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Your Spiritual Autobiography: Story, Self, and Practice (Kristan Swan) · The Living Conversation

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  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I
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  am
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  your
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  co
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Thanks
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  for
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  joining
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  the
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  conversation.
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  We're
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  here
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  with
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  our
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  guest
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  Kristen
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  Swan.
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  And
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  welcome
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  Kristen,
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much.
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  I
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  am
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  delighted
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  I'm
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  looking
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  forward
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  to
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  our
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  conversation.
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  And
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  you
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  are
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  a
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  business
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  coach
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  but
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  you
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  also,
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  I
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  saw
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  on
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  your
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  website
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  you
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  work
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  with
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  spiritual
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  autobiographies.
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  So
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  just
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  so
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  I
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  can
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  get
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  an
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  understanding
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  and
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  our
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  audience
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  can.
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  What's
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  the
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  basis
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  of
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  your,
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  of
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  your
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  spiritual
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  orientation
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  and
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  how
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  do
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  you
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  guide
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  people?
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  Yeah,
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  so
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  my
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  primary
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  work
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  these
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  days
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  is
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  really
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  in
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  small
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  group
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  facilitation
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  and
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  also
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  writing
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  and
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  providing
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  these
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  different
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  experiences
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  for
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  people.
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  And,
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  and
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  core
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  experiences
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  is
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  this
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  discovering
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  your
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  spiritual
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  autobiography.
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  And
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  when
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  I
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  am
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  inviting
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  people
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  to
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  join
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  me,
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  it
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  is
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  really
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  a
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  non
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  denominational
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  exploration
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  of
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  that
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  which
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  is
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  bigger
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  than
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  ourselves.
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  And,
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  and
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  for
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  some
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  people
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  it
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  will,
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  for
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  some
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  people
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  religion
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  and
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  spirituality
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  are
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  very
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  closely
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  aligned.
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  As
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  I
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  say,
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  hand
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  in
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  glove.
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  And,
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  and
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  I've
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  worked
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  with
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  folks
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  in
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  that
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  realm
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  as
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  well
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  as
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  other
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  people
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  who,
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  nature
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  is
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  their,
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  their
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  place
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  where
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  they
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  find
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  a
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  spiritual
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  connection
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  and,
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  or
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  space.
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  You
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  know,
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  kind
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  of
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  more
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  science
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  minded
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  folks
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  who
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  look
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  at
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  the
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  cosmos
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  and,
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  and
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  for
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  myself
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  really
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  it
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  is
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  a
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  sense
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  of
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  that
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  there
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  is
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  that
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  which
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  is
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  bigger
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  than
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  just
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  me
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  right
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  now
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  right
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  here.
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  This
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  reminds
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  me
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  of
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  a
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  story.
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  There
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  was
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  an
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  evangelical,
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  evangelical
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  Christian
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  acquaintance
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  of
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  mine
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  who
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  came
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  to
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  me
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  and
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  said
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  Anthony,
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  you're
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  so
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  spiritual.
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  How
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  can
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  you
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  be
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  so
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  spiritual
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  and
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  not
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  be
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  Christian?
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  And
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  I
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  said
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  well
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  I
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  study
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  Taoism
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  and
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  Buddhism.
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  And
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  he
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  said
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  well
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  tell
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  me
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  about
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  Buddhism.
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  And,
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  and
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  10.
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  And
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  so
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  there
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  is
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  a
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  text
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  in
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  10
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  in
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  10
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  Buddhism
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  called
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  the
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  Diamond
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  Sutra.
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  And
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  it's
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  also
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  in,
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  in
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  the
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  main
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  of
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  Buddhism.
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  And
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  in
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  the
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  text
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  the
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  Buddha
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  is
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  sitting
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  with
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  his
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  disciples
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  and
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  his
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  discipleship
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  says,
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  oh
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  Lord
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  Buddha,
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  your
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  merit
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  is
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  greater
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  than
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  all
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  the
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  numerous
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  grains
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  of
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  sand
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  in
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  the
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  Ganges.
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  And
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  Buddha
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  says
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  just
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  so
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  subhuti.
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  But
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  that's
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  only
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  a
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  way
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  of
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  talking
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  about
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  it.
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  So
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  when
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  I
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  came
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  back
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  to
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  my
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  acquaintance
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  I
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  said
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  mind
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  worm
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  for
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  him.
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  Now
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  do
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  you
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean?
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  Have.
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  You
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  know
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  what
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  I
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  mean
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  by
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  an
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  earworm,
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  right?
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  Yes.
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  Okay,
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  so
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  mind
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  worm
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  for
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  him,
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  right?
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  And
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  the
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  mind
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  worm
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  was,
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  if
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  you
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  can
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  think
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  of
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  it,
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  it's
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  already
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  too
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  small.
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  And
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  the
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  more
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  he
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  thought
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  about
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  that,
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  the
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  more
• 3:10
  he
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  gets
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  getting
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  thrown
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  out
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  because
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  when
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  we
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  think
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  about
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  stuff
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  we
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  put
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  it
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  into
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  a
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  concept
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  box
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  and
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  what
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  you're
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  talking.
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  And
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  he
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  came
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  back
• 3:21
  to
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  me
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  and
• 3:21
  he
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  said
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  he
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  got
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  to
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  Know
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  God
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  better
• 3:22
  because
• 3:22
  he
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  quite
• 3:23
  trying
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  to
• 3:24
  put
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  God
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  into
• 3:24
  a
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  box.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  what
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  is
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  your
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  process
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  of,
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  of
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  facilitating
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  people
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  into
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  their
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  spiritual
• 3:32
  journey?
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  It
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  is
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  a.
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  Depending
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  on
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  the
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  format.
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  So
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  I
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  teach
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  both
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  an
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  eight
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  week
• 3:41
  version
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  which
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  is
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  also.
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  There's
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  a
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  significant
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  community
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  building
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  element
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  to
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  that
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  eight
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  weeks
• 3:48
  when
• 3:48
  you,
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  you
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  spend
• 3:49
  time
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  with
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  each
• 3:50
  other
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  doing
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  this.
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  And
• 3:52
  there
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  is
• 3:53
  also,
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  because
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  not
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  everyone
• 3:54
  can
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  do
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  eight
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  weeks,
• 3:55
  there
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  is
• 3:56
  a
• 3:56
  more
• 3:57
  intensive
• 3:59
  retreat
• 3:59
  version.
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  Both
• 4:01
  versions
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  are
• 4:03
  centered
• 4:04
  on
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  storytelling.
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  I
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  mean
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  that
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  is
• 4:07
  our,
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  that's,
• 4:09
  that's
• 4:09
  our
• 4:09
  main
• 4:10
  modality.
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  And
• 4:12
  so
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  a
• 4:13
  lot
• 4:13
  of
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  there's
• 4:14
  different
• 4:15
  prompts
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  and
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  it
• 4:16
  is
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  at
• 4:17
  this
• 4:18
  moment,
• 4:18
  it
• 4:18
  is
• 4:19
  writing
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  based.
• 4:20
  I,
• 4:20
  I
• 4:20
  do
• 4:21
  see
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  future
• 4:22
  of
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  spiritual
• 4:23
  autobiography
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  as
• 4:24
  incorporating
• 4:25
  other
• 4:26
  mediums,
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  but
• 4:27
  in
• 4:27
  this
• 4:27
  moment
• 4:28
  it
• 4:28
  is
• 4:28
  all
• 4:29
  about.
• 4:30
  There
• 4:30
  are
• 4:30
  prompts
• 4:31
  that
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  are
• 4:31
  asked
• 4:32
  to
• 4:32
  reflect
• 4:32
  on,
• 4:33
  write
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  share
• 4:36
  in
• 4:36
  the
• 4:36
  group.
• 4:37
  And
• 4:37
  these
• 4:38
  are
• 4:38
  in
• 4:38
  person.
• 4:39
  This
• 4:40
  is
• 4:40
  that
• 4:40
  part
• 4:40
  of
• 4:41
  what
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  feel
• 4:41
  like
• 4:41
  is
• 4:42
  so
• 4:42
  important
• 4:42
  and
• 4:43
  really
• 4:43
  part
• 4:44
  of
• 4:44
  my
• 4:45
  inspiration
• 4:46
  to
• 4:48
  create
• 4:48
  this,
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  know,
• 4:52
  this
• 4:52
  entity
• 4:53
  is
• 4:54
  to
• 4:54
  have
• 4:55
  people
• 4:56
  talking
• 4:56
  about
• 4:57
  things
• 4:57
  that
• 4:57
  they
• 4:58
  normally
• 4:58
  don't
• 4:59
  talk
• 4:59
  about
• 4:59
  face
• 5:00
  to
• 5:00
  face
• 5:00
  in
• 5:01
  real
• 5:02
  life.
• 5:02
  Are
• 5:03
  these
• 5:03
  timed
• 5:03
  writing
• 5:04
  exercises?
• 5:05
  Yes,
• 5:06
  they
• 5:06
  are
• 5:06
  timed
• 5:07
  writing
• 5:07
  exercises.
• 5:08
  There
• 5:08
  is
• 5:09
  homework
• 5:10
  that's
• 5:10
  given.
• 5:12
  So
• 5:12
  then
• 5:12
  for
• 5:13
  the
• 5:13
  homework
• 5:13
  there's,
• 5:14
  you
• 5:14
  know,
• 5:15
  people
• 5:15
  can
• 5:15
  spend
• 5:16
  as
• 5:16
  much
• 5:16
  as,
• 5:16
  or
• 5:17
  little
• 5:17
  time.
• 5:18
  I
• 5:18
  do
• 5:20
  give
• 5:21
  people
• 5:21
  parameters
• 5:22
  around
• 5:25
  kind
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  word
• 5:26
  count
• 5:27
  only
• 5:28
  because.
• 5:29
  Not
• 5:29
  that.
• 5:30
  And
• 5:31
  I
• 5:31
  also
• 5:31
  kind
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  give
• 5:32
  the
• 5:32
  caveat.
