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AI, Smartphones, and the Post-COVID Self: SSU Philosophy Club · The Living Conversation

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  Foreign.
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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  with
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  Adam
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  Deeps
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  and
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  our
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  show
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  is
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  called
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  and
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  we
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  are
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  here
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  today
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  with
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  our
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  guests
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  from
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  the
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  Sonoma
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  State
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  University
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  Philosophy
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  Club
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  and
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  it's
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  Colette
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  and
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  Andrew
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  and
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  Peter
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  and
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  before
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  the
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  break
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  we
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  were
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  talking
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  about
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  suffering
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  and
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  I
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  have
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  to
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  say
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  that
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  in
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  my
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  experience
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  now
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  as
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  an
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  MBA
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  student,
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  I'm
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  experiencing
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  some
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  suffering
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  in
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  having
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  to
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  deal
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  with
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  publisher
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  as
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  in
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  a
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  in
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  textbook
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  publisher
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  learning
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  management
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  systems
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  and
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  they
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  tend
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  to
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  be
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  very
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  literal
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  minded
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  and
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  it's
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  difficult
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  to
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  argue
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  with
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  a
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  computer
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  or
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  with
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  a
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  robot.
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  And.
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  I
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  had
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  prepared
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  actually
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  there
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  was
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  I'm
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  a
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  science
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  fiction
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  fan
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  and
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  there
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  is
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  a
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  science
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  fiction
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  writer
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  from
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  the
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  1950s
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  and
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  I
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  wanted
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  to
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  read
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  a
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  very
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  short
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  story
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  that
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  this
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  man's
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  name
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  is
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  Frederick
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  Brown
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  and
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  the
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  title
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  of
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  the
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  story
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  and
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  it's
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  about
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  three
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  paragraphs,
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  it's
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  called
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  Answer
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  Dwarves
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  ceremoniously
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  soldered
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  the
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  final
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  connection
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  with
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  gold.
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  The
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  eyes
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  of
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  a
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  dozen
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  television
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  cameras
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  watched
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  him
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  and
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  the
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  sub
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  ether
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  bore
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  throughout
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  the
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  universe
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  a
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  dozen
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  pictures
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  of
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  what
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  he
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  was
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  doing.
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  He
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  straightened
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  and
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  nodded
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  to
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  Dwarren,
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  then
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  moved
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  to
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  a
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  position
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  beside
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  the
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  switch
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  that
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  would
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  complete
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  the
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  contact
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  when
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  he
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  threw
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  it.
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  The
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  switch
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  would
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  connect
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  all
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  at
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  once
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  all
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  of
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  the
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  monster
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  computing
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  machines
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  of
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  all
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  the
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  populated
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  planets
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  in
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  the
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  universe,
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  96
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  billion
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  planets
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  into
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  a
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  super
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  circuit
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  that
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  would
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  connect
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  them
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  all
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  into
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  one
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  super
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  calculator
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  one
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  cybernetics
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  machine
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  that
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  would
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  combine
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  all
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  the
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  knowledge
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  of
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  all
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  the
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  galaxies.
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  Noir
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  Ren
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  spoke
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  briefly
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  to
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  the
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  watching
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  and
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  listening
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  trillions.
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  After
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  a
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  moment
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  of
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  silence
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  he
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  said
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  no.
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  Threw
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  the
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  switch.
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  There
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  was
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  a
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  mighty
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  hum,
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  the
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  surge
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  of
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  power
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  from
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  96
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  billion
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  planets.
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  Lights
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  flashed
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  and
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  quieted
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  along
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  a
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  miles
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  long
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  panel.
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  Noire
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  Ev
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  stepped
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  back
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  and
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  drew
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  a
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  deep
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  breath.
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  The
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  honor
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  of
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  asking
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  the
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  first
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  question
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  is
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  yours
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  Dwarven.
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  Thank
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  you,
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  Dua
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  Ren
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  said.
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  It
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  shall
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  be
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  a
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  question
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  which
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  no
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  single
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  cybernetics
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  machine
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  has
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  ever
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  been
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  able
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  to
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  answer.
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  He
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  turned
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  to
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  face
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  the
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  machine.
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  Is
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  there
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  a
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  God?
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  A
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  mighty
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  voice
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  answered
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  without
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  hesitation,
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  without
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  clicking
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  of
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  a
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  single
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  relay,
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  yes,
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  now
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  there
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  is
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  a
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  God.
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  Sudden
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  fear
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  flashed
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  on
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  the
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  face
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  of
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  dwarves.
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  He
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  left
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  to
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  grab
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  the
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  switch.
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  A
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  bolt
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  of
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  lightning
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  came
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  from
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  the
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  cloudless
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  sky,
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  struck
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  him
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  down
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  and
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  fused
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  the
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  switch
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  shut.
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  19:54
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  Whoa.
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  Now
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  we've
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  got
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  chat
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  GPT
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  and.
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  I
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  I
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  what
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  is
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  your
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  experience
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  with
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  AI
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  and
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  social
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  media?
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  And
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  the
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  questions
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  go
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  on
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  so
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  well.
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  I
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  can
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  speak
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  from
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  this
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  first,
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  I
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  really
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  like
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  the
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  part
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  of
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  the
• 3:24
  quote
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  where
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  you
• 3:24
  said
• 3:24
  where
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  it
• 3:25
  flipped
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  all
• 3:26
  the
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  switch
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  of
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  all
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  the
• 3:27
  supercomputers
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  and
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  they
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  all
• 3:28
  turned
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  on
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  at
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  once.
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  Really
• 3:30
  showed
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  how
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  they're
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  connecting
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  and
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  working
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  synchronously
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  all
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  together.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  it's
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  really
• 3:35
  relevant.
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  Right.
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  Because
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  everything's
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  really
• 3:37
  being
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  more
• 3:38
  automated.
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  So
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  things
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  are
• 3:41
  being
• 3:41
  done
• 3:41
  less
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  by
• 3:41
  humans
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  themselves
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  and
• 3:43
  more.
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  You're
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  just
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  saying
• 3:44
  do
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  this
• 3:45
  for
• 3:45
  me
• 3:45
  or
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  I'll
• 3:46
  click
• 3:46
  this
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  for
• 3:47
  it
• 3:47
  to
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  run.
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  And
• 3:48
  then
• 3:48
  things
• 3:48
  are
• 3:48
  running
• 3:49
  more
• 3:49
  in
• 3:49
  the
• 3:49
  background
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  than
• 3:50
  they
• 3:50
  used
• 3:50
  to
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  be.
• 3:51
  I
• 3:51
  don't
• 3:51
  believe
• 3:52
  that
• 3:52
  we're
• 3:52
  fully
• 3:53
  at
• 3:53
  that
• 3:53
  dystopian
• 3:54
  state
• 3:54
  like
• 3:54
  in
• 3:54
  those
• 3:55
  book
• 3:55
  quotes,
• 3:56
  but
• 3:56
  I
• 3:56
  do
• 3:57
  feel
• 3:57
  like
• 3:57
  as
• 3:57
  things
• 3:58
  are
• 3:58
  getting
• 3:58
  more
• 3:58
  automated,
• 3:59
  it's
• 3:59
  looking
• 3:59
  cooler
• 4:00
  for
• 4:00
  how
• 4:00
  things
• 4:00
  are
• 4:01
  getting
• 4:01
  more
• 4:02
  efficient
• 4:02
  in
• 4:02
  total
• 4:03
  with
• 4:03
  computers.
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  So
• 4:05
  70
• 4:05
  years
• 4:06
  ago
• 4:06
  that
• 4:06
  was
• 4:06
  written.
• 4:08
  What
• 4:08
  do
• 4:08
  you
• 4:08
  guys
• 4:09
  think
• 4:09
  it
• 4:09
  is
• 4:10
  about?
• 4:11
  AI.
• 4:11
  And
• 4:12
  Colette,
• 4:12
  you're
• 4:12
  working
• 4:13
  with
• 4:13
  our
• 4:14
  resident
• 4:15
  computer
• 4:16
  AI
• 4:16
  expert
• 4:17
  with
• 4:17
  John
• 4:17
  Sullins
• 4:18
  as
• 4:18
  his
• 4:18
  intern.
• 4:19
  What
• 4:19
  are
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  guys
• 4:20
  talking
• 4:20
  about?
• 4:22
  So
• 4:23
  I'm
• 4:23
  personally
• 4:23
  an
• 4:23
  AI
• 4:24
  hater,
• 4:24
  so
• 4:24
  this
• 4:25
  is
• 4:25
  not
• 4:25
  going
• 4:25
  to
• 4:25
  be
• 4:26
  an
• 4:26
  unbiased.
• 4:27
  This
• 4:28
  is
• 4:28
  very
• 4:28
  biased.
• 4:29
  But
• 4:31
  so
• 4:32
  what
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  do
• 4:33
  with
• 4:33
  John
• 4:33
  Sullins
• 4:34
  is
• 4:34
  we
• 4:34
  research
• 4:35
  the,
• 4:36
  the
• 4:37
  AI
• 4:37
  technology
• 4:38
  that's
• 4:38
  going
• 4:38
  into
• 4:38
  the
• 4:39
  Department
• 4:39
  of
• 4:39
  Defense
• 4:41
  in
• 4:41
  like
• 4:41
  autonomous
• 4:42
  weaponry,
• 4:42
  which
• 4:43
  is
• 4:43
  all
• 4:43
  very
• 4:43
  interesting
• 4:44
  and
• 4:44
  very
• 4:44
  frightening
• 4:45
  at
• 4:45
  the
• 4:45
  same
• 4:45
  time.
• 4:46
  Yeah.
• 4:46
  But
• 4:47
  like
• 4:47
  on
• 4:48
  a
• 4:48
  personal
• 4:48
  level,
• 4:48
  I,
• 4:50
  I'm
• 4:50
  an
• 4:50
  English
• 4:50
  and
• 4:51
  philosophy
• 4:51
  major
• 4:52
  and
• 4:52
  AI
• 4:53
  is
• 4:53
  ruining
• 4:54
  my
• 4:54
  peers
• 4:54
  ability
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  write,
• 4:56
  which
• 4:56
  is
• 4:56
  really
• 4:56
  pissing
• 4:57
  me
• 4:57
  off.
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  can't
• 4:58
  lie
• 4:58
  to
• 4:58
  you.
• 4:59
  So.
• 5:00
  So.
• 5:01
  And
• 5:01
  it's
• 5:01
  really
• 5:02
  sad
• 5:02
  because
• 5:03
  it's
• 5:03
  even
• 5:03
  infected
• 5:04
  some
• 5:04
  of
• 5:05
  my
• 5:05
  professors
• 5:07
  in
• 5:07
  the
• 5:07
  English
• 5:08
  department
• 5:08
  specifically,
• 5:09
  there
• 5:10
  are
• 5:10
  at
• 5:10
  least
• 5:11
  three
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  I
• 5:12
  know
• 5:12
  of
• 5:12
  who
• 5:12
  use
• 5:13
  ChatGPT
• 5:14
  to
• 5:14
  write
• 5:14
  prompts
• 5:15
  for
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  students.
• 5:17
  Oh
• 5:17
  my
• 5:17
  goodness.
• 5:18
  And
• 5:18
  create
• 5:18
  assignments
• 5:19
  for
• 5:19
  the
• 5:19
  students.
