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Unlocking The Magic of Self-Transformation: The Huna Philosophy And The Power Of Pattern Recognition, Forgiveness, And Thought Energy With Tina Erwin · Mindful You

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Alan Carroll: Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the mindful you
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podcast. I'm Alan Carroll. I'm your host. And today I
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interviewed Tina, Erwin. And Tina is a psychic. Meaning that
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there's the physical world and the metaphysical world. And she
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is able to go back and forth from the physical world to the
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metaphysical world. And for the last studied metaphysics for
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gaining insight into mystical Worlds of Magic, spirituality.
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She's written eight books on metaphysics. And her writings
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come from a intense desire to know and understand the hard
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science, not the woowoo science, but the hard science, behind the
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unseen world of action and reaction, combined with his
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sincere desire to share this understanding with other
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knowledge seekers. And so that's part of her biography. Another
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part of her biography is, she was an officer in the United
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States, submarine, Navy sub submarines for 20 years. She was
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one of the first female officers on submarines. And she said,
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often, she would notice that a lot of the decisions that were
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made by captains are sometimes intuitive, not by the book, like
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they were able to connect with something greater than
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themselves. So she combines that military discipline and show me
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facts. And she combines that and marries it to the metaphysical,
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wonderful, healer, wonderful insights. And so it is just
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exciting to be able to have her on on the show, and for her to
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be able to share her wisdom from years and years of experience.
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So please welcome Tina Irwin to the mindful you, podcast. Thank
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you. Tina, welcome to the podcast. Thank
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Tina Erwin: you so much, Alan, for having me. I'm really
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delighted to be here.
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Alan Carroll: Oh, the opportunity of having a
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conversation with someone who has such rich experiences is a
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gift. And in our conversation we had before, we were talking
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about the importance of of the discipline. And that came from
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our conversation of you being a career military officer. So you
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have that background and just like to jump a little bit into
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your background, and then sort of let our audience feel a
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little bit of the evolution that you've gone through that has
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brought you to where you are right now and this level of
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awareness and consciousness.
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Unknown: Well, thank you for that opportunity. I joined the
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Navy in 1972. Because you really couldn't get hired at a decent
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salary. You know, I graduated with a degree in Industrial
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Relations, and nobody would hire me. And I didn't want to be a
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martyr. Martyrs lead a really awful life. And I wanted to have
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some fun. And so I thought, gee, I'll see if I can join the Navy.
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And I did. I was their first female officer and in a really,
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really long time from the state of North Carolina where I was
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living. And my first day at my first duty station, I met my
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husband, and we were both stationed at submarine base, New
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London, and I received it for all the crypto gear for all six
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CDA class new construction submarines. And then eventually,
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I was the first female officer in the history of submarine
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school. I taught the sealed authenticator system which tells
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the commanding officer of a submarine how to authenticate
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the message that says to launch a missile. So the Navy provides
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you with an astonishing amount of responsibility really, really
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early. And you get to meet some of the most remarkable men you
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could ever imagine. real patriots. People who care
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brilliant, brilliant minds. And I mean, if you're pretty weak,
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they just eat you for lunch. So I had a blast. And I learned
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that when you are on a submarine, you have to feel the
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ship. It doesn't matter whether it's a submarine or a surface
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ship. These are men who have gut instincts. And it's those gut
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instincts that save lives. They, these are men who listen to
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something, they wouldn't call it a higher self, or they don't
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have a fancy name. But it's the same thing. And I have a deep
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and abiding respect for these men, including my own husband,
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just spent 42 years at Sei. And these men would tell you, I had
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a bad feeling about this, or I knew something was gonna happen.
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And some of them told me, some of them actually saved. i
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There's one astonishing story where this guy saved 129 lives,
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because he listened to something that was not quantifiable. And
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he changed history. And when you are observing these things, you
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don't go oh, well, that's neat. You go, but wait a minute. That
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is amazing. These aren't psychic guys, they would never use such
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a term. And I, I wouldn't use that term with them. I would
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respect that they had a feeling and that they, they paid
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attention to it. I had one captain of a submarine knew I'd
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known for years and years. I mean, I, I made friends with all
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these guys. Because they taught me so many things. Gosh, I mean,
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when a school house. And he said, You know, I knew my
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navigator was bad. I did everything in my power to remove
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him from my ship. I told Admiral Rickover, I documented it. And
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when we hit that Russian submarine, I had a bad feeling
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something was gonna happen. And so when you start listening to
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what these men experienced, you know, without saying, Oh, well,
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I don't know if I believe that, instead of discounting it. You
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listen on another level. And you learn how, when you deliberately
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submerge a billion dollar vessel with 100, between 125 to 150
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lives depending on whether it's a fast attack or ballistic
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missile submarine. You had better know what you're doing.