• 5:33
  I'm
• 5:33
  like
• 5:33
  if
• 5:33
  you
• 5:33
  are
• 5:34
  really
• 5:34
  loving
• 5:35
  this
• 5:35
  prompt,
• 5:36
  you
• 5:36
  know,
• 5:36
  go
• 5:36
  with
• 5:37
  it.
• 5:37
  Just
• 5:38
  knowing
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  for
• 5:39
  the
• 5:39
  purposes
• 5:39
  of
• 5:40
  when
• 5:40
  we
• 5:40
  come
• 5:40
  back
• 5:41
  in
• 5:41
  that
• 5:42
  collective
• 5:42
  space,
• 5:43
  in
• 5:44
  order
• 5:44
  to
• 5:44
  give
• 5:45
  everyone
• 5:46
  the
• 5:46
  appropriate
• 5:46
  amount
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  time
• 5:48
  to
• 5:48
  share
• 5:50
  that
• 5:51
  it's
• 5:51
  going
• 5:51
  to
• 5:51
  need
• 5:52
  to
• 5:52
  be
• 5:52
  around,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  know,
• 5:53
  whatever
• 5:53
  the
• 5:54
  word
• 5:54
  count
• 5:54
  is
• 5:54
  that
• 5:55
  I've,
• 5:55
  I've,
• 5:56
  I've
• 5:56
  determined.
• 5:57
  But
• 5:57
  I,
• 5:58
  the,
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  prompts
• 5:59
  are
• 5:59
  everything
• 6:00
  from,
• 6:01
  you
• 6:02
  know,
• 6:02
  where
• 6:03
  I'm
• 6:03
  asking
• 6:03
  people
• 6:04
  to
• 6:05
  reflect
• 6:05
  at
• 6:06
  a
• 6:06
  time
• 6:06
  when
• 6:06
  they,
• 6:07
  they
• 6:07
  found
• 6:08
  themselves
• 6:09
  at
• 6:09
  a,
• 6:10
  a
• 6:11
  inflection
• 6:12
  point
• 6:13
  and
• 6:14
  it
• 6:14
  could
• 6:14
  be,
• 6:15
  you
• 6:15
  know,
• 6:16
  a
• 6:16
  kind
• 6:16
  of
• 6:16
  a
• 6:16
  crossroads
• 6:17
  of
• 6:17
  sorts.
• 6:18
  Right.
• 6:18
  And
• 6:19
  because
• 6:20
  I
• 6:20
  think
• 6:20
  that
• 6:20
  again,
• 6:22
  as
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  were
• 6:22
  noting,
• 6:23
  I
• 6:24
  really
• 6:24
  resonate
• 6:25
  with
• 6:25
  what
• 6:25
  you
• 6:25
  mentioned
• 6:26
  about
• 6:27
  how
• 6:27
  limiting
• 6:28
  our
• 6:28
  thinking
• 6:29
  is.
• 6:30
  Right.
• 6:30
  Or
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  fact
• 6:31
  that
• 6:32
  once
• 6:32
  we
• 6:33
  think
• 6:33
  it,
• 6:33
  it
• 6:33
  is
• 6:34
  already
• 6:34
  it's
• 6:34
  become
• 6:36
  limited.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:39
  so
• 6:40
  for
• 6:40
  me
• 6:41
  in
• 6:41
  my
• 6:42
  life,
• 6:42
  those,
• 6:43
  those
• 6:44
  turning
• 6:45
  points,
• 6:45
  those
• 6:45
  crossroads
• 6:46
  are
• 6:46
  those
• 6:47
  moments
• 6:47
  where
• 6:48
  the
• 6:49
  unknown
• 6:49
  often
• 6:50
  has
• 6:50
  to
• 6:50
  be
• 6:52
  welcomed,
• 6:53
  embraced.
• 6:54
  And
• 6:56
  for
• 6:56
  me,
• 6:57
  again,
• 6:59
  looking
• 6:59
  back
• 7:00
  at
• 7:00
  those
• 7:00
  moments
• 7:01
  that
• 7:02
  often
• 7:03
  were
• 7:04
  uncomfortable,
• 7:05
  to
• 7:05
  put
• 7:05
  it
• 7:06
  mildly.
• 7:08
  And
• 7:08
  to
• 7:09
  see
• 7:10
  the
• 7:11
  result
• 7:11
  of
• 7:12
  the
• 7:12
  journey,
• 7:15
  as
• 7:15
  I
• 7:15
  said,
• 7:15
  for
• 7:16
  me
• 7:17
  is
• 7:17
  a
• 7:18
  great
• 7:18
  way
• 7:18
  to
• 7:19
  remind
• 7:19
  myself
• 7:20
  again
• 7:20
  of
• 7:20
  that
• 7:22
  realm
• 7:22
  of
• 7:22
  possibility
• 7:23
  that
• 7:23
  is
• 7:25
  part
• 7:25
  of
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  spirituality
• 7:26
  that
• 7:26
  I
• 7:27
  subscribe
• 7:27
  to.
• 7:30
  Yeah.
• 7:31
  Are
• 7:31
  you
• 7:31
  familiar
• 7:32
  with
• 7:32
  the
• 7:32
  work
• 7:32
  of
• 7:32
  Peter
• 7:33
  Elbow?
• 7:34
  I'm
• 7:34
  not.
• 7:35
  He
• 7:35
  is
• 7:36
  a
• 7:36
  writing
• 7:36
  coach
• 7:36
  and
• 7:37
  he
• 7:37
  does
• 7:37
  timed
• 7:38
  writing
• 7:39
  exercises
• 7:40
  for
• 7:41
  people
• 7:41
  getting
• 7:42
  into
• 7:42
  writing.
• 7:44
  He's
• 7:44
  got
• 7:45
  several
• 7:45
  books
• 7:46
  on
• 7:47
  how
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  become
• 7:47
  a
• 7:47
  good
• 7:48
  writer.
• 7:48
  But
• 7:48
  one
• 7:48
  of
• 7:48
  the
• 7:49
  things
• 7:49
  about
• 7:50
  doing
• 7:50
  timed
• 7:51
  writing,
• 7:51
  so
• 7:52
  just
• 7:52
  write
• 7:53
  continuously
• 7:53
  longhand
• 7:54
  for
• 7:56
  five
• 7:56
  minutes
• 7:56
  and
• 7:57
  it
• 7:57
  sort
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  clears
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  decks.
• 7:59
  Is
• 7:59
  that
• 8:00
  what
• 8:00
  you
• 8:00
  find
• 8:00
  to
• 8:00
  be
• 8:00
  true
• 8:01
  and
• 8:01
  those
• 8:01
  exercises?
• 8:02
  Yes.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:04
  one
• 8:04
  of
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  things
• 8:04
  that
• 8:04
  we
• 8:05
  always,
• 8:06
  besides
• 8:08
  once,
• 8:08
  once
• 8:08
  people
• 8:09
  gather,
• 8:10
  we,
• 8:11
  you
• 8:11
  know,
• 8:12
  again,
• 8:12
  whether
• 8:12
  it's
• 8:12
  in
• 8:13
  our,
• 8:13
  our
• 8:13
  weekly
• 8:13
  classes
• 8:14
  or
• 8:14
  in
• 8:14
  a
• 8:14
  retreat
• 8:15
  setting,
• 8:16
  you
• 8:16
  know,
• 8:16
  in
• 8:16
  between
• 8:17
  breaks
• 8:17
  or
• 8:17
  something,
• 8:18
  we
• 8:18
  gather,
• 8:19
  we
• 8:19
  breathe
• 8:20
  and
• 8:21
  there's
• 8:22
  always
• 8:22
  a
• 8:23
  kind
• 8:23
  of
• 8:23
  a,
• 8:24
  I
• 8:24
  call
• 8:24
  it
• 8:24
  an
• 8:24
  activator
• 8:25
  prompt.
• 8:26
  And
• 8:26
  it's
• 8:27
  exactly
• 8:28
  that.
• 8:28
  Where
• 8:28
  it
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  a
• 8:29
  timed
• 8:29
  writing
• 8:30
  prompted.
• 8:30
  It's,
• 8:31
  as
• 8:32
  you've
• 8:32
  indicated,
• 8:33
  it's
• 8:33
  less
• 8:34
  about
• 8:34
  the
• 8:35
  work
• 8:35
  product
• 8:36
  as
• 8:37
  it
• 8:37
  is
• 8:37
  about
• 8:38
  the
• 8:38
  exercise
• 8:39
  itself
• 8:39
  of
• 8:40
  kind
• 8:40
  of
• 8:40
  getting
• 8:41
  outside
• 8:42
  of
• 8:42
  your
• 8:42
  head.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:43
  it
• 8:43
  will.
• 8:44
  Getting
• 8:44
  kind
• 8:44
  of
• 8:45
  back
• 8:45
  to
• 8:45
  yourself,
• 8:46
  but
• 8:47
  also
• 8:47
  getting
• 8:47
  outside
• 8:48
  of
• 8:48
  your
• 8:48
  head,
• 8:48
  if
• 8:49
  that
• 8:49
  makes
• 8:49
  sense.
• 8:50
  And.
• 8:51
  Well,
• 8:52
  the
• 8:52
  other
• 8:52
  thing
• 8:52
  that
• 8:52
  I'll
• 8:52
  just
• 8:53
  say
• 8:53
  that's
• 8:53
  kind
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  funny
• 8:54
  is
• 8:55
  what
• 8:56
  I've
• 8:56
  observed
• 8:56
  is
• 8:57
  people
• 8:58
  love
• 8:59
  the
• 8:59
  idea
• 8:59
  of
• 9:00
  writing.
• 9:02
  The
• 9:02
  actual
• 9:02
  writing
• 9:03
  itself
• 9:04
  can
• 9:04
  prove
• 9:04
  to
• 9:05
  be
• 9:05
  more
• 9:05
  challenging
• 9:06
  than
• 9:06
  they
• 9:06
  think
• 9:06
  it's
• 9:07
  going
• 9:07
  to
• 9:07
  be.
• 9:08
  I
• 9:09
  could
• 9:09
  see
• 9:09
  that.