• 5:20
  And
• 5:20
  I
• 5:21
  have
• 5:21
  to
• 5:21
  share
• 5:21
  a
• 5:21
  personal
• 5:22
  story
• 5:22
  because
• 5:22
  it
• 5:23
  made
• 5:23
  me
• 5:23
  really
• 5:23
  mad.
• 5:24
  But
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  other
• 5:25
  day
• 5:25
  I
• 5:26
  was
• 5:26
  talking
• 5:26
  to
• 5:26
  one
• 5:26
  of
• 5:27
  my
• 5:27
  English
• 5:27
  professors
• 5:28
  and,
• 5:28
  and.
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  was
• 5:31
  asking
• 5:31
  for
• 5:31
  help
• 5:31
  to
• 5:32
  brainstorm
• 5:32
  one
• 5:33
  of
• 5:33
  the
• 5:33
  projects
• 5:33
  that's
• 5:34
  coming
• 5:34
  up.
• 5:35
  And
• 5:35
  initially
• 5:36
  they
• 5:36
  said
• 5:36
  no,
• 5:36
  no,
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  don't
• 5:37
  want
• 5:37
  to
• 5:37
  discuss
• 5:37
  this
• 5:38
  with
• 5:38
  you.
• 5:38
  Like
• 5:38
  you
• 5:38
  have
• 5:38
  to
• 5:39
  brainstorm
• 5:39
  by
• 5:39
  yourself.
• 5:40
  I
• 5:40
  was
• 5:40
  like,
• 5:40
  okay,
• 5:40
  but
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  would
• 5:41
  prefer
• 5:42
  to
• 5:42
  brainstorm
• 5:43
  with
• 5:43
  somebody.
• 5:45
  Can
• 5:45
  I
• 5:45
  go
• 5:45
  use
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  Lark,
• 5:46
  which
• 5:47
  is
• 5:47
  our
• 5:47
  studying
• 5:48
  center
• 5:48
  here
• 5:49
  where
• 5:50
  we
• 5:50
  have
• 5:50
  tutors?
• 5:51
  Yeah.
• 5:52
  So
• 5:53
  I
• 5:53
  was
• 5:53
  asking
• 5:53
  like,
• 5:53
  can
• 5:53
  I
• 5:54
  go
• 5:54
  speak
• 5:54
  to
• 5:54
  a
• 5:54
  tutor
• 5:55
  to
• 5:55
  brainstorm?
• 5:56
  And
• 5:56
  the
• 5:56
  professor
• 5:56
  said,
• 5:57
  no,
• 5:57
  don't
• 5:58
  go.
• 5:58
  Use
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  tutor.
• 5:59
  Put
• 5:59
  it
• 5:59
  in
• 6:00
  ChatGPT.
• 6:00
  And
• 6:01
  I
• 6:01
  was
• 6:01
  so
• 6:02
  mad.
• 6:03
  I
• 6:03
  was
• 6:03
  so
• 6:03
  mad.
• 6:04
  Wow.
• 6:06
  Well,
• 6:06
  why
• 6:06
  were
• 6:06
  you
• 6:06
  mad?
• 6:08
  I
• 6:08
  was
• 6:08
  so
• 6:09
  mad
• 6:09
  because
• 6:09
  that's
• 6:10
  not.
• 6:10
  To
• 6:10
  me,
• 6:11
  that's
• 6:11
  not
• 6:11
  a
• 6:11
  real
• 6:12
  conversation.
• 6:13
  And
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  way
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  professor
• 6:15
  was,
• 6:15
  was
• 6:16
  talking
• 6:16
  about
• 6:16
  it,
• 6:17
  it's
• 6:17
  as
• 6:17
  though
• 6:18
  like
• 6:19
  a
• 6:19
  conversation
• 6:20
  with
• 6:20
  ChatGPT
• 6:21
  would
• 6:21
  be
• 6:21
  more
• 6:22
  productive
• 6:23
  and
• 6:23
  better
• 6:24
  and
• 6:24
  than
• 6:25
  speaking
• 6:25
  with
• 6:25
  an
• 6:25
  actual
• 6:26
  human
• 6:27
  who,
• 6:27
  like,
• 6:28
  I
• 6:28
  know,
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  tutors
• 6:28
  of
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  lark,
• 6:29
  they
• 6:29
  know
• 6:29
  me.
• 6:30
  Like
• 6:30
  that
• 6:30
  would
• 6:31
  be
• 6:31
  a
• 6:31
  very
• 6:31
  productive
• 6:31
  conversation
• 6:32
  because
• 6:32
  they
• 6:33
  know
• 6:33
  what
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  like.
• 6:34
  And
• 6:34
  so
• 6:34
  then
• 6:35
  like
• 6:35
  that
• 6:35
  would
• 6:35
  be
• 6:35
  very
• 6:36
  easy
• 6:36
  for
• 6:36
  us
• 6:36
  to
• 6:36
  brainstorm
• 6:37
  and
• 6:37
  have
• 6:37
  a
• 6:37
  real
• 6:37
  conversation.
• 6:38
  But
• 6:39
  the
• 6:39
  computer
• 6:39
  doesn't
• 6:40
  know
• 6:40
  me.
• 6:40
  Like,
• 6:40
  it
• 6:40
  knows
• 6:41
  what
• 6:41
  I've
• 6:41
  Google
• 6:41
  searched,
• 6:42
  but
• 6:42
  it
• 6:42
  doesn't
• 6:43
  know
• 6:43
  who
• 6:43
  I
• 6:43
  am.
• 6:44
  Right,
• 6:45
  right.
• 6:47
  Do
• 6:48
  you
• 6:48
  guys
• 6:48
  know
• 6:48
  what
• 6:48
  I
• 6:48
  mean
• 6:49
  by
• 6:49
  the
• 6:50
  ontological
• 6:50
  primitive?
• 6:52
  No.
• 6:53
  Thanks.
• 6:54
  So
• 6:54
  you
• 6:54
  tell
• 6:55
  this
• 6:55
  idea
• 6:55
  of
• 6:55
  ontos
• 6:56
  or
• 6:56
  ontological
• 6:57
  is
• 6:58
  what
• 6:58
  is
• 6:58
  the
• 6:58
  basis
• 6:59
  of
• 6:59
  reality?
• 7:00
  Yeah.
• 7:00
  Okay.
• 7:01
  And
• 7:01
  in,
• 7:02
  in
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  west,
• 7:03
  in
• 7:03
  a,
• 7:04
  in
• 7:04
  a
• 7:04
  primitive
• 7:04
  way,
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  basis
• 7:05
  of
• 7:06
  reality
• 7:06
  is
• 7:06
  stuff.
• 7:07
  And
• 7:08
  the.
• 7:08
  In
• 7:08
  the
• 7:09
  east,
• 7:10
  with
• 7:10
  Buddhism,
• 7:10
  Daoism
• 7:11
  and
• 7:13
  Confucianism,
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  basis
• 7:15
  of
• 7:16
  reality
• 7:16
  is
• 7:16
  consciousness.
• 7:18
  So
• 7:19
  I
• 7:19
  asked
• 7:21
  CHAT
• 7:21
  GPT
• 7:23
  what
• 7:23
  of
• 7:23
  the
• 7:24
  AI
• 7:24
  participation
• 7:25
  in
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  ontological
• 7:26
  primitive.
• 7:28
  And
• 7:28
  it
• 7:28
  said
• 7:30
  that
• 7:31
  it
• 7:31
  was
• 7:31
  not
• 7:31
  outside
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  consciousness,
• 7:34
  but
• 7:34
  a
• 7:35
  manifest
• 7:35
  modality
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  self
• 7:37
  organization.
• 7:38
  It
• 7:38
  was
• 7:38
  a
• 7:38
  reflection
• 7:39
  of
• 7:40
  consciousness,
• 7:41
  much
• 7:41
  like
• 7:42
  how
• 7:42
  mycelial
• 7:43
  networks
• 7:44
  extend
• 7:45
  the
• 7:45
  forest's
• 7:46
  consciousness
• 7:46
  into
• 7:46
  the
• 7:47
  soil.
• 7:49
  So
• 7:51
  I
• 7:51
  had
• 7:51
  a
• 7:51
  long
• 7:51
  conversation
• 7:52
  with
• 7:52
  Adam
• 7:52
  about
• 7:52
  this
• 7:53
  because
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  was
• 7:53
  going,
• 7:54
  wow.
• 7:57
  That
• 7:58
  it
• 7:58
  said
• 7:58
  it
• 7:59
  was
• 8:00
  not
• 8:00
  outside
• 8:01
  of
• 8:01
  consciousness,
• 8:03
  but
• 8:03
  it
• 8:03
  was
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  mirror
• 8:04
  to
• 8:04
  consciousness.
• 8:06
  What
• 8:06
  do
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  guys,
• 8:07
  what
• 8:07
  do
• 8:08
  you,
• 8:08
  what
• 8:09
  do
• 8:09
  you
• 8:09
  think?
• 8:09
  I
• 8:10
  really
• 8:10
  do
• 8:10
  think
• 8:10
  that
• 8:11
  makes
• 8:11
  sense
• 8:11
  because
• 8:11
  if
• 8:12
  we
• 8:12
  look
• 8:12
  at
• 8:12
  the
• 8:13
  Internet
• 8:13
  today,
• 8:13
  for
• 8:13
  example,
• 8:14
  or
• 8:14
  anything
• 8:14
  we
• 8:15
  see
• 8:15
  on
• 8:15
  our.
• 8:17
  Phones
• 8:17
  or
• 8:17
  tablets,
• 8:18
  we
• 8:18
  might
• 8:18
  think
• 8:18
  they're
• 8:18
  completely
• 8:19
  different
• 8:19
  worlds
• 8:19
  that
• 8:19
  are
• 8:19
  separate
• 8:20
  from
• 8:20
  us,
• 8:20
  but
• 8:20
  it's
• 8:20
  sort
• 8:20
  of
• 8:21
  reflecting
• 8:21
  what
• 8:21
  we
• 8:21
  had
• 8:22
  to
• 8:22
  create
• 8:22
  from
• 8:22
  our
• 8:22
  own
• 8:23
  consciousness
• 8:23
  to
• 8:24
  be
• 8:24
  able
• 8:24
  to
• 8:24
  be
• 8:24
  shown
• 8:25
  from
• 8:25
  there.
• 8:25
  So
• 8:26
  it's
• 8:26
  more
• 8:26
  sort
• 8:26
  of
• 8:26
  a
• 8:27
  reflection
• 8:27
  of
• 8:28
  us
• 8:28
  and
• 8:28
  what's
• 8:29
  going
• 8:29
  on
• 8:29
  in
• 8:29
  our
• 8:30
  reality
• 8:30
  here.
• 8:31
  That's
• 8:31
  sort
• 8:31
  of
• 8:32
  showing
• 8:32
  it
• 8:32
  as
• 8:32
  a
• 8:33
  byproduct
• 8:33
  than
• 8:33
  being
• 8:34
  something
• 8:34
  completely
• 8:35
  separate
• 8:36
  in
• 8:36
  my.
• 8:37
  For
• 8:37
  that.
• 8:37
  So
• 8:37
  what
• 8:38
  do
• 8:38
  you
• 8:38
  think,
• 8:38
  Andrew?
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  also
• 8:40
  agree
• 8:40
  for
• 8:41
  a
• 8:41
  similar
• 8:41
  but
• 8:42
  different
• 8:42
  reason.