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You could better feel your crew. What is that if it's not a
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spiritual part of you, that is not quantifiable. And so that's
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what got me started. I've always been a psychic person from the
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time I was a little kid. It's not like you're running around
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talking about it, especially in the military, people think
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you're crazy. But there are, there are a lot of really,
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really intuitive human beings that are in the military. And
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one of the most famous was a General George C. Patton.
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Patton, frequently spoke to God, Patton had Patton had amazing
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experiences. And I am a student of history. And when you look at
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the how so many of these men in horrendous situations, called
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upon God, not spirit, but God, God, please help me in this
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moment. It is amazing. I also studied survivors, I studied the
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stories of survivors of the Holocaust, and World War Two.
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And when I, there were some of those, especially men who were
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futurists, they had to believe there was going to be a future
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beyond the moment they were in. And they held on so tight to
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that spiritual future. They survived when others gave up and
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died of depression, loneliness, and terror because the Nazis
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were terrifying. Have a frog in my boots voice?
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Alan Carroll: No worries. No worries. Take a breath.
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Unknown: Ah, so that's how I got started on this path because I'm
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a person who studies everything. How does the submarine work? How
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does the mind work? And my mother worked for a psychiatrist
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for seven years. And she discussed every single case with
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me when I was in high school. So I have a somewhat unusual
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background, which really benefited me in the Navy.
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Because I could, I could quickly identify a variety of different
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types of character disorders. And or whether or not someone
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was psychotic and whether or not they were dangerous. So that
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when I referred them to, you know, a professional, you know,
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in a military hospital, I could speak a language, that would
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mean I would be taken seriously. And this person would receive
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the help that they needed. The military is only about people.
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And it's only about how people relate to a belief in
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themselves. And if you have no belief, beyond that, there's
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nothing else but this, there is a loneliness that pervades the
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soul. And I, I began to see that and what the military gives
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people is a belief in something greater than yourself.
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corporations can't do that. People who have private
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businesses or consulting firms or private practice, they
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believe in something more than themselves, especially their
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clients. I have a lot of private clients than when when you are
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part of a team and I love that I love my wardroom I loved I had
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150 men work for me at any given time. Sometimes I had a lot of
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women too, but mostly it was just men. And they had the same
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problems that anybody else has. They had an illness in the
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family or their wife had a problem or somebody has an
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alcoholic or there's a drug problem, or they were sexually
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abused or fill in the blank. And what they need, it isn't
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necessarily a military solution. It's a human solution. And I'll
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give you one of my favorite examples. I was executive
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officer for a submarine training facility in San Diego. And we
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had this guy who's a big guy. I mean, he had muscles, he had the
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slips his sleeves. He's such a big man, who's our sailor of the
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quarter. He just beat the bejesus out of his wife. Well,
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we sent him to anger management school, we sent him to
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psychiatric care, and we did all of these things. So one day, he
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comes in, he sits at my desk and he says, Commander, what's the
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big deal? So I beat my wife, nobody's perfect. And, and the
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female in me, wanted to just reach out and strangle him. That
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would be the that's the truth.
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But the better part of me sat back. He wasn't being
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disrespectful to me. In that moment, he was honest. And I
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said, petty officer, whatever your name is, did your daddy
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beat you?
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He said, Yes, ma'am. He beat me every day, but good. And I said,
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Did your grandfather beat your dad? Yes, ma'am. Hey, Tam, his
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huddle. He used to tell me how badly he was beaten. And then I
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waited, you know, you know, way to beat and he looked at me and
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he said, Doesn't everybody get beaten when they grow up? I
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said, No, it's called assault. And if somebody beat your wife
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on the street, like you beat her, they will be put in prison
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for assault. And if you continue to beat your wife, and you have
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an adorable little girl, for 1000 years, your family will
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continue to beat each other. Unless you have the power and
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the courage to change. And I can send you to 1000 schools, but
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that change has to come from inside of you. You have to want
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to change the future for 1000 years. Do you have the courage
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and the strength within you to do that? And he looked at me and
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he blinked and he said I I never looked at it that way. Nobody
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ever explained it like that. Why did they ever talk to me like
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that? I said, I don't know. But I I can hear you. I can hear
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that you're not a bad man. You're just part of a pattern.