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  could
• 9:10
  see
• 9:10
  that.
• 9:11
  Have
• 9:11
  you
• 9:11
  had
• 9:11
  an
• 9:11
  experience
• 9:12
  like
• 9:12
  this,
• 9:12
  Adam?
• 9:14
  Experience?
• 9:15
  That's
• 9:16
  wild
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  say
• 9:17
  that.
• 9:20
  I
• 9:20
  did
• 9:21
  have
• 9:21
  an
• 9:21
  experience
• 9:21
  like
• 9:22
  this
• 9:22
  when
• 9:23
  I
• 9:23
  was
• 9:24
  reading
• 9:24
  Huenang
• 9:25
  in
• 9:25
  studying
• 9:26
  with
• 9:26
  Dr.
• 9:26
  Wu
• 9:26
  about
• 9:26
  Huenang,
• 9:29
  there's
• 9:29
  a
• 9:30
  moment,
• 9:30
  mutual
• 9:31
  mentor.
• 9:31
  Yes,
• 9:32
  yes.
• 9:32
  There's
• 9:32
  a
• 9:33
  moment
• 9:33
  in
• 9:33
  this
• 9:33
  classic,
• 9:34
  one
• 9:34
  of
• 9:34
  the
• 9:35
  first
• 9:35
  classic
• 9:35
  books
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  Zen
• 9:35
  Buddhism,
• 9:36
  there's
• 9:36
  a
• 9:37
  moment
• 9:37
  when
• 9:37
  the,
• 9:38
  the,
• 9:38
  all
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  monks
• 9:39
  are
• 9:40
  trying
• 9:40
  to
• 9:40
  prove
• 9:41
  their
• 9:41
  enlightenment,
• 9:42
  right?
• 9:43
  And
• 9:44
  they
• 9:45
  write
• 9:45
  a
• 9:45
  poem
• 9:45
  on
• 9:46
  the
• 9:46
  wall.
• 9:46
  And
• 9:47
  so
• 9:47
  this
• 9:47
  is
• 9:47
  writing,
• 9:48
  right?
• 9:48
  They
• 9:49
  write
• 9:49
  a
• 9:49
  poem
• 9:49
  on
• 9:50
  the
• 9:50
  wall
• 9:50
  to
• 9:53
  confirm
• 9:54
  their
• 9:54
  enlightenment.
• 9:55
  And
• 9:56
  when
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  was
• 9:56
  studying
• 9:57
  with
• 9:57
  this
• 9:57
  very
• 9:57
  carefully
• 9:57
  with
• 9:58
  Dr.
• 9:58
  Yi
• 9:58
  Wu
• 9:58
  from
• 9:59
  Institute
• 9:59
  of
• 9:59
  Integral
• 9:59
  Studies,
• 10:00
  formerly,
• 10:02
  he
• 10:02
  went
• 10:02
  to
• 10:03
  take
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  break
• 10:03
  to
• 10:03
  go
• 10:03
  use
• 10:03
  a
• 10:04
  restroom,
• 10:04
  something
• 10:04
  like
• 10:04
  that.
• 10:04
  And
• 10:04
  I
• 10:04
  had
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  moment
• 10:05
  where
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  was
• 10:05
  going
• 10:06
  to
• 10:06
  write
• 10:06
  a
• 10:06
  poem
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  my
• 10:07
  own
• 10:09
  and
• 10:10
  I
• 10:10
  was
• 10:10
  writing
• 10:10
  about,
• 10:11
  okay,
• 10:12
  very
• 10:13
  in
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  moment,
• 10:13
  very
• 10:14
  mindful,
• 10:14
  oh,
• 10:14
  my
• 10:15
  hand
• 10:15
  is
• 10:15
  moving
• 10:15
  to
• 10:16
  write.
• 10:17
  And
• 10:17
  in
• 10:17
  reality
• 10:18
  there's
• 10:18
  no
• 10:18
  pen
• 10:19
  or
• 10:19
  paper
• 10:19
  or
• 10:19
  that
• 10:19
  kind
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  thing.
• 10:21
  So
• 10:21
  I,
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  do
• 10:22
  have
• 10:22
  an
• 10:22
  experience.
• 10:22
  That's
• 10:22
  a
• 10:22
  very
• 10:22
  interesting
• 10:23
  question
• 10:23
  that
• 10:23
  you
• 10:24
  had
• 10:24
  there,
• 10:24
  Anthony,
• 10:25
  But
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  am
• 10:25
  curious,
• 10:26
  Kristen,
• 10:27
  with
• 10:29
  all
• 10:29
  of
• 10:29
  our
• 10:30
  guests
• 10:30
  you
• 10:30
  talked
• 10:30
  earlier
• 10:31
  about,
• 10:32
  people
• 10:32
  have
• 10:32
  these
• 10:33
  different
• 10:33
  breakthrough
• 10:33
  type
• 10:33
  of
• 10:34
  moments.
• 10:35
  And
• 10:35
  I
• 10:35
  think
• 10:35
  Anthony
• 10:36
  have
• 10:36
  talked
• 10:36
  and
• 10:36
  shared
• 10:36
  in
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  past,
• 10:37
  about
• 10:37
  some
• 10:37
  of
• 10:37
  the
• 10:37
  moments
• 10:38
  we've
• 10:38
  had
• 10:38
  in
• 10:38
  that
• 10:38
  regard.
• 10:40
  I'm
• 10:40
  curious
• 10:41
  if
• 10:41
  you
• 10:42
  would
• 10:42
  have
• 10:42
  any
• 10:42
  of
• 10:43
  your
• 10:43
  earliest
• 10:43
  moments
• 10:43
  when
• 10:44
  you
• 10:44
  first
• 10:45
  felt
• 10:45
  like
• 10:45
  you
• 10:46
  were
• 10:47
  going
• 10:47
  onto
• 10:48
  a
• 10:48
  spiritual
• 10:48
  path,
• 10:49
  so
• 10:49
  to
• 10:49
  speak.
• 10:49
  I
• 10:50
  know
• 10:50
  there's
• 10:50
  some
• 10:51
  moments,
• 10:52
  let's
• 10:52
  say,
• 10:52
  like
• 10:53
  your
• 10:53
  first
• 10:53
  adult
• 10:53
  experience
• 10:54
  because
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  feel
• 10:54
  like
• 10:54
  as
• 10:55
  children
• 10:55
  we're
• 10:55
  exposed
• 10:55
  to
• 10:56
  it
• 10:56
  in
• 10:56
  different
• 10:56
  ways.
• 10:56
  But
• 10:57
  where
• 10:57
  was
• 10:57
  your
• 10:57
  first
• 10:57
  conscious
• 10:58
  moment
• 10:58
  where
• 10:59
  you
• 10:59
  said,
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  am
• 11:00
  curious
• 11:01
  about
• 11:01
  this,
• 11:01
  this
• 11:02
  path?
• 11:04
  Yeah,
• 11:05
  I,
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  know,
• 11:05
  it's
• 11:06
  interesting
• 11:07
  because
• 11:09
  as
• 11:11
  I'm
• 11:11
  going
• 11:11
  to
• 11:11
  talk
• 11:12
  about
• 11:12
  an
• 11:12
  adult
• 11:12
  moment,
• 11:13
  but
• 11:13
  as
• 11:13
  a
• 11:14
  child,
• 11:15
  despite
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  fact,
• 11:17
  you
• 11:17
  know,
• 11:17
  I
• 11:18
  had
• 11:18
  a
• 11:18
  very
• 11:20
  kind
• 11:20
  of
• 11:21
  a
• 11:21
  mishmash
• 11:21
  of
• 11:23
  religious
• 11:24
  upbringing
• 11:25
  as
• 11:25
  a
• 11:25
  child
• 11:26
  and
• 11:26
  nothing
• 11:27
  extremely
• 11:27
  formal
• 11:28
  at
• 11:28
  all.
• 11:30
  And
• 11:32
  I
• 11:32
  will
• 11:32
  say
• 11:33
  what's,
• 11:35
  what
• 11:35
  is
• 11:37
  interesting
• 11:38
  is
• 11:39
  a
• 11:39
  very
• 11:40
  spiritual
• 11:40
  moment
• 11:41
  for
• 11:41
  me
• 11:41
  was
• 11:42
  choosing
• 11:43
  to
• 11:43
  become
• 11:45
  baptized
• 11:46
  as
• 11:46
  an
• 11:46
  adult
• 11:48
  in
• 11:48
  the
• 11:49
  Episcopal
• 11:50
  Church.
• 11:50
  Okay.
• 11:51
  And
• 11:53
  it
• 11:53
  was,
• 11:55
  I
• 11:55
  had
• 11:55
  been
• 11:56
  volunteering
• 11:56
  for
• 11:57
  a
• 11:57
  while
• 11:57
  and
• 11:58
  I
• 11:59
  ushered
• 12:00
  and
• 12:00
  did
• 12:01
  things
• 12:01
  like
• 12:01
  that.
• 12:01
  And
• 12:03
  I,
• 12:05
  you
• 12:05
  know,
• 12:05
  I,
• 12:05
  I
• 12:06
  enjoyed
• 12:06
  it.
• 12:07
  I
• 12:07
  enjoyed
• 12:07
  the
• 12:07
  community
• 12:08
  of
• 12:08
  it.
• 12:08
  I,
• 12:09
  I
• 12:09
  enjoyed
• 12:10
  the,
• 12:12
  the
• 12:13
  kind
• 12:14
  of
• 12:14
  sense
• 12:15
  of
• 12:15
  service
• 12:16
  that
• 12:16
  I
• 12:17
  grew
• 12:18
  up
• 12:19
  with
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  family
• 12:19
  that
• 12:20
  believed
• 12:20
  in
• 12:21
  volunteering
• 12:21
  and
• 12:22
  being
• 12:22
  of
• 12:22
  service.
• 12:23
  So
• 12:23
  that
• 12:23
  all
• 12:24
  felt
• 12:24
  good.