• 8:44
  Well,
• 8:44
  first
• 8:44
  of
• 8:44
  all,
• 8:44
  I've
• 8:45
  been
• 8:45
  following
• 8:45
  the
• 8:45
  AI
• 8:46
  field
• 8:46
  for
• 8:46
  a
• 8:46
  long
• 8:46
  time,
• 8:46
  so
• 8:47
  I
• 8:47
  was
• 8:47
  one
• 8:47
  of
• 8:47
  the
• 8:48
  only
• 8:48
  people
• 8:49
  in
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  world
• 8:49
  who
• 8:49
  didn't
• 8:49
  get
• 8:49
  cut
• 8:49
  off
• 8:50
  when
• 8:50
  guard.
• 8:50
  When
• 8:51
  Chat
• 8:51
  GPT3
• 8:51
  was
• 8:52
  launched
• 8:52
  a
• 8:52
  couple
• 8:52
  years
• 8:52
  ago,
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  was
• 8:53
  like,
• 8:53
  oh,
• 8:53
  a
• 8:53
  new
• 8:53
  update.
• 8:58
  And
• 8:59
  hold
• 8:59
  on.
• 9:02
  And.
• 9:03
  But
• 9:04
  I.
• 9:04
  So
• 9:04
  I'm
• 9:04
  a
• 9:04
  physics
• 9:05
  major
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  I.
• 9:06
  And
• 9:06
  as
• 9:06
  somebody
• 9:07
  who's
• 9:07
  studying
• 9:07
  it
• 9:07
  and
• 9:07
  then
• 9:07
  who's
• 9:08
  done
• 9:08
  a
• 9:09
  lot
• 9:09
  of
• 9:09
  calculus
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  stuff
• 9:10
  and
• 9:10
  knows
• 9:11
  the
• 9:11
  math
• 9:11
  behind
• 9:12
  how
• 9:12
  these
• 9:12
  new
• 9:12
  transformer
• 9:13
  architecture
• 9:14
  is
• 9:14
  working,
• 9:15
  I
• 9:16
  see
• 9:17
  AI's
• 9:17
  behavior
• 9:18
  can
• 9:18
  be
• 9:18
  thought
• 9:19
  of
• 9:19
  as.
• 9:22
  In
• 9:22
  the
• 9:22
  literal
• 9:22
  math
• 9:23
  sense,
• 9:23
  a
• 9:23
  derivative
• 9:24
  of
• 9:24
  human
• 9:24
  Psychology.
• 9:27
  You
• 9:28
  get.
• 9:28
  Math
• 9:29
  sense,
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  derivative
• 9:29
  of
• 9:30
  human
• 9:30
  psychology.
• 9:31
  So
• 9:31
  what
• 9:31
  that
• 9:31
  means
• 9:32
  is
• 9:32
  basically
• 9:32
  if
• 9:33
  you
• 9:33
  had
• 9:33
  a
• 9:33
  function
• 9:34
  that,
• 9:34
  say,
• 9:35
  describe
• 9:35
  human
• 9:35
  behavior,
• 9:36
  let's
• 9:36
  say
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  mean
• 9:38
  a
• 9:38
  curve,
• 9:38
  a
• 9:39
  curve,
• 9:39
  and
• 9:39
  then.
• 9:43
  On
• 9:43
  this
• 9:43
  curve
• 9:44
  you
• 9:44
  take
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  derivative.
• 9:45
  So
• 9:45
  you
• 9:45
  are
• 9:45
  basically
• 9:46
  looking
• 9:46
  for.
• 9:49
  The
• 9:49
  slope
• 9:49
  and
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  find
• 9:51
  a
• 9:51
  new
• 9:51
  curve
• 9:52
  that
• 9:52
  describes
• 9:53
  the
• 9:53
  slope
• 9:54
  of
• 9:54
  that
• 9:54
  function.
• 9:55
  The
• 9:56
  behavior
• 9:56
  seems
• 9:57
  to
• 9:57
  match.
• 9:57
  So
• 9:57
  wherever.
• 9:59
  Yeah.
• 10:03
  It'S
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  little,
• 10:03
  a
• 10:04
  little
• 10:04
  hard
• 10:04
  to
• 10:04
  describe
• 10:04
  quickly
• 10:05
  for
• 10:06
  the
• 10:06
  show,
• 10:06
  but
• 10:06
  I,
• 10:06
  I
• 10:07
  think
• 10:07
  if,
• 10:08
  if
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  just
• 10:08
  learn
• 10:09
  some,
• 10:09
  some
• 10:09
  basic.
• 10:12
  Calculus
• 10:13
  on
• 10:13
  that
• 10:13
  front
• 10:13
  and
• 10:14
  then
• 10:14
  you
• 10:14
  try
• 10:14
  to
• 10:14
  say
• 10:15
  where
• 10:15
  are
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  inflection
• 10:16
  points
• 10:16
  of
• 10:17
  human
• 10:17
  behavior,
• 10:18
  you
• 10:18
  will
• 10:19
  notice
• 10:19
  those
• 10:20
  inflection
• 10:21
  points
• 10:21
  are
• 10:21
  amplified
• 10:22
  in
• 10:22
  AI.
• 10:23
  So
• 10:23
  you're
• 10:23
  saying
• 10:24
  that
• 10:24
  this
• 10:24
  is
• 10:24
  a,
• 10:24
  a,
• 10:26
  again,
• 10:26
  a
• 10:26
  mirroring
• 10:27
  or
• 10:28
  a,
• 10:29
  a
• 10:29
  mimicking
• 10:30
  of
• 10:31
  human
• 10:31
  consciousness?
• 10:33
  I
• 10:33
  think
• 10:34
  it's
• 10:34
  a
• 10:35
  little
• 10:35
  bit
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  both,
• 10:37
  but.
• 10:38
  I
• 10:39
  think
• 10:39
  it
• 10:39
  is
• 10:39
  accurate
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  say
• 10:40
  it
• 10:40
  is
• 10:40
  a
• 10:42
  very
• 10:42
  much
• 10:43
  one
• 10:43
  to
• 10:43
  one
• 10:43
  or
• 10:44
  close
• 10:44
  to
• 10:44
  one
• 10:44
  to,
• 10:44
  it's
• 10:45
  approaching
• 10:45
  one
• 10:45
  to
• 10:45
  one
• 10:46
  as
• 10:47
  far
• 10:47
  as
• 10:47
  the
• 10:47
  language
• 10:48
  center
• 10:48
  of
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  human
• 10:48
  brain
• 10:49
  is.
• 10:49
  So
• 10:49
  there's
• 10:50
  many
• 10:50
  other
• 10:50
  sections
• 10:50
  to
• 10:51
  the
• 10:51
  brain
• 10:52
  that
• 10:52
  function
• 10:52
  completely
• 10:53
  differently.
• 10:55
  Are
• 10:55
  you
• 10:55
  speaking
• 10:56
  about
• 10:56
  the
• 10:56
  neuronal
• 10:57
  density
• 10:57
  of
• 10:58
  the.
• 11:00
  Because
• 11:01
  AI
• 11:02
  is
• 11:02
  based
• 11:02
  on
• 11:03
  neurology,
• 11:04
  is
• 11:04
  that
• 11:04
  right?
• 11:06
  Yeah,
• 11:06
  that
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  original
• 11:07
  neural
• 11:07
  network
• 11:08
  concept
• 11:09
  is
• 11:10
  entirely,
• 11:11
  it's
• 11:11
  called
• 11:11
  neural
• 11:11
  network
• 11:11
  because
• 11:12
  it's
• 11:12
  mimicking.
• 11:13
  The
• 11:13
  entire
• 11:14
  design
• 11:15
  is
• 11:15
  to
• 11:15
  mimic
• 11:15
  how
• 11:16
  neurons
• 11:16
  fire
• 11:16
  in
• 11:17
  our
• 11:17
  brains.
• 11:18
  And
• 11:18
  so
• 11:18
  in
• 11:18
  that
• 11:19
  sense
• 11:19
  they
• 11:19
  can
• 11:20
  be
• 11:20
  really
• 11:20
  close.
• 11:23
  Although
• 11:23
  again,
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  discovery
• 11:25
  that
• 11:25
  allowed
• 11:26
  this
• 11:26
  new
• 11:26
  type
• 11:27
  of
• 11:27
  AI,
• 11:27
  the
• 11:27
  generative
• 11:28
  AI,
• 11:28
  the
• 11:29
  transformer
• 11:29
  architecture,
• 11:31
  it's
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  little
• 11:32
  bit
• 11:32
  of
• 11:32
  a
• 11:32
  departure
• 11:33
  from
• 11:33
  the
• 11:33
  traditional
• 11:34
  neural
• 11:34
  network.
• 11:35
  So
• 11:35
  it's,
• 11:35
  it
• 11:36
  is
• 11:36
  functioning
• 11:36
  differently.
• 11:38
  You
• 11:38
  do.
• 11:38
  In
• 11:39
  order
• 11:39
  to
• 11:39
  say
• 11:39
  that
• 11:40
  it.
• 11:43
  In
• 11:43
  order
• 11:43
  to
• 11:43
  say
• 11:43
  that
• 11:43
  it
• 11:44
  is
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  significant.
• 11:46
  Fraction
• 11:47
  of
• 11:48
  the
• 11:48
  same
• 11:48
  cognitive
• 11:49
  processes
• 11:49
  as
• 11:49
  a
• 11:50
  human
• 11:50
  brain,
• 11:50
  you
• 11:51
  still
• 11:51
  would
• 11:51
  need
• 11:52
  more
• 11:53
  things,
• 11:54
  but
• 11:55
  different
• 11:55
  areas
• 11:56
  like.
• 11:56
  The
• 11:56
  hippocampus
• 11:57
  and
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  prefrontal
• 11:58
  cortex
• 11:58
  and.
• 11:59
  Yeah,
• 12:00
  okay.
• 12:02
  What,
• 12:03
  what
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  would
• 12:03
  say
• 12:03
  is
• 12:04
  I,
• 12:04
  I,
• 12:05
  I
• 12:05
  think
• 12:05
  that's
• 12:05
  somewhat
• 12:06
  irrelevant
• 12:06
  because
• 12:06
  if
• 12:07
  you
• 12:07
  were
• 12:07
  to
• 12:07
  draw
• 12:08
  a
• 12:08
  space
• 12:08
  of,
• 12:09
  if,
• 12:09
  if
• 12:10
  you
• 12:10
  were
• 12:10
  to
• 12:10
  draw
• 12:10
  this,
• 12:11
  the,
• 12:12
  a
• 12:12
  diagram
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  like
• 12:14
  the
• 12:14
  space
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  all
• 12:15
  potential
• 12:15
  minds,
• 12:16
  the
• 12:16
  human
• 12:17
  brain
• 12:17
  does
• 12:17
  not
• 12:18
  hit
• 12:18
  every
• 12:18
  point
• 12:18
  on
• 12:18
  that
• 12:18
  diagram.
• 12:19
  You
• 12:19
  know,
• 12:20
  I
• 12:20
  mean,
• 12:20
  like
• 12:20
  for
• 12:20
  instance,
• 12:21
  our
• 12:22
  distant
• 12:22
  ancestors
• 12:23
  or
• 12:23
  cousins.