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And it's the bad pattern that has to be changed. So if you
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separate the goodness of the person from the pattern, then
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you give the individual the opportunity to save enough face
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to be able to change. Now I would love to tell you that he
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never He his wife again. But two weeks later, he got transferred.
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And I don't know what happened. But I like to believe that
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perhaps in that moment, something shifted for him. So
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that's how I got started on all this.
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Alan Carroll: That's a That's a beautiful story. tears coming to
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my eyes very, very beautiful. You, you said the ability to
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separate yourself from the pattern. Let's talk about the
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level of awareness, you have to be to have the realization that
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you're in a pattern in order to separate yourself from the
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pattern.
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Unknown: I liken it to having a starfish on your forehead like
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this. You have a starfish on your face, you're so used to
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looking around the arms of the starfish, you can't see it's
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kind of sucking you dry. So you need someone outside of yourself
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to come up and say, excuse me, you got a starfish on your head?
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Can I help you with it? Let's take it off and and put it down
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over here. Now what's your view like? Oh my gosh, I can see so
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much better. And if I work with a client, I help them go back
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and back and back to understand the longevity of the pattern,
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what their victimization and or role is in the pattern and what
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steps they can take to change it. And this is spiritual
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progress. Because many times a pattern has gone on for
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lifetimes I do past life regressions do. People are
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murdered by the same person life after life. They're raped by the
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same person life after life after life. I studied Edith
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theories work and Raymond Moody and Bruce Kohlberg. All these
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amazing people. When you look at what that historical foundation
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is, we can change our future if we can create an awareness that
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we have that power
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Alan Carroll: can create, we can change the future if we have
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awareness that we have the power, the power to do what
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Unknown: the power to recognize the pattern, and then change it.
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So
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Alan Carroll: to be able to recognize something going on in
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this moment of now requires you to be able to be a space between
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you and the something that you're that you're looking at.
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Unknown: That's correct. Okay. And it also requires someone to
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gently point out that what you thought was real, might have a
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different interpretation. And I've had so many clients who are
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so abused, I have a lot of women who never had children, because
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they were so horribly sexually abused that they, they needed to
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heal themselves. So I give them a great deal of credit for not
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wanting to perpetrate additional abuse on a child when they
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hadn't healed themselves. Because the subconscious of an
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individual is frozen at their earliest trauma. That's a really
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powerful statement, which I have been working with the
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subconscious of, you know, 1000s of clients. If the subconscious
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of a person is frozen at the age of their earliest trauma, and
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I'll use my father as an example. When my father was six,
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his father went to Paris for the National Exhibition or the Paris
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World's Fair. And he died there. So his father died, he never saw
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him again. His mother came to America to set up shop, and he
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was given to his grandmother who beat him every day. My father
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was frozen at the age of seven. He didn't have either parent for
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a long time, and the grandparent he had was abusive. And he was a
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child in a big body, so much of his life. And God bless him. He
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tried, he really tried. And the insecurity he felt was so
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difficult to overcome. He's one of the one of the things we all
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have to understand is the impact our parents have on us. There
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are no perfect parents. I love Mitch albums book, the five
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people you meet in heaven. And in the early stages of his book,
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he says all parents damaged their children. Just some
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parents do it worse than others. I'm sure you've heard of Mitch,
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remarkable author. I read a lot of authors. And it's everyone
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offers you something.
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Alan Carroll: That's right. That's right.
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Unknown: And when I'm, I look at my father, or I look at the
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things that happened to my mother, and they they were in
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resonance with each other. She was abused as a child, her
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father was horribly abusive. Her mother was a private duty nurse,
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and she was always gone. So here you have two people who were
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abused, they had the same resonant frequency of somewhat
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of abuse. Now they're married. They did not abuse their four
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children, for which I am truly grateful. I didn't mean we had
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perfect childhoods. But to their credit, they really, really
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tried to provide us with better childhoods than they had You
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bet. And so to a degree, they were able to separate what
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happened to them for perpetrating it on all of us.
