, you know, more temptation to be
• 33:46
  depressed. But the melancholic has that
• 33:49
  wound. I always say the melanchocus one
• 33:51
  that has a wound for beauty in a particular way.
• 33:54
  Yeah. Because they, they when they
• 33:57
  feel, they really feel with all of their heart, with the depth
• 34:00
  of their heart. And so yeah, the melancholic, I
• 34:04
  think Saint John the Cross is like the melancholic St. just a.
• 34:09
  Poet Bridge. Interior Life.
• 34:12
  And then the phlegmatic. Phlegmatic are, you know, those
• 34:16
  people that are just kind of quiet, easygoing types, They're
• 34:19
  just really pleasant to be around.
• 34:21
  Yeah, they're not particularly ambitious or intense, but
• 34:24
  they're just really like, they're enjoyable there, but
• 34:28
  they also don't need to be the life of the party.
• 34:29
  Yeah, they're peacemakers. Yeah, there's like peace, those
• 34:32
  pleasant peacemaker types. Like that's usually the
• 34:34
  phlegmatic, the true blue phlegmatic.
• 34:36
  So, so yeah, so I, I love this. I mean, I find it, it's very
• 34:42
  simple. Obviously choleric, St. good
• 34:43
  melancholic phlegmatic. But I will be admit, just like
• 34:48
  I've gone through phases where I'm like, what's your Myers
• 34:50
  Briggs? Or, you know, what's your, let
• 34:52
  me guess your Myers Briggs, which some people hate.
• 34:55
  In fact, it can be very offensive to some people when
• 34:57
  you you're like, let me guess, your Myers Briggs.
• 34:59
  They're like who? Are you?
• 35:00
  Why are you putting me? Into and the same as What
• 35:02
  temperament are you? Let me guess your temperament.
• 35:04
  But it can be a really useful tool for self knowledge.
• 35:07
  And there's actually these books.
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  Looks like I remember reading these books years ago.
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  But the temperament God gave you?
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  Yes, forget the author. Art and Lorraine Bennett.
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  Thank you. And also the temperament God
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  gave your spouse, right? And children.
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  God gave your children. Yeah, because the more you
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  understand their temperament and yours, it impacts love language,
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  it impacts communication, it impacts what the joy to do.
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  We don't have time to talk about the final.
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  Really. Unless people want to talk, Joe.
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  Maybe that'll be another word. Maybe that'll.
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  Be another one but a little new to the scenes but I.
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  Think they all, they all intersect, right?
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  The love languages, the Myers Briggs, the temperaments, all
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  those. They're all tools.
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  They're all good tools. So what are you?
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  What's your Myers Briggs or no? What's your temperament?
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  Sanguine and I like to think I'm a.
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  You're more than that, are you? Saying I like to think I'm a
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  sanguine melancholic, but they say or I think that's what.
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  I was when you first met me. Yeah, I mean, maybe we're just
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  deep. We're just.
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  Deep people no. That sounds.
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  So that sounds so Penguin. We're just so deep.
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  But I mean, I think it's yes, I think Art Lorraine Bennett say
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  that you can't be sanguine, melancholy, just like you can't
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  be choleric, phlegmatic. They're too opposed.
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  But I think you can. I think you can.
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  So anyhow, so we'll see. I'm not exactly for sure the
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  same. One, check out some of the you
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  guys can literally Google this stuff.
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  I mean, there's interesting stuff online, but the book the
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  temperament God gave you I think is a really a good read if
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  you're interested in the space of personal development and
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  understanding yourself and others.
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  I think that's a really because they reference a lot of
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  historical theological. Famous people in the world, who
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  are these temperaments and personality?
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  Just it's a thoughtful reason you have to agree with
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  everything, but I think it's a a really great.
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  Tool A really good tool is a personality hacker.
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  Their website. They have really good tools for
• 36:54
  the Myers Briggs. They also have a podcast that I
• 36:58
  promoting. Another.
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  Podcast I I think they're. Really great personality.
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  Hackers Podcast. Personality hackers, I think
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  they're very good with all this all.
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  All this stuff. So to wind this down, is there
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  any disadvantage or what are the disadvantages and the advantages
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  to paying attention to this stuff and learning more about
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  it? No, I think everything that you,
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  I just echo everything that you said about it being a tool.
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  You don't want to box yourself in your unique, unrepeatable
• 37:21
  human being. But but I think it's very
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  helpful, especially if you're, as I was just wondering, am I,
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  am I just this, you know, quirky and strange?
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  Actually, no. There's a whole book written
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  everything. About you Like I'm not alone.
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  There's other people out there like me.
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  It's, it is fascinating. I have a very super melancholic
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  friend who's interested and kind of also obsessive about this
• 37:45
  stuff. And I think he listened to a
• 37:47
  personality personality hacker podcast on the melancholic and
• 37:52
  they even said the melancholic might like, you know, these TV
• 37:56
  shows and lists and, and they were his favorite TV shows, so.
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  And this is radically different from like horoscopes, which I
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  think are just like they're they're they're pretending to be
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  mystical when there's no real God behind them.
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  I mean, yeah, there's no philosophy, right?
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  There's no philosophy, there's no psychology.
• 38:12
  So I think, yeah, there's elements of Myers brakes that
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  you say are pop psychology, but I think there's elements that
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  are real seeds of truth and that and I think you find them in the
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  temperaments. I think maybe it exists in
• 38:22
  Enneagram too. Although again I.
• 38:23
  Don't know we're going to double check we're.
• 38:25
  Kind of down on today, but but the point is there seeds of
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  truth that are that are just that are just signposts to
• 38:32
  better to observe and to see. Is this how is this relevant to
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  me? Can this teach me more about
• 38:37
  what I'm oriented towards so we can grow?