• 12:25
  But
• 12:25
  I
• 12:25
  will
• 12:25
  say
• 12:26
  that
• 12:26
  there
• 12:27
  was
• 12:27
  the
• 12:28
  time
• 12:29
  finally
• 12:29
  where
• 12:31
  I
• 12:31
  was
• 12:31
  able
• 12:31
  to
• 12:34
  be
• 12:34
  sitting
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  a
• 12:35
  sermon
• 12:35
  and
• 12:36
  hearing
• 12:37
  this
• 12:38
  sermon
• 12:39
  that
• 12:40
  had
• 12:40
  to
• 12:40
  do
• 12:40
  with
• 12:41
  Jesus
• 12:41
  and,
• 12:45
  and,
• 12:45
  and,
• 12:46
  and
• 12:47
  the
• 12:48
  kind
• 12:49
  of
• 12:49
  loving
• 12:51
  feeling
• 12:52
  of
• 12:55
  finally
• 12:56
  kind
• 12:56
  of
• 12:57
  at
• 12:57
  a
• 12:57
  cellular
• 12:58
  level
• 12:59
  hearing
• 12:59
  the
• 12:59
  words
• 13:00
  of,
• 13:01
  you
• 13:01
  know,
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  you
• 13:01
  are
• 13:02
  just
• 13:03
  fine
• 13:03
  as
• 13:04
  you
• 13:04
  are
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  you
• 13:05
  are
• 13:05
  whole
• 13:05
  and
• 13:06
  complete
• 13:07
  as
• 13:07
  you
• 13:08
  are
• 13:08
  and
• 13:08
  loved
• 13:09
  as
• 13:09
  you
• 13:09
  are.
• 13:09
  And
• 13:10
  it's
• 13:10
  not
• 13:10
  about
• 13:11
  you
• 13:11
  earning
• 13:13
  your
• 13:13
  grace
• 13:14
  or,
• 13:15
  you
• 13:16
  know,
• 13:16
  and
• 13:17
  it,
• 13:19
  and
• 13:19
  it's,
• 13:20
  I
• 13:20
  am,
• 13:20
  I
• 13:21
  have
• 13:21
  kind
• 13:21
  of
• 13:21
  a
• 13:21
  complicated
• 13:22
  relationship
• 13:23
  with
• 13:23
  Jesus.
• 13:23
  So
• 13:24
  it's,
• 13:24
  it
• 13:24
  is,
• 13:25
  it's
• 13:26
  a
• 13:26
  bit,
• 13:27
  it's
• 13:27
  actually
• 13:27
  a
• 13:28
  bit
• 13:28
  ironic.
• 13:28
  Ironic
• 13:28
  that
• 13:29
  that's,
• 13:29
  you
• 13:29
  know,
• 13:30
  was
• 13:30
  the,
• 13:31
  the
• 13:31
  message
• 13:31
  was
• 13:32
  just
• 13:33
  really,
• 13:33
  like
• 13:33
  I
• 13:33
  said,
• 13:34
  kind
• 13:34
  of
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  full
• 13:34
  body
• 13:36
  resonating
• 13:37
  with
• 13:37
  me
• 13:38
  in
• 13:39
  this
• 13:39
  very,
• 13:39
  very
• 13:40
  formal
• 13:41
  setting.
• 13:42
  Which
• 13:43
  is
• 13:43
  just
• 13:43
  funny
• 13:43
  to
• 13:44
  me
• 13:44
  because,
• 13:44
  I
• 13:45
  mean
• 13:45
  I
• 13:45
  am,
• 13:46
  I
• 13:46
  couldn't
• 13:47
  be
• 13:47
  further
• 13:47
  from
• 13:48
  that.
• 13:48
  Right.
• 13:49
  In
• 13:49
  terms
• 13:49
  of
• 13:49
  my
• 13:49
  day
• 13:50
  to
• 13:50
  day.
• 13:50
  Well,
• 13:51
  but
• 13:51
  it's
• 13:51
  a
• 13:51
  thesis.
• 13:52
  We
• 13:53
  have
• 13:53
  to
• 13:53
  take
• 13:53
  a
• 13:53
  short
• 13:53
  break.
• 13:54
  I'm
• 13:54
  Anthony
• 13:54
  Wright
• 13:55
  and
• 13:55
  I
• 13:55
  am
• 13:55
  your
• 13:56
  co
• 13:56
  host
• 13:56
  today
• 13:56
  on
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  Living
• 13:57
  Conversation
• 13:57
  with
• 13:58
  Adam
• 13:58
  Teets.
• 13:59
  And
• 13:59
  we
• 14:00
  are
• 14:00
  talking
• 14:00
  with
• 14:00
  our
• 14:00
  guest,
• 14:02
  Kristen
• 14:03
  Swan.
• 14:04
  And
• 14:04
  how
• 14:05
  can
• 14:05
  people
• 14:05
  contact
• 14:05
  you,
• 14:06
  Kristen?
• 14:07
  The
• 14:07
  easiest
• 14:07
  place
• 14:08
  is
• 14:08
  my
• 14:08
  website,
• 14:08
  KristinSwan.com
• 14:11
  and
• 14:11
  it's
• 14:11
  K-R-I-S-T
• 14:13
  a
• 14:13
  N.
• 14:14
  Yes.
• 14:15
  S
• 14:15
  W
• 14:15
  A
• 14:16
  N.
• 14:16
  All
• 14:16
  as
• 14:16
  one
• 14:16
  word.
• 14:17
  Yes.
• 14:18
  Okay.
• 14:18
  We're
• 14:18
  gonna
• 14:18
  take
• 14:19
  A
• 14:19
  short
• 14:19
  break
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  be
• 14:19
  right
• 14:20
  back.
• 14:20
  So
• 14:20
  stay
• 14:20
  tuned.
• 14:21
  I'm
• 14:21
  Anthony
• 14:22
  Wright
• 14:22
  and
• 14:22
  I
• 14:23
  am
• 14:23
  your
• 14:23
  co
• 14:23
  host
• 14:24
  today
• 14:24
  on
• 14:24
  the
• 14:24
  Living
• 14:25
  Conversation
• 14:25
  with
• 14:26
  Adam
• 14:26
  Dietz.
• 14:27
  Welcome
• 14:27
  back.
• 14:27
  And
• 14:28
  we
• 14:28
  are
• 14:28
  talking
• 14:29
  with
• 14:29
  our
• 14:29
  guest,
• 14:29
  Kirsten
• 14:30
  Swan.
• 14:30
  And
• 14:31
  before
• 14:31
  the
• 14:31
  break,
• 14:31
  Kristen,
• 14:32
  you
• 14:32
  were
• 14:32
  talking
• 14:32
  about
• 14:33
  your
• 14:34
  initial
• 14:36
  experience
• 14:37
  as
• 14:37
  an
• 14:38
  adult
• 14:38
  into
• 14:39
  a
• 14:40
  spiritual
• 14:40
  modality,
• 14:42
  as
• 14:42
  being
• 14:42
  baptized
• 14:43
  into
• 14:43
  the
• 14:44
  Episcopal
• 14:44
  faith.
• 14:45
  And
• 14:45
  certainly
• 14:46
  the
• 14:46
  baptism
• 14:47
  is
• 14:48
  more
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  a
• 14:51
  dying
• 14:51
  and
• 14:52
  being
• 14:52
  reborn
• 14:53
  to
• 14:54
  a
• 14:54
  new
• 14:55
  understanding.
• 14:56
  And
• 14:56
  you
• 14:57
  had
• 14:57
  this
• 14:57
  body,
• 14:58
  you
• 14:58
  had
• 14:58
  a
• 14:58
  full
• 14:59
  body
• 14:59
  experience,
• 14:59
  is
• 15:00
  that
• 15:00
  right?
• 15:01
  Yes,
• 15:02
  it
• 15:02
  was
• 15:03
  prior
• 15:04
  to
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  baptism
• 15:06
  itself.
• 15:07
  It
• 15:07
  was
• 15:08
  what
• 15:08
  led
• 15:08
  me
• 15:09
  to
• 15:11
  feel
• 15:11
  like
• 15:12
  an
• 15:12
  adult
• 15:12
  baptism
• 15:13
  would
• 15:13
  be
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  good
• 15:14
  fit
• 15:15
  for
• 15:15
  me
• 15:15
  at
• 15:15
  this
• 15:15
  moment.
• 15:17
  It
• 15:18
  was
• 15:18
  sitting
• 15:18
  in
• 15:20
  a
• 15:20
  Sunday
• 15:21
  service
• 15:22
  and,
• 15:23
  and
• 15:24
  being
• 15:24
  able,
• 15:25
  being
• 15:25
  receptive,
• 15:26
  I
• 15:27
  guess,
• 15:27
  or
• 15:27
  open
• 15:27
  at
• 15:28
  that
• 15:28
  moment
• 15:28
  to
• 15:29
  finally
• 15:30
  hearing
• 15:31
  and
• 15:31
  connecting
• 15:32
  with
• 15:32
  this
• 15:32
  concept
• 15:33
  of
• 15:34
  being
• 15:35
  complete
• 15:35
  and
• 15:36
  whole
• 15:37
  as
• 15:38
  I
• 15:38
  am,
• 15:38
  as
• 15:39
  we
• 15:39
  all
• 15:39
  are.
• 15:40
  Right,
• 15:42
  right.
• 15:42
  And
• 15:42
  is
• 15:42
  that
• 15:43
  that's
• 15:43
  part
• 15:43
  of
• 15:44
  what
• 15:44
  you
• 15:44
  want
• 15:44
  to
• 15:44
  bring
• 15:45
  to
• 15:46
  your,
• 15:46
  your
• 15:47
  clients?
• 15:48
  Oh,
• 15:48
  very
• 15:49
  much
• 15:49
  so.