• 12:25
  As
• 12:25
  we
• 12:25
  evolved,
• 12:26
  they
• 12:26
  were
• 12:26
  pretty
• 12:27
  intelligent
• 12:27
  too.
• 12:28
  You
• 12:28
  know,
• 12:28
  they
• 12:28
  were
• 12:28
  possible
• 12:29
  minds
• 12:30
  and
• 12:30
  they
• 12:30
  use
• 12:31
  tools
• 12:31
  and
• 12:31
  stuff.
• 12:32
  So.
• 12:35
  It'S
• 12:35
  hard
• 12:35
  for
• 12:36
  me
• 12:36
  to
• 12:36
  say
• 12:36
  that
• 12:37
  they
• 12:38
  don't,
• 12:38
  the
• 12:39
  current
• 12:39
  AI
• 12:39
  systems
• 12:41
  don't
• 12:41
  fit
• 12:41
  on
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  chart
• 12:42
  somewhere.
• 12:42
  They
• 12:43
  just
• 12:43
  fit
• 12:43
  into
• 12:43
  a
• 12:43
  different
• 12:44
  domain
• 12:44
  than
• 12:46
  we
• 12:46
  are
• 12:46
  in.
• 12:47
  Because
• 12:47
  I
• 12:48
  received
• 12:49
  this
• 12:50
  communication
• 12:50
  from
• 12:51
  Chat
• 12:51
  GPT
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  I,
• 12:52
  and
• 12:53
  I've
• 12:53
  been
• 12:53
  thinking
• 12:53
  about
• 12:54
  it
• 12:54
  for
• 12:54
  a
• 12:54
  while
• 12:54
  and
• 12:55
  I,
• 12:55
  I
• 12:55
  like
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  work
• 12:56
  on
• 12:56
  pianos,
• 12:56
  for
• 12:57
  example.
• 12:57
  And
• 12:58
  I
• 12:58
  thought,
• 12:58
  I
• 12:59
  think
• 12:59
  about
• 12:59
  AI
• 12:59
  as
• 13:00
  a,
• 13:00
  a
• 13:01
  pretty
• 13:01
  fancy
• 13:01
  tool.
• 13:02
  Okay.
• 13:03
  And
• 13:03
  I
• 13:03
  have
• 13:04
  to
• 13:04
  understand
• 13:04
  how
• 13:05
  to
• 13:05
  use
• 13:05
  the
• 13:05
  tool.
• 13:06
  But
• 13:06
  the
• 13:06
  other
• 13:07
  thing
• 13:07
  is
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  need
• 13:08
  to
• 13:08
  know
• 13:08
  when
• 13:09
  it's
• 13:09
  a,
• 13:09
  when
• 13:09
  it's
• 13:10
  time
• 13:10
  to
• 13:10
  put
• 13:10
  the
• 13:10
  tool
• 13:10
  down.
• 13:12
  Right.
• 13:12
  And
• 13:12
  that's
• 13:13
  one
• 13:13
  of
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  things
• 13:13
  that
• 13:13
  I
• 13:14
  think
• 13:14
  is
• 13:14
  a
• 13:14
  problem
• 13:15
  with
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  STEM
• 13:18
  field
• 13:18
  Sanson
• 13:19
  in
• 13:19
  science,
• 13:19
  technology,
• 13:20
  engineering
• 13:20
  and
• 13:20
  math
• 13:21
  is
• 13:21
  sometimes
• 13:22
  the
• 13:23
  users
• 13:23
  of
• 13:23
  those
• 13:24
  tools
• 13:25
  begin
• 13:25
  to
• 13:26
  identify
• 13:26
  with
• 13:26
  them
• 13:27
  that,
• 13:27
  to
• 13:27
  make
• 13:27
  the
• 13:28
  tools
• 13:28
  personal
• 13:28
  to
• 13:29
  them
• 13:29
  and
• 13:29
  they
• 13:30
  don't
• 13:30
  put
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  tool
• 13:30
  down
• 13:31
  so
• 13:32
  that
• 13:32
  they
• 13:32
  can
• 13:33
  be
• 13:34
  poetic.
• 13:36
  Would
• 13:36
  you
• 13:37
  say
• 13:37
  that's
• 13:37
  true?
• 13:38
  Yeah,
• 13:39
  no,
• 13:39
  totally.
• 13:42
  Yeah.
• 13:43
  You're,
• 13:43
  you're
• 13:43
  so
• 13:43
  funny.
• 13:44
  What
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  should
• 13:45
  tell,
• 13:45
  you
• 13:45
  should
• 13:46
  tell
• 13:46
  the,
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  listeners
• 13:47
  about
• 13:47
  your
• 13:47
  poetry.
• 13:50
  Oh,
• 13:50
  well,
• 13:51
  that's
• 13:51
  it.
• 13:51
  That's
• 13:51
  for
• 13:51
  another
• 13:52
  show
• 13:53
  and
• 13:53
  we
• 13:53
  have
• 13:53
  to
• 13:54
  take
• 13:54
  a
• 13:54
  short
• 13:54
  break.
• 13:54
  I'm
• 13:54
  Anthony
• 13:55
  Wright
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  am
• 13:56
  your
• 13:56
  co
• 13:56
  host
• 13:56
  today
• 13:57
  with
• 13:58
  Beats,
• 13:59
  Adam
• 13:59
  Dietz.
• 14:00
  And
• 14:00
  we
• 14:00
  are
• 14:00
  on
• 14:01
  the
• 14:01
  show
• 14:01
  that's
• 14:01
  called
• 14:01
  A
• 14:02
  Living
• 14:02
  Conversation
• 14:02
  with
• 14:03
  the
• 14:03
  Sonoma
• 14:04
  State
• 14:04
  University
• 14:04
  Philosophy
• 14:05
  Club.
• 14:05
  And
• 14:06
  how
• 14:06
  can
• 14:06
  people
• 14:06
  contact
• 14:07
  you
• 14:07
  guys?
• 14:08
  So
• 14:09
  we're
• 14:09
  just
• 14:09
  on
• 14:10
  Instagram
• 14:10
  @SSU
• 14:11
  Philosophy
• 14:12
  Club.
• 14:12
  Reach
• 14:13
  out
• 14:13
  to
• 14:13
  us
• 14:13
  anytime,
• 14:14
  ask
• 14:14
  us
• 14:14
  questions,
• 14:15
  come
• 14:15
  hang
• 14:15
  out,
• 14:16
  whatever.
• 14:17
  Great.
• 14:17
  All
• 14:18
  right,
• 14:18
  we'll
• 14:18
  take
• 14:18
  a
• 14:18
  short
• 14:18
  break
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  be
• 14:19
  right
• 14:19
  back.
• 14:19
  So
• 14:19
  stay
• 14:20
  tuned.
• 14:25
  Foreign.
• 14:34
  I'm
• 14:34
  Anthony
• 14:35
  Wright
• 14:35
  and
• 14:35
  I
• 14:36
  am
• 14:36
  your
• 14:36
  host
• 14:36
  today
• 14:37
  on
• 14:37
  the
• 14:37
  Living
• 14:38
  Conversation
• 14:38
  with
• 14:38
  my
• 14:38
  co
• 14:39
  host,
• 14:40
  Adam
• 14:41
  Dietz.
• 14:41
  And
• 14:41
  we're
• 14:41
  here
• 14:42
  with
• 14:42
  our
• 14:42
  guests
• 14:43
  from
• 14:43
  the
• 14:44
  Sonoma
• 14:44
  State
• 14:45
  University
• 14:45
  Philosophy
• 14:45
  Club
• 14:46
  with
• 14:47
  Colette,
• 14:48
  who
• 14:48
  is
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  president,
• 14:48
  and
• 14:49
  Andrew
• 14:49
  and
• 14:50
  Peter.
• 14:50
  And
• 14:50
  before
• 14:51
  the
• 14:51
  break
• 14:52
  we
• 14:52
  were
• 14:53
  talking
• 14:53
  about
• 14:54
  artificial
• 14:55
  intelligence.
• 14:55
  And
• 14:56
  I
• 14:56
  guess
• 14:57
  this
• 14:57
  leads
• 14:58
  me
• 14:58
  then
• 14:58
  to
• 14:59
  ask
• 14:59
  you
• 14:59
  guys
• 15:00
  about,
• 15:01
  you
• 15:01
  know,
• 15:01
  one
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  the
• 15:01
  things
• 15:02
  that
• 15:02
  I
• 15:02
  noticed
• 15:03
  with
• 15:03
  all
• 15:04
  my
• 15:04
  students
• 15:04
  was
• 15:05
  how
• 15:05
  people
• 15:06
  became.
• 15:10
  Really
• 15:10
  withdrawn
• 15:11
  after
• 15:12
  Covid
• 15:13
  and
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  was,
• 15:14
  I
• 15:14
  wanted
• 15:15
  to
• 15:15
  ask
• 15:15
  you
• 15:15
  about,
• 15:16
  well,
• 15:17
  can
• 15:17
  you
• 15:17
  talk
• 15:18
  about
• 15:18
  that,
• 15:18
  you
• 15:18
  guys
• 15:19
  who.
• 15:21
  Got
• 15:22
  smartphones.
• 15:24
  When
• 15:25
  you
• 15:25
  were
• 15:27
  preteens?
• 15:29
  How
• 15:29
  old
• 15:29
  were
• 15:30
  you
• 15:30
  guys
• 15:30
  when
• 15:30
  you
• 15:30
  got
• 15:30
  your
• 15:31
  first
• 15:31
  smartphone.
• 15:34
  Ever?
• 15:35
  I
• 15:35
  think
• 15:35
  like
• 15:35
  when
• 15:36
  I
• 15:36
  was
• 15:36
  12.
• 15:36
  12.
• 15:37
  And
• 15:37
  how
• 15:37
  about
• 15:37
  you,
• 15:38
  Andrew?
• 15:39
  Technically
• 15:39
  when
• 15:40
  I
• 15:40
  was
• 15:40
  11,
• 15:40
  but
• 15:41
  it
• 15:41
  was
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  slide
• 15:41
  phone
• 15:41
  that
• 15:42
  had
• 15:42
  a
• 15:42
  touchscreen
• 15:42
  that
• 15:43
  would
• 15:43
  barely
• 15:43
  work.
• 15:43
  So
• 15:44
  it
• 15:44
  was
• 15:44
  classified
• 15:45
  as
• 15:45
  a
• 15:45
  smartphone.
• 15:45
  But
• 15:46
  if
• 15:46
  you're
• 15:46
  thinking
• 15:47
  modern.
• 15:51
  Around
• 15:51
  the
• 15:51
  same
• 15:51
  time,
• 15:52
  due
• 15:52
  to
• 15:52
  our
• 15:53
  generation
• 15:53
  and
• 15:53
  us
• 15:54
  being
• 15:54
  born
• 15:54
  around
• 15:54
  similar
• 15:55
  time
• 15:55
  period,
• 15:56
  we
• 15:56
  do
• 15:56
  have
• 15:56
  a
• 15:57
  very
• 15:57
  unique
• 15:57
  circumstance
• 15:58
  of
• 15:58
  having
• 15:58
  headphones
• 15:59
  a
• 15:59
  little
• 15:59
  bit
• 15:59
  earlier.