• 38:40
  I mean, it's like what energizes us naturally so we can
• 38:43
  understand that and and use that as a tool and what are
• 38:46
  challenges and what are areas, what are might be blind spots
• 38:48
  even. I think that's huge.
• 38:49
  Like, I think understanding, for example, for me, I was, I have
• 38:54
  always been really involved in and a lot of work stuff.
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  I mean, I started an organization as a teen.
• 38:59
  I've been just high, high, intense, high energy work
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  situations. Yeah.
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  Just lots of intensity, lots of responsibility, lots of like
• 39:07
  having eyeballs, you know, like, you know, looking at it and.
• 39:12
  And there were times when I'm like, why isn't this more fun or
• 39:15
  easy for me? Because it seemed to me that
• 39:17
  other people thrived in that environment like that high
• 39:20
  intensity, like they loved, like achieving things.
• 39:24
  And I love the, I love the causes and they the people I'm
• 39:27
  fighting for. But it's like some of the
• 39:29
  elements of the work were not, they were just very draining.
• 39:32
  And they seem to me that those same elements are actually
• 39:34
  really life giving for other people, right.
• 39:37
  And that was like, oh wow, I'm actually not by nature choleric
• 39:40
  like some people. They like like being the boss,
• 39:44
  like they they bring. Some some people have to do it.
• 39:46
  Other people just they thrive on it, right, right.
• 39:48
  And we do have this culture, I think of comparison.
• 39:51
  And you know, I think one of the things that these these tools
• 39:54
  can do is help you accept yourself as you were saying that
• 39:57
  I don't actually have to find enjoyment in certain things that
• 39:59
  other people. That's still that I admire.
• 40:01
  And I'm still going to do it because I'm not like, right.
• 40:03
  And I'm still like going to be a boss and entrepreneur in many
• 40:07
  areas because there's so much service I can do for others.
• 40:09
  And I am using talents for, I think trying to use them for God
• 40:12
  and for others. But you know, it can help me
• 40:15
  understand what does energize me naturally, like what elements of
• 40:18
  created creativity or whatever, like this podcast, you know,
• 40:21
  what is energizing me. And so that can help you really
• 40:25
  manage your life. That's right.
• 40:27
  And depend on each other because you want to be, you want to be
• 40:30
  rooted, growing in community. That's, you know, also part of
• 40:33
  what it means to be an integrated person.
• 40:35
  And so, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to appreciate the
• 40:39
  people in mind if they're different and, and complimentary
• 40:41
  and help them and help them with my gifts and they can help me
• 40:45
  with theirs. They want to fix my watch.
• 40:47
  They can. Perfect.
• 40:49
  I love it. OK, any last, last thing?
• 40:53
  What would your advice be for someone listening?
• 40:57
  Who wants to better understand themselves but doesn't want to
• 41:01
  be like self absorbed or like read weird horoscopes, you know?
• 41:05
  Yeah, but what would be what would be another tip for them?
• 41:10
  Tip especially like if you like, like even tools you gave.
• 41:13
  Like I know you were always giving tools to your high school
• 41:15
  students and recommending them for high school students, but.
• 41:18
  Right, right, right. Maybe like a favorite book that
• 41:21
  you recommend or something? Well, we were just talking
• 41:24
  about, yeah, People's book. I actually mentioned it on the
• 41:29
  last podcast, so let's say it again.
• 41:31
  It's. Fabulous.
• 41:32
  Yeah. I mean, I think it's a difficult
• 41:34
  read. It's short, though.
• 41:36
  It's short, but very deep. But if you can read it.
• 41:41
  Joseph Peeper Leisure, the basis of culture.
• 41:45
  I think understanding your, you know, man's desire for
• 41:50
  contemplation, for rest, for leisure.
• 41:52
  I think that can be very, very helpful in a very fast-paced,
• 41:57
  very busy world because we need, we need our, our humanity is not
• 42:02
  found in what we do and produce and create, but in who we are
• 42:07
  and to fundamentally embrace that is, is actually, he says
• 42:11
  in, in the book, you know, the man, he who prays sleeps better.
• 42:16
  But if you pray just to sleep better, it doesn't work.
• 42:19
  That's so good. So to really embrace your value
• 42:24
  and the beauty of yourself in in, in who you are before God,
• 42:28
  before God, then then you can move forward, take a step
• 42:33
  forward. I love that.
• 42:34
  So no matter your personality type, your Myers Briggs, your
• 42:37
  temperament, we are all called to.
• 42:41
  Cultivate to be more, to be to be more, not to do more, but to
• 42:45
  be more. And in being more you can.
• 42:46
  Be more who God created us to. Be Yeah, you can know what to
• 42:49
  do. Leisure as the baser.
• 42:51
  Can't know what to do if you don't know who you are.
• 42:54
  Yes. It's not a long book, it's
• 42:56
  short. It's worth your read.
• 42:57
  I actually have 8 copies in my closet because I give that out
• 42:59
  to. People, that's so cool.
• 43:00
  I didn't know you did that. You can have two copies.
• 43:02
  I know you're going to give him away too.
• 43:03
  Thank you, I do love. It all right guys, thank you for
• 43:06
  listening Simone thanks for talking my pleasure.
• 43:10
  This made this was so fun to record very fun.
• 43:12
  It's fun to talk to you. Now we're going to go talk about
• 43:15
  we're going to have dinner and talk about Simone's love life.
• 43:21
  We're going to talk about Meyer's brief type for Simone.
• 43:26
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• 43:32
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• 44:03
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