• 15:49
  I,
• 15:52
  I,
• 15:53
  my
• 15:53
  heart
• 15:53
  always
• 15:55
  just
• 15:55
  aches
• 15:56
  when
• 15:57
  I
• 16:00
  find
• 16:00
  myself
• 16:01
  or
• 16:02
  others,
• 16:03
  you
• 16:03
  know,
• 16:04
  kind
• 16:05
  of
• 16:05
  doing
• 16:05
  this
• 16:05
  very
• 16:06
  external
• 16:07
  seeking
• 16:08
  for,
• 16:10
  you
• 16:10
  know,
• 16:10
  validation
• 16:11
  or
• 16:13
  answers.
• 16:14
  And
• 16:16
  I'm
• 16:16
  not
• 16:16
  saying
• 16:17
  that
• 16:19
  having
• 16:19
  different
• 16:19
  life
• 16:20
  experiences,
• 16:21
  I
• 16:21
  mean,
• 16:21
  those
• 16:22
  are
• 16:22
  very
• 16:22
  enriching,
• 16:23
  however,
• 16:25
  the,
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  extent
• 16:26
  to
• 16:26
  which
• 16:27
  we
• 16:27
  have
• 16:28
  muted
• 16:29
  our
• 16:29
  own
• 16:30
  connection
• 16:32
  with
• 16:33
  ourselves.
• 16:37
  Because
• 16:38
  for
• 16:38
  me,
• 16:40
  it
• 16:40
  wasn't
• 16:41
  until
• 16:42
  I
• 16:43
  got
• 16:43
  curious
• 16:44
  and
• 16:44
  took
• 16:45
  some
• 16:45
  time
• 16:45
  to
• 16:45
  know
• 16:46
  myself
• 16:48
  and,
• 16:48
  and
• 16:48
  begin
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  trust
• 16:49
  myself
• 16:51
  that
• 16:51
  I
• 16:52
  was
• 16:52
  then
• 16:53
  able
• 16:53
  to
• 16:54
  actually
• 16:55
  progress
• 16:56
  into
• 16:56
  more
• 16:57
  of
• 16:57
  what
• 16:57
  I
• 16:57
  would
• 16:58
  say
• 16:58
  is
• 16:58
  a
• 16:58
  more
• 16:59
  mature
• 17:00
  relationship
• 17:01
  with
• 17:01
  my
• 17:01
  spirituality
• 17:06
  in
• 17:06
  that
• 17:06
  regard.
• 17:07
  Let
• 17:07
  me
• 17:07
  ask
• 17:08
  a
• 17:08
  question
• 17:08
  about
• 17:10
  the
• 17:10
  sense
• 17:10
  of
• 17:11
  self.
• 17:12
  Yeah.
• 17:14
  Again,
• 17:14
  going
• 17:14
  back
• 17:15
  to
• 17:15
  something
• 17:15
  that
• 17:15
  our
• 17:16
  mentor
• 17:16
  worked
• 17:16
  on,
• 17:17
  I
• 17:17
  thought
• 17:17
  it
• 17:17
  was
• 17:17
  very
• 17:18
  profound
• 17:18
  because
• 17:19
  there's
• 17:20
  so
• 17:20
  many
• 17:20
  different
• 17:20
  ways
• 17:20
  to
• 17:20
  look
• 17:21
  at
• 17:21
  the
• 17:21
  self.
• 17:22
  And
• 17:24
  I
• 17:24
  think
• 17:25
  basically
• 17:25
  one
• 17:26
  way
• 17:26
  that
• 17:26
  he,
• 17:27
  he
• 17:28
  made
• 17:28
  it
• 17:28
  very
• 17:28
  clear
• 17:29
  and
• 17:29
  interesting,
• 17:29
  I
• 17:29
  thought,
• 17:29
  was
• 17:30
  that
• 17:30
  we
• 17:30
  are
• 17:30
  almost
• 17:30
  like
• 17:31
  a
• 17:31
  series
• 17:31
  of
• 17:31
  concentric
• 17:32
  circles,
• 17:33
  that
• 17:33
  we
• 17:33
  have
• 17:34
  a
• 17:34
  psychological
• 17:34
  self,
• 17:35
  we
• 17:35
  have
• 17:35
  a
• 17:35
  physical
• 17:35
  self,
• 17:36
  and
• 17:36
  we
• 17:36
  have
• 17:36
  a
• 17:36
  spiritual
• 17:36
  self
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  this
• 17:37
  kind
• 17:37
  of
• 17:37
  thing.
• 17:39
  Could
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  say
• 17:40
  something
• 17:40
  about,
• 17:41
  one,
• 17:41
  how
• 17:42
  your
• 17:43
  sense
• 17:43
  of
• 17:43
  self
• 17:43
  has
• 17:44
  evolved
• 17:44
  through
• 17:44
  your
• 17:44
  spirituality,
• 17:46
  and
• 17:46
  two,
• 17:47
  what
• 17:47
  you've
• 17:47
  seen
• 17:48
  from
• 17:48
  your
• 17:50
  clients
• 17:50
  in
• 17:51
  regard
• 17:51
  to
• 17:51
  their
• 17:51
  sense
• 17:52
  of
• 17:52
  self?
• 17:53
  Well,
• 17:54
  I'll
• 17:54
  start
• 17:54
  by
• 17:55
  I
• 17:55
  love
• 17:55
  that
• 17:56
  question.
• 17:56
  And
• 17:57
  that
• 17:57
  is
• 17:58
  so
• 17:59
  interwoven
• 18:00
  in
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  work
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  I
• 18:02
  do.
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  mentioned
• 18:03
  earlier
• 18:03
  that
• 18:04
  storytelling
• 18:05
  is
• 18:06
  so
• 18:06
  foundational
• 18:07
  to
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  work
• 18:08
  that
• 18:08
  I
• 18:08
  do.
• 18:08
  And
• 18:10
  in,
• 18:10
  in
• 18:10
  part,
• 18:11
  I
• 18:11
  think
• 18:11
  this
• 18:12
  can,
• 18:13
  can
• 18:13
  speak
• 18:13
  to
• 18:13
  what
• 18:14
  we're,
• 18:14
  you're
• 18:15
  asking
• 18:15
  here,
• 18:15
  which
• 18:16
  is,
• 18:17
  I
• 18:17
  think,
• 18:18
  about
• 18:18
  storytelling
• 18:19
  and
• 18:20
  just
• 18:20
  for
• 18:21
  simplification,
• 18:22
  in
• 18:22
  kind
• 18:22
  of
• 18:22
  three
• 18:23
  buckets,
• 18:23
  I
• 18:24
  think
• 18:24
  about
• 18:24
  the
• 18:24
  stories
• 18:25
  that
• 18:25
  we
• 18:25
  tell
• 18:25
  ourselves.
• 18:27
  I
• 18:27
  think
• 18:27
  about
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  stories
• 18:29
  that
• 18:29
  we
• 18:29
  have
• 18:30
  inherited
• 18:31
  or
• 18:31
  that
• 18:32
  have
• 18:32
  been
• 18:32
  told
• 18:33
  to
• 18:33
  us,
• 18:34
  and
• 18:35
  then
• 18:35
  I
• 18:35
  think
• 18:35
  about
• 18:35
  those
• 18:36
  stories
• 18:37
  through
• 18:37
  that
• 18:37
  we
• 18:37
  are
• 18:37
  willing
• 18:38
  to
• 18:38
  share
• 18:39
  with
• 18:39
  others.
• 18:41
  And
• 18:42
  I
• 18:42
  know
• 18:43
  for
• 18:44
  myself
• 18:45
  that,
• 18:47
  you
• 18:47
  know,
• 18:48
  kind
• 18:48
  of
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  need
• 18:50
  to
• 18:52
  pay
• 18:52
  attention
• 18:52
  to
• 18:53
  the
• 18:53
  stories
• 18:53
  that
• 18:53
  I'm
• 18:54
  telling
• 18:54
  myself
• 18:55
  first
• 18:55
  and
• 18:55
  foremost.
• 18:56
  Right.
• 18:56
  It's,
• 18:56
  it's.
• 18:57
  For
• 18:57
  me,
• 18:57
  it
• 18:58
  always
• 18:58
  starts
• 18:58
  with
• 18:58
  curiosity
• 19:00
  and
• 19:02
  being
• 19:02
  willing
• 19:03
  to,
• 19:05
  to
• 19:06
  sit
• 19:06
  with
• 19:07
  those
• 19:07
  stories
• 19:08
  and
• 19:08
  say,
• 19:09
  you
• 19:09
  know,
• 19:09
  are
• 19:10
  these,
• 19:11
  are
• 19:11
  these
• 19:11
  still
• 19:12
  true?
• 19:12
  Right.
• 19:13
  Or,
• 19:15
  and,
• 19:15
  and
• 19:15
  even
• 19:16
  make
• 19:16
  peace
• 19:16
  with
• 19:17
  some
• 19:17
  of
• 19:17
  the
• 19:17
  stories
• 19:18
  that,
• 19:18
  that
• 19:19
  I
• 19:19
  no
• 19:19
  longer
• 19:20
  need
• 19:20
  to
• 19:22
  revisit
• 19:23
  or,
• 19:23
  or
• 19:24
  that
• 19:24
  I
• 19:24
  can,
• 19:25
  or
• 19:25
  that
• 19:25
  I
• 19:26
  can
• 19:26
  integrate
• 19:27
  in
• 19:27
  my
• 19:27
  understanding
• 19:28
  in
• 19:28
  a
• 19:28
  new
• 19:29
  way
• 19:29
  or.
• 19:30
  Right.
• 19:30
  As
• 19:30
  I've
• 19:31
  gotten
• 19:31
  older
• 19:31
  or
• 19:32
  I've
• 19:32
  had
• 19:32
  different
• 19:32
  life
• 19:33
  experiences,
• 19:34
  so
• 19:34
  I
• 19:34
  think
• 19:35
  that,
• 19:35
  that,
• 19:36
  that
• 19:36
  is
• 19:37
  that
• 19:38
  very
• 19:38
  kind
• 19:39
  of
• 19:39
  interior
• 19:40
  conversation.
• 19:41
  Right.
• 19:42
  And,
• 19:42
  and
• 19:43
  then
• 19:43
  going
• 19:44
  to
• 19:44
  that
• 19:44
  next
• 19:44
  layer
• 19:45
  or
• 19:45
  next
• 19:46
  concentric
• 19:46
  circle.