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And isn't that the hope each of us have, when we have children
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will, we'll be able to provide more or better or more stable
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for our children than we had. So when I'm working with a client,
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especially someone who has been abused, and sexual abuse is the
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Hmong, the most hideous and if we're going to talk metaphysics,
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sexual abuse is an initiation into the dark side. Because it
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is a it is a power center in the body. And if you study all of
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the elements that come with metaphysics, you also have it's
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like a doctor has to look at germs, bacteria, viruses, and
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mold. How do they infiltrate the body? And what's the long term
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effect? The long term effect of child abuse, especially sexual
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abuse, is that it separates the child from their higher self. It
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separates the subconscious is the gatekeeper to higher self.
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If you have frozen that subconscious at the age of that
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hideous trauma, that subconscious sometimes hides,
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very difficult for that subconscious then to connect to
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higher self. Because the subconscious is the gatekeeper.
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And this was astonishing to me, because I, you know, I work
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with, I help people understand they have a conscious and
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subconscious and superconscious. And if you want to be on the
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spiritual path, you have to know how to contact your
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superconscious your higher self. This is some great mystical
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thing. Not really, it's much more straightforward. I mean, it
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doesn't have to be mystical. I mean, you can make it mystical.
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But if you're really honest, it's pretty straightforward. And
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the process I use goes back to a tradition that goes back to the
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original 12 tribes, which is Hoonah. Have you ever heard of
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Hoonah? Ah, una? No. I actually brought this book. It's called
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Hoonah. A Beginner's Guide by Enid Hoffman. I don't know what
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beginner she's talking about, because this is not for the
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faint hearted. But one of my teachers introduced me to
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Hoonah. There is only one sin in the Hoonah tradition, which is a
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Hawaiian tradition, the great Kahuna. It goes all the way back
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to the original, some of the original beings on the planet.
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And the laws that they set down for human beings to follow to
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lead happy and prosperous lives, included the element of
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spirituality, and continuing to connect to the higher self and
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our connections to God. I'm not a person who uses the word
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spirit. Spirit is alcohol. If you're going to if you're going
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to connect, be specific. So in the Hoonah tradition, there's
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only one sin and that's hurting one of the three selves, your
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conscious, your subconscious and your superconscious. If you
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You're constantly saying I'm dumb, I'm stupid. You know, I
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knew a mom who was constantly telling her a little girl, she
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was a fatty, she was a little hippo, she's a baby elephant. So
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the girl was enormous. She grew up to be what her mother
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believed about her. And when the conscious self can't see itself
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as, as whole, perfect and complete, that's a problem. The
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job of the subconscious is to keep you alive, your eyes,
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blink, your heartbeat, the blood to flow. And the conscious self
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develops all the plans for your life, I'm going to go do this,
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I'm going to go do that. But you don't get very far unless you
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have a relationship with your subconscious. And one of the
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things I teach clients is how to build that relationship with
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their subconscious. Your subconscious helps you remember
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things, your subconscious warns you don't do that. And as you
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begin to honor that part of you that unsung hero inside of you,
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you get this door opening to the light of the Divine and higher
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cell. As you engage in more prayer, this is outside the
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confines of religion and dogma and scripture, this is the most
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basic element of the priesthood of all believers, you should be
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able to pray to God without an intermediary, that thank you,
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Martin Luther for that. And when a client is able to understand
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that they have that power, and you have reinvigorated their
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subconscious, and you've worked to heal their conscious self,
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then the client can begin to make some powerful changes. Not
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everyone can do that, it requires a great deal of insight
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and willingness to face some really tough things. But if you
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can do it, you can change your life
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Alan Carroll: so so rich, so rich, like eating cake. Very,
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very rich, and also very, very clear. It's I liked I liked the
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clarity of your of your speaking about something that's abstract,
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that's really a, it's really a gift to be able to frame it in
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different ways. And I, I, I'm a big fan of the creating the
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buffer zone of space. And to me, the creation of space requires
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you to have to take something out in order to create the
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space. And so that's the but the key is observation of what what
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that something is outside of the pattern. And my favorite movie
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is the is the matrix one where they use the red pill in order
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to get Neo outside of the thought of the matrix to wake
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up. And to me waking up is like a lucid dream. Where you dream
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at night dream a dream a dream and then once in a while home
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you wake up in the dream and that was a altering of
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consciousness that was just gave me tingles, I always thought
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it'd be nice to have lucid dreams and I when you were
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talking about the the captain of the ship, intuitively, I use the
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word intuitively sensing something beyond the physical
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reality of logic to me it's the more still you become in
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speaking the more still you become physically the calmer you
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are and it's like the leaves are settling down and the wind is no
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longer blowing and things are settling and settling down and
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and then that to me creates a word curtain comes up in my
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mind's eye a curtain between myself and the the metaphysical
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that curtain begins to fade away and in my ego seems to fade away
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to as I as I shift from that and when I was reading your bio i i
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was i want to do talk about the black magic and the white magic
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and and you also you introduced it a little bit earlier saying
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the dark side the the child sexual molestation of children
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is is part of the dark the dark side. And so I'd like to just
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hear you talk a little bit about white magic and black magic.