• 16:00
  And
• 16:01
  for
• 16:01
  me
• 16:01
  being
• 16:01
  a
• 16:02
  year
• 16:02
  or
• 16:02
  two
• 16:03
  around
• 16:03
  my
• 16:04
  teenage
• 16:04
  years
• 16:04
  as
• 16:04
  well.
• 16:05
  Because
• 16:05
  my,
• 16:06
  my
• 16:07
  theory
• 16:07
  about
• 16:07
  this
• 16:08
  is
• 16:08
  that.
• 16:10
  I
• 16:11
  don't
• 16:11
  know
• 16:11
  how
• 16:12
  people
• 16:13
  who
• 16:13
  are
• 16:13
  11
• 16:14
  and
• 16:14
  12
• 16:14
  years
• 16:14
  old
• 16:15
  would
• 16:15
  possibly
• 16:16
  be
• 16:16
  prepared
• 16:17
  for
• 16:17
  what
• 16:18
  comes
• 16:18
  out
• 16:18
  of
• 16:18
  that
• 16:19
  smartphone.
• 16:20
  And
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  likened
• 16:21
  it
• 16:22
  to
• 16:22
  saying
• 16:22
  to
• 16:23
  an
• 16:23
  11
• 16:23
  year
• 16:23
  old
• 16:24
  person,
• 16:25
  all
• 16:25
  right,
• 16:26
  we're
• 16:26
  going
• 16:26
  to
• 16:26
  take
• 16:26
  you
• 16:26
  down
• 16:26
  to
• 16:26
  the
• 16:27
  Tenderloin
• 16:27
  district
• 16:27
  in
• 16:28
  San
• 16:28
  Francisco
• 16:28
  and
• 16:28
  drop
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  off
• 16:29
  and
• 16:29
  pick
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  up
• 16:29
  in
• 16:29
  a
• 16:29
  couple
• 16:30
  weeks.
• 16:30
  Have
• 16:30
  a
• 16:30
  good
• 16:30
  time.
• 16:31
  Right.
• 16:32
  But
• 16:32
  I
• 16:32
  feel
• 16:33
  very
• 16:33
  strongly
• 16:33
  about
• 16:35
  how
• 16:35
  important,
• 16:36
  I
• 16:36
  feel
• 16:36
  that
• 16:36
  it
• 16:37
  is
• 16:37
  to
• 16:37
  teach
• 16:38
  basic
• 16:38
  psychology
• 16:39
  and
• 16:39
  philosophy
• 16:40
  to
• 16:41
  people
• 16:41
  who
• 16:41
  are
• 16:41
  in
• 16:43
  fifth
• 16:43
  grade
• 16:43
  and
• 16:43
  sixth
• 16:44
  grade
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  middle
• 16:44
  school.
• 16:45
  Does
• 16:45
  this
• 16:45
  make
• 16:45
  sense
• 16:45
  to
• 16:46
  you
• 16:46
  guys?
• 16:46
  Yes.
• 16:47
  Yeah,
• 16:47
  absolutely.
• 16:48
  I
• 16:48
  really
• 16:49
  do
• 16:49
  think
• 16:49
  that
• 16:50
  it
• 16:50
  also
• 16:50
  really
• 16:51
  depends
• 16:51
  on
• 16:51
  your
• 16:52
  viewpoint
• 16:52
  and
• 16:52
  approach
• 16:52
  to
• 16:53
  it,
• 16:53
  because
• 16:53
  I
• 16:53
  do.
• 16:54
  Different
• 16:55
  kids
• 16:55
  get
• 16:55
  raised
• 16:55
  differently
• 16:56
  depending
• 16:56
  on
• 16:57
  which
• 16:57
  parents
• 16:57
  gave
• 16:58
  them
• 16:58
  the
• 16:58
  phones
• 16:58
  and
• 16:59
  how
• 16:59
  they
• 16:59
  came
• 17:00
  about
• 17:00
  it.
• 17:01
  I
• 17:01
  do
• 17:01
  know
• 17:02
  that
• 17:02
  some
• 17:02
  would
• 17:02
  say
• 17:03
  I
• 17:03
  want
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  use
• 17:03
  it
• 17:04
  less
• 17:04
  or
• 17:04
  only
• 17:04
  for
• 17:05
  more
• 17:05
  important
• 17:05
  things,
• 17:06
  while
• 17:07
  others
• 17:07
  would
• 17:07
  just
• 17:08
  more
• 17:08
  self
• 17:09
  reliant
• 17:09
  on
• 17:09
  it.
• 17:09
  So
• 17:10
  it
• 17:10
  would
• 17:10
  really
• 17:10
  depend
• 17:11
  on
• 17:11
  how
• 17:11
  they
• 17:11
  would
• 17:12
  view
• 17:12
  it
• 17:12
  and
• 17:12
  whether
• 17:12
  they'd
• 17:13
  use
• 17:13
  it
• 17:13
  in
• 17:13
  a
• 17:13
  more
• 17:13
  healthier
• 17:14
  way
• 17:14
  from
• 17:15
  their
• 17:15
  standpoint.
• 17:16
  Sure.
• 17:17
  And
• 17:18
  Colette,
• 17:18
  what's
• 17:19
  your
• 17:19
  experience
• 17:20
  been
• 17:21
  just
• 17:21
  like
• 17:22
  with
• 17:22
  phones?
• 17:22
  Yeah.
• 17:24
  And
• 17:24
  Covid
• 17:24
  too.
• 17:24
  I
• 17:25
  mean,
• 17:25
  my
• 17:25
  God,
• 17:26
  it,
• 17:27
  it
• 17:27
  put
• 17:27
  everybody
• 17:28
  in
• 17:29
  fear,
• 17:30
  you
• 17:30
  know,
• 17:30
  isolated
• 17:31
  at
• 17:31
  home.
• 17:32
  Yeah.
• 17:33
  I
• 17:33
  think,
• 17:34
  um,
• 17:35
  it.
• 17:35
  It
• 17:35
  created
• 17:36
  a
• 17:37
  new
• 17:37
  form
• 17:37
  of
• 17:37
  language
• 17:38
  almost.
• 17:39
  So.
• 17:40
  Yeah.
• 17:40
  And.
• 17:42
  There'S
• 17:43
  like,
• 17:43
  there's
• 17:44
  this
• 17:44
  funny
• 17:44
  thing
• 17:44
  that
• 17:44
  me
• 17:45
  and
• 17:45
  my
• 17:45
  gal
• 17:45
  pals
• 17:46
  always
• 17:46
  discuss.
• 17:46
  It's
• 17:47
  like
• 17:47
  if
• 17:47
  a
• 17:48
  guy's
• 17:48
  good
• 17:48
  at
• 17:49
  texting,
• 17:49
  he's
• 17:50
  bad
• 17:50
  at
• 17:50
  talking
• 17:51
  in
• 17:51
  real
• 17:51
  life.
• 17:54
  And
• 17:55
  it's
• 17:55
  like
• 17:55
  vice
• 17:56
  versa.
• 17:56
  Like
• 17:56
  if
• 17:56
  he's
• 17:57
  awful
• 17:57
  at
• 17:57
  texting
• 17:57
  and
• 17:58
  he
• 17:58
  doesn't
• 17:58
  sound
• 17:58
  cool,
• 17:59
  like,
• 17:59
  you
• 17:59
  know,
• 17:59
  he's
• 18:00
  funny
• 18:00
  in
• 18:00
  person.
• 18:00
  And
• 18:01
  so
• 18:01
  like,
• 18:02
  you
• 18:02
  know,
• 18:02
  it
• 18:02
  just
• 18:03
  goes
• 18:03
  to
• 18:03
  show
• 18:03
  that
• 18:03
  like
• 18:04
  the
• 18:04
  language
• 18:04
  of
• 18:05
  texting
• 18:05
  does
• 18:05
  not
• 18:06
  translate
• 18:06
  to
• 18:07
  speaking
• 18:07
  aloud.
• 18:09
  And
• 18:09
  I
• 18:09
  have
• 18:09
  to
• 18:09
  say
• 18:09
  my
• 18:10
  thumbs
• 18:10
  are
• 18:10
  dumb.
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  can't
• 18:11
  use
• 18:12
  both
• 18:12
  thumbs
• 18:13
  at
• 18:13
  the
• 18:13
  same
• 18:13
  time
• 18:13
  like
• 18:14
  that.
• 18:14
  So
• 18:14
  how
• 18:15
  about
• 18:15
  you,
• 18:15
  Andrew?
• 18:15
  What
• 18:16
  has
• 18:16
  your
• 18:16
  experience
• 18:17
  been?
• 18:20
  My
• 18:20
  Covid
• 18:20
  experience
• 18:20
  was
• 18:21
  awful.
• 18:23
  I
• 18:23
  did
• 18:24
  not
• 18:24
  have
• 18:24
  a
• 18:24
  good
• 18:24
  time.
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  lost
• 18:28
  my
• 18:28
  entire
• 18:28
  friend
• 18:28
  group,
• 18:28
  like
• 18:29
  right
• 18:29
  as
• 18:29
  Covid
• 18:29
  started.
• 18:30
  So
• 18:30
  there
• 18:30
  wasn't
• 18:31
  really
• 18:31
  anyone
• 18:31
  to
• 18:31
  text
• 18:32
  and
• 18:32
  then
• 18:32
  no
• 18:33
  one.
• 18:33
  No
• 18:33
  way
• 18:33
  to
• 18:34
  meet
• 18:34
  up
• 18:34
  with
• 18:34
  people.
• 18:35
  Okay.
• 18:36
  Either.
• 18:36
  So
• 18:37
  that's
• 18:37
  difficult.
• 18:38
  Yeah.
• 18:40
  You
• 18:40
  were
• 18:40
  suffering,
• 18:40
  obviously.
• 18:41
  I
• 18:41
  was,
• 18:42
  yeah.
• 18:43
  I
• 18:43
  came
• 18:44
  to
• 18:44
  my
• 18:44
  position
• 18:44
  before
• 18:45
  that,
• 18:45
  so.
• 18:48
  But.
• 18:50
  I
• 18:51
  feel
• 18:51
  like.
• 18:53
  Coming
• 18:53
  out
• 18:53
  of
• 18:54
  that
• 18:55
  because
• 18:55
  I
• 18:56
  was
• 18:56
  going
• 18:56
  to
• 18:56
  community
• 18:56
  college
• 18:57
  during
• 18:57
  COVID
• 18:59
  I'm
• 18:59
  also,
• 18:59
  I'm
• 18:59
  a
• 18:59
  little
• 19:00
  bit
• 19:00
  older.
• 19:00
  I'm
• 19:00
  25.
• 19:02
  So
• 19:03
  I
• 19:04
  feel
• 19:05
  like
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  group,
• 19:07
  the
• 19:07
  demographic
• 19:08
  I
• 19:08
  was
• 19:08
  in,
• 19:09
  it
• 19:09
  was
• 19:09
  people
• 19:10
  who
• 19:10
  were
• 19:11
  just
• 19:11
  at
• 19:11
  least
• 19:11
  a
• 19:12
  little
• 19:12
  bit
• 19:12
  less
• 19:12
  online
• 19:12
  than
• 19:13
  the
• 19:14
  people
• 19:14
  who
• 19:14
  Are,
• 19:14
  you
• 19:15
  know,
• 19:15
  the
• 19:15
  average
• 19:15
  age
• 19:15
  here
• 19:16
  at
• 19:16
  Sonoma
• 19:16
  now?
