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Zen, Compassion, and Mindfulness in Turbulent Times with Lee Carlson · The Living Conversation

• 0:01
  I'm
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  Anthony
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  Wright
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  and
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  I'm
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  your
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  host
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  today
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  on
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  the
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  Living
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  Conversation
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  with
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  my
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  co
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  host,
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  Adam
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  Dietz.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  the
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  conversation.
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  And
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  we
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  are
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  here
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  with
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  our
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  guest,
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  Lee
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  Carlson.
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  And
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  Lee
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  is
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  a
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  Zen
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  practitioner,
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  a
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  sea
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  captain,
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  a
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  soccer
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  coach,
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  an
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  author.
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  Welcome,
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  Lee.
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  Thank
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  you.
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  Great
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  Yeah.
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  And
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  I
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  found
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  very
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  interesting
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  that
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  you
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  have
• 0:29
  a
• 0:29
  passion
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  for
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  the
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  ocean
• 0:30
  and
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  your
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  recent
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  book
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  is
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  called
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  A
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  Single
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  Excellent
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  Night.
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  But
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  start
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  about.
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  And
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  you're
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  also
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  a
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  survivor
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  of
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  a
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  traumatic
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  brain
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  injury,
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  but
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  you're
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  also
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  a
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  student
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  of
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  Peter
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  Mathiasson,
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  who
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  was
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  a
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  Dharma
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  heir
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  of
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  Myzumi
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  Roshi.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  my,
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  my
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  and
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  as
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  I
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  recall,
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  my
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  Zumi
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  Roshi
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  combined
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  Soto
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  then
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  and
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  Rinzai.
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  And
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  so
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  I
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  think
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  the
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  first
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  koan
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  that
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  ask
• 1:10
  is,
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  does
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  Trump
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  have
• 1:12
  Buddha
• 1:12
  nature?
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  The
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  answer,
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  I'm
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  sure,
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  is
• 1:16
  moo.
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  The
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  answer
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  is
• 1:18
  moo.
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  Absolutely,
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  yes.
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  So
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  I
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  guess
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  for
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  those
• 1:24
  of
• 1:24
  us
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  and
• 1:25
  many
• 1:25
  of
• 1:25
  our
• 1:26
  listeners
• 1:27
  are
• 1:27
  familiar
• 1:27
  with
• 1:28
  Zen,
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  how
• 1:29
  do
• 1:29
  we,
• 1:29
  how
• 1:29
  do
• 1:30
  we
• 1:30
  proceed
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  in
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  this
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  time?
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  It's
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  a
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  really
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  difficult
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  time
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  and
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  it's
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  a
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  very
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  difficult
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  question
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  to
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  answer.
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  You
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  know,
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  if
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  you
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  go
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  traditional
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  way,
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  it's
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  you
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  sit,
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  you
• 1:44
  be
• 1:45
  mindful,
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  and
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  you
• 1:45
  have
• 1:46
  compassion.
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  And
• 1:47
  you
• 1:47
  have
• 1:47
  compassion,
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  believe
• 1:49
  it
• 1:49
  or
• 1:49
  not,
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  even
• 1:50
  for
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  someone
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  like
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  Donald
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  Trump.
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  And
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  you
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  pray,
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  you
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  know,
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  and
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  you
• 1:55
  pray
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  for
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  him
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  and
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  you
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  pray
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  that
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  somehow,
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  some
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  way,
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  this
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  will
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  all
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  shake
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  out
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  and
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  you
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  just
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  don't
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  know.
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  You
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  have
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  to
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  be
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  comfortable
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  with
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  not
• 2:05
  knowing.
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  This
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  is
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  a
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  very,
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  very
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  much
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  a
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  time
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  about
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  not
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  knowing,
• 2:08
  not
• 2:09
  knowing
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  what's
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  going
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  to
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  happen
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  next,
• 2:10
  not
• 2:10
  knowing
• 2:10
  what
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  the
• 2:11
  outcome's
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  going
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  to
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  be
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  and
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  being
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  okay
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  with
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  that
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  instead
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  of
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  getting
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  really
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  anxious
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  and
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  getting
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  really,
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  know,
• 2:18
  provoked
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  by
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  a
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  lot
• 2:19
  of
• 2:19
  this
• 2:19
  stuff.
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  So
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  that's
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  what
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  you
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  do
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  on
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  yourself,
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  on
• 2:23
  your
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  own.
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  It's,
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  it's
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  a
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  big
• 2:25
  struggle
• 2:25
  for
• 2:25
  me.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  a
• 2:26
  lot
• 2:26
  of
• 2:26
  other
• 2:26
  spiritual
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  people
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  I
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  hear,
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  hear
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  all
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  the
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  way
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  back
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  to,
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  like
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  the
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  Baran
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  brothers
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  and
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  the
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  Vietnam
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  War.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  how,
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  how
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  do
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  spiritual
• 2:38
  people,
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  people
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  of
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  the
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  cloth,
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  so
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  to
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  speak,
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  in
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  their
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  case,
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  you
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  know,
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  do
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  we
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  really
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  forcefully
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  come
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  out
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  against
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  some
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  of
• 2:48
  these
• 2:48
  things?
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  Do
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  we,
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  are
• 2:49
  we
• 2:49
  activists?
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  Are
• 2:50
  we
• 2:51
  pacifists?
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  You
• 2:52
  know
• 2:52
  what,
• 2:52
  who
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  are
• 2:53
  we?
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  My
• 2:54
  other
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  teacher,
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  who
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  was
• 2:57
  also
• 2:57
  my
• 2:57
  aunt,
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  actually
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  my
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  first
• 2:59
  cousin,
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  but
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  she
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  was
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  so
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  close.
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  We
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  called
• 3:01
  her,
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  yeah.
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  Joanna
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  Macy.
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  And
• 3:04
  Joanna,
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  who
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  is
• 3:05
  from
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  Bay
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  Area.
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  Well,
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  she
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  was
• 3:07
  originally
• 3:07
  from
• 3:07
  New
• 3:07
  York,
• 3:07
  but
• 3:08
  she
• 3:08
  lived
• 3:08
  for
• 3:08
  many
• 3:08
  years
• 3:08
  in
• 3:09
  Berkeley.
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  And,
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  and
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  she
• 3:11
  studied
• 3:11
  under
• 3:12
  Tibetan
• 3:12
  masters.
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  And
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  so
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  she
• 3:15
  was
• 3:15
  a
• 3:15
  big
• 3:15
  believer
• 3:16
  in
• 3:17
  the
• 3:17
  Shambhala
• 3:18
  warrior
• 3:18
  story,
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  which
• 3:19
  is
• 3:21
  you
• 3:21
  know,
• 3:21
  that
• 3:21
  there
• 3:22
  will
• 3:22
  come
• 3:22
  a
• 3:22
  time
• 3:22
  when
• 3:24
  things
• 3:24
  are
• 3:25
  looking
• 3:25
  really
• 3:25
  bad
• 3:25
  and
• 3:26
  there's
• 3:26
  a
• 3:26
  lot
• 3:26
  of
• 3:26
  stuff
• 3:27
  going
• 3:27
  on,
• 3:27
  and
• 3:27
  the
• 3:28
  Shambhala
• 3:28
  warrior
• 3:29
  has
• 3:29
  to
• 3:29
  be
• 3:30
  a
• 3:30
  warrior
• 3:30
  and
• 3:30
  has
• 3:31
  to
• 3:31
  come
• 3:31
  forth,
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  but
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  with
• 3:33
  heart
• 3:34
  and
• 3:34
  compassion
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  and
• 3:35
  love,
• 3:35
  and
• 3:35
  those
• 3:35
  are
• 3:36
  the
• 3:36
  tools
• 3:36
  that
• 3:36
  we
• 3:36
  use
• 3:37
  to
• 3:37
  fight.
• 3:37
  And.
• 3:38
  And
• 3:38
  that's.
• 3:39
  So
• 3:39
  it's
• 3:40
  not
• 3:40
  that
• 3:40
  we
• 3:40
  don't
• 3:40
  fight.
• 3:40
  It's
• 3:41
  not
• 3:41
  that
• 3:41
  we
• 3:41
  just,
• 3:42
  you
• 3:42
  know,
• 3:42
  are
• 3:43
  completely
• 3:43
  passive.
• 3:44
  We.
• 3:45
  We
• 3:45
  engage.
• 3:46
  And
• 3:46
  I
• 3:46
  believe,
• 3:47
  you
• 3:47
  know,
• 3:47
  from
• 3:48
  her
• 3:48
  standpoint,
• 3:48
  I
• 3:49
  believe
• 3:49
  that.
• 3:49
  And
• 3:50
  she
• 3:50
  was
• 3:50
  very
• 3:50
  much
• 3:50
  an
• 3:51
  activist.
• 3:51
  And
• 3:51
  so,
• 3:52
  you
• 3:52
  know,
• 3:52
  we
• 3:53
  engage
• 3:53
  hearts
• 3:53
  and
• 3:53
  minds.
• 3:54
  We
• 3:54
  engage
• 3:54
  using
• 3:55
  the
• 3:55
  tools
• 3:55
  that
• 3:55
  we
• 3:55
  have,
• 3:56
  as
• 3:56
  opposed
• 3:56
  to
• 3:56
  guns
• 3:57
  and
• 3:57
  bullets
• 3:57
  and
• 3:59
  shields
• 3:59
  and
• 4:00
  clubs.
• 4:01
  You
• 4:01
  know,
• 4:01
  our
• 4:01
  tools
• 4:02
  are
• 4:02
  love
• 4:02
  and
• 4:02
  compassion
• 4:03
  and
• 4:03
  patience
• 4:04
  and
• 4:04
  not
• 4:04
  knowing
• 4:05
  and
• 4:05
  all
• 4:05
  those
• 4:06
  wonderful
• 4:07
  tools.
• 4:07
  Yeah.
• 4:08
  And
• 4:08
  I
• 4:08
  have
• 4:08
  to
• 4:09
  say
• 4:09
  that,
• 4:10
  man,
• 4:10
  you
• 4:11
  know,
• 4:11
  I
• 4:11
  don't
• 4:11
  hate
• 4:12
  anyone.
• 4:13
  And
• 4:13
  I
• 4:13
  do
• 4:13
  have
• 4:14
  tremendous
• 4:14
  compassion
• 4:16
  to
• 4:16
  think
• 4:16
  about
• 4:17
  these
• 4:17
  guys
• 4:18
  in
• 4:18
  Minneapolis
• 4:19
  that
• 4:19
  are
• 4:19
  so
• 4:20
  kitted
• 4:21
  up
• 4:21
  like
• 4:21
  they're
• 4:21
  in
• 4:21
  Iran
• 4:22
  or
• 4:22
  Afghanistan
• 4:23
  so
• 4:23
  that
• 4:23
  they
• 4:23
  can
• 4:24
  face
• 4:24
  church
• 4:24
  ladies
• 4:25
  offering
• 4:25
  them
• 4:25
  hot
• 4:26
  chocolate.
• 4:27
  Yeah.
• 4:27
  You
• 4:27
  know,
• 4:28
  and.
• 4:29
  And
• 4:29
  the
• 4:29
  demons
• 4:29
  are
• 4:30
  thick
• 4:30
  on
• 4:30
  the
• 4:30
  ground,
• 4:31
  you
• 4:31
  know,
• 4:31
  and,
• 4:32
  you
• 4:32
  know,
• 4:32
  a
• 4:32
  lot
• 4:32
  of.
• 4:34
  A
• 4:34
  lot
• 4:34
  of
• 4:34
  people
• 4:35
  are
• 4:35
  trying
• 4:35
  to
• 4:36
  place
• 4:36
  demons
• 4:36
  on
• 4:37
  other
• 4:37
  people,
• 4:37
  and
• 4:38
  none
• 4:38
  for
• 4:38
  me,
• 4:39
  thanks
• 4:39
  to
• 4:40
  quote
• 4:40
  Mr.
• 4:40
  Natural.
• 4:41
  But
• 4:44
  what
• 4:44
  are
• 4:44
  your
• 4:45
  initial
• 4:45
  thoughts
• 4:46
  here,
• 4:46
  Adam?
• 4:48
  I
• 4:48
  think
• 4:48
  to
• 4:49
  go
• 4:49
  really,
• 4:49
  then
• 4:49
  with
• 4:50
  it.