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Unknown: Well, all thought is energy. Basically all thought is
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a form of magic because it's it crea ate? What do you think you
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create? And what's
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Alan Carroll: going on? I know you want to go slow on that one.
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That was like a home run. So I want to I want to make sure
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people understood that was this a home run? Go ahead and spend
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some more time.
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Unknown: When you are thinking about something, it is part of a
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creative process. I started with a remarkable man named Dr.
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Abraham Kareem. He was the founder of biogeometry. I just
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adore this man. And he talked about creation. In a way I'd
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never heard anyone discuss it. I'm an art freak, I have
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hundreds and hundreds of paintings. And there is a
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creative element to all of the art that surrounds me. And what
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Dr. Karim explained, and I am trying to be really careful, I
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give credit to the people whose original idea of was. So if
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someone wants to look it up, they are certainly welcome.
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Don't just believe me, do your own due diligence. When you
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create, you connect to God. My father was a furniture designer.
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And when he was designing beautiful furniture he would
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have on Mozart and Chopin and Schumann and Bach, Beethoven,
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because the frequency of the music, it's like it opened up
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the pathways for him to feel the divine, live within him. And he
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created beautiful things. And when that happened, he was an
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amazing designer. And so when I look at every piece of art I
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have on the wall, whether it's a photograph, or a painting, or
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sculpture or bronze, the artist is sharing with me their
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connection to the divine, that thought that creation is divine.
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And the more beautiful it is, the higher the frequency.
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There's a whole dissertation on frequency. And when you are
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thinking, your thoughts, program, your cells, and the
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person who did the work on this, who also worked with Dr. Karim,
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briefly, was Dr. Masaru, Emoto, who wrote messages from water.
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And Dr. Emoto proved that words impact the water in our cells.
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And when we say You are beautiful, or your work is
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wonderful, or I love you, the cell, the water in the cells is
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charged with light. But when someone says I hate you, or
33:02
they're abusing you, or it's a terrible word, Dr. Emoto proved
33:08
that it causes a distortion of the water molecules. This is
33:13
about as hard science as you're going to ever get. So all
33:18
thought is energy. How am I doing so far? Oh, I
33:21
Alan Carroll: love it. I use the paintbrush on the canvas, trying
33:28
to explain that if I can control the thoughts, I control the
33:31
paintbrush that paints the 35 millimeter slide that then I
33:35
project onto the reality in which I'm looking at. And that's
33:38
exactly right. Yep. So go I'm right with you. I love it.
33:43
Unknown: Well, when you are creating a thought, If all
33:50
you've ever heard as a child are negative things. And one woman
33:55
who was just her father beat her every day, she was six one, the
33:59
tall, she's beautiful woman just tall. And I do a group. I did it
34:07
for years, a monthly group called Light times and we would
34:09
come and discuss metaphysical topics. And I wrote all the
34:12
handout I wrote 70 different notes for all different topics.
34:18
And as she was leaving, I heard this voice say ask her if she
34:21
wants an appointment and and I kept my foot on the line of
34:25
spiritual law because you can't tell somebody they need to have
34:29
an appointment with you. But someone said, If she leaves,
34:33
she'll kill herself. You have to say something. They said, Have
34:38
you have you ever considered maybe we should work together? I
34:40
have an opening next week and she said yes. Yes. Oh, I would
34:46
love to do that. said okay. And she went home. She didn't kill
34:51
herself at night. And she told me that was her plan let him
34:54
years later. And in this woman's story, she had been so abused by
35:00
her father, he was this horrible, horrible man. And
35:03
she'd been to I don't know how many different people for help.
