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Commanders - Patriots Post Game · Trap or Dive

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[SPEAKER_05]: Don't be looking for the rest, you don't know flag then Keep the hammer down Keep the police tight You the type you want to win by any means, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I said during AJ's here, man, look, preseason games.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was telling him before the show started AJ, first of all, they did score.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, Jerry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, four to eight to eighteen as we're recording this review or not listening or watching live.
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[SPEAKER_03]: This game is over three minutes left for the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and a day like this reminds me of why, uh, preseason sucks.
2:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it allows us to do a game, uh, do a preseason or a game recap before the game is over with.
2:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
2:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think one thing that stood out to me before we get in the winners and losers, we ain't going to do too much today.
2:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the intensity level from the Patriots of Rip was kind of like drastically noticeable.
2:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they were the drastic difference between New England and how they came out versus how Washington came out.
2:29
[SPEAKER_03]: The opening kick off was kind of like a eye opener in the wrong way, special teams.
2:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I think was definitely a loser.
2:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You had two big returns one with four touchdown.
2:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Antonio Gibbs Gibson almost house another one in the second quarter and then you have a miss kick Matt Gay.
2:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I said on Twitter, but I was like, bro, one of the worst things that kicker can do, especially if you are brand new and your introduction to any team, let alone watch it and who's had kicker problems for a long time now is miss your first kick.
3:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody in practice, I mean, everybody, everybody who's covering a practice say to this dude and miss probably like two kicks all can't you come on and miss your first kick, which was a relative cheap chip shot.
3:12
[SPEAKER_03]: This is why it's
3:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll get the leg up there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's my opening because we have plenty to talk about quarterback's defense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everything like that.
3:21
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll give y'all the floor to diving and we can add a discussion.
3:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, winners and losers, the eye opener comes with the intensity level and how New England came out versus how Washington did, but then also special teams for me.
3:33
[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about something that needs to get fixed like right now and it cannot carry over not even to the next game in preseason.
3:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I'll jump in real quick.
3:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I told you, I kind of missed like most of the first half, but went back and looked at, went back and looked at, yeah, went back and looked at some of the stuff.
3:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you have like a role call of players not playing, I mean, this is what you get.
4:00
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of these guys that you watch and today they're going to be playing Madden with us in September.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're filming on Sunday before the games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just don't I don't put too much weight into it.
4:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean at the end of the day think Patriots in a different position.
4:21
[SPEAKER_02]: They got a new coaching staff and their team is so young that
4:26
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they definitely came up a parent like it was a regular season game, just to develop that culture and also just put themselves in a positive outlook in comparison to how the previous season had been stuff like that and just breaking down the nuances of what my very boy and the coaches have what.
4:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess what you could really take from this game a lot of the guys came out of the, the ones that did play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the key thing to take away from the game.
4:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, in a honesty, the album is really too much more for me to say on that front.
5:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for me, I mean, it's preseason, you gotta remind yourself that in, of course, yeah, your starters weren't playing, you were down, thirty players when you set out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still want Dan Quinn and his coaches to have to be pissed coming out of this because regardless of whether you're playing it the second, your third, your full full fifth string, guys, you want those guys to go out there and play with some kind of effort, play with some kind of pride for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that team for whatever job they may have, more forward after this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just didn't see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from the gate, you have, you allow a kick off your turn for a touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, a lot of that special teams, when you have those kind of gas on special teams, to me, that's a lack of effort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, I didn't see guys out there playing with that fried or playing with that intensity that a Dan Quinn team should be playing with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, this doesn't mean anything because
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, guys, it's going to be playing every Sunday's in the right of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you still want to see the guys that's out there showing some effort.
6:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what that said, I mean, there were some positives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you had to look pretty hard for those positives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the positives are some of those guys that will be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did show those flashes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you had Johnny Newton show flashes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tray Amos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked good in his limited time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you had those types of guys going out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't what you wanted to see them do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, the team is a whole, I just thought they like discipline out there, too many penalties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, just the effort overall, like the Patriots, they play hard for my free blow out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, they play some of their starters at all, but they play with the effort and the intensity you want to see us bring.
6:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even if you're not matching up with those guys, talent-wise, as far as these guys might be playing starter, your plan back up.
6:40
[SPEAKER_00]: You still want to see your guys go out there, fight hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really didn't see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully you get a better performance next week to get to the Vingles.
6:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, twelve penalties for Washington.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, seven penalties in the first half.
6:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and when we're talking about, like, some players that, you know, look good and bad, like I'll continue on the, decide that is important.
7:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I don't know what the story is, the Mario to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I'm sure he's just sitting.
7:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: But they were monitoring the reporters were monitoring the days that he was not active during practice before the games before the game this week.
7:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he obviously didn't make the trip to New England at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it was a battle between Sam Hartman and Josh Johnson today, who are outing between those with those two and Sam Hartman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he was nervous or if he just ain't got it, or if he's a combination of both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that way, it's a hard beat to tell you about.
7:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Going, going late, a little bit off rhythm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm assuming off timing with his receivers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Sailors and passes.
7:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And unfortunately, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some of the ones that did look good.
7:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Your boy, Chris Moore, drop two passes.
8:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Stock down on Sam Hartman, stock down on Chris Moore.
8:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Chris Moore is the reason why I mentioned him is because like there are people heading like throughout training camp in prior to training camp.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: People's been paying probably change during training camp because they haven't talked about him having some drop passes in there as well.
8:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So it may be like heading into training camp, but there was a lot of people who was like, oh, he's a sneaky guy.
8:26
[SPEAKER_03]: And people got to look out for Chris Moore and I'm just sitting here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: like, you know, this game time now, and you had two beautiful opportunities to make a play.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Both of them, well, the second one was more difficult than the first one, but the first one, you know, you got to grab that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the second one, you had a chance to make an explosive play and you dropped it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, Chris Moore, I don't know what his standing is in terms of the depth chart, but I don't tonight doesn't have them.
8:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Gallup had some opportunities, I think it's six targets.
9:01
[SPEAKER_03]: two catches on the day, but by nothing really, that says that he can't hoop anymore.
9:07
[SPEAKER_03]: The vertical passes, they took some vertical shots, but he never really had separation down, feel when they threw it to him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Josh Johnson or Sam Hartman.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, the quarterback's fine.
9:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of wanted it a little bit.
9:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I was getting back to the quarterback's.
9:17
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there's going to be a QB through on this roster, but I don't think
9:23
[SPEAKER_03]: If they'll talk about practice squad, Sam Hartman helped himself at all.
9:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think nobody's going to scoop up John Johnson.
9:30
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think Sam Hartman helped himself at all if he's talking about trying to keep himself on the on the practice squad or around Washington.
9:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the best thing Sam Hartman can do is continue to work on his bromance for Jayden days.
9:43
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Sam Hartman wasn't a good, a good collegiate quarterback.
9:49
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a reason why he went and drafted
9:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I mean, maybe, you know, I don't know a great of you watch this show, but I know me and a mall, we indulged in this Netflix series called Love's Blind.
10:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we'll see him on whatever season of Love's Blind.
10:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't, I don't, because I don't even think I would give him a practice what, because it's like, like, what would be the use of that?
10:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's, it's no point, like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's never going to get elevated, like, it's just useless.
10:24
[SPEAKER_02]: So use that on somebody else.
10:27
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you got a lot of why I received words that you could possibly try to have in the full practice law wise.
10:34
[SPEAKER_02]: You got a lot of defense in my thing, stuff like that.
10:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not using this by all in the same argument.
10:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I definitely think that that'll be a wasted, even practice class by this point.
10:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even listening to Cliff King's very talk about it earlier this week.
10:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Cliff King's very, you know, you kind of expect coaches to, you know, give, you know, some kind of glowing remarks about a player when they asked about him, you know, even if they may not believe it, but Cliff was pretty kind of honestly about even he was being nice about it, but he was honest.
11:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, Sam Hartley, he's been up and down, maybe he has a solid arm.
11:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he said nothing that really sounded like he had any redeeming qualities at the quarterback position to make me think that this guy has any threat to stay on the roster.
11:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go out there and you see him the day and you saw what you saw.
11:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things to me that I kind of observed that, you know, I was talking about this throughout the game was Jaylin Lane's, like, I was like, okay, I noticed when I looked at the roster or who was sitting out before the game.
11:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaylin Lane's name was in on there.
11:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, cool.
11:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaylin Lane's playing.
11:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Game is going, I don't see Jaylin Lane on the field at all.
11:38
[SPEAKER_00]: The second quarter comes around.
11:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in for like one play with Sam Hartman, which Sam Hartman sells the ball over his head like ten yards.
11:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he goes right back out the game.
11:46
[SPEAKER_00]: But then he comes back in with Josh Johnson comes on the field.
11:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, maybe that was intentional.
11:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they, you know, obviously Jalen Wayne's probably a guy that they see that's going to be on the field with the starters when the season starts.
11:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they didn't want him on the field with Sam Hartman because he's so inexperienced and they said, well, put him on the field with an experienced quarterback.
12:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only of observation that I can accept the way for that.
12:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
12:08
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry that man was on the field.
12:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Jalen Wayne.
12:12
[SPEAKER_03]: I see a man at one time.
12:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I'm talking about with Sam Hartman.
12:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
12:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was working on it.
12:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
12:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe I don't know, Brad, but I think they just don't want to.
12:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he made a difference.
12:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they want to showcase too much of him.
12:27
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:28
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how that's how I would see him.
12:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Like when Josh.
12:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
12:32
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to feel the white.
12:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.
12:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe they ain't trying to showcase them too much.
12:38
[SPEAKER_03]: But they mix it up because, you know, Gallup, Gallup in KJ was the one.
12:42
[SPEAKER_03]: KJ was the one was the ones who had a lot of time with both quarterbacks.
12:46
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it was just a strategy thing.
12:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
12:50
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
12:51
[SPEAKER_03]: But one thing for Sorgue.
12:53
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing for Sorgue.
12:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot to bring it up too.
12:55
[SPEAKER_03]: Luke McCarthy got hurt.
12:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't see him in the game anymore after the ball that Sam Hartman threw on a screen to him.
13:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was so mad like I'm not like rooting for.
13:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to reprise it.
13:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I want Luke McAfrey to do well, right?
13:20
[SPEAKER_03]: was frustrating is like, I don't know if y'all noticed the past that Sam Hartman threw like, he threw such a bad past on the screen.
13:27
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was a double pace.
13:30
[SPEAKER_03]: He threw the ball, he floated the ball to Luke McAfrey.
13:33
[SPEAKER_03]: He threw it behind him, which forced Luke McAfrey to stop and get the ball, like stop like from moving towards the line of skirmish.
13:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And, like, stop all his momentum and looping the carefully loses the yard on what was the screenplay.
13:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Robert C. for screen.
13:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought like I said, I thought of the double pass when he threw it.
13:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Bad ball, bad timing from Hartman and then McAfrey gets here.
13:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the injury status is.
13:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he came back and said the game looked McAfrey did, but they did notice that they did note that he was hurt.
14:02
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was that as well, just to add, just to pile on to tonight, the D.A.
14:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, Sam, but this, it happened.
14:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he got a little hurt.
14:12
[SPEAKER_03]: Another person who went to the tent was the Cory Croskey Merit, but reports is, and he had a couple good runs.
14:22
[SPEAKER_03]: That show like his vision, his burst, has agility, which was good.
14:28
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a couple of flash plays.
14:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Had an explosive nine yard, or I don't know.
14:33
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah, a good nine yard run.
14:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, he comes out after going to the blue tent.
14:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the injury diagnosis was or if it was reported at all.
14:43
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's something, but apparently he was fine.
14:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I think JP, family, said he was fine.
14:51
[SPEAKER_03]: When he came out he looked fine when he came out so maybe just precautionary on on that end.
14:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we have any additional winners or losers?
15:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I didn't see anything from Josh Connelly that stood out in a negative way.
15:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I did notice one time in a line game the Patriots ran.
15:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and Washington does this.
15:12
[SPEAKER_03]: They did this last year or two.
15:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it was just a scheme thing.
15:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no idea.
15:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't.
15:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and it confused me sometimes.
15:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Like sometimes it's like this man's scheme.
15:20
[SPEAKER_03]: But the Josh may have just not seen the stunt.
15:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, or the Looper, but like the only thing that I noticed one time was in past protection where he followed the edge pressure inside and the Looper came around him and the Looper was uncovered for maybe like a second, a second and a half or something like that.
15:40
[SPEAKER_03]: So now I was it, but other than that, I didn't see anything that I saw him do a couple have a couple good reps in the run game.
15:46
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, do we have any, any additional winners or losers on the offensive side of the ball?
15:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
15:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Bill obviously to me.
15:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And my favorite thing about Bill, you know, watching the game on my son and I'm like,
15:59
[SPEAKER_00]: He always turns even a negative, which should be probably a negative plan to something positive.
16:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's just that shit that he has that vision.
16:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's a natural runner.
16:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when I see him, I don't see any wasted movement or anything.
16:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's always looking to turn nothing or anything into something.
16:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to see him more with some of the starters or the starting of the line because he looks like he does have something to him.
16:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Offensively, who else, currently, again,
16:28
[SPEAKER_00]: As much as I tried to pay attention to him, I probably have to go re-watch it.
16:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think he would, I didn't think he would ban it all.
16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I thought he held his own out there.
16:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't see, you know, like I said, maybe it was probably one or so, then you should probably nitpick on him about the overall, I didn't see him giving up any pressure.
16:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Why receiver wise later in the game than granddad didn't finish watch the game is probably still going on right now, but take Martin was probably the best that a wide receiver group today.
16:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I noticed he was pretty much getting a lot of targets.
16:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He was catching things coming this way.
16:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Jogs on us.
16:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and that's pretty helpful.
17:01
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this not looking good like the as a whole without Terry and deep all out there.
17:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, me didn't see Jayling Lane get me past catch as thrown his way, but you know, for him to look good of that group.
17:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that could be something because maybe there's a spot there in the six for the six virus.
17:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He was about to suffer.
17:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, hey, Martin helped himself out today.
17:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, um, they're running back to meet your company.
17:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he came in and he has some pretty nice, uh, please.
17:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's about it.
17:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't see the tight ends pretty much make a splash.
17:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Senate didn't get much thrown his way, but again, that Sam Hartman is missing guys.
17:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's hard to kind of evaluate guys, but you have a quarterback struggling the way he was.
17:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But offensively, that's why I have to go.
17:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go build Tay Martin.
17:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in.
17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's it.
17:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Connie.
17:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because Coli didn't do anything.
17:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd go to sleep and I thought he held his own.
17:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are my three on office.
17:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I was going to say, man, I think a bright spot for a lot of those that were clamoring at the hopes of drafting.
18:09
[SPEAKER_02]: running back, travy on the Henderson, I don't know how to say that was a break spot.
18:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, first play, he showed his explosiveness in the NFL.
18:21
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know it sounds a little bit shady, but it's just like, you know, it's something that you just think about the the versatility that he could have brought to this offense from a running back standpoint being with Jayden Daniels, but I mean, for me,
18:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the main thing I took away from is just like, most of the guys left today healthy.
18:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that it's hard to even focus on deaf when like Drey said, thirty plus guys did not suit up.
18:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of those were starters, but a lot of those were also deaf pieces.
18:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, your whole defensive line rotation did not contribute.
19:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they didn't play today.
19:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, so it's like, what can you really do from there?
19:08
[SPEAKER_02]: your three main linebackers, Louisville, Wagner, McGee, allegedly McGee, you know, did not play your other starting two cornerbacks as far as the packages didn't play.
19:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, safety didn't play.
19:25
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like, I don't know what more you could say.
19:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if anything, we probably shouldn't focus too much on these preseason games and more so the joint practices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: especially the one that's going to be coming up against Baltimore.
19:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but this game was a smooth fence.
19:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, any really much to talk about from this game.
19:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you, you might as well just come on back on the, on the bottom more show.
19:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, do your thing, bro.
19:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, aggressively though, like what I did like from a couple of people know it, but I mean, um, I don't know where he stands in terms of like the top five is because, you know, tray emo, smart sound ladder more.
20:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Mike Sammer still your three, your main three, then you got Johnson Johnson Johnson Jones.
20:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and Noah would be your like your round out your top five.
20:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not mistaken.
20:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so you're talking about Noah who came out hot and he was very aggressive.
20:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the main people that I like defensively today was Noah, uh, John Jeremy Reeves and your boy, uh, uh, Johnny Newton.
20:44
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the way that they play.
20:45
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of people was hoping to trade Amos and I'm not saying that he had a bad game.
20:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't really notice too much out of them.
20:52
[SPEAKER_03]: So if they say he did good, all right, I just got to watch the game again.
20:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I was looking at the front seven.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it is what it is.
21:01
[SPEAKER_03]: And or at least in the box really so I and with that being said with the names that I mentioned the people that that stood out in a negative way had issues tackling Tyler Owens and Carlin vigorous like I've never like Carlin
21:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Collin must be a guy who can cover really well because like the main thing when you're seeing practices like it ain't no contact.
21:27
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not tackling.
21:29
[SPEAKER_03]: So now he's in a game and you don't even look like he like he playing he playing he love tapping them guys out there.
21:35
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like he not and in the first I actually think he got nervous because after the first one he got ran over.
21:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who it was.
21:41
[SPEAKER_03]: It was if he was Antonio Gibson or whatever.
21:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like, you got, he got ran through and after that, he didn't want to touch nobody.
21:50
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, dad, daddy.
21:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You're welcome to the NFL.
21:53
[SPEAKER_03]: It is in this part because he got eight tackles.
21:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even think I think all those tackles was was because he was the only person left around in life.
22:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a person that sets the one.
22:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: You got it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You got to do something.
22:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, anyway.
22:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Stocks down was was a guy and vigorous who a lot of people had I would love to see him like his reps and covers on on all twenty two like maybe he did look okay and coverage But like when when your highlights are our negatives I don't know how much that can really help for you I'm there's a couple other people in the box that that has some some bad miss tackles I really think that patriot's offense like they took turns running through motherfuckers
22:34
[SPEAKER_03]: They had their day just running through buff because defensively and like I said, Vickers and Tyler only said their day and it was probably like two or three more than I'm missing off the top of my head, maybe to check healthy.
22:48
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, those are kind of my stock ups stock down immediate names that come to mind for me.
22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you hit mine as well.
22:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to have all of those same guys as well, because I mean, it wasn't much to pick from what you think about it.
23:00
[SPEAKER_00]: But the guys who stood out, especially Johnny Newton, early in the game, what you love the sea from a Johnny Newton, especially because, you know, obviously last season, he didn't have the season that we probably thought he was going to have been your highest second round pick that you had last year.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But he also didn't have an offseason last year.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was dealing with his injuries and he came into the season, you know, probably two to three games into the season.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: but now he's had a full off season and I actually wanted to bring him up the day even before the game because I've been here people talk about him recently as to say he's been having a strong off season and I hadn't heard that before until kind of he's last couple of days and people will say he started to fill himself.
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: He started to show some of those flashes so it was really come on Johnny and yeah Johnny knew it was really good to see him get out the drink maybe wasn't a backup that he went after and if I'm not mistaken I could be wrong but I think he did that against the Patriots
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: They have will camp or right.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that was will camp, uh, then he got passed on that plate.
23:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I have to watch that over.
23:57
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just good to see Johnny Newton make that flash plate.
24:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, I know you said you didn't see or notice tray aimers.
24:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to pay a little bit more attention to tray aimers.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's sticky in coverage.
24:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one pass they did target his way.
24:10
[SPEAKER_00]: He's right there.
24:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Drake may have what had been to make the perfect pass and even the perfect pass may not have completed that pass because trade was right there.
24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing you've seen on his college stuff.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it wasn't that the flashy for more
24:23
[SPEAKER_00]: from him or anything, but he's there in coverage.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He's doing what you've seen on tape.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm actually looking forward to seeing more of that when he's playing against, you know, starters and whatnot.
24:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, yes, the other two, Jeremy Reeves and I thought he played with effort all game, you know, while the effort may have lacked in the other places.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeremy Reeves continues to show why he's that, you know, unsung hero in a team there.
24:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I boy was on camera.
24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, man.
24:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he didn't care that was preseason.
24:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't care to no one else might have been out there with a banging like he wanted to bang, but he was doing this thing out there.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you mentioned, Noah, I know I went out there.
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: He made a lot of plays.
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was defending the ball.
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's solid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a solid year last year, but other than that, no, I didn't really notice too many
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: obviously Tyler Owens was disappointing because you know keep hearing things about him and I want to him the pop but I didn't see it and one of the person I do want to mention not to say that I noticed him in a good or a bad way but came in Toronto to work you out of UCLA that we drafted.
25:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I was trying to watch and pay attention to him a little bit and how he was using him and I noticed there they used him a lot on blitzes like they you know I've heard that he can cover and he has to speed and he's going to probably be one
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: but I noticed they was trying to use his athleticism and speed the blitz and get at the quarterback.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be interesting to see if he can get on the field at any point this season and how they want to kind of employ him and utilize that athleticism.
25:50
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about guys were down on, right?
25:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Stock up, stock up, stock up, stock up.
25:56
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say,
26:02
[SPEAKER_03]: stock up uh JCM gives you some hope and defense you said stock up stock down we just went through the office we want defense
26:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still got channel nine on TV so I'm like looking at the statue or Brady all this stuff but yeah, I mean defensively
26:41
[SPEAKER_02]: stock up, of course, Johnny Newton, like we touched on Tuesday, finally being able to fully be healthy in some regard and being able to go through the rigors of an NFL all season without having to focus on rehab.
26:58
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you were able to see why he was projected to be a top pick in the draft last year.
27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very explosive off the ball.
27:08
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's the things that you were able to pick up and get it in the backfield.
27:15
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as Amos, I didn't really see anything much there.
27:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know if I'm gonna go back and watch this honestly, but we'll see as the preseason goes on.
27:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, I think it's a big one.
27:33
[SPEAKER_03]: It's great to drive over like a drive to the hand.
27:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a bit concerning as far as like the deployment of how they want to utilize like a down many camps in the Tyler Owens.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think it may not go as smoothly as we project right now.
27:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they got some things to work on as far as being aggressive and truly attacking the run game.
28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, Jeremy Reeves, yeah, he's been around the game for a long time.
28:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would say that I would give him a star.
28:11
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm trying to think defensively who was, you already talked about Bigger's.
28:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and all of it and looking over here, give me the side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So look, what's interesting, Brad eight, so they're doing the post game pressures.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, Brad eight, they got Josh Johnson speaking to say, be like, so we're Sam Hartman at the Odie Pre, they only have Josh Johnson.
28:41
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, Sam, Sam must not be speaking today at all.
28:45
[SPEAKER_03]: He must be just in part of the locker room tomorrow.
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He must have sent him home already.
28:49
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, yeah, don't worry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, feel like on was when you when you're a guy who's like playing in the box like they had this guy moving from slot to box to strong, but like when you have those opportunities to make plays in the box in and you know, you just wasn't there to make that play or excuse me, you was there to make the playing you didn't get it done.
29:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I just think that's kind of a knock on you.
29:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, now granted,
29:42
[SPEAKER_03]: And the grand scheme of things.
29:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be clear like and I think we recognize this.
29:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if the chat recognizes this, but I'm not drawing conclusions on players after a game except for probably Sam Hartman.
29:58
[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably the only one on the talk, but like.
30:02
[SPEAKER_03]: I know one game doesn't define the person and it's a good thing that like the cuts doesn't come until after the third game.
30:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because you're going to have opportunities to make more plays and and redeem yourself after like a, maybe like a not so bright outing.
30:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so for Tyler, I don't think that he had the best of games in the box, uh, which would showcase his strength.
30:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Hampton, I have to watch a little bit more, but, you know, we'll see.
30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for me, with
30:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Hampton, I want to cut him a little bit of slack because if I'm not mistaken, I don't think he played it all last year.
30:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he I don't feel pretty sure he was one of those like healthy scratches all year.
30:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was a rookie last year.
30:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do want to see him at least one more preseason game to see if he picks it up, but I did notice some discipline issues out in the field form.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't see my he was in position to make the plays that we, you know, would have liked to see him make in those positions, but
30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's again, that's the one that disappointed me because that's the guy that we've been kind of hearing is this dark horse all along.
31:04
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he even going back the last off season, you know, he was kind of one of those unsung heroes and training camp when people were talking them up.
31:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was expecting a little bit more to him, like I didn't have much expectations of how many camping, as I did Tyler owns, like Tyler owns is a guy that some people have even been talking up as, man, he can get on the field over a will Harris or
31:24
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a person but there are something.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was expecting a little bit more about some bad angles on tackles, discipline issues from Tala Owen.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of that was disappointing.
31:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I mean, we do have two more weeks of preseason.
31:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully these guys have picked up the slide and show something because we need some of those depth pieces to show up, especially like a Dominic Hampton.
31:46
[SPEAKER_00]: at the linebacker position, and he was drafted as a safety, but they moved them in linebacker last year.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But after what is it, Wagner, Louisville, and McGee, and obviously you have came to Toronto, but he's a rookie, you don't know what you have in him yet.
31:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But you want to see someone else kind of emerge from that group of linebackers.
32:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to see a Dominic Camp that maybe show up, if it came to Toronto, can eventually show up.
32:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm gonna give him a couple more weeks.
32:11
[SPEAKER_00]: We do have a little bit more time to evaluate these guys.
32:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully they give a better effort going forward.
32:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Fred was calling on to John.
32:19
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I thought I was different, but Fred is like the king of optimism and all that.
32:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Go look at a smooth.
32:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, go look at Fred's foot when he was on our show talking about Taylor Heineke.
32:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Taylor Heineke.
32:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you ain't never going to be free to talk negative about it.
32:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Great fresh smooth is the black version of Larry Michaels.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And on that
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[SPEAKER_03]: Money, a funny version, Brad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, contrary version, Brad, we gonna go ahead and cut it in.
32:59
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what that's going to be back on Tuesday.
33:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Jay Grootin is down for the show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna follow up with him, but
33:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you that boy, some kind of kids are going to be one of what's his greatest quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, y'all see that boy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Come on.
33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you, they were sleeping on a car some wins.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you're going to come on.
33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's going to be like, oh, let me tell you, right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you, right now.
33:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I still need my argument with Jake London, but, you know, we're gonna cross that bridge and we get dead on camera.
33:37
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only time I'm ever bring it up.
33:41
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so look, we'll be back Tuesday.
33:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, like I said, we'll try to have J on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna follow it with them.
33:47
[SPEAKER_03]: So we can have a conversation about the mob and some more territory of McClellan.
33:53
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I ain't gonna lie in gas style, but it'll be good to talk with the person who drafted him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess you got to go get back to your man and brag get you get you I don't even know from above the lab.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm about the last three at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know I understand but I got I'm not I think me my man's Nick on the author the two say he won't run the defy I K you know about this your district running collective
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: DRC, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say, we won't go out there tomorrow tomorrow morning.
34:27
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be pretty plainness or this is just like something that just came about today.
34:32
[SPEAKER_03]: So typically like they actually run DRC runs like anywhere between two and a half to three miles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I guess this is in a particular event, like a special event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they're they're formally calling it like a five K, which is three miles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just know that I'm enjoying going to be out tomorrow.
34:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's nice weather.
34:55
[SPEAKER_02]: I might have to come in a drive by OK.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I might be in the car with more.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to knock that out tomorrow morning.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: See y'all Tuesday.
35:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody in the chat appreciate y'all.
35:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Get that light button and describe it when we get out of here.
35:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Watchin' throw the bump, we gon' pick it up, you gon' light them hit the hood, you gon' cut it up, you gon' play through for a long, you gon' put it up, you're the funny side, you hit it, put your pants in, don't be lookin' for the ref, don't don't fly again, keep that on me, no, keep the police tight, you the type you wanna win by any means, right, you should look alive, this is tryna die,