• 4:51
  There's
• 4:51
  no
• 4:51
  Trump
• 4:52
  in
• 4:52
  my
• 4:52
  room
• 4:52
  right
• 4:52
  now.
• 4:54
  There's
• 4:55
  no
• 4:55
  trump
• 4:55
  here,
• 4:57
  so
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  am
• 4:58
  free.
• 5:00
  I.
• 5:00
  I
• 5:00
  know
• 5:00
  that
• 5:01
  that's
• 5:01
  a
• 5:01
  little
• 5:01
  esoteric,
• 5:02
  and
• 5:02
  I
• 5:02
  don't
• 5:02
  want
• 5:02
  to
• 5:02
  be
• 5:03
  glib
• 5:03
  about
• 5:03
  it,
• 5:04
  but
• 5:04
  I
• 5:04
  do
• 5:04
  think
• 5:04
  we've
• 5:05
  all
• 5:05
  experienced
• 5:06
  in
• 5:06
  our
• 5:07
  spiritual
• 5:07
  seeking
• 5:09
  how
• 5:09
  important
• 5:10
  it
• 5:10
  is
• 5:10
  to
• 5:10
  be
• 5:10
  present
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  mindful.
• 5:12
  And.
• 5:12
  And
• 5:13
  there's
• 5:13
  no
• 5:13
  Trump
• 5:13
  here.
• 5:14
  So
• 5:15
  that's
• 5:15
  my
• 5:15
  initial
• 5:16
  thought,
• 5:16
  to
• 5:16
  really
• 5:16
  go
• 5:16
  fully
• 5:17
  Zen
• 5:17
  on
• 5:17
  it
• 5:18
  in
• 5:18
  my.
• 5:18
  In
• 5:18
  my.
• 5:18
  In
• 5:19
  my.
• 5:19
  In
• 5:19
  my
• 5:20
  estimation
• 5:21
  of
• 5:21
  what
• 5:21
  that
• 5:22
  feels
• 5:22
  like.
• 5:22
  And
• 5:22
  it's.
• 5:23
  You
• 5:23
  have
• 5:23
  a
• 5:23
  concerned
• 5:23
  mind.
• 5:24
  There's
• 5:24
  a
• 5:24
  lot
• 5:24
  going
• 5:25
  on.
• 5:25
  You
• 5:25
  feel
• 5:25
  your
• 5:26
  heart
• 5:26
  goes
• 5:26
  out
• 5:26
  for
• 5:27
  people
• 5:27
  who
• 5:27
  are
• 5:27
  struggling.
• 5:28
  It's
• 5:28
  just.
• 5:29
  It's.
• 5:29
  It's
• 5:29
  so
• 5:29
  sad.
• 5:30
  But
• 5:31
  at
• 5:31
  the
• 5:31
  same
• 5:31
  time,
• 5:31
  you
• 5:31
  have
• 5:31
  to
• 5:31
  take
• 5:32
  care
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  yourself,
• 5:32
  take
• 5:32
  care
• 5:32
  of
• 5:32
  your
• 5:32
  mental
• 5:33
  health.
• 5:33
  And
• 5:33
  right
• 5:33
  now,
• 5:34
  in
• 5:34
  my
• 5:34
  room,
• 5:34
  there's
• 5:34
  no
• 5:34
  Trump.
• 5:35
  There's
• 5:35
  no
• 5:35
  Trump.
• 5:36
  That's
• 5:37
  well
• 5:37
  said.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:38
  I
• 5:38
  think
• 5:38
  that
• 5:38
  Trump
• 5:38
  want.
• 5:39
  Wants
• 5:39
  to
• 5:40
  be
• 5:40
  in
• 5:40
  this
• 5:40
  room.
• 5:41
  He
• 5:41
  wants
• 5:41
  to
• 5:41
  be
• 5:42
  in
• 5:42
  your
• 5:42
  room.
• 5:42
  He
• 5:42
  wants
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  be.
• 5:43
  He
• 5:43
  wants
• 5:43
  to
• 5:44
  suck
• 5:44
  all
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  oxygen
• 5:44
  out
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  everything.
• 5:45
  And
• 5:46
  sometimes
• 5:46
  you
• 5:46
  just
• 5:46
  say,
• 5:47
  no,
• 5:47
  you're
• 5:47
  not
• 5:48
  here.
• 5:48
  I'm
• 5:48
  not
• 5:48
  going
• 5:49
  to
• 5:49
  let
• 5:49
  you
• 5:49
  be
• 5:49
  here.
• 5:50
  You
• 5:51
  can't
• 5:51
  let
• 5:51
  him
• 5:51
  into
• 5:51
  your
• 5:51
  head.
• 5:52
  Your
• 5:52
  room,
• 5:52
  your
• 5:53
  head
• 5:53
  Your
• 5:53
  space,
• 5:53
  everything.
• 5:54
  It
• 5:54
  just.
• 5:54
  It's
• 5:55
  not.
• 5:55
  It's
• 5:55
  not
• 5:55
  good.
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  will
• 5:57
  say
• 5:57
  one
• 5:57
  thing
• 5:58
  that.
• 5:58
  And
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  get
• 5:59
  back
• 5:59
  to
• 5:59
  my
• 6:00
  book
• 6:00
  a
• 6:00
  little
• 6:00
  bit.
• 6:01
  So
• 6:02
  the.
• 6:02
  The
• 6:03
  middle
• 6:03
  of
• 6:04
  the
• 6:04
  book
• 6:04
  details
• 6:05
  a
• 6:05
  really
• 6:06
  intense
• 6:08
  opening
• 6:08
  experience
• 6:09
  that
• 6:09
  I
• 6:10
  had,
• 6:10
  and
• 6:11
  when
• 6:11
  I
• 6:11
  was
• 6:11
  studying
• 6:12
  with
• 6:12
  Peter,
• 6:12
  and.
• 6:14
  And
• 6:14
  it's
• 6:14
  an
• 6:15
  opening
• 6:15
  experience
• 6:15
  where
• 6:15
  I
• 6:16
  literally
• 6:16
  saw
• 6:17
  what
• 6:18
  teachers
• 6:18
  try
• 6:18
  to
• 6:19
  teach
• 6:19
  you
• 6:19
  as
• 6:19
  far
• 6:20
  as
• 6:20
  the
• 6:20
  dark
• 6:20
  and
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  light
• 6:21
  and
• 6:21
  the
• 6:21
  yin
• 6:22
  and
• 6:22
  the
• 6:22
  yang
• 6:22
  and
• 6:22
  the
• 6:23
  people.
• 6:23
  And
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  was
• 6:24
  at
• 6:24
  a.
• 6:26
  I
• 6:27
  was
• 6:27
  at
• 6:27
  an
• 6:27
  event
• 6:27
  that
• 6:28
  was
• 6:29
  being
• 6:30
  given.
• 6:30
  It
• 6:30
  was
• 6:30
  a
• 6:30
  public
• 6:30
  talk
• 6:31
  being
• 6:31
  given
• 6:31
  by
• 6:31
  Sharon
• 6:32
  Salzberg,
• 6:32
  who
• 6:33
  many
• 6:33
  people
• 6:33
  know.
• 6:35
  And
• 6:35
  she
• 6:35
  was
• 6:36
  up
• 6:36
  on
• 6:36
  stage,
• 6:36
  and
• 6:37
  it
• 6:37
  was
• 6:37
  in
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  Hamptons.
• 6:38
  And
• 6:38
  so
• 6:39
  there
• 6:39
  were
• 6:39
  maybe,
• 6:40
  I
• 6:40
  don't
• 6:40
  know,
• 6:41
  60,
• 6:41
  80
• 6:42
  people
• 6:42
  in
• 6:43
  the
• 6:43
  audience.
• 6:44
  And
• 6:44
  towards
• 6:45
  the
• 6:45
  end
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  her
• 6:45
  talk,
• 6:46
  she
• 6:46
  said,
• 6:47
  now,
• 6:47
  let's
• 6:47
  turn
• 6:47
  the
• 6:48
  lights
• 6:48
  down
• 6:48
  low.
• 6:48
  And
• 6:49
  so
• 6:50
  there
• 6:50
  were
• 6:50
  some
• 6:50
  people
• 6:50
  that
• 6:51
  were,
• 6:51
  like
• 6:51
  me,
• 6:51
  who
• 6:51
  were
• 6:52
  very
• 6:52
  serious
• 6:52
  and
• 6:52
  practitioners,
• 6:53
  and
• 6:53
  we
• 6:54
  were
• 6:54
  sitting
• 6:54
  on
• 6:54
  our
• 6:54
  cushions
• 6:54
  on
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  floor,
• 6:55
  but
• 6:55
  there
• 6:55
  were
• 6:55
  plenty
• 6:55
  of
• 6:56
  other
• 6:56
  people
• 6:56
  who
• 6:56
  were
• 6:56
  just
• 6:56
  curious,
• 6:57
  who
• 6:57
  had
• 6:57
  read
• 6:57
  her
• 6:57
  books
• 6:58
  or
• 6:58
  whatever,
• 6:58
  and.
• 6:59
  And
• 6:59
  were
• 6:59
  sitting
• 6:59
  in
• 7:00
  chairs
• 7:00
  and.
• 7:00
  And
• 7:00
  were
• 7:01
  there.
• 7:01
  And
• 7:01
  so
• 7:01
  she
• 7:01
  said
• 7:02
  she
• 7:02
  gave
• 7:03
  sort
• 7:03
  of
• 7:03
  beginning
• 7:04
  loving
• 7:04
  kindness
• 7:05
  meditation
• 7:05
  instruction
• 7:06
  for
• 7:06
  five
• 7:06
  or
• 7:07
  10
• 7:07
  minutes
• 7:07
  and
• 7:07
  said,
• 7:08
  okay,
• 7:08
  now
• 7:08
  turn
• 7:08
  the
• 7:09
  lights
• 7:09
  down,
• 7:09
  everybody
• 7:10
  close
• 7:10
  your
• 7:10
  eyes
• 7:10
  or
• 7:10
  leave
• 7:11
  them
• 7:11
  half
• 7:11
  open,
• 7:11
  whatever.
• 7:13
  And.
• 7:14
  And
• 7:14
  a.
• 7:15
  A
• 7:15
  switch
• 7:15
  flipped
• 7:16
  in
• 7:16
  my
• 7:16
  brain.
• 7:16
  Literally,
• 7:17
  it
• 7:17
  just.
• 7:17
  All
• 7:17
  of
• 7:18
  a
• 7:18
  sudden,
• 7:18
  I
• 7:18
  saw
• 7:18
  the
• 7:19
  world
• 7:19
  in
• 7:19
  a
• 7:19
  very
• 7:19
  different
• 7:20
  way.
• 7:20
  The
• 7:20
  entire
• 7:21
  world
• 7:21
  was
• 7:21
  just
• 7:21
  energy.
• 7:23
  It
• 7:23
  was
• 7:23
  no
• 7:23
  longer
• 7:24
  mass,
• 7:24
  although
• 7:25
  you
• 7:25
  could
• 7:25
  sort
• 7:25
  of
• 7:25
  see
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  outlines
• 7:26
  of
• 7:26
  people
• 7:26
  in
• 7:26
  mass.
• 7:27
  But
• 7:27
  what
• 7:27
  was
• 7:27
  really,
• 7:29
  as
• 7:29
  I
• 7:29
  said
• 7:29
  to
• 7:30
  Peter
• 7:30
  afterwards,
• 7:30
  what
• 7:30
  really
• 7:31
  freaked
• 7:31
  me
• 7:31
  out
• 7:33
  was
• 7:33
  that
• 7:33
  I
• 7:33
  saw
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  darkness
• 7:34
  inside,
• 7:34
  literally
• 7:35
  everybody
• 7:35
  in
• 7:35
  that
• 7:35
  room,
• 7:35
  including
• 7:36
  Sharon
• 7:36
  Salzberg,
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  know,
• 7:37
  who
• 7:37
  you
• 7:37
  would
• 7:37
  think
• 7:38
  she's
• 7:38
  this
• 7:38
  very
• 7:38
  enlightened
• 7:39
  person.
• 7:39
  She's
• 7:39
  loving
• 7:40
  kindness.