• 19:47
  Right.
• 19:47
  Is
• 19:47
  that
• 19:49
  what
• 19:49
  has
• 19:49
  been,
• 19:50
  what
• 19:50
  has
• 19:50
  been
• 19:52
  kind
• 19:52
  of
• 19:53
  given
• 19:54
  to
• 19:54
  me
• 19:54
  or
• 19:54
  sometimes,
• 19:56
  you
• 19:56
  know,
• 19:56
  just,
• 19:57
  you
• 19:58
  know,
• 19:58
  I,
• 19:58
  maybe
• 19:59
  I
• 19:59
  didn't
• 19:59
  necessarily
• 19:59
  want
• 19:59
  it,
• 20:00
  but
• 20:01
  it's,
• 20:02
  it's
• 20:03
  been,
• 20:03
  it's
• 20:04
  been
• 20:04
  put
• 20:04
  in
• 20:04
  there
• 20:05
  and,
• 20:06
  and
• 20:06
  again,
• 20:06
  getting
• 20:07
  curious
• 20:07
  with
• 20:08
  those
• 20:08
  stories.
• 20:10
  So.
• 20:11
  And
• 20:11
  then
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  think
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  last
• 20:12
  piece
• 20:12
  really
• 20:13
  speaks
• 20:14
  to.
• 20:14
  I
• 20:14
  know,
• 20:15
  for
• 20:15
  my
• 20:15
  own
• 20:15
  evolution
• 20:16
  is
• 20:18
  those
• 20:19
  stories
• 20:19
  that
• 20:19
  I'm
• 20:20
  willing
• 20:20
  to
• 20:20
  share
• 20:20
  with
• 20:20
  others.
• 20:21
  And,
• 20:23
  and
• 20:24
  obviously
• 20:25
  there's
• 20:25
  times
• 20:26
  when,
• 20:27
  you
• 20:27
  know,
• 20:28
  we
• 20:28
  can
• 20:28
  be
• 20:28
  more
• 20:29
  vulnerable
• 20:29
  and,
• 20:30
  you
• 20:31
  know,
• 20:31
  in
• 20:31
  times
• 20:32
  where
• 20:32
  it's.
• 20:32
  It
• 20:33
  isn't
• 20:33
  really
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  time
• 20:34
  to
• 20:34
  do
• 20:34
  that.
• 20:36
  But
• 20:36
  I
• 20:36
  just
• 20:36
  even
• 20:37
  think
• 20:37
  that
• 20:39
  again,
• 20:40
  as
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  kind
• 20:42
  of
• 20:42
  have
• 20:42
  navigated
• 20:43
  through
• 20:43
  these
• 20:43
  layers
• 20:44
  for
• 20:45
  myself,
• 20:45
  is
• 20:47
  coming
• 20:47
  to
• 20:47
  the
• 20:48
  place
• 20:48
  where
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  am
• 20:52
  100%
• 20:53
  more
• 20:54
  comfortable
• 20:54
  with
• 20:55
  sharing
• 20:56
  from
• 20:57
  my
• 20:58
  experience.
• 20:59
  And,
• 20:59
  you
• 21:00
  know,
• 21:00
  and,
• 21:00
  and
• 21:01
  some
• 21:01
  of
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  experiences
• 21:02
  are
• 21:02
  not
• 21:02
  necessarily,
• 21:03
  you
• 21:04
  know,
• 21:04
  happy
• 21:04
  stories.
• 21:05
  And,
• 21:05
  and
• 21:06
  those
• 21:06
  are.
• 21:06
  And
• 21:07
  that's
• 21:07
  okay.
• 21:08
  And
• 21:08
  those
• 21:09
  are
• 21:09
  really
• 21:09
  meaningful
• 21:10
  to
• 21:11
  share.
• 21:11
  Not
• 21:11
  because
• 21:13
  I'm
• 21:13
  looking
• 21:13
  for
• 21:14
  anyone
• 21:14
  to
• 21:15
  make
• 21:16
  me
• 21:16
  feel
• 21:16
  better.
• 21:17
  I
• 21:17
  don't.
• 21:17
  I'm
• 21:18
  not.
• 21:18
  That's
• 21:18
  not
• 21:18
  what
• 21:18
  I'm
• 21:19
  asking.
• 21:19
  But
• 21:19
  I,
• 21:20
  I
• 21:20
  think
• 21:20
  that
• 21:20
  it
• 21:21
  is
• 21:21
  a.
• 21:22
  It's
• 21:23
  at
• 21:23
  the
• 21:23
  core
• 21:23
  of
• 21:24
  my
• 21:24
  humanity.
• 21:26
  And
• 21:27
  living
• 21:28
  more
• 21:28
  fully
• 21:28
  into
• 21:28
  my
• 21:29
  humanity
• 21:30
  is,
• 21:30
  again,
• 21:33
  a
• 21:33
  spiritual
• 21:33
  practice
• 21:34
  for
• 21:34
  me.
• 21:35
  Great.
• 21:35
  Great.
• 21:36
  And
• 21:36
  then
• 21:36
  just
• 21:36
  to
• 21:37
  follow
• 21:37
  up,
• 21:37
  have
• 21:37
  you
• 21:38
  seen
• 21:38
  any
• 21:38
  patterns?
• 21:38
  I
• 21:38
  know
• 21:39
  you
• 21:39
  mentioned
• 21:39
  one
• 21:39
  pattern
• 21:40
  that
• 21:40
  people
• 21:41
  seem
• 21:41
  to
• 21:41
  have
• 21:41
  to
• 21:41
  have
• 21:42
  kind
• 21:42
  of
• 21:42
  a,
• 21:44
  a
• 21:44
  breakthrough
• 21:44
  like
• 21:45
  a
• 21:45
  breaking
• 21:45
  point
• 21:45
  or
• 21:46
  a,
• 21:46
  you
• 21:46
  know,
• 21:47
  literally
• 21:47
  the
• 21:48
  saying
• 21:48
  is
• 21:48
  come
• 21:48
  to
• 21:48
  Jesus
• 21:49
  moment.
• 21:49
  Right.
• 21:50
  Have
• 21:51
  you
• 21:51
  noticed
• 21:51
  patterns
• 21:52
  in,
• 21:52
  in
• 21:52
  your
• 21:53
  clients
• 21:53
  in
• 21:53
  that
• 21:53
  regard?
• 21:55
  I
• 21:56
  have.
• 21:56
  And
• 21:56
  I
• 21:57
  also
• 21:57
  have
• 21:58
  noticed
• 21:59
  I've
• 21:59
  had
• 21:59
  some
• 22:00
  people
• 22:00
  who
• 22:00
  participate
• 22:01
  who
• 22:02
  are
• 22:02
  still
• 22:03
  really
• 22:03
  not
• 22:03
  that
• 22:03
  curious
• 22:04
  about
• 22:04
  themselves.
• 22:05
  I
• 22:05
  mean,
• 22:05
  they
• 22:06
  love
• 22:06
  Again,
• 22:06
  sometimes,
• 22:08
  you
• 22:08
  know,
• 22:08
  I
• 22:08
  mean,
• 22:08
  I've
• 22:09
  done
• 22:09
  that
• 22:09
  before
• 22:09
  where
• 22:09
  I've
• 22:10
  signed
• 22:10
  up
• 22:10
  for
• 22:10
  something
• 22:11
  and
• 22:11
  it's,
• 22:11
  you
• 22:12
  know,
• 22:12
  it
• 22:12
  sounded
• 22:12
  like
• 22:12
  it
• 22:12
  would
• 22:13
  be
• 22:13
  good
• 22:13
  for
• 22:13
  me,
• 22:13
  and.
• 22:14
  And,
• 22:15
  you
• 22:15
  know,
• 22:15
  and
• 22:15
  I
• 22:16
  really
• 22:16
  wasn't
• 22:16
  ready
• 22:17
  to
• 22:17
  participate
• 22:18
  yet.
• 22:18
  So
• 22:18
  I
• 22:18
  have
• 22:19
  had
• 22:19
  participants
• 22:20
  who
• 22:20
  really
• 22:21
  feel
• 22:21
  they're
• 22:22
  not
• 22:22
  that
• 22:23
  curious
• 22:24
  yet.
• 22:25
  And
• 22:25
  yes,
• 22:26
  I
• 22:27
  think
• 22:27
  that
• 22:27
  we.
• 22:28
  What
• 22:28
  I
• 22:28
  have
• 22:29
  seen
• 22:29
  in
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  workshops
• 22:31
  and
• 22:31
  classes
• 22:32
  is
• 22:34
  people
• 22:34
  sharing
• 22:35
  from
• 22:36
  these
• 22:37
  very
• 22:38
  honest
• 22:38
  moments
• 22:39
  of
• 22:39
  when.
• 22:41
  And,
• 22:41
  you
• 22:42
  know,
• 22:42
  most
• 22:42
  of
• 22:42
  us
• 22:42
  have
• 22:42
  a
• 22:43
  few
• 22:43
  of
• 22:43
  these.
• 22:45
  And
• 22:45
  I
• 22:46
  mean,
• 22:46
  I
• 22:46
  definitely
• 22:47
  have.
• 22:47
  And.
• 22:50
  And
• 22:50
  the,
• 22:51
  you
• 22:51
  know,
• 22:52
  it
• 22:52
  really
• 22:52
  is
• 22:53
  from
• 22:53
  that
• 22:54
  stripping
• 22:54
  away
• 22:54
  or
• 22:55
  that.
• 22:55
  That
• 22:55
  brokenness
• 22:56
  that
• 22:57
  there,
• 22:58
  again,
• 22:58
  is.
• 23:00
  A
• 23:00
  lot
• 23:00
  of
• 23:00
  times
• 23:01
  that's
• 23:02
  where
• 23:03
  there
• 23:03
  can
• 23:03
  be
• 23:04
  that
• 23:04
  openness
• 23:05
  that
• 23:06
  we
• 23:06
  can.