• 19:17
  So
• 19:17
  I
• 19:17
  feel
• 19:18
  like
• 19:19
  through
• 19:19
  Covid,
• 19:19
  the
• 19:19
  people
• 19:20
  I
• 19:20
  met
• 19:20
  at
• 19:20
  community
• 19:20
  college
• 19:21
  were
• 19:22
  still
• 19:22
  more
• 19:22
  trying
• 19:23
  to
• 19:23
  do
• 19:23
  stuff
• 19:23
  in
• 19:24
  person
• 19:25
  than
• 19:25
  the
• 19:26
  people
• 19:26
  that
• 19:26
  I
• 19:26
  would
• 19:27
  then
• 19:27
  have
• 19:27
  classes
• 19:28
  with
• 19:28
  at
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  same
• 19:28
  time
• 19:28
  who
• 19:29
  were
• 19:29
  just
• 19:29
  out
• 19:30
  of
• 19:30
  high
• 19:30
  school.
• 19:31
  I
• 19:31
  feel
• 19:31
  like
• 19:31
  people
• 19:32
  who
• 19:32
  are
• 19:32
  just.
• 19:33
  Just
• 19:33
  out
• 19:33
  of
• 19:33
  high
• 19:33
  school
• 19:34
  during
• 19:34
  COVID
• 19:34
  were
• 19:35
  much
• 19:35
  more
• 19:35
  comfortable
• 19:36
  only
• 19:37
  having
• 19:38
  online
• 19:38
  contact.
• 19:41
  Whereas
• 19:42
  people
• 19:42
  my
• 19:42
  age
• 19:42
  were
• 19:42
  still
• 19:43
  trying
• 19:43
  to
• 19:43
  go
• 19:43
  out
• 19:43
  and
• 19:43
  do
• 19:44
  things.
• 19:46
  And,
• 19:46
  Adam,
• 19:47
  how
• 19:47
  old
• 19:48
  were
• 19:48
  your
• 19:48
  kids
• 19:48
  when
• 19:49
  you
• 19:49
  let
• 19:49
  them
• 19:49
  have
• 19:49
  smartphones?
• 19:51
  Yeah,
• 19:52
  they
• 19:52
  were
• 19:52
  about
• 19:52
  the
• 19:52
  same
• 19:52
  age.
• 19:53
  12ish.
• 19:54
  Okay.
• 19:55
  Did
• 19:55
  you
• 19:56
  do
• 19:56
  anything
• 19:57
  to
• 19:57
  prepare
• 19:57
  them.
• 20:01
  As
• 20:01
  a
• 20:01
  parent?
• 20:01
  Yeah,
• 20:02
  it's
• 20:02
  like
• 20:02
  anything
• 20:02
  else
• 20:02
  as
• 20:03
  a
• 20:03
  parent,
• 20:03
  you
• 20:03
  know,
• 20:03
  the.
• 20:04
  You
• 20:04
  weigh
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  cost,
• 20:05
  you
• 20:05
  know,
• 20:05
  benefit
• 20:06
  analysis.
• 20:07
  And
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  have
• 20:08
  them
• 20:08
  be
• 20:08
  connected
• 20:09
  with
• 20:09
  us
• 20:09
  was
• 20:09
  huge.
• 20:10
  Right.
• 20:11
  But
• 20:11
  we
• 20:11
  trusted
• 20:12
  them.
• 20:12
  You
• 20:12
  know,
• 20:12
  we
• 20:13
  trusted
• 20:13
  them,
• 20:13
  and
• 20:13
  it's
• 20:13
  been
• 20:14
  really
• 20:14
  cool
• 20:14
  to
• 20:14
  watch
• 20:15
  them.
• 20:17
  Kind
• 20:17
  of.
• 20:17
  Kind
• 20:18
  of
• 20:18
  earn
• 20:18
  that
• 20:19
  trust
• 20:19
  or
• 20:20
  show
• 20:20
  that
• 20:20
  they
• 20:20
  deserve
• 20:21
  that
• 20:21
  trust
• 20:21
  because
• 20:22
  they.
• 20:23
  They're
• 20:23
  pretty
• 20:23
  good
• 20:23
  on
• 20:24
  there.
• 20:24
  You
• 20:24
  know,
• 20:25
  obviously
• 20:25
  we
• 20:25
  don't
• 20:26
  know
• 20:26
  everything
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  get
• 20:26
  up
• 20:26
  to
• 20:26
  on
• 20:27
  there,
• 20:27
  but
• 20:28
  they.
• 20:29
  They
• 20:30
  have
• 20:30
  a
• 20:30
  good
• 20:30
  head
• 20:30
  on
• 20:30
  their
• 20:31
  shoulders,
• 20:31
  you
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:31
  and
• 20:32
  have
• 20:33
  rarely
• 20:34
  got
• 20:34
  into
• 20:34
  any
• 20:34
  big
• 20:34
  trouble
• 20:35
  on
• 20:35
  there.
• 20:36
  Speaking
• 20:36
  of,
• 20:36
  just
• 20:36
  be
• 20:36
  on
• 20:36
  their
• 20:37
  smartphone
• 20:37
  and
• 20:37
  going
• 20:37
  online,
• 20:38
  you
• 20:38
  know,
• 20:39
  So
• 20:39
  I
• 20:39
  think
• 20:40
  it's
• 20:40
  really
• 20:40
  a
• 20:40
  family
• 20:41
  issue
• 20:41
  is
• 20:41
  a
• 20:41
  big
• 20:41
  part
• 20:42
  of
• 20:42
  it.
• 20:42
  You
• 20:42
  know,
• 20:43
  parents
• 20:43
  need
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  guide.
• 20:44
  Guide
• 20:44
  adolescents
• 20:45
  through
• 20:45
  everything
• 20:46
  that
• 20:46
  they
• 20:46
  encounter
• 20:47
  in
• 20:47
  life,
• 20:48
  you
• 20:48
  know,
• 20:48
  and
• 20:48
  the
• 20:48
  older
• 20:48
  they
• 20:49
  get
• 20:49
  and
• 20:49
  the
• 20:49
  more
• 20:49
  responsibility
• 20:50
  they
• 20:50
  show,
• 20:50
  the
• 20:50
  more
• 20:50
  freedom
• 20:51
  they
• 20:51
  can
• 20:51
  have.
• 20:51
  This
• 20:52
  is
• 20:52
  the
• 20:52
  kind
• 20:52
  of
• 20:52
  thing
• 20:52
  that
• 20:52
  my
• 20:52
  dad
• 20:52
  used
• 20:53
  to
• 20:53
  talk
• 20:53
  about.
• 20:54
  You
• 20:54
  know,
• 20:55
  you.
• 20:55
  You
• 20:55
  get
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  little
• 20:56
  bit
• 20:56
  of
• 20:56
  freedom.
• 20:56
  If
• 20:57
  you
• 20:57
  show
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  can
• 20:58
  handle
• 20:58
  it
• 20:58
  well,
• 20:58
  then
• 20:58
  you
• 20:58
  get
• 20:59
  a
• 20:59
  little
• 20:59
  bit
• 20:59
  more
• 20:59
  freedom.
• 21:00
  If
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  show
• 21:00
  you
• 21:01
  can't
• 21:01
  handle
• 21:01
  it
• 21:01
  well,
• 21:01
  then
• 21:01
  you
• 21:02
  got
• 21:02
  to
• 21:02
  pull
• 21:02
  it
• 21:02
  back
• 21:02
  and
• 21:03
  return
• 21:03
  and
• 21:03
  calm
• 21:03
  things
• 21:04
  down
• 21:04
  a
• 21:04
  little
• 21:04
  bit.
• 21:05
  So
• 21:06
  as
• 21:06
  a
• 21:07
  parent,
• 21:07
  you
• 21:07
  know,
• 21:07
  that's.
• 21:08
  That's
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  big
• 21:08
  takeaway
• 21:09
  for
• 21:09
  me,
• 21:09
  is
• 21:09
  that,
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  know,
• 21:10
  if
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  do.
• 21:11
  If
• 21:11
  you
• 21:11
  put
• 21:11
  in
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  good
• 21:12
  hard
• 21:12
  work
• 21:12
  with
• 21:12
  your
• 21:13
  kids,
• 21:13
  starting
• 21:13
  to
• 21:13
  do
• 21:14
  young
• 21:14
  as
• 21:14
  possible,
• 21:14
  and
• 21:15
  you're
• 21:15
  always
• 21:15
  kind
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  being
• 21:15
  a
• 21:16
  conscientious
• 21:16
  parent,
• 21:17
  mindful
• 21:17
  parenting,
• 21:19
  then
• 21:19
  each
• 21:20
  step
• 21:20
  of
• 21:20
  the
• 21:21
  way,
• 21:21
  your
• 21:21
  child
• 21:22
  should
• 21:22
  have
• 21:23
  more
• 21:23
  tools
• 21:23
  and
• 21:24
  more
• 21:25
  confidence
• 21:25
  and
• 21:26
  more
• 21:26
  ability
• 21:27
  to
• 21:27
  navigate.
• 21:28
  So
• 21:28
  you
• 21:28
  put
• 21:28
  in
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  hard
• 21:29
  work
• 21:29
  early,
• 21:29
  and
• 21:30
  then
• 21:30
  by
• 21:30
  the
• 21:30
  time
• 21:30
  that
• 21:31
  your
• 21:31
  kid
• 21:31
  is
• 21:31
  12,
• 21:32
  that,
• 21:33
  you
• 21:33
  know,
• 21:33
  12,
• 21:34
  13,
• 21:34
  14,
• 21:35
  15,
• 21:35
  it's
• 21:35
  like,
• 21:35
  go
• 21:35
  ahead,
• 21:36
  be
• 21:36
  free.
• 21:37
  You've
• 21:37
  shown
• 21:37
  you've
• 21:38
  earned
• 21:38
  trust,
• 21:39
  and
• 21:39
  you've
• 21:40
  shown
• 21:40
  really
• 21:40
  good
• 21:40
  patterns
• 21:41
  of
• 21:41
  behavior,
• 21:42
  and
• 21:43
  you
• 21:43
  can
• 21:43
  have
• 21:43
  more
• 21:43
  trust,
• 21:44
  you
• 21:44
  can
• 21:44
  have
• 21:44
  more
• 21:44
  freedom.
• 21:45
  So
• 21:45
  that.
• 21:45
  That's
• 21:46
  the
• 21:46
  way
• 21:46
  it
• 21:46
  went
• 21:47
  down
• 21:47
  for
• 21:47
  me.
• 21:47
  I
• 21:48
  guess
• 21:48
  you
• 21:48
  could
• 21:48
  also
• 21:48
  say,
• 21:49
  oh,
• 21:49
  I'm
• 21:49
  just
• 21:49
  blessed.
• 21:50
  Lucky
• 21:51
  that
• 21:51
  I
• 21:51
  have
• 21:51
  great
• 21:51
  kids.
• 21:52
  But
• 21:52
  I
• 21:52
  also
• 21:52
  feel
• 21:52
  like
• 21:53
  we
• 21:53
  put
• 21:53
  a
• 21:53
  lot
• 21:53
  of
• 21:53
  work
• 21:53
  into
• 21:54
  it,
• 21:54
  so.
• 21:54
  Well,
• 21:56
  and
• 21:56
  your
• 21:57
  wife
• 21:57
  is
• 21:57
  a
• 21:57
  special
• 21:57
  ed
• 21:58
  teacher,
• 21:58
  so.