• 7:41
  And
• 7:41
  yet
• 7:41
  even
• 7:42
  in
• 7:42
  her,
• 7:42
  you
• 7:42
  saw
• 7:43
  this
• 7:43
  sort
• 7:43
  of
• 7:44
  dark
• 7:44
  energy,
• 7:44
  this
• 7:45
  kernel
• 7:45
  of
• 7:45
  dark
• 7:45
  energy.
• 7:47
  So,
• 7:47
  you
• 7:48
  know,
• 7:48
  you
• 7:48
  see
• 7:48
  that,
• 7:49
  and
• 7:49
  then
• 7:49
  you
• 7:49
  think
• 7:50
  about
• 7:50
  people
• 7:50
  like
• 7:51
  Trump
• 7:51
  or
• 7:51
  like
• 7:52
  the
• 7:52
  ice
• 7:52
  agents,
• 7:52
  and
• 7:53
  you
• 7:53
  realize
• 7:53
  that
• 7:54
  we
• 7:54
  have
• 7:54
  the
• 7:54
  capacity
• 7:55
  to
• 7:55
  develop
• 7:55
  both
• 7:55
  the
• 7:56
  light
• 7:56
  and
• 7:56
  the
• 7:56
  dark
• 7:56
  within
• 7:57
  us.
• 7:58
  And
• 7:58
  as
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  loving
• 7:59
  kindness
• 8:00
  practitioner,
• 8:00
  she'd
• 8:01
  obviously
• 8:01
  developed
• 8:02
  the
• 8:02
  light
• 8:02
  in
• 8:02
  her
• 8:03
  much,
• 8:03
  much
• 8:04
  more
• 8:04
  than
• 8:04
  the
• 8:04
  dark,
• 8:04
  but
• 8:04
  the
• 8:05
  dark
• 8:05
  was
• 8:05
  still
• 8:05
  there.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:06
  then
• 8:06
  you
• 8:06
  look
• 8:07
  at
• 8:07
  people
• 8:07
  like
• 8:07
  Donald
• 8:08
  Trump,
• 8:08
  who,
• 8:08
  I
• 8:08
  hate
• 8:09
  to
• 8:09
  say
• 8:09
  it,
• 8:09
  if
• 8:10
  he
• 8:10
  could
• 8:10
  sit
• 8:10
  in
• 8:10
  front
• 8:11
  of
• 8:11
  me
• 8:11
  and
• 8:11
  I
• 8:11
  could
• 8:11
  have
• 8:11
  that
• 8:11
  experience
• 8:12
  again,
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  am
• 8:13
  sure
• 8:13
  that
• 8:13
  I
• 8:13
  would
• 8:13
  see
• 8:14
  much
• 8:14
  more
• 8:14
  dark
• 8:14
  energy
• 8:15
  than
• 8:15
  light
• 8:15
  energy.
• 8:16
  You
• 8:16
  know,
• 8:16
  he's
• 8:16
  developed
• 8:17
  it,
• 8:18
  but
• 8:18
  people
• 8:18
  can
• 8:18
  change.
• 8:19
  They
• 8:19
  can.
• 8:19
  You
• 8:19
  know,
• 8:19
  it's
• 8:20
  so.
• 8:20
  So
• 8:20
  you
• 8:21
  see
• 8:21
  that,
• 8:22
  and
• 8:22
  that's
• 8:22
  how
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  have
• 8:23
  Compassion
• 8:23
  for
• 8:23
  somebody
• 8:24
  because
• 8:24
  he's
• 8:24
  like,
• 8:25
  all
• 8:25
  of
• 8:25
  us,
• 8:25
  we're
• 8:25
  all
• 8:25
  the
• 8:25
  same.
• 8:26
  We
• 8:26
  all
• 8:26
  have
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  yin
• 8:27
  and
• 8:27
  yang
• 8:28
  inside
• 8:28
  of
• 8:28
  us.
• 8:28
  We
• 8:28
  all
• 8:28
  have
• 8:28
  these
• 8:29
  two
• 8:29
  sides
• 8:29
  to
• 8:29
  us.
• 8:29
  It's
• 8:30
  just
• 8:31
  which
• 8:31
  side
• 8:31
  we
• 8:32
  get
• 8:32
  in
• 8:32
  touch
• 8:32
  with.
• 8:32
  I
• 8:33
  mean,
• 8:33
  that's
• 8:33
  why
• 8:33
  Star
• 8:33
  wars
• 8:34
  was
• 8:34
  such
• 8:34
  a
• 8:34
  hit.
• 8:34
  You
• 8:35
  know,
• 8:35
  the
• 8:35
  dark
• 8:35
  side
• 8:35
  versus.
• 8:36
  It's
• 8:36
  like
• 8:37
  people
• 8:37
  intuitively
• 8:37
  know
• 8:38
  that
• 8:38
  there's
• 8:39
  a
• 8:39
  dark
• 8:39
  side
• 8:40
  with,
• 8:40
  you
• 8:41
  know,
• 8:41
  Darth
• 8:41
  Vader
• 8:42
  and
• 8:42
  there's
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  light
• 8:43
  side
• 8:43
  with,
• 8:43
  you
• 8:44
  know,
• 8:44
  Yoda
• 8:45
  and
• 8:45
  Obi
• 8:46
  Wan.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:46
  so
• 8:48
  the.
• 8:48
  So
• 8:48
  you.
• 8:49
  Once
• 8:49
  you
• 8:49
  really,
• 8:50
  really
• 8:50
  see
• 8:50
  that.
• 8:50
  And
• 8:51
  it's
• 8:51
  more
• 8:51
  than
• 8:52
  just
• 8:52
  a.
• 8:52
  A
• 8:53
  philosophy
• 8:53
  once,
• 8:54
  you
• 8:54
  know,
• 8:54
  it's
• 8:54
  a
• 8:54
  reality.
• 8:55
  Yeah.
• 8:56
  It
• 8:56
  enables
• 8:56
  you
• 8:57
  to
• 8:57
  really
• 8:57
  have
• 8:58
  compassion
• 8:58
  and
• 8:59
  to
• 8:59
  look
• 8:59
  at
• 8:59
  what's
• 9:00
  going
• 9:00
  on
• 9:00
  and
• 9:00
  go,
• 9:01
  okay,
• 9:02
  well,
• 9:02
  I
• 9:02
  think.
• 9:03
  And
• 9:03
  also
• 9:03
  I.
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  do
• 9:04
  this
• 9:05
  in
• 9:05
  my
• 9:05
  teaching,
• 9:05
  and
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  think
• 9:06
  Adam
• 9:06
  does
• 9:06
  too.
• 9:06
  It.
• 9:07
  I
• 9:08
  hold
• 9:08
  space
• 9:10
  for
• 9:10
  the
• 9:10
  light
• 9:10
  to
• 9:10
  show
• 9:11
  up.
• 9:11
  Yes.
• 9:12
  You
• 9:12
  know,
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  just.
• 9:14
  I
• 9:14
  don't
• 9:14
  ask
• 9:15
  for
• 9:15
  it.
• 9:15
  I
• 9:16
  don't
• 9:16
  say,
• 9:16
  oh,
• 9:17
  you
• 9:17
  should
• 9:17
  do
• 9:18
  the
• 9:18
  light.
• 9:18
  No,
• 9:18
  no,
• 9:19
  I,
• 9:19
  I
• 9:19
  just,
• 9:20
  by
• 9:21
  my
• 9:22
  presence,
• 9:22
  hold
• 9:23
  space.
• 9:24
  And
• 9:24
  I,
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  really
• 9:25
  find
• 9:25
  that
• 9:26
  to
• 9:26
  be.
• 9:28
  I
• 9:28
  was
• 9:29
  in
• 9:30
  at
• 9:30
  a
• 9:30
  lecture
• 9:30
  that
• 9:31
  the,
• 9:31
  that
• 9:31
  his
• 9:31
  Holiness
• 9:32
  the
• 9:32
  Dalai
• 9:32
  Lama
• 9:33
  gave,
• 9:33
  and
• 9:33
  I,
• 9:33
  I
• 9:33
  felt
• 9:34
  it
• 9:35
  was
• 9:35
  so
• 9:35
  interesting
• 9:35
  about
• 9:36
  when
• 9:36
  he
• 9:36
  got
• 9:36
  on
• 9:36
  the
• 9:37
  Lotus
• 9:37
  Throne
• 9:37
  and
• 9:38
  assumed
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  affect
• 9:39
  of
• 9:39
  Abba.
• 9:40
  Could
• 9:40
  you.
• 9:41
  It
• 9:41
  was
• 9:42
  so
• 9:42
  interesting
• 9:42
  about
• 9:43
  how
• 9:43
  that
• 9:44
  presence
• 9:45
  was
• 9:46
  so
• 9:46
  palpable.
• 9:48
  So
• 9:50
  anyway,
• 9:52
  and
• 9:55
  we're
• 9:55
  coming
• 9:55
  up
• 9:55
  on
• 9:56
  a
• 9:56
  bit
• 9:56
  of
• 9:56
  a
• 9:56
  break
• 9:57
  here.
• 9:57
  You've
• 9:58
  written
• 9:58
  two
• 9:58
  books.
• 9:59
  One
• 10:00
  of
• 10:00
  them
• 10:00
  is
• 10:00
  called
• 10:01
  Passage
• 10:02
  Turn
• 10:02
  of
• 10:02
  Verna,
• 10:03
  and
• 10:04
  the
• 10:04
  other
• 10:04
  one
• 10:04
  is
• 10:04
  a
• 10:04
  Single
• 10:05
  Excellent
• 10:06
  Night.
• 10:07
  What
• 10:07
  was
• 10:08
  the
• 10:08
  Single
• 10:08
  Excellent
• 10:09
  Night?
• 10:11
  So
• 10:11
  it
• 10:11
  comes
• 10:12
  from
• 10:14
  a
• 10:14
  saying
• 10:15
  attributed
• 10:15
  to
• 10:15
  the
• 10:15
  Buddha.
• 10:16
  I'll
• 10:17
  actually
• 10:17
  read
• 10:17
  it.
• 10:17
  Sorry,
• 10:18
  I
• 10:18
  should
• 10:18
  have
• 10:18
  reached
• 10:19
  down
• 10:19
  and
• 10:19
  grabbed
• 10:19
  my
• 10:19
  book.
• 10:21
  So
• 10:21
  it's.
• 10:22
  I'll
• 10:22
  read
• 10:22
  it
• 10:23
  to
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  because
• 10:23
  it's
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  very
• 10:23
  beautiful
• 10:24
  passage.
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  have
• 10:25
  it
• 10:25
  sort
• 10:26
  of
• 10:26
  memorized,
• 10:26
  but
• 10:26
  just
• 10:27
  in
• 10:27
  case.
• 10:28
  So
• 10:28
  the
• 10:28
  passage
• 10:29
  is,
• 10:30
  let
• 10:31
  not
• 10:31
  a
• 10:31
  person
• 10:31
  run
• 10:32
  back
• 10:32
  to
• 10:32
  the
• 10:32
  past
• 10:34
  or
• 10:34
  on
• 10:34
  the
• 10:35
  future
• 10:35
  build
• 10:35
  their
• 10:35
  hopes,
• 10:37
  for
• 10:38
  the
• 10:38
  past
• 10:38
  has
• 10:38
  been
• 10:38
  left
• 10:39
  behind
• 10:39
  and
• 10:39
  the
• 10:40
  future
• 10:40
  has
• 10:40
  not
• 10:40
  yet
• 10:41
  been
• 10:41
  reached.
• 10:42
  Instead,
• 10:43
  with
• 10:43
  insight,
• 10:44
  let
• 10:44
  them
• 10:44
  see
• 10:46
  each
• 10:46
  present
• 10:46
  moment.
• 10:48
  It
• 10:48
  is
• 10:48
  this
• 10:49
  person
• 10:49
  who
• 10:49
  has
• 10:50
  had
• 10:50
  a
• 10:51
  single
• 10:51
  excellent
• 10:52
  night.
• 10:53
  And
• 10:54
  that's
• 10:54
  from
• 10:54
  one
• 10:54
  of
• 10:54
  the
• 10:55
  sutras
• 10:56
  that's
• 10:56
  2000
• 10:56
  years
• 10:57
  old
• 10:57
  and
• 10:57
  attributed
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  the
• 10:58
  Buddha.
• 10:59
  And
• 10:59
  I
• 10:59
  just
• 10:59
  think
• 10:59
  that
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  really
• 11:00
  sums
• 11:01
  it
• 11:01
  all
• 11:01
  up.