35:08
And they all told her her husband was the problem. So I
35:13
asked her if I could speak to her husband, and she adored him.
35:18
He was the sweetest, kindest man. And I just didn't
35:20
understand why everyone kept saying he was the problem. He
35:22
wasn't. Her father and her mother were the problem. And I,
35:28
when we're sitting, talking face to face, I asked her, I said,
35:34
when your father beat you, what did your mother do? She didn't
35:39
say anything. And they said, when your father was beating
35:43
your sister into mental retardation because of Shaken
35:47
Baby Syndrome, which he did, which he should have been sent
35:50
to prison for assault, what did your mother do? She just stood
35:54
there. When I was crying in the closet, she would come and stand
35:59
over me and say, I must have deserved it. Because that's why
36:02
he beat me. I said, Did she ever once comfort you in any way? No,
36:08
she'd leave him sometimes. But we'd always come back. I grew to
36:12
be six foot one, and he couldn't beat me anymore, because I was
36:15
taller than he was. And only then, but he leaves me alone. I
36:21
was covered with black and blue marks. And this principal and
36:25
the teacher were horrified. But my mother begged them not to say
36:29
anything. And then he just kept beating me. And I said, I need
36:35
and she said, you know, and I just love my mother so much. And
36:39
I so I, I'm going to kind of break this bubble a little bit.
36:42
Problem is not your husband. And ironically, it's not your
36:46
father. Your mother is the biggest abuser because it's the
36:51
sin of omission. She stood there and watched him brutalize two
36:57
children. And she did nothing, absolutely nothing to defend
37:03
you. And she always came back for the abuse. Your mother is
37:10
the largest abuser. And I have a feeling you've been angry at her
37:15
for a really long time. And it's like, you know, I pulled a
37:20
little thing out of the dam, and bam, all this emotion came out.
37:27
And I said, Do you have any photographs of your father as a
37:31
child? She said, I do. I don't do this with every client. But I
37:37
did it with her. She brought all of her family photos. So we went
37:41
back a couple generations, and we look at the children. And we
37:45
can identify the date, the age, they all all of the abuse
37:49
started because I said do you see it in their faces? This is
37:53
generational. And it's wrong. All of this is wrong. What they
37:59
did to you was wrong. She said really? And and then I did this
38:05
odd thing. I said, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, this happened to
38:11
you. You didn't deserve those things. And again, it's like I
38:15
pushed a button and the tears came. I want you to know I think
38:20
you are the finest, most wonderful person, the sweetest,
38:24
kindest person and you didn't beat your children did you know
38:28
and I said, and you're such a good person that you married the
38:32
finest husband, you could have married, he's been with you.
38:35
He's been loyal and true to you. And it hasn't been easy. And
38:41
it's just this acknowledgement of how hard it's been for her.
38:47
It's just feeling that she could be loved. And that what her
38:52
mother did was not love. It was the worst abuse. She never stood
39:01
up to him. And I said that was your mother's challenge. That
39:05
was one of the biggest things she was here to do in this
39:07
lifetime. She just didn't choose to do it. She didn't choose to
39:13
take that opportunity. That is not your fault. You gave her
39:18
ample opportunities. And so did your sister who's now in a group
39:21
Oh, because she, her brain is fried. And you have been a loyal
39:28
sister to her. And we resolved so many issues. There were
39:36
lawsuits or all these horrible things and one by one. As she
39:40
healed all these other separate little things began to heal.
39:45
Slowly but surely. In an age time, I would remind her because
39:51
it was the truth. I'm not making this up. She's a really good
39:55
person. She was a wonderful wife, a loving mother A genuine
40:01
friend. And as she began, it's like I'm healing all those
40:06
little water molecules inside of her with the gentleness of
40:10
words. Her husband had been trying to do it. He needed
40:16
someone in his court and he and I started to work together, like
40:22
a, a combined action. And their marriage became significantly
40:29
better. Her happiness became better. They began to go out to
40:34
do different things, and she did not ever kill herself. And that
40:42
sounds like a small accomplishment, but for her to
40:45
have live for her to live a whole life. And she said to me,
40:52
do I have to forgive them, and I said, I'm not the forgiveness
40:56
place. Forgiveness, calm, comes at a moment in time, when you're
41:04
ready, you can't order it, you can't legislate it. It has to
41:08
happen at a time and place that works for you. The Jews forgave
41:15
the Nazis, because they said it set them free. They weren't
41:18
forever the prisoner of the Nazis. But they didn't forget.