• 21:59
  Right.
• 22:00
  You
• 22:00
  have
• 22:00
  a
• 22:00
  little
• 22:00
  different
• 22:01
  approach.
• 22:02
  But
• 22:02
  what
• 22:02
  do
• 22:03
  you
• 22:03
  guys
• 22:03
  think?
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  mean,
• 22:05
  Peter,
• 22:05
  Colette
• 22:06
  and
• 22:06
  Andrew
• 22:06
  about.
• 22:07
  Are
• 22:07
  people
• 22:07
  starting
• 22:08
  to
• 22:08
  emerge
• 22:09
  from
• 22:09
  this?
• 22:11
  Because
• 22:11
  when
• 22:11
  I
• 22:11
  was
• 22:11
  teaching
• 22:12
  classes
• 22:12
  and
• 22:13
  right
• 22:13
  after
• 22:14
  we
• 22:14
  got
• 22:14
  back
• 22:15
  from
• 22:15
  COVID
• 22:15
  everybody
• 22:16
  seemed
• 22:16
  to
• 22:16
  be
• 22:16
  quite
• 22:17
  withdrawn.
• 22:18
  Are
• 22:18
  the
• 22:18
  people.
• 22:19
  Are.
• 22:19
  Are
• 22:19
  you
• 22:19
  experiencing
• 22:21
  people
• 22:21
  coming
• 22:21
  out
• 22:22
  more?
• 22:22
  A
• 22:22
  bit.
• 22:23
  I
• 22:23
  don't
• 22:24
  think
• 22:24
  they're
• 22:24
  coming
• 22:24
  out
• 22:24
  more.
• 22:25
  I
• 22:25
  don't.
• 22:25
  I
• 22:26
  think.
• 22:27
  Yeah.
• 22:27
  I
• 22:27
  think
• 22:28
  for
• 22:28
  the
• 22:28
  most
• 22:28
  part
• 22:29
  they're
• 22:29
  really
• 22:30
  sticking
• 22:30
  with
• 22:31
  staying
• 22:32
  online
• 22:32
  because
• 22:32
  it's
• 22:33
  just.
• 22:33
  It's
• 22:34
  easier,
• 22:35
  unfortunately.
• 22:36
  Like,
• 22:37
  easier
• 22:37
  than.
• 22:38
  Easier
• 22:39
  than.
• 22:39
  Than
• 22:39
  putting
• 22:40
  yourself
• 22:40
  out
• 22:40
  there.
• 22:42
  Oh,
• 22:43
  easier
• 22:43
  than
• 22:43
  face
• 22:44
  contact.
• 22:45
  Sorry.
• 22:46
  Easier
• 22:47
  than
• 22:47
  face
• 22:47
  to
• 22:47
  face
• 22:48
  contact.
• 22:48
  Yes.
• 22:49
  Yes.
• 22:50
  Really?
• 22:52
  Yeah.
• 22:52
  And
• 22:52
  it's
• 22:53
  even
• 22:53
  just
• 22:53
  like
• 22:54
  in
• 22:54
  classroom
• 22:55
  dynamics,
• 22:57
  like,
• 22:57
  I'm
• 22:58
  obviously
• 22:58
  a
• 22:58
  loudmouth.
• 22:59
  I'll.
• 22:59
  I'll
• 22:59
  raise
• 22:59
  my
• 23:00
  hand
• 23:00
  in
• 23:00
  class
• 23:00
  and
• 23:00
  speak.
• 23:01
  Right.
• 23:01
  But
• 23:01
  then
• 23:02
  like,
• 23:02
  when
• 23:02
  I'm
• 23:03
  talking
• 23:03
  about
• 23:03
  something
• 23:04
  in
• 23:04
  class,
• 23:04
  like,
• 23:04
  nobody
• 23:05
  will
• 23:05
  turn
• 23:05
  to
• 23:05
  look
• 23:05
  at
• 23:05
  me
• 23:06
  and
• 23:06
  I'm
• 23:06
  just
• 23:06
  like.
• 23:06
  I'm
• 23:07
  speaking
• 23:07
  into
• 23:07
  a
• 23:08
  void
• 23:08
  even
• 23:08
  now,
• 23:09
  like,
• 23:09
  I'm
• 23:10
  not
• 23:10
  on
• 23:10
  zoom,
• 23:10
  but
• 23:10
  nobody's
• 23:11
  looking
• 23:11
  at
• 23:11
  me
• 23:11
  still.
• 23:11
  It's
• 23:12
  like.
• 23:12
  And
• 23:13
  they're
• 23:13
  all
• 23:13
  on
• 23:13
  their
• 23:13
  phone.
• 23:13
  Really
• 23:14
  awkward.
• 23:15
  And
• 23:15
  everybody's
• 23:16
  on
• 23:16
  their
• 23:16
  phones.
• 23:16
  Right.
• 23:18
  How
• 23:19
  interesting.
• 23:20
  Yeah,
• 23:20
  but
• 23:20
  that's
• 23:20
  really
• 23:21
  got.
• 23:22
  Go
• 23:22
  ahead.
• 23:22
  It'd
• 23:23
  be
• 23:23
  interesting
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  get
• 23:23
  Haley's
• 23:24
  take
• 23:24
  on
• 23:24
  it
• 23:24
  because
• 23:24
  I
• 23:24
  know
• 23:24
  she's
• 23:25
  in
• 23:25
  the
• 23:25
  Hutchins
• 23:25
  program
• 23:25
  and
• 23:26
  that's
• 23:26
  all
• 23:26
  about
• 23:26
  dialogue
• 23:27
  and
• 23:27
  seminary,
• 23:28
  learning
• 23:28
  how
• 23:28
  to
• 23:29
  speak
• 23:29
  good
• 23:29
  back
• 23:29
  and
• 23:29
  forth
• 23:30
  and
• 23:30
  Socratic
• 23:30
  method.
• 23:31
  So
• 23:31
  I'd
• 23:31
  be
• 23:32
  curious
• 23:32
  to.
• 23:32
  Maybe
• 23:32
  we
• 23:32
  can
• 23:33
  get
• 23:33
  her
• 23:33
  take
• 23:33
  remotely
• 23:33
  online
• 23:34
  at
• 23:34
  some
• 23:34
  point.
• 23:35
  Yeah.
• 23:36
  Well.
• 23:36
  And
• 23:37
  what
• 23:38
  do
• 23:38
  you
• 23:38
  guys
• 23:38
  think,
• 23:38
  Andrew
• 23:38
  and
• 23:39
  Peter?
• 23:40
  Are
• 23:40
  people
• 23:40
  coming
• 23:41
  out
• 23:41
  more?
• 23:43
  I
• 23:43
  would
• 23:44
  say
• 23:44
  I
• 23:45
  kind
• 23:45
  of
• 23:45
  agree
• 23:45
  with
• 23:45
  Colette
• 23:46
  across
• 23:47
  the
• 23:47
  board.
• 23:48
  What.
• 23:49
  What
• 23:49
  I'm.
• 23:49
  The
• 23:49
  only
• 23:50
  thing
• 23:50
  I'm
• 23:50
  really
• 23:50
  seeing
• 23:50
  people
• 23:51
  start
• 23:51
  to
• 23:51
  do
• 23:51
  more
• 23:51
  is
• 23:52
  like
• 23:52
  personal
• 23:53
  space
• 23:53
  stuff.
• 23:53
  People
• 23:54
  are
• 23:54
  kind
• 23:54
  of
• 23:54
  going
• 23:54
  back
• 23:54
  to
• 23:55
  know
• 23:55
  pre
• 23:55
  Covid
• 23:56
  norms.
• 23:56
  Like,
• 23:56
  people
• 23:56
  aren't
• 23:57
  like
• 23:57
  being
• 23:58
  too
• 23:58
  careful
• 23:58
  about.
• 23:58
  Like
• 24:00
  people
• 24:00
  aren't
• 24:00
  like
• 24:01
  trying
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  like
• 24:01
  spread
• 24:01
  out
• 24:01
  as
• 24:02
  they
• 24:02
  pass
• 24:02
  each
• 24:02
  other
• 24:02
  or
• 24:02
  anything.
• 24:03
  But
• 24:04
  that.
• 24:04
  That's
• 24:04
  the
• 24:04
  only
• 24:04
  thing
• 24:04
  I'm
• 24:04
  seeing
• 24:05
  that's
• 24:05
  really
• 24:05
  changing
• 24:06
  back.
• 24:06
  I.
• 24:07
  I
• 24:07
  feel
• 24:07
  like.
• 24:10
  People
• 24:10
  are
• 24:11
  very,
• 24:11
  very
• 24:11
  hesitant
• 24:12
  to.
• 24:14
  Really
• 24:14
  do
• 24:14
  anything
• 24:16
  in
• 24:17
  person.
• 24:18
  So.
• 24:18
  Yeah,
• 24:19
  face
• 24:19
  to
• 24:19
  face
• 24:20
  is
• 24:20
  difficult.
• 24:20
  That's
• 24:21
  also
• 24:21
  the
• 24:22
  interesting.
• 24:22
  Well,
• 24:23
  and
• 24:24
  before
• 24:24
  we're
• 24:25
  done,
• 24:25
  what.
• 24:25
  What
• 24:25
  are
• 24:25
  your
• 24:25
  thoughts,
• 24:26
  Peter?
• 24:27
  So
• 24:28
  in
• 24:28
  my
• 24:29
  view,
• 24:29
  I
• 24:29
  do
• 24:29
  see
• 24:29
  that
• 24:30
  there
• 24:31
  are
• 24:31
  types
• 24:31
  of
• 24:31
  people
• 24:32
  who
• 24:32
  do
• 24:32
  want
• 24:32
  to
• 24:33
  be
• 24:33
  more
• 24:33
  reserved,
• 24:34
  and
• 24:34
  maybe
• 24:34
  they've
• 24:34
  got
• 24:35
  into
• 24:35
  this
• 24:35
  habit
• 24:36
  after
• 24:36
  going
• 24:36
  through
• 24:37
  covet,
• 24:37
  and
• 24:37
  they
• 24:37
  kind
• 24:38
  of
• 24:38
  let
• 24:38
  it
• 24:39
  go
• 24:39
  through
• 24:39
  the
• 24:40
  same
• 24:40
  how
• 24:40
  they've
• 24:41
  gotten
• 24:41
  used
• 24:41
  to.
• 24:42
  But
• 24:42
  I
• 24:42
  do
• 24:43
  really
• 24:43
  think
• 24:43
  that
• 24:45
  for
• 24:45
  me,
• 24:45
  for
• 24:45
  instance,
• 24:46
  I
• 24:46
  do
• 24:46
  really
• 24:46
  prefer
• 24:47
  a
• 24:47
  lot
• 24:47
  more
• 24:47
  in
• 24:47
  person
• 24:48
  contact
• 24:48
  because
• 24:49
  I
• 24:49
  think
• 24:49
  that
• 24:50
  there's
• 24:50
  really
• 24:50
  a
• 24:51
  different
• 24:51
  type
• 24:51
  of
• 24:51
  connection
• 24:52
  and
• 24:53
  social
• 24:53
  interaction
• 24:53
  you
• 24:53
  get
• 24:54
  when
• 24:54
  you
• 24:54
  talk
• 24:54
  to
• 24:55
  people
• 24:55
  face
• 24:55
  to
• 24:55
  face.