• 11:01
  It's,
• 11:02
  you
• 11:02
  know,
• 11:02
  that
• 11:02
  idea
• 11:03
  of
• 11:04
  don't
• 11:05
  live
• 11:05
  in
• 11:05
  the
• 11:05
  past,
• 11:05
  don't
• 11:06
  live
• 11:06
  in
• 11:06
  the
• 11:06
  future.
• 11:06
  Just
• 11:07
  live
• 11:07
  right
• 11:07
  here
• 11:07
  in
• 11:07
  this
• 11:08
  moment,
• 11:08
  and
• 11:08
  you
• 11:08
  will
• 11:08
  have
• 11:09
  a
• 11:10
  singular
• 11:10
  excellent
• 11:11
  moment.
• 11:13
  Well,
• 11:15
  this
• 11:15
  is
• 11:15
  really
• 11:15
  fun.
• 11:16
  I'm
• 11:16
  glad
• 11:16
  that
• 11:16
  you're
• 11:17
  our
• 11:17
  guest
• 11:17
  today.
• 11:18
  I'm
• 11:18
  Anthony
• 11:18
  Wright
• 11:19
  and
• 11:19
  I
• 11:19
  am
• 11:19
  your
• 11:20
  host
• 11:20
  today
• 11:21
  with
• 11:21
  my
• 11:21
  co
• 11:22
  host,
• 11:22
  Adam
• 11:22
  Dietz.
• 11:23
  Thanks
• 11:23
  for
• 11:23
  joining.
• 11:24
  We're
• 11:24
  on
• 11:24
  the
• 11:25
  Living
• 11:25
  Conversation
• 11:26
  and
• 11:26
  we
• 11:26
  are
• 11:26
  talking
• 11:27
  with
• 11:27
  our
• 11:27
  guest,
• 11:29
  also
• 11:30
  fellow
• 11:31
  sun
• 11:31
  practitioner
• 11:32
  Lee
• 11:32
  Carlson.
• 11:33
  And
• 11:34
  where
• 11:34
  are
• 11:34
  you
• 11:34
  located,
• 11:35
  Lee?
• 11:35
  And
• 11:35
  how
• 11:35
  could
• 11:36
  people
• 11:36
  contact
• 11:37
  you?
• 11:38
  So
• 11:40
  people
• 11:40
  can
• 11:41
  contact
• 11:41
  me.
• 11:42
  I
• 11:42
  have
• 11:42
  a
• 11:42
  website
• 11:42
  which
• 11:43
  is
• 11:43
  Lee
• 11:43
  Carlson
• 11:44
  Life,
• 11:45
  not
• 11:45
  Lee
• 11:45
  Carlson.com
• 11:46
  but
• 11:46
  Lee
• 11:46
  Carlson
• 11:47
  Life.
• 11:48
  And
• 11:48
  all
• 11:48
  my
• 11:49
  contact
• 11:49
  info
• 11:49
  is
• 11:49
  on
• 11:50
  there.
• 11:50
  You
• 11:50
  can
• 11:50
  send
• 11:50
  me
• 11:51
  an
• 11:51
  email
• 11:51
  at
• 11:51
  Lee
• 11:52
  Lee
• 11:52
  Carlson
• 11:52
  Life.
• 11:53
  My
• 11:53
  phone
• 11:53
  number
• 11:53
  is
• 11:54
  on
• 11:54
  there.
• 11:54
  I
• 11:55
  always
• 11:55
  happy
• 11:56
  to
• 11:56
  communicate
• 11:57
  with
• 11:57
  people.
• 11:58
  I
• 11:58
  also
• 11:58
  am
• 11:59
  on
• 11:59
  Facebook
• 11:59
  and
• 12:00
  Instagram
• 12:00
  and,
• 12:01
  and
• 12:01
  threads
• 12:02
  and
• 12:02
  X,
• 12:03
  much
• 12:03
  as
• 12:03
  I
• 12:03
  hate
• 12:03
  to
• 12:03
  be
• 12:03
  on
• 12:04
  X.
• 12:05
  But
• 12:06
  all
• 12:06
  those
• 12:06
  links
• 12:06
  are
• 12:07
  on
• 12:07
  my
• 12:07
  website.
• 12:08
  So,
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  know,
• 12:08
  I,
• 12:09
  I'm
• 12:10
  a
• 12:11
  bit
• 12:11
  of
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  teacher,
• 12:11
  although
• 12:12
  I'm
• 12:12
  peripatetic.
• 12:13
  When
• 12:13
  you
• 12:13
  ask
• 12:13
  where
• 12:13
  I'm
• 12:13
  located,
• 12:14
  I
• 12:14
  always
• 12:15
  chuckle
• 12:15
  because
• 12:16
  I'd
• 12:17
  been
• 12:17
  living
• 12:17
  on
• 12:17
  my
• 12:17
  boat
• 12:18
  for
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  last
• 12:18
  20
• 12:18
  years
• 12:19
  and
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  was
• 12:20
  going
• 12:20
  up
• 12:20
  and
• 12:21
  down
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  east
• 12:21
  coast
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  to
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  Bahamas.
• 12:23
  And
• 12:23
  so
• 12:24
  I
• 12:24
  led
• 12:24
  a
• 12:24
  very
• 12:24
  peripatetic
• 12:25
  lifestyle.
• 12:25
  I
• 12:26
  recently
• 12:26
  sold
• 12:26
  my
• 12:26
  boat
• 12:27
  this
• 12:27
  spring
• 12:28
  and
• 12:28
  I'm
• 12:29
  from
• 12:29
  Buffalo,
• 12:29
  New
• 12:29
  York,
• 12:30
  originally.
• 12:30
  And
• 12:30
  so
• 12:30
  I'm
• 12:31
  very
• 12:31
  fortunate.
• 12:31
  I'm
• 12:32
  back
• 12:32
  in
• 12:32
  Buffalo
• 12:32
  with
• 12:33
  family
• 12:33
  and
• 12:33
  friends
• 12:34
  and
• 12:34
  I'm
• 12:34
  not
• 12:35
  really
• 12:35
  sure
• 12:36
  how
• 12:36
  much
• 12:37
  longer
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  is.
• 12:38
  I
• 12:39
  haven't
• 12:39
  decided
• 12:39
  yet
• 12:40
  where
• 12:40
  or
• 12:40
  if
• 12:40
  I'm
• 12:41
  going
• 12:41
  to
• 12:41
  settle.
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  have,
• 12:41
  part
• 12:41
  of
• 12:42
  me
• 12:42
  thinks
• 12:42
  I
• 12:42
  may
• 12:42
  just
• 12:43
  hop
• 12:44
  in
• 12:44
  my
• 12:44
  van
• 12:44
  and
• 12:45
  start
• 12:45
  driving
• 12:45
  around
• 12:46
  and
• 12:46
  visiting
• 12:46
  Zen
• 12:46
  centers
• 12:47
  and
• 12:48
  bookstores
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  giving
• 12:49
  talks
• 12:49
  and
• 12:49
  be
• 12:50
  sort
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  a
• 12:50
  Johnny
• 12:50
  Appleseed
• 12:51
  of
• 12:51
  Zen.
• 12:51
  I
• 12:51
  don't
• 12:51
  know.
• 12:52
  We'll
• 12:52
  see
• 12:52
  what
• 12:52
  happens.
• 12:53
  It's
• 12:53
  a
• 12:53
  little
• 12:53
  up
• 12:53
  in
• 12:53
  the
• 12:54
  air
• 12:54
  at
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  moment.
• 12:54
  Oh,
• 12:55
  no,
• 12:55
  that's
• 12:55
  great.
• 12:55
  But
• 12:55
  you're
• 12:56
  going
• 12:56
  to
• 12:56
  keep
• 12:56
  your,
• 12:57
  your
• 12:57
  website
• 12:57
  alive,
• 12:58
  so.
• 12:58
  Oh,
• 12:59
  absolutely.
• 12:59
  Yes.
• 12:59
  All
• 13:00
  right.
• 13:00
  Well,
• 13:00
  we're
• 13:00
  going
• 13:00
  to
• 13:00
  take
• 13:00
  a
• 13:01
  short
• 13:01
  break
• 13:01
  and
• 13:01
  be
• 13:01
  right
• 13:01
  back.
• 13:02
  So
• 13:02
  stay
• 13:02
  tuned.
• 13:03
  I'm
• 13:04
  Anthony
• 13:04
  Wright
• 13:04
  and
• 13:05
  I
• 13:05
  am
• 13:05
  your
• 13:05
  co
• 13:06
  host
• 13:06
  today
• 13:06
  on
• 13:07
  the
• 13:07
  Living
• 13:07
  Conversation
• 13:08
  with
• 13:08
  Adam
• 13:09
  Dietz.
• 13:09
  Welcome
• 13:10
  back.
• 13:10
  And
• 13:11
  we
• 13:11
  are
• 13:12
  talking
• 13:12
  with
• 13:12
  our
• 13:13
  guest
• 13:14
  10
• 13:14
  practitioner
• 13:15
  Lee
• 13:15
  Carlson.
• 13:16
  And
• 13:16
  Lee,
• 13:17
  you
• 13:17
  are
• 13:17
  a
• 13:17
  student
• 13:18
  of
• 13:18
  Peter
• 13:19
  Mathiason,
• 13:20
  who
• 13:20
  was
• 13:20
  a
• 13:20
  Dharma
• 13:20
  heir
• 13:21
  of
• 13:23
  Maizumi
• 13:23
  Roshi
• 13:24
  who
• 13:24
  first
• 13:24
  came
• 13:24
  to
• 13:25
  Los
• 13:25
  Angeles.
• 13:27
  And
• 13:27
  you've
• 13:27
  written
• 13:28
  two
• 13:28
  books.
• 13:28
  I
• 13:28
  really
• 13:29
  appreciated
• 13:29
  what
• 13:30
  the
• 13:31
  quote
• 13:31
  was
• 13:32
  from
• 13:32
  a
• 13:32
  single
• 13:32
  excellent
• 13:33
  night.
• 13:33
  But
• 13:33
  let's
• 13:34
  start.
• 13:34
  You're
• 13:37
  a
• 13:37
  sea
• 13:38
  captain,
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  certified
• 13:39
  sea
• 13:39
  captain.
• 13:39
  And
• 13:40
  you
• 13:40
  were
• 13:41
  born
• 13:42
  in
• 13:43
  California
• 13:44
  on
• 13:44
  a
• 13:45
  naval
• 13:45
  base,
• 13:46
  is
• 13:46
  that
• 13:46
  right?
• 13:47
  Correct.
• 13:47
  Yes,
• 13:47
  I,
• 13:48
  I,
• 13:48
  and
• 13:49
  I'm
• 13:49
  a
• 13:49
  Pisces
• 13:49
  with
• 13:50
  Aquarius.
• 13:50
  So
• 13:51
  I'm
• 13:51
  like,
• 13:51
  I'm
• 13:52
  totally
• 13:52
  water.
• 13:53
  Okay.
• 13:54
  I'm
• 13:54
  a
• 13:54
  Pisan
• 13:55
  as
• 13:55
  well.
• 13:55
  So.
• 13:56
  But
• 13:56
  we
• 13:56
  can
• 13:57
  talk
• 13:57
  about
• 13:57
  that.
• 13:58
  What's,
• 13:59
  what
• 13:59
  is
• 13:59
  it?
• 14:00
  That
• 14:00
  is.
• 14:05
  What,
• 14:06
  what
• 14:06
  could
• 14:06
  you
• 14:07
  offer
• 14:07
  our
• 14:07
  audience
• 14:08
  to
• 14:08
  know
• 14:08
  about
• 14:08
  what
• 14:09
  it
• 14:09
  is
• 14:09
  to
• 14:09
  be
• 14:12
  a
• 14:12
  boat
• 14:13
  and
• 14:13
  sailing
• 14:14
  in
• 14:14
  terms
• 14:15
  of
• 14:16
  10
• 14:16
  practice?
• 14:17
  Sure.