41:23
And that's a key point, just because forgiveness isn't a free
41:27
pass, oh, well, I forgive you. So you could do it again, and
41:29
understand what that means, means you set yourself free,
41:33
what that person did earn them the karma of their actions, your
41:38
forgiveness doesn't change the karma that is earned for that
41:43
particular set of actions. So that's where I'm going with
41:50
that.
41:51
Alan Carroll: The, the idea of sin, and the idea of salvation,
41:57
the forgiveness of sin, is clearly stated several places
42:02
all over in the Bible. And the key to forget, the key to
42:06
salvation is forgiveness, forgiveness of what, for me, it
42:11
must be in my movie that I'm painting in my mind, I have
42:16
these brown spots where I hold grievances about what happened
42:21
to me. And, and that becomes my identity. And, and I'm in the
42:26
preservation of my identity business, not the letting go of
42:29
my identity business. So how do you get people to the letting go
42:34
of the identity in order to practice the forgiveness when
42:37
it's appropriate?
42:39
Unknown: I would say that's a real challenge. And no one lives
42:45
a life without being hurt, without being betrayed, without
42:51
being abused in some way, without experience. When you
42:58
don't need an experience anymore, it just stops
43:00
happening. I mean, that's kind of a spiritual law. You have
43:05
experiences so you can learn from them. When you've taken
43:09
every last ounce, you feel like you can learn from them, then
43:14
you can recount as difficult as it was the value of the
43:22
experience. When you are conscious of the value of the
43:26
experience, then it opens a doorway for you to then forgive
43:34
the person that perpetrated it. And I like I said, I don't know
43:41
if anyone who can go through a mortal life, or multiple lives
43:46
and not have difficult experiences. And we live life
43:50
after life after life so that we can work through them all. And
43:55
remember, I was so angry one time and my one of my teachers
44:01
said, you have to get this right this lifetime, you have to
44:03
resolve this. I was really angry at my mother in law. Because I
44:09
knew I had conscious memory that she was responsible for my death
44:14
in a previous life. And it was crystal clear. It wasn't like
44:19
somebody told me and I could see it when a lot of people have
44:23
memory of previous lives.
44:24
Alan Carroll: But that's a psychic quality psychics are
44:26
able to do things like that. Yes, well, I
44:29
Unknown: have that. I have somewhat of that ability. Yes.
44:33
And, but I didn't tell her that she just hated me on site. And I
44:39
saw I saw her I started vomiting. And it was not. It was
44:46
my subconscious recognizing a previous threat. So because of
44:54
all of the studies and then I was working with my teacher He
45:00
said, How many lifetimes are you going to go before you come to
45:03
terms with this woman? You have to figure this out. And I
45:09
realized I was holding rage. No one is exempt from this
45:14
certainly not me. I was holding this rage from a past life. And
45:20
she wasn't much better this life. What she was turned out to
45:25
be an opportunity. You there are certain again, spiritual laws,
45:31
you can't change anyone else, you can only change yourself.
45:35
You can't want something from someone else that they don't
45:38
want for themselves. And you can't want something from
45:42
someone they have no capacity to give you. Those are those are
45:46
given hard, fast rules. And what I realized, took me to working
45:54
with him, it took me a little while and then I realized that
45:58
she really had no power over me anymore as wearing the ruby
46:03
slippers, and I forgot that I had them on.
46:07
And that she had no power anymore. And that she wasn't
46:12
going to kill me this lifetime.
46:16
She's just didn't like me, okay, I wasn't her choice. I get it.
46:23
And we hadn't spoken to her in 14 years, as my daughter says, I
46:27
gave new meaning to timeout, she did something I felt was pretty
46:31
unforgivable. So what we, what we did was, I didn't like who I
46:38
was, when I was near her, it's like, my whole personality
46:41
changed. And I felt that if we didn't have contact, that I
46:47
could find some way to come to terms with who she was, and how
46:52
to have a relationship with her. in cosmic time, that's actually
46:56
pretty quick. And we did, we, we did reach out to her, set up
47:04
some ground rules, and we rebuilt the relationship with
47:07
with each other that my husband and and she and I. And we were
47:14
able to establish some ground rules that worked. And she was
47:19
able to tell me that she loved me. And I was able to say that I
47:23
loved her too. And it turns out, she was very generous to our
47:27
children. And she, she changed, not because I made her change,
47:36
but because I changed, right. Right. And, and I'm sharing that
47:40
story because, you know, and I didn't go to perfect school, I
47:45
came to mortal school. And that makes that makes a difference.