• 23:06
  We
• 23:07
  can
• 23:07
  emerge,
• 23:09
  you
• 23:09
  know,
• 23:09
  even.
• 23:11
  I'm
• 23:11
  not
• 23:11
  going
• 23:11
  to
• 23:11
  say
• 23:12
  better,
• 23:12
  because
• 23:12
  it's
• 23:13
  not
• 23:13
  about
• 23:13
  being
• 23:13
  better,
• 23:14
  but
• 23:14
  we
• 23:14
  can
• 23:14
  just
• 23:15
  emerge
• 23:16
  anew.
• 23:17
  Yeah.
• 23:17
  In
• 23:18
  the
• 23:18
  Taoist
• 23:18
  tradition,
• 23:19
  a
• 23:20
  sense
• 23:20
  of
• 23:20
  emptying
• 23:21
  your
• 23:21
  mind,
• 23:21
  decreasing
• 23:22
  your
• 23:22
  desire,
• 23:22
  decreasing
• 23:23
  your
• 23:23
  thought,
• 23:23
  decreasing
• 23:24
  your
• 23:24
  will.
• 23:24
  It
• 23:24
  sounds
• 23:24
  like
• 23:24
  some
• 23:25
  of
• 23:25
  what
• 23:25
  you're
• 23:25
  talking
• 23:25
  about
• 23:25
  here.
• 23:26
  Yeah.
• 23:27
  Do
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  go
• 23:27
  into
• 23:28
  the.
• 23:29
  Working
• 23:29
  with
• 23:30
  your
• 23:30
  clients
• 23:30
  with
• 23:30
  the
• 23:30
  structure
• 23:31
  of
• 23:31
  story?
• 23:33
  Not
• 23:34
  so
• 23:34
  much.
• 23:34
  Because
• 23:35
  I,
• 23:36
  you
• 23:37
  know,
• 23:37
  again,
• 23:38
  there
• 23:38
  is.
• 23:40
  There
• 23:40
  is
• 23:41
  so
• 23:41
  much
• 23:43
  I
• 23:44
  have
• 23:44
  found
• 23:44
  there
• 23:45
  is.
• 23:45
  A
• 23:45
  lot
• 23:45
  of
• 23:46
  people
• 23:46
  are
• 23:46
  very
• 23:47
  intimidated
• 23:48
  by
• 23:48
  the
• 23:48
  idea
• 23:48
  of
• 23:49
  writing.
• 23:49
  And
• 23:49
  so
• 23:50
  really,
• 23:50
  I.
• 23:51
  They
• 23:52
  are.
• 23:52
  I
• 23:53
  know.
• 23:53
  And
• 23:54
  it's.
• 23:55
  I
• 23:55
  mean,
• 23:55
  if
• 23:56
  you
• 23:56
  think
• 23:56
  about.
• 23:56
  Used
• 23:57
  to
• 23:57
  it,
• 23:57
  right?
• 23:58
  What's
• 23:58
  that?
• 23:58
  They're
• 23:59
  not
• 23:59
  used
• 23:59
  to
• 23:59
  it.
• 24:00
  They
• 24:00
  may
• 24:00
  not
• 24:00
  be
• 24:01
  used
• 24:01
  to
• 24:01
  it,
• 24:01
  but
• 24:01
  they
• 24:02
  may
• 24:02
  also
• 24:02
  not
• 24:02
  realize
• 24:03
  how
• 24:03
  much
• 24:04
  they
• 24:04
  write
• 24:04
  anyways.
• 24:05
  I
• 24:05
  mean,
• 24:05
  I
• 24:06
  always
• 24:06
  laugh,
• 24:07
  right.
• 24:07
  Because,
• 24:09
  you
• 24:09
  know,
• 24:09
  when
• 24:10
  you
• 24:10
  think
• 24:10
  about,
• 24:12
  you
• 24:12
  know,
• 24:13
  going
• 24:13
  to
• 24:13
  school
• 24:14
  and
• 24:15
  it.
• 24:15
  There's,
• 24:16
  you
• 24:16
  know,
• 24:16
  there's
• 24:17
  these
• 24:17
  people
• 24:17
  who
• 24:17
  are
• 24:17
  like,
• 24:17
  oh,
• 24:18
  I'm
• 24:18
  not
• 24:18
  writers.
• 24:19
  I'm
• 24:19
  gonna
• 24:19
  go
• 24:19
  on
• 24:20
  more
• 24:20
  of
• 24:20
  maybe
• 24:21
  a
• 24:21
  stem
• 24:21
  path,
• 24:22
  or
• 24:22
  I'm
• 24:22
  gonna
• 24:23
  go
• 24:23
  on.
• 24:24
  Or
• 24:24
  I'm
• 24:24
  more
• 24:24
  of
• 24:24
  a
• 24:25
  creative.
• 24:25
  I'm
• 24:25
  gonna
• 24:26
  go
• 24:26
  in
• 24:27
  the.
• 24:27
  You
• 24:27
  know,
• 24:28
  I'm
• 24:28
  gonna
• 24:28
  go
• 24:28
  in.
• 24:30
  And
• 24:30
  then
• 24:31
  they
• 24:31
  realize
• 24:32
  all
• 24:33
  of
• 24:33
  this
• 24:33
  stuff
• 24:34
  we
• 24:34
  all
• 24:35
  need
• 24:35
  to
• 24:35
  write,
• 24:36
  whether
• 24:36
  we're
• 24:36
  writing.
• 24:37
  If
• 24:37
  you're
• 24:38
  in
• 24:38
  the
• 24:38
  arts
• 24:38
  and
• 24:38
  you're
• 24:38
  writing
• 24:39
  grant
• 24:39
  proposals
• 24:40
  or
• 24:40
  you
• 24:40
  need
• 24:40
  to
• 24:40
  make
• 24:41
  an
• 24:41
  artist
• 24:41
  statement.
• 24:43
  So
• 24:43
  I
• 24:44
  feel
• 24:44
  like
• 24:44
  my
• 24:46
  kind
• 24:46
  of
• 24:46
  facilitation
• 24:47
  is
• 24:48
  really
• 24:49
  about
• 24:50
  getting
• 24:50
  people
• 24:52
  just
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  start
• 24:53
  and
• 24:55
  not
• 24:55
  to
• 24:56
  worry
• 24:56
  about.
• 24:58
  Don't,
• 24:58
  don't.
• 24:59
  Don't
• 24:59
  get
• 24:59
  bogged
• 25:00
  down
• 25:00
  with,
• 25:01
  you
• 25:02
  know,
• 25:03
  spelling
• 25:03
  or
• 25:04
  grammar
• 25:04
  or
• 25:05
  even
• 25:06
  kind
• 25:06
  of
• 25:07
  thematic
• 25:07
  devices.
• 25:09
  Let's.
• 25:10
  Let's,
• 25:10
  you
• 25:11
  know,
• 25:11
  let's
• 25:11
  connect
• 25:12
  with
• 25:13
  yourself.
• 25:13
  Because
• 25:14
  again,
• 25:14
  I'm.
• 25:14
  I
• 25:15
  feel
• 25:15
  like
• 25:15
  so
• 25:16
  many
• 25:16
  people,
• 25:17
  you
• 25:17
  know,
• 25:17
  have
• 25:19
  become
• 25:20
  disconnected
• 25:20
  from
• 25:21
  themselves.
• 25:21
  So
• 25:22
  let's.
• 25:23
  We're
• 25:23
  using
• 25:24
  writing
• 25:25
  and
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  storytelling
• 25:26
  as
• 25:27
  the
• 25:27
  modality
• 25:28
  to.
• 25:28
  To
• 25:29
  get
• 25:30
  kind
• 25:30
  of
• 25:30
  reacquainted
• 25:31
  with
• 25:31
  ourselves.
• 25:32
  So
• 25:33
  to.
• 25:34
  To
• 25:35
  apply
• 25:35
  another
• 25:36
  level
• 25:36
  of
• 25:37
  critique
• 25:38
  on
• 25:38
  it
• 25:38
  or
• 25:38
  instruction,
• 25:39
  I
• 25:39
  feel
• 25:39
  like
• 25:40
  might.
• 25:41
  Might
• 25:41
  kind
• 25:42
  of
• 25:42
  get
• 25:42
  in
• 25:42
  the
• 25:42
  way
• 25:42
  of
• 25:43
  at
• 25:43
  least
• 25:43
  my
• 25:44
  purpose
• 25:44
  of,
• 25:45
  of
• 25:46
  bringing
• 25:46
  people
• 25:46
  together.
• 25:47
  Can
• 25:48
  I.
• 25:48
  Can
• 25:48
  I
• 25:48
  ask
• 25:49
  that?
• 25:49
  As
• 25:50
  you're
• 25:50
  talking,
• 25:50
  as
• 25:50
  we're
• 25:50
  discussing
• 25:51
  more,
• 25:52
  I'm
• 25:52
  getting
• 25:52
  a
• 25:53
  sense
• 25:53
  of
• 25:53
  like,
• 25:53
  oh,
• 25:53
  you
• 25:53
  know,
• 25:54
  we
• 25:54
  had
• 25:54
  to
• 25:54
  write
• 25:54
  our
• 25:54
  dissertation.
• 25:55
  I
• 25:56
  turned
• 25:56
  mine
• 25:56
  into
• 25:56
  a
• 25:57
  book.
• 25:57
  I'm
• 25:57
  writing
• 25:57
  another
• 25:58
  book
• 25:58
  right
• 25:58
  now.
• 25:58
  I'm
• 25:59
  writing
• 25:59
  articles.
• 25:59
  And
• 26:00
  as
• 26:00
  you're
• 26:00
  talking
• 26:00
  and
• 26:01
  we're
• 26:01
  kind
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  sifting
• 26:02
  through
• 26:02
  what
• 26:02
  you're
• 26:02
  talking
• 26:02
  about,
• 26:03
  I'm
• 26:03
  like,
• 26:03
  oh
• 26:03
  man,
• 26:04
  writing
• 26:04
  really
• 26:04
  is
• 26:05
  a
• 26:05
  spiritual
• 26:05
  practice
• 26:05
  for
• 26:05
  me.