• 14:18
  So
• 14:18
  to
• 14:19
  get
• 14:19
  back
• 14:19
  to
• 14:19
  Peter
• 14:20
  Matheson
• 14:20
  for
• 14:20
  a
• 14:20
  second,
• 14:21
  his
• 14:21
  zendo,
• 14:22
  he
• 14:22
  had
• 14:22
  his
• 14:22
  little,
• 14:23
  what
• 14:23
  he
• 14:23
  called
• 14:23
  a
• 14:23
  little
• 14:23
  country
• 14:24
  zendo,
• 14:24
  which
• 14:25
  was
• 14:25
  a,
• 14:26
  it
• 14:27
  was
• 14:27
  an
• 14:27
  old
• 14:27
  two
• 14:28
  stall
• 14:28
  horse
• 14:29
  barn
• 14:29
  out
• 14:30
  by
• 14:30
  his
• 14:30
  house
• 14:30
  that
• 14:31
  he
• 14:31
  had
• 14:31
  converted
• 14:31
  into
• 14:32
  a
• 14:32
  zendo.
• 14:32
  So
• 14:32
  it
• 14:33
  was
• 14:33
  really
• 14:34
  a
• 14:34
  very,
• 14:35
  it
• 14:35
  had
• 14:35
  this
• 14:35
  great
• 14:36
  vibe
• 14:36
  to
• 14:36
  it.
• 14:36
  It
• 14:36
  was
• 14:36
  all
• 14:37
  these
• 14:37
  old
• 14:37
  wooden,
• 14:38
  you
• 14:38
  know,
• 14:38
  worm
• 14:39
  eaten
• 14:39
  boards.
• 14:40
  But
• 14:41
  they
• 14:41
  had
• 14:41
  he.
• 14:41
  And
• 14:42
  before
• 14:42
  I
• 14:42
  met
• 14:42
  him,
• 14:43
  before
• 14:43
  I
• 14:44
  joined
• 14:44
  with
• 14:44
  him,
• 14:44
  his
• 14:45
  people
• 14:46
  that
• 14:47
  he
• 14:47
  was
• 14:47
  teaching
• 14:47
  got
• 14:48
  together.
• 14:48
  They
• 14:48
  put
• 14:49
  in
• 14:49
  new
• 14:49
  floors,
• 14:50
  they
• 14:50
  put
• 14:50
  in
• 14:50
  some
• 14:51
  insulation,
• 14:51
  they
• 14:52
  put
• 14:53
  into
• 14:53
  tommy
• 14:53
  mats
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  made
• 14:54
  it
• 14:54
  into
• 14:54
  a
• 14:55
  very
• 14:55
  little
• 14:56
  Japanese
• 14:57
  zendo.
• 14:57
  And
• 14:58
  he
• 14:58
  called
• 14:58
  it
• 14:58
  the
• 14:58
  ocean
• 14:59
  zendo
• 14:59
  because
• 14:59
  it
• 15:00
  was
• 15:00
  only
• 15:00
  about,
• 15:01
  oh,
• 15:02
  half
• 15:02
  a
• 15:03
  mile
• 15:03
  from
• 15:03
  the
• 15:03
  ocean,
• 15:05
  from
• 15:05
  the
• 15:05
  beaches
• 15:05
  in
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  Hamptons.
• 15:07
  And
• 15:07
  it
• 15:07
  was
• 15:08
  also,
• 15:09
  if
• 15:09
  people
• 15:09
  know
• 15:10
  Zen,
• 15:10
  there's
• 15:11
  a
• 15:11
  lot
• 15:11
  of
• 15:11
  use
• 15:12
  of
• 15:12
  metaphors
• 15:12
  in
• 15:12
  Zen
• 15:13
  of
• 15:13
  the
• 15:13
  ocean.
• 15:13
  The
• 15:14
  ocean
• 15:14
  is
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  metaphor
• 15:15
  for
• 15:15
  mind,
• 15:16
  the
• 15:16
  vastness
• 15:16
  of
• 15:17
  mind.
• 15:18
  And
• 15:18
  so
• 15:19
  it
• 15:19
  had
• 15:19
  a,
• 15:19
  you
• 15:19
  know,
• 15:19
  it
• 15:20
  was
• 15:20
  a
• 15:20
  double
• 15:20
  entendre.
• 15:20
  It
• 15:21
  was
• 15:21
  partly
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  place
• 15:21
  that
• 15:22
  it
• 15:22
  was,
• 15:22
  but
• 15:22
  it
• 15:22
  was
• 15:22
  also
• 15:23
  that.
• 15:24
  And
• 15:24
  I
• 15:24
  would
• 15:24
  say,
• 15:25
  you
• 15:25
  know,
• 15:25
  I've
• 15:25
  spent
• 15:26
  a
• 15:26
  good
• 15:26
  part
• 15:27
  of
• 15:27
  my
• 15:27
  life
• 15:27
  on
• 15:27
  the
• 15:27
  ocean,
• 15:28
  you
• 15:29
  know,
• 15:29
  I
• 15:29
  was
• 15:29
  born
• 15:29
  on
• 15:29
  a
• 15:29
  navy
• 15:29
  base,
• 15:30
  you
• 15:30
  said,
• 15:30
  and
• 15:31
  I
• 15:31
  grew
• 15:31
  up
• 15:31
  sailing
• 15:32
  and
• 15:32
  my,
• 15:32
  since
• 15:33
  my
• 15:33
  dad,
• 15:33
  when
• 15:33
  he
• 15:33
  got
• 15:34
  out
• 15:34
  of
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  navy,
• 15:34
  you
• 15:34
  know,
• 15:35
  he
• 15:35
  still
• 15:35
  was
• 15:35
  a
• 15:35
  sailor
• 15:36
  and
• 15:36
  we
• 15:37
  know,
• 15:37
  took
• 15:37
  family
• 15:37
  sailing
• 15:38
  trips
• 15:38
  and
• 15:39
  had
• 15:39
  a
• 15:39
  little
• 15:39
  sailboat
• 15:40
  and,
• 15:40
  and
• 15:40
  I,
• 15:41
  so
• 15:41
  I've
• 15:41
  spent
• 15:41
  a
• 15:41
  lot
• 15:42
  of
• 15:42
  time
• 15:42
  and,
• 15:44
  and
• 15:44
  then
• 15:44
  my
• 15:45
  first
• 15:45
  captain's
• 15:45
  gig,
• 15:46
  I
• 15:46
  was
• 15:46
  only
• 15:46
  19
• 15:46
  years
• 15:47
  old
• 15:47
  and,
• 15:48
  and
• 15:48
  so
• 15:48
  I
• 15:48
  captained
• 15:49
  for
• 15:49
  a
• 15:49
  while
• 15:49
  in
• 15:49
  my
• 15:50
  twenties,
• 15:50
  but
• 15:50
  then
• 15:50
  I,
• 15:51
  I
• 15:51
  decided
• 15:51
  to,
• 15:51
  quote,
• 15:52
  get
• 15:52
  serious
• 15:52
  about
• 15:52
  life
• 15:53
  and
• 15:53
  I
• 15:53
  became
• 15:53
  a
• 15:54
  journalist
• 15:54
  in
• 15:54
  New
• 15:54
  York.
• 15:55
  And
• 15:56
  so,
• 15:57
  but
• 15:57
  I,
• 15:58
  yeah,
• 15:58
  I've
• 15:58
  been,
• 15:58
  you
• 15:59
  know,
• 15:59
  living
• 15:59
  on
• 15:59
  my
• 15:59
  boat
• 15:59
  for
• 16:00
  the
• 16:00
  last
• 16:00
  20
• 16:00
  years
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  working
• 16:01
  as
• 16:01
  a.
• 16:01
  So
• 16:01
  not
• 16:02
  only
• 16:02
  living
• 16:02
  my
• 16:02
  boat,
• 16:02
  but
• 16:03
  working
• 16:03
  as
• 16:03
  a
• 16:03
  private
• 16:03
  yacht
• 16:04
  captain.
• 16:04
  So
• 16:04
  I
• 16:04
  would
• 16:05
  have
• 16:05
  like
• 16:06
  six
• 16:06
  months
• 16:06
  on,
• 16:06
  you
• 16:07
  know,
• 16:07
  working
• 16:07
  and
• 16:07
  then
• 16:08
  six
• 16:08
  months
• 16:08
  off
• 16:08
  when
• 16:08
  I
• 16:08
  would
• 16:09
  live
• 16:09
  on
• 16:09
  my
• 16:09
  own
• 16:09
  boat.
• 16:10
  And
• 16:12
  it
• 16:13
  being
• 16:13
  on
• 16:13
  the
• 16:13
  ocean,
• 16:15
  first
• 16:15
  of
• 16:15
  all,
• 16:15
  if
• 16:15
  you
• 16:16
  go
• 16:16
  out
• 16:16
  and
• 16:16
  you
• 16:16
  go
• 16:16
  beyond
• 16:17
  sight
• 16:17
  of
• 16:17
  land,
• 16:19
  I
• 16:19
  mean,
• 16:19
  talk
• 16:19
  about
• 16:19
  the
• 16:20
  vastness
• 16:21
  of
• 16:22
  the
• 16:22
  world
• 16:23
  and
• 16:24
  a
• 16:24
  lot
• 16:24
  of
• 16:24
  people
• 16:24
  get
• 16:25
  freaked
• 16:25
  out
• 16:25
  by
• 16:25
  it
• 16:25
  because
• 16:26
  they
• 16:26
  just,
• 16:26
  they've
• 16:26
  never
• 16:27
  experienced
• 16:27
  that
• 16:28
  before.
• 16:28
  But
• 16:28
  if
• 16:28
  you're
• 16:28
  out
• 16:29
  and,
• 16:30
  and
• 16:30
  the
• 16:30
  ocean
• 16:30
  can
• 16:30
  be
• 16:31
  beautiful
• 16:31
  and
• 16:31
  calm
• 16:32
  or
• 16:32
  it
• 16:32
  can
• 16:32
  be
• 16:32
  nasty
• 16:33
  and
• 16:33
  rough
• 16:33
  and
• 16:33
  Everything
• 16:34
  in
• 16:34
  between.
• 16:34
  And
• 16:35
  it's
• 16:35
  really
• 16:35
  a
• 16:35
  metaphor
• 16:36
  for
• 16:36
  life
• 16:36
  in
• 16:36
  that
• 16:37
  way.
• 16:38
  You
• 16:38
  know,
• 16:38
  our
• 16:38
  minds
• 16:38
  are
• 16:39
  not
• 16:39
  always
• 16:39
  calm.
• 16:39
  Sometimes
• 16:40
  our
• 16:40
  minds
• 16:40
  are
• 16:40
  riled
• 16:41
  up
• 16:42
  and.
• 16:42
  And,
• 16:43
  you
• 16:43
  know,
• 16:43
  even
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  greatest
• 16:45
  masters
• 16:46
  sometimes
• 16:46
  get.
• 16:47
  You
• 16:47
  know,
• 16:48
  I
• 16:48
  mean,
• 16:48
  Peter
• 16:48
  said
• 16:49
  to
• 16:49
  me,
• 16:49
  he's
• 16:49
  like,
• 16:49
  yeah,
• 16:49
  sometimes,
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  know,
• 16:50
  I.
• 16:51
  I
• 16:51
  get
• 16:51
  angry
• 16:52
  or
• 16:52
  I
• 16:52
  get
• 16:52
  riled.
• 16:52
  Thich
• 16:53
  Nhat
• 16:53
  Hanh
• 16:53
  used
• 16:53
  to
• 16:53
  say,
• 16:54
  you
• 16:54
  know,
• 16:54
  embrace
• 16:55
  your
• 16:55
  anger.
• 16:55
  Like,
• 16:56
  give
• 16:56
  it
• 16:56
  a
• 16:56
  big
• 16:56
  hug.
• 16:57
  Yeah.
• 16:57
  So.
• 16:58
  So
• 16:58
  the
• 16:59
  ocean,
• 16:59
  for
• 16:59
  me
• 17:01
  is.
• 17:01
  Is
• 17:02
  very
• 17:02
  much
• 17:02
  a
• 17:02
  metaphor
• 17:03
  for
• 17:03
  mind,
• 17:03
  a
• 17:04
  metaphor
• 17:04
  for
• 17:04
  life.
• 17:05
  And
• 17:05
  it's.
• 17:06
  And
• 17:06
  it's
• 17:06
  incredibly
• 17:06
  beautiful,
• 17:07
  and
• 17:07
  it
• 17:07
  does
• 17:07
  give
• 17:08
  you
• 17:08
  lots
• 17:08
  of
• 17:09
  quiet
• 17:10
  time
• 17:10
  that
• 17:10
  we
• 17:10
  don't
• 17:10
  get
• 17:10
  when
• 17:11
  we
• 17:11
  live
• 17:11
  in
• 17:11
  cities.