47:50
She, she didn't say she was still pretty hard with my sister
47:54
in law. But we helped, we helped her by managing the estate when
48:00
my mother in law died. And for which my sister in law was
48:04
deeply, deeply grateful. And in a lot of families you have
48:09
fighting over in a state there was no fighting, there was 100%
48:12
agreement with everything. And when you do that, it makes
48:17
everything so much smoother. So now when I look back on that
48:22
experience with her, the Tibetans say your enemy is your
48:27
greatest teacher, and I want you to know I got a PhD from her
48:35
Alan Carroll: it's the ability to see something terrible, and
48:41
be able to paint it one way in your mind and therefore that's
48:45
what you see. And then being able to change the way you are
48:54
interpreting what you are seeing. And then all of a
48:58
sudden, when you watch the movie outside, the movie matches the
49:03
what you see. And and that to me, we mentioned before is a the
49:10
power of observation, the power of being a witness to what's
49:14
going on. And to me that's like a lucid dream. It's just like
49:19
waking up in a dream world the the dream of thought that we
49:23
don't even know where to dream the thought was like a dream of
49:25
thought, but you don't know you're in a dream with thought
49:27
until you can wake up from the dream of thought. And to me
49:32
that's that space you talked about the the ability to create
49:36
that metaphysical space because Spaces Spaces is bits not
49:41
physical spaces a metaphysical and
49:44
Unknown: yes, it's beyond the physics we think we know that's
49:47
exactly right.
49:49
Alan Carroll: But and it's available. And it's there's five
49:53
elements earth air, fire, water and space. Yes, people sort of
49:57
space do I That's not that important, well spaced has been
50:02
told to be the mother of the other four elements, because
50:06
something comes out of nothing and nothing is going to be
50:09
space. And so the key is that ability to create the space. And
50:17
new has certainly, and when you create the space, you can, you
50:22
can have a frequency that that allows you entry into a portal
50:29
that's available to everybody is the way I see it. And you talked
50:33
about frequencies. And if I remember, frequencies are magic
50:39
things if you have the right frequency, abracadabra, ba, ba,
50:42
ba, ba, ba, ba, you're doing a frequency with your words and
50:45
opens up the lock. And so you mentioned frequencies. And I
50:52
know I need to get to the completion of our of our
50:55
podcast, because it's just a it's just, there's so many
51:01
avenues that are that are tickling my body. And the
51:06
frequency conversation, I think is a really important
51:09
conversation. And you seem to be a subject matter expert on
51:13
frequencies. So I'd like to suggest if this works for us,
51:17
we'll schedule another podcast.
51:19
Unknown: We'll be really, that'd be awesome. I've written two
51:22
books on frequency. So yeah, so
51:26
Alan Carroll: perfect. Perfect. Now, before we complete this
51:30
podcast, is there How does one connect with you and the work
51:38
that you're doing?
51:40
Unknown: I actually have two websites, Tina irwin.com, it's
51:43
urban with an E, or ghost helpers.com. Because I do teach
51:48
the living to help the dead, it's another one of the little
51:50
things I do. And to help the dead without immediate you
51:54
shouldn't have to pay a medium to help your loved one. And the
51:59
opportunity to to help someone is really the whole purpose of
52:04
moral life is to be of service to others is is truly the bottom
52:08
line. And and I'm so grateful that you gave me an opportunity
52:13
to share some thoughts today and maybe something that we said,
52:18
will trigger something in another person and we will have
52:20
helped someone today and that that is really what I live for.
52:28
Alan Carroll: I started the beginning for the podcast with a
52:33
prayer. And the prayer was das divine light to become president
52:44
and allow us to manifest something with the divine light
52:47
of our conversations today. So we're we're on the we're on the
52:51
same frequency. Awesome. Well, thank you very much. I enjoyed
52:56
the conversation. Obviously Tina, and I look forward to the
52:59
next opportunity. We have to sparkle the space.
53:03
Unknown: That was fantastic.
53:04
Alan Carroll: Thank you. All righty.