• 26:07
  And
• 26:07
  it's
• 26:07
  like
• 26:08
  when
• 26:08
  it's
• 26:08
  one
• 26:08
  of
• 26:09
  my
• 26:09
  most
• 26:10
  connected
• 26:10
  moments
• 26:10
  besides
• 26:11
  my
• 26:11
  Tai
• 26:11
  chi
• 26:11
  practice
• 26:12
  is.
• 26:12
  Is
• 26:12
  writing
• 26:13
  and
• 26:13
  reflecting
• 26:14
  on
• 26:14
  these
• 26:14
  things.
• 26:15
  And
• 26:15
  then
• 26:16
  I
• 26:16
  realized,
• 26:16
  okay,
• 26:17
  the
• 26:17
  things
• 26:17
  that
• 26:18
  I've
• 26:18
  been
• 26:18
  thinking
• 26:18
  about
• 26:18
  and
• 26:18
  contemplating,
• 26:19
  mulling
• 26:19
  over
• 26:20
  processing,
• 26:21
  so
• 26:21
  to
• 26:21
  speak,
• 26:22
  to
• 26:22
  be
• 26:22
  able
• 26:22
  to
• 26:23
  really
• 26:23
  clearly
• 26:23
  put
• 26:23
  them
• 26:23
  on
• 26:24
  the
• 26:24
  page
• 26:24
  and
• 26:25
  address
• 26:25
  certain
• 26:25
  issues
• 26:25
  in
• 26:26
  a
• 26:26
  certain
• 26:26
  way
• 26:27
  is.
• 26:27
  Is
• 26:28
  really
• 26:28
  profound
• 26:29
  for
• 26:29
  me.
• 26:30
  As
• 26:30
  you're,
• 26:30
  as
• 26:30
  you're,
• 26:31
  as
• 26:32
  you're
• 26:32
  describing
• 26:32
  that.
• 26:33
  Is
• 26:33
  that
• 26:33
  part
• 26:33
  of
• 26:33
  the
• 26:34
  goal
• 26:34
  of
• 26:34
  what
• 26:35
  you're
• 26:35
  working
• 26:35
  towards?
• 26:36
  Yeah,
• 26:37
  for
• 26:37
  sure.
• 26:38
  Well,
• 26:38
  I
• 26:38
  mean,
• 26:38
  one
• 26:38
  of
• 26:39
  my.
• 26:39
  My
• 26:40
  kind
• 26:40
  of
• 26:40
  my
• 26:41
  gateway
• 26:42
  into
• 26:42
  a
• 26:43
  lot
• 26:43
  of
• 26:43
  my
• 26:43
  work
• 26:43
  is
• 26:43
  I
• 26:44
  have
• 26:44
  a
• 26:44
  journal
• 26:44
  that
• 26:45
  I,
• 26:45
  that
• 26:45
  I
• 26:47
  put
• 26:47
  together
• 26:48
  many,
• 26:48
  many
• 26:48
  years
• 26:49
  ago.
• 26:50
  It
• 26:50
  is.
• 26:51
  It
• 26:51
  was
• 26:52
  kind
• 26:52
  of
• 26:52
  a
• 26:52
  seed
• 26:53
  that
• 26:53
  came
• 26:53
  out
• 26:53
  of
• 26:54
  my
• 26:54
  business
• 26:55
  coaching.
• 26:56
  It's
• 26:56
  called
• 26:57
  Spaghetti
• 26:57
  on
• 26:57
  the
• 26:58
  Wall.
• 26:58
  And
• 26:58
  again,
• 26:59
  it
• 26:59
  is
• 27:00
  a.
• 27:00
  It's
• 27:00
  recommended
• 27:01
  as
• 27:01
  a
• 27:01
  daily
• 27:02
  practice
• 27:03
  of
• 27:06
  really
• 27:07
  kind
• 27:07
  of
• 27:07
  just.
• 27:08
  It.
• 27:08
  It's.
• 27:09
  It
• 27:09
  has
• 27:09
  prompts
• 27:10
  in
• 27:10
  it,
• 27:10
  so
• 27:10
  there's
• 27:10
  some
• 27:11
  structure
• 27:11
  to
• 27:11
  it.
• 27:11
  Again,
• 27:12
  it's,
• 27:12
  It's.
• 27:13
  I'm
• 27:13
  always
• 27:13
  about
• 27:14
  to.
• 27:14
  I
• 27:14
  want
• 27:15
  to
• 27:15
  make
• 27:15
  things
• 27:15
  as
• 27:15
  simple
• 27:16
  and
• 27:16
  as
• 27:17
  accessible
• 27:18
  as
• 27:18
  possible.
• 27:19
  Right.
• 27:20
  Because
• 27:20
  it's
• 27:20
  too
• 27:20
  easy
• 27:21
  to
• 27:22
  get
• 27:24
  intimidated
• 27:24
  or
• 27:25
  to
• 27:25
  feel
• 27:25
  like,
• 27:26
  oh,
• 27:26
  it's
• 27:26
  going
• 27:26
  to
• 27:26
  take
• 27:26
  too
• 27:27
  long.
• 27:27
  So
• 27:27
  I
• 27:27
  mean,
• 27:28
  I
• 27:28
  have
• 27:28
  this
• 27:28
  journal
• 27:28
  that
• 27:29
  it's.
• 27:29
  The
• 27:30
  way
• 27:30
  I
• 27:30
  Recommend
• 27:30
  it
• 27:30
  is
• 27:32
  15
• 27:32
  to
• 27:33
  12
• 27:33
  minutes
• 27:34
  a
• 27:34
  day.
• 27:34
  I
• 27:34
  mean,
• 27:34
  set
• 27:34
  a
• 27:35
  timer,
• 27:35
  do
• 27:36
  it.
• 27:36
  The
• 27:37
  timer
• 27:37
  goes
• 27:37
  off,
• 27:37
  throw
• 27:38
  your
• 27:38
  pen
• 27:38
  against
• 27:38
  the
• 27:38
  wall
• 27:39
  and
• 27:39
  move
• 27:39
  on
• 27:39
  with
• 27:40
  your
• 27:40
  day.
• 27:40
  But
• 27:41
  I
• 27:42
  do
• 27:42
  find
• 27:43
  that,
• 27:44
  and
• 27:44
  especially
• 27:45
  I
• 27:45
  just
• 27:45
  feel
• 27:46
  like
• 27:46
  it's
• 27:46
  so
• 27:47
  needed
• 27:48
  in
• 27:49
  this
• 27:49
  time
• 27:49
  that
• 27:50
  we're
• 27:50
  in
• 27:50
  right
• 27:51
  now
• 27:51
  where
• 27:53
  put
• 27:53
  your
• 27:54
  pen
• 27:54
  to
• 27:54
  paper.
• 27:54
  And
• 27:55
  that's
• 27:55
  another
• 27:55
  thing
• 27:55
  is.
• 27:55
  Right
• 27:57
  that
• 27:57
  very
• 27:57
  physical
• 27:58
  act
• 27:59
  as
• 28:00
  opposed
• 28:00
  to
• 28:00
  typing.
• 28:01
  Oh,
• 28:02
  yeah,
• 28:02
  It's
• 28:02
  a
• 28:02
  very
• 28:03
  different
• 28:03
  thing.
• 28:03
  It's
• 28:04
  a
• 28:04
  very
• 28:04
  different
• 28:04
  thing.
• 28:05
  So
• 28:05
  much
• 28:06
  of.
• 28:06
  So
• 28:07
  the
• 28:07
  in
• 28:07
  class
• 28:09
  stuff
• 28:10
  is
• 28:10
  all
• 28:10
  handwritten
• 28:12
  because
• 28:14
  we
• 28:14
  agree
• 28:14
  to
• 28:15
  leave
• 28:15
  devices
• 28:16
  at
• 28:16
  the
• 28:16
  door
• 28:16
  for
• 28:17
  the
• 28:17
  sake
• 28:17
  of
• 28:17
  the
• 28:17
  class.
• 28:18
  And,
• 28:20
  and
• 28:21
  it's
• 28:21
  just
• 28:21
  so
• 28:21
  that,
• 28:23
  that,
• 28:23
  that
• 28:25
  quiet
• 28:26
  that
• 28:26
  happens
• 28:28
  when
• 28:28
  you
• 28:29
  are,
• 28:29
  you
• 28:29
  allow
• 28:30
  yourself
• 28:30
  and
• 28:31
  whether
• 28:31
  you,
• 28:31
  you
• 28:31
  know,
• 28:32
  you
• 28:32
  write
• 28:32
  for
• 28:32
  5
• 28:33
  minutes,
• 28:33
  10
• 28:33
  minutes,
• 28:34
  12
• 28:34
  minutes,
• 28:34
  whatever
• 28:35
  it
• 28:35
  is,
• 28:35
  it's
• 28:36
  there
• 28:36
  is
• 28:37
  it's
• 28:38
  such
• 28:38
  a
• 28:38
  gift,
• 28:38
  I
• 28:38
  feel
• 28:39
  like
• 28:39
  that
• 28:39
  we,
• 28:40
  we
• 28:40
  can
• 28:41
  give
• 28:41
  ourselves.
• 28:42
  We
• 28:42
  have
• 28:43
  to
• 28:43
  take
• 28:43
  a
• 28:43
  short
• 28:43
  break.
• 28:44
  I'm
• 28:44
  Anthony
• 28:45
  Wright
• 28:45
  and
• 28:45
  I'm
• 28:45
  your
• 28:46
  host
• 28:46
  today
• 28:47
  with
• 28:47
  my
• 28:47
  co
• 28:48
  host
• 28:48
  Adam
• 28:49
  Dietz.
• 28:49
  Thanks
• 28:49
  for
• 28:49
  joining.
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• 28:50
  here
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• 28:50
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• 28:51
  Swan.
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• 28:52
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• 28:52
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• 28:52
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• 28:58
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• 28:59
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• 28:59
  on.
• 29:00
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