• 17:11
  You
• 17:11
  know,
• 17:12
  I
• 17:12
  lived
• 17:12
  in
• 17:12
  Manhattan
• 17:12
  when
• 17:12
  I
• 17:12
  was
• 17:13
  a
• 17:13
  journalist,
• 17:13
  and
• 17:13
  I
• 17:13
  can
• 17:14
  tell
• 17:14
  you
• 17:14
  that's.
• 17:15
  That's
• 17:15
  very
• 17:15
  different
• 17:16
  than
• 17:16
  living
• 17:17
  on
• 17:17
  a
• 17:17
  boat
• 17:17
  on
• 17:17
  the
• 17:17
  ocean.
• 17:18
  And
• 17:19
  it
• 17:19
  just
• 17:19
  gives
• 17:19
  you
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  opportunity
• 17:20
  to
• 17:21
  really
• 17:22
  calm
• 17:23
  and
• 17:23
  get
• 17:23
  rid
• 17:24
  of
• 17:24
  distractions
• 17:25
  and
• 17:25
  cell
• 17:26
  phones
• 17:26
  ringing
• 17:26
  and
• 17:26
  emails
• 17:28
  going
• 17:28
  off
• 17:28
  and.
• 17:28
  And
• 17:29
  all
• 17:29
  that
• 17:29
  sort
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  stuff.
• 17:30
  So
• 17:30
  it's.
• 17:30
  It's
• 17:30
  a.
• 17:31
  And
• 17:31
  it
• 17:31
  puts
• 17:31
  you
• 17:31
  in
• 17:31
  touch
• 17:32
  with
• 17:32
  nature.
• 17:32
  Much
• 17:32
  of
• 17:33
  Zen
• 17:34
  is
• 17:35
  about
• 17:35
  nature.
• 17:35
  You
• 17:36
  know,
• 17:36
  I
• 17:36
  mean,
• 17:36
  probably
• 17:36
  that's
• 17:37
  because
• 17:37
  a
• 17:38
  thousand
• 17:38
  years
• 17:38
  ago,
• 17:38
  that's
• 17:39
  what
• 17:39
  you
• 17:39
  had.
• 17:39
  You
• 17:39
  didn't
• 17:39
  have
• 17:40
  computers
• 17:40
  and
• 17:40
  technology,
• 17:41
  so
• 17:41
  they
• 17:41
  used
• 17:41
  nature
• 17:42
  as
• 17:42
  metaphor
• 17:43
  and
• 17:43
  as
• 17:43
  a
• 17:43
  teaching
• 17:43
  aid.
• 17:45
  But
• 17:45
  it's
• 17:45
  also.
• 17:46
  Our
• 17:46
  connection
• 17:47
  with
• 17:47
  nature
• 17:47
  is
• 17:48
  really
• 17:48
  important.
• 17:48
  It's
• 17:49
  who
• 17:49
  we
• 17:49
  are
• 17:49
  as
• 17:49
  humans.
• 17:51
  And
• 17:51
  our
• 17:52
  humanness,
• 17:52
  you
• 17:53
  know,
• 17:53
  is
• 17:53
  really.
• 17:54
  That
• 17:55
  connection
• 17:55
  is
• 17:55
  really
• 17:56
  deep.
• 17:57
  Yeah.
• 17:58
  Our
• 17:58
  kindness
• 17:58
  toward
• 17:59
  ourself.
• 18:00
  So.
• 18:03
  Yeah.
• 18:04
  So
• 18:05
  your
• 18:05
  thoughts,
• 18:05
  Adam?
• 18:07
  I
• 18:08
  do
• 18:09
  remember
• 18:10
  a
• 18:10
  couple
• 18:10
  times
• 18:11
  where,
• 18:12
  you
• 18:13
  know,
• 18:13
  either
• 18:13
  through
• 18:13
  personal
• 18:15
  tragedy
• 18:15
  or
• 18:16
  global
• 18:17
  tragedy,
• 18:17
  going
• 18:18
  out
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  the
• 18:18
  ocean
• 18:18
  just
• 18:18
  felt
• 18:19
  so
• 18:19
  therapeutic,
• 18:22
  I
• 18:22
  think,
• 18:22
  recently,
• 18:23
  you
• 18:23
  know,
• 18:23
  with
• 18:24
  kind
• 18:25
  of
• 18:25
  national
• 18:25
  and
• 18:26
  global
• 18:26
  events,
• 18:27
  you
• 18:27
  know,
• 18:27
  around.
• 18:28
  Around
• 18:28
  about
• 18:28
  six
• 18:29
  months
• 18:29
  ago
• 18:29
  or
• 18:29
  so,
• 18:30
  kicking
• 18:31
  up.
• 18:31
  I
• 18:31
  remember
• 18:31
  going
• 18:31
  to
• 18:32
  the
• 18:32
  ocean
• 18:32
  and
• 18:32
  being
• 18:33
  like,
• 18:33
  you
• 18:33
  know,
• 18:33
  what's
• 18:34
  going
• 18:34
  to
• 18:34
  happen
• 18:34
  here?
• 18:34
  And
• 18:35
  just,
• 18:35
  okay,
• 18:35
  this.
• 18:36
  This.
• 18:36
  This
• 18:36
  place
• 18:36
  has
• 18:37
  been
• 18:37
  around
• 18:37
  for
• 18:37
  a
• 18:37
  long
• 18:38
  time.
• 18:38
  This
• 18:38
  place
• 18:39
  has
• 18:39
  seen
• 18:39
  a
• 18:39
  lot
• 18:39
  of
• 18:39
  different
• 18:40
  stuff
• 18:40
  come
• 18:40
  and
• 18:40
  go.
• 18:41
  So,
• 18:41
  you
• 18:41
  know,
• 18:42
  we.
• 18:43
  We're
• 18:43
  gonna
• 18:43
  be
• 18:43
  okay,
• 18:44
  you
• 18:44
  know,
• 18:44
  And.
• 18:44
  And
• 18:45
  we.
• 18:45
  I
• 18:45
  think
• 18:46
  you
• 18:46
  have
• 18:46
  a
• 18:46
  sense
• 18:46
  of
• 18:46
  this
• 18:46
  lead
• 18:47
  through
• 18:48
  the
• 18:48
  tradition.
• 18:49
  Because,
• 18:50
  Anthony,
• 18:51
  I've
• 18:51
  talked
• 18:51
  a
• 18:51
  few
• 18:51
  times
• 18:51
  on
• 18:51
  this
• 18:52
  show
• 18:52
  about
• 18:52
  how
• 18:53
  in
• 18:53
  Chinese
• 18:53
  philosophy,
• 18:54
  they've
• 18:55
  seen
• 18:55
  this
• 18:55
  all
• 18:55
  before.
• 18:56
  They've
• 18:56
  had
• 18:57
  terrible
• 18:57
  tyrants.
• 18:58
  They've
• 18:58
  seen
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  ups
• 18:59
  and
• 18:59
  downs
• 18:59
  of
• 18:59
  society.
• 19:00
  So
• 19:01
  could
• 19:01
  you
• 19:01
  say
• 19:01
  a
• 19:02
  little
• 19:02
  more
• 19:02
  about
• 19:02
  how
• 19:03
  your.
• 19:05
  I
• 19:05
  want
• 19:05
  to
• 19:05
  call
• 19:06
  it
• 19:06
  your
• 19:06
  lineage
• 19:07
  and
• 19:08
  the
• 19:08
  tradition,
• 19:09
  maybe
• 19:10
  that.
• 19:10
  Does
• 19:10
  that
• 19:10
  give
• 19:10
  you
• 19:11
  a
• 19:11
  sense
• 19:11
  of
• 19:11
  vastness
• 19:12
  as
• 19:12
  well,
• 19:13
  going
• 19:13
  back
• 19:13
  in
• 19:14
  time?
• 19:15
  Yeah,
• 19:15
  absolutely.
• 19:15
  That
• 19:16
  idea
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  lineage
• 19:17
  is
• 19:17
  so
• 19:17
  key.
• 19:18
  To
• 19:21
  Zen
• 19:22
  and
• 19:23
  many
• 19:24
  Zen
• 19:24
  centers,
• 19:25
  you
• 19:25
  chant
• 19:25
  the
• 19:25
  lineage
• 19:27
  during
• 19:27
  service
• 19:28
  and
• 19:28
  you
• 19:28
  go
• 19:29
  on
• 19:29
  and
• 19:29
  on.
• 19:29
  You
• 19:29
  chant,
• 19:30
  you
• 19:30
  know,
• 19:30
  a
• 19:30
  lot
• 19:30
  of
• 19:30
  names
• 19:31
  in
• 19:31
  different
• 19:31
  zone
• 19:31
  centers,
• 19:33
  chant
• 19:33
  more
• 19:34
  names
• 19:34
  than
• 19:34
  others.
• 19:34
  And
• 19:35
  you
• 19:35
  know,
• 19:35
  some
• 19:35
  truncate
• 19:36
  a
• 19:36
  little
• 19:36
  bit
• 19:36
  because
• 19:36
  it
• 19:36
  could
• 19:36
  go
• 19:36
  on
• 19:37
  forever.
• 19:38
  But
• 19:39
  that
• 19:39
  idea.
• 19:40
  Yeah,
• 19:41
  that
• 19:41
  idea
• 19:41
  that
• 19:41
  you're
• 19:42
  part
• 19:42
  of
• 19:42
  something
• 19:44
  ancient
• 19:44
  and
• 19:44
  something
• 19:45
  bigger
• 19:45
  than
• 19:45
  yourself
• 19:46
  and
• 19:46
  something
• 19:46
  that's,
• 19:47
  that's
• 19:47
  withstood
• 19:47
  the
• 19:47
  test
• 19:48
  of
• 19:48
  time.
• 19:48
  I,
• 19:50
  you
• 19:50
  know,
• 19:50
  there's
• 19:50
  a
• 19:50
  lot
• 19:50
  of
• 19:51
  fads
• 19:51
  out
• 19:51
  there
• 19:51
  and
• 19:51
  there
• 19:52
  have
• 19:52
  been
• 19:52
  fads
• 19:52
  for
• 19:53
  thousands
• 19:53
  of
• 19:53
  years.
• 19:54
  Right.
• 19:54
  And,
• 19:55
  and
• 19:55
  so
• 19:55
  for
• 19:55
  something
• 19:56
  to
• 19:56
  withstand
• 19:56
  the
• 19:57
  test
• 19:57
  of
• 19:57
  time
• 19:57
  and
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  be
• 19:58
  useful
• 19:58
  to
• 19:58
  that
• 19:59
  many
• 19:59
  people
• 20:00
  really
• 20:01
  is
• 20:01
  important
• 20:02
  to
• 20:02
  me.
• 20:02
  Absolutely.
• 20:03
  I
• 20:03
  think
• 20:03
  that's
• 20:04
  key.
• 20:05
  That's
• 20:06
  really
• 20:06
  nice.
• 20:06
  And
• 20:06
  you
• 20:06
  know,
• 20:07
  going
• 20:07
  back
• 20:07
  to
• 20:07
  one
• 20:08
  Zen
• 20:10
  piece,
• 20:11
  one
• 20:11
  Zen
• 20:11
  work,
• 20:12
  the
• 20:12
  record
• 20:12
  of
• 20:12
  transmission
• 20:12
  of
• 20:13
  the
• 20:13
  lamp
• 20:13
  and
• 20:13
  going
• 20:14
  all
• 20:14
  the
• 20:14
  way
• 20:14
  back
• 20:14
  to
• 20:14
  Buddha
• 20:15
  and
• 20:15
  talking
• 20:15
  about
• 20:15
  how
• 20:15
  the,
• 20:16
  the
• 20:16
  enlightenment
• 20:17
  has
• 20:17
  passed
• 20:17
  from
• 20:17
  generation
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  generation,
• 20:18
  I
• 20:19
  think
• 20:19
  also
• 20:20
  enlivens
• 20:21
  what
• 20:21
  you're
• 20:21
  mentioning
• 20:21
  there.