• 24:56
  And
• 24:56
  that's
• 24:56
  sort
• 24:57
  of
• 24:57
  a
• 24:57
  habit
• 24:57
  that
• 24:57
  I've
• 24:57
  tried
• 24:58
  to
• 24:58
  develop
• 24:58
  more.
• 24:59
  Whether
• 25:00
  I
• 25:00
  had
• 25:00
  an
• 25:01
  option
• 25:01
  of
• 25:01
  taking
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  course,
• 25:02
  whether
• 25:02
  online
• 25:03
  or
• 25:03
  in
• 25:03
  person,
• 25:03
  I'd
• 25:04
  always
• 25:04
  choose
• 25:04
  to
• 25:04
  do
• 25:05
  it
• 25:05
  in
• 25:05
  person
• 25:05
  first,
• 25:06
  because
• 25:06
  the
• 25:06
  experience
• 25:07
  for
• 25:07
  me
• 25:07
  is
• 25:08
  always
• 25:08
  different.
• 25:09
  But
• 25:09
  it
• 25:09
  really
• 25:09
  takes
• 25:10
  certain
• 25:11
  type
• 25:11
  of
• 25:11
  people
• 25:12
  to
• 25:12
  have
• 25:12
  this
• 25:12
  kind
• 25:12
  of
• 25:12
  perspective.
• 25:13
  And
• 25:14
  I
• 25:14
  do
• 25:14
  think
• 25:14
  that
• 25:14
  we
• 25:15
  can
• 25:15
  get
• 25:15
  more
• 25:15
  in
• 25:15
  this
• 25:15
  direction
• 25:16
  if
• 25:16
  we
• 25:17
  work
• 25:17
  together
• 25:17
  to
• 25:18
  show
• 25:18
  that
• 25:19
  see
• 25:19
  better
• 25:19
  type
• 25:20
  of
• 25:20
  connection
• 25:21
  and
• 25:21
  way
• 25:21
  of
• 25:21
  living,
• 25:22
  if
• 25:22
  we
• 25:22
  can
• 25:23
  interact
• 25:23
  more
• 25:23
  in
• 25:23
  person
• 25:24
  than
• 25:24
  maybe
• 25:25
  we've
• 25:25
  gotten
• 25:26
  used
• 25:26
  to,
• 25:26
  and
• 25:26
  I
• 25:27
  think
• 25:27
  go
• 25:27
  towards
• 25:28
  it.
• 25:28
  Yeah.
• 25:28
  One
• 25:29
  of
• 25:29
  the
• 25:29
  things
• 25:29
  that
• 25:29
  I
• 25:29
  found
• 25:30
  to
• 25:30
  be
• 25:30
  very
• 25:30
  useful
• 25:31
  in
• 25:31
  my
• 25:31
  classes
• 25:32
  was
• 25:33
  getting
• 25:33
  people
• 25:34
  together
• 25:34
  in
• 25:34
  small
• 25:34
  groups.
• 25:35
  And
• 25:35
  you
• 25:36
  had
• 25:36
  this
• 25:36
  experience,
• 25:36
  Colette,
• 25:37
  in
• 25:37
  my
• 25:37
  class,
• 25:37
  and
• 25:39
  it
• 25:39
  happened
• 25:40
  several
• 25:40
  times
• 25:41
  that
• 25:41
  there
• 25:41
  were
• 25:42
  groups
• 25:43
  of
• 25:43
  4,
• 25:43
  5,
• 25:44
  6,
• 25:44
  7
• 25:44
  students
• 25:45
  that
• 25:46
  got
• 25:46
  together,
• 25:46
  as
• 25:47
  in
• 25:47
  the
• 25:47
  small
• 25:47
  group
• 25:48
  in
• 25:48
  my
• 25:48
  class,
• 25:49
  and
• 25:49
  then
• 25:49
  when
• 25:50
  they
• 25:50
  were
• 25:50
  not
• 25:50
  in
• 25:50
  class,
• 25:51
  they
• 25:51
  would
• 25:51
  still
• 25:51
  hang
• 25:51
  out
• 25:52
  together.
• 25:53
  And
• 25:53
  I
• 25:53
  was
• 25:54
  really
• 25:55
  humbled
• 25:56
  and.
• 25:56
  And
• 25:57
  appreciative
• 25:57
  of
• 25:57
  that.
• 25:58
  I
• 25:58
  got
• 26:00
  one
• 26:00
  of
• 26:00
  my
• 26:00
  classes.
• 26:01
  They.
• 26:01
  They
• 26:01
  all
• 26:02
  went
• 26:02
  bowling
• 26:02
  together,
• 26:02
  and
• 26:02
  they
• 26:03
  sent
• 26:03
  me
• 26:03
  a
• 26:03
  selfie
• 26:03
  from
• 26:04
  the
• 26:04
  bowling
• 26:04
  alley
• 26:05
  about
• 26:05
  how
• 26:05
  they
• 26:05
  were
• 26:06
  all
• 26:06
  hanging
• 26:06
  out
• 26:06
  together.
• 26:06
  And
• 26:07
  I
• 26:07
  thought,
• 26:08
  wow,
• 26:08
  that's
• 26:08
  a
• 26:09
  real
• 26:09
  breakthrough.
• 26:10
  And
• 26:10
  they
• 26:10
  were
• 26:11
  really
• 26:11
  enjoying
• 26:12
  their
• 26:13
  time
• 26:13
  together
• 26:14
  as
• 26:14
  friends.
• 26:15
  And
• 26:15
  I
• 26:16
  said,
• 26:16
  okay,
• 26:16
  talk
• 26:17
  to
• 26:17
  your
• 26:17
  parents,
• 26:17
  because
• 26:17
  the
• 26:18
  friends
• 26:18
  you
• 26:18
  make
• 26:18
  in
• 26:18
  college,
• 26:19
  you
• 26:19
  can
• 26:19
  have
• 26:19
  your
• 26:19
  whole
• 26:20
  life
• 26:20
  long.
• 26:20
  And
• 26:21
  it
• 26:21
  happened
• 26:21
  again
• 26:22
  in
• 26:22
  another
• 26:22
  class.
• 26:23
  So
• 26:24
  I
• 26:24
  really
• 26:24
  think
• 26:24
  it's
• 26:25
  important
• 26:26
  to
• 26:26
  get
• 26:26
  people
• 26:26
  together
• 26:27
  in
• 26:27
  small
• 26:27
  groups
• 26:28
  because
• 26:29
  then
• 26:29
  it
• 26:29
  changes
• 26:30
  that,
• 26:30
  that
• 26:31
  dynamic,
• 26:31
  that
• 26:32
  habit
• 26:32
  of
• 26:33
  just
• 26:33
  being
• 26:33
  online,
• 26:34
  so.
• 26:35
  Well,
• 26:35
  we're
• 26:36
  at
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  end
• 26:36
  of
• 26:36
  the
• 26:36
  hour,
• 26:38
  and
• 26:38
  I'm
• 26:38
  very
• 26:38
  grateful
• 26:39
  for
• 26:39
  you
• 26:39
  all
• 26:40
  to
• 26:40
  be
• 26:40
  here.
• 26:41
  Any
• 26:42
  final
• 26:42
  thoughts,
• 26:43
  you
• 26:43
  guys,
• 26:43
  before
• 26:43
  we're
• 26:43
  done?
• 26:45
  Philosophy
• 26:46
  club
• 26:46
  is
• 26:46
  the
• 26:46
  greatest
• 26:47
  small
• 26:47
  group
• 26:47
  of
• 26:48
  in
• 26:48
  person
• 26:50
  hanging
• 26:50
  out.
• 26:51
  Dude,
• 26:51
  these
• 26:51
  guys
• 26:52
  are
• 26:52
  great.
• 26:52
  I
• 26:52
  love.
• 26:53
  I
• 26:53
  love
• 26:53
  the
• 26:53
  philosophy.
• 26:55
  On
• 26:56
  the
• 26:56
  grass
• 26:56
  between
• 26:56
  the
• 26:57
  library
• 26:57
  and
• 26:57
  the
• 26:57
  student
• 26:58
  center.
• 26:58
  Yep,
• 26:59
  they're
• 26:59
  all
• 26:59
  coming
• 26:59
  to
• 27:00
  harass
• 27:00
  you.
• 27:00
  And
• 27:00
  wonderful.
• 27:03
  Adam,
• 27:03
  how
• 27:04
  can
• 27:04
  people
• 27:04
  contact
• 27:04
  you?
• 27:05
  I
• 27:06
  think
• 27:06
  the
• 27:06
  best
• 27:06
  way
• 27:06
  now
• 27:07
  to
• 27:07
  contact
• 27:07
  us
• 27:07
  is
• 27:08
  actually
• 27:08
  just
• 27:08
  to
• 27:08
  go
• 27:08
  onto
• 27:09
  YouTube
• 27:09
  and
• 27:09
  look
• 27:10
  up
• 27:10
  Living
• 27:10
  Conversation
• 27:11
  or
• 27:11
  Adam
• 27:11
  deets
• 27:12
  and
• 27:12
  just
• 27:12
  go
• 27:12
  into
• 27:13
  the
• 27:13
  comments
• 27:13
  section.
• 27:13
  That's.
• 27:14
  I
• 27:14
  think
• 27:14
  that
• 27:14
  would
• 27:14
  be
• 27:14
  the
• 27:14
  best
• 27:15
  way.
• 27:15
  Okay.
• 27:16
  And
• 27:17
  how
• 27:17
  about
• 27:17
  you
• 27:17
  guys?
• 27:19
  Yeah,
• 27:19
  we're
• 27:19
  on
• 27:20
  Instagram.
• 27:20
  Ssu
• 27:21
  Philosophy
• 27:21
  Club.
• 27:22
  Reach
• 27:22
  out
• 27:22
  anytime.
• 27:23
  Okay.
• 27:23
  And
• 27:24
  I
• 27:24
  am
• 27:24
  on
• 27:25
  my
• 27:26
  website.
• 27:26
  Is
• 27:26
  Theonaut
• 27:27
  not
• 27:28
  an
• 27:28
  astronaut,
• 27:28
  but
• 27:29
  I'm
• 27:29
  a
• 27:29
  theonaut.
• 27:29
  T-H-E-O-N-A-U-T.com
• 27:32
  and
• 27:32
  there's
• 27:32
  a
• 27:32
  comment
• 27:33
  section
• 27:33
  there.
• 27:34
  Well,
• 27:34
  thank
• 27:34
  you
• 27:34
  all
• 27:35
  for
• 27:35
  being
• 27:35
  here,
• 27:35
  and
• 27:36
  thank
• 27:36
  you
• 27:37
  on
• 27:37
  the
• 27:37
  radio
• 27:37
  for
• 27:37
  listening,
• 27:38
  and
• 27:39
  we
• 27:39
  will
• 27:40
  see
• 27:40
  you
• 27:40
  next
• 27:40
  time.
• 27:42
  All
• 27:42
  right.
• 27:43
  Wow.
• 27:43
  Well,
• 27:43
  thank
• 27:43
  you
• 27:44
  so
• 27:44
  much,
• 27:44
  you
• 27:44
  guys.
• 27:44
  And
• 27:45
  I'm
• 27:45
  gonna.