• 20:21
  I
• 20:22
  wonder
• 20:22
  if
• 20:22
  some
• 20:22
  of
• 20:22
  the
• 20:22
  Zen
• 20:22
  centers
• 20:23
  even
• 20:23
  go
• 20:23
  back
• 20:23
  that
• 20:24
  far
• 20:24
  with
• 20:25
  their
• 20:25
  enchanting.
• 20:26
  I
• 20:26
  remember
• 20:27
  when
• 20:27
  I
• 20:27
  first
• 20:27
  started
• 20:28
  studying
• 20:28
  being
• 20:28
  amazed
• 20:29
  that
• 20:29
  there
• 20:29
  were
• 20:30
  previous
• 20:30
  Buddhas.
• 20:31
  Oh
• 20:31
  yeah.
• 20:31
  Like,
• 20:32
  you
• 20:32
  know,
• 20:32
  like
• 20:32
  I
• 20:32
  thought
• 20:33
  it
• 20:33
  would
• 20:33
  go
• 20:33
  back
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  Buddha
• 20:34
  and
• 20:34
  stop.
• 20:34
  And
• 20:34
  then
• 20:34
  I
• 20:35
  learned
• 20:35
  like,
• 20:35
  oh,
• 20:36
  the
• 20:36
  Buddha
• 20:36
  said
• 20:36
  there
• 20:36
  were
• 20:37
  people
• 20:37
  before
• 20:37
  him.
• 20:37
  Yeah,
• 20:38
  he's
• 20:38
  the,
• 20:38
  he's
• 20:39
  the
• 20:39
  main
• 20:39
  one
• 20:39
  we
• 20:39
  talk
• 20:40
  about
• 20:40
  and
• 20:40
  study
• 20:40
  now.
• 20:41
  But
• 20:41
  you
• 20:41
  know,
• 20:41
  it
• 20:42
  goes
• 20:42
  back
• 20:42
  even,
• 20:42
  even
• 20:43
  farther.
• 20:43
  So.
• 20:44
  Right,
• 20:44
  good
• 20:44
  point.
• 20:45
  Yeah.
• 20:45
  One
• 20:45
  of
• 20:45
  the
• 20:46
  things
• 20:46
  that
• 20:47
  I've
• 20:47
  studied
• 20:47
  Alan
• 20:48
  Watts
• 20:48
  quite
• 20:48
  a
• 20:49
  lot
• 20:49
  and
• 20:49
  am
• 20:50
  actually
• 20:50
  still
• 20:50
  broadcasting
• 20:51
  Alan
• 20:51
  Watts
• 20:52
  on
• 20:52
  kwmr.
• 20:53
  And
• 20:54
  Alan
• 20:54
  would,
• 20:54
  would
• 20:55
  talk
• 20:55
  about
• 20:56
  how
• 20:56
  different
• 20:56
  gurus
• 20:57
  would
• 20:57
  come
• 20:57
  up
• 20:58
  to
• 20:58
  him
• 20:58
  and,
• 20:58
  and
• 20:59
  ask
• 20:59
  him,
• 21:00
  you
• 21:00
  know,
• 21:00
  say
• 21:00
  that
• 21:01
  oh,
• 21:01
  you
• 21:01
  should
• 21:01
  study
• 21:02
  with
• 21:02
  me,
• 21:02
  you
• 21:02
  know.
• 21:03
  And
• 21:04
  he,
• 21:04
  his
• 21:04
  reply
• 21:05
  was
• 21:05
  who
• 21:06
  was
• 21:06
  Buddhist
• 21:06
  teacher.
• 21:09
  So
• 21:09
  you
• 21:10
  know,
• 21:10
  it's
• 21:10
  this
• 21:10
  idea
• 21:11
  of
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  awakening.
• 21:12
  And
• 21:13
  you
• 21:13
  know,
• 21:13
  I
• 21:13
  think
• 21:14
  also
• 21:15
  about
• 21:17
  it,
• 21:18
  it's
• 21:18
  been
• 21:18
  really
• 21:19
  actually
• 21:20
  since
• 21:20
  COVID
• 21:22
  how
• 21:23
  the
• 21:24
  metal
• 21:25
  affect
• 21:25
  of
• 21:26
  many
• 21:26
  of
• 21:26
  my
• 21:27
  students,
• 21:27
  the
• 21:27
  18,
• 21:28
  19
• 21:28
  year
• 21:28
  old,
• 21:28
  20
• 21:29
  year
• 21:29
  old
• 21:29
  people
• 21:30
  are.
• 21:31
  It's
• 21:31
  really
• 21:31
  low.
• 21:32
  And
• 21:32
  part
• 21:32
  of
• 21:33
  it
• 21:33
  is
• 21:33
  because
• 21:33
  they
• 21:34
  get
• 21:34
  stuck
• 21:35
  in
• 21:35
  the
• 21:35
  phone
• 21:36
  and
• 21:38
  it's,
• 21:38
  it's
• 21:38
  a.
• 21:41
  And
• 21:41
  I
• 21:41
  have
• 21:41
  such
• 21:41
  great
• 21:42
  compassion.
• 21:42
  And
• 21:42
  one
• 21:42
  of
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  things
• 21:43
  is
• 21:44
  again,
• 21:44
  I,
• 21:44
  and
• 21:44
  I
• 21:45
  know
• 21:45
  you
• 21:45
  do
• 21:45
  this
• 21:45
  and
• 21:45
  I've
• 21:45
  been
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  your
• 21:46
  classes,
• 21:46
  Adam.
• 21:46
  You
• 21:47
  hold
• 21:47
  space
• 21:48
  for
• 21:48
  these
• 21:48
  people
• 21:48
  to
• 21:49
  come
• 21:49
  out.
• 21:51
  How
• 21:51
  do
• 21:51
  we
• 21:51
  invite
• 21:52
  young
• 21:53
  people
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  mindfulness?
• 21:57
  So
• 21:58
  I
• 21:58
  think
• 21:59
  there
• 21:59
  are
• 21:59
  a
• 21:59
  number
• 21:59
  of
• 22:00
  ways.
• 22:00
  First,
• 22:00
  we
• 22:00
  lead
• 22:01
  by
• 22:01
  example.
• 22:02
  And
• 22:03
  I
• 22:03
  will
• 22:03
  tell
• 22:04
  you
• 22:04
  so
• 22:05
  I'm
• 22:06
  divorced
• 22:06
  and
• 22:07
  it
• 22:07
  was
• 22:07
  not
• 22:07
  an
• 22:08
  easy
• 22:08
  divorce.
• 22:09
  I
• 22:09
  always
• 22:09
  Envy
• 22:09
  these
• 22:10
  people
• 22:10
  that
• 22:10
  I
• 22:10
  hear
• 22:10
  have
• 22:10
  good
• 22:11
  divorces.
• 22:11
  I'm
• 22:12
  like,
• 22:12
  okay,
• 22:14
  but
• 22:14
  so
• 22:15
  my
• 22:15
  kids
• 22:15
  and
• 22:16
  I
• 22:16
  have
• 22:16
  two
• 22:16
  sons
• 22:17
  who
• 22:17
  are
• 22:17
  now
• 22:17
  32
• 22:17
  and
• 22:18
  28.
• 22:19
  And
• 22:20
  throughout
• 22:21
  that
• 22:21
  whole
• 22:21
  process,
• 22:22
  and
• 22:23
  that
• 22:23
  is,
• 22:24
  this
• 22:24
  was
• 22:24
  25
• 22:25
  years
• 22:25
  ago
• 22:26
  now,
• 22:27
  but
• 22:28
  it's
• 22:28
  a
• 22:28
  process
• 22:28
  that's
• 22:29
  detailed
• 22:29
  in
• 22:29
  my
• 22:29
  first
• 22:30
  book,
• 22:30
  Passage
• 22:31
  to
• 22:31
  Nirvana.
• 22:32
  And,
• 22:32
  and
• 22:33
  I
• 22:33
  just
• 22:33
  always,
• 22:34
  I
• 22:34
  was
• 22:34
  studying
• 22:35
  with
• 22:35
  Peter
• 22:35
  at
• 22:35
  that
• 22:35
  time
• 22:36
  and
• 22:38
  I
• 22:38
  just,
• 22:38
  you
• 22:39
  know,
• 22:39
  took
• 22:39
  the
• 22:40
  high
• 22:40
  road
• 22:40
  and,
• 22:40
  and
• 22:41
  was
• 22:41
  the
• 22:41
  best
• 22:41
  person
• 22:41
  I
• 22:42
  could
• 22:42
  be.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:42
  led
• 22:42
  by
• 22:42
  example
• 22:43
  and
• 22:43
  led,
• 22:43
  you
• 22:43
  know,
• 22:44
  my
• 22:44
  mindfulness,
• 22:44
  figuring
• 22:45
  that
• 22:45
  my
• 22:45
  kids
• 22:46
  would
• 22:46
  pick
• 22:47
  up
• 22:47
  on
• 22:47
  it
• 22:47
  without
• 22:47
  trying
• 22:48
  to,
• 22:49
  you
• 22:49
  know,
• 22:50
  pound
• 22:50
  it
• 22:50
  into
• 22:51
  them
• 22:51
  or
• 22:51
  say,
• 22:51
  you
• 22:51
  gotta
• 22:52
  do
• 22:52
  this
• 22:52
  or
• 22:52
  whatever.
• 22:52
  It's
• 22:53
  just
• 22:53
  like,
• 22:53
  and
• 22:54
  really
• 22:55
  funny.
• 22:55
  My
• 22:55
  son
• 22:56
  is
• 22:56
  right
• 22:56
  now
• 22:57
  In
• 22:57
  Thailand,
• 22:59
  my
• 22:59
  32
• 22:59
  year
• 22:59
  old
• 23:00
  son,
• 23:00
  he's
• 23:00
  a,
• 23:00
  he's
• 23:01
  a
• 23:01
  CAHAMERAMAN
• 23:02
  on
• 23:02
  the
• 23:02
  TV
• 23:02
  show
• 23:03
  Survivor.
• 23:04
  And
• 23:04
  so
• 23:04
  he
• 23:05
  gets
• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
  winner
• 23:05
  off
• 23:06
  because
• 23:06
  he
• 23:06
  works
• 23:07
  like
• 23:07
  crazy
• 23:07
  on
• 23:07
  that
• 23:08
  show
• 23:08
  and
• 23:08
  then
• 23:08
  he
• 23:08
  gets
• 23:08
  some
• 23:08
  months
• 23:09
  off.
• 23:10
  So
• 23:10
  he's
• 23:10
  traveling
• 23:10
  in
• 23:10
  Thailand.
• 23:11
  And
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  my
• 23:12
  amazement,
• 23:13
  he
• 23:13
  sent
• 23:14
  me
• 23:14
  a,
• 23:16
  he
• 23:16
  sent
• 23:16
  me
• 23:17
  a
• 23:17
  text
• 23:17
  that
• 23:17
  he
• 23:17
  was
• 23:18
  going
• 23:18
  into
• 23:18
  a
• 23:18
  monastery
• 23:19
  for
• 23:19
  a
• 23:19
  week
• 23:19
  in
• 23:19
  Thailand.
• 23:21
  And
• 23:21
  I
• 23:21
  was
• 23:21
  like,
• 23:22
  cool.
• 23:22
  Oh,
• 23:23
  okay,
• 23:25
  cool.
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  mean,
• 23:25
  he,
• 23:25
  you
• 23:25
  know,
• 23:26
  he'd
• 23:26
  always
• 23:26
  acknowledged
• 23:27
  my
• 23:27
  practice
• 23:27
  and,
• 23:28
  and
• 23:28
  he'd
• 23:28
  given
• 23:28
  me
• 23:29
  some
• 23:29
  little
• 23:29
  Buddhas,
• 23:30
  you
• 23:30
  know,
• 23:30
  his
• 23:30
  presence
• 23:31
  sometimes
• 23:31
  and
• 23:31
  stuff.
• 23:31
  So.
• 23:32
  But
• 23:32
  he'd
• 23:33
  never
• 23:33
  expressed
• 23:33
  like
• 23:34
  an
• 23:34
  interest
• 23:35
  and
• 23:36
  he
• 23:36
  loved
• 23:36
  the
• 23:36
  fact
• 23:36
  that
• 23:37
  they
• 23:37
  made
• 23:37
  him
• 23:37
  give
• 23:37
  up
• 23:37
  his
• 23:38
  cell
• 23:38
  phone
• 23:38
  for
• 23:38
  a
• 23:38
  week.
• 23:40
  So,
• 23:41
  you
• 23:41
  know,
• 23:42
  you
• 23:42
  just
• 23:42
  never
• 23:43
  know
• 23:43
  what
• 23:44
  your
• 23:44
  own,
• 23:46
  you
• 23:46
  know,
• 23:46
  practice,
• 23:47
  how
• 23:47
  it
• 23:47
  will
• 23:47
  rub
• 23:47
  off
• 23:48
  on
• 23:48
  other
• 23:48
  people.
• 23:48
  So
• 23:49
  that's
• 23:49
  one
• 23:49
  thing
• 23:49
  you
• 23:49
  could
• 23:49
  do
• 23:49
  and
• 23:50
  the
• 23:50
  second
• 23:50
  thing
• 23:50
  you
• 23:50
  could
• 23:50
  do.
• 23:51
  You
• 23:51
  can
• 23:51
  be
• 23:51
  more
• 23:51
  active.
• 23:51
  I
• 23:52
  am,
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  am
• 23:52
  giving
• 23:52
  a
• 23:53
  talk
• 23:53
  in
• 23:54
  March,
• 23:55
  middle
• 23:55
  of
• 23:55
  March,
• 23:57
  at
• 23:57
  a
• 23:58
  very
• 23:58
  prestigious
• 23:59
  private
• 23:59
  school
• 24:00
  where
• 24:00
  they
• 24:01
  have
• 24:02
  recently
• 24:03
  banned
• 24:03
  cell
• 24:04
  phones
• 24:04
  from
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  campus.
• 24:06
  I
• 24:07
  have
• 24:07
  to
• 24:07
  find
• 24:07
  out
• 24:07
  more
• 24:07
  about
• 24:07
  that.
• 24:07
  I'm
• 24:08
  not
• 24:08
  sure
• 24:08
  if
• 24:08
  it's
• 24:08
  classes
• 24:08
  or
• 24:09
  the
• 24:09
  whole
• 24:09
  campus
• 24:09
  or
• 24:09
  what.
• 24:11
  And
• 24:11
  there's
• 24:11
  a
• 24:12
  lot
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  uproar
• 24:12
  over
• 24:12
  that,
• 24:12
  as
• 24:13
  you
• 24:13
  can
• 24:13
  imagine.
• 24:13
  Sure.
• 24:15
  But
• 24:15
  I'm
• 24:16
  giving
• 24:16
  a
• 24:16
  talk
• 24:16
  on
• 24:18
  mindfulness
• 24:19
  and
• 24:19
  humanness
• 24:21
  and
• 24:21
  what
• 24:21
  it's
• 24:21
  like
• 24:22
  to,
• 24:23
  to
• 24:24
  use
• 24:24
  our
• 24:24
  ancient
• 24:25
  selves
• 24:25
  and
• 24:26
  our
• 24:26
  ancient
• 24:26
  wisdom
• 24:27
  and,
• 24:27
  and
• 24:28
  how
• 24:28
  that's
• 24:28
  very
• 24:29
  different
• 24:29
  than,
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  know,
• 24:30
  how
• 24:30
  we
• 24:31
  use
• 24:31
  cell
• 24:31
  phones.
• 24:31
  And,
• 24:32
  and
• 24:32
  I'm
• 24:32
  not
• 24:32
  a
• 24:32
  Luddite,
• 24:33
  I'm
• 24:33
  not
• 24:33
  against
• 24:33
  technology.
• 24:34
  I
• 24:34
  used
• 24:34
  to
• 24:35
  be
• 24:35
  editor
• 24:35
  in
• 24:35
  chief
• 24:35
  of
• 24:35
  a
• 24:36
  physics
• 24:36
  magazine.
• 24:36
  Editor
• 24:36
  chief
• 24:37
  of
• 24:37
  a
• 24:37
  computer
• 24:37
  magazine.
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  mean,
• 24:38
  I
• 24:38
  think,
• 24:39
  you
• 24:39
  know,
• 24:39
  I
• 24:39
  think
• 24:39
  technology
• 24:40
  can
• 24:40
  do
• 24:40
  some
• 24:40
  good
• 24:40
  things.
• 24:41
  So,
• 24:42
  so
• 24:42
  I'm
• 24:42
  not
• 24:42
  going
• 24:42
  in
• 24:42
  to
• 24:43
  go.
• 24:43
  Oh
• 24:43
  yeah,
• 24:43
  you
• 24:44
  know,
• 24:44
  get
• 24:44
  rid
• 24:44
  of
• 24:44
  those
• 24:44
  cell
• 24:44
  Phones,
• 24:45
  they're
• 24:45
  terrible.
• 24:46
  But
• 24:47
  I
• 24:47
  am
• 24:47
  going
• 24:47
  in
• 24:47
  there
• 24:48
  to
• 24:48
  teach
• 24:49
  in
• 24:49
  a
• 24:49
  way
• 24:50
  that,
• 24:50
  you
• 24:51
  know,
• 24:51
  I'm
• 24:51
  speaking
• 24:52
  to
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  whole
• 24:52
  school
• 24:53
  in
• 24:54
  an
• 24:54
  auditorium
• 24:55
  setting
• 24:55
  and,
• 24:55
  and
• 24:56
  I'm
• 24:56
  going
• 24:56
  to
• 24:56
  talk
• 24:56
  for
• 24:57
  an
• 24:57
  hour
• 24:57
  about
• 24:58
  Zen
• 24:59
  and
• 24:59
  about
• 24:59
  mindfulness.
• 25:00
  I'm
• 25:00
  not
• 25:00
  going
• 25:00
  to
• 25:00
  try
• 25:00
  to
• 25:01
  make
• 25:01
  it
• 25:01
  too
• 25:01
  Zen,
• 25:02
  too
• 25:02
  woo
• 25:02
  woo,
• 25:02
  because,
• 25:03
  you
• 25:03
  know,
• 25:04
  but
• 25:04
  it's
• 25:04
  more
• 25:04
  like
• 25:05
  so,
• 25:06
  so
• 25:06
  that's
• 25:06
  another
• 25:06
  thing
• 25:06
  we
• 25:07
  can
• 25:07
  do.
• 25:07
  We
• 25:07
  can
• 25:07
  teach
• 25:07
  our
• 25:07
  children.
• 25:08
  You
• 25:08
  know,
• 25:08
  we
• 25:08
  can
• 25:09
  teach
• 25:09
  our
• 25:09
  children,
• 25:09
  we
• 25:09
  can
• 25:10
  teach
• 25:10
  other
• 25:10
  people's
• 25:10
  children.
• 25:11
  We
• 25:11
  can,
• 25:11
  we.
• 25:12
  And,
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  this
• 25:12
  almost
• 25:13
  goes
• 25:13
  back
• 25:13
  to
• 25:13
  what
• 25:13
  we
• 25:13
  were
• 25:14
  talking
• 25:14
  about
• 25:14
  in
• 25:14
  the
• 25:14
  beginning
• 25:14
  about
• 25:15
  what
• 25:15
  do
• 25:15
  we
• 25:15
  do
• 25:15
  in
• 25:15
  the
• 25:16
  face
• 25:16
  of,
• 25:18
  of
• 25:18
  difficult
• 25:18
  times.
• 25:19
  We
• 25:20
  teach.
• 25:20
  You
• 25:20
  know,
• 25:21
  we,
• 25:21
  we
• 25:22
  don't,
• 25:22
  we
• 25:22
  don't
• 25:22
  retreat
• 25:23
  into
• 25:23
  our,
• 25:23
  I
• 25:23
  mean,
• 25:24
  some
• 25:24
  people,
• 25:24
  that's
• 25:24
  fine.
• 25:24
  You
• 25:25
  want
• 25:25
  to
• 25:25
  retreat
• 25:25
  onto
• 25:25
  your
• 25:26
  black
• 25:26
  cushion.
• 25:27
  I
• 25:27
  do
• 25:27
  it
• 25:27
  every
• 25:27
  day.
• 25:28
  But
• 25:28
  I
• 25:28
  also
• 25:29
  think
• 25:30
  that
• 25:30
  besides
• 25:31
  retreating
• 25:32
  my
• 25:32
  black
• 25:32
  cushion,
• 25:32
  I
• 25:33
  can
• 25:33
  get
• 25:33
  out
• 25:33
  and
• 25:34
  have
• 25:34
  some
• 25:34
  influence,
• 25:35
  hopefully
• 25:36
  in
• 25:36
  the
• 25:36
  world
• 25:36
  and,
• 25:37
  and
• 25:38
  help
• 25:38
  teach
• 25:38
  people,
• 25:38
  whether
• 25:39
  they're
• 25:39
  kids
• 25:39
  or
• 25:39
  adults,
• 25:41
  just
• 25:41
  that
• 25:41
  there's
• 25:42
  a,
• 25:42
  another
• 25:42
  way
• 25:43
  besides
• 25:43
  just
• 25:43
  staring
• 25:44
  your
• 25:44
  cell
• 25:44
  phone
• 25:44
  all
• 25:44
  the
• 25:44
  time.
• 25:45
  Yeah.
• 25:45
  Yeah.
• 25:46
  So
• 25:46
  we
• 25:46
  have
• 25:47
  to
• 25:47
  take
• 25:47
  a
• 25:47
  short
• 25:47
  break.
• 25:47
  I'm
• 25:48
  Anthony
• 25:48
  Wright
• 25:48
  and
• 25:49
  I'm
• 25:49
  co
• 25:49
  host
• 25:49
  today
• 25:50
  on
• 25:50
  the
• 25:50
  Living
• 25:50
  Conversation
• 25:51
  with
• 25:52
  Adam
• 25:52
  Dietz.
• 25:52
  And
• 25:53
  we're
• 25:53
  here
• 25:53
  with
• 25:53
  our
• 25:54
  guest,
• 25:54
  Lee
• 25:55
  Carlson.
• 25:55
  And
• 25:56
  how
• 25:56
  can
• 25:56
  people
• 25:56
  contact
• 25:57
  you,
• 25:57
  Lee?
• 25:58
  So
• 25:58
  best
• 25:59
  way
• 25:59
  is
• 25:59
  to
• 25:59
  go
• 25:59
  to
• 25:59
  my
• 25:59
  website,
• 26:00
  which
• 26:00
  is
• 26:00
  Lee
• 26:00
  Carlson
• 26:01
  Life,
• 26:01
  not
• 26:02
  Lee
• 26:02
  Carlson.com
• 26:03
  but
• 26:03
  Lee
• 26:03
  Carlson
• 26:03
  Life,
• 26:04
  because
• 26:04
  that's
• 26:04
  what
• 26:04
  this
• 26:04
  is
• 26:05
  all
• 26:05
  about.
• 26:05
  Absolutely.
• 26:06
  And
• 26:06
  on
• 26:06
  my
• 26:06
  website
• 26:07
  you
• 26:07
  can
• 26:07
  find
• 26:08
  my
• 26:08
  phone
• 26:08
  number,
• 26:08
  you
• 26:09
  can
• 26:09
  find
• 26:09
  my
• 26:10
  email
• 26:10
  address,
• 26:10
  which
• 26:10
  is
• 26:11
  Lee,
• 26:11
  Lee
• 26:11
  Carlson
• 26:12
  Life.
• 26:13
  You
• 26:13
  can
• 26:13
  find
• 26:14
  my
• 26:14
  Facebook,
• 26:16
  you
• 26:16
  know,
• 26:16
  you
• 26:16
  can
• 26:16
  contact
• 26:17
  me
• 26:17
  that
• 26:17
  way,
• 26:18
  Instagram,
• 26:18
  all
• 26:18
  those,
• 26:19
  all
• 26:19
  those
• 26:19
  good
• 26:19
  things.
• 26:20
  So
• 26:20
  using
• 26:20
  technology
• 26:21
  in
• 26:22
  a
• 26:22
  positive
• 26:22
  way.
• 26:23
  Great.
• 26:24
  All
• 26:24
  right,
• 26:24
  we're
• 26:25
  going
• 26:25
  to
• 26:25
  take
• 26:25
  a
• 26:25
  short
• 26:25
  break
• 26:25
  and
• 26:26
  be
• 26:26
  right
• 26:26
  back,
• 26:26
  so
• 26:27
  stay
• 26:27
  tuned.